EV owners are FLOCKING back to GAS cars... here's why

[@NomenClature-o8s]

Toyota Camry hybrid. 675 mile range. Refuels in 4 minutes.

[@oldgit15]

And a Tesla M3 Standard does 140 mpg.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@oldgit15 And you get that awesome Tesla build quality. 😂

[@mowcowbell]

And you drive 675 miles a day? Ride share driver?

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@mowcowbell Yeah, who wants range? Any idea how dumb your comment is?

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@mowcowbell Yeah, who would want long range? 😂

[@ohchord9573]

And they said, Akio Toyoda was stupid to say electric cars are not the future, and hybrids are. He finally had the last laugh

[@mrgurulittle7000]

He’s a hero, foresighted pioneer, and a true car guy.

[@jimmyg7733]

Got clowned on why I spent the money on a plug in hybrid rather than a Tesla. Cue a few months later, Tesla cuts price on new cars which tanks the entire EV market with no end in sight, still. Meanwhile I can still sell my car for MSRP over a year later 🤷‍♂️

[@OIllllO]

@ohchord9573 Yeah a lot of people said that.

[@apt62]

I have both. EV is great as a daily.

[@DreDresChapters]

Yay, go Toyota Prius 💀🤣🤦🏽‍♂️ hell no, I will literally rather go electric or combustion but whoever told you it’s hybrid is WEEEEIIRDDDD… I love my speed thank you very much

[@hectorrodriguez3244]

Wait until the government start charging tax by miles driven on our cars (it doesn’t matter if it is gas, electric or in between

[@gordonschiff3621]

You don’t understand this will be EV only. In WA they charge a $250 EV only fee to make up for lost gas tax revenue.

[@agr_]

They’re already trying to pass this here in Commiefornia

[@avery4528]

The government should charge a tax based on the miles driven multiplied by the vehicles weight. Roads cost trillions of dollars to build and maintain

[@0bzen22]

​@@avery4528Gee, how did we managed before without insane tax plans, I wonder.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@0bzen22Damn, that hits hard. The government at one time used to reinvest the tax they collected for building infrastructure instead of throwing it away to minority support subsidies, politician bonuses, and EV subsidies.

[@drumflip1253]

Can’t charge at work, can’t charge at home. Sitting in a random wal mart parking lot for hours charging each month doesn’t appeal to me. Time is money!

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

Yep, an EV is not for you, it is for alot of other people tho that have a house and driveway, time is money, I enjoy waking up to a full car each morning rather than driving to a gas station, filling up, paying and leaving. Instead I just drive where I want. When I want. EVs are awesome. You have a gas station in your back yard.

[@drumflip1253]

@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT Yep, for me and the millions of other people who park on streets, live in apartments or park in parking garages with no power. It’s not practical at all, and on road trips to the middle of the Arizona desert to visit family it’s not practical either. Isn’t a charging station for 25 miles where they live.

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

@@drumflip1253 I believe in free choice. An EV benifits me, it may not benifit others, but I do believe people that could genuinely benifit from an EV are being mislead on fears about stuff that isn't real or greatly exaggerated. Freedom is the most important thing.

[@shaunmckenna1923]

@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT Very well said , I have had my EV for almost 2 yrs no way would I go back to a gas engine car for every day use .

[@pbouska]

@@DS9FANINDADEFIANTI fully agree on free choice but what are the "fears about stuff that isn't real or greatly exaggerated"?

[@kylewallace1558]

The only people who I see complaining about EV’s, are people who have never even driven one, or people who bought an EV and didn’t think about how to reliably charge it.

[@mcsike7264]

Exactly

[@chriso5842]

Bought a used Tesla and love it, even with no home charger. No going back. Not for everyone, but superior technology in my opinion.

[@DHW256]

Get the government out of coercing the masses to pay for the welfare queens' transportation, and most of the complaints would go away.

[@abr7192]

Lack of an infrastructure in the Midwest and Northeast is the primary barrier for me.

[@DisinterestedObserver]

There is plenty of charging infrastructure in the Northeast. Traveling around New England is trivial with Tesla’s Supercharger network. Had no trouble traveling to and from northern New England to see the April eclipse.

[@ariip]

You charge at home. When traveling teslas chargers are at intervals which can get you anywhere you need to go. NONSENSE. People have traveled all over the USA for the last half a decade many when the network was much thinner than it is now. I think you have no idea or have been living under a rock.

[@smeric28]

This is enough. Though I still find it annoying how many new gas stations there are with zero lvl 3 chargers

[@rp9674]

Everyone has different situations, but I have a Chevy Bolt I've owned for almost a year haven't had to public charge yet, 259 Mi of range

[@Trashed20659]

You can't have a home charger then. That's all I need for day to day use. My car comes with 2 years of free charges from Electrify America, but I haven't had to use any of that yet.

[@moonsapling]

All of the EV enthusiasts accused the Japanese for being late to the "revolution". As if Toyota or Honda dont have years of experience and research lol.

[@rp9674]

It'd be nice if they showed it and produced some decent EVS

[@Trashed20659]

So did the designers of the Edsel.

[@sptrader6316]

Hybrid cars make the most sense right now. No range anxiety, greater range than any EV, more reliable, etc.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

Exit your ICE bubble. Much LESS reliable. Two drive systems, all the expensive maint. and repairs of ICE. The first scheduled maint. of my Chevy Bolt was 150K miles for a coolant change.

[@badboy-gn8fu]

i love my ICE mustang V8! only lil girls drive hybirds

[@fernarias]

@@davidmccarthy6061 My ice is 24 years old this year and no major repairs (it's a turbo four). It still drives great. It's been paid off for 19 years and I've saved a lot of money. My insurance is only 50 per month. I live in the central valley in california.

[@RandyOrtonsfather]

@@badboy-gn8fu I see a muscle car. I know the driver has a butt plug in and was touched by his uncle as a kid.

[@anaveragehuman2937]

@@badboy-gn8fu somebody's compensating

[@heathjohnson2575]

People I know with EVs love them and never want to switch back to ICE

[@sophieau683]

Good for them

[@JohnBradley-y9y]

@@sophieau683 Sounds like they are crazy they do catch fire and cause the death

[@electrikoptik]

Tesla fan bois: “Toyota is going bankrupt by 2025” 😂😂😂😂

[@andersonrodriguez8258]

Might be the opposite

[@ljpr360]

Tesla is more likely to stop existing before the Camry is redesigned again in 5-6 years.

[@VenomSnakee]

Tesla's opportunity was passed when it decided that the cybertruck was more important than a model 2.

[@stockey]

So does Tesla.

[@jtomtl]

Tesla fan bois lack brain cell, they need to take their pills regularly

[@markkabat7878]

Nothing should change until it’s as practical as an ice car, period.

[@whitecometify]

It already is

[@MBergyman]

Exactly. Charging a car is not rocket science.

[@Jm-cd7gi]

@@whitecometifyhow so? I’m considering buying an EV

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@MBergymanAt home charging is fine. Try charging in a city, most chargers are located in parking garages.

