EV vs. Plug-In vs. Hybrid - Which Is the Smartest Technology to Buy in 2024?

We are car shopping and are considering Electric Vehicles, Plug-In Hybrids, and straight up Hybrids. I wanted to know the smartest choice to make financially over the course of, say, 10+ years... and as it turns out, there's more to consider then the initial fuel savings (which are significant!).
Each of the car technologies has pros and cons over each other The hybrids (like Toyota has really invested in) has proven to be incredibly reliable and hold their value very well... but the newer flashier EV's (Tesla) offer incredibly fuel savings over those Hybrids, but completely fall off the map when it comes to resale. Does that higher sticker price and terrible resale make it worth it in the long run?
And what about the Plug-In's? Are they the sweet spot offering a bit of both technologies OR do they represent the worst of both worlds.
In this video I'm going to share what I've learned to help you figure out what the smartest choice is for you or your family so that if you DO decide to purchase a new vehicle this year, you are truly happy with your choice.
Let the battle of the HEV, PHEV, and straight up EV begin!
0:00 EV vs. HEV vs. PHEV
2:18 Hybrids
3:18 Plug-in Hybrids
5:51 EVs
8:52 Fuel costs over 10 years
14:38 What is the smartest choice?
16:16 Final thoughts

[@TheSAHDLife]

When I was talking about the resale value of cars bought today in 10 years from now, there are 2 points you in the comments have pointed out... #1 - my estimate for the Prius (despite having the new design) WAS too high and it's probably more like 15k as opposed to 25k. And #2 ICE cars might not have as great resale in 10 years either since they will likely be less in demand. Who knows! I will also add I just checked in with my friend who has a 2018 Tesla and he says while the build quality isn't great compared to his 2018 Toyota 4Runner (doors closing tight, rattling while driving etc) he has said that the Tesla still runs great in 2024 with 100K+ mileage on it. That's reassuring.

[@LucasFR11]

The Prius is made in Japan, check out the build quality in person

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@LucasFR11 Interesting! I drove the non-Prime Prius a couple weeks ago and it felt great. It was surprisingly comfortable.

[@DigiDriftZone]

The strange thing about the chemical soup you get in Lithium based chemistries is they age even if you don't drive the car - think trying to charge up a battery that's just been sitting in a drawer for 10 years. There are so many examples on the Tesla forums of the batteries lasting over 200k miles, but also ones failing in under 40k miles just from the age of the vehicle and likely other factors like how often it was parked in the cold, or in direct sunlight, how often it was supercharged, how often it was discharged below 10%, or above 80%, or more basic things like the battery housing developing a leak over time. More worrying there are many examples of batteries showing minimal degradation but going from 50% charge to 0 in the space of 1 mile, or shutting off on the road when you try to accelerate. You may have experienced something similar on a 3-5 year old phone battery where you try to make a call and the phone reboots because the cells cannot provide the required voltage anymore, despite the battery health showing 85%.

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@DigiDriftZone Yeah that is interesting to consider for sure. In the past I definitely felt more examples of that... but I feel like my Samsung S21 is still going strong. Not sure I'd want to base buying a $50,000+ vehicle off of that experience though!!

[@lenimbery7038]

My first electric was a 2017 Chevy Volt. I managed to do all my local driving on all electric and only needed gas if I went on a trip that was over an hour away. I had it for 3 ½ years and sold it once the warranty expired. Now I’ve had a Tesla Model Y for the last 31/2 years with absolutely no problems so far. I plan to sell or trade it in sometime in the next year and for the first time I plan on buying the exact same car again. Range anxiety isn’t a problem at all and I charge at home 99% My trick (although maybe expensive) is to own the vehicle just as long as I have the warranty coverage

[@TheSAHDLife]

Pretty crazy it's been so good you would buy the same one... That's awesome! I think the next years model will be a refresh too so that's a good time to do it. I hear lots of great stories like this... hopefully we can do something similar in the near future.

[@mikerattee56]

totally agree! my chev volt is perfect.

[@TheSAHDLife]

I've heard nothing but good things from the Chevy Volts! I wish we got on that train years ago. I've always been a little worried about Chevy's though you know? I haven't had the best experiences with Domestic vehicles throughout owning cars over the last 25 years.

[@richryan8904]

All very clearly, entertainingly presented and compared. Thank you!

[@TheSAHDLife]

Thanks for the comment! Really appreciate it. I love talking about this stuff! It's a tough decision but hopefully I gave people some things to consider. What would you buy right now if you could or had to?

[@richryan8904]

@@TheSAHDLife I like the idea of charging at home for 50/60 miles range but also having an ICE back up, so a phev for me, if I was in the market. Do you like or watch Out of Spec Motors with Kyle? He’s an entertaining EV geek

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@richryan8904 Never heard of him before. Will check it out, thanks for the share! 👊

[@MrBlackhen]

I think the Prius maintenance cost will much more than the Tesla in the next 10 years. Since Tesla have much more marketshare mean it easier to find the replacement part.

[@TheSAHDLife]

Interesting take! I mean the Prius should be pretty low maintenance I think it's one of the reasons it's the main Taxi car. But still, perhaps compared to Electrics, maybe it IS a lot. I just don't know!

[@tomasbahamonde3795]

One of the best videos I've seen. Very comprehensive explanation. Thank you! Couple of follow up questions: - How's the behaviour with cold weather? - Prime not having AWD is not ideal, what's your thoughts? - What do you think about Niro Plug in? Thank you!

[@TheSAHDLife]

Thanks! Glad you found the video. From my research EV's lose on average 10-25% range depending on how cold it is. I didn't see how cold it needs to be for these changes to take effect but I imagine it's sub-zero temperatures. I know they have heat-pumps but I didn't really go too deep into learning how they work on EV's. The Prime not having AWD is a big deal. That sucks! For where I live that is a reason I wouldn't consider it. If I was just buying this as a commuter it wouldn't be a big deal... but we both work from home and the next car we get will be our main family car so, I'd rather have something that feels safer/more capable. The Niro looks like a neat little car. I think it would probably be a fine buy, but it might just be hard to sell on the other side. I personally really enjoy Korean Styling, especially on their interiors when it comes to the other car manufacturers, however, resell for them is hot garbage. While we have loved our Hyundai, the engine DID die on us at 90,000kms even though we babied it. To be fair, Hyundai put in a new engine out of warranty but still... we lost an AMAZING weekend and had so much stress for awhile there.... I'm not sure I would buy a Hyundai or Kia... MAYBE a full electric but I'm not sure I trust how they machine their combustion motors. Hope that helps! You looking for a cheaper plug-in?

