Easiest Grid-Tied Solar On The Market! Plug-N-Play

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NEP Micro-Inverter - pluggedsolar.com/collections/...
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I have been waiting for this micro-inverter for a while as I think it unlocks a DIY onramp to Solar for many homeowners. This type of plug-n-play system isn't right for everyone and won't offset all your power needs but can be a great way to start lowering your monthly power bill with the lowest investment possible.
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@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 Ай бұрын
Note: 110V, 115V, 120V... all the same thing. 220V, 230V, 240V... also the same thing. Just depends on your local utility distribution. In the U.S., voltages have trended upward over the decades because the higher voltages allow considerably more power to be transmitted on the same distribution lines. Basically these 120VAC (roughly) micro-inverters work just like normal 240VAC in that they synchronize to the line waveform that they see on the circuit. But there are a number of issues that people need to keep in mind: (1) 120VAC micro-inverters are generally NOT very efficient. 85%-90% is typical. 240VAC micro-inverters tend to run 95-98% efficient. This also means that 120VAC micro-inverters run a lot hotter than a typical 240VAC Enphase micro-inverter would. (2) You are back-feeding into just one side of the 240VAC split-phase going into your home, so the loading on the utility transformer is not symmetrical. This is typically not an issue as long as you are not back-feeding too much power since of course most normal house loads are unbalanced as well. (3) You are back-feeding into the middle or the end of a branch circuit. This is actually illegal. No, you won't get thrown into jail, but you might end up with a fine if you advertise what you are doing. It is only legal to back-feed into a dedicated breaker, with nothing else on that circuit. In addition the home must be on a solar tariff / backfeeding must be allowed by the utility. (4) Back-feeding into the middle or the end of a branch circuit BYPASSES YOUR BREAKER. This can be dangerous because depending on the topology this allows devices on your branch circuit to pull more amps than the house wiring might be able to support. This is an issue if you are plugged the back-feed into the middle of the branch-circuit. Devices sitting at the end of the branch-circuit can now consume the entire line breaker's amperage PLUS the backfed amperage without tripping the breaker. The result is that the house's in-wall wiring can catch fire. (5) There is the possibility that the micro-inverter will continue feeding devices on the branch circuit even if the breaker trips. This is obviously dangerous. -- So, that's the skinny on these 120VAC micro-inverters and why the only ones you see are junk brands. They aren't really meant for U.S. consumers. They are mostly sold to Chinese, Indian, and consumers of other countries with less robust or more expensive grids. Now if you STILL want to do this, I have some suggestions: * Never run any high-power devices on the circuit you are back-feeding into. * Dedicate the entire circuit to the back-feed.... but if you can't, then: * Back-feed into the END of the branch circuit... the last outlet in the chain, to minimize the chance of an in-wall home-wiring fire. * Note that you are still bypassing your breaker. * Do not back-feed more than roughly 500W (4A) on a 15A circuit. * Maybe consider not doing this at all. -- Typical questions: * Will the utility meter deal with one leg back-feeding and the other leg forward-feeding ? Answer: Smart meters typically handle this correctly if they are already solar-enabled (i.e. you already have home solar and a contract with the utility and the utility expects you to backfeed). Dumb meters typically won't handle this correctly. But you might want to test it because if it doesn't handle it correctly the energy can wind up being billed to you as consumption. * Will the utility company find out? Answer1: If you actually manage to back-feed power all the way to the grid, and you are not already on a solar tariff, and you have a smart-meter, the utility will know immediately and might get unhappy with you. Maybe consider ensuring that the home eats more power on that leg then you are back-feeding so you don't actually back-feed the utility. Answer2: If you are on a solar grid-tie tariff and not a solar + battery tariff, and you back-feed after sundown, the utility will figure it out and might get angry with you. * Just how dangerous is this really? Answer: It's all on you bro! I aint gonna say its safe, but I will say if you do it keep the wattages fairly low. * How many people in the U.S. use these sorts of plug-in micro-inverters ? Answer: Too many. * Are these 120VAC micro-inverters UL compliant. Answer: No. None of them are. Even if they say they are, they aren't. None of them follow the timing rules, none of them have insulation testing, none of them detect out-spec grid conditions. Most of them WILL disconnect if the grid goes down but not always... if your loads match the output they might not disconnect because most of these micro-inverters just use voltage sensing... if they are able to push the waveform too high they know they aren't connected to the grid and will stop. -Matt
@jasonbroom7147
@jasonbroom7147 Ай бұрын
Matt - You're obviously very well-versed in this and probably an installer, so I would like to ask you a question about these 120v micro-inverters. Say you built a dedicated, off-grid system, including a service panel with proper breakers, and that's where you brought the power in from a PV array. This would be 120v exclusively, powering only 120v loads, downstream from the panel...no plugging into an outlet. Under those circumstances, what concerns would you have about using these 120v micro-inverters?