[@DreDresChapters]

Biased lmao. You were spoon fed gasoline, never meant there was NOT anything better

[@roybrown3391]

No Logic. If EVs were bad, then why is EU so afraid of Chinese EVs.

[@stephenplamondon8698]

I wouldn’t ever go back to gas 😂

[@Trashed20659]

Nope, I won't.👾

[@johnj2179]

I get 40mpg on my honda Accord hybrid. What more can you ask for, 530+ mile range . EV dont even come close to that range, and you are paying double the price that's going to depreciate faster than an ICE car. Sounds like EV cars are a liability rather than an asset.

[@hoofzy]

Cars are not assets.

[@ahsanmalik1013]

@@hoofzy Cars are assets if people are willing to pay more than mrsp.

[@DreDresChapters]

As a dude who has a Honda accord, I will never be sticking with it.. a Tesla has literally every down better. Century mode, cheaper, zero maintenance, absolutely keyless, one pedal driving (regen), gorgeous updates, better car software, better speakers(I absolutely love good speakers), better acceleration (Especially than a hybrid good god), & MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better ride quality…. I’ve done Uber out here in Vegas & NOT funnnn with Honda quality…..

[@mcsike7264]

lucid gets about 510 miles of range and the gravity there suv is gonna get even more so

[@tails300]

@@DreDresChaptersTesla is trash, that’s why they slashed their prices to a bargain bin level. At least they’re worth their build quality now 😂.

[@itsaboutfam]

My buddy is one of those 40% folks. He had a 2012 Model S and traded it in for a Hybrid Highlander. Reasons he ditched his Tesla: 1. Suspension repair was almost $8k 2. Battery degradation and repair cost to replace his battery. 3. Traveling charge anxiety. He likes to travel and charging his Tesla required planning for charging stations and TIME. He hated the time it takes to charge and how it lengthens his trip time to his destination. He is far more happy with his Hybrid Highlander.

[@sprockkets]

I'm a tesla hater, but the 2012 Model S is Tesla's first car they built themselves, what did that person expect LOL

[@itsaboutfam]

@@sprockkets With a little over 10 years of ownership, it would cost him a lot more to repair than a regular gas car. The main reason is he likes to travel and he values his time. Sitting and waiting 30 mins to an hour depending where he can charge it is something he couldn't get over.

[@vancity2349]

Explain in detail the 3 points you are trying to make, no general statement. What EV did he have?

[@itsaboutfam]

@@vancity2349 What does me explaining in detail on the 3 points do for you? That's something my buddy can answer because I didn't ask him specifics on the 3 details I listed.

[@bwofficial1776]

@@vancity2349 Read the original comment again. The car's model was stated. The reasons for trading said car were also stated.

[@Me-pz5by]

I have both cars, but for sure never going back to internal combustion, with EV I save a ton of money, it's a matter of facts.

[@Trashed20659]

That's my experience, and what most owners also report.

[@jimmyg7733]

I thought I was going insane at the height of the EV craze. As a lifelong car person and PC enthusiast, it was crystal clear that EV tech will progress quickly, and older EVs will be treated like an old PC. No one really wants it. And battery replacement can range in the tens of thousands. All the "gas" money they all saved does not even come close to the bath all EV owners have taken on resale value

[@sprockkets]

It's like you think gas cars don't depreciate any worse than anything else. Come back here when gas shoots up $5-10 a gallon in the US and we'll talk about depreciation.

[@jimmyg7733]

@@sprockkets Dont hold your breath. In the meantime, EV owners can enjoy the $20-30k+ loss on depreciation. That's a whole new ICE car.

[@sprockkets]

@@jimmyg7733 And when gas was sky high in 2022, used teslas were going for more than new, and the price of them new went up by thousands because of high demand. Also factored in depreciation was the $7500 tax credit all EVs received for the past 8 plus years. I could care less about depreciation - my 2003 toyota corolla went from $16,000 to $10000 in two years. Thanks to incentives from my power company, a 200 mile drive costs me $3.75, vs $21 in a 4 cylinder Kia. And that gas is $3.25.

[@bwofficial1776]

@@sprockkets Gas cars don't lose range and don't require a $20k engine replacement after 10 years. No one wants an old phone that doesn't hold a charge and has outdated tech, no one is going to want an old EV either.

[@JA-zh5xi]

Yep - between depreciation that is the fastest of any car type and increased insurance costs - it’s the dumbest purchase you can make.

[@baldheadlogic]

Charging infrastructure….Point blank…Period…

[@matrix-fh9tn]

Plus charging time & range.

[@tdhumphreys6516]

I understand merchants sold gasoline early on in America. In the Philippines away from the cities gasoline is sold by the liter Coca-Cola bottle. No pumps in the rural communities. I have witnessed outlets like Buc-ees having charging stations at their locations. It will come through determination, hard work and a willingness to provide where needed.

[@eugenefirebird8938]

@@matrix-fh9tn I don't even like waiting 5 minutes in the grocery line, much less sitting an hour at risk of being robbed at a charge station.

[@codejunki567]

​@@tdhumphreys6516 How did you go from Phillipines coke gasoline to buccees installing charging stations?? What kind of other earth analogy is that.

[@keithpvbatt2040]

I hate waiting to fill my trucks with gas! Conveniently my ev vans are full every morning ready to work 10 seconds to plugin at night! I don't like paying my employees to stop and pump gas in the morning when they can be on the jobsite working making me money. It is that simple. Avg 20 min x2 people @ 60 per hour, you do the math it adds up fast. Notice I didn't mention the cost of fuel.

[@CL-nj3zs]

All the automotive experts are saying ev resale values are plummeting. Im trying to buy a used ev and everything decent is still expensive.

[@flea4061]

My problem with EV's is the lie about the range, and it isn't enough. I want 400 consistently.

[@mcsike7264]

Do you drive 400 consistently

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

​​@@mcsike7264thank god someone said that 😂.

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

Also, I can give you 300 guarenteed every time you wake up? Without having to go to a gas station to fill up?

[@mcsike7264]

@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT these ppl think there super human or something they ever get hungry tired or need to go to the bathroom XD surprise they even stop for gas since they are in such a hurry all the time 🤣

[@RJ-vc2ju]

@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT You absolutely cannot, not at -10 or -20 during the winter in some parts of the country. Now, if Els could, AND I could charge them from 10% to 100% in 4-5 mins AND I don't need to pay 10k-20k for a new battery every 12-15 years, THEN I'll be the first one to buy one!

[@Davidsmith-mc2no]

We have 6 thousand Tesla sitting on the docks that are not moving here in Australia

[@kray97]

3:02 Our government just flat out sucks.

[@Trashed20659]

Yes, not being able to do whatever you want to anybody at any time usually does.

[@Miroslaw-rs8ip]

I have two gas powered current Lexus cars and don’t want an EV! They are crap and too problematic, I live in Canada and despite the government’s propaganda about EV’s they just aren’t practical. Besides down the road the government will want to implement Smart Cities and will be able to restrict you through these EV’s.

