Eurofighter Typhoon | The story that the West does not want to tell

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[@SPEARHEADGLOBAL]

Can you make a video on T7 Redhawk?

[@maikbanner7552]

You did not compare the Tornado fighter in the comparison with the other 4th Generation fighters of the 1980s.

[@michaelschmid9567]

About the F35: For those, who have missed it. Even the US Air force cancelled there F35 orders, and buy F22 and F15-EX instead. The F35 (the real product, not the marketing sheet) fail on nearly every thing, or stay behind Gen.4 fighters: Manoeuvrability is bad, bader then the Eurofighter, the Sukoi's, ... It is only stealth without weapons, when its weaponized stealth is gone. It cant travel supersonic, because the frame breaks into peaces. No stealth, no speed, no manoeuvre. They developed a 5-barrel Gettling gun for it, but even with that, it can reach the super-old A10 in the ground attack role. The key reason for the development of the F35 was, that it should replace the super-expensive F22, and ideal also the F15, F16 and A10. After shutting down the F22 production, it was restarted again after is was clear, that the F22 is superior in manoeuvrability and stealth. The A10 production was restarted, after the newly developed 5 barrel Gettling gun never work as expected. The F15 production with new electronics was restarted, after it was clear that the F35 fail in every aspect. Technological, the combo SU-57 (air superiority fighter) and the SU-35(fighter/bomber) is the best on the sky today. Combined with S400/S500, your country is save. For countries, what can not afford it politically(like Turkey, ....), they have to choose a SAAB, F15-EX, sometimes the Eurofigther (but not for Argentine, for example), Chinese, French or Korean models.

[@swunt10]

you lied about the eurofighter program. nobody joined the UK. the UK joined the german project, the eurofighter design was from MBB TKF-90. the EAP demonstrator was an international part of that but since nobody needed the EAP as it later turned out, most of the other demonstrator builds where deleted s only BEA build theirs. so who the fuck gave you the idea that the eurofighter is a british project? it just isn't. the UK failed to develop their own design in the 70's and 80's and the had to join germanys program. that's the real history of the EF.

[@realtalk6195]

Instead of "Middle East" you should have said Arabia or Arabian Peninsula, because that seems to be its only foreign userbase specifically.

[@turningpoint4238]

Had an interesting conversation with a chap very much involved with the development program of the Typhoon. One of the major issues apparently they were having was welding the titanium. But the biggest problem was politicians from the various countries getting in the way.

[@brianfoley4328]

Welding titanium is different than many other metals but that technology has been around for fifty years now.

[@turningpoint4238]

@@brianfoley4328 But that was an issue they were having. Interesting story behind it all and what this person did to help understand it.

[@sebxiou-lifestyle4465]

Politicians - Plus ca change? Cheers!

[@olivierpuyou3621]

I completely agree with you

[@SerBallister]

@@brianfoley4328 Could be more of a tool issue, welding plates on a huge airframe is going to need some specialised tools, I imagine.

[@Gorbyrev]

It is an extraordinary aircraft. The real challenge is that for many nations the F16 is good enough and cheaper.

[@scottwhitley3392]

Tranch 3 and 4 typhoons armed with meteors and Brimstone missiles are as good as F-22 and F-35s. Most counties have early model F-16 which are far behind in terms on senors and radar.

[@nick4506]

@@scottwhitley3392 but an f35 is like 20 million dollars cheaper than a typhoon. f35 is actually cheaper than the grippen.

[@scottwhitley3392]

@@nick4506 It’s cheaper to buy outright. It’s far more expensive to maintain and repair over its lifetime. The Gripen is designed to for ease of maintenance. Normally only about 40-60% of total aircraft are actually in active service the rest are down for maintenance. With the F-35 that number will be at the lower end of the scale. With gripen that number is much higher. You also need to factor in the time it takes for special parts to arrive from the US.

[@nick4506]

@@scottwhitley3392 maybe but the difference is about 10 million dollars. 85ish vs 95ish. that's a lot of extra money that the difference in hourly cost has to pay down to make the grippen worth it. and along with Lockheed's mantince training and all the other closer f35 operators in Europe the shipping time for replacements shouldn't be that bad. there is a reason why most of Europe is going for the f35 and believe me they are taking into account the hourly costs. and tbh the percentage of a fleet that's down for mantince is kinda a secret that countries don't like to give out and we don't know the numbers for the grippen or the f35. you can guess but it means nothing.

[@thetazva]

@@nick4506 only if they purchase the A version of the F-35 and even then the per hr cost of flight time for the F035 is around 35,00o where the Gripen is around 8,000 so I would go with the gripen for sure.

[@lancerhu8107]

A modern fighter with over 600 samples - that’s a success no matter how you look at it.

[@notmenotme614]

How many F-16 have been sold?

[@cjm9700]

@@notmenotme614 What's that got to with fuck all? No one said most successful did they?

[@greva2904]

@@notmenotme614 F-16s aren’t modern fighters, they’re from the 1970’s. They’re massively cheaper and much less capable than a modern 4th or 5th gen fighter

[@getsideways7257]

@@greva2904 You are also forgetting the simple fact that it's the exact BEING from the 1970's that allowed it to reach those numbers in the first place.

[@greva2904]

@@getsideways7257 Yep. And they would be cannon fodder in a modern war against a capable enemy.

[@tonyfendex2558]

I can tell you that I'm American, but, BIG WOW, this plane is perfectly BEAUTIFULL. I love this plane!!!!!

[@r.specht6790]

That's all I thought in the first minutes

[@stevenmacdonald9619]

The Typhoon is the most manoeuvrable fighter jet in the world. So much so, that it is impossible to fly without computers. It is technically not aerodynamic enough to stay in the sky by pilot alone, and would constantly stall. Thousands of automatic adjustments are needed for the canards, ailerons and rudder under high stress to keep her flying. A regular at British air shows, the aircraft can literally do a famous BMX trick. An endo. Where the pilot brings the aircraft in low and slow, followed by a quick, but massive burst of the afterburners and hard back on the yolk. The Typhoon seems to hold in suspended animation with the nose up in what starts out as a 'wheelie' and almost to a dead stop of an endo. If you can find footage of this trick, you too will wonder how the aircraft can even stay in the air during this manoeuvre. I've seen it twice and still think it's witchcraft that defies physics. My only guess being it's the sheer power of the alterable afterburners that keeps the aircraft in flight.

[@stevenmacdonald9619]

I've found footage of it happening 😁kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4qcp2mbfb-sppo at 4:20 the pilot comes in and power drops audibly, then he literally hangs her in the sky. Yet again, I simply cannot figure how this aircraft can do this.

[@hardcard254]

@@stevenmacdonald9619 You do know that unstable jets which rely on fly-by-wire to stay in the air have been around since the late 70s, right? The typhoon isn't special in this regard. Also, what does "aerodynamic enough" even mean? 😅

[@hardcard254]

@tony fendex Nothing beats the tomcat in terms of beauty and overall "badassery". MiG-29 fulcrum is also more beautiful than the typhoon... hell, the only modern aircraft uglier than the typhoon are the F-22 and the F-35 🤣

[@mickeyg7219]

Just one ironic thing to point out though, the MiG-21 actually has a lower thrust-to-weight ratio than the F-4 and pretty much the same wing loading, but in a real battle, the MiG-21 is noticeably more maneuverable.

[@Retroscoop]

Dogfights is but one aspect of the story. There's also the longer range part among other things.

[@jacksonteller1337]

That's why Israeli pilots slaughtered the Russian and Egyptian pilots flying the Mig 21 in 1973. They only lost a handful of F-4 Phantom II to aircraft all others were downed by the S-125. Once the Mig 21 left the umbrella they died.

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

Mass will be mass And huge frontal aspect with a bigger Cx is a disfavour for F4

[@bellator11]

No it isn't. There's a big difference between an early very light MiG-21F13 (which has a noticably lower wing loading than the F-4's) and the successive and much more numerous MiG-21Bis variants which have no advantage over the F-4, esp. the slatted F-4E.

[@catfood_03_4stray]

The MiG-21 even in its early variants had the advantage of lower aerodynamic coefficient against the F-4 and this made up somehow for its inferior thrust-to-weight ratio. The second advantage of the MiG-21 was its superior G-limit ( 7G against only 6G for the F-4 ) this gave it the initial angular advantage whenever the pilot used to pull the stick all the way back at high speeds until it reached its corner speed. This advantage worked especially at low altitudes ( like in Vietnam where the aircraft were forced to fly low so as to spot their targets in the jungle ).

[@ak99-to1gz]

I love the shape of this Jet, especially when it's fully loaded. Looks like sleek soldier loaded with ton of supplies while going to war.

