Eve Online - How to haul

[@lawsonic]

Returned to EvE recently. My one character with a Charon, picked up a contract yesterday.. too good to be true. Couster to Jita only 80mil collateral, 20 mil reward. Contents 49 iterons 980m3 so max use of cargo extentenders, weakened HP. By chance, good luck or whatever, there was nothing there 8am EU time Sunday morning.. Having watched this, I'm giving up hauling until I have enough to replace a possible lost ship.

[@nolan4339]

Ya, as I started playing in Alpha state, it really dawned on me just how much an alpha lacks in terms of trying to haul in safety, especially if you are trying to do anything in Lowsec, as they have no access to cloak. And with the changes to Warp Core Stabilizer, they can no longer stack 5-6 of those. With that you can only get a core stabilization value of 2, so it really doesn't take much for someone to pin you down. That makes it so align time is really the only crutch an alpha has.

[@mctobi2921]

But you dont need to stay alpha, if you already maxed out in skillpoints at 5 mil, u just can buy omega and sell the newly gained skillpoints to buy next omega and so on....

[@akslr8]

"If somebody is out to gank you, then you are going to get ganked." When EVE makes its pitch to newbros, it should lead with this.

[@Viewable11]

Better: "PvP starts when you start the game."

[@kriddius]

the undock of trade hubs is a gank spot many overlook. you have a small invulnerable window on undock but the moment you do anything (align, initiate warp, stop, target etc) you can be targeted make a bookmark a few hundred km or more directly ahead of the station undock and insta-warp after exiting station

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

This is a definite must have for haulers coming out of Jita. Haulers, please stop exploding next to me it makes me nervous.

[@SoftBreadSoft]

@@dag_of_the_west5416 LOL

[@anthonyzullo]

Also, get insurance on freighters. Always I sure capital ships.

[@vinodsiba4823]

@@dag_of_the_west5416 your zkillboard is extremely laughable... you sure ur not the one exploding all the time?

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

@@vinodsiba4823 lol, I don't have any Eve characters by this KZbin name.

[@skulduggerous]

Small corrections: You can insta-warp in a Freighter using webs, so that will definitely keep you reasonably safe - unless there's a tackle already on gate, instalock tackles generally beat webs, if they go out on the same tick. You can also not bump indefinitely anymore, after three minutes, you will go into warp. Obviously that is still enough time to assemble a gank fleet, and there's ways around it as well. Great introductory advice on how to safely haul on a private basis though! Keep it up!

[@strange_Net]

Ill have to check this out! Thanks

[@skulduggerous]

@@strange_Net Something like a Vigil Fleet Issue with 3x statis webifiers (~55-60%) can put a Freighter into instawarp.

[@strange_Net]

@@skulduggerous Thanks, ive done it with the 1x web but oddly never thought about trying multiple webs....

[@TheOldhaole]

@@strange_Net my scout/web flies a condor with dual webs. if you set up bookmarks-put a cloak on the web/alt and stay relaxed, you'll beat the insta-lock every time as you decide when you jump the gate....in short, i always take the extra time to scout the system im going into

[@SuperKeithers]

idk about "instant warp" however it speeds it up amazingly!

[@danieltal3d]

One of the best Eve videos I have watched. Thank you for the laughs. I am one of those poor bastards who lost 20billion hauling, AFK, in high sec on scam haul. Now, I haul small amounts of stuff, not AFK in an armored beast of ships.

[@ChaotiX1]

Let me guess, Impel?

[@danieltal3d]

@@ChaotiX1 no, I wish. Obelisk. Was set up.

[@BadYossa]

Spot on vid and message. People get ganked because of greed and stupidity, then moan about gankers. Would you want to lose your ship, your cargo and some dignitiy (!) for the sake of a may a few percentage points. Some of the trade hubs near me are not massively different to Jita, so why risk it. It truly baffles me.

[@strange_Net]

Hey Bad, thanks for the sub ;-) Ive only every really been ganked once and that was because a went AFK in a prowler at a moon in High Sec so very much my own fault. If you are getting ganked regularly then you are doing something very wrong. As you said greed and just not knowing. So yea baffles me to lol

[@sankaplays3098]

I can only imagine its because they have assets locked in low or null sec stations which they at a certain point desperately try to move to a safe spot to consolidate said assets from. I came back to eve from playing a few years ago and I have 92 bil worth of blueprints and materials in a nullsec system 4 warps away from 0.5 leading up to 1.0 systems close by and I still haven't made a move for it. Definitely not pulling a suicide run though.

[@alen7492]

@@sankaplays3098 Hi! for this game you need patience. When you have ANY problem, just deep dive in our friend google. Don't give up! Peace! :-)

[@warmonger2500]

When I moved stuff in my freighter, was ice back in the day, I was multi-boxing, so I always took a logi ship with my freighter. Might not save the ship, but if they weren't expecting the reps, there was a good chance to save it.

