Eve Online - The Perspective of a Ganknado Gate Camping (Tornado Ganker)

[@jarnett4941]

The only way to avoid being ganked like this is to understand the strategy. Plus piracy is a part of our game. Please continue. I'm sure there are more subtle details in the strategy that will benefit us.

[@eventon9372]

there definitely is and this is how I was hoping people would react to this! I know the basics and fits but depending on feedback and how well this video does, I am more than happy to post more about this kind of content.

[@strawberry-parfait3922]

The issue is not that piracy is in the game but that the npc security systems favor them by being easy to exploit while also protecting them from counterplay by other players. The only way to save a gank target as a third party player is to commit a crime yourself by ganking the ganker. Also the security standing loss is way too small considering how easy it is to get it up again, specially considering how cheap catalysts are as gank ships. What this game needs is active gameplay mechanics that encourage players to counterplay gankers before the gank happens. For example make something like a State Police NPC Corp that you can only join if you have a security standing of 5.0 and that comes with special Skins and Equipment that you can only use while in this NPC Corp or while your Corp is declared as such like in Faction Warfare. Equipment could be stuff like a Protection Field/Bubble that lets you take part of the damage a non suspect ship is taking within its range for battleships, a cruiser module that can be used to mark up to x targets with a debuff that lowers the damage they do to other players based on their security rating compared to the targets and so on. Concord is not enough.

[@plumsmuglers]

@@strawberry-parfait3922 It is a close enough representation of reality, where police prevent nothing, and prevent others from preventing anything. What they do is provide consequesnces to any criminal they can get a hold of. And in Eve that is exactly what they do.

[@whoawhoawhatsthis]

Yeah, feels like there's no balance in the game. Too easy to cause destruction on the 'innocent' - not enough protection. Too difficult to bring down retribution.

[@michaelkane6797]

I'm one of those anti-gank people, but honestly there is a separation in my mind between piracy and ganking. To my way of thinking, what you're doing here is piracy, and when it's done well it's a thing of beauty. I have zero interest in doing it myself, but I get it. Ganking to me is douchebags killing newbies with throwaway T1 destroyers. This video was actually very helpful to me, as I've never had issues past Kusomonmon, which is where my scout usually turns around and heads elsewhere. I also use a DST, and I tend to stop using the cloak/warp trick in the same system. Seeing you in Perimeter has made me change my thinking on that. Thanks!

[@johanvanzyl2386]

Even as an Industrialist and Hauler its interesting to see the perspective of the Ganker. Great video, please do more!!!

[@eventon9372]

That's the plan. I got a lot of great feedback on this video and will likely do more

[@eventon9372]

I know this video could rub some people the wrong way but figured I would post it anyway. I hope you all learn something and if you want me to post more ganknado videos for educational purposes or just to see me fail and die to CONCORD let me know below!

[@mikehajdu6154]

Know thy enemy. Thank you for this video. It'll help people NOT get ganked.

[@themacker894]

It's good to see the cost from your perspective.

[@eventon9372]

yup! Keep it under 300m and you should be relatively safe. For much smaller ships, other gankers use thrashers that can 1 shot shuttles, corvettes, and certain frigates. You'd be surprised that some people will move 250m in a corvette.

[@gregtyler4002]

It's crazy Eve is as old as it is and finding videos from this perspective are so rare to find.

[@Csubakka1]

As a miner / industrial person, i really used to hate gankers, then i realized, if i get ganked, its totally my fault. Since then i bought a viator and use couriers when possible. Gate camps are part of the game, and i respect it totally. Even so after losing a bill to them :D

[@kliderskope3662]

This has taught me what gate ganking is all about. The things I take away from this: They must be very patient, They must be very bored.

[@eventon9372]

Haha very much. But if you can get good at ganking the jita undock, there is much more action and ISK to be had. But that comes with a lot of its own challenges

[@rooftoparugula5679]

The best way to avoid ganks from perimeter-jita is a cheap courier contract for 1 jump with high collateral.

