Everyone Gets This Wrong About Building Wealth

[@MakingMoneyPodcast]

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[@jacktill3610]

i dont really comment that often but would love to see James shack come on the podcast!

[@imbarmstrong]

😂 I just came on to say the exact same thing! Think James is the last of the UK Finance KZbinrs I watch who hasn't guested on this podcast or collaborated with Damien on his channel!

[@michaelbuckmaster00]

I’d love this, great comment

[@g1nge211]

They may need to do it in his kitchen though 😁

[@robincandy7064]

I always thinks James Slacks examples are somewhat contrived, oh look I'll alter this parameter and now this one and hey presto I've given you the answer you wanted.

[@joshholland9020]

I agree

[@chrisbourne-retirementplanner]

Thanks for having me on guys I really enjoyed it. Good chat about lots of topics.

[@queensberryrulez5306]

Great advice

[@user-qk5fg7ye5p]

Great episode. Loads of useful info Chris - gained a new subscriber!

[@chrisbourne-retirementplanner]

@@user-qk5fg7ye5p Thank you. Welcome to the channel!

[@chrisbourne-retirementplanner]

@@queensberryrulez5306 Really glad you enjoyed it.

[@Solihul886]

Thank you for the insight, enjoyed the video

[@LordBenjaminSalt]

The main thing I think is missing in all of the retirement planning and financial planning content and providers I see everywhere is content aimed at what I consider the normal worker. I work in a warehouse with roughly 600 people in (depending on time of year). Among them, there's about 20 people who earn more than £35k a year; the other 580 are on just above minimum wage. I watched a video a few weeks ago, I can't remember who from, that was saying it was addressing "low earners", which turned out to mean people earning the average UK wage of £36k. Most of my friends and colleagues will never earn anywhere near £36k (adjusting for inflation). The most common response I see when people mention this in comments is "well they need to stop being lazy and get a better job". Most of them are in some group like "Single mother living paycheck-to-paycheck" and will likely never be in a position to stop working and upskill, and don't have the time to take evening classes. The few people I've discussed retirement planning with have almost all told me that it's impossible in their position, so they'll just have to work until they die; they're essentially hoping for massive societal reform to free them from the trap one day; or (most commonly) they just don't think about it because it's not an option. 🪮

[@jordy46682]

Biggest lie in the UK is the "average salary"... Ask 10 "average" people and you'll get huge variance. 7-8 will be on close to minimum wage. 1-2 will be on £35-40K and 1 will be £40-60k. Ask someone in mainland Europe, Belgium or Netherlands for example and the 8/10 of people will be quite close to the actual average salary.

[@maall1185]

​@@jordy46682the median salary is about £35k. So if asking 10 people, there should be 5 people earning less than 35k and 5 people earning more than 35k.

[@deborahrose7047]

That's exactly my point, they ignore women,low earners, so this message is not very valuable to those groups....

[@GrandPlato]

This can be very true. Most of these contents presume folks have a lot of spare cash to contribute towards a pension, when in reality people are opting out especially where there are no decent employer-matched contributions. However, I think even lower earners should still try and make some contributions towards their pensions and benefit from the tax relief as anything is better than nothing. Median UK pension pot is around £107k at age 60, which would roughly be a £95 per month contribution over 35 years at around 5% returns. Not a lot but definitely could help.

[@UKGeezer]

Maybe a good video opportunity for Damien - investing for single parents and low earners. Anything they can invest into a pension is better than nothing - tax relief, employer contributions and compounding all add up even for tiny contributions.

[@Lee-hi1vp]

It’s been mentioned a few times about financial advisers not really catering to people in their 20/30s. KZbin is an amazing resource for learning, can you cover some of the books that you would recommend a young person to read for future planning/understanding finances? Love the content, you have changed my financial life for the better, thank you

[@MakingMoneyPodcast]

Thank you! And yes great idea 📖

[@FinancialConsultdotcodotza]

Here is some financial advice for 20/30s from a financial advisor. I'll do it in the form of a question. If you save $500 pm from age 20 to 30 and stop investing vs. starting with the same amount at age 30 to 55...which one will give yo a larger capital amount at age 60?