[@EricT43]

Great video. There is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding about safe hauling practices. For anyone who is nervous about hauling, or who doesn't want to invest the skill points and ISK into a proper hauling ship, your best bet is to contract it out to a professional hauling corp like PushX. That way you outsource the risk, and your assets are insured via the contract collateral. But the fact that corps like that exist prove that hauling can be done safely. It's just not as easy as many people think. Safe hauling is a learned art.

[@paso7943]

You can not bump a ship indefinitely anymore. Only for 3 minutes. After that the ship will enter warp, no matter where and what speed you have.

[@TheSebiestor]

yeah not quite, a bumper will have a smaller ship with him to initiate a weapons timer i.e. fires at u, and u can be bumped for as long as that timer lasts while the gank fleet arrives. even with concord on grid, u will still die to the gank fleet.

[@strange_Net]

Thanks, I wasnt aware that machanic had been changed.

[@Frostshaitan]

@@TheSebiestor They dont just fire at you, that wont stop the warp, they point you which shuts the warp off and you need to start the 3m warp timer from the start.

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

@@Frostshaitan can you do that in hisec?

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Got ganked today with just 20 million isk worth of cap batteries. As a new player that wipes out about a few hours of work and about a quarter of my net worth. Was trying to turn accumulated LP from faction warfare into ISK. On the other hand, I made about twice that the other day doing the same. I'll probably stop use cap batteries and start using ammo just to reduce the cargo size.

[@FuaConsternation]

7:45 i don't want to knock Strange's excellent video, but i should point out that gankers can and will routinely blow up empty ships plying the trade routes just because....bored. [edit: he does mention that very thing at the tail end of the vid]

[@knocturn-al6665]

At 5:35sec - roflmaso..." 8 billion isk, dont do it,....Just dont Do it .... Whats wrong with these people?" lol had me cracked up

[@slitaitana6212]

Honestly they revamped Capital VS small target. I think small target VS capital should have also been reworked. I mean at some point it makes no sense that a BB gun can take down a tank no matter how many BB guns you bring.

[@fergieD96]

I had some inconsistences using the MWD warp trick, my time to warp is sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. It might just be getting practice though. Thanks for the how to o7

[@oddish2253]

It works better from a complete stop. Even better if ur aligned

[@TheOldhaole]

try activating the mwd before the cloak...align/mwd/cloak fi you're having issues, sometimes it just works better that way

[@DrunkenGuitarGuy]

make sure you are using the improved cloak, prototype is too slow!

[@mistersandy]

I find that using a low cost frigate ship for small stuff doesn't get bothered with. I feel comfortable moving as much as 500m in one. If you use a ship that is optimal for a transport, such as the ones you're suggesting, the gankers also watch your channel...

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

You could still get cargo scanned.

[@goldeneagle256]

good and informative video. just to add on comment on the viator and occator. so only the viator are immune to cargo scanners, but occator instead have role bonus of +2 warp core strenght, meaning they are quite slippery and hard to pin down. i have been warp scramled couple of times on my occator with sad results on neuts part. just as base you need either 2 scramblers or 1 faction scrambler to hold an occator, and if that one on top have warp core stabilizer in low slot, thats not even gonna be enougth. you dont stand a chance with disrupter regardless of type, and cheapest faction scram cost about 60 mill, so they arent exactly standard for most people

[@Taz6688]

Being immune to cargo scans can be the kiss of death, they will pop you regardless, just thinking you 'must' have something juicy in the hold, I used one for the warp speed and align speed, I got popped before the screen loaded, they took 23m in minerals, they messaged me blaming me for using an un-scanable ship, they said it was normal to pop a ship they could not scan as it normally was a good drop.

[@Cynosarus-Rex]

The best way is to understand how much you can haul per the tank, let's say your in a dst and have 130k ehp heated, stay under 500 mil and your mostly good, a maxed out tank on dst you can get up to 400kehp but your going to spend alot of the tank, you can haul a few bil, as dsts are not reliable to bump n gank as easily so they will need same large fleet used for freighters and may not get the kill. Also if you want to do mwd cloak trick, use a 50mn not a 5, and if you go that route, understand your giving up alot of tank and speed, so don't leave a gate without doing it

[@ekscalybur]

The best way is to jam a freighter completely full on autopilot. No one would suspect it.

[@asytufgufbasf9170]

It really based on thorough research on your routes and timing, fly a simple ship to check the route then starting moving the item. Last time I move 1.7 billion isk using Crane and a few hundred millions of ships using Bustard. It was really nerve wrecking.

[@AwoudeX]

Hecate is the name of a Greek ancient god i believe. So the first e is short like in 'despair' and the 2nd e is long like in 'she'.