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

Spoken exactly like someone that has never owned an EV 😂

[@rp9674]

IPhone gassers for decades owned 3 EVS for 5 and 1/2 years, very little problem with EVS, also very little maintenance

[@Trashed20659]

you sound a little paranoid. EVs can be far more practical than cars that burn stuff and need a whole lot more maintenance than EVs. Feeling comfy about what you are used to does not make it practical. Calling names doesn't make your case either. Most of the cold weather issues have been addressed in newer model EVs, but as the tech continues to improve things will only get better. The first automobiles were rejected by many horse owners. How did that work out?

[@davidperry4013]

Electron volts all the way. The ICE is ancient technology.

[@Trashed20659]

Absolutely. And it makes sense. EVs can source their power from fossil fuels, wind, solar, geothermal and hydroelectric. ICE can only source from Saudi Arabian terrorists.

[@ediltonspencer6974]

I always felt like hybrids were the sweetspot. TOYOTA WAS RIGHT... AS ALWAYS.

[@ewxlt]

Are they right about their new truck engines blowing up? They fail at times too.

[@mcsike7264]

Toyota was right hydrogen entered the chat 💀

[@ErikOlaf-g9y]

@@ewxlt Mainly turbo charged engines blow up in hybrids, naturally aspirated engines perform well in Toyota hybrids.

[@rp9674]

Plug-in hybrid, closer

[@Trashed20659]

Until you account for the continued need to buy gas, albeit less gas, and have regular oil and filter changes, transmission service, more regular brake service, spark plugs, serpentine belts, etc. I fuel at home for less than half the price of gas, and have no routine maintenance. My drive train and battery pack are warranted for 10 years. Hybrids are like wearing half a condom.

[@sophieau683]

I don't want a car that need to be paired to a recent mobile phone with a internet plan and a credit card to go from a to b.

[@jngo4852]

Amen to that !

[@rp9674]

I don't think that exists, that's not how my EV's are

[@sophieau683]

@@rp9674 If you need to public charge? or unlock the doors? My most recent phone is android 6.0.1, the one I use to call is 2.3.4 !!!!! Green enough for you?

[@Trashed20659]

Did Apple come out with a car? Because if you are talking about EVs, those are for convenience and you do not have to use them. BTW, those things are all being put into new ICE cars as well.

[@sophieau683]

@@Trashed20659 What so great about EVs? Personally I don't give a f... about what's making my car move, as long as the car can bring me from point A to B whenever I want wherever it is.

[@Swaangin]

I was Lexus IS owner went to Tesla and I don’t plan on going back any time soon. If you don’t have the means to charge it, then you can’t drive an EV. Means to charge means charging at home or work, not relying on the supercharger network.

[@twebb726]

Yes, this is a huge issue. Feds used $7B of our tax money for the program and have built exactly 7-8 in two years. Pathetic and shows not serious about it, but want the perception they are very serious.

[@jlamm2223443]

@@twebb726 I think most has yet to be sent so there is hope

[@ImLivinSD]

@Swaangin, I guess the vast majority of us Americans aren't buying them then. This is consistent with sales # across the US. Or it's that they are too tech laden and expensive to own, insure, and fix.

[@rxonmymind8362]

Wait till you have to replace the battery.

[@jlamm2223443]

@@rxonmymind8362 Yes, but with nio you can do it in 3 minutes. There is no real reason for this on most EVs. With some million mile batteries, I would think leasing would be a better option.

[@CHATO629]

They should go to Hybrids like the Camry or Accord.

[@rp9674]

At least plug-in hybrids

[@CHATO629]

@@rp9674 Wasn't he just talking about Plug in and how Inconvenient they are?

[@Trashed20659]

If you can charge at home go full EV. If you can't, hybrid is a logical option.

[@Trashed20659]

@@rp9674 To get the most from plug-ins, you need a charger, and if you have that why not go full EV? I don't get plugin hybrids. They are like half a condom.

[@ronochow]

Gas, gas, gas, I'm gonna step on the gas, tonight ill fly, and be your lover

[@seogabonotjah6555]

Initial d 5th stage

[@williamcricket7931]

COOL VIBRATIONS

[@expomm]

Gas? Diesel bro!

[@ariip]

Sorry, but my ev suv which seats 7 does 0-60 in under 3 seconds and passes a hellcat and all but supercars on the highway. Also costs me 1/4 of what your gas sedan (nevermind a gas suv) does to fuel and its brakes will last over 200k miles. I think one could say you are a fool. Might be a legitimate statement. Sorry, but smarter people make better lovers and that you are not. Not to mention that by ev and all teslas are safer than any gas car (go look it up, not even close) and also have better handling, stability and are less likely to get in an accident than any gas car so we will survive in greater numbers than you. Survival of the fittest.

[@ritardstrength5169]

SPEEDY SPEED BOY

[@ilollipop100]

"Just one chocolate pretzel...." The reason some people don't want EVs is because they're happy with what they've got. Imagine eating a chocolate pretzel and having someone come and constantly insist you rather eat a salty pretzel. You can't make someone want something, especially if they're happy with what they have.

[@ImLivinSD]

Spot on.Alas, this Govt administration is going to screw everyone over in the end.

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

Yep. Sadly people are blind to change, I agree. But like the horse and the automobile. Soon people will realise.

[@petera5560]

@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT Everything has gone up, automobiles, insurance, electric bills, and so on. EVs are one reason for all of these more expensive bills.

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

@petera5560 EVs are not a reason for more bills idk how you can think that.

[@Jmort93]

Love your anecdote! 😂 5:25

[@theplayernkc]

There is just no replacement to pulling up to a gas pump and having your vehicle full of fuel in 10 min or less. With an EV, plan a lunch and some shopping while you're charging up your vehicle. I see EV charging stations becoming a high crime area soon.

[@asajayunknown6290]

Already are. Late at night. Clipping the cables for the copper

[@ariip]

Duh. A bathroom break and lunch stop takes more time than it does to charge. I have to spend 10 minutes watching the pump, whereas I do not have to wait with car while it charges. Therefore you spend more time gassing than I do charging because I am doing something else. Crime? Where did that come from. Well, get out of that crappy neighborhood you live in.

[@ariip]

LOL. You are really in never never land.

[@theplayernkc]

@@ariip Nobody want's to hit the head and go shopping every time they need to fuel up their vehicle. I only said 10 min as that counts for the time to drive into the gas station, get out of the car, pay, pump and leave. Yes those charging point are going to start being a breading ground for theft, especially if they see a person sitting in a vehicle alone. People are struggling right now everywhere in the US, doesn't matter where anyone lives, crime finds the wealthy areas and EV owners are considered wealthy people to a criminal.

[@theplayernkc]

@@minimalist0000 Not if they are going out of town or any long distance trip.

[@aquatrax123]

It doesn't help that New Jersey is punishing EV owners by charging a registration fee of $290 per year. An ICE car cost ~$75 per year.

[@Seriously140]

That is absurd. A car is a car.

[@cychang3475]

The cost of road maintenance should be shared by all car owners. ICE car owners contribute that in the form of gas tax.