[@tomasbahamonde3795]

@@TheSAHDLife thank you! We are looking for a reliable and safe commute car for Calgary. Our main family car is an Outback which is perfect, so looking for a smaller for city use. I'm checking: Crosstrek Onyx Trim (have everything except for the fuel consumption), Prius (Hybrid and Plugin) and Niro (Hybrid and Plugin).

[@alejandrowilcox8198]

I think this is old thinking being improperly applied to new tech, specifically with the depreciation for EVs. Fundamentally, the plummeted resale value of electric cars recently has been because of technological innovation rather than the asset in question losing its functionality/deteriorating. Remember, 5-year depreciation figures by definition lag 5 years behind the current models. I think the technology has matured significantly in recent years, leaving much less maturation in the near-mid term future. Take the Apple's MacBooks. The resale price of an x64 MacBook air is ~30% original price but an M1 is ~70%, because there is relatively less maturation between M1 -> M3/4 than from x86 -> M1. I believe 2024+ Model 3 and 2021+ S/X will see significantly less "depreciation" than older models, so I think it's worth it. Or just buy a 2021-2023 Model 3 for like $28k US and call it a day!

[@TheSAHDLife]

I think you make a great point and I do agree with you. Unlike Apple however there is a lot more competition and marketing in the auto industry which makes what you mentioned easy to forget. Heck just watch any sporting game and see the amount of car ads that play. It's crazy! I think when it comes to Tesla specifically, because they were so far away from the competition experience wise... While guys like me have wanted to jump on board for years, I worried about rickety build quality as all my friends with 2018/2019 Tesla's said they rattle years later though they still run well. My cousin has a 2021 Model Y that she wants to sell and my wife and I wonder if we should consider hers or if it's worth the extra 15k for buying new. Tough call. I'll chew more on what you said 👊

[@alejandrowilcox8198]

I think picking up your cousin's Model Y would be a great idea! 1) You know that specific unit's build quality 2) You get a big discount on the price compared to a new one 3) You trust the previous owner and know they aren't hiding any big problems/repairs from you I don't own a car currently but the sheer thought of having to do (& pay for) the maintenance on one drives me insane, so personally I would LOVE the lack of it on an EV

[@TheSAHDLife]

@alejandrowilcox8198 those are all great points. It sure makes a big difference buying a used anything from a trusted source. Those 2021s still look pretty slick too! But yeah having a vehicle is a lot. We've managed to only have one vehicle for so long which is just been great but every now and then there's a time where we need two vehicles. It's just so much cost for not very often you know? Hard to justify.

[@balakrish4718]

Great video brother. Like the way you put facts. My point on 10yr from now is, lot can be changed as solid state battery tech others can enable the batteries to be damn cheap. The 20k full EV swap can be 5k... how know. 😊

[@TheSAHDLife]

Thanks man! Do you think the newer Solid State batteries might be able to be placed in the older, let's say Tesla, batteries as replacements in the future? Is that what you're saying? Or would you wait to get a solid state in the first place so that they will be cheaper to replace in the future.

[@dayoadeosun1520]

Great video, am just curious, how much was the cost of petrol per gallon as at the time this video was made? I struggled to find that in this video.

[@TheSAHDLife]

Good question! It cost about $1.99 Per Litre here in Canada or $1.45 USD Per Litre ($5.50USD per Gallon). To be fair it has come down quite a bit since making this video but I'm sure that won't last long.

[@johnminichielli8957]

You are missing the lost opportunity cost on the extra money you will spend for the full EV. Most of the cost analysis I see on vehicle purchases overlook this factor. That 20k extra you spent on the EV when invested in an appreciating asset over 10 years could totally transform which vehicle makes the most financial sense.

[@TheSAHDLife]

Oh for sure, I thought I tried to address that in the video. I will say that while it is a lost/sunken cost for a lot of people, for others they do get the satisfaction of enjoying the benefits of a more premium products and being early adopters to new technology. That's not worth it for ME but some people really get value from it. But some people are just terrible with money too. Waiting it out and seeing what happens seems to be the smartest options. We don't NEED a vehicle quite yet, it's tough having 1 still but we save so much we will do this I think until we are forced to get a 2nd. What would you buy right now?

[@johnminichielli8957]

@@TheSAHDLife I drive an F150, not the hybrid version, but I would consider a plug-in hybrid truck down the road, especially if the tax incentives put them on par with the straight hybrid.

[@14lou]

At some point, the government will extract the equivalent of fuel tax from EV charging / mileage.

[@TheSAHDLife]

Right? I wonder how long it'll take...

[@14lou]

@@TheSAHDLife It may take a while to trap as many evangelists as possible before its inevitable introduction. Though, New Zealand has reportedly proposed such a km tax on EVs including PEVs!

[@twilightsass517]

I bought a used five year old Chevy volt five years ago. Every penny I've spent on maintenance and repair on this car (which has been a lot) was because of the ICE motor. My fuel costs have gone from about one hundred fifty U.S. in gas to about thirty U.S. in electricity. I am saving every dime I can to be able to afford a good fully electric car. If the pricing for electric cars was equivalent to I.C.E. I would be satisfied fully electric car owner right now.

[@TheSAHDLife]

Bummer to hear about the annoying maintenance you've had with the vehicle but those fuel savings are no joke. Very interesting. What do you think you would get next if you could?

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

We finally got our new 2024 Prime in March. Our third Prius. Very pleased with the first two (non Prime), and each averaged 4.4 L per 100Km year round. When we made the deal for the 2024, the dealer offered $10,000 for our 12 year old Model C, half of what we paid new. I don't think that in 12 years a dealer (or anyone else), will consider paying 1/2 the original cost of a Tesla considering the price to replace the Traction battery. The new Prime ? We have driven it 3,600+Km so far and bought just $45.00 (a half tank), only because we had to take a road trip. And, oh, it cost more than $20,000 less than the cheapest Tesla. I like these numbers.

[@TheSAHDLife]

That's awesome, thanks for sharing. Jeez we still go back and forth almost daily. For awhile there we got really excited about the fuel savings of a full EV but we would be able to charge our car every night at home and might be able to get almost those same savings with a PHEV plus all the advantages to NOT buying an EV (like resale / trade-in as you mention). I'm really glad to hear from an owner so thanks for chiming in. Is there anything you don't love about the car?