[@JB-xi2yv]

Where ever I go I'm always aligned and ready to warp out. I've dodged so many times just by being careful and watching the scanners; you ANYTHING warp in you don't know, you gtfo and better bet safer than sorry. Some other miners are even in on it and message their pirate buddies, or have alts, and they just wait for that wrong moment.

[@Taz6688]

Last time I used a web assist, they were flagged at the next gate and could not jump until the timer dropped, CCP has made this possible, you pay taxes to enable system security, the faction police do nothing, concord only show up after you have been attacked, from a lore point the local security should ensure bandits cannot carry out these activities in protected systems, so many times you see -10 appear in system, you know whats happening, they ship up and gank, lore again how can the most dangerous criminals fly around ship up and gank in a system where your taxes pay for security. What used to be a rare event is now de rigueur for living in space you pay taxes for. I got ganked before the screen even loaded, I checked and saw it was ok to undock, before the screen loaded I heard the noise, then the screen changed, I was in a pod and the vultures picking my wreck clean, I only had 20m in goods, nothing worth shooting.

[@SuperKeithers]

Yes, your webber had a 1minute aggro timer to go thru the gate for an aggressive action. HOWEVER, your freighter has a 1 minute cloak timer to wait for them on the other side. Though, if being pursued, I see how webbing being aggressive really complicates the escape -.- Lore wise, gankers should lose highsec docking rights, and if that was so, those tags to repair the security status would go up in value at least some.

[@ChaotiX1]

@@SuperKeithers hisec gankers should have their warp drives shut down as soon as they redbox another player. From what I understand Concorde has the ability to do that

[@alexandrebelinge8996]

mark ganker corp, join the channel Why was I ganked they all hangout in there and chirp people they just ganked and try to sell them permits . It is hilarious. Edit also there's a Twitch channel with ganker hotstops, killboard history ... tons of intel.

[@SuperKeithers]

Thanks for doing a dont feed the gankers special, but dont expect much results, education is tough! Step 1) DONT GO THROUGH UEDAMA, oh wow, strange net has some legit rules!

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

True last time I went through Uedama saw 29 ships ganking someone, but it wasn't me.

[@TheKutia]

Tripple web hugin will insta warp a freighter lol

[@TheAdam2877]

I remember my first hauler loss as a newbie back in 2013. I had only been playing for 3 months and decided to take my hard earned isk and buy an Astero with fit along with other stuff. I made it about 2 jumps from Jita when all the sudden I heards alarms blaring and my hauler insta pop. I had no idea what had happened as I wasnt aware you could be attacked in high sec unless you were suspect. Yes I was that naive lmao. It made me sick to my stomach, hands were shaking, it literally felt like I had just got into a fight. After that I was shaken but not shook. I was hooked. I immediately wanted revenge but knew I had to learn. So I went and joined Red Vs. Blue aka RVB. Started learning the ropes and am still playing today. Nothing in this game is 100%safe unless you just stay docked up. Thats what makes this game so special. It is literally an open sandbox and its all risk vs reward. Get in a corp with players that has the same interests and learn how to avoid being a victim and even then it still happens to the best of us. Good luck and fly safe 07

[@strange_Net]

Hey Adam, this is why I love the game every time you're not in station you are at risk and that should keep you on your toes. I think people fall into either category getting ganked like you and going your route or the this sucks im off. Eve can be rough but thats its appeal for me for sure.

[@richnergard7424]

hell i got ganked with only 100,000 isk im new and i cryed like a little girl....lol bbut what tha hell is people thinking with billions and getting ganked....love your vid...you could have saved me millions with this

[@godofm3tal1]

"need to transport expensive stuff? just don't do it. there's your tutorial on how to do it" so tell me... a nullsec pvp group based out of pure blind or something on the outskirts of the Galaxy. they need to buy 50 ships to keep on hand for sorties in their home structures. how exactly do you expect they get 50 caracals or whatever from jita or any other hub back to the home structure?

[@ZoeylaRose]

with a escort i would assume ? :P

[@jasonervin6541]

I'm telling you I was so tired one day I fell asleep on my way to Jita when I woke up I was back in my home dock

[@strange_Net]

Think weve all been there! If youve not fallen asleep at the keyboard have you even played Eve!

[@WayTooSuppish]

You know what? In order to "Haul" you basically have to exploit the exploiters and it's fucking trash that you are basically subject to being ganked literally at any point. There's nothing stopping 50 catalysts from rolling up on a 0.8 or 0.9 system and alpha fuckin some hauler to hell even if he's only hauling 600 or 700 million and being smart

[@keyxo_verskem]

80% of what this guy has said so far is "You're going to get ganked" - I skipped ahead on this video and that's literally all I heard

[@grondhero]

I haven't played EVE in years, but when I did, I spent a lot of time in a hauling company. If you use a freighter, haul 1bn or less. T1 haulers keep it under 200 mil. There's a Haulers Channel that will give you better, more updated advice. (Put ganker corps on your red/orange lists - don't AFK haul) PushX and Red Frog Freight were two big hauling corps when I played. (I _think_ there was a third, but not sure.) You can always use them if you don't want to haul it yourself.

