EFAP TV: Reacting to The Mandalorian S03E07 - The Spies

[@collingreen9517]

IG 12 is such perfect metaphor for the entire franchise right now. A lobotomized husk of a thing wandering aimlessly piloted by someone with a child’s comprehension of the world it exists in.

[@FringeSpectre]

Kino comment.

[@derekfcc]

Pretty much summed it up completely. This is the way

[@sexycenturion7074]

The writers must have watched teenage mutant ninja turtles and thought in window licker style, "Look Krang in bot we make Grogu have bot control him." or something along those lines.

[@alistairbuckle3450]

Hey, you leave Baby Merchandise alone! Just get your money ready to buy the doll when it inevitably earns a tiny lightsaber and coos, “This is the way.”

[@derekfcc]

@@alistairbuckle3450 oh god, they’re gonna make baby yoda say ‘this is the way’ in the ig voice aren’t they?

[@nownowdontbehasty]

Disney in 2014: We don't need Thrawn, we're telling our own stories! Disney in 2023: ARE YOU EXCITED FOR THRAWN?!!!

[@Edax_Royeaux]

"There's no source material. We don't have comic books. We don't have 800-page novels. We don't have anything..." - Kathleen Kennedy

[@strategicperson95]

He isn't going to be like Expanded Universe Thrawn. He's being Dinsey-fied, so why should fans be excited after they murdered the Legacy film characters.

[@shawklan27]

Disney makes me feel like I'm in a abusive relationship like just when I'm about to escape their sneezy claws they find a way to rope me back in

[@zigzag1630]

I'm not a lawyer, but legally speaking they HAVE to change Thrawn unless they want to pay the EU author royalties. Disney's most consistent corporate strategy has been to never pay anyone royalties if they can find the slightest legal argument not to pay. They been doing for most of the company's history so don't be surprised when they continue to try to screw creatives out of their royalties.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@zigzag1630 Legally speaking, why do they have to pay royalties? Are not EU Star Wars stories under the umbrella of the Star Wars Franchise and thus owned by Disney?

[@NickMK]

Mando this season: "She's ma queen" "The dark saber? I don't want it"

[@KelShu]

The Simpalorian

[@GhostLink92]

Jake Djarin.

[@Сайтамен]

Din Snow

[@nananamamana3591]

Internet Historian strikes again!

[@hypnobraicracksalesman3028]

@@nananamamana3591Denaerys: ‘’Jon, you will soon be a father!’’ Jon: ’’…’’ ‘’…’’ ‘’I don’t want it…’’

[@UnoGroove]

This is the (only) way I watch Star Wars now.

[@Jedioutcast]

Literally same lmao.

[@parsa1372]

Till Andor Seadon 2, this is the way

[@2ndRodeo_Keziah]

Amen.

[@nicridictv]

Preach!

[@mala6238]

This is the way!

[@Indigo_Gaming]

I can't get over the comedic value of the stormtrooper holding a blaster to Mando's head (menacingly!), while not taking off his blaster-proof helmet. Comically bad.

[@The1337guy1]

It's really annoying how kinetic energy is never accounted for in any of the Disney shows except Andor. Like if a blaster bolt has enough power behind it to stagger someone on their feet, imagine how hard it rocks your shit when it hits your head repeatedly? I'd love an acknowledgement or something that just because your armor deflected the blaster bolt, you still get injured by the energy transfer. But we won't because stakes and injuries aren't allowed.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

@@The1337guy1 IIRC armor in Star Wars mostly works by dispersing the heat and energy from a blaster bolt into the material, which when it works as designed, leaves a smoldering hole in your armor but not your fleshy meatbag of a body. That's why Storm Trooper armor seems like garbage. Some of those guys might just actually be knocked unconscious for a bit.

[@Сайтамен]

In season 2 four guys point at his armour, and one guy points at his neck, but he doesn't shoot...

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

@@The1337guy1that was addressed in one of the EU books by Karen Traviss One of the republic commando’s gets exploded.. is saved by his armour but takes massive concussion an is seriously injured Think he ends up in a coma an the protocol for the republic army was if clones were severely dama was to just terminate them The Mandalorian that taught this clone and had adopted him sends a friend of theirs to steal the clone away from the facility before he can be terminated

[@nobody2996]

"Go. There's too many of them!" Literally procceeds to solo the entire enocunter.

[@gonotgentleman]

He was secretly hoping to survive and level up faster.

[@derekfcc]

Still needed to get the achievement for a killtacular

[@lacidar3752]

He just wanted allyhe xp for himself.

[@xolotltolox7626]

Just like gandalf, he wanted the Solo Exp for the level up

[@ProjectRedfoot]

More like, "STAY! THERE'S ONLY ONE OF ME!"

[@zeethreepio]

Force Ghost Yoda realising he could have battled Palpatine in a mech suit.

[@Kernwadi]

Yes.

[@sparkypack]

"In droids you must trust."

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@Sparky "too civilized it is, the Mechsuit, for a man such as Sidious"

[@codyopperman5930]

"I knew you would not forsake us, Lady Katan" She literally sat her ass on the moon instead of investing the planet and searching for survivors of the purge.

[@TheL0ngbeard]

It would be interesting if they actually got resentful during all those long years, because nobody came to check for survivors. Imagine if their leader ehm... wait they don't have names... imagine if their leader was an actual character and challenged Bo-Katan in some way

[@FantasySportsZen]

Haha. "Oh...yeah.. right, you guys. Purge. Uh, I've totally been busy, sorry. And looking! Looking for you too, but got a little hung up. Yes, yes, definitely didn't assume you were dead." Lmao😂

[@stingerredshock3418]

>Lady Katan Isn’t her first name Bo Katan, and her last bame Kryze?

[@loganbrooks3557]

The fact that the mandalorian played by jon favreau just suicides for no reason is hilarious since it's basically representative of this show

[@Shockguey]

Kind of reminds me of Whedons, "I tried" homeless guy in the intro.

[@kianrodriguez4455]

I too would've been happy if my character died to escape this shit show

[@rogerhalt3991]

Ironic, he tried to save the SW galaxy, but not himself..

[@gwoody4003]

Yeah thats kinda what made me think the show itself is a sort of suicide note... a protest by Favreau via the show. Or he has no sway whatsoever anymore. The writing has never been amazing, but this season is next-level terrible. Too terrible for someone thats even semi-competent with even a little respect for the Saga. Its Book of Boba Fett all over again.

[@loganbrooks3557]

@@gwoody4003 I have no doubt favreau is just kinda shit at writing, I don’t think he’s written anything good besides being attached to Iron Man, which he doesn’t even have a screenwriting credit on lol

[@ashray870]

Rags: "Never seen a faction so devastated by local wildlife" LMAO

[@Vesporeon]

Rag's'' kinda forgot about the Avatar movies and Cameron's plots...

[@kelp7060]

@@Vesporeon It's a bit different. Those in avatar were ordered to attack in a large group, while here it's an appearance by big monsters every now and again.

[@Vesporeon]

@@kelp7060 But how did that make you *feeeellll?*

[@kelp7060]

@@Vesporeon Amazed. This is my favourite part.

[@jackattacksfilms]

"RUN! IT'S GOJIRA!" "It looks like Gojira, but due to international copyright laws, it's not." "STILL WE SHOULD RUN LIKE IT IS GOJIRA!" "Though it isn't." "AAAHHH!"

[@hkaayaakuu]

Forget gojira. Give me Shin Wagin😂

[@TasselledWobbegong]

Grogu happily playing in the lobotomized corpse of a friend is the most unsettling thing since Grogu casually eating the young of a frog-mom pleading with Mando to save her young. And both these moments were meant to be "cute." Meanwhile characters like Din or Boba Fett never get to be the amoral antiheroes we might expect them to be.

[@SPTX.]

This speaks volumes about the writers' ideologies.

[@chromicm6686]

​@@SPTX. I think you have isolated the main issue with media these days and why it fails to land. It is made by people with utterly depraved values that are anathema to ours.