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

@@TheSAHDLife Very glad to hear it was useful to you. My biggest beef with the Prime is the absence of a spare tire. I know tire technology has advanced and flats are less common but, they do happen. We had our first two Priuses for 16 years and had just one flat. It was sidewall damage, so, without a spare we'd have been stuck. Our tires are quite low profile and our spring roads are always covered in "road sores". The "Fix the Flat Kit isn't capable of addressing a sidewall tear. That means a tow-truck. Where we live, "breaking down" often means having to wait a very long time for rescue if your not near a community (which describes a great deal of our province). You can buy a spare tire kit from Toyota for the Reg. hybrid that fits under the hatch floor (why the bloody thing does not come with the car is a mystery). However, the kit will not suit the Prime, too little room due to the bigger battery. We plan to source a set of rims and tires for winter use. We'll seek out inexpensive 17" rims and the closest tire size to the 195-50's that came with the car. At the moment, no manufacturer makes a winter tire in the oddball OEM size. This route offers the added benefit of giving us a spare (in both seasons). So, should we take a road trip we'll just throw a wheel in back. We both really like the car. And, neither of us has encountered the issues many other Posters complain about.

[@xiaowei1]

I have been driving EV's for 11 years now. Never had a problem with the tyres. I live in Australia, but looking in the US, there are amazing EV plans to be had for charging - florida has a company offering $38 a month flat fee (they install the charger and is a lock in 10 year contract). So don't think "current electricity" charges is your best bet, look for an EV plan local to you, you may be suppressed. For me, we have an EV plan with free electricity between 11:00am and 2:00pm, and after midnight to 6:00am it's only 8c. I have 13.2kw of solar with a feed-in-tariff of 8c (so charging at night simply cancels out the Feed-in-tariff). Price of petrol is currently hovering around $2 per liter in Australia (that is about $7.57 per gallon). Given I drive an average of about about 100km a day (60 miles), I save we'll over $5,000 every year when compared to something like a Mazda CX5. I should add, in 11 years, I have only charged 5 times at a charging station, and i only actually needed to do it 2 times as I wanted to try them (even then i could have charged at my destination with a slow charger if i wanted to and never used an external charging station, but I wanted to save time). Every other time it has been at home - for free. I am well aware solar power in the US is stupidly expensive to install, so an EV plan may be your best option. As for resale value in 10 years for the car, it will still have a value, and the actual joy of not having to waste time at a petrol station is priceless. If you are worried about returns on an EV in 10 years, what about an ICE in 10 years with the EV's of the future? There is a risk there too. If this is really a concern, in the US a lot of people lease their car to prevent this issue. For us, insurance is the same between an EV and an ICE. For the charger, I used the charger i got with the car for the first 9 years (it was slow, but I charged whilst i slept). I finally got an 11kw charger for free when I bought my GV60 Performance. Am I happy with my choice? I will never go back to an ICE. My partner now drives my old BMW i3, and she has said the same thing. In short, very happy. Good luck with your car choice.

[@TheSAHDLife]

Thanks for watching and great comment! I do like how you brought up the fact that ICE cars might not be in such demand in 10 years+ since the technology WILL be changing fast and people will continue to move farther away from using gas. It's great to hear from people like you chime in who have lots of experience with EV. I'm getting excited about the thought! Now if we can make the numbers work. We've been a single car family for years and it sure keeps costs down not having that second vehicle. But it's really annoying every once in awhile when we need one. How much to spend is the tough question for us for only needing a 2nd vehicle sporadically. Now we're a little older too we feel a little more... deserving a decent/reliable/newer vehicle, you know?

[@xiaowei1]

@@TheSAHDLife Given the prices of EV's second hand are quite low, this may be a good way to step into the market (given it will be a second car). In this regard, Tesla's are in abundance. My old BMW i3 2015 model was purchased 2nd hand for $43,000 (AU), with only 12,000km on the clock back in 2017. I dove it for 6 years, saving the $4 to 5,000 per year. It's resale value is about $25,000, so calculating the savings, I'm actually still ahead and i got to drive a great little car in that time. The depreciation was very high to start with, but seems to have tapered off a bit. At the end of the day, it's still a car, it's still works very well, and it is going to be next to free to run. Good luck with you choice, I don't think you can actually go wrong.

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@xiaowei1 Thanks! So many factors to really consider right? Paying more upfront doesn't mean you're wasting/spending more in the long run though it often feels like it at the time because of the sticker price. I bet that was nice having that little i3 during that time. Those were cool!

[@DigiDriftZone]

Where abouts in Australia? - I'm moving to Australia towards the end of the year (either Sydney or Gold Coast), do you not find the long distances make an EV range less practical there? - has that been an issue with longer road trips at all?

[@xiaowei1]

@@DigiDriftZone I live in Brisbane, near the gold coast (k0km away) and regularly go down there. The ranges on EV's these days are almost non issue. If you want to drive from the Gold Coast to Sydney which is about 1000km away, then of course it will be an issue and you'd be recharging along the way. I am probably bias, but i think the Gold Coast is nicer and cheaper than Sydney to live, but if you like built up areas, (the bigger city feel) then Sydney may be the better option. Both will have a lot of urban environments. the gold coast has by far the better beaches and warmer weather. Welcome to OZ!

[@bryans8656]

RE: Torque - My employer had C-Max fleet cars starting in 2013. They're kinda ugly but they ran great, and I drove them all over WA state. When I had to pass someone the C-Max had amazing torque because the electric motor kicked in when I floored it, and those don't have a torque curve, it's straight up. However, we're Toyota fans in this house to the Prius would be our choice to buy.

[@TheSAHDLife]

That's funny, I'm not familiar with the C-Max... did those hybrids get pretty good range? I imagine they must have. You think they were just discontinued due to their lack of sales? I guess hybrids besides the Prius didn't really take off back then did they? Yeah we are new Toyota fans too. Looking forward to (hopefully) getting one soon. Being a 1 vehicle family is tough now the little ones aren't so little anymore and are joining all kinds of activities! Thanks for watching 👊

[@Nattodayy]

I have a C-Max 2015 (non plugin). It is at 146k miles and gets between 38-40 Average MPG. Never had any major issues with it.

[@bryans8656]

@@Nattodayy That's what we were getting on the 2013 C-Max. I always enjoyed driving them, and I don't know why they weren't popular with the rest of the team. At my age form follows function.

[@johnminichielli8957]

Until battery technology takes a quantum leap, the smaller the battery the better.

[@TheSAHDLife]

Yeah after doing this video and continuing to learn about the topic I don't disagree with you.

[@LauraTurner-jt6ht]

Hi i am Aubrey’s brother the Aubrey from kindergarten good luck hope one day you get 1 million subscribers

[@TheSAHDLife]

Hey man, I remember you! Really appreciate your support 👊 Hope you guys are doing awesome!

[@novakane007]

Thanks for dramatically lightening the load for my car research. 😁

[@TheSAHDLife]

👊 it's so fun talking about this stuff. But it's not an easy decision, especially now. Hopefully it helped. Any idea what you'd get next?!

[@novakane007]

@@TheSAHDLife Probably a RAV4 PHEV for all the same reasons as you. buying myself a couple of years as I don't want to buy it new though.

