Ford Lightning Supercharger Test | Does The NACS Adapter Fix Everything?

[@LoveStallion]

No reviewer does a more thorough review than Alex. No one. Keep fighting the good fight, sir!

[@DouginaBoxster]

V4 cabinets make a world of difference. Zero issues with our Mach-E...no assholery needed. Re: V3 stations...when we took our road trip (last week), we looked for locations with 12 or more chargers to help with this issue. Worked great...made a world of difference with more options and reliability...EVERY charge worked no problems. Side note, we have the Ford, Lectron, and A2Z Pro adapters...we find the Lectron easiest to work with, especially in the removal process.

[@junehanzawa5165]

It blows my mind that Tesla has been saying for years now that they would eventually open up their network and almost every single other manufacturer chose to place their ports on one of the 2 WRONG locations. They had a 50-50 shot, how can 90% of them get it wrong?

[@omelborpon3159]

@@junehanzawa5165 Either arrogance or stupidity drove decisions for charge port locations on non-Teslas. I have a beef with how Tesla set up their chargers, where it is necessary to BACK INTO the chargers. Why not set up the chargers as double-sided PULL THROUGH, like pretty much every gas station in the world? IMO this would solve all the charge port locations issues.

[@junehanzawa5165]

@@omelborpon3159 The reason why Tesla has the stalls installed that way is due to property managers/owners. When Tesla began, most were not too keen with EV's and gave Tesla very little space to install their stalls. But even if they had been pull through, if the port is on the wrong side, then a non Tesla would still be taking up the wrong stall, so you would still lose a space. And the reason why the cables are so short is due to the 400V architecture that requires high AMPS to reach those high speeds of 250kWh, but that creates massive amounts of heat. When you double the AMPS you quadruple the heat, so the shorter the cable the better. And the reason they are 400V is that Tesla was first true mass manufacturer of EV's. When they began, 50kWh was top of the line speed and far and few in between. So 400V was more than enough and utilities were giving Tesla a very hard time in providing more power that the 50kWh per stall. When they began with their V1's, 72kWh was the most they were willing to provide. But as EV's became more and more popular, they conceded to the V2's at 150kWh, but even then they said it could "bring down the grid." So imagine when they began with their 250kWh. But by then, politicians were on board. They would never had conceded to providing the power required for 800V when Tesla began. And you don't have to back in if the port is on the passenger side front. You simply drive in front first. Think about this, on ICE the port is only on 2 locations to aid the gas stations layouts -- either driver side rear or passenger side rear. Why can't there be 2 standard port locations for EV's? -- driver's side rear or passenger side front. That said, Tesla has begun installing pull through stalls wherever the space allows it, to aid drivers when towing. And of course, the V4 stalls are meant for 800V and have longer, thicker cables for when charging at 400V. And of course, most manufacturers have now begun placing their ports on one of the 2 correct locations they should have done from the start, on top of adding NACS ports.

[@RJ_Taylor]

Alex, I laughed out loud for, "park like an asshole."

[@LoveStallion]

Me too!

[@FullSpectrumWarrior]

lol

[@scotturich]

I use the Lectron adapter for my Bolt and works great and with a better route planner app will integrate with Apple CarPlay to take you to Tesla chargers

[@bowefamilyEV]

Also the reason you see a higher charging speed the second time is because the battery had a higher pack voltage and your charging speed js a factor of voltage X amps. The first 10ish minutes after plugging in Ford gives you an amp boost and then tapers off. So there is a sweet spot between 30% and 60% where you can get a higher peak rate and below or above it. The rate is adapter agnostic it’s more about the SOC percentage and thermal condition of the battery pack and the charger handle itself

[@acsmoothing2262]

Nerd alert! Mr. Dykes had all of the various tech toys on this trip. (I'm not trying to be mean, just impressed by how detailed this test was. Besides, it takes one to know one!)

[@ontheroadwithralph1530]

I had both the "official" Ford (Tesla) adapter and the A2Z Typhoon Pro for my Lightning. Kept the A2Z, sold the Ford. The A2Z is bigger and heavier, but I like the one-button release and the fact it comes in a nice semi-soft case.

