EVERYONE is Cheating at Chess??????

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[@ItsQubic]

Accusing someone of cheating is like copyright claiming someone's KZbin video. It's easy to do, an absolute nightmare for the accused to deal with, and has absolutely no repercussions for the accuser. It's messed up.

[@marvelsandals4228]

Only unlike copyright claims they don't siphon 99% of the income generated by a video from the creator to the rando who claimed them (the money is not returned if the claim is later appealed and the appeal is successful btw, its absurd)

[@MolonyProductions]

No it's not. If I get called a cheater I know I'm good.

[@steinanderson9849]

*no repercussions for the accuser

[@ItsQubic]

@@steinanderson9849 Yep that's what I meant.

[@filthyfrank.5]

Not true at all. Kramnik has had plenty of repercussions for calling tons of people cheaters. He is looked at as a joke now.

[@DustinHasVideos]

I must confess I’ve cheated at chess over the board. I was playing a guy in sunglasses and I could see his pieces in the reflection of his glasses. I knew it was wrong, but I did it anyways

[@vastabyss6496]

lmfaoooo

[@The_Human_Tripod]

Can’t believe you would do this, you should’ve informed that he was in a disadvantage with the reflection.

[@xcraftyx]

How is that cheating, you can also see peices over the board

[@vastabyss6496]

@@xcraftyx that's the joke...

[@varadsalunkhe9008]

@@xcraftyx r/woosh

[@drcats]

At this point, it's safe to say Vladimir Kramnik has completely lost his mind.

[@_nemo171]

According to his 'math', 50-50 chance he's completely sane.

[@TurboFog]

Let the man vent. Sometimes it takes a catalyst crazy person to expose something.

[@haiyaa960]

Dang that's really funny😂😂😂

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Yeah if he's going after Naroditsky then he's clearly not all there.

[@Musterkartoffel]

Plottwist : He's cheating himself, and is doing the biggest fake story ever

[@bobbynygaardchrisitansen6874]

4:50 "Ian is way too strong to blunder" as I remember Ian blundered a bishop in world cup against Carlsen.

[@YamiKairu]

Also Carlsen blundered a knight against Hikaru in the speed chess wc

[@dustinphillips2855]

I agree Nepo seems like a sore loser. Look at his performance in the WCC. Sure he is really strong but he can just easily lose the thread when he is off. I also feel like there is some camaraderie with nepo and kramnik. They seem to echo each other.

[@danomaly8943]

Agreed and it’s sad that Ian is looking like a sore loser and a poor competitor because clearly he played too aggressively and ended up losing. 2700s are too strong to play that wild the game was over as soon as Jospem got his king to safety. Furthermore Jospem defended with time pressure which makes cheating less likely.

[@mjtpli]

Seems like some of the big players define “cheating” as “I lost a game “.

[@wateriscoming71]

That ...g5 Nepo faced, with 20 sec is barely imposible without one wisdom arrow

[@onedaytoolate3374]

Chess world must admit that cheating paranoia with unsubstantiated accusations is officially a new big problem. It might be more dangerous for chess than cheating problem.

[@FredPlanatia]

agree, its degenerated into an uncontrolled witchhunt.

[@disruptor6550]

Yeah 100%

[@blacktigershearthstoneadve6905]

Just because someone is paranoid doesn't mean he isn't being stalked.

[@MorlockTrxsh]

big agree, been sayin this since kramnik first started going bonkers

[@TheGameMasher]

Unless most of the people he’s accusing actually are cheaters, then he’s only catching them by accident.

[@ErinWi]

Kramnik: Crazy old man; Nepo: salty sore loser; Fabi: almost certainly correct.

[@Hbmd3E]

Rus -2 US +1 ?

[@johnlicciardello2389]

Lol

[@B-fq7ff]

@@Hbmd3E funny considering that the Soviet players commonly cheated by fixing matches

[@xEric1993]

Fabi projecting so hard. Wouldn't be surprised if he cheated in the past

[@Unknown1Percent]

no

[@normandmorneau-deschenes8005]

13:35 Hikaru played a very provocative English. I.e. : he played 1. c4 and exclaimed "OY! D***HEAD!"