[@t4rv0r60]

Its just a machine...

[@Сайтамен]

@@t4rv0r60 For Djarin it isn't, it's his friend.

[@t4rv0r60]

@@Сайтамен sry djarins behavior throughout s3 is so inconsistent, this argument doesent hold up very good

[@J__T]

The Armorer: Make a feast for our guests so that they may eat alone as we cannot take off our helmets. We are just _so_ great at hospitality.

[@arturzinurov4781]

These cowards skipped the actual feast part didn’t they?

[@samuellund1377]

missed opportunity for a MASSIVE spit-roasted Crocodile.

[@nananamamana3591]

@@samuellund1377 And a three course meal of terodactyle

[@alexhayden219]

Imagine how far spread out that many people have to be in order to eat without the risk of anyone seeing them.

[@J__T]

@@alexhayden219 Is that how they find caves and stuff? They somehow arrive on this planet and go to go eat, then just after supper, one contacts all the rest and he's like, "Hey Armorer, I found a new home for us!"

[@mrkeego1769]

When the son of the Dadalorian was brought back, Bo Katan brought back the three, now orphaned, pterodactyl babies. She said to the Armourer that she found new Foundlings for her. In this episode, they are now eating those "Foundling" babies... I want it now to be canon that the Mandalorians eat the Foundlings that fail their early tests and that explains why they haven't starved to death in that remote pocket of desert they called home.

[@matthewcollins4773]

Why not eat Foundlings? Everything else does.

[@beginnersmessiah]

So they were talking about groceries when they said 'there are only three of us left'

[@gonotgentleman]

At least that means we will (hopefully) be spared a ridiculous scene of them riding more invincible animals that can easily shrug off blaster fire into battle.

[@CrossBreedTacoHD]

@@beginnersmessiah S.O.N. ~Sudden Occasion Nourishment It's very important to keep one around just in case you get into a tight spot where food is not readily available. The best part is, you can train the food to start the fire you plan on cooking it on.

[@beginnersmessiah]

@@CrossBreedTacoHD so foundling is more like a dumpling for them

[@dubiousdolphin4470]

I shit you not, this is the 3rd time filoni had a sacrifice of a guy holding a mini gun surrounded by tons of enemies

[@kqawiyy]

What are they? I only remember Heavy in the Clone Wars doing that

[@callumpears1523]

​@@kqawiyy Thorn did too

[@Deterex525]

​@@callumpears1523 well that's 2, but who's the 3rd mini gun cadaver?

[@callumpears1523]

@@Deterex525 I guess there was also Hardcase, though he didn't have his minigun when he died. We also had Baze Malbus (though he wasn't made by Filoni)

[@theabsolutetrashman3708]

​@@callumpears1523 RIP Commander Torn

[@tamirfriedman1329]

I didn't have "Grogu gets a mech suit built from the corpse of that droid Mando was obsessively trying to bring back to life" on my bingo card

[@bleeters5984]

"Let us prepare a feast for our guests" I guess the helmet cult guys are gonna have to go out into the desert to eat their share of that feast in private, though. Kinda like throwing a feast wouldn't even be a thing for them to do culturally because they can never actually participate.

[@Neptune-hh4dq]

I love it that they turn their literal town hero into a child’s toy

[@gonotgentleman]

“IG12 is a space robot intended for babies.”-Bigbrain Suitjacket

[@atomicdancer]

That robot suit is literally perfect. Or it will be, when it fits a baby.

[@alexhayden219]

"When our heroes die, we walk around clumsily while wearing their bodies. This is the way."

[@terrasur4168]

I can’t understand the sheer magnitude of the minds constructing that giant monster scene. It was so expensive looking and yet so incredibly incompetent on every level that I can’t imagine a human being seeing the storyboard to the computer to the editing room without thinking, “Huh, why didn’t they turn sooner?”

[@LN997-i8x]

It was also entirely pointless, as it just happened to occur right next to their destination. They'd have been really screwed if the giant monster hadn't just despawned the second they entered the cave.

[@TheL0ngbeard]

Watching it I thought they are going to attack the beast, because my brain could not make sense of the scene in any other way.

[@alexhayden219]

"Let's create this entire set piece and monster just for them to not have to deal with it and still get to their destination!"

[@seane9808]

Mando: The suit is dangerous he’s not ready Also Mando: Brings an infant on his lap with no seatbelt into dogfights Father of the year right here 😒

[@parsa1372]

Ngl with all the plot armour mando has, that cockpit is the safest place in the galaxy :)

[@RedDragon924]

I was literally Mauler from 55:15 - 55:38. I was flabbergasted that Bo Katann couldn't bother using the Dark saber to save Mando but once Gideon's monologue was over, she immediately uses it to run away with the other mandalorians. It's hard to stomach something so blatantly contrived.

[@LN997-i8x]

It's even more baffling when you realize the Mandalorians actually ended up in a better, more protected position. She could have poked a few holes in the window and they'd have been able to shoot everyone outside in near total safety.

[@ProstheticConscience]

She was locked in the cutscene.

[@alexhayden219]

@@LN997-i8x Chungus was in near total safety just standing their outside, among all his enemies. Din's power levels went way down after bending the knee to his queen.

[@williamcronshaw5262]

Mando in Episode 2: "the atmosphere prevents all off world communication" Moff Gideon in episode 7: "I didn't get that memo."

[@sparkypack]

*moth gideon

[@miep3934]

Of course, he didn't get that memo. The Atmosphere prevented him from receiving it

[@Arphemius]

@@miep3934 That's some Hitchhiker's Guide logic right there.

[@Unknown-hb3id]

Ork rules - the limitation doesn't exist if he doesn't know or believe it exists

[@Jamesthemaze]

Or it very well could’ve been a planet wide jammer. The word of mouth could have been the reason they didn’t think to do so

[@zanderman4059]

The Paz Vizsla guy "sacrifices" himself to save the other mandalorians but then just wipes out all the enemy soldiers anyway which not only makes the entire heroic death thing silly but also makes me wonder if the rest of the mandalorians had just stayed they would of wiped the enemy out easily and the praetorian guards with them. I see absolutely no reason to retreat here. And despite us establishing that the enemy is wearing Beskar, they wipe them out so easily and with like no casualties outside the "ambush" because bad guy skill issue or something...

[@slowjoe0485]

Bo Katan literally could've cut through the door with the Darksaber and let all the mandos flood through and save him.

[@lukeb8526]

Also, in the subtitles, the Beskar-wearing stormtroopers are referred to as "Commando Troopers", which I would think implies a certain level of skill... but no. All the baddies must be expendable cannon fodder even if they are literally wearing armour impervious to the thing shooting at them. Why not make the enemy a challenge that the good guys have to overcome through actual intelligence? Is writing competent people so hard?

[@tarektechmarine8209]

@@lukeb8526 only as hard as a star wars fan accepting bullets are FAR superior to blasters on projectile speed alone.

[@Deadsnake989]

@@lukeb8526 Writing competent people is hard, when the writer is incompetent, yes.

[@lukeb8526]

@@Deadsnake989 Which naturally begs the question, why is Disney hiring incompetent writers? And then there's the entire rabbit hole that goes along with that question, but no matter how much I dig, I never find an answer that I can wrap my head around. As a rule of thumb, competent people are better at making money than idiots. Then, if A -> B -> C, Disney hires competent people... yet here we are. I don't understand it.

[@ceteruler]

Mandalorians: “Beskar armor… it’s perfect.” Moff Gideon: “It will be when it fits _me_ in it.”

[@johannesseyfried7933]

"It will be....when it fits an Imperial."

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@johannesseyfried7933Ahhh! I am Imperial!!!