[@anti-venom7855]

The Euro Fight was and maybe (still is the most advanced aircraft i ever serviced) RAF engineer 20yrs :) the HUD was restricted (when was 1st design ) you blink twice and lite A whole town up

[@williamf.7655]

I witnees isn't a proof. If you were Nigerian, you would have sais : "J7 is the most modern plane I nevar worked"... but it didn't informed us about the other plane! I witness never made a proof.

[@Oxley016]

@@williamf.7655 what?

[@thisisnumber0]

@@Oxley016 He's chewing funny dandelions, I guess.

[@keifykat2647]

What proof?? He was talking from his experience and it was in his own opinion! Nothing abt J7, SAIS or Nigerians! What proof do you want & for what?!?

[@kumarandisamy7468]

Due to high currency exchange rates. My country drop the idea sof buying this plane

[@davidwitter1234]

A couple of errors in that commentary first the aircraft always had a secondary ground attach role from inception was planned to be the Jaguar replacement after equipping the initial fighter Sqn's of the RAF. Several Stealth features of the aircraft built in at the original design missed off, Typhoon has a frontal radar cross section much lower than the general public think. but overall a very good commentary on general aircraft development in ther market place.

[@xyzaero]

I have no clue how this "pure fighter" BS became common "knowledge".

[@EfftupSmith]

@@xyzaero me either. It was always a Swing Role fighter, just the capabilities were added in steps. Frontal Radar cross section is 1/4 the size of a Tornado. In comparison F22 frontal radar cross section is 1/10 that of an F15. so it is not a "stealth" aircraft but way stealthier than people think.

[@xyzaero]

@@EfftupSmith Ar least one person who knows his shit 👍🏻

[@phispe42]

its because the designers made it that way, it might be marketed differently, but the main armament it was tested and planned with was only air interceptor, an dif you are asking for my source, its one of the lead designers who gave a seminar on combat aircraft design at my uni@@xyzaero

[@PCP6996]

Clickbait title.

[@gooner72]

Absolutely

[@underwaterdick]

Agreed. Massively. No hidden or shameful story here about an incredible aircraft, built for a war that "finished" during development. Still one of the world's top fighters. Not a great multirole aircraft.

[@levipierson4946]

@@underwaterdick i feel that the Euro fighter and the F-15E would be a great team u0

[@EricTheActor805]

​@@levipierson4946 Why

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

​@@EricTheActor805: Why not?

[@adamkeene6371]

The eurofighter is a weapon. It's unique in many ways. I've seen the raf really punch this aircraft to its limits and it delivers. in war I doubt there will be many loses either. It sits up their with the f22 and f35. Simply gorgeous looking aircraft

[@Samuel-su4qc]

Bullshit 🧢

[@5149111]

I just love how he said the first Cold War ended

[@bighands69]

We are in the second cold war right now but it may end up as a hot war.

[@ChazCharlie1]

@@bighands69 the Chinese hotpot war

[@runeodin7237]

The duration of 'The first cold war' is a matter of definitions, but it seems logical to say it ended when the main country of one of the sides (the Soviet Union) dissolved.

[@briancavanagh7048]

Not mentioned, for the reason for lack of export success was the time it took the 4 partner nations to make a decision on up grades was far too slow.

[@scratchy996]

The Typhoon was designed to intercept Soviet bombers. Most countries don't need interceptors, but multirole fighters. The Typhoon became a multirole fighter over the years, but it was a slow transition.

[@death_parade]

@@scratchy996 Funny that Typhoon fanboys $hit on Tejas when they both have so much in common.

[@angelarch5352]

LOL! 2:31 this is the first time I heard the name, "First Cold War"... very appropriate;)

[@dumptrump3788]

I saw the Brit EAP at Farnborough back in the early 80s, it put on a REALLY impressive demonstration flight.

[@gregs7562]

Definitely an argument that the UK should have just gone ahead with this ourselves.

[@Scoobydcs]

@@gregs7562 with what? we had nowhere near enough money

[@callumwilliams1449]

@@Scoobydcs That's ridiculous. France and Sweden design and build their own aircraft. Both are rich Eurooean countries with a smaller GDP than the UK.

[@Scoobydcs]

@@callumwilliams1449 dont take my word for it, research it yourself

[@Scoobydcs]

@@callumwilliams1449 sweden are fiercely independent

[@semco72057]

I think that the Eurofighter Typhoon is a great aircraft and they are used by several countries who participate in the Red Flag exercises and have proven their worth to the nations using them. During the exercises tested there the aircraft was able to defeat many of the newer aircraft in service and will be used for a long time to come.

[@bighands69]

While they maybe a great craft they simply are nowhere near the level of the US fighters programs.

[@trevor311264]

@@bighands69 Really? The F35 is totally out performed by the Typhoon in several ways, including supercruise and weapons load out. The F35 has stealth, but that is compromised now by new radar systems, meaning the main benefits are lost. In any case they are two different aircraft with two different roles.

[@davidwitter1234]

@@trevor311264 If you think Typhoon doesn't have Stealth capability you are miss informed. Aircraft was built with a low frontal radar cross section, supercruise for reduced IR signature and PIRATE IR system.

[@trevor311264]

@@davidwitter1234 All modern aircraft have some design features to reduce radar signal return, it does not mean it has been designed as a stealth aircraft, far from it.

[@craig855s]

@@trevor311264 These days being seen by RADAR is one of only several ways you are found in the air. Typhoon doesnt have a super effective body shape and funky coatings to make it as stealthy as the F35, but it does almost all of the other stuff the F35 does to not be seen

[@stephenpage-murray7226]

Don’t think I’ve heard so much misinformation from one video before.

[@pickle2636]

whats the misinformation in it?

[@stephenpage-murray7226]

@@pickle2636 All of it

[@pickle2636]

@@stephenpage-murray7226 yea but like what, did the EAP not exist or something?

[@ToiletDuckify]

Damn good question there pickle

[@oxbaki5839]

Yeah there is so much misinformation, like the eurofighter doesn’t even exist this is fake 😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@Matze239]

What is the point of this video. Germany, UK, Spain, Italy and Austria use the Typhoon. That's five European countries. And you're trying to tell me the Typhoon isn't popular? The French needed, as you already said, a carrier-capable fighter, so they made their own EDIT: Since some people think the Eurofighter is a copy of the Rafale, heres some facts: In the 1970s, the French launched the Avion de Combat du Futur (ACF) program. The successor to the Mirage 3 and the F-1 was to be a Delta aircraft with fly-by-wire. The Mirage 2000 and the unsuccessful Mirage 4000 developed from the ACF program. The project was resumed in 1977 under the name Avion de Combat Tactique (ACT). Since Great Britain and Germany were doing research on a new hunter (AST 403 (GB) and TKF90 (GER)) at the same time, it was decided to merge the program into a European joint project. Dassault, MBB and BAe each submitted a draft. In 1983, BAe and MBB presented the first joint draft, Dassault did not agree and developed his own prototype based on the ACT. Even before the official agreement to develop a joint aircraft, France went its own way. Nevertheless, the development of a European Fighter Aircraft (EFA) was decided in 1983/84. France wanted a smaller, cheaper multi-role fighter with distinctive short take-off properties, better suited for missions by the relatively small French carriers, with strong ground attack capabilities and better export opportunities, while Germany and Great Britain had a high-performance and manoeuvrable fighter in mind: high acceleration at all altitudes, good supersonic maneuverability in the initial phase of the aerial battle, effective fire-and-forget air-to-air armament for medium distances, extreme maneuverability in dogfight and a good range for air surveillance missions and escorts. The ability to fight in curves should be achieved through high pitch rates and maintenance of flight stability even after a stall. Thrust vector control should give the machine the ability to adjust the line of sight to the target (very interesting because the lack of said thrust-vector-control ist the main critique point nowadays). Ground attack abilities were intended as a secondary ability only. France claimed system leadership and 50% work share. In August 1985 the negotiations finally failed, whereupon the then French Defense Minister Charles Hernu announced that France would withdraw from the EFA program and develop the ACX on its own for series production. The remaining four nations developed the EFA into the Eurofighter.

[@dylanwight5764]

Germany also operated the MiG-29 until the Luftwaffe gifted Poland's air force with its surviving airframes for the absolute bargain of one euro each. This has no relevance to the Eurofighter. I just thought it was a cool aspect of aviation history.

[@Matze239]

@Pietro bellucci nobody cares and your comment is completely useless pressed french

[@brittanyfirst1608]

@@Matze239 nobody cares too and EF is just an ugly copy of The Rafale, the Best 4.5's.

[@flankerpraha]

Austria intends to get rid of Eurofighters as their operation costs are extreme and will probably buy Gripen. Other nations also use Gripen or F-35. From that point the initial intention was not fulfilled at all.