[@ninderPB]

😂😂😂

[@centryll1313]

xDD

[@Hungary_0987]

Fr

[@MadaxeMunkeee]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Levy takes this joke someday 😂

[@alihijazi4451]

Or it could be an englishman (or woman) dressed very provocatively 🤭

[@mohammadtehreem1802]

Everybody's on Stockfish. ~Nate Diaz

[@yanniammari1491]

This is the chess equivalent of ufc "everyone is on steroïdes "

[@張謙-n3l]

The huge difference is that in UFC, they can get people's blood and urine and probably some other things, and send them to laboratories for checking. But for chess, it will be much more difficult, especially for online games.

[@paulchristian8470]

Not even closed First: by taking steroids you were not instanly getting better and win, there still a lot of efforts to do Second: using strong engine in chess will make any person can beat a person that takes their whole life learning chess. You will instantly win.

[@yanniammari1491]

@@張謙-n3l ye but even in tourneys Ive heard of dudes an even kids popping addies like tic-tacs for better performance

[@yanniammari1491]

@@paulchristian8470 am not only talking about online engine cheating am talking about match fixing adderal abuse prep leakings but the most prevalent forms of it are the addies and the engines

[@Warsongcitizen]

there are many athletes in UFC that never used steroids. There are no champions tho. @@paulchristian8470

[@talonthehand]

This is all a plot by Big Backgammon to take over the online board game scene.

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

Jajajaja

[@damienmcgrory9462]

This comment is so underrated 😂😂

[@ManoleitorArg]

Bro this could be the case... this is insane conspiracy

[@shateq]

Some facts fit together?

[@imightbebiased9311]

Backgammon making a push for that frontgammon spot.

[@GukGukNinja]

In other games cheating accusations are basically a praise and usually the reply is : "Skill issue."

[@MokaBeats664]

I think and I hope it's just skill issue and they're not used to these elo rating biases(like playing mostly online and not getting invited as often).😊

[@teemumiettinen7250]

until they find the word.exe and its proven that the player indeed is cheating.

[@isaacmillen8789]

In what games??

[@andya8090]

those are mostly cases of mechanical skill (keyboard and mouse), while chess is a game of pure intellectual skill

[@DickEnchilada]

Lazavik is too nice a guy to say "skill issue" to other GMs tho

[@Grandcapi]

I win, therefore I am a genius. I lose, therefore you are a cheater. This could be the new motto for FIDE.

[@dsccrafts6305]

Levy is bassically the og chess dude 20 years later

[@namantherockstar]

Levy inspires me.. My parents said if i get 70K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally Begging..

[@dsccrafts6305]

@@namantherockstar I wish you the best

[@Logun2549]

​@@namantherockstaryou're gonna be begging forever then

[@absention390]

Well MY parents said if I got 69420 subscribers they’d buy me A PRIVATE YACHT with GORDOM RAMSAY as my private chef and A FREE MANSION SPONSORED BY MRBEAST!!!

[@Luggaxd]

@@dsccrafts6305 he just wants subs. hes lying

[@TKNinja37]

Seeing Kramnik's "analysis" posts, I REALLY want someone to fire back a hot streak of Kramnik's own. Like, a 13-win, 92+ accuracy tear he went on (without saying it's him, or when) and then get on his case when Kramnik accuses that as cheating.

[@pretzelman945]

That would be amazing 😂😂

[@andrewgregger3081]

He blocks anyone that disagrees with him, even me lol

[@DrDisemb0wel]

I've heard kramnik has lost a lot of his skills lately, so that might not happen very often. Then again, I don't know what people with triple my rating would look like, so who knows where kramnik would be

[@dibyajotibanik9804]

He is okay with that. All he wants is an investigation on everyone including him. Is that so wrong to ask? What harm will it do. When all of them are thinking the same thing why not investigate? There are many ways to investigate this, some of which is mentioned by kramnik in his hour long video.

[@truebeerus]