[@davidmendez3899]

“I need help to the defeat the Mandos” “that’s an understatement. it’s been three seasons and you haven’t done shit, but we’ll give you the supplies anyway”

[@syksis9842]

Bo Katan, by being a part of Death Watch in Clone Wars, plays a big role in the fall of Mandalore. Death Watch wanted to overthrow the Mandalorian ruler in order to make Mandalore a planet of warriors, as the general population had fallen away from being warriors. Maul taking over not only split Death Watch in two, but also split the larger Mandalorian populous. This means that Bo Katan is one of the main people that was directly involved in bringing Mandalore’s downfall. Unfortunately we never see any of that addressed in this show. By all accounts (if the creators gave even a single shit about good writing) with how much Bo talks about hating Mandalorians killing and fighting each other, you’d think it would be a huge plot point that various Mandalorian factions blame her for how scattered they are. She might even blame herself in some manner. But we never touch on it ever…Thanks for forgetting about your own past work Dave, very cool. Edit: I forgot that because of what this episode reveals, Bo Katan essentially fucked Mandalore over in two separate major events, both of which were largely her fault. But we don’t talk about that..:

[@zachrohler1047]

Girl boss moment

[@SwampGreen14]

@@zachrohler1047 Gaslight💅 Genocide💅 Girlboss💅

[@nont18411]

Genocide is cool as long as it’s done by a woman

[@cardsgamble4905]

But that's the thing he wasn't the brains behind her story George was and it isn't like he didn't play with others but when he did let others take a more pro active approach to the show there where strings attach we are just seeing him without quality control clone wars was balancing act and Dave sure wasn't much of it not even the good arcs either. What I fail to see is why people are giving Dave credit for something he did not accomplish.

[@dragonknightleader1]

@@cardsgamble4905 Because he did do it. Lucas, despite being the one bankrolling the entire production, was also the one who wanted Ahsohka to get killed off for continuity reasons. Filoni obviously said no and we still have Ahsohka floating around being useless. Lucas's influence goes down the longer the shows were on, so Filoni is in charge of these projects. Which is not surprising. Dave Filoni considers the Saturday Morning cartoon the pinnacle of art and all his shows are just that; very expensive cartoons.

[@ShishouDzukiZaManako]

viewers: "why shoot grogu with lasers? hes a baby" Luke: "he's not a baby, he's a hapless degenerate"

[@gavinislightning]

I love that whenever efap talk about the book of Boba fett, whoever is editing the video will throw in the same clip of Boba's knee rocket gun combo

[@pantherapardus1398]

One thing that everyone's forgotten about, including the writers, is that Mandalorians have their own language called Mando'a. And it's still canon because Jango spoke it to Boba when Obi-Wan met him on Kamino. It's most major inclusion is the theme song for the Republic Commando game called Vode An ( Brothers All). A minor detail but still!

[@zeroryuj6093]

Shhh no, don't bring this up, it shows that Jango and by extension Boba Fett are truer Mandalorians than anyone in Clone Wars or The Mandalorian.. Speaking the language is one of the tenets of the Creed....that neither show actually bothers to mention what the creed actually is, they just say "I accept the creed"...That's like accepting the Terms of Service of a contract when the contract just says "Terms of Service".

[@Hippo_Hegemony]

And Disney def has enough money to create a language if one does not exist already.

[@Сайтамен]

And they already used Mandoa to write the ownership inside Boba's gauntlet...

[@DawidKov]

@@zeroryuj6093 Granted, even in KOTOR (where Mando'a first appeared) you rarely see Mandalorians speak Mando'a beyond just using some minor terms or quotes. It's pretty clear that the language died out at some point, and is now in the same boat as Latin, being used for cultural purposes rather than as a living language. Maybe it could get the Hebrew treatment, but in a galaxy as interconnected as Star Wars, it's unlikely. Especially with the adoption of random people into the clans, who would all be fluent in Basic. The Clone Wars Mandalorians are still my favourite depiction, because they show a natural consequence of what a warrior culture will have to end up. Either embrace an actual civilized way of life, like Satine and her New Mandalorians did, or end up being a despised collection of terrorists like Death Watch. People who adored Mandalorians (way before the show) were always ignoring that in every depiction they were fucking villains - raiding and pillaging and being an all around worse bunch of people than the Empire.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

zeroryu J mando'a is spoken on the clone wars, satine talks to a deathwatch suicide bomber in mando'a once. There are multiple mando episodes in clone wars and mando'a is spoken once. Mando'a is also spoken once or twice in rebels. Funfact one of the songs on book of bobafett is sung in mando'a (when boba finds the tuskens dead). They remember it, they just don't use it for some reason

[@sapheiron]

Putting a baby in a powersuit and bringing him into battle makes perfect sense for Mandalorians. Since they're all children mentally, the only point against it is that a child is physically too weak to fight. Nothing a powersuit can't fix! Revan did nothing wrong. (Revan is the EU character that near-exterminated the Mandalorians by killing the entire planet their main army was on.)

[@DawidKov]

God I wish we could do a repeat of Malachor V...

[@sapheiron]

@@DawidKov Influence Gained: Bao-Dur

[@grandarkfang_1482]

"I bring not peace, but a sword, motherfucker." -Revan

[@nananamamana3591]

"One Malachor V was not enough." - Revan, Based Lord of the Force

[@danielliew8698]

@@DawidKov Don't look up what Filoni did with Malachor

[@HectorLopez0217]

It has recently came out that Temura Morrison(Boba Fett’s actor) was told he’d be in season 3 of Mando, but they never called

[@zeroryuj6093]

Probably because he Henry Cavill'd himself. Kept pushing the writers/directors to keep with the source material and make Boba Fett be more like he's supposed to. They don't like it when actors try to do the right thing.

[@Сайтамен]

Probably they confused Book of Boba with Mando season 3...

[@samwallaceart288]

​@@zeroryuj6093 Henry Cavilled himself AKA having dignity and pride in your work lol

[@shawklan27]

Oof brutal move disney

[@HectorLopez0217]

@@samwallaceart288 What does take pride in your work even mean? Idk dude

[@xenohusky5979]

Oh! So the show does remember Death Watch, but only as a reference and once again not bringing the fact that Bo Katan was its second-in-command and that it caused Mandalor's downfall. Not only that, but they killed off Chungus Mando, removing any potential interaction with Bo Kotan and probably trying to be a tear-jerker-which doesn't work since since we know nothing about him and he's not acknowledged in the next episode! Fuck me...

[@Arko777777]

Even his own son doesn't remember Paz, there's not even a single line like "your father would've been proud" when Ragnar finally takes the oath. What a clown show that can't build anything impactful with it's run time... and they had several easy occasions to humanize Paz Vizsla but nooooooo we need to have a campfire scene where Mando tells Bo about eating instead of a conversation between Mando and Paz bonding them as two fathers caring about their sons in their own way... It's so easy to get that payoff yet they do nothing and that's what frustrates me the most.

[@sophisticautistic5453]

Nute Gunray: I will lock the Jedi in a room and fill the room up with poisonous gas and leave the jedi in there for a few minutes. Gideon: Now that's TOO SMART for me.

[@tarektechmarine8209]

Fire, massed fire, heavy weapons, shotguns. Technically all those can kill, jedi can just see faster than bullets and anybody can dodge or take blaster bolts.

[@sophisticautistic5453]

@Tarektechmarine poison gas is still better than nothing. Sure, Nute isn't a smart guy but it says a lot when he thought that doing ANYTHING would be a better option than "open the doors and let the battle droids take care of things".

[@UnendedGalaxy]

Better that deciding to have the troops fire blasters that do nothing to anyone wearing Beskar.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@sophisticautistic5453 It helps that the script immediately establishes with Nute's subordinate that he's never faced a Jedi before and is in over his head.

[@alexmelling5261]

​@@sophisticautistic5453 Nute at least went for the strongest plan at the time- Gas the room, get the droids to dispose of the evidence. That fails and the Jedi are now a threat?- hold up in your most secure room whilst your strongest and most counteractive units deal with it.

[@yokesplooge2852]

I like how the show demonstrates grogu can understand people and can read the room enough to make mature decisions except when it came to eating the frog woman's eggs he didn't give af even when it frustrated mando a lot.