[@FuncleChuck]

😬hope that doesn't backfire

[@JonathanEzor]

I'm about to do my first roadtrip with my Mach-E where I'm planning on using my Ford-provided NACS adapter to charge. Wish me luck!

[@anthonymillett16]

Fantastic video! Thanks!

[@codecthelios]

I have a chevy bolt. I ordered my adapter like a month ago. Still backordered

[@bowefamilyEV]

Just a note that charge location wasn’t at the Tesla Factory those are level 2 destination chargers at a Hotel. The current Ford native navigation does not include the Tesla Supercharger network that’s why you didn’t see more locations when you searched. Also the Fremont factory isn’t a supported or open location to non Teslas because it has a mix of V2 and V3 Supercharger.

[@spacemanspiff9773]

Except for us Tesla owners when non-Teslas use the network. Because of the various port locations the correct parking space sometimes makes the charging impossible.

[@FullSpectrumWarrior]

I’ll wait til they start coming either nacs built in

[@EVandMe]

The navigation only shows stations with magic dock

[@SoloD33A]

I assume the payment works through the tesla app account right? But do you have to select the charger you will be on before you charge? Because thats one of the things i my parents cannot go with evs at this moment as they do not have data to go abroad (we in canada, so would need data for the app in the states) and they do not know enough english to work out how to do charging. Too bad they don't really like the interior of a tesla, as charging at superchargers are just plug and forget.

[@jeffforbess6802]

Also, how many hours did charging add vs ICE? Was it two?

[@Heartless_13224]

It looks like they bumped up the amp limit for the lightning. I was pretty sure it used to peak at 450amp per Out of Spec videos. Glad it can do 500 amps now.

[@EVunedited]

Mmm you know the v4 Tesla have magic-dock built in? Why use your adaptor.. less things to worry about imo

[@EVBuyersGuide]

The whole point was to test the adapter. We could have used a V3 station but it was further away.

[@EVunedited]

@@EVBuyersGuide yeah but i would have mention it for people that dont know… but i get it

[@kimle01]

Wish Ford can upgrade the cooling and let the charging curve hold 175kw to 80%. That would finish up quicker.

[@jeffforbess6802]

I’d be worried about voiding the warranty(esp for the Ford, get the Ford one) or forgetting to uncouple it from the charger. Also, it seems like a failure point, esp if the charger doesn’t recognize it.

[@emoney1231]

Harry Potter, is that you? New glasses? ;)

[@fdelbono]

I have an IONIQ5 and love the little thing. Not sure when Hyundai will join NACS network though....

[@ALMX5DP]

@@fdelbono their press release from last year said implementation would take place Q1 2025.

[@junehanzawa5165]

January 15, 2025. Unfortunately, current Kia/Hyundai EV's chose to use the rear motor inverter (basically regening) when charging on 400V chargers on their current models, so the max they can get is around 97kWh. I'm sure on their future models they'll split the pack when charging on 400V to get the maximum. Not as fast as 800V but we'll over 150kWh or even 180kWh. Rivians, for example, get over 212kWh on V3's.

[@ichinichisan]

Wearing blue, round glasses when driving the Blue Oval. 👓

[@kayak_1]

What data logger application are you using?

[@boomerbits2297]

Google maps in my GM ev also routes me to chargers No need for carplay

[@Rioichi4]

Allow CarPlay/AndroidAuto, but offer software that gives an added benefit (like knowing if many related vehicles have had errors there) seems like such a better product decision than just .. no, sorry, no smartphones, use our software instead.

[@MIA7Xthies]

Damn. This video turned me off for looking at a lightning. Is that normal lag for the touchscreen?

[@kabish0603]

Yes, its awful

[@ChristianBehnke]

I love being able to charge my Lightning at a Supercharger, but their site layout kills me because I always feel like Tesla drivers hate me for taking up two spots.