[@mikewade777]

@@brittanyfirst1608 nobody cares for your lack of knowledge.

[@sim.frischh9781]

In Austria we call it the Teurofighter, a play on words as "teuer" is german for "expensive", which it is. Some have suggested to replace our Teurofighters with Aermacchi Masters, since they are much cheaper in both upkeep and maintanence.

[@timhancock6626]

So are bicycles 😆

[@sim.frischh9781]

@@timhancock6626 And way more reliable too.

[@noodles169]

Best 4.5 gen fighter jet in the sky's. It can do everything

[@TheRogueminator]

Maybe on par with Rafale?

[@isziahs5951]

@@TheRogueminator superior to it in quite a few places tbh

[@F2000-q2z]

@@isziahs5951 The Eurofighter is better in air to air considering it's speed and higher service ceiling. But it can't carry 3 drop tanks + a pod like the Rafale can. Heavy weapons like cruise or anti-shipmissiles need to go on either the central hardpoint (pod or droptank) or on the wing hardpoints that can carry droptanks. You can't have both. The Rafale can have a pod + tanks + cruise missiles. The Rafale is a far better multirole aircraft. But the difference isn't that big if you are only dropping simple GBU's.

[@isziahs5951]

@@F2000-q2z good thing the Typhoon is primarily an air superiority fighter lol

[@F2000-q2z]

@@isziahs5951 Yes but now that the Panavia Tornado's are getting too old it is becoming more of an issue. Because the Typhoons now have to take on more of the Air to Ground role.

[@fortyfour6626]

Today I recorded 3 Typhoons dancing around a troop or crew transport leaving Macdill in Florida. Flight radar showed the transport as a British military plane……showed it going to Las Vegas ( Typhoons didn’t show on radar). Such a beautiful sight seeing our British brothers enjoying a flight over the states. Flight radar said they were heading to Vegas so my guess is they were training at Nellis. American and British Military working and playing together! I sleep very good at night knowing these good guys are training together regularly. Western powers keeping the world safe.

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

Amen to that brother. 🇬🇧 🤝 🇺🇸 =💪

[@clansman89]

Now we need a story about Rafale

[@dagisiemens]

Can’t wait for TrueGrit and Heatlburs module of the Typhoon to come out for DCS

[@hardcard254]

I doubt we'll be able to supercruise at mach 1.5, tbh, but it'll be a nice alternative to viper and hornet. I'm also very interested in the F-15E module, that one is going to be epic as well.

[@frodrigues2008]

Spent a fortune on DCS i want a World Map with everything and all planes be that military or civil...and i want a newer version of the game so that even my Apple 13 could support it.

[@hanniballecter4004]

What is the story that the West does not want to tell? Everything you said about the Eurofighter is common knowledge.

[@michaeldobson107]

It's called click bait.

[@hanniballecter4004]

@@michaeldobson107 It's actually kind of boring as clickbait. He should have gone all out, if that was his intention to mislead..."Eurofighter Typhon ; The Dirty Little Secret The West Has Been Trying To Hide!"

[@GonzoTehGreat]

15:13 I wouldn't assume the Tempest is intended to replace the Typhoon so much as work alongside it. Consider the recent decision by the Pentagon to produce the F-15 Eagle 2 which is intended to be used in conjunction with the F-22 Raptor (or, more likely, F-35) as a missile carrying platform. 20 years from now, the Typhoon could be used similarly with the Tempest. 6th gen fighter programs, such as FCAS (or NGAD) are more about developing a capability platform rather than specific aircraft, consisting of a combination of both manned and unmanned aerial vehicles used in conjunction with land based assets.

[@eraldorh]

The F22 is being scrapped tho.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

@@eraldorh Nope

[@thomasstevenhebert]

@@GonzoTehGreat Its being retired earlier than anticipated by most. The Eagle buy is much more about getting an updated platform that can carry and launch hypersonics and super long range AAM.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

@@thomasstevenhebert _"Its being retired earlier than anticipated by most."_ There might be articles CLAIMING the F-22 was intended to remain in service until 2050 (or even 2060) but I've not seen confirmation of this from the USAF. Anyone who thought it would remain operational that long hasn't taken into consideration the recent progress by China and Russia with their 5th gen stealth programs, which has forced the USA to re-evaluate their own capabilities. These journalists were apparently also unaware of the problems keeping the F-22 (and the F-35) updated/upgraded and are also out of touch with the current rate of change of aviation technology. However, the main constraint of the Raptor is that there aren't enough of them to be effective, so replacing them isn't the priority. Instead, the USAF wants to start producing equally capable fighters in sufficient numbers to perform the role that it was supposed to do. Hence, a more realistic expected retirement date is sometime in the mid 2030s, which is still over a decade away and approx 30 years after it entered service in 2005, assuming NGAD will be ready by then... www.airforcemag.com/csaf-f-22-not-in-usafs-long-term-plan/ _"hypersonics and super long range AAM."_ These are both missiles and as I said, the Eagle 2 is intended as a missile platform. "Even though it will be limited in how close it can get to enemy air defenses-owing to its large radar cross section-the EX will be effective for homeland defense and in areas where the adversary threat is less severe." Gen. James M. Holmes (Head of Air Combat Command 2017-2020) www.airforcemag.com/article/joining-up-on-the-f-15ex/

[@xyzaero]

Eagle 2 and Raptor are not going to fight together for a log time, because by the time the Eagle 2 is fully combat capable in large numbers, the F-22 will be on the way to the chopping block.

[@jizburg]

I love double delta wing configurations. But there is something about the eurofighter that just dont jive with me. The Rafale and the Gripen and even the Viggen just looks nicer to me. Altho looks is not everything of course.

[@romaniamare4577]

I dont know why, if all would look the same it would be boring...

[@SkynetT-X]

The Rafale and the Gripen are not multi role, single purpose like comparing f-15 to f-22

[@murphy7801]

@@SkynetT-X that's not entirely true. Rafale is definitely multi role. Just different roles. Eurofighter isn't doing nuclear deployment or whole bunch naval type missions rafale can. Also rafale can also do air to ground. So probably fair say rafale does more roles.

[@richardhoyau936]

​@@SkynetT-Xle rafale est omnirole petit génie et pour infos il gâche toutes tentative de vente et surtout de capacité les plus élémentaires de ton Eurofighter dans les démonstrations commerciales de plus il a été fabriqué par 4 pays avec un budget plus important que le rafale.. résultats des courses dassault a été en avance de 2 ans sur son cahier des charges et économisez sur son budget initial .. et Respecter toutes les demandes omnirole que l état français réclamait a Dassault aviation notamment pour rafale marine ce que l Eurofighter n' est pas et pour terminer au cours des entraînements commun de l otan le rafale est toujours au-dessus de ses adversaires

[@AC-SlaUkr]

That’ll be ignoring the RAF, Luftwaffe and Italian Air Force then!

[@jacksonteller1337]

Russian propaganda Channel.

[@FelixIsMyName]

Spain too right?

[@flo__60]

THEY ARE PARTNERS IN THE PROJECT they were into it before seeing the result

[@rickwalker2]

@@flo__60 So? It's still been adopted by the vast majority of European's military power. France is the only major European military which hasn't adopted it.

[@flo__60]

@@rickwalker2 they chose to take part in the project they didn't evaluate the finished product to decide, you don't have as much of a choice after pouring millions into it this is my guess to why he talk about non partner buyers.

[@TheSecurdisc]

I recall one test pilot who flew the typhoon who was far from happy about the canards creating a 'massive blindspot' for the pilot. It will be noted the Rafael has its canards set further back. Not being a pilot I am not sure if this is that important or not.

[@mostevil1082]

A little awkward for landing as the nose is up and it obscures the view of the runway. Common complaint with canards. It's not usually a massive blindspot in a fight as the enemy will generally be kept somewhere above along the centreline.

[@billy4072]

They look ridiculous, couldn’t care less about aerodynamics and handling 🤷

[@TheAnikazone]

@@billy4072 good thing you’re not designing fighter jets.

[@zodiacdriver3852]

@@mostevil1082 I do not know any one case that the high alpha at landing created a serious problem for Typhoon pilots 🙃

[@nikoladd]

A little correction: When you say "a nightmare for military planner in Brussels".. well there never were any military planners in Brussels, apart from Belgian army ones that is, so you're fighting ghosts there. Thanks on the technical part of the video, well done for that, but the rest is pathetic propaganda.

[@OvertDegree1612]

Wouldn't he be referring to NATO?

[@aiGeis]

Found the EU shill.

[@JW-be8wf]

Where do you think NATO was/is headquartered? It is in Brussels. So yes there should be military planners there. That is what headquarters are made for.