[@LN997-i8x]

It basically confirms their theory that he's just a huge piece of shit who manipulates the people around him for his own gain. Like, what else am I supposed to glean from that scene?

[@alexmelling5261]

Grogu's intelligence levels lead to a very disturbing interpretation of his character, he's clearly fully aware and understanding of basically every concept you bring to him, but regardless he still acts in destructive, impulsive ways to the detriment of those around him. He's like an adult man playing infant to shirk any responsibility and the show doesn't even seem to comprehend how gross it comes across

[@SPTX.]

@@alexmelling5261 he's the projection of the writers room.

[@Toliman.]

It probably makes more sense if you consider that Grogu was in that 'shell/transport' for years, they tracked him down using the fob, but it's not clear how he got there, from the timeline of his escape until being captured by Pershing and company. I don't recall if they ever captured grogu, or he was used as bait to lure out more jedi, sic. Which I think was the plot from Obi-Wan, that they used a lot of moral baiting to capture/kill jedi and promote fear/empire loyalty. And they likely used the underground railway to isolate and move people off-world for recruitment and processing, preventing local rebellion or militia's taking in potential Jedi children or loyalists/renegades. Especially since grogu transposes from infant, to toddler, to teenager as the scene demands it... I would imagine he's more likely to be a 5-6 year old equivalent (Yoda being ~900, Grogu being ~50), should be able to talk and mature as the situation evolves and feels comfortable surviving and adapting. But, they never want that to happen, so it's going to be difficult to get progress or growth. My pet theory is that Grogu is an escaped clone of Palpatine, which explains why he can't talk, or people would notice him saying "good, gooood" ... now we know who Rey's Father is, sic. It was Grogu behind the empire all along! WRITING! It would be somewhat more exciting than the Dark Forces + imperial remnant thing going on now.

[@alexhayden219]

"except when it came to eating the frog woman's eggs he didn't give af"...or so many other times, but yeah.

[@davidmendez3899]

this episode is so indicative of what Star Wars has become, it’s can’t be an accident. you have the mangled corpse of a “beloved character”(like Joel) being piloted by a blatantly obvious cash grab who’s a baby version of an older beloved character. then, you have the main villain just straight up admit he’s just throwing together all the cool Star Wars stuff together. the Moff guy honestly feels like a criticism of fanboy writers who just blindly blends popular things together.

[@shaecouture7480]

Joel isn't a beloved character ;)

[@saustin420]

Who is Joel?

[@Edax_Royeaux]

@@saustin420 He's the guy who killed everybody in Last of Us 2.

[@Сайтамен]

@@Edax_Royeaux I wish...

[@Сайтамен]

Darth Maul x Jango Fett x Darth Vader

[@unformedeight]

It's freaking hilarious that nobody cared about the words "We were helpless resist the purge of mandalore" and "Mandalore has always been too powerful for any enemy to defeat" came from the same characters mouth within a few minutes

[@EpicJasonX9000]

Scott Evil: *Why don't you just kill him?* Dr. Evil: *No, Scott. I have an even better idea. I'm going to place him in an easily escapable situation involving an overly elaborate and exotic death.*

[@samwallaceart288]

I have a _gun. In my room._ I can go get it and pop him right here and now!

[@EpicJasonX9000]

@@samwallaceart288 “Scott……you just……don’t get it, do you?! You don’t!” XD

[@alexhayden219]

Seriously stop it. This show is serious. Not a parody. Seriously.

[@EpicJasonX9000]

@@alexhayden219 Shhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

[@rabscotty]

The writers clearly forgot that we didn't know the empire were on Mandalore when they kept saying "retake" Mandalore

[@tarektechmarine8209]

A mini war for mandalore would be Very interesting.

[@SPTX.]

The mandalorians themselves clearly didn't know either when they kept saying "retake" Mandalore. I'm pretty sure the writers didn't know either until they started brainstorming this episode.

[@alexhayden219]

They forgot the characters didn't know, either. No one knew. Except Jon.

[@picklepepper900]

Also, yes, Moff Gideon's winning was in between shows. When we last saw these morondalorians, they actually united mandalore against the empire and joined the very active rebellion during the Civil war. They had defeated most of the imperial forces on Mandalore as well, but apparently no mandalore lost and Sabine's family just died horribly lol! I Wonder if Sabine will comment on the rebellion abandoning her home that she primarily brought into the war. Since we now know she's going to be in the Ahsoka tv show.

[@Francoisyyy]

*Imperial Supercommando:* “What is my purpose?” *Darth Fring:* “You stand in a laser box until I walk through the hallway. You get no quarters or accommodations. You just stand there.” *Imperial Supercommando:* “Oh my God…”

[@HerohammerStudios]

Laser*

[@Сайтамен]

Other supercommando: Well at least we are safe here... Next episode: Oh fuck...

[@DaMaster012]

"Yeah, welcome to the club, pal."

[@tnoztnoz3547]

@@cadmus204 Gideon: "Putting five ray shields in this one hallway was an excellent idea. Way better use of these than, say, placing any at the entrances of my clone room."

[@Francoisyyy]

@@HerohammerStudios ty, fat fingers

[@dauren7328]

Bo Katan: Mandalore is too powerful to be beaten, save from within... tell that to the Jedi in the old republic, the Separatist Alliance, Darth Maul(nearly single handedly), the clone army, the empire, natural selection... seriously if it came to choosing them or an army of penguins, im choosing the penguins!

[@terrasur4168]

To be fair the Old Republic Mandalorians took on the Jedi Order and the Republic, and it took Revan committing an unthinkable atrocity to beat them that nearly broke the Force in the process.

[@AAhmou]

@@terrasur4168 The Old Republic Mandalorians were all about committing atrocities anyways. Planetwide attacks that target both military and civilian installations, nuking planets Mandalorians deem dishonorable, multiple accounts of genocide, experimentation on sentients and the list goes on.

[@Ophion]

Rags talking about how no one uses armor in the SW universe made me think of ANOTHER unresolved/unacknowledged plot point in Clone Wars. The Zillo Beast was a 60,000 TON creature that a battle on Malastare woke up and agitated. iirc after winning against the Separatists in that battle, the Republic then had to take down the Zillo in order to escape or some nonsense. Regardless, Chancellor Palpatine sent lots of people and resources to investigate the beast afterward because its hide was impenetrable to lightsabers. He had its body brought back to Coruscant to be studied and they did the whole evil grin bullshit implying he wanted to use it for something but it has never come up again. Flexible lightsaber-proof armor would be pretty damn useful...

[@tarektechmarine8209]

So, how to you mold/forge his special armor....

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Didn't the weird, three armed thing appear in the Bad Batch?

[@Сайтамен]

@@johannesseyfried7933 Yeah, that's the clone they created.

[@ivanhenderson31]

Good point. It’s mouse time tho😢

[@fondearth597]

Does Paz Visa's son have any other parents? Or any other carers? Shouldn't his son factor into his decision to "sacrifice" himself in a pretty significant way? It's almost like the only reason he has a son was for episode where the son gets kidnapped by Ridley.

[@sparkypack]

Chungus Mando, noooooooooooooooo! 🤣

[@CrustlessKing]

I'm sure his kid already got eaten in yet another giant space monster attack that occurred off-screen between the episodes, so it's not a concern for potential character development anymore. Mandalorians take the sea turtle approach to parenting, if even one child per generation manages to survive its first year they consider it a successful upbringing.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Eh, it's not like Paz Vizila cares all the time. Only when it might make him fail does he care.

[@Сайтамен]

@@CrustlessKing Nah, he is in the finale.

[@Сайтамен]

He has an uncle Jimmy Kimmel.

[@2ndlegend125]

Man, Paz was so unlucky that the preatorian guards didnt have their weapons disappeared.