[@mekko1413]

One thing to mention is using secure containers to increase the cargo size of the smaller ships. For example if i load up 26 giant secure containers into my occator i can get up to 98k m3 of storage. This is possible because the giant secure container only takes up 3km3 but holds 3.9km3. Smaller secure containers can be used on those smaller ships to get a boost also.

[@Kni0002]

good for long range and lots of small items to haul, not so good for hauling bulky items or small items a couple jumps

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

If I was a ganker and my cargo scanner showed 26 giant containers I would definitely gank you.

[@Mad_AL]

The Obilisk had his bulkheads in cargo 3:24

[@eveiskfast]

It almost doesn't make sense to haul unless you have a small army to defend the prize. Why would anyone get into hauling if they couldn't scale their operation up beyond loads of 1bn? I'm a big believer in bulkheads myself, on the Astero they bring ehp up better than armor pumps and they've saved my bacon a few times.

[@Frostshaitan]

Bulkheads on a freighter at least are not worth it.. they wont deter gankers from ganking you, all it does is slow your align time down. If you are carrying enough to be worth ganking and dont take other precautions to be as safe as possible they will get you with or without bulkheads.

[@keldon_champion]

I used to solo explore around null and WH I used a viator to stealth in and out when it was time to cash in my haul, it might not have been the safest way to do it but multiple trips through WH hauling was unappealing to me and fit for fast alignment it's pretty damn safe as long as you pay attention and keep yourself out of bad situations, I also would park at the closest HS station to break up my haul into several trips at that time, I just wanted to scoop my depot and haul it out of null in 1 trip

[@egarum]

pacifier has bonus to warp speed per skill lvl and more cargo then the leopard

[@AwoudeX]

I'd say bothering with cloak paints a target on your back, you've got something that is worth not getting scanned. If it weren't for the harder times to get you locked, cloak would be not worth it to hide your cargo. They'll just try to lock and shoot first and check later.

[@Psycked]

Safety. Got a nice shout out here hahaha

[@btc_noob]

I've hauled ~1B to Jita solo many times.... got jumped once (0.6B in PI). Of course that was before the changes to stabs... just getting back into the game so we'll see what happens. It's pretty easy to move over 1B in a small ship. It's also easy to have over 1B in hi-sec compressed ore and PI in their respective transports. I don't have the skills for blockade runners. Today with the changes in stabs... I will probably use my alt as a scout. If something looks fishy... dock, change ships and find some content to entertain myself with. Patience is key. Cloak + MWD (+ quick align) for the win!

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

8:54 on the sunny fit not sure why no AB or shield hardeners for the empty mids. If you say no need then why the bulkhead and damage control when you could have an injector or nanofiber for those lows.

[@marcuscho1166]

if you want to move some blueprints, just use a shuttle or a ship.

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

I use a really fast Condor for blueprints.

[@Hammahlovesyou]

Step one: pay someone else to do it. Step 2: profit

[@whisperingdreams3170]

perfect answer!

[@SuperKeithers]

that's the best way to haul

[@williamwiese9963]

I've hauled a ton in a Gnosis lol, they never look at ya

[@mrmudcatslim1004]

Your last download had me thinking you got ganked in Tama maybe. Then this. Ah says I, till I actually watched that last one. Had me thinking that maybe this was an answer to lowering the risk of getting ganked, and yeah it was. So I went and watched the video to see your reaction on getting ganked, then no gank. What???? Don't know if it was on purpose or not, but it was effective in getting me to sit through what I thought was yet another gate ganking. Someone already posting up more new gate ganking footage in Eve. I suppose that on never gets old. Right.

[@strange_Net]

hey Mr Mud, yea no wasn't internal just on the prior video me running around in a Prowler carrying XXX billion ISK and asked why I didnt use XXX ship instead. Seemed like a good Segway on how to move stuff around and TBH id been wanting to make this video for a while.

[@mrmudcatslim1004]

@@strange_Net Well it was still a useful video. I imagine it helped a few folks.