[@kumarandisamy7468]

I remember talking to an airforce officer in 2003. He was send by the government to evaluate two planes to submit which is the panavia Tornado and F 16. He told he prefer F16 at that time due to its electronic warfare especially the radar technology in F16. Few years after that the airforce purchase F18

[@mookie2637]

Came expecting propaganda (like seemingly many of these channels) and trolls saying "durrrr". Was not disappointed. I was involved in this aircraft's development in the 1990s. This video is full of specific misapprehensions - especially that the Typhoon was designed to "intercept Warsaw Pact bombers" (wrong, it was always intended as a multi-role aircraft) - but also a very big one; that the Typhoon was intended as an export aircraft. That wasn't the case.

[@prepareuranus8097]

Im probably majorly wrong. But iv always looked at it as the European F-16. always liked the canard design. this and the Rafale I believe are the superior 4th gen delta wing canard fighter designs.

[@plightfoot8491]

Greatest fighter of all time ! OK you keep it I’ll keep the F 14. F15 F35. F22. F117 and A10 you keep the fiat

[@martinsaunders2942]

The former US Airforce General chief of Staff, General John P Jumper is the only person to have flown both the F-22 and Typhoon. He said both were excellent..but very different aircraft. He also said that in a close in dog fight, where manoeuvrability and the ability to hold high G manoeuvres counted, the Typhoon was better that the F-22 and had the edge. The stealth aspect and vertical performance of the F-22 gave it an advantage in other areas.

i vividly remember, back when we called it the jäger 90... shortly after exchanging the f-104 ground nail against the panavia tornado

[@synalra2388]

In fact the Typhoon is one of the five competitors to replace Finland's aging F-18 Hornets, I'm kind of rooting for it versus the other options

[@SuperGeronimo999]

Wouldn't be a bad choice. I believe the Gripen would be a better choice though, just because it needs less of a runway and Finland (probably) doesn't have too many airfields. Also cheaper to operate. Maybe less capable overall but definitely enough.

[@anandarochisha]

Yeah..I agree with the other reply. I am in Canada and we are looking to replace our Hornets too. I hope both our Countries get the Gripens, but we will probably watch the politicians buy the superhornet. I also think it is time for Finland and Sweden to join NATO together. Putin is a whack-job, and Norway and Sweden already depend on Finland to slow down Russia if they ever decide to go after Nordics or Baltics. May as well make it official.

[@SuperGeronimo999]

@@anandarochisha Super Hornet instead of Gripen would make sense if you had carriers. But Canada and Finland do not.

[@anandarochisha]

@@omegacentauri73 I am not from America, so don't give me that BS. Putin blames NATO for the mighty USSR breaking into pieces. Fact is, they split off because Russia is a THIEVING CORRUPT KLEPTOCRACY. Putin claims he makes 150000 US per year and is estimated to have almost 9 BILLION in the Bank. Now He has declared himself Stalin for LIFE.

[@mikek9297]

@@anandarochisha It's more complicated than that I'm afraid. After USSR collapsed and retreated from Europe, they had a treaty with NATO whic stated that the pact would not move american troops close to their border. NATO did, pointing out some loophole like "the treaty was with USSR and you are Russia". Basically they treated Russians like punks while observing Monroe doctrine on their whole hemisphere, making moderate russian leadership look weak... which led to Cuban missile crisis and the rise of "strong man" Putin among others. Omega is still full of shit. If Russians see an opening, they will move in - just like with Crimea and Ukraine and Georgia before. There's nothing magical about Baltic states or Scandinavia protecting them from Putin's agression - infact they're like candy in front of a hungry kid. And now the way the US left Afghanistan... they might see an opening forming.

[@dennisleighton2812]

I'm confused. You say the Typhoon was not a successful seller in Europe. Could you put up comparative figures of all sales of the various similar planes offered by other European manufacturers? I'd be very interested to see these. As a second request could you put up similar figures of other manufacturers selling into the European markets? I have a suspicion that nobody outsells Typhoon sales. Also, hasn't there been a significant number of new orders for Typhoons recently, like Germany? If you would answer these questions, I'd be most grateful. Cheers

[@WeaponDetective]

Thanks for your interest. It means that we did not express ourselves well. We tried to explain that the initial project goal was to develop a jet fighter that other Europeans, like Belgium, Norway and the Netherlands, etc., in addition to the project partners, would acquire. The point we are trying to underline is that this goal has failed.

[@dennisleighton2812]

@@WeaponDetective I guess. Still the best of its kind though!

[@dennisleighton2812]

@@WeaponDetective Thanks for the clarification. Yes, that's true. But, by the same token, the opposition (SAAB Gripen, Dassault Rafale) has proven even less successful, despite being cheaper! Eurofighters (and the others) are still being developed further and sold almost as fast as they can be produced to their respective primary users. It's all very well to count F-35 sales into Europe as successes, but when will they actually be delivered (if ever)? The UK needs its carrier planes NOW but have to wait till the 2030s to have its order filled! In the wings, the British are well on their way to developing their OWN new fighter (Tempest) so even they acknowledge that Eurofighter is coming towards the end of its life cycle as a highly successful plane, and will be replaced some day. In the meantime I think ANY sales of Eurofighter at the present time can be counted as a success at this time. With the massive industrial resources available to the US military, and cross-service application (Air Force, Navy & Marines) it is pretty clear that economies of scale are starting to count heavily in favour of the F-35, whose price for purchase in the future is looking very seductive. However, what is not being revealed is when they can actually be delivered to smaller users (like Norway, Netherlands etc) and whether those countries can expect to actually receive them before Tempest comes on line. When that occurs (in the medium distant future) the F-35 will be rendered obsolete in the role most European countries ought to be interested in - protection of their sovereign airspace! In this role (much like Spitfire in WWII) the Eurofighter excels, as will the Tempest. What F-35s still exist at the time will be hugely useful in their specialised roles. Of this there is NO doubt whatsoever. So, I don't think it's a question of either one or the other, but rather of whether there will be enough of them to do the job when the time comes. It is highly regrettable that the NATO alliance countries decided to go their separate ways (also Sweden, a non-member).

[@maegalodonus]

The F35 was available for commercialization much later than the Eurofighter and most countries were only interested in the VSTOL or naval version of the F35 anyway until a few years ago because the price was abysmal, its costs per hour of flight absolutely crazy and there were serious doubts about its real performance and cost-effectiveness. The Eurofighter is inferior only to the F22 and on par with the Rafale. The reason why many countries opted for new gen F16s or Gripen is simply because they are cheaper and have lower maintenance costs than the Eurofighter.

[@EduSanjuan777]

Superior to Rafale in many things, particularly high speed and altitude performance, speed of turning and power to weight ratio. Its a way superior interceptor and air superiority plane. On the other hand the Rafale is a way superior ground attack plane,also at electronic warfare, might be slightly better on low speed maneuvering and for now, has a better radar.

[@amvedin]

India considered Eurofighter and Rafale for her airforce but opted for theFrench aircraft because of the price. India has bought 36 Rafales and might buy more until their own fifth-generation fighter is ready for trials.

[@death_parade]

Pretty sure it wasn't just the price.

[@chevauxpatrice6198]

Rafale is Multi role , war proof and has a modern radar.

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

​@chevauxpatrice6198 : Just like the Typhoon.

[@jureeratpholseela7508]

@@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM At the time Typhoon had no AESA radar vs the Rafale. Must look at the noting and it's also fell behind in Air superiority , Netherland and Switzerland also gave it a lower not in that specific area.

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

@jureeratpholseela7508 : At that time, they were testing the Typhoon, it was only TRANCHE 1. Typhoon is currently at TRANCHE 3, soon to be TRANCHE 4. These are vastly more capable than the TRANCHE 1, in terms of avionics. The Typhoon's air-air capability has nowhere near been diminished, if anything, it's been improved & before you claim that the Rafale scored kills against it aswell as the F22, the opposite to both of them statements is also true. Infact, the TRANCHE 1 Typhoon (the most basic model) was the 1st to score kills against the Raptor 'years' before the Rafale was did.

[@Alsayid]

I see a lot of people arguing about whether the modern version of the F-16 is on the same level as Eurofighter or not. By tell me, guys, what about Rafale vs. Eurofighter? Are they pretty much equal, or is one more advanced? And what about the newer version of the F-15 that America has announced it will buy? How does it compare?

[@Flying-spaghetto]

In international competitions, the Rafale was better ranked in all criteria according to the different Airforces who tested them. That can be a good clue to compare their capabilites.