@JohnBaker3000
@JohnBaker3000 Ай бұрын
Lots of great info. Thank-you!
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 Ай бұрын
@@jasonbroom7147 In an actual professional install, or even when DIYing a large system, do not use 120V micro-inverters, ever. Simplest answer. I can pretty much guarantee you that 120VAC micro-inverters do not implement any of the standards correctly and building a big system with them will result in a fire, problems, failures, over-volted appliances... don't do it. In a dedicated off-grid system it is best to use DC-coupled (string) solar fed into charge controllers and not micro-inverters. The reason is that it is far, far, far, far easier to build a rock-solid system when you don't have to deal with frequency shifting (UL1741SA). You also want to optimize the DC path when off-grid because the battery storage is incredibly important. If you decide you want to use micro-inverters anyway (aka "AC-coupled" solar) in your off-grid system you still don't use 120V micro-inverters. You use 240V micro-inverters (98%+ efficient) coupled into a hybrid solar inverter that has a split-phase output. That gives you two hot legs and a neutral that you can put into a standard AC breaker box and pull out 120VAC and 240VAC circuits as needed, just like you get with a utility AC breaker box. -Matt
@ericelfner
@ericelfner Ай бұрын
I was thinking, this can't be legal. Thanks for the very detailed response . 👊
@devorlast
@devorlast Ай бұрын
This kind of setup, with low wattage, could be used to power the branch with the main breaker off though. You could have a breaker facing the PV, so when you want to use it you switch the utility breaker off, switch the PV on and use the PV on that circuit only. You still have to make sure the wiring can handle the amperage but if the utility breaker for the branch is let's say 15a than having a 15a facing the PV would ensure the same level of protection. With a battery added you could use this to power some patio lights in the evening or other small loads. As long as you disconnect the utility before turning on the PV breaker the risk is minimal, mainly limited to the PV setup. Another use could be powering lights in an outdoor shed, this way you don't have to run a cable from your utility box at all and just use the PV plus battery.
@martyt419
@martyt419 2 күн бұрын
It's awesome having a UL certified plug-n-play coming out - Amazon is great but who knows if the vendors selling appliances won't burn your house down. Great review as always.
@gopackgo69
@gopackgo69 Ай бұрын
Great video, i just rewatched your previous video with the amazon set up, and this popped up. I think I'll look into this new version. Keep up the good content.
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Thanks for the support 🙌
@shelley131
@shelley131 Ай бұрын
Have been an admirer of your videos for a long time because you make a rock (me) get it. I had to say it, this time you lost me when you said I did not need to connect this and that. I am visual learner and would have learned from actually you doing the plug and play without all the ofter stuff. Eventually I will get it seeing your video a few hundred times. Keep up the great work.
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Thanks so much for the feedback.
@footprinthero
@footprinthero Ай бұрын
Nice! Was hoping for a follow-up to your previous setup
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Thanks Alex!
@Electronzap
@Electronzap Ай бұрын
good info.