[@BadYossa]

@@strange_Net Interesting use of Segway :-)

[@hikingphotog]

I'd have to say, I completely disagree with the theory of just avoid ganks by not hauling anything valuable... (kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4TbgmlrpJuffqM) instead I make myself too hard of a target. I say rather than telling noobs to just not haul expensive cargo, teach them how to properly fit a hauler to survive gankers so they can enjoy the game a little more. I actually get disappointed these days when I don't get scanned, even when I'm not baiting but legit hauling billions between hubs. It doesn't take much to max tank a hauler, even T1 with alpha skills can get to 60k ehp or more. Then a T2 transport, like the mastedon, can hit 400k ehp. When you make yourself too much effort to bother with, they don't even lock you anymore. I'm curious though how many blacklists I've been put on over the years. But for realz, this same theory can apply to frigates too, get yourself a Raptor and cheap faction fit over 20k ehp, completely passive and omni. As fast as it moves and warps, it would take some crazy coordination and timing to pull off a gank with enough ships that would require to break it even when autopiloting. I've also used my Raptor to bait nado's, its great. Then for freighters, yeah, just tank fit them and get a web alt. Heck my brother and I flew 10's of billions into Jita even during burn Jita without any issues. With a web assist, even just moving a freighter takes it down to just over 1 min per system (weapons timer on the web ship between jumps). With long range webs on something like a Hyena you can hit an uncloaking freighter anywhere on a gate.

[@MultiBattlecry]

Thanks for the video. Yes I got ganked about an hour ago. 😂

[@sowersass2]

I have used a badger i cant use better yetmy align time is like 5-6 seconds and that feels long but I stopped using expanded cargoholds all together. But recently I run to jita in my intercepter and its so quick

[@anids1988]

jesus code is still goign around ganking mining ships and avoiding pvp i see lol....the fact they moved onto probing out maras and ganking them too now is just boring.....what they gonna do when all the carebears gone and only pvp they can find is 0.0 blob fights lol, last time my corp war dec'ed code they sat on amarr undock with a amry of nuet logis to save them, that was afew years ago now and by looking at it they havent changed much lol

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

I rarely mine but was in .6 or .7 mining gneiss before the changes and a Code member came up and target locked my Venture telling me to buy a mining permit. I was already aligned and just instawarped to a station leaving my 2 drones behind. Came right back in a Navy combat ship target locked him telling I wouldn't ever buy a permit. He didn't want to PVP a fight he might lose so he left. I did it all so quick I was even able to recover my drones.

[@shalaconballard9912]

No the reason players get ganked because CCP promotes it they back the gankers like the Code by interfering with newbie routes and keeping Concord from interfering with the gankers in High sec . Back in 2019 the Code made 97 trillion in drops its why they split because the other corps that made up the code wanted a larger part of the loot . Now there are like 5 large ganking corps out there . The Code and the other ganking corps have done more damage to EVE online because they only target newbies for the most part its why the member numbers stay the same they can not cope with being gank all the time the new players like these ganking corps do until the newbie just quit the game .

[@strange_Net]

How does CCP back the gankers? Also if you gank someone in High Sec you will be Concorded for it every time.

[@oddish2253]

It's no accident CCP made choke points like Uedama and Odin. Ganking is a play style, it's an active community like any other. The truth is CCP prefer gankers over miners, gankers earn their plex through actual work.

[@professoralphane3209]

@@strange_Net The fact they didn't use the new gate event to create more routes to use , the warp stab nerf , there refusal to use the gate gun mechanic to make gates considerably safer ( they only target one ship ) . CCP love gankers they are the main reason , outside null wars , that people lose assets, more assets lost more plex sold .

[@jackiemaitai1857]

as a ganker ccp dont give a fuck abiut anything, we invest money to gank, im a ganker for money i dont ganker miner i gank hauler becouse is they are stupid to move a lot of isk they are taking the risk i invest money in the ship that gonna gank , i invest 500 mill in 5 tornados , 250 mill in a t2 hauler , 10 mill in a t1 to loop and scoop to t2 hauler so dont get yellow, invest 500 mill in another ship for pvp to protect my invest, in every gank i need to win more that 150 to be worth, 100mill for another tornado 25 mill in medal to my security status 25 of profit or for some item overprice, if see a t1 hauling 1b iknow that i can win 500mill a least, but do you know that can drop 2 or 3 mill so is hard , but i pay 3 years of game in 4 month becouse i learn fast what to gank. i learn fit i learn from my mistakes , i improve to be better, i wait hours for the perfect shot and prey, i have to know if my damage is enough to kill or let them pass in seconds, i have to deal with thieflooter bots , i have to have buget to kill people trying to pretend to be cops, and ganker are the more nice people in eve that i know they share the profit , they laught of the kill that hey made , something good loot sometimes was a wasted time and money , we share info about big target for some profit for the intel, we trade thing that we get i become better industrial thx to be a ganker, i dont need to mine to have ore, gas , mineral. i dont ratting, i dont buy ship i made myself i have faction modules thx to people that are dumb

[@lovernatz]

@@jackiemaitai1857 you started somewhere

[@newchaoz]

Thanks so much for this life saving video! Can you also share the Suness fit?