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

In terms of comparison, there's not much in it. In a straight up dogfight the Typhoon has the edge. As it has a higher thrust to weight ratio (second only to the Raptor & not by much), with that capability it can super-cruise faster & further. it also has lower wing loading basically meaning it can turn tighter for much longer. Where the Rafale scores better, is that it's ground attack capability is a bit more fleshed out, so to speak & there's a carrier capable version, also. There's no carrier capable Typhoon. Another thing worth noting, is that more nations fly the Typhoon, than the Rafale.

[@arijitdey8365]

Good video. But why the 'Ode to joy' in background!

The ode to joy is the European Union's anthem

[@arijitdey8365]

@ Thanks for the info.

[@petertimowreef9085]

I think this title is a little too opinionated for a channel called a "detective". The title is the first thing people see, it sets the tone for the entire video. Inside the video itself you can look at things in a certain perspective without losing neutrality but I think the title is far too important to do anything but a dry factual description of the video's content. I realise dry titles won't please the dreaded youtube algorithm but I truly believe this channel has the quality to be successful regardless.

[@midnight4958]

i got kind of mad on the Mig and F4 thing because if anyone actually done any amount of research, the reason why there aware more F4s shoot down than Migs is due to the Vietnam pilots choose their fights, only choosing to attack when the F4 are low on fuel or when they are trying to get back to base after completing a mission

[@stephennuttall5052]

North Vietnamese migs absolutely did not shoot down more f4s, USAF and USN kill ratios were between 5-1, 7-1 at various points and even 14-1 in 1972 exceeding Korean war kill ratios, when Mig Cap missions are compared to fighter versus fighter combat in other conflicts not the skewed comparison of f4s or f105s A7 even A1 skyraider etc on strike missions laden with bombs being shot down by fighters. ww2 and Korean war fighter vs fighter data does not count fighter bomber missions shot down as being fighter vs fighter combat. The North vietnamese air force failed to defend their own airspace from sorties by bombers the main threat to aircraft being SAMS.. I recommend you check out the excellent HistoryNet article The great Vietnam war fighter vs fighter kill ratio debate which brilliantly debunks this Myth of lower kill ratios.

[@midnight4958]

@@stephennuttall5052 then I’ll stand correct

[@martinsaunders2942]

Well, that would make very good sense then.. Any intelligent pilot should choose his fight…that what it’s all about.

[@lawrencefox563]

Europe needs to combine its aviation industries as they did Airbus to make military aircraft,include everyone from Casa to Saab and those more famous.

[@DropdudeJohn]

That's a security nightmare

[@madzen112]

Kfir was my first airfix kit

[@madzen112]

...although I think it was Italieri. Most of my models were

[@myob3038]

Cool looking as the Typhoon is, if I was a country looking to purchase warplanes I couldn't develop myself, I'd purchase some from a country that loves both aviation AND WAR. I'm sure you can guess I'm referring to the United Corporations of America.

[@DarthWall275]

IMO Eurofighter's biggest mistake, ironically, is that it sold Typhoons to Saudi Arabia...arming a volatile, potentially hostile nation with one of the most advanced fighters in the world will spell trouble, granted they are older variants than the ones used by the RAF and German Air Force, but still.

[@alextowers3564]

But can you imagine if they had gone to the Russians or the Chinese instead of the Eurofighter consortium?

[@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM]

The Saudis have always bought Western tech. They also train with Western nations, for decades, without any problems....for now.

[@gefiltafish2187]

I just love it cause it resembles the LAVI . a homegrown Israeli developed fighter project that was ..surprise surprise.. shut down due to political pressure .. from across the sea.( Sort of a blessing in disguise as it turned out ) Euro fighter seems to be a very agile jet. I wonder though how well it can fit to the necessary stealth any jet must bring to the modern era.

[@theneef174]

The lavi ended up getting sold to china anyways.

[@gameprofile1178]

The eurofighter has never had a dog fight, hense how good this platform is,

[@erkanylmaz5564]

Thanks for this great video.

[@maxusman8_351]

The way you phrased a lot of what you said was great, but I would reccomend checking those sources. The line "the radar can detect the F-35 from 40km away..." or smthn like that sounds ridiculous, lest the F35 be able to detect and destroy the eurofighter at 60.

[@guayaquilander]

So what's the story the west doesn't want to tell????

[@TelpPov]

That the Eurofighter Typhoon is a partially failed project on its own. It's not the best but carries a top premium price tag.

[@2sqnbandit379]

I was speaking to a raf pilot, typhoon is world class he said. Better than the F16 & F15 hands down. Splatters them on red flag

[@Lost-In-Blank]

_Good video._ The F-35 is only slowly becoming available now, so I don't think it had any part in initial reduced Eurofighter sales. I think that was all the F-16 and F-18 beating the Eurofighter to the market. But from 2019 on, then the F-35 has had a strong effect on EU countries and Canada's choices. The F-35 has prevented Canada making a choice.

[@tilfo6798]

Still, the F35 isnt a good aircraft, if u want to operate only one kind of Aircraft. It is slow, expensive and for regular Interceptions u do not need stealth.

[@theneef174]

@@tilfo6798 You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

[@duanabsa9993]

Sell them to Pakistan. Malaysia is also rumoured to be interested in Typhoon jets, budget permitting. Argentina is looking to upgrade its air force, but definitely Typhoon is not in its list.

[@death_parade]

Please sell them to Pakistan. They are about to go bankrupt as it is, this will be final nail in coffin.

[@Kman31ca]

I think the Eurofighter would be the perfect answer to Canada's needs, to bad it won't happen.

[@Kman31ca]

@J Jones They don't have Super hornets or Growlers. Legacy hornets they've been flying since the 80's.

[@georgepantazis141]

@@Kman31ca Australia,s 🇭🇲 F18a were given to Canada 🇨🇦

[@Kman31ca]

@@georgepantazis141 No we paid for them for spare parts to keep our old hornets flying.

[@mikekoops1767]

Not a bad idea. Will not happen with that crayon munching skippy that is currently in office. The country has been called Canaduh ever since Tru-doh >.< took power.

[@polentusmax6100]

If europe make below its cost, yes, otherwise, the f35 is much more cost effective

[@Cartoonman154]

There are two documentaries that I know that talks about the Eurofighter's development and politics. It's not really a secret.

[@bobhopemaryjane2]

When did the 2nd cold war start?

[@CAsCurryKitchen]

So you've not heard of a little country called China then?

[@ighmur]

The canard is much more forward than on other fighters. Doesn't this interfere with the pilot's view?

[@thisisadebrown]

You better check out your material, the aircraft you saw being revealed is British only called the Tempest, it has a Swedish influence and an Italian Bakır who wishes to addTo the dimensions of the Italian air force, but so far Britain is the lead project

[@lorenzwiedemar1837]

Good assement of the current situation with modern Jet fighters. But ther's one flaw in your overview: the F35 is not that almighty nightmare of the skies. In fact, it's an aeronautic equivalent to a fat pig =:-D

[@paulissus8974]

It’s no surprise why it hasn’t been bought in huge numbers, it’s a very expensive aircraft but most importantly the Genesis of it was not to make money. It was for an aircraft fit to face off whatever the the then Soviet Union had.

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

Well...the French were always going to buy their own-and that's surely the best multi-role type, Gripen was probably the most successful, but is the cheapest (and is certainly no slouch-I mean, it's probably the weakest of the bunch, but is half a class above an F-16-and that's what a lot of Western nations chose), with the Typhoon being the undisputed champion of air-superiority. But look at the competition. They built hundreds of Typhoons-I don't know exactly how many, but surely a success. And the countrys that bought them, would all feel good about that. Hardly money wasted.

[@murphy7801]

Idk lately rafale sales gone way way up.

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

@@murphy7801 Like I said, Rafael's the best multirole type. Reading comprehension man...

[@jureeratpholseela7508]

undisputed champion of air-superiority... Well looking at the results of India/Singapore/Netherland/South Korea/Brazil none of then gave it a superior note VS the Rafale in air superiority and lets forget ground attack . Even though the F-35 came on top for Uncle Sam umbrella in most of those market... Great Fighter but overrated only by the Brits. Still love that aircraft

[@NeilHarris-gf4ew]

Its manouverable enough thrust vectoring would not make that much difference would it? Let me know below as im no expert.

[@hujiaming6151]

Man I like this back ground music.

[@Anlushac11]

IMHO the Typhoon is a good fighter in a bad time. Its competitors like Rafale, F-18, JAS-39 Gripen, F-35 are either cheaper, or offer better hardware like AESA and EODAS. Originally it was considered underpowered but the Tranch 3 engine upgrades were suppose to fix that and IIRC a AESA radar upgrade is coming.