[@LawrenceLCA]

Thanks for the great breakdown and it's something I've been spreadsheeting these scenarios and I also came to the same conclusion. If I were to buy one and only vehicle, a plug-in hybrid would come out ahead. I hadn't considered the resale value in my analysis but I did include maintenance for the ICE. That said, I expect ~$6k for electrical service upgrade plus the level 2 charger and installation as I'm only on 100A service. There is an alternative of using a smart panel to prioritize which circuit gets juice for slightly less but still pretty pricey. A plug-in hybrid might actually still work on a regular 120V/15A outlet given that I'm home all night long. Considering all those factors and how much I drive, the pay back period for a plug-in hybrid vs a pure cheaper ICE was about 5 years. An EV with all the electrical upgrades is 9 years. That said, for a two car family, one EV and one plug-in hybrid/regular hybrid might make for a great combo. The EV as the town car and then the hybrid for everything else, especially a larger vehicle for the family road trips.

[@TheSAHDLife]

That's really interesting to hear. Have/would you consider getting something used? I think slow charging might be enough for our usage but it would still be tempting to get that level 2 charger for another potential future vehicle. Like you said, the EV and the PHEV would be the ideal situation. Although it's probably best financially if we run this Sante Fe to the ground.... it really doesn't owe us anything and since we bought the highest model at the time, it still feels fantastic now. Going to a car with less features would be tough to do.

[@LawrenceLCA]

@@TheSAHDLife yes I'll probably consider used. Although if we want new, we probably should get on a waitlist. One of our cars is 16 years old but it's still running fine. Tough choice - should we speed up the carbon/gas savings or wait.

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@LawrenceLCA I did a video on the channel a year ago or so about how the engine DIED on our Hyundai at 90,000kms...ugh. It was a nightmare. Hours from home on a road trip in the middle of a heat wave stranded on the side of the road with young children... They DID end up paying for the tow and replaced the engine out of warranty which was awesome, so it still runs fantastic now only at 115,000kms but it sure left a bad taste in our mouth... it's hard to trust that it won't happen again. It's our one and only vehicle too and when you have young kids it sure would be nice to have something new and reliable again. Tough decisions eh. I'm right there with you. But we also haven't had vehicle payments in awhile either... it'll suck to have those again.

[@LawrenceLCA]

@@TheSAHDLife Yeah reliability and longevity of the brands are important considerations for sure. I had the opportunity to drive a rental Grand Cherokee 4se PHEV for a week. That thing could launch and was rock steady even on 75-80mph on the US highways. Pretty pricey though, but sat 5 adults comfortably and luggage.

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@LawrenceLCA Yeah that's interesting! Although it looks like it only has a range of around 40km/25mile in EV mode. That might be enough for some for their dailies. But 760kms overall on a tank is pretty decent!

[@jasonrhl]

I struggled with this video in some places other comments seemed ok. I would have liked to know your life experiences to understand your experience with the cars you drive. Tyres I see has been talked about in the chat. Solid State has already been partially surpassed by some new batteries. The reason to wait for new batteries didnt seem to have any reason why. People choose ICE cars with less range already. The gap is closing to fill up vs charge speed like seems a weekly occurance. The total cost missed servicing. I think this was also pointed out. The EV battery comment was a bit short sighted. Secondhand batteries are on the market cheaper already. Just dont buy a Tesla. You might also get an extended range new battery. Your fuel calculations you could save that extra money to cover your new battery and still be up. Tesla and the way they build their cars adds to insurance costs. The EV we have is the same as an equivilent car. I have an MG4 EV, a Ford Ranger diesel and a Subaru impreza. The MG4 is used all the time because it costs us nothing or maybe $3 a month with home charging with over 400km range. The subaru is driven a lot of the time because it is easier to park. The Ford Ranger is only used to move our canoes, drag a tailer and if the other 2 cars are being used. We have 4 drivers. We want to replace one of the ICE cars with something and it will never be another fuel driven car. Just waiting for something we like and then decide who gets replaced. The EV with its ability to know how much it will cost to fill without the need to keep comparing prices. Im sorry. The video got more annoying for me at the 13 minute mark. I somewhat enjoyed the video and trying to do crystal ball in 10 years it will be good to have a video in 10 years time. I could write more ut I want to watch another video :D

[@TheSAHDLife]

Yeah I hear you... It's tough to make a short succinct video without droning on about each part. I would have loved to have shared more about my experience but.... Anyway it sounds like you have a good grasp on what you need and have vehicles to compliment your lifestyle without going overboard. We need that second car so it's a bit of a harder decision than I thought. Still not 100% sure on what to do. Tempting to buy a $5,000 beater for running the kids to gymnastics and picking up groceries... But we're a little older now too so it'd be nice to have something a little more reliable.

[@jasonrhl]

@@TheSAHDLife I prefer longer videos with context and research. I am getting tired of clicking on videos with people who never had an EV longer than a month and now are experts.Video where they have 1 bad charging experince or didnt like the steering wheel with the square button. Your video did explain your thoughts which was really well done. I just needed more. :) Look forward to the 10 year video to see how your future ideas went.

[@Ivanzg]

Nice video, have the same dilemma. Things to consider: base model Tesla uses LFP batteries which degrade only about 2% a year. So will have about. 80% capacity in 10 years Any kind of ICE vehicle will have other type of service, belts, turbos, battery, filters, pumps to be replaced. Your PHEV battery is most likely not LFP and will degrade much faster over 10 years. Hard not to go for base model Tesla but that future resale value 😢

[@TheSAHDLife]

Thanks for watching! The more I'm chatting with Tesla owners that purchased them in 2016+ the more confident I am that they will still be usable vehicles in the future... I'm with you... leaning towards the Tesla. 👊😆 Though where we live the closest Tesla dealership is 2 hours away :(

[@DigiDriftZone]

Be careful with LFP, they are a bit of an unproven technology, not to say they don’t show promise in certain applications. We just do not have the data to say how they will perform for the average lifespan of a vehicle which is currently 17 years here in the UK. For example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fX3Yk6qijqiCp5I This survey has 135 respondents, 7.4% of them experienced a battery failure, most failed under 80k miles and mostly model 3. This will usually be covered under warranty, but once out of warranty, you are looking at a $23k bill which if the above is to be believed, will only get you a 50 to 80k miles in 7.4% of cases, that’s a pretty staggering failure rate. They also have specific disadvantages, even in moderately cold climate (5c), the batteries may flat out refuse to charge until they are conditioned (increasing charge times to 2 hours and increasing your charge cost), the range drop is significantly higher winter than non LFP, they are less efficient, they have 30-50% less energy density (larger/heavier), they cannot provide as much voltage (power), they can’t accurately show range - this is why Tesla recommends discharging them down to 0% frequently (this may be contributing to the high failure rate?). So really serious downsides and why none of the long range of luxury models use them. Mercedes for example still uses massive amount of cobalt, they currently use a ratio of 8:1:1 nickel, cobalt, manganese. Thats how they all can do this flat charging curves. If you lower the cobalt to 1% or less like Tesla you can't pump that hard on the battery or you causing lithium spikes to damage and worst case short the battery. Thats why LFP charge a lot slower then NCA or NCM cells. Cobalt is a stabiliser. Most companies don’t want bad marketing on their charging curves so they keep using 5-10% cobalt..