[@R3gga3SharkYT]

I got a blockade runner to haul some ore and other small stuff its 100% worth the peace of mind. Until I learned that they cant be cargo scanned so doesn`t matter if I have stuff or not its still dangerous lol auto pilot.

[@richardpriest3675]

And it’s always the same people you see ganking,so there’s obviously no penalty to ganking people who afk and try to shift lots of isk.cup allow this not because it’s wrong but because it’s pointless to police it…..look like a target become a target.

[@TheSebiestor]

same people ganking because its a handful of players multi boxing and cheating by input broadcasting

[@bigjoebob]

Great video

[@IanVaughanMe]

any links to videos showing the cloak+MWD trick?

[@FuaConsternation]

10:00 - OMFG they gave back the leopards 22au/s warp speed?!?!!?!? weeeee such a fun ship. thanks, i didn't check back after they'd nerfed it more than a few years ago i personally use blockade runners as my default shuttle (what i flit around with all the time and have with my main character's main implant set all. the. time.)...they've got great AU/s, and have cov ops cloaks, the ability to crash gates and tank...not to mention cargo expander potential to carry around 13k m³ all in all, these should be your end game vision for any carebear activity you partake in that isn't specialized. just consider it the veteran version of the shuttle. (ofc, i still use a corvette when going to grab a newly bought ship, shuttling ships around when moving bases, etc)

[@bombicusbombicus8345]

Deep space transoprts have another emergency maneuver option - Cloak + MJD. MWD + Cloak saves you from pre-scan and regular camps Cloak + MJD saves you from bumpers and Tornado-like camps Combine both and you have the highest chances to survive.

[@bombicusbombicus8345]

Also, 500mn Impel exists for some reason.

[@onemoredag4858]

Hey man, nice vid! Could you please share the fits of the Sunensis and the Hecate? The 1sec with hecate is achieved with the rigs? Thnx!

[@alen7492]

Hi... You haven't listened carefully. He sad that He will try with implants to lower it under 1s align time. Because only when you have align time below 1 sec, and that's mean 0.99s or less.

[@tylerabbott4562]

I saw an empty Crane ganked in Uedama yesterday (not mine though ;] ) and I thought how do you autopilot a Crane??

[@TheSebiestor]

crane is a BR and impervious to cargo scanning, so, full or empty, they are shot down

[@tylerabbott4562]

@@TheSebiestor you are correct and I’m aware, that’s why I fly them ;) but my question is, since those are very hard to catch in high sec (Uedama gank crew is primarily looking for freighters and blinged ratters), why would someone autopilot their BR?

[@Triggernlfrl]

@@tylerabbott4562 The long way home with nothing in the holds. It is a fast afk jumper but i would not take the risk either.

[@Frostshaitan]

@@tylerabbott4562 they might not have been autopiloting, maybe they just couldnt be bothered cloaking up because they were empty and the gankers gave it a crack.

[@pup5330]

The counsel of Diplomatic shuttle is 1.42 s & has a decent cargo hold i can fit 200 Cruise Missiles

[@strange_Net]

Same align time as a normal shuttle and same cargo hold, however the Diplomatic shuttles do have slightly more HP.

[@fellscarab3]

Cloak MWD T1 haulers has gotten me through alot of HS. Never gotten ganked. I think its a mix of luck and no cargo scanning opportunity and that its a T1 so people dont want to risk it.

[@heepox]

so what im hearing is dont move anything above 100mil at a time and allways cloak and bring that align time down.

[@pauljenkinson1452]

I am surprised high value cargo freighter do not pay for a corp to provide login and webber support. Even paying 100M is a fraction of the loss.

[@iminzc]

Those gankers are dumb an they will get what’s coming to them 😅 I’ve looked at my zkill an the weapons they had were insane but it’s ok there no serious tank that can thwart them all but there are some Sniper ships 😅 if it’s gotta one by one so be it

[@MrMejIT]

Great video again. I haul gas in a miasmos 200mil on average. I mwd cloak at all gates and travel at low traffic times. I expect to get caught at some stage but that is part of the risk and attraction of the game; knowing routes important I add no tank as if locked I will die. Have hauled huge volumes in this way. Cloak is key. Not sure if another ship would help? Thanks again for all these insights into eve.

[@Triggernlfrl]

I would transport 200 mil gas in battle Orca so there is to little value to gank.

[@Salmon_Toastie]

@@Triggernlfrl Same here, orca is one of my favourite ships to fly for a reason. As for any ore an endurance while not as tanky has quite a large ore hole (I call my endurance the hold runner) and if you compress your stuff you can shove fuck loads in there with a 2.3 align time. Prospect can work with covert OPS but lower cargo hold.

