Everyone Is Supporting NACS! Full Tour Of EVS36 - New Chargers & Controversial Connectors

[@daviddreyfuss2453]

Your bottomless well of knowledge is unbelievable and the fact that you can rattle off this highly informed narrative in essentially one take deserves an Emmy! Kudos also to Alyssa for hand holding a 1 hr+ shot!

[@Dactylonian]

Seriously. And then when they’re done at the conference we join Kyle in his hotel room where he continues talking for like 10 more minutes. So much information

[@zenhookah9296]

frfr no filler no hums no ums just knowledge zoomzoom

[@jdlutz1965]

Alyssa, great job of on the fly camera work as Kyle is just spit balling on this jaunt through the expo. Your camera movement quickly folllowed his commentary and made very little need for editing, major kudos!

[@rogerstarkey5390]

The Flo charger unit is a perfect design to directly replace gas pumps. 2 side access, access all ports, pull through. Also status visible from distance, which can be important.

[@brandenflasch]

What a whirlwind of a show! The timing of NACS announcements could not have been better and I’m so glad to be here at EVS36 in person

[@brandenflasch]

Oleg calling you out in the Q&A personally after the NACS CharIN announcement spoke volumes to your impact on the industry

[@Superman-xr1oh]

Where can I listen to that?

[@kruemelfelix]

Kempower is literally the only real comparable solution to Tesla superchargers. Having stalls with dynamic loadsharing instead of Units is cheaper and better for sharing. They really need to step up their production, we need more Kempower in Europe (and you in the US too!).

[@Cjdergrosse]

I like how Kyle says it’s “not going to be 2hrs long”. I had to check, because I know he likes to talk. And I’m 100% good with that, I like how he talks about every single aspect, he’s a legit journalist 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@barryw9473]

Glad Charin got on board with NACS. Full speed ahead.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Wasn't really a choice..... But, they may try to impose certain restrictions/ requirements (payment, etc)

[@barryw9473]

@@rogerstarkey5390 Tesla is the one who will be imposing payments to get Supercharger access. Not sure how Charin gets operating cash.

[@jayem8981]

@@barryw9473 If and when the NACS officially becomes a standard, Tesla won’t be dictating anything outside of their Supercharger network. As a chartered member of the standard governing body, they will have input, but the point of a standard is to remove the proprietary nature of the technology.

[@blownb310]

I just wanted to say that Alyssa does excellent video work. You go girl!

[@IBmisspeppermint]

The Flo chargers are SUPER exciting to see. Love so much about all they have done there 👏💕 Thanks Flo-great ideas! (Just keep the heat/rain/snow in mind please)

[@henryTech720]

Fli chargers are nothing next to Tesla chargers I use both and now I will only teslas

[@dglennon20]

But did you notice their monster cable was liquid cooled, and "As a result was big and heavy"? Tesla's V3 cable is 3/4 inch in diameter. Very easy to move. Two thumbs down on Flo. And that worm drive is a maintenance issue.

[@glenngore6609]

The flo units around here that Francis uses cannot charge an Ioniq 5 or EV 6 or other high-voltage EV’s. Of course they are old units that Francis has bought and installed at their locations, I figure because providers in Canada have installed new units that can charge high-voltage EV’s.

[@omidtoussi]

@@glenngore6609 Glen, this is simply not true. Do you have any examples of FLO chargers not working with an Ioniq 5? The V3 SmartDC is the same unit in Canada as the States

[@glenngore6609]

There are plenty of examples here in Oklahoma, where Francis Electric has flo chargers at most of their DCFC charging stations. My local Francis site has two flo units but they cannot charge my Ioniq 5. Some of their sites have only flo charging units while some sites have 2 or 3 different types of charging units, but only one of the 3 types that Francis uses is able to charge an 800-volt EV. I have never been able to charge my Ioniq 5 with those flo machines and I have talked with Francis techs on their help line where they confirmed to me that those units cannot charge an 800-volt vehicle. @@omidtoussi

[@FreedomToRoam86]

I think that XCharge 95 kWh unit is really exciting for rural installs. Most of the “fast chargers” I go to are 30-50 kWh, and 62.5 is a treat. Being able to do 95 kWh not far from camping areas would be awesome!