[@CajunTexan1]

I never realized that Hux was played by one of the ginger twins from Harry Potter. And his twin brother is the one who played his dad in this episode!! Also, the frustrated sigh I let out when they mentioned Thrawn and Paelleon could have registered on the Richter Scale

[@Ka1ven]

Wait hux is played by a Weasley?

[@steaksauce232]

Not quite, Hux is played by Bill Weasley, and him and his brother aren't twins.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

Hux being a Weasley would explain a lot.

[@alexmelling5261]

Thrawn name-drop gave me that Leo moment "DON'T YOU MENTION HIS NAME"

[@Galvatronover]

Actually he plays the older brother of the twins and Ron I don’t blame you he doesn’t appear much

[@RAIDEN9001]

In Rebels, Maul did meet with Obi-Wan. There was more character in that short scene compared to the entire show. Call back to the different forms he used and ending with 3 swift moves Edit: Also I like how they started with a conversation and Maul asking why this planet in specific, leading to a realization that Obi Wan was protecting something, or someone. Only then did Obi Wan prepare himself for a fight to protect Luke. And after Maul is cut down he ask if "he" aka Luke is the chosen one. Oni wan saying he is and Maul believes he will avenge all of them. Perhaps meaning the Jedi and also the Sith that were manipulated by Palpatine.

[@samwallaceart288]

It's astounding how many lightsaber duels went down within earshot of the Lars home that year.

[@2ndlegend125]

That scene is like the 1 good thing from Rebels.

[@chasewilson3693]

@@2ndlegend125 Its literally the only thing it doesn't horribly fuck up or isn't completely pointless. Another show helmed by Dave fucking Filoni.

[@scorpixel1866]

@@2ndlegend125 Ashoka against Vader wasn't half bad either, but she should have died here and there. Sadly Filoni just won't let his pet OC's story conclude and resorted to nonsensical time travel, i wish i was joking.

[@2ndlegend125]

@Scorpixel that would have been 1 other good moment, but yeah, the deus ex save ruined it.

[@bencheevers6693]

Rags'es: You found a duck in a tree probably because it was near it's nest, it's mating season. *They prefer to nest near water. Females generally make their nest in a place well covered in vegetation or in a natural hole in a tree. Mallards exploit any open water where food is plentiful, however. This sometimes results in the choice of less than perfect nest sites, particularly in towns.* *Nests have been found in boathouses, wood piles, old crow's nests, hay stacks, roof gardens, enclosed courtyards and even in large flowerpots on balconies several floors up!* *The female mallard builds a nest from leaves and grasses and lines it with down plucked from her breast. Eggs are laid between mid-March and the end of July. The normal clutch is about 12 eggs, laid at one to two day intervals. After each egg is added, the clutch is covered to protect it from predators.*

[@austrelien298]

EFAP: Come for the film commentary; stay for the duck info!

[@conradmills4977]

You forgot about the deliciousness. Otherwise, great summary.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

Now talk about the shape of their genitals and what they use them for.

[@bobbyjankins3796]

This was interesting, unlike mando, thank you

[@Сайтамен]

I am just now writing a dissertation about ducks, thanks!

[@glassy1869]

Even post-clone wars in Rebels (canon and written by filoni) Mandalore is still an actual society split into different feudal clans, some of whom are loyal to the Empire (the cult isn't a thing yet), and someone named Sabine Wren steals the darksaber from Maul, journeys back to Mandalore and starts a Mandalorian rebellion, eventually giving Bo Katan the darksaber to unite the clans against the Empire. Sabine also invented a super walker in her past that specifically targets beskar and vaporises anyone wearing it, all of which happened before the purge, and yet NONE OF THIS IS EVER MENTIONED.

[@sophisticautistic5453]

It's odd how Paz held off every imperial soldier but yet he needed to stay behind to sacrifice himself... Kind of seems like the mandos could have taken out the imperial soldiers and the red dudes on their own and there was no need to run away.

[@nhagan001]

don't worry, I am sure his son will be fine when the next giant flying creature kidnaps him... unless Mando decides never to come back...

[@Сайтамен]

He could have just flied away from red guards through the hole in the ceiling...

[@pastychong]

@@Сайтамен his jet pack was shown to be sparking once he defeated the beskar stormtroopers

[@Cobruh_Commander]

​@@pastychong Picking up one of their guns was beyond his tactical expertise apparently.

[@shawklan27]

Exactly

[@-Azure.EXE-]

I love how Paz's gun just works. Mando's armour stopped his leg from getting crushed by the giant droidekas in Book of Bob Fett.

[@PrayForTanqueray]

TBF it doesn't look like it penetrates, for all we know they might just get knocked out from the impact. Of a blaster shot. Do they even do that?

[@xel1673]

Little did Rags realize, the duck in that tree was looking down at him thinking the doggo was the weird one for not getting to higher ground while a mountain lion was stalking around nearby.

[@jolean_cujoh]

Yogurt piloting his stupid IG Mecha feels like some kind of fan fiction idea. This is probably something you'd see in an AU from someone's Tumblr account trying to do some kind of wish fulfilment fantasy of Mando being a dad and Yogurt kicking ass.

[@Arackanox]

I love the fact that in Episode 4 the whole EFAP crew went, wait you took the baby dragons? Why? Episode 7' answer: We cook them for our feast lol. Well at least we see where they got any resources from for once unlike the magic firewood.

[@fornaxian]

Project Necromancer? Remember when the empire had sensible codenames like project mark omega and project pax aurora? Now we have project "literally exactly what we are doing" instead of a proper codename. Fucking 10/10 writing as always.

[@Сайтамен]

Megamind: Minion! Code: Release the bots! Minion: Sir, the whole point of a code is... Megamind: Just do it!

[@sakkra93]

It's like if Operation Quicksilver was named "Operation Deception", for example. Absolutely dumb.

[@matthewdenz1045]

All 4 seasons of the "Mandoverse" follow the exact same formula for their villains. They have a grunt unit that is seemingly endless, they have a mini boss unit that is unique to the season and will have it's own dedicated boss fight scene(s), and the big bad themselves. Season 1 had Stormtroopers, Death Troopers and Gideon. Season 2 had Stormtroopers, Dark Troopers and Gideon. Boba Fett had Pike Syndicate grunts, Cad Bane, and then the Syndicate boss. Season 3 gives Gideon a new grunt with Armored Commandos and a new mini boss with Praetorians with him in a new suit at the end. We also must not forget the single flamethrower and mortar troopers that just exist.

[@TarossBlackburn]

"We will have a feast together but we'll not actually eat with you because we all have to wander off alone to eat in solitude."

[@xel1673]

Could you imagine if, all this time, the Armorer, who has basically been controlling what happens, telling people what "is the way", and leading Mandos around, turned out to be evil and working for the Empire/First Order? And even forging the Stormtrooper Beskar armor for the enemies. All along she was the one discouraging people from going back to Mandalore and holding up the lie it was deathly toxic and ruined. As well as manipulating Bo Katan to "unite" the different Mando creeds, only to make it easier for the empire to strike them after they are all gathered into one place? Honestly, it would make more sense than what is currently happening.

[@Arko777777]

That sounds like a plot that requires some balls, but sadly this show is as plain as possible.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

@@Arko777777 It's so plain it makes vanilla feel exotic.

[@mellowtron214]

*A guy came in to my work today wearing a t shirt of Baby Yoda playing drums. I sorta poked fun at him for wearing it, but that got us on to the subject of the Mandalorian. I told the guy, I’d never seen the show and was unfamiliar with it (even though I’ve seen your reviews and am somewhat familiar) and I said “I’ve only seen 2 clips, 1 where baby yoda backflips in to a floating bowl, and 2 when a giant alligator eats jet pack people.” The guy, who I feel compelled to say was wearing eyeliner and a baby yoda shirt to go to a store, got super excited and said “the series is better than ever! Season 3 is some of the best star wars ever made.” He then went on to detail how, to fully appreciate the art that is Mando season 3, I have to first watch these 7 gay ass kids shows to even begin fathoming the artistic breadth of this masterpiece. With that guys cool eyeliner in mind, I will watch you’re review today and smile. HERES TO YOU GOTHIC GAY MANCHILD! CHEERS!*

[@johannesseyfried7933]

7? I can, at most, only think of three: Clone Wars, Rebels and The Bad Batch. Okay, and *maybe* that one series that takes place right before the Sequels....which was so boring that I can't even remember it's name anymore.