[@DrunkenGuitarGuy]

like you said, biggest rule is to not make it worthwhile for the gankers! i go from jita - amarr lots, i do it in a tanked impel and try to keep it under a bil! and i have the mwd cloak trick to fall back on as well! i skilled into a freighter and tried in one night! way too slow for my liking!

[@Salmon_Toastie]

I use a tanked orca for most of my freighter needs. Those small tech 1 haulers are literally introductory ships that should never be used.

[@DrunkenGuitarGuy]

@@Salmon_Toastie i have played since 2013 and by this point can fly everything i want to! i do fly t1 haulers at times as they do still have use, and saying they don't shows your own lack of understanding about this game! the world doesn't revolve around you!

[@TheOldhaole]

Using a web alt makes your freighter insta-warpy. you should also cover MWD/Cloak warping with your tech I's to avoid the fast tacklers.

[@TheOldhaole]

sorry, i missed the part on mwd/cloak

[@davidd9707]

Try popping a quafe green apple to get under 1 second!

[@cooperstephen5810]

What’s your opinion on how EVE Echoes handled hauling? I’d personally like to see it implemented into EVE - it would be good for new players content, and also be positive for the health of the EVE economy.

[@strange_Net]

Hey, never played it and know nothing about it.

[@cooperstephen5810]

@@strange_Net So on top of the contract system, which is similar to what exists in proper EVE, Echoes has a dedicated hauling mechanic for transfer between the specific regional ‘trade-hubs’ (In Echoes, most regions have a designated trade-hub station, which also acts as an InterBus Corp Office). Once docked, you can open up a list of hauling contracts located at your current location, view their destination and number of jumps, and what the average isk per m3 is - that last bit is where things are different, as you don’t need to accept contracts in full, but rather in an m3 volume amount, with collateral and pay scaling accordingly to what you actually ship. You only have to choose how much m3 you want to carry (100m3 being the minimum), and a shipping container of that size is put inside your item hanger (provided you can cover the collateral). Upon arrival, there’s a prompt for delivery, and then you’re good! This lowers the barrier of entry for newer players looking to haul, as they can do this activity in t1 industrials or smaller, faster aligning ships and accept smaller portions of larger contracts with less collateral. And with more people hauling, it’ll help move more items quicker around the universe, helping the economy in non-Forge regions. You can even create some kind of dedicated InterBus LP for the activity. I wouldn’t recommend Echoes - it’s not that great, but they did do a few things right! Lol

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

Technically ganking is good for the Eve economy and me in particular, even though I despise gankers. You see when all those ships blow up (including Concord'd ones) helps me sell more ore and modules. Also have frequently been traveling through Perimeter and able to quickly salvage a few million hadn't planned on.

[@celfhelp]

in life, it's generally unnacceptable to say "well if you didn't want that to happen you shouldn't have gone out looking like that" in eve, it's the direct opposite. lmao

[@pablobanninger4016]

I have a question here as a newbie. Why do people also kill you if you carry way below 1 million? I got killed multiple times now for nothing. Is it just the thrill of it?

[@alen7492]

Yep... you guessed right. But that's rarer. Top killers are profit hunters. Peace!

[@TheSebiestor]

i dont know if you're just out of touch or just dont know. Why dont you talk about, or even look into the same few multi-boxing players that cheat with input broadcastinh to pull off these ganks. Though, as you are a goon, would you even dare go there?

[@strange_Net]

Not even sure where to start with this lol. OK

[@TrafficContent]

i got a anonymous tip for imperium so I'm using my 50 mil on this

[@TheGentlemanGamerGG]

So your saying i shouldn't turn on autopilot and make a sandwich?

[@strange_Net]

By all means make that sandwich and auto pilot just don't when you have 500 mil in your T1 hauler lol

[@RenlangRen]

This should be tacked near the top of the discussion. Suicide ganking is way overblown. Just don’t make yourself an appealing target and you will not likely ever have a problem.

[@nighteed02]

The problem is the game itself. It is a nightmarish cesspit filled with loathsome villainy that simply want to screw as many folks over as possible. If you want to play a space sim to space truck, why do it with folks that simply want to screw you over?

[@alen7492]

A more positive look on it: without the thrill of the possibility of failure, there is no real feeling of success. Peace!

[@TheAnon03]

Take 2bil ISK of stuff, stick it in a Badger II and YOLO!!! Worked for me more than once.

[@ZeroWalker26]

my question is there even a point to owning a freighter ? I mean seeing as they almost go for 4.2 billion isk (that what one Fenrir goes for where im at. ) they would be juicy targets even if they where empty. I mean it´s a like 4.2bill kill mail even if the cargo hold was completely empty. And I know Most ganker don´t kill you for the loot they kill you to piss you off for their own amusement. So owning a Freighter seams like your asking to get ganked becuse how stupidly expensive they are.

[@strange_Net]

They are silly expensive at the moment and it takes at best 290 mil ISK to gank one. Something somewhere is out of balance.