[@cjmhall]

Makes sense: EV owners don't contribute to infrastructure maintenance via the gas tax. They arguably contribute more to road wear and tear since they are heavier than the equivalent ICE car.

[@bwofficial1776]

@@Seriously140 It's not absurd. Infrastructure and maintenance are funded by gas taxes. EVs aren't paying gas taxes but are using the roads so they need to pay up the difference.

[@JWFas]

While the annual fee seems high, there are some details you omitted: 1. The annual EV fee is currently $250. It will increase $10/year until it hits $290 in 2028. 2. NJ residents do not have to pay sales tax on full BEVs. That state assesses the standard 6.625% sales tax on vehicle purchases. On an average-priced new vehicle ($48000) that's a tax savings of $3180. If you use the $290 figure, that's 11 years of registration fees.

[@petezee6645]

It’s amazing how auto CEOs got completely caught up in the EV hype curve, pivoted entire companies to EV production. 3 years later they are reading this impressive report and realize they 💩 the bed

[@rp9674]

I've been caught up in the EV reality for 5 and 1/2+ years, it's very nice

[@Trashed20659]

Complete nonsense. They are as committed as ever.

[@rp9674]

2 that didn't get caught up in the EV hype, Stillanus & Nissan aren't doing well

[@MyUtubeScott]

Its kind funny, everybody want more supercharging/fast DC charching but thats what destroys batteries. Up North because its cold batteries dont hold charge well, but down South heat destroys batteries. It appears that California is the perfect place to own EV.

[@rp9674]

It is easier in california, but a lot of people are doing well in cold states, fast charging not as hard on batteries as originally thought, most people do a majority of their charging at home

[@Trashed20659]

Home charging is what makes the EV cheaper to own, and level 2 charging is the safest... for now!

[@Vickielindstrander]

The Chinese say electric vehicles are like moving surveillance cameras.

[@pekopan00]

If you have high enough social credit you can drive your car, but you if you don't, sorry you'll have to walk

[@oldgit15]

What is done to EVs specifically that can't be done to ICE cars?

[@AttlasAllux]

@@oldgit15 ICE cars' small battery means electrical (surveillance) systems operate only when the vehicle is motion. EV's can be on 24/7.

[@Vickielindstrander]

@@AttlasAllux For example, imagine how much it would harm national interests if military personnel were to use Chinese EV.

[@AttlasAllux]

@@Vickielindstrander loose lips have always sunk ships, so yes, you're absolutely right. But something tells me military, intelligence, patent personnel, other public servants will be strongly encouraged NOT to buy Chinese (not that they need strong encouragement to buy American). But I live in CANADA, and the CCP practically owns the place thanks to Trudeau. I wouldn't be surprised if he announces he's bought tanks and jets from China.

[@madlucio70]

I have owned a PHEV for over a year and absolutely love it. I live in a location with temperature ranges from -30c to +40c, snow and strong storms and I have never had issues or stress with my PHEV. I see no reason to go to full EV as of yet. I also put on over 35k's a year, so I drive quite a bit in the city, on light offroad and highway.

[@ariip]

Wonderful. But guess what, there is something even better. You just need to open your eyes and learn some new things. Unless you prefer to stick in your old ways. PHEVs are just gas cars with a little bit of ev stuck in. A frankenstein if you will. A compromise for multiple things. Rather than having the best of the best with one thing. Kind of obvious if it did not occur to you. We own 2 Tesla evs. over 140k miles. No gas for 5 years and no maintenance. You still have a gas car, plus an ev crammed in to the same body. Less space as a result. More problems, more complicated. You have 2 cars worth of parts and complication. Is that better? I think a 5 year old would understand why that is not a good thing. BTW, we can drive all over the country, in winter, in summer, does not matter. The fact is our car is going to handle better, be better in the snow due to the physics, balance etc. Our evs are also the safest cars ever tested; not even close.

[@Trashed20659]

To get the most from plug-ins, you need a charger, and if you have that why not go full EV? I don't get plugin hybrids. They are like half a condom.

[@madlucio70]

@@Trashed20659 I finally went full EV actually. I picked up my new EV last week and it has been amazing so far.

[@coniccinoc]

I gave away my Honda gas lawn mower last year, went electric. My lawn is hilly that was more than a match for the electric's self propel and the battery died after a few uses. Went back to ICE. This soured the EV car waters for me.

[@rp9674]

Eevee's have a little bit bigger battery than a lawn mower, have you seen the 0 to 60 times ?

[@coniccinoc]

@@rp9674 A couple of years ago I had a house built. I had the garage wired for electrical cars knowing one day soon I will be making the switch. Just not today.

[@Trashed20659]

Gotta do your homework. I went full Electric mower also. I bought enough batteries based on expectations, and it has worked out fine for me. My snapper self propelled does a fine job, and I no longer choke from the fumes of engines that have no emissions controls, and boy did I ever before.

[@coniccinoc]

@@Trashed20659 Parts of my lawn are sloped. The Toro had to be pushed. My ice Honda has no problem and I haven't choked once.

[@ReiGon-vi2np]

Toyota hybrids are the way

[@wallbangerzsports]

Na Toyota is trash now. Honda V6 for life

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@wallbangerzsportsToyota isnt trash.

[@snow-uq4gx]

​@@wallbangerzsportshonda hybrid damm good as well as Toyota

[@dezza718]

Hybrids are shit

[@DreDresChapters]

Tf is a hybrid. Just pick

[@fortheloveofnoise]

1 billion per charger.. The American goverment way 😂

[@rp9674]

False comment, easily disprovable

[@1798iscomingback]

When you need a huge effort from government (increase gas prices, increase ICE cars prices, huge tax benefits for EVs, etc) to move the market to buy a product instead of the market going there by itself, ones should ask first WHY the market doesn't want to go there... Huge mistake to think government is wiser than the market ..... Deciding what power vehicles is completely out of government scope, it is a abhorrent overreach ...

[@Flyeaglesfly00]

The market doesn't want to go there bc it has no incentive to change without government intervention. A good government keeps the predatory nature of capitalism in check.

[@1798iscomingback]

@@Flyeaglesfly00 But who keeps the predatory nature of the government in check? It is the market that controls the market. Only the fear of the competition running you out of the business makes you work to be better than your competition. Giving more power to government in order it will make the market behave is like expecting a wolf to carry you load of sausage... You end up with bad market and bad government.... Too much power always leads to too much corruption...

[@Flyeaglesfly00]

@1798iscomingback the people keep the government in check. There are always people looking to deregulate and cut government size and spending. The government doesn't control the market it is expediting a process to which the only incentive I can see from a marketing perspective is the idea that this is the future and it's clean. Adding further incentive doesn't hinder the market in anyway

[@1798iscomingback]

@@Flyeaglesfly00 Did you miss the last 20 years? The government fully control the auto industry, the pharma industry, etc.... and there is nothing the common citizern can do to change because the v ot ing m ach ines are r igg ed.

[@dmimcg]

Going back to gas cars and back to electing a president in November that doesn't wear diapers.