[@TecnamTwin]

Forget that. We need 250kW+ units in rural areas as the higher vehicle throughput means fewer total units are needed which reduces the cost of the network and increases customer satisfaction. Slow charging sucks unless I'm sleeping.

[@YouJamie80]

Rural and Company chargers (so folks could charge morning and afternoon - 2+ vehicles a day)

[@ChrisPaceAZ]

I absolutely love your conference walkthroughs, Kyle. This is just fantastic. Great job Alyssa as well. Plus the Branden videobomb was epic.

[@DougJessee]

So glad Flo used the cable management that made long hoses for gas & diesel pumps easy, but then improved it!

[@krkope8277]

OK, that was a sober and balanced summary at the wrap-up. One thing stood out to me: besides going NACS, all the foreign manufacturers are committed to building facilities in the US. Thanks Brandon!

[@arlenbell4376]

So many manufacturers in what is still an infant industry. It will be interesting to see which companies are still around in five years.

[@thumper1747]

Watched your test videos late last year and then that now infamous vid where you tested the charging infrastructure in freezing conditions. Since then you’ve done more than most to continue testing all charging systems and the net effect of having all these different ‘Providers’ on what needs to be an utterly reliable charging infrastructure. It makes sense that the best solution should be a) recognised as such and b) adopted if the transition to electrification is going to be completed smoothly. Huge credit to you Kyle, you’re soaking up all the technical subtleties and nuanced arguments and making sense of it. Only an independently minded person could have done that. Geoff Chown 👍

[@aliendroneservices6621]

Perfect camerawork, Alyssa.

[@godofdun]

Seriously. Keeping things steady and on target while weaving through the crowd is not easy.

[@northwesttravels7234]

What equipment does Alyssa use?

[@borama7845]

Alpitronics rocks. In 2.5 years BEV ownership in Europe I had exaxtly 0 (zero) failed charging sessions with their hyperchargers. Rock solid. ABB’s are not as reliable though.

[@LouRaX]

the worst chargers where from efacec

[@supamario3055]

Awesome. Thanks for the tour. When Kyle speaks, the industry listens.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

When Kyle speaks, the industry says "Oh No! Not him again!!"

[@PeaceChanel]

Thank You for supporting ethical Plant-based food and for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ☮ ❤

[@theredmonkey]

Glad to see this conference in Sacramento, the convention center was recently renovated to accommodate larger events so looks like it paying off. We also have a great auto museum if you have time you should go check out.

[@Raging_Red_Bulls]

Kempower ➕ S series needs to go all over the northern parts of the United States 🇺🇸

[@mj42kramer]

I have seen cable management like that Flo system before... at Costco.

[@f_1367]

Thank you so much, Kyle, for the summary of EVS36. Truly appreciated.

[@tjackele]

Thanks Kyle for also answering my question - cable change won’t totally fix any already bad third party EVSEs.

[@realteamme]

As a Canadian. Really love Flo's reliability. They have mostly 50kW chargers here so hopefully faster chargers start showing up because they are the most reliable network here.

[@henryTech720]

Flo reliability is terrible next to the Tesla chargers

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Tesla Super charges have a excellent cable management system, charge port location needs a standard.

[@petehelme7714]

I'd say that's mostly because the pre v4 cables are on the short side. Which works great for the handful of cars they were designed for.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

@@petehelme7714 Best Selling Car Worldwide In Q1: The Tesla Model Y

[@wzDH106]

Longer cables offer more flexibility in vehicle design and more importantly pull through for towing. Another KZbinr also brought up a significant handicap on rear connectors, truck beds are designed to be removed or refitted for various work needs, essentially eliminating the possibility of a rear port.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

@@wzDH106 Super chargers V3 offer 2 possible locations, no need for long dangly cables. Tow a trailer with my Y, super charger cable length is correct at a rear pull in station. The refitted trunk manufacturer can instal the charge port to function current cable length.

[@B0obJunior]

@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 Who the hell cares dude.