We need to take a balance view on this (specially the spectators): (1) Fabi's point if I understand correctly is basically this: GMs, FMs, IMs all are on morally and ethically at a similar level to everyone else. The current measures for online chess are obviously not good enough to stop someone who really wants to cheat smartly. There is an opportunity to cheat (prize money), possibility to cheat (not good enough measures), and these are normal humans too. So it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility if more people are cheating than we currently think. This, I believe is a very legitimate point and fair concern. Super GMs are completely justified in this aspect (2) On the other hand it is also important for Super GMs to recognize their position and influence seriously and ask themselves the question. "What if the other player is not cheating?" Their accusations and actions need to be scrutinized very carefully. Specially by themselves but also by the public (3) If you are a casual fan/chess player who cares about the game, don't start randomly trolling/accusing/insulting either side. The community needs more maturity to tackle this issue. The super GM concerns are absolutely fair and so is the reality of causing massive harms if you wrongly accuse someone. Also, I know trolls can't be removed but keeping discussions civil and level-headed is absolutely essential to minimize all the harms the online discussion causes. This however is obviously a temporary solution. (4) The permanent solution comes from no other way but to devise measures that ensure no cheating is possible (easier said than done). No amount of insulting or punishing the top players will solve this problem People on reddit want to believe if all these top players accusing others were to shut up or shunned from the community, the problem would be solved. No it won't. Fabi's point is bullet-proof. If someone online wants to cheat smartly, we can't stop them right now. The 2500 player can cheat and play at a 2600 level against other 2500s. Doesn't mean they'll always win as a 2500 can also play like a 2700 on their best day. (5) Also Levy (19:45), there aren't two possibilities for how much the paranoia is justified. When discussing about any specific player it is indeed just two possibilities: they are either cheating or not. But the paranoia is about how prevalent cheating is: It can be completely justified, completely unjustified or anything in between depending upon how many people are cheating.

[@MorlockTrxsh]

ezpz, dont play online chess for cash, ill save you some brain cells you will NEVER be able to remove the possibility of cheating online, OTB is much more securable, simple as. You cant even do the riot games solution with a vanguard style monitoring program bc you can run an engine on a separate computer.

[@crusaderACR]

There's a moral question I think everyone should be asking. There are two possibilities when accusing someone: Either you falsely accused someone innocent and tarnished their reputation, or you happened to catch an actual cheater. This is an old, OLD question. For what's considered the best answer I can quote Benjamin Franklin, who said "it is better that 100 guilty persons should escape than that one innocent person should suffer" Innocent until proven guilty is thus considered a human right by very many people. So basically if you're not over 99% sure there's cheating then SHUT UP.

[@qazzaqstan]

It should also be noted that even if actual cheating is rare the fact that both players know their opponent could be cheating can make definitely affect the mental game. It is why in ethics we tend to care almost as much about appearances of conflicts of interest as actual conflicts of interest. Everyone having a justifiable reason to doubt the fairness of a system is itself a problem even if things are largely fair in reality.

[@MorlockTrxsh]

@@crusaderACR this is why I unironically think Hans's lawsuit had merit, even if the damages he was asking for were utterly absurd. He should've asked for lower damages but the fact is Magnus's word has severely effected Hans's career with absolutely no real direct evidence, only circumstantial evidence and Magnus being "he's not that good lol."

[@Walteriswhite69]

I ain’t reading allat. 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@ptastydactyl]

Don't forget about the internal vibrator. Even having someone in the room or sitting right across from you wouldn't be a sufficient measure of detection. Only playing naked in a faraday cage after receiving an X-ray, to detect any internal electronic implants, would ensure neither party is cheating.

[@donsurlylyte]

and would amp up the game considerably!

[@gloworms]

Or a metal detector

[@MVeans]

a cavity inspection prior to start of play

[@thethan3]

@ptastydactyl4488 That's misleading, a NJLD will be able to detect the non-linear junctions in electronics, and a shielded room is sufficient.

[@freddymars2014]

The ONLY solution is to submit to a full rectal exam prior to the start, and after every bathroom visit.

[@張謙-n3l]

It's really a problem that no one has an idea how many people are cheating, especially at the top level where a small hint can be a huge help without creating too much suspicion.

[@daremate6370]

​@@MrPeak111thay is mega GIGA interesting. This clearly warrants investigation.

[@beng4151]

This is the best comment yet. I know for a fact that people use their chess engine sometimes and then don’t use it when it’s an easy move. However, I think the biggest problem is sandbagging. Idiots who pretend to be beginners and then slaughter everyone.

[@TyrannosaurusCHEX]

It's also the case that top level players might have simply prepared much deeper into the position then their opponent so if they won within the first 20-30 moves then every move they make for the entire game will be a 100% match.

[@4RILDIGITAL]

The rise of online chess is a double-edged sword. While it brings the game to more people, it exposes it to potential cheating. The solution remains unclear, but the sanctity of the game must be preserved.

[@VeritasAequitas31415]

Nay, the solution IS clear. However, it will not be implemented in money-worship world. The problem isn't going anywhere, it will continue to get worse. That's how such a world works...everything takes a back seat to profit.

[@cookie14467]

chat gpt ahh comment

[@freddymars2014]

The solution is clear. All participants must play naked and submit to a full rectal exam. Also bathroom breaks will no longer be allowed and participants must dedicate in a FIDE approved chamber pot. It's that simple.