@tjevo4g
@tjevo4g Ай бұрын
Scott, can you make a video about a completely off-grid DIY solar setup that is using an Ecoflow Delta 2 Max to power a mini split? Have a detached shed project in mind that doesn't currently have power, but I'd like to convert it to a WFH office. Edit: Got the inspiration from your recent shed project. Would like to do similar, except expand upon that with more panels and the Delta 2 Max (with extra battery, which I already have).
@ahaveland
@ahaveland Ай бұрын
Saving a dollar or two a day adds up over the years, and you're giving a finger to the utilities and helping to decarbonize which has its own value. And it's also fascinating!
@goodcitizen4587
@goodcitizen4587 Ай бұрын
Decarbonize is lefty scam.
@joneberle4952
@joneberle4952 21 күн бұрын
Love your videos, and the “testing” platforms. Have contemplated purchasing one of these units for testing myself. It is a bit pricy for the -LV model. Wondering if you could use to 220v non-LV model as a lower price and only use 1 leg of the 220 and get the same result. Could you just put a wire nut on the other leg? No electrician here. Also seen some Amazon “pigtail” products that split the 220 into 2 -120v outlets. Of course these are all experiments. Some commenters fail to realize this. Keep up the good work. I watch almost every video you create. Please experiment more. Looking forward to the multi micro-inverter one. Take care.
@zodiacfml
@zodiacfml Ай бұрын
I've seen plug n play solar on Amazan maybe since 2017. But the more I think about it, one would eventually need/install more-proper solar installation is must. There is still niche for this like condo-apartment with a nice balcony that faces the sun.
@gizmobowen
@gizmobowen Ай бұрын
Fun video. Thanks for making it. I've got a couple used 300W panels sitting in my shop and was looking for something like this. My difficulty is my power rate is only about 8 cents per kWh, so the ROI on this is just too far out to make back the cost of the inverter. Would have been fun to play with, but not something I have to have. Thanks again for showing off this inverter.
@SvenZwaaneveld
@SvenZwaaneveld Ай бұрын
Wow thats awesome! In the netherlands we pay 30/40 euro cents per kwh
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Yeah, I am in the same position so without Renewable Energy Credits (which we have in our state) and Net Metering it is hard to make the math work from an investment perspective at $0.08/kWh.
@joelm077
@joelm077 Ай бұрын
@@everydaysolar I have net meter and I get about $65 a year on this set up? Is that math right at .09 per kWh? makes it a 6.5 year payoff as I do not have Energy Credits.
@CaptainBlood1935
@CaptainBlood1935 Ай бұрын
I'm new to solar and a little intimidated. Could I use these grid tied plug in micro inverter to feed power to my house from batteries with a timer to only feed during peak charge times? And then use a battery charger on a timer to only charge the battery from the grid on the cheapest over night rates?
@akasha1337
@akasha1337 Ай бұрын
Can you plug straight to the grid no other equipment needed?
@willwade1101
@willwade1101 Ай бұрын
How well would a system like this work with an automatic transfer switch and how could I step it up to 24 volts?
@depazz
@depazz 13 күн бұрын
does this setup interfere with anti-islanding requirements?
@seyi8206
@seyi8206 20 күн бұрын
Would this work in LADWP territory? Would one need to file for interconnection under NEM and get LADWP permission if the inverter is UL 1741 certified?
@al9929
@al9929 13 күн бұрын
I read all 125 comments upto the date of this comment. Not one mention of the ability to trip the main breaker switch for grid supply to panel. In case of grid down one can manually switch off grid supply before pluggong in a solar supplied micro inverter into your wall. If taking other saftey measures in place, it may be a good back up for brown outs. The caveat is one has to have neighbors on grid to see when grid goes live again so you can reverse the breaker switches.
