EVERY Honda Civic Type-R NEEDS Wheel Spacers!!

[@brianvargas7163]

Looks great! Thanks for the video. Looking forward to the video showing the change in suspension to see how it looks once lowered.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@brianvargas7163 coming probably early next week! Dialing it in well!

[@brianvargas7163]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed great! I still haven’t purchased an FL5. I’m between the facelift VW Mk8.5 Golf R or the FL5. Such a hard choice to make, ugh lol I’m leaning more towards the FL5 because it’s the type of car that I will turn around and take a look at it every time I park. lol

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@brianvargas7163 I haven’t been around the VW much. But I’d assume it’s a bit of a serious car. While the TypeR seems way more fun and exciting to drive. I think the TypeR and GR Corolla are the more fun ways to go

[@francysantos1916]

I just installed H&R spacers and Eibach lowering springs in my TLX Type S. Just amazing!!!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Nice! Great upgrade!

[@amill1563]

Would love to see wide angle mirror replacement. Cross drilled or slotted rotors if you don't get a big brake kit.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJjZf6uklp2pppo Wide angle mirror were the first thing I changed ;) Brakes are pretty powerful stock even

[@JayK-y3u]

As others have said, putting spacers on this platform would have a negative effect on the handling. Because it is FWD, a lot of engineering had to go into the suspension to mitigate the physics of FWD. One of those things is a near zero scrub radius. While putting spacers on improves the stance, it is mitigating the effects of the suspension geometry on this car which is crucial for the performance it delivers

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

No different then people adding a wheel thats 15mm more aggressive in offset. Plenty of track drivers are doing that with wheels. Seems to handle nearly identical to stock but seems a bit flatter in the turns

[@lrod8692]

Or it was engineered this way for fuel efficiency and comfort? We’d have to ask the Honda Engineers on their choice of offset. I’m sure their race cars aren’t running this high an offset.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Very true! Manufactures have a lot they need to do for a car and everything won't be at the best spec for performance, handling and styling. So there are plenty of things to change that will for sure improve the car

[@ShaiyanHossain]

the HRC integra prototype car has deeper offset wheels... the TCR cars and even super taikyu cars have deep offset wheels to fit wider spec for more tire changes in tire are probably going to be more noticeable than worrying about scrub radius on a street car but that's just me

[@importraceramimportraceam1756]

@@BrosFOURRSpeedYes, I have 18x9.5 et40 on my FK8. Stock is 20x8.5 et60 (I think 60?). So quite a large difference there but yet I don’t feel any more (or less) torque steer than I did bone stock which was pretty minimal if I’m being honest

[@gipsyavenger9829]

Looks great. I am so on the fence as I don't want to change the driving dynamics nor do I want to suffer from Spacer vibration. Curious to see what you learn after living with them for a while. Cheers

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

These won’t cause any vibrations. Probably driven 300 miles with them so far and it rides like stock. We have 4k miles on the RS3 with the same size spacers and it’s perfect. When you go with good parts, you won’t have issues

[@gipsyavenger9829]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed - I checked your website but you only offer 20MM-27MM-30MM. I am looking for 20MM FR / 25MM RR . Are you planning on getting anymore in ?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@gipsyavenger9829 I’m assuming you have the FK8 Type-R? Those are the only sized H&R makes for the FK8. The FL5 we have several other sizes. 20/27 would be nearly identical to the 20/25 you’re thinking of

[@gipsyavenger9829]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed - Do you offer a staggered package if I want 20MM front and 25MM rear ? I re-looked at the website under your install of the 15/20 set and the option is there for the FL5 I just don't want to order a full set of 20 and full set of 25. Seems like a waste of $$$

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@gipsyavenger9829 Each set only comes with 2 spacers. So you’d order 1 pack for the front wheels in the desired size. And 1 pack for the rear wheel in the desired size

[@amill1563]

Yeah, that way you don't have to buy bigger wheels and tires and it looks great.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

For real! No need to spend the money on new wheels and tires when these are all brand new

[@jasonlee5627]

Looks awesome! Im planning to get those as well, but why didnt you get 15mm all around?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Sweet! The rear need to poke out more to have the same flush fit as the front. Very happy with this size front and back. brosfourrspeed.com/parts-%26-merchandise/ols/categories/honda-civic-type-r-parts These ship quick too!