[@AmariLindsey-l5p]

@@freddymars2014 That's a little too suspicious for me.

[@RCG3-i6m]

there's always been cheating. but there's also always been hidden people that are extremely good and super gms who just accuse are going to damage the game badly

[@boyohazard]

Levy: maybe I should cheat for content. *Account closed for fair play violation* Next video: Gothamchess sacrificed...THE ACCOUNT!!!!!!

[@sjoerdvogel3352]

Underrated comment 😂

[@clawboss2028]

Not funny

[@AmariLindsey-l5p]

@@clawboss2028 True.

[@TyrannosaurusCHEX]

He'd never get banned, he brings in too much revenue for the big sites, even if he was blatantly using engines in every game they would keep him around and ban anyone who dared make a public accusation.

[@PaysagedHiver1]

I see a lot of (older) players from big chess countries (USA Russia, France), accusing new and young players from smaller countries (Peru, Belarus, etc.). Not good. And many of them seem to not grasp that ELO ratings are broken.

[@YoManChess]

Without even watching i can still predict this is featuring Kramnik

[@AryanNayak-yt]

Me too 😂😅

[@dannycooper7552]

VERY VERY INTERSTING !

[@jaredschroeder7555]

Not as much as you'd expect, but definitely lol

[@MaskedDeath_]

Kramnik would say that you guessing him right out of almost 8 billion people in the world is definitely very interesting

[@jacobjohnson5992]

There is so much content available for players to get very good at chess in a short amount of time (good book btw Levy). When chess becomes your life and you can spend hours of time and it doesn't cost a lot, the # of formidable opponents is going to increase. The fact that the whole chess world theoretically can implode because certain people can take an L makes me think that Gotham makes a good point. There should be repercussions for people's unfounded accusations. I think all the players that Vladimir accused of cheating should start with a class action lawsuit for deffamation.

[@Bobromil]

That's ridiculous. Fide should take some actions, no need to bring litigation into this

[@johanvanaelst8976]

I'd like to see the top players play more OTB outside their bubble of invitationals. It will either adjust the perspective of what's normal in terms of upsets or confirm the general consensus. Either way we'd be a little wiser.

[@davida7153]

Its a good idea. Also would be great to see some players that only play online performing otb in some tournaments and how well they do.

[@jevitigre]

You only see that in chess olympiad, European club tournaments

[@qag3513]

Think that's why Tata Steel was more fun than some other more recent tournaments, was a blast seeing the mixes and more unusual match ups.

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

Having tournaments like that with big prize money and the games are not counted against rating points so the strong players would be inclined to enter would be very entertaining.

[@Thanos-hp1mw]

Qatar masters 2023

[@johanandhira5429]

16:30 I like how Dennis beats Anish by drawing. Literally beating Anish in his own style

[@footballforyous]

But the thing is, even if they send people to watch the grandmasters play, some people will still say something like, 'The grandmasters paid the people watching them to not tell anyone about them cheating' EDIT: Thanks for all the likes guys I really wasn't expecting this

[@Patashu]

It might make more sense to livestream a view of what the GM can see. If there's no Stockfish.exe up on any of the monitors or on a phone or whatever, then it'd be pretty hard to be cheating at that point, right?

[@sumant787]

Exactly lol

[@DenisDenisovich-tz3bk]

I must be accused in cheating with worstfish

[@Da_Dev]

Kramnik really lost it with age

[@kashem425]

Yeah sad thing is he’s only 48.

[@akshay_9146]

@@kashem425 TIL Kramnik is younger than Vishy😳😳😳

[@MadsKirkegaard]

Ben Finegold: "He's a crazy old man, and he's not even that old"

[@JacobsKrąnųg]

said 100 elo player

[@turtle207]

Kramnik is not old and not crazy and still very strong at chess...

[@planepantsgames1791]

The reason I can't get an ELO higher than 600 must be.....CHEATING!

[@tomino5201]

I am 450 elo and yes my accuracy is only 45 percent.But why i play againts players that has accuracy 90+ percent all the time.I checked on guy and he has 8 battles with accuraci 95-98 percent ewery game why he was 350 elo?

[@Genesisfury]

This would all be solved with 360 cameras with officials controlling them. No need to worry about angles, or needing 5 cameras to cover every inch of a players house. Put a 360 camera on a tripod in the middle of the room and be done with this.

[@mal2ksc]

How does that stop someone outside the room from running Stockfish and telling the player at the keyboard what move is recommended?