@BlenderRookie
@BlenderRookie Ай бұрын
That tiny setup would produce in a month 10% of the electric we consume. When it's comfortable and we don't use the AC, we use about 550 KWh a month. When it's hot and the AC is used, it sometimes will go up to 650-660 KWh. It would be nice to have but it wouldn't pay for itself easily. it cost $0.098 per KW here. Not even a dime. 60 KW of production during the summer per month or about $6. About 10 years the cost might be covered.
@frostyfroze7352
@frostyfroze7352 Ай бұрын
I’m assuming you have a bidirectional utility grid meter, as far as I understand the average house utility meter will accumulate kilowatts, not able to distinguish direction and you get charged for electricity going back to the grid as well, you have any thoughts on this?
@wholev1251
@wholev1251 Ай бұрын
His main system on the roof and how that is wired implies that. Wish he would have said that in the beginning of the video. Like this is not a way to get started, you NEED to have the right meter to get money back.
@JohnBaker3000
@JohnBaker3000 Ай бұрын
Does the NEP unit have rapid shutdown when the grid goes down? Ul 3741
@JohnBaker3000
@JohnBaker3000 Ай бұрын
According to the spec sheet, it has rapid shutdown. That would be nice to test to verify.
@rippinstock
@rippinstock Ай бұрын
I’d be interested in something like this to charge some batteries that would power some exterior lights.
@joeyhazlett
@joeyhazlett Ай бұрын
This method would be excessive for charging batteries. There are less expensive solutions that will more efficiently charge the batteries directly from the solar output. A Victron 75/10 or 75/15 charge controller is all you really need to charge up a 12v battery that can be used for some low voltage exterior lights.
@StefanLasiewski
@StefanLasiewski 22 күн бұрын
Plug & play balcony solar kits are available in Europe, including products that can provide battery storage to offset high rates during peak hours, which increased in popularity during the European 2021/2022 energy cris. One such example would be the EcoFlow PowerStream which is not available in the US. These systems are considered relatively safe in the EU due to how the EU system works, but I don't understand the details. In the US, the standard wisdom is that a grid-tie system should NOT be plugged into a wall outlet due to safety concerns with the US how the US electrical systems work with scary talk about backfeeding & suicide cords, and thus concepts like plug & play and balcony solar kits have been frowned upon for a while. This is the first plug & play balcony system that I've seen for the US market that is UL certified. The NEP BDM-300 micro inverter has UL 1741 certification & provides NEC 2020 690.12 Rapid Shutdown for safety (Great!) & a number of other certifications. I suppose this is also safe because the output is limited -- the BDM-800 is max 800W, where a rooftop solar system will can easily be 5-20X that amount.
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar 22 күн бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, I will be interested to see where these type of systems develop in the US market. I think there is a demand 👍
@cenval999
@cenval999 Ай бұрын
I have a 50amp plug in my garage that I don’t use cause the I don’t charge a EV I got a 50amp/120v adapter in case I ever wanted to use power from that outlet Would it be safe to plug my solar into that plug? I have net metering through my utility in my area that gives credits still thankfully, at least for now.
@joeyhazlett
@joeyhazlett Ай бұрын
I'd be very careful with that, but in theory it's possible, since that will be 240v at the outlet, and is more than likely the only outlet on that entire branch. 50A is a big breaker to trip though, so the wiring better be up to snuff. If you're not going to use all 50A, which is most likely the case, I'd recommend swapping out the beaker for a lower amperage one to something closer to your expected maximum output.
@heroesandzeros7802
@heroesandzeros7802 Ай бұрын
I tried 2 different wattages of grid-tie inverters, a 1kW and a 1.2kW. Ever since I tried them, my electric bill went through the roof. The bill was $490xx last month. Neither grid-tie has been used for the last 3 months. Any ideas why? I only got about 4-5A out of the inverters. My refrigerator, freezer, pool pump, garage, shop, and carport are all on off-grid solar. The only things left are the 240V stuff: clothes dryer, stove, central AC, and some 120vac kitchen stuff. There is no reason for the utility bill to be that high and never was before.