[@victorseal9047]

You’re right, the FLO stations are reliable. Here in Québec the popular Circuit Électrique charging system also use the FLO charging units and in 4 years I’ve never had a problem with them. 😅 😊 Also, is Canada included in the N American standard area ?? Great video.😮

[@IuseanXboxController]

The part about HYC/Alpitronics was cool, awesome to hear they are headquartering in Charlotte. I love this city.

[@mikehernandez452]

Thank you Kyle for recording this with HDR, looks so nice on my iPhone and brighter to see all the detail.

[@TheLamrith]

TY for your editorial at the end!! Everyone thinks NACS is the savior and using tesla superchargers will make it all golden. Glad you touch on closed ecosystem (tesla) being reliable and new Mfg be a new challenge, as well as one company controlling a standard is a bad idea.

[@martin3316]

I'm looking forward to seeing KemPower DC Fast Chargers installed in the US (especially the NorthEast / New England) most. That new Flo is also exciting.

[@robertboothe3405]

This guy is good! Been watching for over 30min and am still hooked.

[@wineberryred]

We do need more content on level 2 charging mainly plug and charge and public street charging in downtown areas for apartment/commuters that park on the street.

[@CafeElectric]

Excellent overview, thanks so much!

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️THANKS KYLE …FOR SHARING THIS INFO AND WE HOPE THAT THIS GOES SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE 👍🤗😎💚💚💚

[@samhklm]

Now that everyone Is supporting NACS Kyle, can you work on world peace?

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Then, the US 2 party system (but that's probably beyond saving, World Peace would be easier)

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Not everyone is supporting it lol!!!

[@Seitenwerk]

"Everyone" is just proprietary US. They should habe chosen the global standard instead of the limited/outdated NACS..

[@rosetheblackcat]

Yeah he can do it, go Kyle!

[@mukamuka0]

Such a great insight!! great job man

[@kruemelfelix]

Just a note: There are public installed HYC400 chargers from Alpitronic in the Netherlands from Fastned ;) They aren't labeled as 400kW yet, but they do deliver it and you can clearly distinguish it from the HYC300.

[@MountainManGuy]

That zoozter flywheel device is kinda neat. I'm curious as to the safety and reliability of something like that but a very neat concept.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Thanks Kyle, lots of great content, always look forward to your updates and show visits! Keep it coming!

[@K-ph1qe]

The Flo charger with their innovative cable system (ccs) seems to fix the charging problem. The cord can go out to 18 ft. and it is not labor intensive. This should be the standard (Tesla included). The move is to have a uniform standard. The more charging stations there are the faster the EV adoption. CCS, NACS, Chademo can all coexist it's only a charger - Apple / Android (no problems there).

[@petehelme7714]

yeah, their stuff seemed very impressive. and the CCS-1 handle was nice and compact.

[@MarlinMay]

Something a lot of automotive journalists (Except Kyle Connor) seem to have missed or have glossed over is that NACS is not just about the hardware. NACS covers hardware, software, communications protocols and backend processing. NACS belongs to Tesla. In my opinion, in order for the transition to NACS to successfully proceed smoothly, Tesla will have to act as a responsible standards body. NACS will have to be responsibly managed just as IEEE 802.11 or IPv6 are. Is this something a rapid iteration, "move fast & break things" type company is ready for?

[@zipp5398]

The cable management system that Flo uses is similar to that that they use when I fill up my big diesel rig not everyone has that but I seen that a lot on big truckstops. It’s a good idea I like it.

[@andrewt9204]

1. I hope a lot of these manufacturers are using reliable ambient light sensing. Some of those green/red status lights and screens are way too bright at night. 2. I also hope that whatever communication strategies Tesla is using for their vehicles will also be made open to other makers. As you said previously, some of those other handshake times are far too long. A Tesla could have already added a few % in just those handshake times! 3. I bought the Lectron CCS->Tesla adapter for $220 in that time period right after you couldn't buy the Tesla one from S.K. anymore. Have you tried that one? I've only used it a couple times on 50kW units, but it seemed to work without a hitch. Kinda wish I had waited though, especially since the Tesla unit was cheaper on release anyway...