[@junehanzawa5165]

Most of us don't care. Try to take one of the end spots, and if another none Tesla is charging, park right next to them so only one spot is lost.

[@kabish0603]

Love that SYNC4 response time, their software is such hot garbage.

[@wpelfeta]

Why aren't EV charging stations pull-through like gas stations. Seems like a solved problem.

[@ALMX5DP]

Same reason why parking lots aren’t pull through.

[@JohnSmith-bt4lf]

Inefficient use of space, especially if you want to locate them in places where you expect people to stay for a while. And when space is not efficiently used, that means more wiring is needed, which drives up costs.

[@fdelbono]

That's a great point and there are new EV stations being designed as pull-through, especially focused on those towing. Most currently are not since they rely on legacy infrastructure from the retailer they are installing stations in.

[@rxibot]

What's hilarious is the fact that we just got Apple to understand what standards mean. So if Tesla has a superior way of charging then that should be the standard. The fact that anyone would have to buy something to make it work with their vehicle does not go with the general purpose of business. So can't wait to see the lawsuits come rolling in to force a standard like they're always should be.

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You Everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤

[@junehanzawa5165]

It blows my mind that Tesla had been saying for years that they would eventually open up their network and almost every single other manufacturer chose to place their ports on one of the 2 WRONG locations. They had a 50-50 shot, how can 90% of them get it wrong? If they do it for ICE to help out gas stations by placing the gas inlet port either left or right rear, why could they not have done it for their EV's? Left rear or right front?

[@ztug57]

But the weird thing is that Tesla uses CSS connectors in Europe

[@junehanzawa5165]

@@ztug57 It's not about the connector, it's about the port location being on the wrong locations. Even in Europe. Legacy is beginning to change them, but should have done so from the start. There was no reason whatsoever other than they wanted to sell you new models with proper locations down the line. Those that don't change, will be left behind.

[@sparklander]

I will just hang out at Tesla charging stations and pick up a free one as I imagine many EV owners will regrettably leave their adapter behind on the ground or on the top of their vehicle. HaHa!

[@ultrastoat3298]

2:31 lol that refresh rate is trash 😂. Man legacy auto is bad at software.

[@ztug57]

And Tesla isn't all that good at building cars. I'd rather have an electric car built by an automobile manufacturer than a computer company.

[@ultrastoat3298]

@@ztug57 literally a myth. #1 selling vehicle on earth while having sky high consumer satisfaction. Those are the actual facts.

[@victorvek5227]

The answer to the title of the video is “clearly not”. Pulling out the phone, cross-referencing Tesla app, abetterrouteplanner, etc., then manually plugging in those fast charger addresses into the embedded ford navigation is beyond frustrating - it’s diabolical. No one wants to do any / all of that. What would be incredible is if Tesla would share its supercharger nav data with partnering brand vehicle OEM navs. Ford always seems to direct you by default to EV-Go, EA, etc. and almost never seems to pick Tesla superchargers, even when they’re “in-network”. That sucks. Especially if it’s dark, cold, the battery is low, and you’re already anxious enough. It would also be nice if in the future, it would be possible to retrofit a heat pump into 2022-2023 models.

[@R56Cooper]

Hopefully tesla releases official extension cables! 🙏🙏

[@EVBuyersGuide]

They have recently thrown cold water on that. Sounds like they are not working on it despite some initial rumors.

[@andrewdubose9968]

If you go into the charge assist app on the car, it should show you a more comprehensive list of superchargers. It will navigate and precondition the battery then there, or if you selected as a previous destination from the factory navigation. Although the most frustrating thing has to be the inability to link your Tesla, Electrify America, etc., accounts with your Ford account. Native plug and play would be slick. Bolt owners: nothing personal, but y’all still suck. Not a whole lot better than ICE’d.

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

You fix the lightning by removing most of the batteries and dropping in a v8

[@jenesuispasbavard]

These adapters are so overpriced for what's inside them lol.

[@walkerdarin2003]

Pretty confident Tesla is Making the adapter not ford

[@nc3826]

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