@rynieryarom4277
@rynieryarom4277 Ай бұрын
Is your electric meter the old type? Old types of electric meter can't differentiate power going in or out. So all power generated is calculated coming from the grid.
@whenmullet2674
@whenmullet2674 Ай бұрын
I have a Pecron E 2000 LFP, can I just make a double male extension cord and plug into a 20 amp house outlet from one of the 20 amp AC outlets on the generator?
@joeyhazlett
@joeyhazlett Ай бұрын
You should definitely NOT do that, as the generator is not designed to synchronize with the grid power, and will probably fry itself, and anyone potentially trying to do maintenance on the lines.
@whenmullet2674
@whenmullet2674 Ай бұрын
@@joeyhazlett Thanks, that's what I figured, but thot I'd ask.
@johnzach2057
@johnzach2057 Ай бұрын
Germany is full of these types of systems capped at ~800watt. They are using the grid as battery.
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Yeah, Europe has a whole “balcony solar” industry. I like the systems like the EcoFlow Power Stream. Pretty cool 👍
@Scott-sm9nm
@Scott-sm9nm 26 күн бұрын
I think a valuable missing safety nugget is that systems like this are supposed to automatically shut off if your grid power (input) goes down so you do not backfeed (output) from your solar panels back into the grid. Right?
@garyhiland6013
@garyhiland6013 24 күн бұрын
Also that the ac plug does not induce suicide.
@DaHaiZhu
@DaHaiZhu Ай бұрын
How did you plug it into your garage outlet without it interfering with your home power?
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 Ай бұрын
It's a microinverter so it synchronizes to the AC line waveform it sees at the outlet. There are numerous issues though, so I'll make a top-level post outlining them.
@joeyhazlett
@joeyhazlett Ай бұрын
Grid-tied inverters like this are designed to synchronize with the grid power they are connected to, and output in the same frequency and voltage as that grid power.
@NathanJones-yk8vf
@NathanJones-yk8vf Ай бұрын
Does this unit output power when it is not plugged into the grid or the power is down?
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Nope, only when power is detected at the plug.
@disneymike3311
@disneymike3311 Ай бұрын
What are you feeding with the 120v?
@richardnwilson
@richardnwilson Ай бұрын
He is back feeding his entrance panel through a dedicated breaker for that outlet and the power will flow to any other circuit in the house that is using power. The solar power is just displacing some of the power that the house is using from the grid.
@gavinator354
@gavinator354 Ай бұрын
im assuming this is only beneficial during any energy use during the day as you dont have it connected to a battery storage system, right?
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Yep, and without Net Metering you would be only getting the benefit if you are offsetting consumption for other circuits and appliances.
@gavinator354
@gavinator354 Ай бұрын
@@everydaysolar oh? and WITH net metering, what changes then?
@davidthom1101
@davidthom1101 Ай бұрын
Does the system shutdown if the grid shuts down? Will the plug be live when unplugged or it needs 110 com in my into the inverter?
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
The UL1741 certification is associated with the feature of the micro-inverter only providing power if power is detected at the plug/circuit.
@davidthom1101
@davidthom1101 Ай бұрын
@@everydaysolar the link for the inverter seems to be correct but the website does not list a model number
@rustyoffgrid
@rustyoffgrid Ай бұрын
Can you parralel 2 panels and plug into inverter?
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Yep! I was considering something similar which would then mean on sunny days you would be clipping as the micro-inverter would throttle the current. The big benefit if you have cheap used panels is you would be getting substantially more on cloudy and less than perfectly sunny days with a lower investment.
@MtnXfreeride
@MtnXfreeride Ай бұрын
Maybe I missed it, but a system like this risky because it allows backfeeding and doesnt have a system to shut off if power is disconnected? I thought nearly all utility companies ban this stuff
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
UL 1741 is the certification that ensures the micro inverter only provides power when power is detected at the outlet/grid.