[@Dactylonian]

Would have liked to see what Wallbox has on tap for public charging, home charging, and NACS.

[@fjalics]

I love the fast charger content, but I would love to see more content on commercial Level 2 content, both what is being done, and new options. Sometimes it's better to bring the charger to the car, than the car to the charger. Appartments, hotels, parking garages, boat launch.

[@prof.schreiber8925]

Wow, that Flo unit looks JUST like a regular gas pump.

[@johnblund700]

Seems NACS would never work in Europe since it does not support 3-phase charging which would make the charging 3 times slower at home than what is possible today. I can charge with 11 kW at home, but that would never be possible using NACS

[@stevemichael82]

For 3phase AC you can take Type2 and for DC can take NACS. CCS can be dropped worldwide.

[@quitalllester3367]

I watch this and is very very great and I am from Sacramento where the convention was

[@justinstewart3248]

How does Kyle talk, without a single break in words, for an hour. Such a talent talker lol.

[@Zyzzyx42]

What's even more fun is watching it at 1.5x speed (which I do for most videos I watch, get thru more, still get the content)

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Vaccinated with a Phonograph needle.

[@justinstewart3248]

@@Dive-Bar-Casanova lol what? Vaccinated? What does that have to do with anything?

[@Alexdiaz727]

Can I recommend you guys pick up some DJI mics for interviews. Comes with 2 mics in a charging case. Would be nice to just pull out the second mic when you are interviewing people.

[@iMaxPatten]

We use them and love em

[@wineberryred]

We do have Chademo on the left with J1772 on the right, just look at the Nissan Leaf.

[@peterwright837]

Got the Signet surge with my EV6 when I plugged in at 6% SOC. Fortunately it stabilized after a couple of minutes when I reached 10% SOC.

[@KaiPonte]

Would love to see NACS be submitted to ISO and become a standard. Similar to ISO 8802 for ethernet.

[@henryTech720]

Tesla should never give control of its NACS standard to any other org they mess it up. Turn it into as bad as ccs😢😢😢 nacs is only great because Tesla controls its design and specs, why mess it up by now giving it to some org to dictate its specs

[@jaapboere2701]

At the end Kyle understands that is not so simple as he thought. No car manufacturer want to be dependent of Tesla.

[@henryTech720]

Elon stop helping all these other carmakers, when will he learn that no good deed goes unpunished, your attitude is one example, he should just left Ford and GM and the rest go out of business wich they would if he stopped helping them

[@jaapboere2701]

Don’t think that Mr. Musk is doing this without any self-interest

[@gordonlowe5405]

The Zoozter flywheel-based system looks pretty interesting. I wonder if it could work as a home-based solution as well.

[@protovack]

so i'd never heard of flywheel energy until today, Kyle. But wow, after thinking about it for a few minutes...it really seems to be something unique and possibly revolutionary. For example, gas stations already have large underground storage tanks for gasoline. Why not just install large flywheel energy storage systems where the tanks used to be? It appears to me that the main disadvantage of the technology is size--the units are fairly large. But virtually unlimited discharge cycles. It's PERFECT for high utilization charging stations that have lots of extra space to store kinetic energy. I think vehicles will always need batteries since you can't mount a gigantic flywheel on a car. But for grid support and on-site energy storage? Maybe i'm missing something but it seems like a no-brainer. Other kinetic energy storage systems like pumped hydro are overly complex and subject to wear due to heat and/or water, and complex engineering required to raise and store weight in towers, etc. This seems to solve that problem. It can go anywhere that you can fit a box with a flywheel in it. Perfect for placing underground too. Again am i missing something. it seems like this should be way bigger than it is. It must be expensive, therefore. But I wonder, how expensive could it really be? With modern materials, magnetic bearings, they could be made to be virtually maintenance free. So what if its expensive to install, if it lasts virtually forever?

[@grantnyenes3742]

Ok, so this feels a bit like USA adopting their own TV standard or electricity standard, which was then not compatible with rest of the world? I do think it’s great that there will be one standard, but would have loved a global standard. In the Uk/Europe- ccs2 is the standard for most cars including Tesla..means I can charge my M Y everywhere…final thought- will the Tesla standard work well with 800v or higher voltage cars?