[@FirstMM]

@@FinancialConsultdotcodotza That is just a maths question. If you start at zero and invest $500 between the age of 20-30 and then just let the money sit without adding anything else, and assuming a growth rate of 5% per year, at age 60 you will have about $350k. If you do the same but start from zero at 30 and stop adding more at 55, you will have about $370k (you will reach $350k at age 59) but it will have cost you an additional $90k to get there (25 years worth of $500 a month vs 10 years of $500 a month).

[@FinancialConsultdotcodotza]

@FirstMM congratulations, it is maths that solve many retirement issues, and in this case, for the 20 - to 30 year olds, it shows them the importance of investing early.

[@RiskOnInvestor]

Big fan of Chris' content, great chat chaps. I've personally found building my own cash flow model super helpful for planning ahead and highly recommend anyone with a bit of excel skill doing it, it really help highlights some of the flaws of 'conventional' withdrawal content online

[@spartacusptolemaida]

I need Damien,Chris,Ramin and James Shack for an epic Podcast

[@mimigization]

Don't forget Pete Matthew.

[@mccannger]

Could we do it like Question Time, with a live audience or maybe we post questions before it on KZbin ⁉ Agree with other poster re Pete Matthew, too. Cheers

[@jamiebishop9512]

Some different angles here Damian. What a great addition to your online resources. Thank you for taking the time to create this content. You have really helped me.

[@29erguru]

“Think about how much value you can add to as many people’s lives as possible. Money will come as a by-product.” Brilliant stuff Chris

[@rhinoboy6603]

I don’t understand what he meant. I’ve heard people say this before and I would love it if I am wrong but I don’t think the richest people are those who have “added the most value to the most peoples lives”. I guess it depends on what you call value but to me people who add the most value have often sacrificed in the financial department. If he just means financial value then maybe, but not in all or even most cases. In the big leagues I’d argue that a lot of big businesses detract value, (ie bookies) and if you consider health, well-being, happiness as value I don’t think one leads to the other at all.

[@Rakschas666]

That is how you build reach and a platform. Money can come as a byproduct, but it wont necessarily. Wikipedia is an example of that. But it can work, i.e. Facebook or Google. Apple is the counterexample, their wealth is build on a model of percieved exclusivity. Apple never catered to people with no money. At points that impeded growth, at others it secured survival.

[@johnbris5]

This is probably the most comprehensive and clear life planning advice I've ever come across. Thanks.

[@Trigger1973]

Great video, I’ve been watching yours and Chris’s channel for couple of years now and the content is super helpful. His video with the plastic colour blocks to show how you can take over 25% TFC was a lightbulb moment. Keep up the great content. Brilliant gag at the end of this one T. 😄

[@nickd1973]

Great to see both Chris and Tom on your recent podcasts. Chris gave me some invaluable info on pension contributions that is really making a difference. Much appreciated 😊

[@imbarmstrong]

Nice to see Chris on here. I think that just leaves James Shack as probably the one remaining UK Finance KZbinr I also watch that Damo's not collaborated with! 😅

[@Nova2Yung]

I love these podcasts, they give me hope, the guests you have are absolutely fascinating and my most favourite has been Andrew Craig, i have learnt more from this channel than School on managing my finances, without you 2 i would have been piss poor with no hope in life whatsoever, thank you for these podcasts and may the British people reward you all immensely, much love to you both , from the bottom of my heart❤

[@DamienTalksMoney]

Love this comment thank you so much! 😊

[@MarkCW]

Great video as always. I forgot about the child pension (already have a child ISA) so that was useful. There are always handy things to pick up from your videos.

[@jamiefarrell4425]

Great to see Chris on your show. I’ve followed his channel for years and learnt so much from him!

[@bernardo.daSilva]

39:07 why is this not thought in our schools? The starter rate savings band.

[@rickym1301]

First time watching you boys, really enjoyed the whole thing! Well done and thank you!