@f1rstprinciple
@f1rstprinciple Ай бұрын
Can you prevent sending power to the grid? If you send power to the grid then you will likely need city permit.
@joeyhazlett
@joeyhazlett Ай бұрын
He already has an Enphase grid-tied system that will send power to the grid, or since he mentioned that it has sensors on the main legs, it will compensate for these devices and output less from the Enphase-controlled system. If you do not have an existing system, and do not have a net metering agreement with your utility, you should not attempt to do this without understanding how exporting power works with your provider. You could definitely get charged for giving them free electricity.
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 Ай бұрын
No, the micro-inverter has no way of knowing. If the house uses more power on that leg than the micro-inverter is back-feeding, it won't back-feed to the grid. If the house is using less, it will (at least, it will back-feed past the utility meter). A full off-grid setup is possible but generally pretty expensive. One needs an off-grid inverter that understands AC-coupled micro-inverters to provide the "utility" waveform for the micro-inverters, with batteries to soak up the back-fed power, and both the off-grid inverter and the micro-inverters must understand the UL1741SA frequency-shifting protocol.
@ronbridegroom8428
@ronbridegroom8428 Ай бұрын
@@joeyhazlett He needs to make that clear in the video. I have seen videos from this guy and he does not seem to completely understand what he is making a video about. A good example was his previous video about this
@SKYNETTECH06
@SKYNETTECH06 Ай бұрын
Right when you mentioned the extorsinist HOA you are screwed up
@qctester2360
@qctester2360 Ай бұрын
Is it legal to connect powergenerating device to grid?
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Most utilities have several requirements which can change a bit depending on who you have but the most common is the device has to be UL 1741 certified.
@Scott-sm9nm
@Scott-sm9nm 26 күн бұрын
Here is an all in one inverter to 120v plug-n-play one that my son just picked up (maybe review it?!?) Y&H 600W Solar Grid Tie Micro Inverter with AC Data Monitoring Display Screen Waterproof IP65 MPPT DC28-50V PV Input AC80-160V Output for 24V 36V Solar Panel $125.99 Size: 600W-110V-LCD (Amazon info)
@whatevah
@whatevah Ай бұрын
At only 500W output (paused and zoomed in on the specs) that'll take a long time to recoup the investment.
@joeyhazlett
@joeyhazlett Ай бұрын
Especially when paying $500 for a "kit" that includes a $200 inverter and $40 extension cord + monitoring tool.
@steveadal4735
@steveadal4735 Ай бұрын
Lets keep it simple electrons always take the shortest route just plug this into your closest high drain appliance and YOUR POWER WILL GO TO THE APPLIANCE simples❤❤❤❤
@thespencerowen
@thespencerowen Ай бұрын
I don’t understand. Are you back feeding the power INTO your garage? Isn’t that super dangerous?
@joeyhazlett
@joeyhazlett Ай бұрын
It's no more dangerous that the Enphase inverters on the roof of his house, since it works in exactly the same way, and has the same pertinent UL ratings. You can't do this with a regular inverter, but a grid-tied inverter is smart enough to know how to interact with the grid and only function when it's safe to do so.
@g-whiz286
@g-whiz286 Ай бұрын
You never said WHY you can't get net metering. Am I to assume that your Enphase system is set up for net zero operation (meaning it will throttle back output if the solar system is producing more than you are using locally).
@gregben
@gregben Ай бұрын
Not a good idea to use a pencil as a pointer near live electric circuits because pencil "lead" is graphite (carbon) which is conductive. Better to use a plastic or fiberglass rod.
@jfwench
@jfwench Ай бұрын
Dont do this!! Your local inspector and utility company will shit a brick if they catch you. There are code violations so it wouldn't pass inspection, and your utility company requires inspection and an interconnect agreement to connect to the grid.
@propellerhead2000
@propellerhead2000 Ай бұрын
Be careful with that graphite pencil!