[@eventon9372]

yup! I used to accept those contracts all the time when I hauled

[@rustammanan625]

Nice video on the topic. Basically i know how it is done but first time seeing someone actually posted it on youtube. Kudos

[@eventon9372]

yup! so far nothing but positive feedback so I'll probably make more videos on this in the future

[@Jesse_Dawg]

There are very few videos on this topic for EVE. Please make more of them. Very interesting topic

[@eventon9372]

Yup, lots of positive feedback on this video so far and will for sure make more!

[@refineme]

Ganking adds more gaming content. If I ever need to move expensive stuff in and out of Jita I always use a Crane fitted for 3 sec align, insta covert cloak leaving gate and warp to 0, fitted with warp stablizers. Helps survive camps and trig camps.

[@kalytv6440]

i tend to do that in non trade hub system and 0.5 system , there is less chance to be countered, and, i must say, some people have shitty fit and it makes way more profitable. you will wait more (or not, depending on your luck) but when you target something good its 99% chance of getting the loot without any trouble

[@eventon9372]

Yup I've done the same myself but to save myself dozens of hours of recording and waiting I wanted to do it at a busy gate lol

[@Jeansy1290]

i appreciate all aspects of the game, even piracy and ganking. keep it up. Everyone has a role to play and that is what makes this game interesting.

[@eventon9372]

I definitely agree! My thing is informing the player of all aspects of EVE, knowledge is key as the predator or prey.

[@forthehomies7043]

I love the idea of ganking. I’m new to EVE and having such an immense video game background from dev to consumer - I personally think EVE would be incredibly boring without ganking. It creates a mature atmosphere for the game, and forces the element of strategy everywhere you go. Being able to be attacked in a “safe” high-sec system really differentiates EVE from other MMOs, for example RuneScape which has separate worlds for PvP.

[@mattn1209]

It's weird to say and think this way but, I'm actually Pro-Ganking and I'm not even a ganker. Think about it. Every time a suicide gank happens at a minimum 2 ships plus modules are lost. What do you need to replace those? Industrialists. and who fuels those manufacturing plants? Miners. Everybody wins. It sucks when it happens to you or me but, it's for the greater good for the economic ecosystem in High-Sec.

[@eventon9372]

As much as people hate it. Ganking does make the eve universe go round lol

[@mattn1209]

@@eventon9372 exactly! I mean whenever I fly my orca I don't think "Man, I hope someone ganks me today!" but at the same time there are easy steps to avoid being a target and if you do become a target there's not a whole lot you can do. There's things that will give you a small chance of survival versus none but, the bigger thing is avoiding being a target in the first place.

[@saschaschmitt592]

@@eventon9372 to be honest... without peoples like u... this game would be hella boring. A good dish needs proper salt. Thanks for beeing the spice.

[@bricktop2090]

Wow” I haven’t played eve since 2014, Started in 2010, Now my pilot is sitting in Enderailen -10 lol, I’m sorry to say” I was a Ganker” and brutalised many 😳

[@darrynrenton5693]

Ganking is a revenue stream. For the big fleets, that's the only reason they do it. The trolling that follows it, simply fuels the propaganda. Goonswarm uses it as a marketing tool, keeping their name constantly live in new players' minds. Those new players then sometimes abandon high sec for null sec which is what the null sec guys want ultimately. Ganking miners/orca in high sec is also how some entities believe they can/are controlling the ore coming onto the market. Null sec powers care very little about those players who choose to call high sec home. Obviously its also become a tradition at this point, and if you can get big value kills on the board for very little loss to your bottom line, why wouldn't a group add it to their portfolio of activities.?

[@eventon9372]

I can see this, when my Orca got ganked I was really debating joining Goonswarm at the time. Its the classic 'if you cant beat them, join them' and I know Null is WAY more profitable than Hi Sec. At least for me, my alt is in a hi sec corp that has a branch for ganking. They accept everyone that wants to learn for the most part and gank mostly for fun than actual profit.

[@nomnomNACHO]

Gankers stimulate the economy. I lost a worm in hi-sec because I went to do abyssal runs in a quiet but 0.5 system… went to the wrong neighbourhood and paid the price. The ship wasnt really expensive but I had to go and by a new one :/ There are soo many things I could have done to prevent loosing my ship ( just put AB on and burn away) go to a different system… so on… I panicked when I saw 7 catalyst on grid next to me. I had a good laugh when the ganker sent me a thank you mail for the donation they received from my wrecks. Learnt a lot from this situation and now I am more aware of things.