[@Abdul_Rahman86]

I invest my money in a SIPP to protect my money from 2 incredibly dangerous things. 1) Myself 2) inflation

[@MrFrobbo]

1. Is key with such easy access to platforms, your own money and YT/News fear mongering. Well spotted

[@johnporcella2375]

3. The State?

[@darrianwilson6545]

It's good to hear talk on current lifestyle too. I fear too many people do without today to finance their tomorrow. I've experienced how life isn't all that fair so do champion the cause of remembering to live for today whilst having a keen eye on tomorrow 😊

[@F0ssil]

Hi Guys, enjoying this video but it seems that when talking about creating wealth etc the focus seems to be on younger people (20/30). Which is great, but it would be nice to see some content for older people who may have missed the boat when younger and are now looking to be better (50/60 y/o etc) , people that cannot really change career for various reasons (asking for a friend of course). But it would be nice to see that kind of content (cannot find a comb emoji though :))

[@Equitybonds24]

lots of videos about this..

[@F0ssil]

@@Equitybonds24 I am struggling to find them, at least amongst the people that i am viewing

[@hughiemg2]

My first thought would be that the steps and tools are the same, unfortunately the time horizon for compounding to work it's magic is shorter. Working off the assumption that an older person will have lower mortgage left to pay or no mortgage at this stage then they can be more aggressive on salary sacrifice on to pension to maximise the 60k personal allowance and build the ISA pot.

[@blakevincent5786]

As a man of 50, let me think about that….save and invest as much as possible? Yep, that should cover it. If you are behind track, go all in on equities. If you are borderline, be more conservative, especially last few years ahead of retirement date, Use KZbin to learn more, create a simple savings build-up and retirement spending outlook Excel spreadsheet to calculate how long your money will last in retirement and crack on. If this seems too difficult, spend a few hundred quid and consult a professional. 👍🏼

[@ttrjw]

Good point on EM active management. That's why there are no fewer than *three* Vietnamese investment trusts listed on London.

[@JoeHardacre]

I think on the point of wanting the optimal path for finance and investment is because we're constantly being shown how much 4-5 years of compounding will add to our wealth down the line. I completely understand that just getting in with some investment is better than procrastinating cause you don't have the perfect goal, but investing success is also heavily dependant on having the time to see those investments flourish. So i can see why people would ve dishesrtened at "wasting" years with suboptimal investments or just investment mistakes because those years might have made them thousands at the end of their investment journey had they got it right the first time

[@keithclunk3125]

Chris Bourne - Top bloke. Sharp as a butcher's knife when it comes to finance beyond the every day stuff.

[@boyasaka]

I’m now paying 50 percent of my wages into my pension and work pays 10 percent So 1700 a month into pension I currently have 125 k and at 8 perceht growth per year ( if I can get that ) in 8 years time I could have 460 k when I turn 60 and will be retiring like a shot

[@stuartthursfield4333]

Would the state pension also contribute towards your taxable income? Along side your work place pension.

[@benfarmer-webb1016]

Yes. The state pension is used first for your personal allowance. Then the rest of it is used on any private pensions you have until you pass the threshold and start paying the basic rate of tax

[@Jonathan-lf6nq]

"It doesnt need to be optimal it just needs to start" - that hit me like a smack in the face. Great line. Stealing it. Keep up the great work Damo, new listener but love the show.

[@coley240387]

Really good one. Loving the videos they are so helpful and informative.

[@gothenburg83]

Great episode. Wish it was 3 hours long. Not 45 mins!

[@Liensy]

I opened a stocks and shares ISA this year and used up the allowance already. I also have a cash ISA which I would like to transfer to my Stocks and shares ISA. Will I be penalised in any way as I would like it in a more tax efficient tool. As you say, I opened the cash ISA out of fear, like 70% of the UK.

[@hachimaru295]

both of them are zero tax so equally efficient but the ss isa can give u bigger returns over time there should be not penalty to txfr

[@lajollapowell4068]

Great episode - I think Chris is great his tax insights are invaluable!

[@caratdrol7524]

Thank you for creating a UK-Based financial channel. More power to you, lads!