[@hacksbykarma]

@@mal2kscmost of the stock fish moves make “AI style” plays and after a while you can pick up on certain patterns that indicate it is in fact an AI playing. For ex after analyzing 10 games the player has an average “mistake” of 0. Even though sometimes the computer counts it as a mistake or inaccuracy it is actually a good if not best move at the higher levels of chess. Over time you can tell when AI is playing a factor. This is one ex.

[@yafi2475]

- Super GM plays weird off beat opening to show disrespect to weaker younger GM. - Super GM loses the match. - Super GM: The opponent is cheating.

[@Yusuf_K7]

Carlsen Niemann was the opening of Pandora’s Box.

[@chesscomsupport8689]

Or was it Kramnik - Topalov?

[@IvanToman]

Pretty much every professional athlete is looking for the oportunity to cheat with PEDs. I don't see how chess players would not try to cheat. It is in human nature.

[@videnvi]

Kramnik wakes up real early in the morning so he has more time to be a hater 💯💯💯🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@NoArtistAvailable]

Chess players are living on borrowed time. The moment computers consistently won over humans basically ensured that one day professional play would be over. The amount of dedication to play chess professional is so intense that people can hardly pivot careers once they are not cutting it anymore. The money is still good but getting a piece of it get's progressively harder. Meanwhile cheating though technology will improve at a steady rate and be more accessible by the day.

[@joeypham4890]

i think you should put this in the serie "how to win at chess GM elo: Accuse other GMs" lolol

[@dwest9cubs]

Whats happening right now for chess is the first folks that learned to bowl a 300 being pissed that others learned to bowl a 300.

[@remybuitenhuis2433]

""Super mega interesting -kramnik" 8:15😂😂

[@GrabnarMyers]

This topic is extremely important for videogames too!! I feel like cheating in GENERAL is running rampant for all tournaments!!

[@iluxa-4000]

Lazavik plays Hikaru Kramnik: hmmm, *very* interesting

[@akashsinha2880]

I'm 2000 rapid and when i play some of my pet lines, I almost always get accused of cheating. My pet lines are Catalan, Evans Gambit, Max Lange and Grünfeld.

[@fernandoatun]

There’s more cheating in chess than CSGO

[@AngelGarcia-un7ck]

This actually goes for a lot of chess players, im 1600 and encounter players that play 2100-2350 games with 98% accuracy when I play 80% accuracy. SamuRadevv is a good example of a player who plays 90% accuracy all the time even though they’re 1600~ (among other players that somehow play like GMs at the intermediate level)

[@billmorrigan386]

Yeah, cheating is that bad. It has reached now the top level too. I don't even play online anymore. I only hope they will ramp up anticheating measures in FIDE OTB. That's because people can use micro-headphones/invisible headphones and stuff. They can easily cheat even in FIDE blitz games nowadays. Online chess is dead for me. Your specific claims about 1600 players playing at the GM level--well, I don't know. It's possible but unlikely. They do cheat a lot but most players probably would not cheat so much as to gain 1000 points above their rating. The latter is also possible, I guess. So, your claim makes sense to me. What's more I don't doubt that some will actually cheat so atrociously as to gain 1000 points and more. And nobody does anything or they attack those who try to fight against cheaters.

[@dlm7952]

Ngl Levy as a bald man would make him look like a Russian mafia

[@beast3582]

💀that was random

[@brycepeddicord6763]

From Russia with Levy 😅

[@ZeCroiSSanT950]

Nah dude Levy would become Lenin if he went bald

[@EliteSheep8786]

Levy is safe from Duolingo... for now.

[@Kangaroo-Bob]

I'd love a video series on ideas of how players can cheat online and how the chess world can prevent those methods. Video cameras above, behind, etc. What else can they do?

[@mg8224]

Magnus, Kramnik, Nepo, Fabi... titans of chess. If they are suspicious of some players cheating it must be taken seriously.

[@RolliSmokeABlunt]

Petition for Levy to rock a moustache

[@michaelblankenau6598]

He already has one . But a Hitler stash might be an interesting look .

[@n0xure]

he could hide a computer in a moustache and finally get his GM norms..

[@tomjohnson8496]

Bump

[@theauthenticwaffle651]

Nepo also was suspicious of Hikaru. Nepo seems to think anyone that has a stronger than expected performance against him is cheating.

[@jasonrawls6959]

Nepo is a coward making backhanded insinuations rather just saying it. Hes quickly joining Kramnik as the laughing stock of the chess world.

