Evaluating the Great Leaders of the Genpei War (ft. The Shogunate)

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

Check out the other half of this video on The Shogunate's channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGfcqa2cZZaZd9U

[@TheShogunate]

I am glad we were able to do this! These figures are so fascinating to discuss!

[@TheWarLizard]

Definitely need these periods explored more!

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

It wouldn't be a Buyuuden video without a couple typos in the image captions. Don't hold it against me everyone! I didn't want to make you wait any longer for this one.

[@Sancho_Dex]

I couldn't have asked for a more perfect collaboration. So glad to see it happening.

[@Hilversumborn]

I would love to see this kind of rating for others leaders as well. I.E. the three unifiers.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

I would love to do it for other eras as well! The three unifiers would be fun, and the Bakumatsu would be too.

[@dezopenguin9649]

This plus the paired video on Go-Shirakawa and the Taira have been both great fun and thought-provoking, and I look forward to checking out many of your other videos, especially as you seem to have more focus on the Heian period. This collaboration has gained you a subscriber.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

Thank you and welcome aboard! Hope you enjoy the other videos!

[@anasevi9456]

So glad to learn of your channel and its great historical breadth in time. Cheers to the The Shogunate for the shout out and collab.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

Thanks for making your way over here! I second that cheers!

[@devofanj9452]

Looking at both videos, what is striking to me is how so much of history is made by flawed and humane people in positions of power, despite the legends made around them. It is both humbling and inspirational at the same time. Thanks for illustrating that point so strongly through these!

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

100% agree with that assessment, and I’m glad it came through in the videos!

[@King_Steffon_II]

Thank you for your service, hard work and dedication 🙏🏾

[@kayleemills]

So real for providing the sources I have to write a research paper on the genpei war

[@sixpathskaiokentv]

The greatest collab of all time that I never knew existed, my two favourite historytubers came together to discuss one of my favourite topics.

[@samwill7259]

Was brought over by The Shogunate of course and I just wanted to tell you you have a really nice voice.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

Thank you! That is always reassuring to hear (haha)

[@jimross7648]

I enjoyed this collaboration and would love to debate the choices, but when you agree with those choices it makes disagreeing an inauthentic choice. So I'll simply say a great and well presented video.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

I’m glad you found our conclusions agreeable! Thanks for watching!

[@shaynedavidson7087]

This was great! You two work so well together! I’m wondering if there was anything you disagreed about?

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

A pointed question! We divided up the categories from the outset to make the production process smoother, so there wasn't much opportunity for debate, but I came out feeling quite satisfied with all of his assessments (and hopefully the feeling was mutual).

[@johnschlong5826]

Keep up the good work

[@nichekiesh1723]

Found your channel today, loving the content!

[@paulwillard9687]

Love the Genpei war and the Hein period the Taira are my favourite clan / family by far

[@BaronVonHobgoblin]

A great addition to these videos on the "leaders" would be a video on the structure of the bureaucracy that surrounded them. As an old soldier I am very keen on learning as much as possible about the bureaucracy surrounding the ancient military and ancient police in its own time. It's a sad fact of historiography and military history that organizational charts are not seen as something to be studied. I personally think it is impossible to contextualize military history and its battles without tables of organization that explicate to some degree the organizational tradition we can expect from such and such posting. It is a meme amongst Army veterans that there are fundamental things that remain unchanged across both time and culture. (for example, someone is always in charge of supplies, and there is always someone expected to keep the troops "in line" etc.) The questions are numerous. What was the pathway for orders? What were the ranks within the military bureaucracy? Did these ranks function as we would understand them in the west? There are just so many questions I can think of whenever ancient military organizations are discussed with any length. The stories passed down lack vital information regarding such important military historical matters. I am most interested in the complex interplay of these organizational charts among the State, Region, and local levels as this is something of an unexplored topic even in our own time among or own modern institutions. The former 9 and later 3 years war itself seems heavily invested over this matter of meaning behind someone's appointment within the organizational charts and seemingly played a direct role in the story itself. Everyone focuses on the fight over the ultimate control of the ancient Japanese state yet surely there were lots of issues further down the ancient military bureaucracy, issues that might be instructive to modern armies.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

Once we get to the late middle ages (Sengoku Period especially) there is a good deal of information circulating about how armies were organized and structured, but for the periods I've covered most extensively on this channel (1000-1300-ish) a lot of those details seem to really be shrouded in mystery. The information is probably out there somewhere, but it never really comes up in any of the stuff I read when I'm making these videos (mostly books focused on political history). It certainly is a fascinating question, and if I ever come across anything I'll make a note of it and try to wedge it into a future video somewhere.

[@JoiceVaderd]

I never heard of The Shogunate. Guess I'll have to give his channel a visit

[@jaquaviuspeterson8785]

Adamさんこの動画がすごかった！This video was great I am subscribed to both of your channels and when I saw the notification for this I was really excited and it’s was amazing and very interesting.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

I'm glad to hear you're subscribed to the Shogunate too! It was a fun collaboration.

[@hobokoala2623]

It must have been hard to rate Yoshitsune, given how he had 800 years of good P.R. I woulda bumped up his ambition to a 4 though, he did name himself, that’s ballsy AF.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

That is a good point! I had forgotten about his self-genpuku haha

[@pradyumn2692]

Yoshtsune is like a Japanese equivalent of Han Xin. Brilliant generals, played a crucial role in establishing Kamakura Shogunate and Han Dynasty respectively only to be used and thrown away later by their overlords - Yoritomo and Liu Bang.