[@Сайтамен]

@@johannesseyfried7933 Resistance, Tales of the Jedi, Force of Destiny, Mando S1-2, Boba Fett.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@Сайтамен Ah. I see. I didn't count Mando because....well, it's kinda obvious that to understand the third season of a show you should watch the first two. Also, I completely forgot about Forces of Destiny. 😄 Which just shows just how bad it was. But....why would you *need* to watch FoD? As far as I recall, it has absolutely nothing to do with Mando.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

I love how every other KZbinr covering this show were all pumped with the "theory" that there was a secret spy in this episode because the title was "The Spies", and how it must be the Armorer, somehow. Then as soon as the droid appears on this episode Rags goes "Oh look, a spy droid!" LOL

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Because that was better than it being the obvious choice. It’d be like naming the last episode: The Droids or The Lazy Cameo by Jack Black.

[@GhostwalkerSparrow]

Clickbaiters be clickbaiting?

[@mellowgeekstudio]

@@Lobsterwithinternet The droids do appear more in the show than the "Guns for Hire". So it is not the first time the title refers to a very small portion of the episode.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

@@GhostwalkerSparrow That too. But people were obsessed by it even in videos not mentioning it in the title. Armorer being a traitor would be equivalent to Grogu turning to the dark side: a surprising twist that Disney would never do.

[@GhostwalkerSparrow]

@@mellowgeekstudio theory crafting youtubers are the worst tbh. There are still people who say the sequel's are getting rebooted...

[@TheGuyderman]

If Grogu is 50 and the equivalent of a 2 year old does that mean that Yoda was only 36 when he died?

[@KyloRenmcgoo]

Another sad example of a star dying young from drug abuse

[@arturzinurov4781]

My theory as to why people are turning on this season in particular is. 1) They undid Mando and Baby Yoda separating which was a high point for many fans and it introduced us with great many possibilities as to what could happen next and they undid it in a show about Boba Fett (a show not many people watched and now those who watched don’t give a shit about it). 2) I think people are finally starting to realize that it’s been 3 whole ass seasons and not only we didn’t get ANY character development done for neither of our main characters, there is absolutely zero character in our main characters. For example yeah Baby Yoda is a baby but babies have personalities and not to mention that Baby Yoda witnessed Jedi massacre at the temple AND most importantly he was cognizant enough to understand that what was happening is very bad. I mean seriously how much more impactful it would’ve been if when Mando turned Baby Yoda in to the remnants of Empire and as soon and Baby Yoda saw stormtroopers he started to cry and have panic attack to the point where Pershing had to sedate him. But no he a baby goo goo gaa gaa. And Mando too , literally all we know is he witnessed his village/city/planet? Get raided by the Separatists and had his family killed by the droids and that’s why he hates them but what does he think about the clone wars as a whole? What does he think about republic and the Jedi that fought against said droids? We literally know nothing and it’s been 3 FUCKING SEASONS. Even now Mando found an old Separatist loyalist who still believed in the ideas of the faction that ruined his life and all he has to say (after Bo electrocutes him because he shouldn’t be allowed to do that) “Politics… imma right or imma right lol”.

[@shanehudson3995]

Most we get is the muppet force choking someone of Gideon's ship.

[@alexhayden219]

I think 1 is a good call, but 2 is something that people definitely argue isn't true. I think it's some of 1, some of Gina backlash, some that this season is more fetch quest than the others (they all are, but episode 1 had him going all over the galaxy to find a droid to act as a Geiger counter when he didn't even need one), some the aimlessness (Din's quest was done almost immediately and then he didn't have much in the way of purpose or goal), and some Din bending the knee to be Bo's simp. The writing quality hasn't changed. It's shit, as always. But the other seasons either didn't have these elements, or didn't have them as strongly.

[@arturzinurov4781]

@@alexhayden219 so you think people love Din and Grogu as characters beyond “he a badass bounty hunter and he a bAbY”? And I just honestly don’t see that big of the difference with what you call “fetch quest elements” this season vs previous 2. Previous 2 were as much of the fetch quest bs as this one in my eyes.

[@alexhayden219]

@@arturzinurov4781 1. I don't think that. I see people saying that. They usually have trouble backing it up, but they claim that Din is a deep character. That's not my opinion. 2. I already explained how it was always fetch-questy, but 3 was even more so. You may not agree that it's more so, but no other episode had him going to more locations and ultimately for no reason at all than S3E1. It's perhaps one of the most pointless episodes of tv ever. No other character seemed more like an NPC waiting to give a mission more than Bo did in her chair. The whole show is a bit like this, but this season was even more so. Outside of this being my opinion, since the topic isn't what I thought of the show, but what turned people off of this season, this is an actual, IRL, totally verifiably commonly expressed complaint on social media, even among people that actually like the show.

[@sophisticautistic5453]

My favorite part about this episode is how Baby Yoda got character assassinated! Think about it. Season 1, he force chokes Cara Dune because Mando is struggling in an arm wrestling match. This episode, Baby Yoda doesn't do anything to help save his daddy getting beaten up.

[@Arko777777]

I didn't even though of this. Same with the robot that captured him in episode 2.

[@SC4RY_G4RRY]

He’s only powerful in the force and thinks when the script needs it to

[@CrossBreedTacoHD]

To be fair, that daddy did drag him into a warzone. Maybe he is having second thoughts on where his loyalties should lie.

[@kylesimmons9457]

I think Paz knew the Inverse Ninja Law is in affect for Mandalorians, so that if everyone stayed, they would have all died, but him alone as a single Mandalorian might actually have a chance.

[@chaos7309]

I find it odd that at 27:40 they made a point to linger on these fancy laser gates. They are reminecient of the ones used in the phantom menace which were invulnerable to lightsabres. Later on their trap just uses regular metal blast doors and easily escape using the darksabre. If they knew the mandos still had the darksabre, why wouldnt they use these laser gates here as well?

[@AlexMoffet]

Imagine how good this story could be, a group of people rebuilding a civilization vs a galactic power

[@kelp7060]

Can't you say that for a lot of stories though? I was hoping for the simpler bounty hunter story like Fringy since it would be a nice change.

[@thomasbrown6723]

It’s hilarious how in 3 of Faloni’s shows has Bo Katan lead the mandalorians to retake mandalore and each time she did it ended up being worse off. Also it shows she lost mandalore 3 times in a row she only has support because of her of her sister and her being the second in command of death watch

[@justinstoll4955]

Mauler: "I bet Gideon has another entire army." Me: An army of Gideons!

[@sparkypack]

season 4 : gideons strike back

[@alexhayden219]

"Giggity-giggity-Gideon."

[@justinstoll4955]

Paz will be missed almost as much as Wade.

[@sparkypack]

Don't worry.. he's fine. They put him in XXL bacta tank.

[@Natusian]

WAAAAAADE!

[@danielliew8698]

No one's ever really gone

[@oi_johnny]

ALMOST

[@TheycallmeNoid]

That felt like something out of a parody. Chungus Mandolorian does this whole sacrificial last stand only to win. Ugh um wait the red guards show up with their glowy sticks and kill him.

[@sparkypack]

Chungus Mando level 98. Red Guardsmen level 99.

[@Сайтамен]

​@@sparkypack Stormtroopers level 2

[@Arko777777]

It's like a video game again. Red guards spawned off-screen as a next wave of the encounter.

[@HolyknightVader999]

The red guards are the invincible marines from Halo 1 that show up to kill you if you kill the captain.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

The Gungans, they built their cities hidden underwater, they had shield generators to protect their armies and personal shields to protect their warriors and provided cover for their soldiers with artillery, in nearly all regards they are shown to be more intelligent than the Mandalorians.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

The Gungans took down Grievous in combat once.