[@human3213]

F35IS LEAGUES ABOVE TYPHOON F35 IS A FIFTH GEN JET

[@wartmcbeighn]

@@human3213 its overpriced...with many known deficiencies and a hanger queen

[@tahinarajaobelina2486]

We could also say that the Typhoon is penalised by the politics. For example the AESA radar was avalaible long time ago, but it was implemented on the plane lately because of politics.

[@Kevin-fj5oe]

@@wartmcbeighn well, if you can afford it then the benefits outweigh the negative, let's be real how much nation can actually deal with hundreds of F-35 right now ?

[@MessInMines]

@@Kevin-fj5oe let's be real how much nation can actually AFFORD hundreds of F-35 right now ? also the F-35's isn't nearly as capable as lockheed martin would like you to believe, they're trying to justify the trillions spent with overestimated numbers, nothing more.

[@frodrigues2008]

In my opinion the 6th generation multi-role fighter that will replace the Eurofighter and the Raptor should be the F 24 OWL (Coruja) a bird of prey very ancient that has the mediaeval reputation of been very wise and represent wisdom among Kings and Scouts.

[@johnsmith-wv4jw]

The reality is, all the 4.5 generation planes are pretty much equal. The differences are down to the combination of sensors and EW systems fitted to a particular aircraft. 4.5 aircraft will leap frog each other in capability, depending on their point in their upgrade cycle. As for stealth, passive and low frequency radar haven't rendered such planes obsolete. Stealth planes have never been invisible to such systems. The problem is, LF and passive radar can't locate an aircraft accurately enough for a target lock. Whereas the stealth planes can see and target your fighters and SAM systems. There is a reason all the major powers are developing stealth planes. They would hardly do that if they had radar systems that rendered stealth useless.

[@marcelkurz134]

hensoldt twinvis apparently can

[@zitu71]

Bangladesh is getting Eurofighter typhoon

[@dk5468]

I used to watch the Eurofighter fly all around our area, back in it's 1980's testing days at Warton BAE. The excessively loud engine noise was a giveaway that it was nearby, i always remember it being much much louder than Tornados, Jaguars, Phantoms or anything else in the sky at the time

[@bastianelsenhans6639]

First flight was in1994, so no testing in the 80´s.

[@FallenPhoenix86]

@@bastianelsenhans6639 EAP maybe, that or we all missed the Flux Capacitor mod.

[@dk5468]

@@bastianelsenhans6639 No way. The EAP was tested throughout the 80's, we had someone visit our school from BAE in around 1986, give a talk about the EAP and hand out some posters. A few of my friends parents also worked on the project at the time

[@bastianelsenhans6639]

@@dk5468 eap is not eurofighter. In your original comment you mentioned the excessively loud engines, being louder than tornado. Eap has the same rb199 engines as tornado.

[@FallenPhoenix86]

@@bastianelsenhans6639 So did the initial EFA prototypes.

[@mattiafioravanti8475]

13:03 "In the new world, no one needed that" well... I wouldn't be so sure!

[@kmh6578]

How's the eft comparable to the f35?

[@mississippirebel1409]

Im sorry but im going to have to correct a few things. First off the Eurofighter is a very good WVR dogfighter but that means very little in todays world. Its also not the second best choice behind the F-35. The F-18 Super Hornet has a better radar and electronic package than the Eurofighter. The F-18 E/F is a far superior aircraft when you talk about multi role fighters. Even the F-15E is a better multi role fighter because it has a superior radar. Lastly i wouldnt mention the Mig-29 as a good 4th gen fighter lol. It has the worst combat record probably in all of modern history and it was extremely limited in its capabilities. Basically it had an early 3rd gen radar and avionics with a 4th gen design.

[@BlueonGoldZ]

The F-18 is superior to the Eurofighter????

[@scepticalwalker3984]

How would you know that the radar in F-18 and F-15 is better than the AESA radar in tranche 4 Eurofighters? Same with the electronics packages. Customers now order the tranche 4, not earlier variants with older radar systems.

[@aleksaradojicic8114]

When MiG-29 appeared, it was equal (and even superior) to western early 4th gen jets. Problem is that after 1991, MiG-29 effectively stoped development for 10 years

[@SuperGeronimo999]

@@BlueonGoldZ In BVR, yeah... several F/A-18 had AESA radars since 2007. Eurofighter doesn't until 2022. F/A-18 had AIM-120D's since 2008, and reached IOC in 2015. Eurofighter is still flying with AIM-120C with Meteor not fully integrated yet.

[@JohnSmith-rr1oc]

With the meteor and the latest radar, the Typhoon would knock the American jets down before they even got into range to launch their ordnance.

[@carrickrichards2457]

A Royal Navy F35A was going to surpass all RAF next gen fighter options. UK's budget limits on airframe count might have lead to a F35 only fighter fleet. No surprise the RAF were keen that Royal Navy carriers use STOL F35B. The 2 RN CV were built too short for the F35A/C. 2010 Cameron tried but failed to put this right.

[@randompheidoleminor3011]

9:00 Weren't the majority of their kills against heavily laden, arguably obselete F-105 bombers though?

[@therealmp40]

And a lot of the F-4s kills were against completely obsolete MiG-15s and 17s

[@randompheidoleminor3011]

@@therealmp40 Vietnamese Mig-15s were never used in combat, only serving as trainers, and the 17's excellent maneuverability meant that even F-4s didn't fare too well until project HAVE DRILL

[@zofe]

The fixed canards of the Kfir, starting in its C2 version (i.e. Mk.2) are because its shorter (and wider, American) motor moved the c.o.g. forwards vs. the Mirage -3 (and -5).

[@polentusmax6100]

I still think they never made those kfirs, but got some ckd kits from france just so france could sell weapons to arabs too.

[@zofe]

@@polentusmax6100 Though Israel made Mirgae-5 aka Nesher already beforehand, following the French arms embargo. The motors are American. The Israeli Lavi preceded all Euro-canards. Israel (Chief Test-Pilot Dani Shapira) also tuned the original Mirgage-3 for the French during its development.

[@polentusmax6100]

@@zofe yes, thats the official version. Lavi was made only in israel and was sold to china. There no way israel build all the tooling of the kfir nasher just to build 80 or 90 of them. My point of view.

[@E_y_a_l]

​@@polentusmax6100 At least according to Wikipedia there were more than 220 Kifrs built, also the whole point of building the Nesher and Kfir was to be more self dependent so it was logical to acquire the required manufacturing and knowledge regardless of the amount, the real part that is a problem to manufacture is the engine, and it was American.

[@polentusmax6100]

@@E_y_a_l thats another possibility.

[@ericstefko4852]

when on the ground and looking at from the front it has a praying mantis look to it

[@jeffpsongs8356]

Wonder if euro consortium would make a sales pitch to Philippines

[@alxtroun4373]

Mirage III is first 2th gen to be competitive against the Mig 21 thanks to its delta. Israel add canards like the saab to make the kfir. Conclusion, all 3th gen using delta and canard are inspired by the Israelian kfir, including the grippen and the mirage 2000.... Wtf???

[@E_y_a_l]

What do you mean WTF? Israel added the canards to the Kfir in 1975, mirage 2000 is from 1978, The Saab Gripen is from 1988, so what is the problem?

[@alxtroun4373]

@@E_y_a_l French brought the delta to modern jet fighter with mirage III (1956). Swedish brought back interest to canards to modern jet fighters with the viggen (1967). But the video attribut (11:14) the widspread of these 2 attributes (delta wing and canards) in the modern fighter jets (including rafale and grippen, which are the successors of the mirage III and of the viggen) to the Kfir (1970). Better?

[@E_y_a_l]

​@@alxtroun4373 The video attributes the traces of the Kfir in the combination of delta wing + canards + powerful engine + fly by wire + advanced electronics + composite materials, not just delta and canards, better?

[@alxtroun4373]

@@E_y_a_l Clearly not better, you are trolling and inventing things. The video does not mention anything about fly by wire, advanced electronics, neither composite materials. And "powerfull engine" is at best vague if not wrong as the Viggen, mentioned, which was anterior to the Kfir (1967 vs 1970), had canards, delta AND a more powerful engine than the Kfir (125kN vs 83kN). So attribute modern fighters specs from the Kfir (which was built by stealing plans from Switzerland) is clearly WTF... NB: you should open better your ears, the video says: "if you look at carefully the new fighters developed in the 1980s, you can find the trace of the Kfir. Many aircraft, such as the Eurofighter Typhoon, Rafale, JAS-39 Gripen, J-10 and Lavi, have tailless delta wings, canards, and powerful engines." The later mention of composites, fly by wire and advance electronic refers to the Typhoon not the Kfir ("engineers who worked on EAP program"). Kfir had none of them (lol!)