[@Trashed20659]

Which now means tRUMP

[@kibbles5724]

@dmimcg yeah can't wait to see Kamala as president! 😍

[@Trashed20659]

@@kibbles5724 me either! I'm not a misogynist!

[@ThePilotGear]

if you keep your car for 15-20 years, depreciation isn't even a thought, and I'd highly recommend anyone who buys a car (EV or ICE) to have a long-term expectancy to their purchase. Better for everyone financially, you learn how to service it yourself, you take better care of it, and you're more inclined to repair it (or have it repaired) when things break. If your battery fails, replace it and keep on going.

[@streamingvideo6654]

VW is also refocusing on ICE.

[@raybojr1]

Where did the infrastructure money go??? In politicians and corporations' pockets. And we wonder why.

[@BarnStangz]

My mother picked up a new '25 Camry, that is the way to go. The only reason I would EVER not go Hybrid and do pure EV would be if charging was free at work.

[@0bzen22]

Not even. 'If I could charge at home', that's my threshold. And I can, but I don't need to. Charging at work... Yeah, not when there are 20 others competing for the spot. And I wouldn't buy one, I'd lease one. Or even better, buy a dirt-cheap second-hand EV, charge at home, and do my 10-20 miles commuting.

[@BarnStangz]

@@0bzen22 I've thought about getting a used Tesla, since they are in the high teens to low twenties now, I guess we'll see... It would be pretty perfect since my round trip commute is only 20 miles.

[@ilollipop100]

Free charging at work? Nothing is free... someone will be paying...

[@BarnStangz]

@@ilollipop100 Well yeah, tax payers like me I guess...

[@rp9674]

EVS are even better, I've owned gassers for decades, don't miss it

[@sticks2478]

The car I just sold was 16 years old. It still ran perfect. It was pretty cheap to run and super reliable (Japanese). An EV battery lasts ten years. My old car if not crashed could easily go on another 10 years. So just so we're all on the same page. Its WAY better for the environment to dig up all the materials and rare earth minerals for cars that last ten years over a car that lasts 25. Ok

[@Drg24800]

Don’t forget about all the screens and tech that they rely on too! Who knows how expensive it would be to repair/replace that.

[@stoundingresults]

I was having a hell of a time getting my 1995 nissan truck to pass smog test in commiefornia. Went to a good mechanic and $300 repair and air sensor means the truck will last years to come. $300 vs $30k to buy another vehicle.

[@rp9674]

The environmental mining concerns has been debunked, they're not made out of air but it's also not dirtier than gas

[@clintcollins81]

Not this EV driver. I love my Model Y.

[@gabrielspiropol9418]

On my 2nd leased Hybrid vehicle now. Started with the ‘21 Venza XLE, 3 yrs later on the ‘24 Limited which will be a keeper for me and likely my last new ride. Hybrid technology is as far as I’ll go, will not go all in on EV ever ! Gas is cheap here and will go back down after the next election. Avg 37- 42 mpg with a lead foot. 👍

[@djsone3499]

I'm all for there being options out there. I just don't have any interest in changing the type of car I've been driving for decades, and my only problem will be if I get forced into them because CAFE rules get so strict a sedan can't have any gas engine at all. Already we went from 8 cylinders down to 6, then down to 4, and now some are even getting down to 3. I think there is room for both powertrains on the market in the long term. There's no reason it has to be all or nothing.

[@Trashed20659]

Well, if you don't believe in global warming, you might think it unnecessary, but we are a nation of drivers.

[@Motorheaddoc]

I have zero charging concerns in the 6 years of EV ownership. Then again we are fortunate to have a few cars, not just an EV

[@rp9674]

5 1/2 years, 3 EVs, got rid of my gas car I was keeping for backup, never used it

[@prettyridesmedia]

Who plugs in their phone and watches it charge ?? Same goes for EVs

[@paisleyplastic]

99% home ownership guess is crazy. what a disconnected take

[@AcuraAddicted]

An EV is a great commuter car. Nothing more. But with affordability, charging infrastructure, residual value still lacking, combined with increased insurance premiums, rising electricity costs and proposed "per mile" taxes EVs have basically hit a huge roadblock in adoption.

[@mowcowbell]

Rising electric costs? Ours dropped by .03 per kWH. Down from .14 to .11.

[@wolfpacknation900]

You can charge at home for super cheap off peak hours...

[@wyw201]

@@mowcowbell Ours have been rising since 2019.

[@rp9674]

Also good for all your vehicle requirements

[@mowcowbell]

@@wyw201 Ours dropped due to the decrease in cost of natural gas. 33% of the grid power here comes from wind farms.

[@Ravenx217]

i always see teslas charging outside shopping centers with their drivers on their phone lol wonder how much of their time they lose per year charging

[@rp9674]

I'm an EV owner, I wonder what people's charging habits are I think some people buy EVs with no home charging and only charge at fast charging, seems a little weird to me, whatever works.

[@waynerice4918]

Here in Comifornia electric rates are high and are going up again.

[@rp9674]

Gas is even higher

[@mrgurulittle7000]

I remember when the US and EU placed high tariffs and import limitations to Japanese cars in the 70s and 80s and still have some of those limitations today. They did that to a completely militarily neutral country who just made a better car than they did. In that perspective I think China, who is a literary military threat, should get more limitations with their EVs in US and EU. It only makes sense.

[@twebb726]

EV owners show that they don't have critical thinking skills IMO. A little foresight would go a long ways, like more than 300 miles :)

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

My EV has 350 miles of range (390 "stated" but we all know that's crap) I wake up. Every day, to a full charge. Don't need to do anything. I essentially have a gas pump on my driveway. Nothing beats that.

[@rp9674]

Most of us have driven gassers, in my case for decades so we have a basis for comparison, seems logical

[@rp9674]

​@@DS9FANINDADEFIANTdo you think anyone's ever "lied" about MPG on a gas car

[@badboy-gn8fu]

who tf wants to buy a used EV?! if you get one you have to worry about the battery and if you need to replace it, which you do, will cost you over $25k or more!

[@hongchan1202]

No one. EVs are a waste right now.

[@mcsike7264]

Plenty of ppl buy used evs and they are just fine ppl blow the whole battery thing up way too much

[@badboy-gn8fu]

@@mcsike7264 im not surprised..there will always be people who buy shit

[@vstromanqc]

You can analyzed the battery SOH (State of Health) in details and if fine, it will be ok to buy a used EV, much cheaper than new.

[@badboy-gn8fu]

@@vstromanqc but it will not be fine. If you think a ten yr old EV doesn't need a battery replacement you're delusional. It's cheap for a reason, because the battery is almost dead and you'll be paying $25k or more to replace it. There are ICE vehicles with engines built in the 80s that are still on the road today..

[@robertsample42]

F.J.B. and his EV’S

[@franknew9001]

Let's Go Brandon!! 😊😊

[@witsendcottage595]

Excellent!

[@futurefirm]

I'm voting for Biden lol. Fck the cult 😂😂😂

[@jerryfieldz7701]

Not me, I love my tesla model x, my fiance loves their model 3, we have absolutely no intention on going back to a gas vehicle. We have tesla wall charger at-home in our driveway. We charge at home 99% of the time so we could care less if there's a charging station on every corner. We still have gas cars but we literally never drive them.