[@tarektechmarine8209]

@@FriendlyDarkwraith EMP

[@Сайтамен]

Gungalorians. Disa da way.

[@seanhunt3847]

Just remembering that little bit from the Clone Wars when the Republic and PALPATINE come across the Zillo Beast. A massive gangly kaiju (I guess he fits right in in this show) who's scales were lightsaber proof. It was also force sensitive and tried to kill Palpatine but that's not important. What is important is that Palpatine ended up secretly trying to use those scales to upgrade the clone armour, so that using the clones against the jedi during Order 66 would be more successful. It didn't work, but it showed Palpatine was aware how useful lightsaber proof material was when facing enemies such as the Jedi. So why not use Beskar? Mandalore is a nuetral faction during the clone wars but Death Watch certainly wasn't, they were often aligned with Dooku and had no love for the Jedi. More than that, they were a terrorist group who could certainly benefit from selling it to someone with pockets as deep as Dooku/ Palpatine. If not that, you'd at least think Palpatine would be extremely interested in Mandalore and that resource. Hiring bounty hunters to steal Beskar from Mandalore? No. Pushing for the invasion of Mandalore from either the Republic or Separatist side of the war? No. Just straight up trying to buy it with your vast riches? Nah, sounds too hard. Trying to pry the scales off a pissed off force Godzilla who actively wants to kill you specifically? Sure, why not, great idea.

[@nobody2996]

Hell, Palpatine should have just been able to announce he kicked Maul's ass back when Maul was Mandalore and thus should be the rightful ruler to the gulliable Mandalorians with how stupid the dark saber rules are.

[@seanhunt3847]

@@nobody2996 Yeah good point actually. Just flash the darksaber in front of them and get all the beskar he wants

[@zacharybreen8891]

@@seanhunt3847 but remember back then beskar while high quality material wasn't everything proof back then it is only in Mando where it became everything proof unless the plot says otherwise like with chungus and the Gideon clones.

[@Сайтамен]

The clone of Zillo Beast appears in the Bad Batch.

[@therealestmedel5337]

Mando bringing baby yoda is like in the last of us 2 where the pregnant lady comes along

[@Сайтамен]

Pregnant IG-11.

[@flatbread42]

Mandalorians in the lore are supposed to be the most feared warriors second only to force users. They were coordinated and competent enough to challenge the Jedi. They were the highest paid bounty hunters in the galaxy, and the Jedi had to fight to stop their expansion. Their leaders during the clone war held his own in light saber combat (no force) against Darth Maul, and the group was able to capture Obi Wan, twice. This new group is absolutely embarrassing.

[@Capt.Thunder]

No non-force user should be able to last more than a few seconds in a 1v1 against any force user. Even discounting mind tricks and telekinesis, the force user's precognition should make it impossible for them to compete. But the writers are stupid.

[@flatbread42]

@@Capt.Thunder if you’re the referring to capturing Obj Wan, what about the clones in order 66? Many sources of more including the movies say the Jedis’ abilities to use the force had diminished gradually over the war, and if you over whelm them, which Visla did, they die. If you’re talking about the fight with Maul, first he agreed to no force to flex, but also, General Grievous? General Grievous is a normal human that was augmented with cybernetic enhancements and was the most famous Jedi killer at the time. Jedi can’t just passively see the future, they have heightened reflexes, but it’s not like they are untouchable by non-forceusers and that’s been shown many times in Star Wars.

[@Capt.Thunder]

@@flatbread42 It depends upon the force sensitivity of the Jedi in question, and I haven't stated that they are untouchable, merely that in a 1v1 non-force users stand no chance whatsoever, unless the force sensitive person is weak or untrained. In most cases, Jedi are killed through being overwhelmed, and often through ambush where even their precognitive intuition won't be fast enough to save them - Obi Wan is almost hit by artillery in Episode 3, he wasn't prepared for it, and the projectile speed was faster than he and his mount could account for. I never said that they have a television screen in their head that shows them the future, it is instinctive response to things that haven't happened yet and perceiving things in their environment that normal people can't. Grievous is a terrible example, given that he is cybernetically enhanced to a superhuman level in terms of strength, speed and reactions which allows him to "fake" force user fighting prowess. He should have been more vulnerable to telekinesis than he was portrayed, but other than that he is not "a regular person". I think that it's frankly laughable from a canon perspective that a trained sith apprentice as powerful as Darth Maul would struggle against a regular dude who hasn't trained to use a lightsaber in a lightsaber duel. Period. Even if he is deliberately suppressing his precognition, which let's say he can do and is inclined to do out of honour, lightsabers are not a weapon that normal people can effectively use because they are really lightweight compared to any standard weaponry, normal people don't train with them, and they require superhuman reflexes to utilise effectively. I say this as a long-time Star Wars fan. Mandalorians can be very cool if done right, but their advantage was never defeating the Jedi on their own terms, it was the asymmetry of the Mandos playing to their own strengths, cunning use of tech, tactics, mobility, armour and weaponry that the Jedi would struggle to deal with. Jango only dies to Mace Windu because his jetpack gets broken in the chaos of battle by a rampaging Reek, and also the battle is not fought on his terms, he is reacting, he screws up, and he pays the price.

[@flatbread42]

@@Capt.Thunder the only place I have a comment is the idea visla never trained to fight in a lightsaber duel, that was the whole point of him using the dark saber, so he’d be trained to stand up to the Jedi, and he trained for this purpose from when he was a child. An additional detail is Visla had his armor and additional weapons such as his flamethrower, jet pack, and explosives. So I agree, someone who’s never trained lightsaber combat would definitely lose to Maul, but that’s not what the terms of the fight were.

[@Capt.Thunder]

@@flatbread42 Fair enough, I haven't watched the Clone Wars (past the first season) nor the Rebels continuity, and frankly, the Mandalorian has made me doubt whether I should bother doing so. The quality of the writing does sound slightly better, but I do suspect that there are real tisms in there. Favreau and Filoni are great with putting in Star Wars Easter Eggs, but not a whole lot else.

[@jamesc8968]

That 'Ohhh' after the alien who sells fruit is sprayed with juice is so genuine and heartbreaking. I lol'd

[@LAZLODMAN]

Big Boy Minigun Man cared more about a board game, than his son getting eaten by a bird.

[@stryder414]

People who genuinely like the Mandalorian are the type to be entertained by slapping their action figures together, like Big Helmet in Spaceballs. “Did you see anything?!” “No sir, I didn’t see you playing with your dolls again!” “Good!”

[@bartomiejmucha8475]

I wonder what this Mandalorian feast looks like, a big table with food, everyone gets their own portions and goes to their room to eat there alone? Because according to Episode 4, this is what every Mandalorian meal looks like. Also, every drink is blue, except for the one that is blue by lore? LOL

[@tisallgood]

I feel like it would be the easiest thing in the world to design a chest plate for IG12 that looked like the front of a Mandalorian helm that would slide up or down in combat and protect baby Yoda while allowing him to see…

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

That would actually be a somewhat neat idea, which is precisely why Disney didn't go with it.

[@MrJiggles]

I had a thought when watching this episode: How do Mandalorian's mate? Do they wear their helmets the whole time? That's pretty dumb if so..

[@JeffreyAppSteam]

Dont Tell that them simps

[@MrJiggles]

Gives me furries vibes if they procreate wearing helmets..

[@slaapt]

They're big into silk blindfolds and doggy style.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

There's a reason they're nearly extinct.

[@samzilla567]

Just like with Lord Shaxx, the helmet stays on.

[@kieranholmes8086]

The Heir to the Empire books are heavily focused on the main cast of Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, Lando etc and what their place in the galaxy is now in a post empire world. Thrawn then comes in as a threat to the new republic. Whatever movie Filoni is working on can only really be Heir to the Empire by name (if he he is going to go down that road), unless we got some cgi abominations of the OT gang interacting with Ahsoka, the Rebels characters and Mando lol. Consider as well how easily Thrawn could be fucked up by this level of writing we're getting out the Faverau/Filoni projects.