[@E_y_a_l]

​@@alxtroun4373 I'm not trolling, I simply asked what do you mean WTF and what is the problem? you are the one who started with the all "better?" attitude, and that's because of your own aggressive way of speaking, not mine, so look at yourself before you blame others. I've watched that part of the video again, and it clearly says Saab 37 Viggen > Kfir > 80s aircrafts, so I ask again, what is the problem? the EF / LAVI / RAFALE etc all look more similar to the Kfir than the Saab in the overall shape of the delta wing, canards, nose and tail, and that's exactly what is said in the video, in fact all of them look like a combination of a Kfir and an F-16, so again, what is the problem? the video mentions the Saab, it just places it further back in the historical hierarchy, you also have a problem with people saying that the Apollo program had attributes of the Gemini program because the Mercury program was before it?

[@rudlzavedno7279]

Typhoon is a beast of a fighter. The problem are it's excessively powerful engines which can wreak havoc on pilot's body. 10G spinal compression can cause many pilots to experience black out and pilots don't really have time to think about not getting into these super high Gs when being in a dogfight. This thing was originally designed to climb to 60.000ft asap and storm the intruder BVR from above with medium to long range AA missiles.

[@polentusmax6100]

They could solve that issue by a redesign making a longer fuselage to hold a internal weapon bay.

[@philellis9465]

He didn't get the RAF roundel right : )

[@notmenotme614]

No the video is correct. That roundel is how they are actually painted on Typhoons, except real life Typhoons have it painted in a more pastel colour. Dont confuse todays roundel for the roundel used in World War 2.

[@philellis9465]

@@notmenotme614 Yea... But the video showed the "official" i.e printed on flags, documents and websites roundels for the other airforces. The one shown is the 1970's low viz, used to this day. But the official RAF roundel has the white middle band.

[@humphrey4976]

This is a high grade channel

[@andysmith2013]

Interesting to get the SMERSH viewpoint.

[@robertnemeth6248]

'Europe' appears not to include the UK and Italy who have both F35 and Typhoon. Also these countries will both buy the 6 gen Tempest. The German Airforce warned to buy F35 but their political masters told them they had to buy European and not from the USA. So Germany is buying new 4 gen aircraft while others buy 5 gen.

[@scepticalwalker3984]

Italy and UK need the F-35 mostly for their aircraft carriers. Without those ships they would have managed with Typhoons. Germany is buying 4th gen while developing 6th gen. They wisely skipped the 5 gen, not least because the F-35 is far from ideal with alarmingly high maintenance costs and low combat readiness. That is also why the trump admin considered cutting the number of USAF F-35 to afford maintenance longer term while focusing more on the new 6th gen instead

[@Tullzter]

what new 4 gen is Germany buying?

[@tahinarajaobelina2486]

Germany also consider the fact that buying F35 is too costly because it would weaken their aerospace industrie, and makes them too dependant on US. BTW, buying F35 would also put an end on their collaboration with France on developing the SCAF. And finally, we could debate on the use of F35 on the battlefield, because it is so expensive that u can't even afford to lose 1.

[@leneanderthalien]

The story about France in the Eurofighter project is totaly FALSE!!! In truth :France did realy "smash the door" from the project, despite Dassault was elected project manager, and the cause are unaceptable differences of required specifications between the french who need a full omnirole fighter to replace ALL the combat aircraft from the "Armée de l'Air" and the "Aeronavale" =5 different aircrafts, with priority high payload, very high agility, low weight+ limited size+fittable for aircraft carrier, and the German+british required specifications with priority "air superiority", but limited multirole (both use in addition they Tornado so they not need a omnirole fighter, and both don't have CATOBAR aircraft carrier...But much later did the brits regreat this choice because the Eurofighter is impossible to fit for carrier use (landing gear bay is too small and the structural strenght is unadequate) so was the brits forced to buy a US aircraft (buyin Rafale for they new carrier have been too dishonoured for the brits i think...)

[@Moltenbramley]

You might want to proof read your comment before posting.

[@1chish]

No the story about how France played the Eurofighter consortium for a bunch of mugs and disappeared to use the aerodynamic and airframe test data is totally true. They demanded total lead of the project, total use of crap SNECMA engines and other specifically French supplier deals. So the rest said 'No thanks' and the French left. It is no coincidence the Rafale is a Typhoon clone. Typhoon was and is an multirole aircraft. It has been upgraded (as had Rafale) as demands have changed and roles have been modified. The UK, Germany and Italy as you say had the Tornado bomber for the heavy lifting so Typhoon was originally a fast QRA fighter with lighter GA capabilities (improved in 2008). But the capability to upgrade was built in. The UK (until 2012) and Italy and Spain had the Harrier for their carriers and other roles and the UK specifically by 2008 was building two large STOVL carriers as the UK was already the only Tier One Partner in the F-35 programme (and had been for many years so was not 'forced' into anything) so was manufacturing, and had access to, 5th Gen and supersonic STOVL capability. France never had Tornado, Harrier and will never have the F-35. The Rafale is by no means a viable alternative to any of those aircraft. There are only two countries in Europe capable of designing, manufacturing and operating 5thy Gen aircraft those are the UK and Italy. And they have joined forces to build the next generation Tempest to replace the Typhoon by 2035. The French cannot match that capability. And as we are mentioning carriers the French did the same to the British over the QE Class carriers a they did to Eurofighter over Typhoon when they reneged on the deal for them to buy a QE Class carrier but to CATOBAR specification. So they have previous form for entering into agreements and baling out when it suits them. Meanwhile France only has the one unreliable carrier, 38 Rafale Ms and the UK has two 70,000 ton carriers and buying 138 F-35s to fly off them. And sorry but we Brits have absolutely NO regrets about not building a 'Typhoon M' as we were never going to build CATOBAR carriers, let alone a nuclear ones and certainly not ones with EMALS (as it doesn't work). And yes you are right there was no way we were ever going to buy the Rafale. We have superior aircraft in Typhoon and F-35 and the Rafale was incompatible with the new carriers anyway.

[@Moltenbramley]

@@1chish whilst I really like and agree with 99% of your comment, I think it’s worth clarifying that at one point the QE class was switched to EMALs for a F35c variant, but this was changed once it became clear the EMALs issue would take many years to resolve. The QE class remains upgradable to that system with the required spaces (as I understand). I’d also like to emphasise how not going nuclear on QE was absolutely the RIGHT thing to do.

[@1chish]

@@Moltenbramley Absolutely right about not going nuclear powered. Just totally unnecessary and hugely expensive. The US Congress did a study back in 1998 and in today's money its about $12 Bn per ship more expensive to build and operate. Thats like 2 new QE carriers and $2 Bn change just in EXTRA costs! The QE class was not 'switched' to EMALS as such. The consideration in 2010 was if PoW could be built as CATOBAR to buy fewer F-35Cs. But as you say it was just a big black money pit with no guarantees. As the Yanks have found out on the USS Ford. We dodged a VERY big bullet staying STOVL

[@thepny_chasseur_de_tricera5361]

@@1chish so that the fault of France now if that Plane is a total failure ? Also the clone thing lol they are totally different aircraft for different mission and good luck if you want to use air superiority model to make a multirole fighter (also France is totally capable of making 6gen plane or even 5gen they litteraly have every company to make everything like thales dassault mbda etc etc just to remind you they have part in Leonardo and they are litteraly making every new missile for the brit)

[@NeilHarris-gf4ew]

The f35 is the most deadly fighter onthe planet, think supercomputer, awacs, and near invisability also being able to take control of any other fighters weapons that is over the battlefield, other fighters wont even know what is was that shot them down. This thing is awsome PERIOD!

[@perperson199]

As a committed opponent of the EU I find it very very difficult to listen to the EU "national anthem" playing in the background. It really is quite painful. Anyway.. Well done! An excellent analysis of the Typhoon

[@ZEtruckipu]

Dude, the typhoon is NOT a British aircraft. It's manufactured by Airbus, which is a direct offspring of french aeronautical companies, and was developed in cooperation with other European countries....

[@perperson199]

@@ZEtruckipu i didn't speak about Britain and I'm not British

[@maxcyber]

@@perperson199 Honey to my ears. Beethoven is perfectly suited for this magnificient project.

[@scepticalwalker3984]

@@perperson199 Ljuv musik i mina öron. Små länder som Storbritannien klarar sig inte ensamma när de sätts under press av Kina eller USA.

[@cccvinod]

Failure of the Typhoon fighter is only reason reliability of spare parts built in different countries. Example Germany and Italy at a drop of pin puts embargo at the critical time. When the weapons required. Another example Belgium and Germany refused to supply advanced rifles to India stating domestic reason

[@umvhu]

Basically a lesson in how to squander tax revenues.