[@Harrythehun]

@@DigiDriftZoneLike we always consider all new ICE engines, new turbos, new transmissions, new injectors, new cylinder heads and pistons, new materials eg castings, aluminium, steel and plastic parts, new electronics.

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@Harrythehun yes and all of these are around 10% of the materials that go into a disposable EV battery, except for the sake of the planet, all these things can be kept going and are economically recyclable. For example my 20 year old Audi A4 is still someone’s daily driver right now with minimal maintenance, it passed the last 5 MOT inspections with not even an advisory.

[@Nattodayy]

My partner and I share a Ford C-Max hybrid now and I’m just looking to get an EV to get around town. So my idea was to lease a Model 3. Leasing still gets me US EV tax incentives, and lets me reduce the investment on an EV until better tech like sodium batteries comes along.

[@TheSAHDLife]

That's exciting. Have you test drove anything yet?

[@Nattodayy]

@@TheSAHDLife I’ve tried both the Model 3 and the Y. Although I really like the Y, I think we are going to get the 3 to keep costs down.

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@Nattodayy Yeah I'm feeling the exact same way. The 3's seem roomy though so I'm not too worried. My wife just loves the taller drive height of SUVs so she's a tougher nut to crack.

[@ondago2]

So people don't touch the same charging station handle, or Plug-in EV drivers don't scratch their butts? Which one am I to assume is why charging stations are not the same as far pumps, in that comical regard because, without that distinction, I didn't get why it's even a joke AGAINST fueling with Gasoline (presumably against pure EVs

[@TheSAHDLife]

I guess I was implying that in the future we'll all charge our vehicles at home. To be honest I've never been to a charging station so maybe it's just as nasty. Are there bathrooms there?!

[@myonen4402]

Here's the thing about batteries and replacements over time. You will see the replacement batteries come down in price. First don't assume that as new battery chemistry improves manufacturers will produce new chemistry packs to replace the old ones. Second as the technology is refined and patents fade aftermarket replacements will become commonplace you'll be able to get a 150kwh battery from interstate that weighs 2/3 what the factory battery costs and bolts right in place for US$4,500 and completely changing the math. Also as independent mechanics break the stranglehold that the EV manufacturers have on their vehicles the cost of service will plummet which will also have positive impacts on the used market. Finally I believe that it is a mistake to buy a vehicle from a hopped up tech company masquerading as a car company rather than a traditional auto manufacturer. I would strongly recommend that you take a closer look at Hyundai/Kia/Genesis have on offer. In the long run I believe that they are going to be the cars that ultimately beat out Tesla as top dog

[@TheSAHDLife]

Good points for sure! We bought a 2014 Hyundai and while it's been great the engine did die on us and left us stranded in the middle of nowhere about two summers ago. I even made a video on my Channel about it. To be fair Hyundai fixed it out of warranty at no cost to us and it's still running great but still left a bit of a sour taste to my mouth. I still do like the brand though and at least with electric motors that same problem can't happen. I don't fully disagree about Tesla but some of my friends that have had them for over 6 or 7 years now say they're still running great. Interesting is all.

[@msxcytb]

Complicated indeed- Great video! How about considering used EV for practical use? The first owner is loosing lots of money- but for daily commutes used model 3 would do great. I live in Finland where there are basically no grants and incentives for that (and it is fine- why to pay for rich peoples toys from everyone's taxes which kind of kills the competition?). Right now used electric vehicles seem to be loosing value fast- but honestly typical 70kWh vehicle would offer quite a lot of city commuting even at a battery capacity bellow 80% with aged battery(as long as there is no fire risk increase etc.). For now used (almost 11year old) Opel Ampera (twin of Chevy Volt) does great for my family- driving mostly on electricity, so much cheaper and without most of emissions(clean grid) and without anxiety range(except there is the anxiety that ICE is starting after 60ish km😄)

[@TheSAHDLife]

That's a great point. Also in case anyone reads this, in BC Canada when you buy a used EV you don't have to pay PST when buying a used EV. So depending on what you buy that might save an extra few thousand. How has the maintenance been on the Opel?

[@msxcytb]

@@TheSAHDLife Ampera is great and reliable. At about 140kkm it still offers full 10.4kWh useful capacity (some 16kWh net battery, no indication of how much it degraded actually, previous owner clearly used more ICE). Other maintenance is pretty good- just oil changes as prompted. The main motivation was to have low emissions, not to visit gas stations often, and cheaper drives in total (satisfaction of EV). Works well enough even in winters that go frequently to -20C😄. Quite typical driving in and around the European city, and very occasionally road trips. Even this kind of sluggish EV is faster in 0-100km than most of the other cars around - especially that with common here stick shifts car it takes some "skills" to beat Ampera (oh the joy for EV enthusiast, but not cars enthusiast),😄😄

[@MonkeyPunchZPoker]

I do most of my own maintenance and repairs. For me with a HEV (well, with most Toyota HEVs) I can expect to need a new battery for $2k-$3k in 10-15 years, which I find reasonable (unfortunately used values don't reflect that cost at the moment). On PHEV it would be $10k-$15k and because of the battery weight I probably cant do it myself, not really reasonable. For EVs they would probably last over 20 years (for me, because I wouldn't super charge it, I would keep it in the sweet spot between 20%-80% charged, and I probably wouldn't used it for commercial purposes and I wouldn't cycle the battery very often) but a replacement batter will be well over $20k, not reasonable at all - but an EV wouldn't fit my use case (unless I had another car at the same time).

[@TheSAHDLife]

Out of curiosity, you say the HEV/PHEV batteries will only last 10-15 years yet you think the EV would last 20+. Why would the EV ones last longer if you kept ALL of them in that sweet spot of 20-80%?

[@MonkeyPunchZPoker]

@TheSAHDLife It's about the number of times they cycle. A Prius battery kept between 20-80% might have to cycle multiple times a day but a full EV with 300 miles of range maybe once or twice a week a week in the same conditions. I'm just guessing PHEVs will last about as long as HEV but they haven't bee n around long enough to tell, maybe they'll fall in between HEVs and EVs.