[@keitha.1888]

Come to Montréal Canada. Level 2 Street charging stations everywhere.

[@danieloool2044]

You have big voice to tell everyone what is ok and what isn't

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

Zoozter-100 installed in SC off I-77! It is at a Scotchman Travel Plaza on I-77

[@1HotLegendLS]

Interesting seeing the e-Cascadia. Glad to see it's a day cab. I'm a huge advocate of EVs, but I feel we are way off on battery and charging technology for OTR trucks to be EV. But I definitely feel local trucks would be good as EV

[@carsonassociates3263]

27:04 Hey Kyle- we F150 Lightning owners appreciate 180kW/500A dispensers, like the new BTC Power All-In-One (why? low pack voltage means 150kW/350A are not capable of supplying max requested charge rate from vehicle)

[@melissamybubbles6139]

Im glad to know that BTC fixed the issue with the chargers breaking down in cold weather.

[@spazzman90]

25 kW DC... Fascinating. I've never seen one, but that would be ideal for apartments. Would charge most cars in 2.5-3 hours without being nearly as rough on the battery as a full rate DC charger. More importantly, I hope the cost for the unit would be substantially cheaper than a 100 or 150 kW charger.

[@andrewt9204]

Also good for places like shopping malls, hospital ramps, and movie theaters where time spent parked can be 2-4 hours. But also think those are more urban locations where you're not travelling far and AC charging speeds will suffice. I think the local circuit capacity would be better utilized by making two 11kW AC chargers for mass parking locations. Would be a lot cheaper for location owners too. I suppose if the 25kW DC charger had load sharing for 2 simultaneous adjacent spots that wouldn't be so bad.

[@chengcao418]

Speaking of EGMP with magic dock, it's not a problem with magic dock itself, it's something incompatible between Tesla's CCS implementation and EGMP. You can check out Europe where iirc EGMP won't charge on V2 or V3 (one of them or both...), while both being fully CCS-2

[@rp9674]

Dropping ccs and j1772, throws early ish adopters and people who can't or don't want to afford $40K+ under the electric bus, will send the early eat these to scrap earlier. Contrary to the buzz, ccs and j1772 work fine.

[@TheRealMartin]

You can always use an adapter, its honestly no big deal.

[@rp9674]

@@TheRealMartin let them use an adapter

[@chriso5774]

To be clear, CharIN is an industry interest group, it is NOT an ANSI recognized SDO (Standards Development Organization) like SAE or IEEE. It would be most expedient to have NACS accepted by a SAE committee, most likely J1772. Note the Tesla connector was submitted to J1772 a decade ago, but was rejected by the legacy auto guys. Presumably those committee members will be given new marching orders now, so it should move through quickly.

[@henryTech720]

Tesla should never give control of its NACS standard to any other org they mess it up. Turn it into as bad as ccs😢😢😢 nacs is only great because Tesla controls its design and specs, why mess it up by now giving it to some org to dictate its specs

[@mousepad3000]

It's hilarious that the CHARIN CCS1 connector is the same size as the megawatt MCS connector. Should tell you pretty much all you need to know about why everyone who's used both prefers Tesla's NACS over CCS.

[@GregV8]

that Zoozter idea is almost too bizarre, but in a good way. We’ll see if the market has appetite. The main risk I see is durability, i.e. wear and tear caused by weather, etc.

[@jtkrpm1]

Blink is my go to for public charging. Need a NASC version of their home chargers

[@geraldorigo8854]

Is it CCS1 as a standard that is unreliable or simply just the networks? I've used EA, Chargepoint and EVgo and all have their quirks. Other than the cable being heavy I highly doubt the look of the cable would deter people to not use the network. That is all I've heard, Tesla plugs look better, it isn't bulky and it works! Definitely not the reason to kill a standard that support V2X capabilities, fast charging speeds, cable cooling, etc. Time will tell :).

[@prwashin1]

The only problem I’ve had with CCS is non 800v vehicles slow charging and blocking up chargers. How about leave luxury brands on CCS and put mass market brands on NACS.