[@dungster33]

Would love to hear a discussion about if your financial goal is on track, then something happens that rocks your path. Say loosing a job or long term illness.

[@DamienTalksMoney]

🪥I can't find the comb..

[@mccannger]

Great episode, nice 1. Idea for another episode: introduce folks to Monte Carlo simulations. It really builds on the 4% stuff, takes it to a whole new level and gives deeper perspective on future planning so we can have more confidence than the 4% rule gives.

[@michelpohl1019]

Nice video! Is it really worth it to plan holding much cash just to benefit from the starting rate from savings? I'm thinking about that since interest rates are very variable and anyways in general interest rates do not compensate enough for inflation. Or maybe that could be a nice thing to think about let's say in a retirement strategy with a cash buffer to mitigate potential market downsides as that cash buffer would earn interest anyways (if not invested in a low risk asset)

[@stephenlewis2084]

💈✂️ can't find a comb emoji!

[@andrewn7340]

Just promise us if you get James Shackell on that you'll do it in *his* kitchen. Iconic.

[@MakingMoneyPodcast]

What if we told you it is the same kitchen.

[@andrewn7340]

@@MakingMoneyPodcast Then I'd say T needs to up his soft focus lighting and man smouldering game

[@OpenDoorEnglish]

Spain is brutal - no ISAs or any ways of investing in a tax efficient way. You get hit on absolutely everything.

[@Rannerz]

Same as Ireland

[@robertjacobs8471]

There is the concept of the tax efficient Spanish Bond, does offer significant tax savings. I invest via Utmost in this way... but yes it's true Spain is much more limited in option for tax efficient savings.

[@bago696]

Ireland is brutal for taxes, hammered from every angle

[@Qwairy]

​@@bago696Unless you are an international megacorporation lmao

[@xiaomingzheng]

How to use £5k Start Savings Rate? Does the £5k has to be from savings interests?

[@daviddawson9099]

www.gov.uk/apply-tax-free-interest-on-savings check the government website it explains what is allowable interest,

[@AKAMustang]

It's a weird niche that probably isn't applicable to most people. e.g. Work a part-time minimum wage job and have over £20k in savings. But you don't have to do anything to use it. You just don't get taxed automatically because HMRC know all. www.gov.uk/apply-tax-free-interest-on-savings

[@hachimaru295]

maybe need a bank giving 5% that will let you pay in more then a measly amount to get a decent return

[@DKNW62]

Chris is a great resource, I’ve learnt a lot from his generous explanations, comes across with great integrity. Would love to hear more about tax efficiency also what additional things people can do if already paying into government pensions. On the work front sadly a lot of companies don’t reward hard work and talent alone, it’s naive to think this this. Finally after a long career it’s also balancing well being, being valuable a specialist talent will bring more earnings potential but this is usually comes at a personal cost. Great video guys

[@TomRyanElliott]

That emoji at the end 😅. I've just opened a business for my B2L property and I know what you mean about the Pension instead

[@Rakschas666]

14:00 You cant outtrain a bad diet. And our ability to adapt a bad diet far outmatches our ability to train more, better and harder. Not sure how far this comparison tracks.

[@gobot4455]

I agree with him 100%. I did a FPV analysis basing retirement on a purchasing power I had in 2018 using the average inflation rate since 1972. Everyone else's needs are different but the FIRE nerds on reddit are a special breed.

[@sorindstoian3262]

Thank you for all the knowledge that you shared with us. Your videos are creating so much value 🎉

[@cybermuse6917]

💇 Keep up the great content guys! Would love to see a transparent episode which is a walkthrough for someone. I know its different for everyone but I imagine seeing a real life case often would be better than what most are doing anyway!

[@grahammills5707]

Great content guys and great choice bringing Chris in for him to share some of his insights- he has really helped me shape a tax efficient retirement plan - his channel is a must watch!