[@m.hreels9822]

And don't get me started on Teslas. 😂 They charge you an extra insurance fee because they aren't getting your tax dollars from paying for gas. ⛽ I hear that their tires wear down fast because of how heavy the batteries are. I hear that the charging takes forever at certain places. The software can be buggy sometimes, and most of all, the cost adds up!

[@TheSAHDLife]

That must be in the States because I emailed my Insurance broker and she sent me back the rates.... it was like $100 more for the YEAR owning a Tesla. Not as much more as I expected.

[@m.hreels9822]

@@TheSAHDLife yes it's definitely a United States thing unfortunately lol 😅

[@lenimbery7038]

Yes my insurance in BC is very comparable to my ICE vehicle on my Tesla

[@classic.cameras]

After watching so many people complain about EV's and charge times by owners on Instagram. And knowing what our power grid can handle? I think EV's are a bad idea unless its just to drive to and from work. For road trips they are a nightmare (especially in Canada). A hybrid makes the most sense. In fact to save Tesla, I would not be surprised if Tesla releases a hybrid car that will be as backordered as the Fujifilm X100IV.

[@TheSAHDLife]

I'm not as concerned about the power grid as I was once I started learning about how much power extra EV's will actually use but it is something to be conscious of. It will be a slow, steady, inevitable transition and they should be easily able to handle. Let's hope they do their jobs well. And yeah, extra through IS required when buying a vehicle nowadays. A $1,000 to rent a vehicle for a road trip might seem like a lot, but if it saves you from spending an extra $30,000 on the price of a car you don't actually need, then it might be worth it even if you do a couple road trips a year. It's fun talking about cars :) What would you get if you bought something now?

[@classic.cameras]

@@TheSAHDLife honestly, I am about the bargain. Used to have an Infiniti G35x when times in Alberta were booming and I wasted money. Now? Probably a Toyota Rav4 of 4Runner. I have a Hyundai Tucson. Good on gas and bare bones for a "fully loaded" car. I am 6'4" built like a 1980's wrestler. So I need something with head room.

[@classic.cameras]

@@TheSAHDLife One other thing, I remember on that show TopGear them talking about EV cars a few years ago. They basically said "I sort of feel like its a tech that is in development stage and not yet worth investing it. Its sort of like the light bulb transition to those twisty kind before being perfected into LED" (something like that). And I kinda agree. The EV is a perfect sounding car on paper. But I think its the battery that needs to be perfected and they have some in the works but they are not here yet.

[@DannChewie]

Live the YOLO life and get the Tesla lol 😀

[@TheSAHDLife]

Yes! My man 👊 It's what I really want to do to be honest... And I'm not going to lie if I could somehow make that work it would be hard not to extra Yolo on the performance one 😆

[@DigiDriftZone]

I think the more you look into EVs the less appealing they become, on every metric: 1) Going by UK numbers anyway, public chargers cost around 2-3x more per mile than just a conventional diesel vehicle. 2) The actual real world range on the motorway, in winter, between 10-80% charge (charging above 80% is a lot slower and some public chargers flat out don't let you do that) after 3 years of battery degradation, you can get as little as 80 miles range on a longer road trip on an LR Model 3. That's painful. 3) Your effective fuel tank gets a little smaller every year of ownership (with the largest drops being the first 3-4 years). 4) The argument of "well, you need to stop for a break anyway, so range isn't an issue" assumes your bladder is synced up to your battery level, which is not the case and you are forced to stop in boring places, instead of living a full life. 5) The batteries seem to fail at around 8-9 years on average with an eye watering £20k to replace. Even with just 15% degradation after 8 years they just suddenly fail 1 day where your charge drops from 50% to 0 in the space of a mile. 6) There are far more EV fires than non-EV fires in the UK and they last a lot longer, they also typically happen while you're sleep (these are stats that Honeywell got from UK fire departments) 7) As you mentioned depreciation is brutal, because of the above factors. 8) You still need to maintain the suspension, steering fluid, brake fluid, tyres, air filters, etc, et, etcc - in fact the average maintenance charge is a lot more than on a typical diesel. Oil and brake pads are cheap, electric motors and fancy door handles that fail after 60k miles are not. My maintenance cycle on a diesel is every 2 years and costs £150 on average. 9) As for fun, I am not sure where the fun is living your life by the needs of your car, instead of your own. This is why I bought a BMW 520D (diesel, not hybrid), it costs 12p per mile to run (vs more like 30p per mile with public charging an EV) and I get 1,000 mile range instead of 80 miles in winter on a longer trip - it's also a hell of a lot of fun and I can stop in beautiful scenic places instead of a Tesla super charger car park :) I could keep going, but I struggle to find any use case where another type of vehicle wouldn't be a better choice vs an EV. Even in situations where an EV could potentially work for the person with its limitations. Plus if you calculate the cost of battery replacements every 8-9 years in terms of cost per mile (and depreciation reflects this), then they are more expensive to run even if you charge at home...

[@TheSAHDLife]

Interesting take! It's always cool to hear opinions like this... for the first few points, since we both work from home and don't drive that often (would charge 100% at home), those points don't matter to US, but I think they are a big deal for most people. I've driven a lot of cars and had lots of motorcycles... I enjoy performance (not that I have it) and I think EV's are the closest thing to sport bike acceleration in a car which always brings a smile to my face. Plus the tech say, Tesla offers with the app etc is just cool. Is that worth paying $50,000+ for? Probably not. Would I have a blast ripping in a new Model 3? Ohh yeah. Lots of great points though. Power is SO much cheaper over here it's crazy. Will there be a point where you ever consider a full EV? And don't you find your diesel smelly?