[@midlevelgeoff]

"Get in the robot Shinji!" Holy shit I fucking died.

[@battlegoose2012]

Episode 7: Let's bring wounded to the flagship. Episode 8: I will suicide ram the flagship with wounded people into the hangar bay.

[@jackmrsich3178]

I like how MauLer says the words “Comment Showcase” it just brightens up my day and brings me happiness. 😁

[@Hollyclown]

Fun Fact: The Wood Duck do make their nests in trees near water, sometimes a mile away from a water source. They are the only North American Duck that makes 2 broods a year and after hatching, ducklings would have to jump down to the ground to make the journey to the water. The research for this fact was FAR more interesting than sitting through this episode.

[@Phoenix0F8]

I love moth gideon's steve jobs speech about the features of his new mandalorian armor

[@reachlol1]

I want to see a supercut of Mandalorians saying "This is the way" while dying in the dumbest of ways while Entry of the Gladiators plays

[@Slipstream317]

Paz is just gonna come back because he got stabbed in the stomach- and everyone knows that Mandalorians have 2 of those. On a side note; after watching through the Mandalorian a while back, I've come to the conclusion that Filoni and Favreau are massively overrated as writers. They _are_ capable of making good stories and writing decent characters (though even Ashoka got ruined by the World Between Worlds in Rebels), but they do it far too inconsistently to ever deserve the amount of praise they get from the fans. Filoni might be the 'successor' or 'heir' to George Lucas, but he's only the successor to the bad writing choices- and though both Filoni and Favreau are capable of imitation, they don't match the quality of even the prequels, let alone Andor or the original trilogy.

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

Both Filoni and Favreau have spent too long at the Hollywood money trough and have become addicted to the low-effort writing that Disney keeps rewarding them for.

[@alexhayden219]

This is all true and I'm glad that more people are realizing it. I realized it a couple years ago, but I, too, gave them too much credit in the beginning.

[@darthskarr8975]

I've said this many times before - the Disney Canon Mandos are *nothing* like they were in the EU. A lot of the traditions and culture presented in Canon only first appeared in this brain dead show and were never a thing before - the helmet rule is a prime example of that. And old Mandos were many things but they distained mystical "Jedi Weirdness" - so these cosplayers relying on visions and 'Magic Lightsaber Rules' is just so anti-Mandalorian. Speaking of; the Dark Saber was suddenly made "The Dark Excalibur" by Dave in his Rebels show, which came completely out of left field. In TCW it was just a war trophy that the Mandalorians took from the Jedi Temple, presumably during the Great War between the Republic and Sith Empire (*because that's the only time when Mandalorians took part in an assault on the Jedi Temple). Then again, Dave can't keep any of his shows consistent with each other - like there suddenly being Ancient Mandalorian Noble Houses in Rebels which somehow existed the same time as Mandalore going pacifist during TCW and got rid of their warrior castes.... In the EU, there was Mandalore's Mask, which for a time each Mandalore (aka; King of the Mandalorians) would take from the last one when they are KIA'd or MIA'd and then wear it as the Mando equivalent of a crown. It was eventually lost to the ages and the Mandos just moved on from it because, again, the old Mandos weren't these superstitious retards that the show tries to glorify (Funfact, in the EU, Boba Fett (some time after crawling out of the Sarlacc Pit) became Mandalore himself and last I read anything about him from the EU, he spent his last few decades training his estranged granddaughter to take up the Fett family legacy). Also Beskar was never F@cking Adamantium before this bloody show. It was high grade good quality armor made from an Alloy (not a mineral) that Mandalorians knew how to smith - and it was a tradition that every Mandalorian had to craft or inherit their own set of armor themselves. But again; it was good armor, not F@cking plot armor (and Beskar weapons were never taboo either - they were very common among the Mandos). If you wanted Lightsaber Proof armor, you'd get something like Cortosis - which could very much F@ck up a Lightsaber, but the trade off was that the metal was very, very brittle and was practically cardboard to anything that's not a Lightsaber (and that's why you added it other metals as an alloy to make Lightsaber *resistant* weapons and armor).

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

Mandalorian iron was impervious to lightsabers in the old EU. (Exar Kun has a ton of trouble getting into Freedon Nadd's tomb because of it)

[@aprilblues3202]

Lost to the ages? Didn’t Revan cause division within Mandalorians because he hid the helmet and no one could lead without it? I can’t remember if he brought it back or not.

[@darthskarr8975]

@@aprilblues3202 Revan hid the mask after defeating Mandalore the Ultimate - and then later gave it to Canderous who became Mandalore the Preserver. Sometime after Canderous' rule, the mask was lost for good.

[@darthskarr8975]

@@sirpepeofhousekek6741 It wasn't impervious - it was resistant. It could be cut through given time and body armor isn't as thick as a door or wall made of it. I do also remember the EU also said the Empire used prisonships with Beskar Cells to hold Jedi.

[@kieranholmes8086]

God think about how cool mandos were in the pre disney continuity, I'll never not be sad that this is the mainstream audience's perception of them now.

[@rannenw6207]

They were even better Pre-Filoni.

[@kieranholmes8086]

@@rannenw6207 That's what I'm referring to, KOTOR lore on mandos is elite

[@A_Conservative_Patriot]

Exactly. A Mandalorian used to be an extremely skilled, bada** warrior. Now Disney has turned them all into just a bunch of stupid, incompetent buffoons

[@lacidar3752]

Karen traviss aside they were pretty cool.

[@rannenw6207]

@@lacidar3752 What is wrong with Traviss?

[@seane9808]

I cannot believe they cooked those 3 baby dragons as food 😮

[@happynihilist2573]

I think the main reason people turned around on this show is that their lizerd brains built a resistance to the empty spectacles forming them to thray and think about what's actually happening in the show

[@Sand_Dolphin]

Even for the flashing lights and spectacle this show doesn't give great visuals

[@petriew2018]

I think they turned because of how bad Kenobi and bobf was..... No matter how many memberberries they throw at you, there is no denying star wars will always sink back to the bottom of the barrel.... So why bother with Mando anymore?

[@joshuasmith6909]

What even stops Paz Vizla from flying away with his JETPACK? It’s not damaged, there’s a hole in the ceiling, and the Praetorian Guards can’t fly. He could have just left!

[@sharonafleming2544]

WDW Pro does an interesting video and they talk about what happened after the Season 2 finale of Mando. Lucasfilm was so pissed everyone was so happy Luke was back they decided to shelve him once and for all. It is quite eye opening. It explains a lot about season 3 of Mando and the weird 2 episodes in Book of Boba Fett.

[@old_fritz]

gotta love how mandos armour was supposed to be the only one completely made of beskar. Remember that from season one? How did the writers forget their own show?

[@powerfist1340]

So does this mean that Grogu is Forklift Certified?

[@hectorbarrera8046]

If IG is still sentient, it's gotta be pretty messed up being used as a puppet bot

[@temple2117]

Paz had at least five stomachs, so he'll obviously be fine. Canon.

[@shawnboosveld7042]

The fact that Paz's jet pack is just sitting there uselessly on his dead body, front and center. Not like he could've used that to, idk, FLY AWAY from the praetorians who had a distinct LACK of jetpack. You guys make this show tolerable. After every scene I wince and cringe, I am comforted by the thought that you guys will tear it to shreds for being the brain rot that it is.

[@T1S_Mixes]

*Where is Jay? Is he safe? Is he...alright?*

[@sparkypack]

With regret I have to inform you that MovieBob got hold of Jay. 😔

[@T1S_Mixes]

​@@sparkypack *NOOOOOOOO!!!!!*

[@samwallaceart288]

I can't believe Moff Gideon's grand return was brought about because some tertiary sub-contractors of his wanted to drink booze in a school. . .