[@MrBerry67]

Great number of tax incentives in the UK, people need to do what they can to take advantage of them. In Australia there are no tax incentives for investors in stocks and shares, sure there are benefits when taking retirement funds out including no inheritance tax, but so important to take advantage of ISA tax free allowances and gross up pension contributions

[@Solihul886]

Enjoyed this video, thank you

[@deborahrose7047]

The thing is it doesn't take into account career breaks to have children , low wages because jobs Looking after children, it would be good to have examples which talk about people with changing finances, unemployment, sickness etc

[@djcr_91]

One of Damien’s recent videos discusses this so well worth a look if you haven’t seen it. The common guidance is a fixed percentage for pension/investment contributions throughout a working life, but as you say this isn’t always practical or realistic. It’s a great video and I found it very reassuring!

[@olliebrown89]

Some golden nuggets in this, nice one.

[@OneAndOnlyMe]

Loving this collaboration!

[@xiaomingzheng]

Where can I access Voin software?

[@Dr.JubairsFinance]

He was Bourne to be on this podcast

[@capcomgenius3974]

Great show guys, enjoyed this one!

[@kevwallis100]

Excellent…..

[@MrMckechnie8]

Great vid as always, i would love to see a vid on sipps and the benefits on tax breaks as a sole trader, thank 👍🏻

[@jesusrevus8017]

Good stuff! Just upped my pension contribution to 18.5% from 7 with employer putting 7% in too. My pay is only down £200 a month but I get £100 child benefit back. Lots of ways to improve pension savings. Channels like this are really helping people. 👊

[@simonw1421]

🪮 Great video again!

[@dubsdolby9437]

He seems a knowledgeable guy . It would be interesting to see these advisors' portfolio performances over 3 -5 and 10 years. There are not many that are that transparent on youtube. A few are, but not many. If i was paying an advisor, i would want to see how good he is with his own personal wealth.

[@Adrian-vf6kh]

As they say “a financial advisor who is poor, is a poor financial advisor”.

[@theoceanman6221]

Have James Shack on please!

[@davies0121]

Another excellent podcast (I also follow Chris on his channel). Sorry, I couldn't find a comb emoji .🤣🤣

[@sk00v]

I thought that was Harry Mack at first and was waiting for some freestyle on building wealth!

[@Paul-uy9it]

Great episode, thanks guys.

[@nicholarichards4803]

So informative, thank you

[@TaiwoOmotosho-m9v]

Very beneficial.Kindly invite Edmund Bailey to discuss about NHS Defined Benefits for those directly employed by NHS but many forget the millions of temporary workers that are working through private contractors and locum agencies who are workng in NHS hospitals but not consideerd as NHS employees so are left out of the pension scheme. Why is no one addessing these groups of individuals and how to get them out of poverty ?Auto enrollment default strategy is a joke !Unfotunately,Hundreds of thousands of Immigrants are in these categories from cleaners to secuity officers to doctors and nurses.Hope Edmund Bailey whose wife is in the scheme could educate the large pool of temporary workers helping build our NHS

[@daviddawson9099]

What about a LISA?

[@CaliToTheCrowd]

Great Pod lads

[@nicnaks68b25]

Great episode

[@jonnyporter]

Great episode guys 🪮

[@manymoms920]

Im just listening to those west mid accents ( I’m more Worcestershire but it’s close enough)

[@Riaan3108]

Great guest, tax is hugely important.

[@foreignermakingmoney-phili1458]

great vid

[@MakingMoneyPodcast]

Thank you!

[@seanfitzpatrick1531]

Enjoyed the episode 🪮😂

[@Roberto-lc4hk]

✂️ no comb but here goes 😂 love your work!

[@martinbower2915]

The tip for contributing into a childs pension for 20 years with tax relief, then letting it compond is really good.

[@Carlos-pg3hs]

Great video 👏

[@paulhignett378]

I took financial advice and moved money to stocks and shares isa and lost 15% in 6 months and only made 0% gain 18 months on. But my FA still took his fee - just remember folks FA’s will take the fee even if they don’t his the promised targets.

[@Desmond.TuTu.]