[@flattire707]

Same here with Model 3LR/FSD.

[@FreddieD-k5p]

EVs is a bad idea. It always was a bad idea. Some people have to go through the school of hard knocks to learn that.

[@rp9674]

5 1/2 years of great EVs ownership, I guess I'll learn someday. I found gassers for decades, how long have you driven EVS

[@FreddieD-k5p]

@@rp9674 I have confidence that you will, but first get an education. Learn some physics and the golden rule of building any vehicle. Build them light and strong.

[@herta3286]

As an EV user, I can say you're dead wrong

[@hoofzy]

Id be curious what EVs they are dumping. The Kias and Ioniq are nice. The charging concerns are real. Home charging is the convenience. Supercharging is overrated. If you don't have either local you shouldn't have tried an EV anyway. I'm also tired of hearing about the federal program. They awarded money to the wrong horses. For me supercharging cost is double home charging but still over a dollar cheaper when compared to gas prices. The fuel savings in the first year paid for the home charger. I 100% agree on the way to EV is to lease. Especially if it is it is not a Tesla. I own an EV and have no desire to go back to an ICE Car, as slow as they are. I'll take my no transmission, no oil, no waiting in line for gas 30 minutes sucking in fumes, driving with one pedal and instant torque. Everything else is is just flavor.

[@jlamm2223443]

Researching it a bit, much of those billions for chargers has not been spent yet.

[@davidhalley9795]

I drove my ICE to California in 2020 from east coast and became surrounded by EVs. I thought about buying an EV but my closest family is farther than the ranges of anything affordable. Plus my suv is manual so nothing new can replace it.

[@dwnrange7812]

Thank you for addressing the often neglected drivers who just don’t have access to a home charger, relying on $$ public charging. There can be no mass adoption until this issue is resolved.

[@JogBird]

i mean you go from being a slave to gas stations to being a slave to ev charging stations

[@asajayunknown6290]

And that's if we can possibly find enough copper, nickel, etc. to build both the vehicles and the infrastructure. Peter Zeihan thinks it'll take a ten-fold increase in production of copper alone. Doubtful that it's even possible.

[@hoofzy]

Everyone has to research their area for viability of driving an EV at this point in the adoption. I am glad you know your challenges where you are. I had access to supercharging that is still cheaper than gas and the capability to install a home charger so EV is a no brainer to me.

[@ariip]

I meet many tesla owners who can not charge at home and what do they do, go to a supercharger once or twice a week and wait for half an hour while making phone calls, watching video in their tesla or playing games in the cars system. They have fun. Worth it for the better vehicle, saving money, being safer and not driving a horse and buggy anymore. Who cares. Be the fool. That is your loss.

[@rp9674]

California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have passed right-to-charge laws aiming to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.

[@dominicsantiago6506]

My wife and I both purchased Kia EV6's about ten months ago. We never thought we would own an EV until we test drove one. We charge from home daily but when we go on a longer road trip some planning is involved and we definitely suffer from range anxiety . We lease both of them like to get new cars every three years. I don't recommend a two household EV's . The next time I will get a hybrid and she will stick with EV. I love mine but the charging infrastructure isn't where it needs to be yet for us to have two at this point. Long trips are a bit scary if you can't find a charging station and it has to work when you get there.

[@rp9674]

Depends, we have a short-range EV and a long-range EV, I got rid of my gas car, never used it

[@MR3DDev]

One thing EV lovers dont understand is EVs are not convenient for the avg person. Not everyone owns a home with a garage and much less people one to spend on modifying their home to add fast charging. On top of that most people I know who own EVs also have another gas powered car or hybrid. This is the result of government trying to force the hand of the market. Myself I am waiting for EV prices to come down, like Chinese level down cause these are pretty much smartphones on wheels.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

I agree. I like my EV for what it's worth, but the EV 'fanboys' 'fanatics' 'cult' makes me ashamed, with their obvious vanity plates, being in California. I'd key their car too. They're utterly annoying with how they think, and act surprised there's a coalition of people (and growing) that are sick of their smugness.

[@seanthompson8071]

I have a garage ... and I could afford a charger installation. But I can't afford to replace my house and all contents when the EV catches fire and burns it all down. 🔥

[@sprockkets]

@@seanthompson8071 You have a much higher chance of your gas car going up in flames than an EV

[@vancity2349]

Can you gas up your ice engine at home?

[@seanthompson8071]

@@sprockkets i highly doubt that. Source?

[@CruiseControl1]

After 51,000 miles gas free, I will never go back to gas for my daily. However my fun car is an nb1 Miata, 5speed, LSD, hard dog roll bar. Point is both have their place

[@ilollipop100]

The opposite of being an environmentalist....

[@mowcowbell]

The right tool for the job, yes sir!

[@skimonkey5855]

my ice mechanic is 50% LESS THAN THE DEALERS FOR REPAIRS N MAINTENANCE. Not many EV mechanics w their own shops yet.

[@mcsike7264]

Not many things to brake in a ev m8

[@rp9674]

There are a few independent shops, if that's the point. It's a good problem to have that there's not enough EVS needing repairs

[@rp9674]

Would go to a conventional mechanic for suspension or shared component type concerns

[@tspidey007]

So where are all those guys who told me that I was full of 💩 for saying that full BEVs were not even close for mass adoption and usage?

[@rp9674]

I wouldn't say full, depends on your definition of mass

[@rp9674]

... and your location, Burbank California is EV central, it's like a look into the future

[@AmericanDuck]

In San Diego, it’s about $0.64/Kwh if you include the transmission fee from home. Yes, it’s the most expensive electricity in the country. I haven’t seen the supercharger rates here, but it’s more for sure. So Model 3 is about $48 to fill from empty at your house and SDG&E is raising the rates even more this year. About $15.36 per 100 miles on flat ground. My mom’s old 2006 CRV gets about 20mpg combined so that’s about $24.95 per 100 miles on $4.95/gal gas. So you pay slightly higher energy fees with no range anxiety if you stick with ICE. Maintenance is the one key advantage until you figure out that you are going through tires like crazy in an EV. They also want to institute a per-mile charge here to make up for the loss in gas tax revenue and already charge you a higher annual registration fee for an EV over ICE to recoup lost gas tax revenue. EV is a scam inside California to control how and when you can drive. The rich early adopters got cheap mileage and government kickbacks while the poor are going to struggle trying to find a way to charge these things and deal with the government finding a way into you car’s driving data. It’s getting crazy in CA so I’m not sticking around for this and many other reasons. EVs are not ready for mass consumption or mandates. They are a great second car for the upper middle class, so let’s just give up on the mandates already and let the market decide.