[@ChessKnezija]

Cheating is problem because cheaters only play few moments by computer.

[@bretrohde7300]

“I’ve got no interest in attempting it… maybe I should for content.” lol 😂 Thanks Levi, keep up the great work! Love your channel ❤️

[@RijaMo]

This is like MMA where everyone is probably on steroids.

[@DavidJimenez-he1tv]

Kramnik is going out in the worst way possible.

[@gamescgg6864]

Or maybe he is doing this for chess pro organisers to make the online and offline tournaments in such a way that is extremely hard to cheat as the modern chess is currently easy to cheat in.

[@manuelsanmartin8327]

Also there is the factor that many superGMs are using the same strategy as Magnus of playing goofy openings which surprised other lower rated players, and nowadays, it is so common to play goofy openings online that it is getting harder to grasp an advantage out of it.

[@milke9254]

What people don't seem to understand is players like Magnus can play certain opening vs Stockfish and remember every single move that Stockfish played against that opening.

[@KauffmanJohn]

that’s not unique to carlson, and most openings are fairly set. it’s pretty common two GMs will know how the opening will play out, and it’s almost identical to how engines would play them too. it’s the middle game where uncertainty rises, and that’s the hardest thing to check because at some point there will be a novelty.

[@milke9254]

@@KauffmanJohn read before you reply

[@daniellucas2968]

This is why "innocent until proven guilty" is an important standard. Without it, people default to guilty until proven innocent, and all trust is lost. Gonna be tough for online apps to find a way to create trust in this kind of atmosphere.

[@DarkHunter7483]

" Recently noticed that a player has gone on a 69 cheating accusation streak out which 69 has been proven false, I believe some people would find this very very interesting." 💀

[@HaHa-gt6mg]

I think that not only is there LESS cheating than being talked about, but also this conversation will create a cheating armsrace, lol

[@TrueBlueAndrew]

Wow! Kramnik is going after Naroditsky now?! he doesn’t know when to quit.

[@IsmaiSahraoui]

naroditsky is so good online yet completely absent over the board, just saying

[@dutchuncle2716]

@@IsmaiSahraoui It's easy explainable by his playing style though. He shines at blitz and bullet, where to OTB variant lacks pre-moves, which is an important part of his arsenal.

[@mitkothemacedonian]

Is this naroditsky some immaculate deity that doesn't err?

[@TrueBlueAndrew]

@@mitkothemacedonian the accusation of cheating is not to be taken lightly. That’s dragging someone’s life and reputation in the chess world through the dirt.

[@garymarks5044]

Levy undermines himself by his exaggerations such as when he says "everyone is accusing everyone." It's for dramatic effect, but that type of language puts more fuel on the fire than needed.

[@kareandersson]

Correct, and that "Kramnik is throwing 30 names to the wall" is he is showing stats. As long he is doing just that, adding no interpretation I believe it's fine.

[@tessa8230]

Is the chess world having a crisis, or do Kramnik and Nepo need a nap?

[@david5062]

People with big ego like magnus and Vladimir can't lose without crying about cheating.. it's so gross.

[@maupieman]

I think you accidentally came up with a great video idea: try to cheat without getting caught in some online chess tournaments to see how difficult it is

[@psychohist]

Tough to do this ethically.

[@ryry854]

Maybe Kramnik should be the one who is investigated?

[@anthonyi2444]

Kramnik is like that kid who keeps getting killed in Call of Duty, then whines that everyone is hacking

[@Galahad54]

Except Kramnik was world champion. He's not the kid getting killed.

[@user-dn2lm4do5q]

He still died

[@samukgarcia]

I think most precise comparison it would be the game Tarkov or CS .😅

[@beng4151]

It is getting frustrating to play online. People are cheating, but I think the bigger problem is sandbagging. Complete morons pretending to be noobs and then destroying people. You’ll play someone rated 1550 and it will be an even game, then play some idiot rated 1350 and get destroyed. It’s ridiculous. I want to play someone my level. I’m an amateur. I don’t want to play some moron who plays 100 games a day. I just want to play casually and jerks are ruining it. Quit defending them. It’s a HUGE problem.

[@alexpapa7524]

Absolutely correct about 0 repercussions when accusing someone and the accuser is wrong.

[@kadkadeameya]

That's how accusations work. If the accuser has a bonafide and/or reasonable belief that his accusations are true he shouldn't be persecuted. The alternative is no one would raise their voice against violations.