If you use such small time frames to judge investing performance in stocks, maybe the stock markets not for you, maybe a cash isa is more your style 🤷🏻‍♂️👍🤔

[@Huwsview]

Here for you Damo! ✂️👨‍🦲😂

[@ChrisBird1]

No harm in having £200,000.00 in an Isa drawing it down tax free whilst drawing other income ,keeping below the TAX threshold .. £22,000 per anumm tax free is easy then .

[@m-1917]

15:24 good point. not gonna lie

[@seanwalsh168]

Not going to lie. The thumbnail had me thinking this was an interview with Dave Gorman

[@declanmcardle]

Indian investing didn't work for me...I said 'Ta-Ta" on the way out...

[@AKAMustang]

Up 83% in the last year.

[@Phucket24]

Another cracking show can you one day invite Dominic Frisby I think he would make a great guest

[@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058]

Stocks are not the end all. For me, it’s about accumulating a strong diverse foundation that can protect you, back you up, and/or cover you later in life or in times of super serious financial strain. The main focus should be you starting your own business or working at your job to meet your financial goals. I would rather spend my life trying to make it than spending my life afraid of the thought to make it. What helps me feel better is knowing behind me are my backup, my “if all else fails” kind of investment

[@Swingking1977]

🪮loving your work fellas

[@666cowie]

I don’t feel that people are told only to invest in the market. However most people are told not to try and pick individual stocks. And that most people don’t want to know or don’t understand, therefore the market is arguable the easiest thing to do. That and the fact Warren buffet said exactly that. Most people are just wanting a quick fix.

[@yugensea5616]

I add money into my cash ISA to build an emergency fund… that gives me peace of mind, so I can start investing in stocks and shares knowing that I still have an emergency fund in case anything happens. That’s my plan!! Not the best though, bu I think it what works for me

[@rjScubaSki]

That’s a waste of the allowance. Use premium bonds or easy access savings.

[@coderider3022]

Need to get on Meaningful money , he’s pretty good too.

[@ukulelalienation]

James is a great finfluencer. A safe pair of hands.

[@BVisa]

Can we take a moment to appreciate Damian's hair line ☺

[@PaulReardon-qh9fk]

Where is that bloody comb emoji!!!! 😂😂😂

[@MakingMoneyPodcast]

😂 here you go 🪮

[@actuallythedog263]

‘’CEOs have been asking me to help employees with their savings” course they have Damo 😂

[@MakingMoneyPodcast]

I wouldn’t have started a business if there wasn’t demand from the market.

[@paulturner4419]

Don’t bother with Voyant just find a good retirement calculator and don’t trust Monte Carlo which is a waste of time,

[@muffemod]

Cutting consumption has a greater impact than making more money.

[@safc2951]

Inflation is Also how much you waste on crap

[@johnporcella2375]

Maybe somebody can check my maths here! Investing £3,600 gross for eighteen full years in a newborn's SIPP, say, growing uniformly at 5% per annum would not reach £1m as stated, after say fifty years (I am assuming retirement at 68). (3,600 × 18) × 1.05^50 = £700K to £800k. At 6%, it definitely breaks the one million mark.

[@coderider3022]

You would have paid 64k in but incl 2.5compound growth (bond rates) would give you 100k in todays money. Leave that 100k for 50yrs would easily get 1m. Your missing compound interest on the 1st 18yrs and I would assume 3.5-5 above inflation is more realistic. Would be a great labour policy to solve the current Ponzi scheme.

[@johnporcella2375]

@@coderider3022 Yes, you are absolutely correct! I forgot to compound up the contributions in the first eighteen years!

[@GeorgeMcEntegart]

No comb emoji but this will do...💈🤣

[@saxofonistacr]

Only pay a financial advisor the same percentage he is going to pay you if you lose money. Financial advisor is the best job deal in the world. You do what I tell you if ends right I get part of it. If not you just lost your money. And the only thing I have to do is talking

[@LSNUFC]

✂ Doesn't seem to be a comb emoji.

[@polkadotshillor]

Financial advisors seem like a scam, surely all they do is say out it in index fund and put in isa and put more in pension especially if you in marginal tax rate