[@ajstarths3811]

Uedama system in Caldari space is like the Grandline in One Piece. Just lawless death and chaotic.

[@KarnageKollectibles]

Extremely informational shit right here. Good stuff.

[@iamaloneinammorpg]

Interesting video, i only got ganked on my alt by triglavians wich killed and empty houler, i move my loot in other ships than houlers, bu now im doing PI, and im forced to use Epithal, do you have a very good fit?

[@eventon9372]

For an Epithal? Well it depends on the size of your cargo. My rule of thumb is just use enough cargo expanders for the haul and tank the rest of the slots. As long as you are under 200m or so you shouldn't get bothered by tornados. As for the Trigs, you need to a 2 second align or cloak trick to survive them off the gate.

[@Vermoulian]

I'm usually not a serious target for gankers because I don't haul the kinds of cargo that are worth the cost. But recently I was ganked when I took a courier contract in an Iteron Mk. V with a good payout and collateral of 150M, but when I put the package in my cargo hold it had over 2 billion in goods. I cannot figure out what was up with that. It couldn't have been a case of somebody planning to gank me for the collateral, because the goods were worth way more and a lot of them were destroyed. But why would anyone do that? And why was a gang of Tornadoes camping a gate off the beaten path? I had already accepted the contract and I knew I'd probably get nailed but it was not between two hubs so I figured maybe I'd get lucky. Alas, no.

[@eventon9372]

yea, always check whats inside the cargo. I have video about gank/scam contracts and how to spot them. But in that case, you are well within reason to fail the contract on purpose when the collateral was 150m but the cargo was 2b. Just fail it and keep the profit, especially if you feel it was a gank contract. Thats one of the perks of being a hauler. Sucks you lost your ship but luckily it wasnt a super expensive lesson. fly safe! o7

[@WestinsChannel]

Incredibly frustrating. Was hauling in highsec, was on a gate and used the "dock" option on a station. went thru warp just fine, landed at the station "Docking permission requested" BOOM. insta locked, insta killed by a tornado. This is ridiculous. this kind of thing isn't a matter of "being outplayed"... if the server randomly decides to take longer to let you dock... and leaves you hanging out infront of a suicidal d-bag. Piracy is one thing, when the game just doesn't work like it should... thats something else...

[@kevingallineauii9353]

The RP-ing HSM persona in me hates the ganker. The RL PvP thriving gamer in me embraces and even LOVES the ganker. The love a ganker might show me by choosing to interact with ME is great! When I see players embracing the ganking lifestyle I rejoice for this reason. It reminds me of the permaband song 'Killing is Just a Means of Communication' kzbin.info/www/bejne/gITbf4prmamMe7s I also like gankers as they are dirty, KB whoring scrubs that all need to die! They are the disease and I AM the cure! DIE GANKERS, DI...........oh sorry, I forgot what I was saying, did I black out? Anyway, never apologize for whatever playstyle you embrace in Eve, only apologize for playing any other game but Eve Online (Minecraft is cool too).

[@eventon9372]

thanks for the comment! I was surprised by the lack of content on ganking so I figured I would post it. It seems like a its more 'taboo' and frowned up than being hated for it. Especially since I am frequently in Mining and Haulers chat which are frequent victims of ganking. But not matter what the content, there is always predators and prey.

[@pvdns77]

Nice Video. I wouldnt gank with 2 chars anymore cause it's too much pressure. But even with 3 chars you need a lot of patience or luck.

[@vertigoalopolus]

"This isnt me just preying on innocent haulers" - Literally what you are doing.