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@TheSAHDLife smelly? Can’t say I ever smelt it? If you take 30k CAD for the battery replacement and divide it by the miles you will drive in 8 years, how much is that per mile? You need to add that to the cost of the electricity to get a true Cost of Ownership. Also in the UK at least the tariffs with cheap charging are those where you pay more for daytime electricity, so you end up paying around £40 more per month in day time non EV related electricity - something often missed out in calculating true cost. So even with home charging, at least in the UK the maths just doesn’t work. I crashed a Ducati 1260s a couple years ago which was the most adrenaline I think I ever experienced heh, luckily with no permanent injuries! and did a bit of dirt biking on mountains in Wales last year so I do like a bit of power myself. Now that 2 stroke is smelly! With that said in an EV, there’s no thrill or fun, there is no engine vibration, sound or a feeling of torque as it’s a very linear and clinical acceleration - and it overheats shortly after and goes into limp mode too. But also it’s quite jerky at the same time so you can’t drive it smoothly when you want. A recent paper showed the majority of people get a lot more motion sickness in an EV because of this jerky movement going from acceleration, to coasting to regenerative breaking. When I get in Uber EVs here I really feel that. The BMW is only about 200bhp and gets to 60mph in about 7.5s but you know what? It “feels” like a rocket when you hit the engine’s torque sweet spot and it still gets something like 65mpg, a lot cheaper than a hybrid on longer trips and still very economical in town, yet it’s very quiet and smooth when I want it to be. And it takes about 5 minutes per month to “charge up”, vs faffing around with unrolling and rolling up heavy extension cables every day and the mental load of do I need 80% today and how long until I can drive this thing, etc etc. About 10 years ago I thought right, this car (Merc C class diesel at the time) is my last non-EV, but 10 years later there is next to zero progress with EVs. The tech has just stalled and seems to be going backwards if anything with nothing on the horizon for the next several decades. The non LFP battery on a 2013 Tesla has a far greater energy density (about 30% more) that a modern model 3 and the failure rate is lower too, it also doesn’t experience the issues of needing 2 hours to super charge on a cold day. We also now know the infrastructure investment needed to move even 15% of vehicles to EVs, a super charger station needs as much power as a town, the infrastructure for this is 50+ years away and the reliability of the existing chargers is proving very poor. All the evidence is pointing to EVs not being a particularly big piece of the net zero puzzle, I don’t see them being above 30% of cars at 2050 or beyond, probably less. Current adoption in the UK is 2.3% of vehicles and sales figures are crashing. I have an EUC which I love and I like the idea of electric in theory, EVs make fantastic small personal city transportation (though fire safety is a concern, so much so you cannot bring an electric scooter on UK public transport anymore since 2021) but for it to be usable in practice, home charging needs to be quicker than 17 hours, the 40% or so of homes without an ability to home charge need a practical solution, public charging needs to be 3x less to compete with diesel (which won’t happen as a charge point costs millions to put in and maintain), real world winter motorway range needs to go up from 100 miles to 300 miles at least (but this is not possible as the vehicle will require a trucker’s license due to weight and won’t be legal in residential areas due to road damage), battery reliability needs to double to 18-20 years which is the average non EV lifespan here (not possible with lithium based chemistries it seems), battery replacement cost needs to be maybe 20% of the current cost (prices are going up not down with the global geopolitical instability), none of the batteries are recycled in practice as it’s not economical, that needs to change (a recycled battery would cost 200k instead of 20k), etc etc etc etc. EVs actually predate combustion engine cars as a product, maybe they’ll be viable in another 100 years or so, I don’t think they will be in our lifetime but happy to be proved wrong on this :) As you said if you can get a small EV for the city (but many cities are moving to low traffic neighbourhoods, closing roads/parking, making driving impractical in town) and something else for all other driving, that’s the sweet spot. But many can’t justify paying 2 insurance policies, 2 road tax chargers, 2 lots of maintenance/service costs, usually paying for an extra parking space too, that's also not particularly sustainable or environmental. Personally I have my 520D for every day and may get a little 2 seater sports car for fun, a TVR or something :)

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@DigiDriftZone Hot take man! Love it. "clinical acceleration" lols. That's rad. I get it but I have to say, I actually like it. My buddy let me drive his BMW i4 M50 and it was great fun. Plus the Ioniq 6 was fun to drive as well. They both put a big smile on my face every time I stomped the accelerator. Plus they were so quiet inside the music sounds great. In our 2014 Sante Fe we have the 2.0L Turbo and... to be honest I'm tired of the second or so ICE engines have before they hit their stride. When I want to accelerate I want to do it now. I like that much better with the EV. Are we going to buy an EV anytime soon? Yeah I really don't know... and you brought up a lot of great points which I'll have to chew on for a while. Fun to talk about though so I appreciate you weighing in on the topic 👊

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@TheSAHDLife Totally agree about instant torque, I love that on my EUC. Though if I risk a speeding ticket by putting my foot down, I still prefer the roar of an engine :) - just out of interest, what is the motivation for selling the Sente Fe, just fancy an upgrade or is it starting to have problems? - I would still be in my 2013 C Class (also 2l turbo) to be honest if my father didn't borrow and crash it (he's fine, the car wasn't), it basically ran like new with about 90k miles on the clock. My argument with EVs really boils down to they cannot compete on their own merit in a free market and that says a lot. In the UK anyway it has taken 10+ years of heavy government subsidies, incentives and constant media bombardment to transition 2.3% of vehicles to EVs. What would this percentage be without this heavy handed push by the government? - I think close to zero. With the subsidies stopping in 2025, let's see what happens.
 But also hybrids, the fuel economy is around 20-30% worse on average on the motorway/highway because the electric motors shut off and they rely purely on a usually compact 1.5l noisy petrol engine. A friend of the family for example has an 8 year old hybrid Toyota and she is getting rather nervous now about the battery. She wanted to sell it, but the value has plummeted because of the battery, with many equally aged vehicles being sold with recently replaced hybrid batteries. Now she wishes she would've just gone with a regular petrol or diesel. But at least the battery is around 1/4 the price of an EV one so it's still economical to repair.
 I guess my summary:

 - Petrol if 65%+ of your drives are short drives under 50mph and you want a consistent/predictable monthly expense (opex vs capex)
 - Hybrid is same as above but you're moving your costs in higher purchase/depreciation/repairs in favour of (usually) lower running costs, ultimately it still ends up costing about the same (usually) - plug-in if you have access to cheap energy, otherwise normal hybrid. - Diesel if 65%+ of your drives are at 50mph+ or longer drives in general and you just want less hassle, less maintenance (2 year cycles), less fuelling up (1,000 miles is not uncommon) - I'm in this category. - EV or 2 seater petrol convertible if you want a fun accessory for you primary vehicle :)

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@DigiDriftZone We've had the Sante Fe since 2014 and it's been great... except when the engine died on us. That sucked. Out of warranty though they paid for the $700 tow and replaced the engine so, that was nice. That was 2 years ago. We probably have 25,000kms on the new engine and besides having a bit of the creaks, it still runs great. We've been a 1 car family most of the time but now that our kids are getting older it would be nice to have a 2nd vehicle for running the kids to their activities etc... we are of 2 mins... 1. we get a cheap commuter and just use that, or 2. upgrade our main vehicle and keep the Sante Fe as it owes us nothing. We're in our 40's... we want reliable with some fun (well, I do anyway). It's a tough call on what the best thing is... at the end of the day, we know the value of spending as little as possible on a vehicle. It's what we've always done. But I DO love driving and exploring and having a vehicle I'm confident in that won't let me down. I can't say I've ever recovered from or have fully trusted the Hyundai on that front. We're still not sure what to do... and now after chatting with you, even less sure!

[@m.hreels9822]

My mom almost got an electric hybrid model that you can plug in, and I'm so glad she didn't. 👎🏻⚡🙏🏻🚘

[@TheSAHDLife]

My folks got one. They like it! It's only been 2 years... we'll see if it keeps going without issues.