[@Lensquik]

@@kadkadeameya but not if the violation is proven. it only stops liars

[@kadkadeameya]

@@Lensquik do you mean to say that when a criminal or civil case is filed it must end in a victory for the accusing party( ie proof of accusations) or else in every case the complaining party should pay costs?

[@Lensquik]

@@kadkadeameya very likely, as if someone is telling the truth and has evidence, the court won't do unfair decisions (in an ideal world)

[@mdlouie]

@@kadkadeameya Loser pays for the other sides litigation fees in nearly every Western democracy except for the United States. It's called the English rule.

[@ManSubhu]

Minds good at chess tend to be very good at spotting patterns and discrepencies, this can lead to false positives and paranoia.

[@brainnotfound2521]

It's sad that young talents are being accused of cheating by big players potentially just because some of them can't take a loss against a "weaker" and younger opponent especially considering a potential impact on their (e.g. Jospem) career.

[@dimitrimatteo6882]

People think the highest award in chess is getting the grandmaster title but the real greatest award is getting accused by kramnik

[@thefixer742]

Great video! I've been thinking a lot about the cheating issues in online chess that you mentioned. One idea I had is for local chess clubs to set up dedicated computers for players to use when participating in online tournaments for prize money. This way, there's a controlled environment, and referees can ensure fair play. It brings back that social aspect of chess too, with players gathering at the local club. What do you think of this solution? Cheers!

[@robhill5732]

Excellent content. Also, I’m a long time subscriber, was fortunate to meet you in Vegas. Recently bought your book. Really impressed with the QR interactive concept. You are a pioneer! Congrats!

[@greuce]

As long as no one can cheat levy's stare sessions, the world will keep its balance

[@SirMethos]

I'm kinda reminded of an old danish proverb "Thief thinks every man steals".

[@gv_-06]

levy failed to add magnesium minerals in his video

[@ROBERTORRRR1]

Why I keep on laughing at this? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JK-tj6ie]

Skill issue. I cheat with an engine so good that he didnt play against me because he isnt in my elo range

[@prathamesh811]

Even if Levy cheats he still wouldn't be able to become GM

[@Necro-the-Pyro]

He's already a GM in our hearts...

[@Kelonics]

Pin of shame incoming, good job

[@The-wu6uo]

Damn..

[@mhjunky4278]

I bet he could actually, give him 1 or 2 computer move and he's GM. I genuinely believe that. Also show he's CLEAN

[@miler_2260]

10:40 It's the english word. That does not exist in spanish, so he just used an english word instead. It's pronunced the same way as in english. We do this kind of often in spanish if you know english good enough, and your listener does too.

[@mal2ksc]

Latin America Spanish, or Spain Spanish? The former is chock full of English words already.

[@konradbuchholz2085]

At this point, this is just a witch hunt. Plain and simple mass hysteria has everyone seeing spooky Stockfishes everywhere.

[@R.Akerman-oz1tf]

It's the "Honour" system. We can't cheat Ourselves.

[@jaguarj1942]

I think that using a difference in OTB vs Online elo to prove someone is cheating is silly. If you play 99% of your games online then when you do occasionally do OTB, your movement of the pieces will be awkward and your muscle memory for board vision will be off. The chess boom in the last couple of years means that people outside of chess communities are learning the game. Many of these people likely don’t own a physical chess chess board and even if they do, finding someone of a similar elo to play with in person to practice OTB becomes much harder.

[@ReconissanceMa]

Look at how prevalent gpt usage is for students who want to get ahead quickly, and don't wanna do it honestly. Now imagine how prevalent engines are in games, and engines being around for decades. They look at it as "using a tool". And ofc, they all say they could do it normally

[@xpump876]

I'd like to see some online demos of games where you're trying to cheat to show the thought process you encountered and how it feels to try to appear legit while relying on and engine to suggest moves.

[@Raye938]

"if we discover the paranoia was correct..." In this situation, if we discover that it was correct it still doesn't mean that the paranoia was justified. Broken watches being right twice a day and all that.

[@marvelsandals4228]

If Kramnik is correct about 1 in 100 accusations, so what? If you accuse enough random people you're bound to get lucky eventually. The 99 baseless accusations are still a problem and degrades his reputation

[@Raye938]

@@marvelsandals4228 I feel like you are attempting to disagree with something I wrote but I'm pretty sure I'm not saying what you think I'm saying.