[@ZeroWalker26]

Yeah a t2 mining ships has the same problem the risk of being ganked is way way to high and you lose 250-300mill while the gankers can kill you in a few destroyers worth maybe 30-50mill. The risk they take is so minimal losing buying a skiff or a hulk or such is not worth the skills training nor the isk they cost.

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

@@strange_Net if only some trillionaire industrialist type could buy up all the catalysts and drive the price up. I sure someone like Oz could make it happen but I tend to think he is indirectly profiting from all this. I know I am due to the nature of my business but that was never my intention.

[@ChaotiX1]

Moral of the story: You WILL be ganked.

[@TheNicestPig]

5b Badger gang

[@adam8688]

I'm that guy.

[@RayHorn5128088056]

I prefer living in a less populated area with less going on.

[@Submanca]

So you told us what to haul in but nothing about "How to haul". 18 mins wasted.

[@grondhero]

I haven't played EVE in years, but when I did, I spent a lot of time in a hauling company. If you use a freighter, haul 1bn or less. T1 haulers keep it under 200 mil. There's a *Haulers Channel* that will give you better, more updated advice. (Put ganker corps on your red/orange lists - don't AFK haul) PushX and Red Frog Freight were two big hauling corps when I played. (I think there was a third, but not sure.) You can always use them if you don't want to haul it yourself.

[@iShaymus]

I have moved 10s of billions of isk around and never been ganked. Blockade rubber with cov ops cloak and fast align time. Even if they take 2sec to decloak they are left without time to lock you

[@swedishmanguy]

MWD??? What does that mean?

[@strange_Net]

Micro Warp Drive

[@cotillion]

just lost my leopard in a smart bomb gate gank lol

[@cotillion]

nothin in hold, ship was worth it for them I guess

[@strange_Net]

@@cotillion damn things are really expensive now to

[@DouglasBryant-d2f]

Stealing from People because you can, is not an e use to do so. People are not just asking to be stolen from.

[@strange_Net]

Carrying way to much cargo is painting a huge target on your ship and therefore inviting people to gank you.

[@DouglasBryant-d2f]

@@strange_Net With that logic, you could walk in to a store and steal something, because the person on the checkout is in a wheerchair and can not catch you, or better yet go in with 5 people and the kill the person.

[@strange_Net]

Maybe you need to remember that this is a game and people are playing within the rules outlined within that game.

[@KomarBrolan]

Eve is a gankers paradise, the only way to win is to not play. Lots of better games out there that don’t punish builders.

[@notdaz706]

What games?

[@goldeneagle256]

or just move out of high sec to nullsec where you are alot safer from gankers lol. i joined new indiecorp about 2 months ago, and this is an industrialists dream. we got tons of moon ore to mine, the best stations for building stuff and so on. easi to find good wormholes to lower populated high sec systems so we can buy supply needed for production. sell the stuff localy, so gankers in high sec are practicly never gonna be an issue, as long as you can stay away from jita. and if you really need to go there, there is steps as mention you can take, that make you really close to 100% safe. besides if you makes alot of isk from what you doing, then it dosent really matter too much if you should loose a ship here and there. 2 months ive been in this new corp, ive probably increased my total net worth from 13 to 45 bill. so even if im quite new to game, isk making are just too easi and the more isk you make, the easier it gonna be to make even more

[@alen7492]

Without the thrill of the possibility of failure, there is no real feeling of success. Peace!

[@maxlegio5884]

Kind of unpleasant to start a hauling tutorial video by saying that people getting ganked are because "of their own stupidity"

[@strange_Net]

Sometimes people need to hear the truth even if it is unpleasant

[@BasedEgFriedRice]

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[@SalvaGer-bs4zw]

The problem is ganking is done by some ...devs. Yes, undercover devs, hand in hand with other gankers. After all, devs have your screen, they know where you are, what's your fit, what you carry. Why do you think every single time someone with ORE modules (for mining) gets ganked?? Devs, devs, devs. Enjoy eve, lol!!

[@Turican76]

CCP need to make highsec 100% save.

[@Winkkin]

If your advice is make yourself unattractive, why aren't you using an Occator. The Fleet Hanger cant be scanned, so no one ever knows whats in there. No one would bother attacking one in high sec.

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

I've been told by gankers they instantly decide to attack stuff like that. Also peeps using autopilot.

[@lamebritishman1]

Belt ratting does not exist anymore.

[@strange_Net]

How so?

[@lamebritishman1]

@@strange_Net Belts are gone and the rats live on gates now. It's incredibly dumb.

[@dag_of_the_west5416]

@@lamebritishman1 that's not entirely true, for the skilling spree I often just belt rat in something fast like a Condor or Kestrel.

[@slimtee]

nice info, but can we have showcases from this theory talk