[@m.hreels9822]

@@TheSAHDLife that's very interesting and I'm glad it worked out for them. I'm just a little bit apprehensive and I'm a tech person which is saying something 😆❤️⚡🚘 my mom was going to get one of those plug-in hybrids from Hyundai they don't drive much now so maybe it might work out for them in the future if they get one

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

@@m.hreels9822 We got our third Prius (first PHEV), in March. Zero issues with the first two and we got half of what we paid new for our 12 year old Model C at trade-in. After 3600+Km with the new Prime we have purchased exactly $46.00 worth of fuel. Our cost to recharge the battery is about $1.73 and that brings us over 80Km. And, the quality of the car is outstanding. Your Mom is missing-out.

[@steve2483]

I believe you've miscalculated. Firstly, hard to imagine you could get $25,000 for any 10-year-old car..... Particularly one with a purchase price of less than $ 50,000. That assumption is nuts. After 10 years of ownership you would be lucky to get 10 to 15% of the purchase price. The other assumption you're making for your calculation is you're comparing honestly priced Toyota to a Tesla which is anything but honest. That's comparing apples and oranges .

[@TheSAHDLife]

Yeah you're not wrong. I kind of realize that later as far as the actual numbers for a 10-year-old vehicle are worth... But I still do think that it would be much easier to resell the Toyota either way. I tried to give a very fair warning that I would have some bad numbers! And yeah Toyota versus Tesla... I mean that's the world we live in! Those are definitely two of the hot sellers these days and even though it might not be fair guys like me are considering each of them.

[@steve2483]

I I'm looking into purchasing a RAV4 Prime. I would prefer a full EV but wonder if we're still in the early adopter phase of EVS... And what that looks like. I keep my cars for 10 years, usually have over 300,000 km at the end, and they're almost worthless.

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@steve2483 We went to Toyota last week as we wanted to the drive the Prius Prime... they don't have any of them... they don't have any non-Prime Prius in stock!!! He basically said you had to order it without driving it then decide once it arrives if you still want it. Crazy world. So if you really are considering a Prime, if it's anything like it is here you might want to get a deposit down now if you even maybe want it in 3-18 months! 😫

[@steve2483]

Yes, it's a different world these days..... My local dealer said 12 months. Yet I've also heard there are tons in the US. Go figure

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

When we ordered our Prime in 2022 the dealer offered $10,000 for our 12 year old Prius C. That's half of what we paid when it was new. Thought that was good value.

[@2rightsmakeauturn]

None of the above

[@TheSAHDLife]

What would you get!?

[@yacahumax1431]

you forgot to factor the people you are helping kill with your ice vehicle. According to the WWW : "Globally, it is estimated that vehicle exhaust emissions are responsible for approximately 385,000 premature deaths each year. This includes the impacts from various pollutants such as fine particulate matter (PM2.5) and nitrogen dioxide (NO2) which are known to cause respiratory and cardiovascular diseases, among other health problems​.The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that outdoor air pollution causes about 4.2 million premature deaths annually, while studies indicate that total deaths from all anthropogenic air pollution sources could be as high as 8.8 million per year​". Do you care?

[@jesseraphael2423]

Wow i love eco pandering, i surely dont get enough if that in my life. Thank god he didnt bring that up

[@TheSAHDLife]

"helping kill people" is certainly a way of looking at things! I hear you though. I think most of us just need/want vehicles in our lives so we can get groceries, take our kids places, and explore. We don't think much beyond that when it comes to things like the effects on the earth etc, and yes, I do care and think we should all do our part. I mean that's what the video is about right? I'm asking people what is the next choice (I didn't mention buying an ICE) that we should take. I think the choices I suggested are all better for the environment but perhaps there are more things to consider. I think it's great you are taking that stance, but it feels like you are trying to shame me, and in my opinion, it's not the best way to start a conversation.

[@m.hreels9822]

I wouldn't recommend it. I keep hearing a treasure trove of bad experiences from people over the years. From "there's not enough chargers" to "it costs more than gas sometimes," or "there's not enough chargers in specific areas," or "the chargers don't work all the time," or "the batteries malfunction and then you have to pay a fortune to get them fixed," there are just so many cons right now. I just wouldn't do it! 👎🏻

[@TheSAHDLife]

Yeah I hear you... we don't drive a lot and would charge it 99% at home. And like I said in the video, we'd save a LOT of money over the years vs. our current car. Like $30,000+ over 10 years. That's nuts. But I do have some hesitations too so. You're not wrong!

[@KenMac-ui2vb]

No infrastructure. No range. No cold weather. No resale. No insurance. No service. Charging nightmares. Battery toxicity. I'll take two. SMH.

[@TheSAHDLife]

I hear you. Every time I meet people that own EVs I'm always curious in asking them how their experience has been... And honestly everyone has positive things to say including my friend who has a 2018 Tesla which he bought new. I believe he has over 150,000 km on it and has had minimal maintenance. I don't think it's for everyone and I don't think everyone is going to buy one anytime soon but it's just interesting to talk about you know? My family could use a second vehicle so it's interesting to think about what we should get... The reality is we should probably just buy a used old cheap car for now. But it's hard not to consider the advantages of electric at least theoretically.

[@KenMac-ui2vb]

@@TheSAHDLife I am not saying those advantages don't exist. Just very tired of government putting the horse before the cart and the tax payers reap the burdens... thank you for your comments.

[@TomLawlor-iq6gm]

@@TheSAHDLife My wife and me bought a new Prime in March (after waiting 21 months for it to arrive). We would have purchased a BEV, but here a Model 3 costs $62,000. Our 24 Prime was more than $20,000 less and, we got a $5,000 rebate from the two levels of government on top of that. Our primary reason for going with the PHEV was to reduce fuel use for environmental considerations and, it's working fine. Since mid-March we have put in just over $46.00 worth of gas and that was only to make a road trip. The dealer gassed-up the car for us and that fuel lasted for 3,000Km. Could have gone further if the weather had been warmer ! At this stage we think hybrids and PHEV's are The answer for the environment and our purses.

[@TheSAHDLife]

@@TomLawlor-iq6gm That's fantastic. It's what we hope our situation would be, but it's gotten a little cloudy the more research we've done. Nice to hear real world examples 👊

[@Marcus_Wulfhart]

Holy christ this guy is annoying. Just get an ultra low cost lease on an EV (they are everywhere these days, hello Hyundai). Don't buy an EV, that's dumb

[@TheSAHDLife]

No offense, as smart as you come across I think I believe this guy over your compelling case: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmm2f6OZfrxsatksi=HXkhGlmwstCLX429