[@snugg1escat676]

Yes thank you. I want to know how ganking is done. So that I can understand and counter

[@warpeace8891]

I cannot agree with your assessments but I enjoyed your video and appreciate your good efforts, thank you. It is far more fun to be the rabbit than the fox. The fox risks very little while the rabbit risks everything. For the rabbit, every encounter survival is a victory without a reward or a stat to gloat over except the rabbit knows that they are still alive and the fox goes hungry again. In my experience, gankers are lazy and low skilled juveniles. That is why they are gankers. They have little or no conception of other people and are focused on the next lick of the lollypop. You even demonstrate your own lack of patience and frustrations. A few hours and you are frustrated!!! Then you claim that you have patience!!! A seriously good example of a lack of patience in a game very much skewed towards the bullies and unethical. Many gankers are following someone else's orders and deserve the respect that all lemmings deserve. There are a few rare exceptions that demonstrate a creative and longer term dedication to being a D#@%. These are few are far between but they are obvious and add rich content.

[@naglesfilms]

Shush dork

[@aes429]

For those who want to avoid getting ganked, use a high-speed ship

[@fellpower]

Where are all that clicking tools, that gankers use?

[@JourneyLife]

Being ganked sucks but I like the video.

[@scottmghill]

This presentation gives the false impression that the gankers are facing a significant risk/reward situation, or that they are selective in picking targets. I've been playing for years - every time I've been ganked, the loot the ganker got wasn't very valuable. Most of the times I've been ganked, it was just griefing. Profitless. Pointless. Infuriating.

[@snugg1escat676]

How much does damage does a ship like that put out?

[@JohnDeaux]

As much as it's annoying to get ganked, it is an important part of the game and it should stay that way

[@johnharrell817]

The reason I make all my ships align time less than 5 seconds most under 4 haha

[@gingerbong]

gankings apart of eve ppl need to grow some balls and safe guard themselfs when they un-dock "hell wen im bord ill go find a mining ship kill it then send the dude nuff to replace the ship " - just cus deep down im a nice guy and i once killed a dude while he was moveing his hole eve life and he quit which didnt feel nice so now i send my victims some isk and if i look them up and think they are new ill send them a msg with a few tips on how to avoid what just happend

[@eventon9372]

pretty much!

[@eventon9372]

@araradrew it definitely difficult for newbros. But imo, the ganker is responsible, but the victim is to blame.

[@gingerbong]

@@eventon9372 aye lack on knolege should not be an excuse also if your afk expect your shit to die

[@shauljonah6955]

What is good idea is to gank those who ganked you in there haulers. Yeah shoot abyssal space stuff they will cry. Lmao. Thanks for sharing we all hate getting ganked best way to show us. It's fun but um dangerous too.fly dangerously o7

[@Spartacus547]

It's always very even odds if this ridiculous behavior is going to continue then they need to bring back player bounty and it should be limited to those that have been killed in buy either it's usually overclass ship battleship versus venture more than two on one group, reason they got rid of it before is that anyone could just randomly assigned a bounty because can you put some restrictions on it it would be fair and useful

[@volodx]

I dont think u can 1shot an blocade runer

[@eventon9372]

zkillboard.com/kill/97638065/ I guess he thought the same too lol

[@jamesp9304]

Just buy a bot that scouts high traffic areas like everyone else does.

[@NeededGR13F]

I gotta start playing this game again, I miss ganking. This was one type of ganking I never gave a serious attempt at tho, I was more into going -10 hunting miners and guys doing PI. Maybe the occasional freighter fleet. That and being a prick to mission runners and suspect baiting them, but idk if you could call that ganking. I used to laugh myself to tears looking at some of those ratting fits on the km.

[@mads12344]

I like to trick a few gankers in to ganking My Over tanked miasmos or My DST then Selling the kill rights. ;).. Ben ganked a Lot myself

[@SunBroSquad]

Ganking is very fine, seriously. If you play a game with build in multiboxing, you should expect anything really. Disgusting CCP, disgusting.

[@dank4014]

"doo doo hauling" gross XD

[@TechnocraticAscendance3870]

There's more to "ganking" than people understand. Security status doesn't mean "Safe", it means "Safer". You're not actually safe anywhere in EVE. Second, shooting a high value target isn't ganking, it's banditry. Shooting a low value target is ganking. Shooting a new player is griefing. I am ok with banditry, I dislike ganking if it's in 0.7 or higher, and griefing is unacceptable to me.