[@busetgadapet]

people forget solar panel exist

[@AmericanDuck]

@@busetgadapet solar won’t charge your car at night if you live in an apartment without a garage and a 240v outlet in it. Most apartment management will not install a charging station. I have solar at home, but it’s not paid off yet. Without some major battery backup like a couple Tesla Walls for an exorbitant price, you would still have to charge your car in off-peak solar hours and still have to pay the cost of the Kwh and transmission fee per kWh. If you are grandfathered into getting paid for what you sell back to the power company, you still have to pay the transmission fees. Solar is only the answer if you can afford the entire self-contained system for around $75-$100k. It’s a rich person’s playground. Can you do it cheaper than a Power Wall, yes, but it’s a large task for the common homeowner and batteries are not the easiest thing to maintain if they see daily use and how the weather is affecting ambient temperature. It’s more than a common man can do without help these days from a professional that knows how to manage power banks.

[@alexsystems2001]

I genuinely considered an EV… I currently have a 2007 Lexus LS460L. I can easily go 500 miles on one tank of fuel. It takes minutes to fill up. I recently went to Oklahoma from California and back. It took 23 hours with only stops for fuel and food each way. Could you imagine how much time that would have added if I had an EV? I’ve gone from California to Washington, California to South Dakota etc. I only get so much vacation time every year, I don’t want to add days to a trip because I have to charge my car. I even recently went on a trip to the sequoia national forest in California. The hotel I stayed at in the park was literally ran on a diesel generator. There was no EV charging there. I just don’t think EV’s fit every lifestyle. Additionally, my car has nearly 200,000 miles. Maybe a delicately cared for battery could last that long but I doubt it. So I’d most likely have spent money to replace the battery by this point in time. Also, my commute used to be 180 miles a day, sometimes I visit and check in with my grandparents, making my total miles driven in one day over 300 miles. That means I’d have to charge my car on top of commuting and visiting family, I’m tired, I wanna go home and relax. Also my household has 4 cars, 2 park on the street, where would they charge? As for a used EV, how do I know the exact health and state of the battery? It could be good today and be bad tomorrow.

[@DS9FANINDADEFIANT]

An EV doesn't sound like it's for you. Really what people need is consumer choice. The biggest benifit of an EV is cheap electricity at home, and always waking up with ~250 miles. If that isn't suitable, then EV infrastructure isn't there yet. It will be. One day. But not now. Till then, I will say now that on average the batteries outlast the cars (or have been the case for about 10 years now) which I think is cool, but makes sense if you think that all manufacturers warranty a battery for 8 years or 100,000 miles which is more than you'll ever get for a combustion car. As someone that used to own a gas car and switched to electric about 10 years ago, I would never go back, technology is always improving. And one day a consistent 500 mile EV will be possible. It costs too much right now though. But as I say, one day.

[@rp9674]

I plug in my EV in my driveway at night, it's charged in the morning. If you spend 10 hours a day in your car and don't take many breaks, maybe Eevee's aren't for you

[@timothykeith1367]

Toyota is promising its 2027 generation of hybrids will use radically more efficient gasoline engines using combustion engineering learned from its hydrogen research

[@rp9674]

Yet still not as efficient as EVs

[@paranoidhumanoid]

Starting to see an uptick in mid-90s right hand driver JDM in NY now. 👍

[@ccc_sss_111]

Ppl thinking they are early adapters now realize they have been too early.

[@rp9674]

Now I realize I don't need as much range or charging as I thought I did and I really appreciate my 2023 Chevy Volt

[@MNDrummer]

We don't have the infrastructure for EVs. Good luck to those companies wanting to produce nothing but EVs. I think GM is talking about this. They just wrote off over half the nation as customers. We are having brownouts and blackouts all over the U.S. We don't build refineries, we don't build power plants. Our nation is moving in a very bad direction and we are going to regret it if we don't get some common sense and change direction.

[@austinpowers1999]

Calling bullshit. Tesla forever

[@swiftuiforever]

McKinsey is same consulting firm that predicted not even a million users would be using a cell phone

[@andersonrodriguez8258]

More like 50% and more

[@FeLiX13sLaVe]

Is that the number your study found?

[@MBergyman]

Loving this dropping of EV values. Looking forward to upgrading from my Bolt to an actually NICE EV in a year or so. Thinking the RZ450 of EV6 GT will be a great step up. I have other gas cars if I need them. Family car is a 2018 top spec Atlas, it does great!

[@kbarrett1844]

EVs: 1. Cost more to purchase 2. Are Less Reliable 3. Cost more to Insure 4. Deplete Rare Earth Elements 5. Depreciate Faster 6. Cost More to Repair 7. Damage Roads more -- What's not to like? - Cool tech, but not ready for prime time for the majority of consumers.

[@philipershler420]

But hybrids answer most of those questions. I recently sold my 2014 Prius. For 10 years, the vehicle needed nothing more than oil and fluid changes and a few sets of tires, NO other repairs. And I realized over 40% of what I paid for it when it was new. So I bought a new Prius. 🤣

[@ChadTV-vi7lk]

Currently 1. EV are cheaper with the tax credits so stop pulling shit out of your ass! 2. EV are definitely more reliable. 3. is 100% correct some insurance stop taking Tesla on new policies. 4. Who cares is anyone else using the rare earth for anything? 5. once again you are correct. 6 100% Correct. Hell most EV gets totaled quickly which is bad for the environment. 7. Really? It's a non issue. 8. EV pollutes more with their tires. 9. Electric rates only go up unlike gas. Your argument had 4 valid points but you went and fked it up with shit. As an EV and Gas car owner I see both sides.

[@jamesallen8838]

No idea where you get your infor My real world ownership NONe of your items are true for me

[@sprockkets]

1. True 2. False 3. False 4. False 5. Debateable 6. Debateable - Have fun with the current crop of turbo engines with DI, two sets of fuel injectors, a CVT, and the wonderful new tech of a lubricated timing belt 7. False

[@rt.sd712]

1. Nowadays, that depends 2. I've driven 60,000 mi on my Model 3 and yet to have something break 3. True 4. Debatable 5. Cars are a depreciating asset across the board 6. There's less parts that can "break" in the first place 7. Bold claim, but false

[@1973Hog]

5:54 One factor that most analyses of EV depreciation fails to account for the fact that the prices for EVs in 2022 was absurdly high. However since then prices have declined to a more reasonable level which for those who purchased at the peak have experienced the dramatic decline. I would argue that EV depreciation will decrease to more moderate levels going forward. A factor that could inhibit this could be the continued innovation with new battery technologies that could make older EVs less desirable or even obsolete.

[@margopetras2300]

And this is why u stick with a SIMPLE gas engine, everything is much easier all the way around.

[@rp9674]

Nothing easier than - I come home from work I plug in, I unplug it in the morning before I leave

[@DM-fv7hw]

If you look into the data, it's 30K people responding in 15 countries. It really isn't a story.

[@seanthompson8071]

Now, if we could just go back to more manual transmissions. 😉

[@TrilithiumBanditKelsey]

You made a good point about charging at home; if we didn't have a house with a charger, we'd just get a Lexus or something. Depreciation. That's pretty much across the board right now. But, the EV market is volatile. Our experience with Tesla... we're about to hit 100k mi., and no issues except changing the tires, wipers, greasing some ball-joints, and adding washer-fluid, all of which you can do yourself... and not one trip to a busted-ass dealership... can't beat it.