[@idostuff19]

waiting for kramnik to accuse magnus next for his "suspicious out of ordinary accuracy"

[@Ayan-rh6gj]

Jospem, Bortnyk, Danya are amazing 1+0 bullet players.... You can't cheat in bullet.... Classical and speedchess are two completely different beasts

[@thetimesofmemes13]

You can cheat in bullet, I've had many players cheat against me in bullet. I do NOT accuse the players you mentioned. I'm just telling you that it's possible to cheat

[@Ayan-rh6gj]

@@thetimesofmemes13 yes you can... But you will get caught because consistent top engine moves in bullets obviously means cheating

[@thetimesofmemes13]

@@Ayan-rh6gj I thought you implied that cheating is not possible at all. I agree, people get caught if they cheat

[@vincenzofranchelli2201]

u could have a program show multiple lines of stockfish over the game live like lichess analysis board does

[@SuperEgo19]

I’ve been consistently 1900-2000 since the days of Pogo chess. I’m the last three months I’ve dropped 350+ points in rating. Every 1600-1700 I play plays almost perfectly. They preternaturally see everything. Something is going on.

[@champaprasad204]

Need more videos on old chess legends,loved that series

[@tahaalkhatib8500]

it's simple, when younger better players show up, we just accuse them of cheating, so nobody invites them to big tournaments, and we keep getting invites and we keep being the top rated and we keep earning big money. this BS needs to be stopped.

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

The way Nepo played the opening in the second game I would be surprised if he did not lose, even against me, let alone against a strong GM.

[@alexmesringer]

Seems like top players are seeing strong players outside of their little bubble and can't handle it

[@DebarthaPaul]

Not only grandmasters. I faced cheating accusations 3 days back in a daily chess tournament. It seems that people believe a person who is 300-400 ELO below them just *CANNOT* beat them fair and straight.

[@luciferblaze5306]

Bruh. I faced the accusations and the opponent was below my rating. And also we blundered atleast a bishop .

[@marcellpulay4586]

I'm around 1650 on lichess and I recently played an almost perfect Italian game (going all the way to the endgame), where my opp blundered a bishop, but I used my advantage perfectly. My average centipawn loss was like 14. If I can produce a game like that here and there sometimes, it is obvious, a GM can also do that frequently. Kramniks argument is absolutely pointless

[@DrakoLykoi]

Players need to stop posting publicly about cheating and submit privately through proper channels for investigation. It's more like these players are using accusations to justify their loss rather than taking responsibility for their own shortcomings.

[@volotat]

I would like to see more computer+human tournaments. There is no way to cheat, as you play at the most advance level possible and the level of sophistication should make it a beautiful thing to watch.

[@billjones8950]

He’s probably right. I remember playing online poker back in 2008-2010. I always suspected people of cheating. But the response I’d always get is “learn how to play” type comments. And that’s in a game where millions of dollars can be won. Chess is no different. Except there’s basically no money involved and people still cheat.

[@uduehdjztyfjrdjciv2160]

Which cheats lol? 2008-2010 where was no GTO which killed poker

[@billjones8950]

@@uduehdjztyfjrdjciv2160 poker bots. It I remember Doug Polk and a few people had that challenge against a bot. But I’m sure they were common back in the day.

[@uduehdjztyfjrdjciv2160]

@@billjones8950 how these bot worked, if there was no GTO. GTO bots appeared later and killed online poker.

[@jekyl-gaming]

psychological analysis: ego-strength is demonstrated when accusing someone of cheating - which is not to say that accusers are egotistical. It indicates they are confident and self-assured, and that type of attitude is required in order to be a grandmaster. A psychological perfect storm. Also, everyone sucks compared to Stockfish, so the supremacy of the ego has been compromised at an existential level. AI is undermining the identity of grandmasters, and the human sense of superiority in general. Perhaps we should all worship Stockfish as a god, the god of chess. Who ever is the most devout to the chess god will will their matches? 🤔

[@Zhaslan_K]

Levy never fails to cheat

[@Pixelarator]

Ngl you are right

[@noysam3570]

Comment section never fails to make "Levy never fails" comments

[@2bqc]

Me: At least get your grammar right. GothamChess: EVERYONE CHEATING AT CHESS!!!

[@ArranVid]

Cheating was already thought of as a thing when it came to the Karpov-Korchnoi yoghurt stuff, lol. Then, Kramnik was accused of cheating during the toiletgate stuff. And then, a grandmaster was caught using a smartphone chess engine to help him cheat while he hid away in the toilet during a break in the chess tournament.