@johnschneider931
@johnschneider931 Ай бұрын
This would be great to plug into a mango power battery system. The conversion loses are outwayed by how far from your garage you can put it. Plugging it in to the outlet is dangerous because during a power outage, it could zap a line worker. And expensive because the power company could sue you for $20k if no one is hurt. If you have a generator switch installed by electrion go ham. Just make sure you are off grid mode.
@ahaveland
@ahaveland Ай бұрын
Pretty sure the microinverters shut themselves down if they don't detect the grid, as with most (if not all) grid-tie systems.
@WhskAZCL
@WhskAZCL Ай бұрын
This is one of the videos I was waiting for. Main reason, you already have an enphase system installed. I was hesitant to do something similar since I didn't know if adding a 110v grid tie would conflict with the 220v enphase production. Also, I would love to see if you can connect a battery directly to the grid tie inverter, that way we can offset some of the energy consumption during the peak hours that are usually when the sun is down.
@joeyhazlett
@joeyhazlett Ай бұрын
No, it won't affect or interfere with the 220v system, but you will be adding power to only one leg of your 220v power if you have a single microinverter like this plugged in. At
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 Ай бұрын
In terms of connecting a battery, it depends on the grid-tie inverter. * Always connect the battery side with an inline fuse or breaker because the inverter is expecting a solar input and will try to sweep the input, and some inverters can just about short the "solar" input while doing that. Those obviously won't work with batteries. * Make sure that the grid-tie inverter does not output beyond its rating while connected to the battery. In fact, make sure it doesn't go above roughly 75% of its rating if you want the thing to last. * Generally speaking connecting a lower-voltage to the micro-inverter causes it to output less wattage. So in terms of battery voltages, typically a 24V (25.6V LiFePO4) battery system voltage is close to ideal. 12V might be too little (not even turn the micro-inverter on), and 48V might be too much (cause the micro-inverter to output too much power and over-heat). * Do not let the micro-inverter drain the battery all the way down to BMS disconnect if you can help it. It isn't good for the battery or the BMS to do that daily. Generally speaking a solid-state DC-capable relay with a voltage sense on the battery side is used to disconnect the micro-inverter earlier, or a cheap timer on the AC side can be used to only run it for a set period of time. Do not use a cheap AC relay to switch DC on the battery side. I wouldn't even use a DC relay. I'd use a solid-state relay with a big heat sink. Most people just hook up a cheap timer on the AC side's plug since that is fairly easy to do and tends to be safer. But make sure the wattage is less than 50% what the timer is rated for. -Matt
@WhskAZCL
@WhskAZCL Ай бұрын
@@joeyhazlett thanks for your time and explanation 👍🏻
@WhskAZCL
@WhskAZCL Ай бұрын
@@junkerzn7312 thanks to you too Matt. I do appreciate you guys took your time to explain some caveats of the setup I presented
@user-dr2pg8fk2i
@user-dr2pg8fk2i Ай бұрын
Count the code violations boys
@bhbaker220
@bhbaker220 Ай бұрын
Used panels are not eligible for the tax credit.
@David_J_Steeves
@David_J_Steeves Ай бұрын
when you feed the power into an outlet on your home you are on the wrong side of the fuse so to speak, no? defeating safety. you did say something about using an single circuit so I guess your fine if not going over 15 amps.. Good vid
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Yeah, you would want a dedicated circuit to avoid issues 👍
@Flash1857
@Flash1857 Ай бұрын
So I could use this no battery system as a 120v ac power point, and also take 12v out with a dc-dc converter…. mmmmm cool
@tomhamilton9140
@tomhamilton9140 Ай бұрын
Do not use it in San Antonio area. You will receive notice from CPS that will make the effort worthless.