[@jesterapp]

Honestly the answer to the carbon emissions and oil dependence problem was always to sack up and ride scooters and bikes. There should be like a school program where kids 16+ in HS can ride 50cc vespas as an elective and after a school year get a license for scooters up to 450cc. The other side of the planet has kids riding motorscooters in the Asian hemisphere. Spain is like this too. Why do Americans uniquely need such large domiciles on wheels all the time?

[@xiondFirst]

Because it's designed that way. Schools are far away from homes and parents don't feel safe enough to send their kids out alone.

[@bwofficial1776]

Because the United States is an order of magnitude larger than European or Asian countries with a fraction of the population density. Drive for 30 minutes in Europe and you're halfway across the country, drive for 30 minutes in the US and you're in the next town. We don't all live on top of each other in cities. Scooters and bikes can't be ridden in bad weather and have almost no carrying capacity.

[@jesterapp]

@@bwofficial1776 China is a bigger country than the USA and Bikes and scooters don't just melt in the rain. You can absolutely ride in the wet and dress for it.

[@rp9674]

Walk, live in a medieval village, raise your own food

[@paulstein9258]

I went back to the gas turbo Highlander after having a hybrid. Not worth the loss of driving enjoyment.

[@rp9674]

You should try driving in EV, it's very nice

[@Tectonicia]

Hybrids over EV's all day everyday.

[@handlemonium]

2027: Plug-in EV range will double

[@rp9674]

If it suits you, I love EVs

[@mreburto239]

EV’s only make sense if you live in California, have a long daily commute and can install home charging. Nobody is talking about having to replace EV tires after 5k miles. KBB says don’t buy an Ev unless you can home charge. It’s an expensive toy for wealthy folks. For anyone on the fence, watch KZbin videos of EV owners home charging. You get a good sense of if you want to go through the hassle of ownership or not.

[@rp9674]

No one's talking about tires because you never need to change the tires every 5,000 miles, there are many ways to charge. Every building is wired with electricity, it's just a matter of getting an outlet or putting in chargers. One of my first EVs was $8,000, but I'm California rich. California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have passed right-to-charge laws aiming to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.

[@charlesjackson1700]

EV/Battery vehicles are trash 🗑️..🤮

[@rp9674]

Unless you ask someone that's owned one

[@charlesjackson1700]

@@rp9674 I never ask for a fool's opinion...😝

[@rp9674]

California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have passed right-to-charge laws aiming to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.

[@benchampion4086]

I plan to stay with gas powered vehicles.

[@eugenefirebird8938]

I have 3 gas, no e.

[@rp9674]

Just that easy, you don't have to call names or quote false statistics

[@SamKhoury]

5:52 Thank you for saying that you should only lease EVs. I've gotten into online arguments with EV evangelists about this who insist that you should buy them. On top of the reasons you gave for leasing, what will happen to the value of current EV models in a few years if Toyota releases an EV with a solid state battery that can fully charge in a few minutes instead or hours? I wouldn't want to own an EV with current battery tech if that happens. Leasing protects you from getting stuck with an EV with outdated battery/charging technology.

[@rp9674]

Lease, if you hate money

[@SamKhoury]

​@@rp9674That was an amazingly detailed response. Yes, generally leasing is a waste of money but for EVs every lease gets the $7500 federal tax credit assuming the leasing company passes it onto the leasee and the depreciation on EVs has been much faster than ICE/hybrid cars so I wouldn't want to risk losing a lot of money on buying a new EV unless I was sure I'd be keeping it for 6+ years. Unfortunately many people who bought new EVs the past few years have watched their resale value get killed so many people who took out loans to buy one now have loans that are now under water so they'd lose a lot of money if they sell them. For example, the people who bought the Tesla Model Y long range in Dec 2022 lost over $18k in price cuts in less than a year ($66k in Dec 2022 vs $49k in Oct 2023) and that doesn't include regular depreciation. If they had leased instead then they wouldn't have been stuck with an EV worth much less than they paid for it. People who bought 2022 Kia EV6 between $50k and $60k have seen there value drop by more than half in 2 years. I could give plenty of other examples of EVs which lost a lot of money.

[@davemiller6121]

The way I read it is that more than half the people are staying with EV. It's easier to look at the negative. The real negative is that exhaust is bad. You wouldn't stay in a closed space with a running ice vehicle, let's not mention diesel. You just had a historic tornado season, there are fires on the West Coast and Florida is flooding. It might be time to do something different and stop sticking your heads in the sand.

[@nelsonortas4796]

I keep hearing EV prices have plunged.... hmmmmmm.... WHERE? Because I certainly don't see lower EV prices in California? Let me know where I can buy one 50% - 60% lower...lol

[@DUEL.FATALIS]

The worst part is every 10-20 years you have to buy a 80+KwH PROPRIETARY replacement battery. Anywhere between $10K-$30K just for the battery. My 23 year old Toyota just runs.

[@star9732]

Not a whole lot of people keeping their vehicles 23 years.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

@@star9732wanna bet? I have a 27 year old F-350 Powerstroke, and in another 25 years, I will still have my 1997 F-350.

[@star9732]

@@JAMESWUERTELE average is 8 years. You are an outlier.

[@DUEL.FATALIS]

@@star9732 a lot of people buy 20+ year old cars, it’s not necessarily about keeping them, more about their useful lifetime. Given the price of the batteries I’d imagine the useful lifetime of an electric car will be significantly shorter than an ICE vehicle. Electric cars will be piling up in junkyards and landfills. I certainly wouldn’t buy one.

[@star9732]

@@DUEL.FATALIS i agree, unless battery prices come way down EVs are basically worthless in 10-12 years.

[@TheLilleyPad]

I’m not saying this to make anyone angry. From my experience with this whole anti-ev sentiment is that the same people who buy American cars and trucks and are used to continuously fixing their cars are the same people who mock EVs.

[@dermotwallace5533]

EV hugely sncontribute to health hazards to its owners due to EMF effects.😅😅😅

[@TheLilleyPad]

@@dermotwallace5533 hugely eh? There isn’t a lot of information out there about it. But I could imagine this being an issue with Chinese cars. Not Tesla.

[@bwofficial1776]

My family mostly buys Japanese cars and we're still anti-EV. Our hybrids have been wonderful.

[@TheLilleyPad]

@@bwofficial1776 I am considering a Japanese hybrid for my next car if not an EV.

[@InternetDude]

I have a video from ~3 years ago, "I traded my Tesla for a RAV4 Prime". To this day I still don't regret doing that. EVs still have too many limitations. Hybrids and PHEV 100% make more sense in the next 5-10 years. BEV is niche tech still. And I bought my first Tesla 9 years ago. They are fun, I miss the acceleration but not at all on road trips.

[@007_TheWatcher]

Just bought a Tesla Model S Performance and love it. I charge free from my solar array w/battery system and get close to 400 miles range. It supercharges in a few minutes while traveling. What's not to like?