[@birdkooistra1329]

Why so often do the eyes in the scrolls, paintings look in different directions ? My ponderings are "He can see everywhere" Or "Looking inside & at ones surroundings".

[@个深緋]

13:20 FYI, that is a statue of Minamoto no Mitsunaka, not Yoshinaka.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

Yes, you are right! My mistake, the poster of the photo on the stock photo website I got it from had it mislabeled. I should have double checked though...

[@hoolemere7584]

Will you do videos of the wars Minamoto no Yoshiie was in? Also how would you rate Yoshiie compared to Yoshitsune and Yoritomo?

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

I’ve talked about Yoshiie a fair amount in episodes 10 and 11 of my main series (Heian #3 and #4) but I absolutely intend to do a Former Nine Years/Later Three Years War video at some point - it’s easily in my top three “must make before I die” videos list. I would have to think a bit about my rating though. He strikes me as closer to a Yoritomo personality-wise in that he was a strong leader who was also a bit sketchy in an “ends justify the means” -type of way.

[@hoolemere7584]

I see thank you. How popular is Yoshiie compared to Yoritomo and Yoshitsune? Is he top 5 Minamoto warriors?

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

@@hoolemere7584 He is quite legendary! Of all the guys I've talked about, he was one of the easiest to find pictures of because he was such a popular subject of premodern Japanese artwork. I would definitely put him in the Top 5 most famous Minamoto warriors (which off the top of my head would probably be something like Yorimitsu, Yoshiie, Tametomo, Yoshitsune, and Yoritomo... Plus maybe Yoshihira)

[@hoolemere7584]

Do you have any legendary stories about him like how Yorimitsu does? I remember reading he was like a child of Hachiman or his avatar.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

@@hoolemere7584 He had his Genpuku (coming-of-age ceremony) at the Iwashimizu Hachimangû shrine in Kyôto, so he was nicknamed Hachiman-tarô, and I believe this led to rumors like the ones you mentioned. I can't specifically think of any legendary stories about him off the top of my head, but his actions in the wars up in northern Japan have all been pretty heavily mythologized.

[@REassassiNATION]

Have you seen the japanese tv series (Taiga Drama) called The 13 Lords of Shogun? It's currently airing and depict the Genpei war

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

I haven’t been able to find the time to watch it, but I’m well aware of it! It’s pretty popular here in Japan.

[@palemoon1904]

I’m not a fan of taiga drama but the 13 lords of Kamakura was so good I had to watch twice so that I can understand fully. Lots of Japanese people praised this drama. You really ought to watch it.

[@arnoldmojados399]

Minamoto is the Goat how the hell ha manage to beat the taira ! With that cliff!!? And the waters?..with no guns at that time

[@dukeheavens9990]

Thanks for the new video am so happy ,I want you to post more please I want to learn more about Japanese culture... 🔥🔥🔥

[@Grand_Master12312]

I would like to see that also for TOKUGAWA IEYASU, ODA NOBUNAGA, TOYOTOMI HIDEYOSHI TAKEDA, UESEGI, MORI, SHIMAZU, HOJO, KURODA, TAKENAKA AND OTHERS

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

Definitely a possibility!

[@TheJam1192]

Little bit of irony, I decided to do a Japan playthrough in hoi4 then this gets posted for me to watch while I play lol

[@horikyosuke4794]

Real shame Yoritomo did what he did to Yoshitsune.... To cope have to believe that he got to mainland and became a chingiskhan kek P.S Great vid and was patiently awaiting for this collab coming any day, wasn't expecting it to come that soon which is amazing 😅

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

Personally I’m a fan of the “lived happily ever after among the Hokkaido Ainu” one haha Glad you enjoyed the video! It was a lot of fun to do.

[@horikyosuke4794]

@@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory yeah that theory sounds much more realistic 😅

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

@@horikyosuke4794 Sadly the standard "died in Hiraizumi" theory is probably the most realistic one, though...

[@arnoldmojados399]

It's Soo Unfair to Rate Yoshitsune like that.. he was the Real hero of Genpei War..Yoritomo was just used by the Hojo..that's the real story

[@harushinonomiya]

Wow, I'm looking forward to seeing your opinion.

[@Takeda_Katsuyori]

I love History

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

As do I!

[@---us7qf]

Hello Mr Buyuuden, I was brought to your channel from The Shogunate. I wanted to ask about the 2 reference books you use for the history series: 1). The one for senior high school children and 2). The reference book written by the lecturer who also teach at senior high. Can you supply links where we can buy them? Or can you buy and sell back to the subscribers of this channel? Yes, I want them in Japanese. Thanks in advanced.

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

I'm honestly not sure how you can acquire them if you are outside of Japan 😅 If you access Amazon Japan I imagine you could at least buy something similar in ebook form. You could also check this site where a large number of used bookstores across Japan sell their products: www.kosho.or.jp/ Some of the vendors (a minority) do international shipping. At the moment I am not looking to do any buying and selling for subscribers, I'm sorry!

[@bigshot088]

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[@buinghiathuan4595]

You should contact Metatron. I sure he would love your content

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

I would love to connect with him someday! Not sure how I’d go about doing that though 🤔

[@iandownes3130]

Everyone knows, Smitty Werbenjägermanjensen was number one!

[@uameamalositagatanofoalii7226]

This is Yoritomo propaganda. Long live the Taira

[@PseudonymsAreGovnoYaEbalGoogle]

The best ruler is Tokugawa Nobuhide. I even remember his quote to this day: "Not everything posted on the internet is true"

[@BuyuudenJapaneseHistory]

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