[@zpzp96]

Looks awesome! I love Honda but they do have very quiet exhaust and sunken in wheels. Would you do a demonstration of Honda Sensing with adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist on the higway driving? I am kind of thinking getting an FL5 CTR if it can basically semi autonomously drive itself on highway roadtrip driving. Thanks!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah the spacers and my new exhaust all are great! Lane keeping and forward pacing work great! Like any other car they work all the same. Great on the highway

[@ctrfk8740]

Nice car. Did your torque steer change? I'm sure the scrub radius changed. Stock offset 60 with a 0 scrub radius.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I don't think we turn the wheels sharp enough for these to make a change in torque steer. If anything it seemed to be a tad less in the harder turns under acceleration

[@peterbiviano747]

Only thing I’m interested in are you tuning this car or other performance mods

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

A lot of that will be coming! One mod at a time though ;)

[@peterbiviano747]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed proper tune on that civic is around $2000 hopefully no bullshit pigy back tune 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@peterbiviano747 yeah I wouldn’t do one of those. But this car doesn’t really need that much extra power. It’s quick how it is and won’t every be that fast anyways even with tuning

[@toast-1984]

H&R makes quality parts! I had 15mm spacers which makes it +45 offset on all 4. What part of NC are you in? I am local!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Oh nice! Yeah they are great! We film a lot near Charlotte ;)

[@toast-1984]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed I am in CLT - Concord area. Def like to link up!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@toast-1984 oh cool! Maybe we’ll see each other at a show. Concord cars and coffee is pretty sweet!

[@monkeyhagu]

I live in Charlotte and have a DE5! Have new rims coming in today 😁

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Cool!

[@gamertyper6476]

damn I kinda wanna do this - I'm already lowered on swift springs, I wanna see yours after you lower it

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I'll be posting that video probably tomorrow! Definitely a great setup on these cars with springs and spacers! Our H&R orders ship quick too!

[@whitetiger9907]

I like this gen of type R alot than last gen It looks just right for 2.0t car The last gen type R looks like a lambo with a 2.0t

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah same. Really good looking car and a blast to drive!

[@ZWortek]

When is that DE5 ADS module getting installed 😄

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I've heard a lot about that! I guess I'll have to look into it!

[@hasibhofiani9552]

You think you can use size 35 tires with these spacers with no issues? I know 35s make the handling feel 90% as good as 30s but I’d rather go 35 for comfort + stance look with spacers

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

If your tire isn't much wider it should fit fine with this setup. I've seen people do 20mm up front and 25mm in back on stock wheels. So as long as your overall width isn't more then 5mm over stock this setup should work. Definitely no issues with hight for this setup. Our H&R products ship quick too!

[@andrewkomninos6818]

Do you need to redo alignment after installing wheel spacers?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Nope. It won't make any real changes to alignment. Once you do lowering springs or coilers and change your ride height, then you need an alignment.

[@prm5798]

Type R wheel lug torque is 94 FT/LBS

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Gotcha ;)

[@Andre96272]

Do it the right way and get an aggressive offset. Spacers remind me of early 2000’s Chevy people

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

It's no different tho. Spacers are a good affordable alternative. Plus I like the stock wheels and my ties are brand new. So realistically I have about 2-3 years till I need new tires. So why spend $4k right now on that when high quality spacers give me the look I want and the slightly better stability.

[@erezyoal]

The black color make the wheels look smaller maybe in silver or even beter in white with red emblem is going to look TYPE R classic 👍

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

It has a very low profile tires, so they do look a bit small. Lowering the car in the next video an dit dials it in well! I have seen the upgraded TypeR wheels in silver and they do look really good

[@chrisvigo4880]

He has enough money to do whatever he wants. Worst case his car gets messed up and we all learn something. Be free brother 🙏 💯

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

I make a middle class salary, so I defiantly can't do everything. But this is a good mod on a budget for the car

[@lambolim2178]

Isn’t that going to affect the aerodynamic design intended by Honda designer? Tires sticking out might cause turbulence around the car I suppose

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Any aerodynamic effects honestly won't even be noticeable till you go past 150 or so. Even the OEM Superleggera wing on my Gallardo doesn't do a single thing till 150. So 99.99% of buyers will never have any effects of any aero features of this car

[@lrod8692]

Are these spacers currently in stock?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yes they ship very quick! brosfourrspeed.com/parts-%26-merchandise/ols/categories/honda-civic-type-r-parts We have them for FK8 and FL5

[@392Reviews]

Why the different mm spacers? Still watching so perhaps you mention it haha!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

To get the desired flush fit. The rears need to be poked out farther to get to the same level of flushness ;)

[@392Reviews]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed Got it! Appreciate the reply my friend :)

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@392Reviews no problem!

[@firstnamelastname2080]

I don’t have a type R but I have a normal civic with 20mm spacers. It keeps hitting my fenders during small road imbalances

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

15mm might have been better

[@guitarrise4523]

Aren’t wheel spacers bad for your hubs and bearings lol😂. I am scared to put them on my type s

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah when you have a 200k mile beat up car and do 2in wheel spacers off eBay lol New cars like this have plenty of strength in the hubs to handle a high quality hub centric spacer of this size. Won't have an issue. We even had 1.5in spacers on our Tacoma with 35in tires for 5 years. Off roading and towing still never have that an issue. No different then me putting wheels on this car that have a 15mm more aggressive offset.