[@graveperil2169]

unless you have a war thats true for all defence spending

[@hpifwkak]

still pales in comparison to the F35

[@TurnStyleGames]

There's quite a lot of misleading bias in this video which detracts heavily from what could have been a kind of documentary. Unfortunate.

[@therealmp40]

Like what for example? I'm not that knowledgeable when it comes to the Typhoon's design history, but I feel like the video gave a few valid points. It's not really calling the aircraft bad or anything of the sort, rather that it failed to completely capture the market (whether this was the Typhoon's objective or not) and that is true, the F-16 ended up taking that market instead. You can have a great aircraft that doesn't sell that well, it has happened in the past and it happens today.

[@ozairakhtarcom]

Pakistan and other Asian countries were keen to buy it but due to financial issues Pakistan couldn't bought it.

[@axel665]

well i guess that the reason for jf-17 maybe they will buy j-10 or j-20 or another china pakistan joint collaboration aircraft.

[@ozairakhtarcom]

@@axel665 We don't actually know what PAF strategists are planning. But, I can surely tell you is that PAF has learned not to put all eggs in one basket and they had realized that EU aircraft have their own specific technologies. So, PAF will be keen to have a mix of Chinese, North America, and EU aircraft in its fleet.

[@polentusmax6100]

There no way in hell they would sell any western tech to pakistan as its close to china.

[@ozairakhtarcom]

@@polentusmax6100 let's see.

[@hatanokiripres]

Heard that your separated brother country Bangladesh gonna buy the Typhoon? how the hell they gonna afford?

[@richardgrahame6023]

The Typhoon has a speed of 1,550 mph or Mach 2.3 and that's proven beyond any doubt.

[@drewblackmatter6669]

Good spide if you wont to escape from.DELTA MIRAGE RAFALE GRIPEN NG J10 F16 VIPERS 70/72 . FRONT OF SU 33 34 35 MKS EUROFOTERS ARE HELPLES FLAYNG KIOFTES

[@NATObait]

@@drewblackmatter6669 After 15 years German Air Force admit EF capabilities Mach 2.35 top speed, can turn 9g at Mach 1.2 with 2 X 1000ltr tanks! Omnirole was not a priority ( nor was it for F15 ) but it was a possibility. F15s demonstrated that function by IAF very successfully. F35 better at penetrating air defence systems, F18 Super Hornet better carrier attack aircraft and

[@64mickh]

yes, but he said supercruise at M.1.1

[@NATObait]

@@64mickh EF Typhoon on test with Singapore AF demonstrated Supercruise of Mach 1.5 with a weapon load out, in equatorial temperatures.

[@dasdasdatics420]

What needs Investigating is why it took so long to design a concept that had it's origins in the 1990s

[@301syedfaizansattar5]

I like how he says 1 st cold War.......

[@olivierpuyou3621]

The real problem with the Eurofighter is its development time, too many prime contractors and specific needs for an aircraft not designed and thought of as an omnirole from the start. very expensive to maintain, reliability very improved. It is an air superiority fighter, thought and designed for this purpose, wanting to transform it into a do-everything plane risks being extremely expensive for mediocre results. Hoping that France will not participate in the SCAF program. When we see the merits of the Rafale and those of the Typhoon, we say to ourselves that the French were lucky to withdraw in time.

[@wilkowilkins363]

Said no-one but the French ever

[@wilkowilkins363]

Typhoon is just better in every way

[@olivierpuyou3621]

@@wilkowilkins363 Surely surely, but this is neither the opinion of the military nor that of the buyers. So yes I am French, but that in no way prevents having an opinion that is not marred by nationalism. Neither that in friendly confrontations the Rafale wins 4 times out of 5, nor that its availability rate is much higher than the Typhoon, not to mention its maintenance costs. Now I'm sure you're right ..... or not.

[@stephenscallion38]

It is very unlikely that Turkey will aquire Eurofighter. EU and Turkey have lot of issues and it is unlikely that some EU countries that produce the aircraft will allow export to Turkey. Since Turkey's relations are deteriorating with USA also, it is more likely that they will aquire some type of Russian aircraft.

[@yarmud]

EU will love some leverage against US

[@scepticalwalker3984]

Relations with Russia are also not very good at the moment. Maybe planes from Japan or South Korea. Europe may sell tranche 3 EF to keep the Turks happy

[@stephenscallion38]

@@scepticalwalker3984 Japan was never too interested in exporting their planes. S. Korean FA-50 is not good enough to match Greek Rafale and F-16. It also requires permisson from U.S. since many parts of FA-50 are American, and relations with them are not good due to Turkish aquisition of Russian S-400 SAM system. Europe have lot of problems with migrants that Turkey is deliberately sending to EU, state of human rights in Turkey, dictator Erdogan etc. are some of the reasons why Eurofighter will not be sold to Turkey. SU-35 or maybe, just maybe SU-57 are more viable option.

[@xyzaero]

@@scepticalwalker3984 Japan and Korea have anything comparable to offer !!

[@xyzaero]

@@stephenscallion38 Japan doesn't even have a jet for sale.

[@mikenyny755]

Start at 8 mins 14 seconds - to get the answer.

[@brianfoley4328]

The F-35 has an RCS of 0.0015 s/m (that's less than a golf ball) nobody's radar ESA or not can pick that up at 60 km,,,so who ever told you that lied through their teeth and didn't expect to get called out for it.

[@jari2018]

it cant run supersonic in peacetime or it will lose the stealthpaintjob -in war it wont matter if they are gonna be shot down anyway just as Jas instability in peacetime is differnt in war -If its gonna get shot down why not the overdrive instability which made it crash intially

[@scepticalwalker3984]

And we are just going to believe what you say, right? Not claims from Typhoon users? Even F-35 users like Israel doubt that it will have a stealth advantage for more than a few years. Advanced countries are already testing new radars and other sensors that will make 5th gen not so stealthy anymore. Also, the F-35 is not as stealthy from all angles as the F-22.

[@brianfoley4328]

@@jari2018 Absolutely not true, where ever you read that...ask for your money back. The F-35's coatings are integral and while they can be damaged by strikes or other contacts, the coatings don't just "wear off" these aren't made in China or Russia. Just so you know, there are more F-35's manufactured and in service than Typhoons or any fifth generation aircraft. So, I'll let the facts speak for themselves.

[@brianfoley4328]

@@scepticalwalker3984 I wouldn't believe me for a millisecond and I don't want you to believe me....just do some homework before you spout off about something you obviously know nothing about. Radar Cross Section is a well established science and relatively easy to calculate. There is RCS data on many military aircraft for example the Eurofighter Typhoon has an RCS of 0.5 m2, the Su-30 RCS is 2.0-2.5 m2. Ain't nobody detecting the F-35 at anything but eyeball range at least nose on...and when the US and Australia get it's "Loyal Wingman" project going there'll be no hope for everyone else.

[@Karl-Benny]

The Israelis and the US DOD say Stealth has a life of about 5 years where is your Source

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

The Mig 21 did not kill 121 US Phantom aircraft in Vietnam airborne operations.

[@JoeBLOWFHB]

Exactly....there were only 75 F-4 combat losses out of the 138 that were lost during the war.

[@markbrisec3972]

There's one thing I can't understand about the Eurofighter.. They were developing this powerful twin engine fighter jet in the late 80s, early 90s, and they still decided to include a single vertical tail fin. Pure nonsense..

[@craig855s]

what makes twin tails so superior?

[@thor1696]

Rafale is better then this eurofighter

[@Joshua_N-A]

That's because France's aerospace industry wasn't limited after the war. Had the German and Italian aerospace indudtries wasn't dismantled or limited after the war, they would have build the best European fighter.

[@thor1696]

@@Joshua_N-A but uk had the biggest aerospace comapany after the war and eurofighter was co developed by spain Germany uk and italy but still inferior to french rafale

[@Joshua_N-A]

@@thor1696 I assume that Six-Day War gave birth to the Rafale. Israel used to fly Dassault and had produced aces. Won't be a surprise if Israel turn the Rafale into Middle East most feared fighters had France sell it to them.

[@thor1696]

@@Joshua_N-A i guess no isreali airforce already as the 2nd highest number of f16 after us airforce and also ordered f 35 so they have no plans to buy rafale

[@Joshua_N-A]

@@thor1696 if only the pricing was different. Malaysia need to replace the aging Fulcrums or the air force won't have anything to fly. The Rafale might've been a candidate but SAAB would offer a discount on the Gripen. But due to the payment method by Malaysia, I don't think the RMAF will have a new fighter anytime soon and Rafale seems to be pricey. Malaysia barter in exchange for something. The Flankers they got was an exchange for the astronaut program as the first Malaysian to ISS was trained by the Russians.