@affordabledcgenerators1607
@affordabledcgenerators1607 Ай бұрын
Dude seriously? So you made this system but are using it on a house that already has solar with a net meter? If you want to make a system great, let's not connect it to your house, violate a shit ton of codes, not get authorization from the utility, and think it's fine without a bi-directional meter. Lots of bad info here. If you want a system like this feed it into an all in one battery/inverter. Then use a generator panel to power loads. For fuck sake don't plug it into a 120v outlet.
@martysomoco
@martysomoco Ай бұрын
Just "plug it in"...Not quite. NEC!
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
Which part of the NEC are you calling out for this specific setup?
@colinandyas8781
@colinandyas8781 Ай бұрын
This is so illegal it's scary.
@user-pg2bj7rv1t
@user-pg2bj7rv1t Ай бұрын
If you don't have a way to shunt the power to a standby Battery Bank, you are wasting a TON of money! Because, if all you have is a Grid Tied setup, when the Power goes out, your Solar Panels are worthless. I went with a SEPARATE setup. When OUR Local Utility hiccups, I can annually with to a Battery backup system, INDEPENDENT from the Grid. Your Technical explanations ARE correct, however, I personally do NOT like Grid-Tied only systems with no Battery backup!
@solarcharging9743
@solarcharging9743 Ай бұрын
This NEP inverter is illegal for plugging into an outlet. It is not UL approved for grid intertie use and if your utility learns of your installation, you going to get sued by the utility.
@esteemedenergy
@esteemedenergy Ай бұрын
Ummm, no, he will not. Get real.
@christrent8580
@christrent8580 26 күн бұрын
People who have done this and overproduced have not gotten sued. Some said they got a call or letter letting them know they needed modify their system so it would not feed the grid. Or they had sign up for net metering and had an inspection to keep using it.
@dennisdickinson8337
@dennisdickinson8337 Ай бұрын
Right there at the main check amps multiplied by volts you're only putting in less than 20% of the watch you think you are thus kind of stealing from the power company
@tjmooney4181
@tjmooney4181 Ай бұрын
This would get you jail time if used in cali 🤔
@lexicase8805
@lexicase8805 Ай бұрын
And in Australia too. Backfeeding a power outlet is a big no no.
@deyumei7965
@deyumei7965 Ай бұрын
Well, I "tested" my solar system before I got my PTO from SCE, they didn't say anything, The only thing is that I didn't get the credit for the electricity that got send back to the grid. Of course there's no GUARANTEE that they won't say anything about this.
@tjmooney4181
@tjmooney4181 Ай бұрын
@deyumei7965 especially if a worker is down the line and expecting power to be off in that section you're feeding 🤔
@joeyhazlett
@joeyhazlett Ай бұрын
@@tjmooney4181 As soon as the power goes off, this inverter will turn off and stop backfeeding. It's designed to be grid-tied, and meets UL certifications, which requires rapid shutdown when the power goes out. Nobody is going to get zapped.
@tjmooney4181
@tjmooney4181 Ай бұрын
@@joeyhazlett good to know 👍
@ronbridegroom8428
@ronbridegroom8428 Ай бұрын
A confusing video. You do not clearly show how this is to be used, You complicated things by showing your roof top system, etc. It is not clear what someone should do with the AC output of the system
@everydaysolar
@everydaysolar Ай бұрын
The AC output just plugs into a circuit in your home. I recommend an exterior GFCI outlet with an "in use" cover on a dedicated circuit where you are only feeding in the solar and not powering anything else on the same circuit.
@travismorgan9273
@travismorgan9273 Ай бұрын
How do you keep it from feeding back to the grid and receiving credit for it?
@WalterRiggs
@WalterRiggs Ай бұрын
What is an “in use” cover?
@whenmullet2674
@whenmullet2674 Ай бұрын
@@WalterRiggs A plastic cover that fully closes and allows a cord to be plugged in at the same time. All newer exterior outlets have them. The older outlets only have a "door" type cover that works with nothing plugged in, but is not sealed when a plug is in so it's not watertight.
@simonyapp
@simonyapp Ай бұрын
I found it clear and helpful
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