[@guitarrise4523]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed good to know thanks for the response 🙏

[@kevinbean9380]

The $259, that is only for a set of 2?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Correct. They are sold in packs of 2. We have Black Friday deals tho right now listed on our sites main page!

[@phoenix75888]

This is pretty much just a cosmetic mod. You may think that pushing the wheels further out will give you better performance but you are actually messing with the scrub radius and the LSD will not be within its peak performance zone.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Same thing if I put wheels on the car that had a 15mm more aggressive offset. I see plenty of people who track these cars doing that

[@jellysyrup4542]

So does that apply to the aftermarket wheels that companies like Spoon and others run? It seems like no one has a problem with the LSD unless it is not noticeable enough. I thought Honda took the aftermarket world into consideration when making high performance models. Or maybe I’m wrong and the peak performance is only the factory settings and parts.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

@@jellysyrup4542 yeah I doubt 15mm more aggressive offset would throw any issues. These cars have been out long enough and modified heavily over the years and track driven. I’ve never seen issues with that from a small spacer or wheel offset. Car seems a tad more planted and looks great with these. Now a 30mm spacer up front might be a different story as we exceed OEM limits

[@ZWortek]

The HRC DE5 Integra is running flush wheels and a 15mm drop which is basically the same thing everyone with a FL5 and DE5 does with either wheel spacers or lower offset wheels and lowering springs.

[@lrod8692]

@@ZWortekno no no…. “Scrub radius” those Honda race teams don’t know anything

[@jasonc934]

Are wheel spacers even safe? Personally, I will rather go down in size to 18in and get beefier sidewall tires.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

They are perfectly safe. As long as you get nice ones like these. If you get cheap cast aluminum ones that aren't hub centric, you may run into issues. But these are no different then me swapping to wheels with a slightly more aggressive offset. Even race cars use spacers sometimes.

[@nfspeedy2]

To increase the scrub radius you increase torque steer and aerodynamic drag. The car is also more sensitive to ruts. If you are happy with wheel spacers thats totally fine. To say EVERY Honda Civic Type R NEEDS wheel spacers is a bit dodgy. There are other opinions and preferences in car handling out there!

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Well no matter what other people will have different opinions. This is just mine. But car drives great and with this small of a spacer there won't be negative effects. Exact same thing if I put 15mm more aggressive offset wheels on the car

[@nfspeedy2]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed you have doubled the fasteners with your spacers as if you would offset the wheel with a different rim. That decreases the camber stiffness in the corner. If you are not driving that agressively you will not notice a difference.

[@Indifference2000]

No rubbing either?

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Nope! Perfect fit with no downsides

[@FL5Moe]

Send over a pair bro 😂 🥲

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Check out the link in the description. Got plenty of sizes to pic from ;)

[@Timbuckley01]

🤣 🤣 🤣 15 in the front and 20 in the rear? It’s FWD. 🤣

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

So? This got the wheels flush all around. Rear needed a bit more poke to sit at the same level as the front. Also don't want to go too wide up front being FWD

[@ang9222]

Thats illegal in my country.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Wow thats crazy

[@STEASE]

You were better off keeping the supra at this point.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

So you didn't see my video on why I sold the Supra?

[@hartmutthomas989]

Ja schlimm , wie Manche ihren FL 5 verhunzen . . .. .

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Thanks for checking out the video!

[@marcm7692]

Wrong. They engineered the offset and camber this way for good reason. It wouldn’t be as “sunken in” if you hadn’t put those god awful rally flaps…also, spacers aren’t very good and actually cause issues later on…besides a minimum appearance effect, they do absolutely nothing for cars like this.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

The flaps were there when I bought the car. But I'm looking at the top of the fender and how much farther out it is from the wheel. This is no different then putting wheels on the car that have a 15mm and 20mm more aggressive offset. Perfectly fine to put on and they make the car look better and effectively lower the center of gravity and widen the track. It's not a million times better handling. But just a tad.

[@trntmanson]

@@BrosFOURRSpeed those flaps make a huge difference with keeping the sides car clean, especially if you're going push your tires further outside of the wheel well with the spacers.

[@Bbc418]

It’s for looks mostly, stock doesn’t look good at all

[@lrod8692]

Those flaps prevent rocks from chipping the doors and the side skirts. Flaps or no flaps the wheels will look tucked in. I agree though that it is this way for a reason.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Yeah I had similar ones on my Supra and it made a world of difference keeping the sides and back clean. Glad this had them from the begging

[@speedisf]

It really dont.need.that at all.

[@BrosFOURRSpeed]

Do what works for you ;)