[@ArtiePenguin1]

Great event tour Kyle & team! *I think CCS is far from dead but CHAdeMO is now for sure dead in the US.* Future DC fast chargers will come with CCS & NACS connectors instead of CCS & CHAdeMO (or dual CCS). As fast as you would like everyone to transition to NACS, it isn't going to happen faster than 2-5 years. 2025 is still 2 years away and that's the soonest we'd have EVs with NACS from GM and Ford. Charging stations with NACS are not coming until next year. I think most station installs will opt to go with two connector types so nearly all old, current, and future North American EVs can charge without an adapter.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

I wouldn’t be so sure the leaf was the best selling car up until 2020 and I have a 2012 and I see new models all the time. They have 100 kw in my city. Lots of dual units. Also ev go just installed 4 delta locations with ccs/chademo and Tesla . There is no possible adapter for chademo to ccs. Tesla used chademo adapter on the model s . People are to quick to condemn a standard that is still needed. Just use the supercharger and leave the non Tesla for us. All I here is how good it is. If that is true no need for chargepoint Evgo or ea to add Tesla connector . They have 17000 to use . Ea can take care of its own cars along with Audi and non ford or gm since all people do is complain about them they don’t need to use it. Adding a connector won’t help the charger work better.

[@ArtiePenguin1]

@@markfitzpatrick6692 The main issue with the Leaf (other than its terrible air cooled battery) is lack of range. You don't see many Leafs road tripping. Therefore, there's not as great a need for CHAdeMO fast chargers. Nonetheless, there are far more CCS vehicles on the road than CHAdeMO and yet CHAdeMO has mostly stuck around. CCS will stick around for at least 5 years. Like I said, most chargers will come with CCS & NACS ports.

[@wineberryred]

Given that the current Tesla Supercharger operate at up to 400 volts (maybe 500 volts), what does that mean for vehicles that have high voltage (800 volt) architectures? The big draw of opening up the Supercharger network is improved charging for other vehicles but will that really be the case for high voltage vehicles?

[@TonyDiTaranto]

Lovin the HDR! ✨

[@zeph_os]

I find the flywheel charging setup quite curious. I've known about older bus designs using flywheels as mechanical batteries, and I think the idea of boosting grid power using stored energy without worrying about chemical degradation is quite promising I decided to use my curriculum as a mechanical engineer to see *just* how viable an idea like this is. Assuming the flywheel is about .4 meters across and a constant 100 kW draw, the entire setup would last *about* an hour and 15 minutes taking all 8 flywheels from 17,000 rpm to 0 (This is excluding any losses, but assuming about 65% efficiency from storage to delivery [standard for EV power delivery], it's about 50 minutes, which does track for what their engineer said [assuming these YT subtitles are correct]). I can see a setup like this working wonders for areas that maybe don't see a lot of EV usage, but for areas that are densely populated with EVs, a grid upgrade would probably be better for reliable performance. Still a great concept in theory!

[@Golf_Cart_Customization]

Xcharge guy was probably my favorite

[@francisbeaulieu9591]

Kyle, I understand why you are getting exited about NACS. But the reality, it’s never been about NACS vs CCS. It’s about good charging network operator VS bad ones. Going NACS won’t solved that. In Quebec we have Flo/Circuit Electric operating in extreme winter conditions and the network has been really good. Frankly, Ford/GM decision will create uncertainty and more confusion that was almost behind us.

[@kylerobinson7572]

Thank you for the long informative video. :-)

[@robgrt]

Great show.....The Zoozter flywheel thingymabob was really interesting. They also had a great animation to explain everything.... Go Israel!

[@Dean-xj9ww]

22:07 Woman at the desk looking at you like “I can hear you!”😂 Seriously though. Thank you for being honest and not holding back.

[@NessaFritz]

If the issue is EVSE reliability and ease of use - which is a software (& experience) aspect, how does changing connector solve this problem ?

[@branno9596]

It doesn't. There is nothing special about the proprietary Tesla connector that fixes any charging infrastructure issues we see here in the US. The only benefit is getting access to the Tesla Supercharger network.

[@ArtiePenguin1]

It doesn't solve that at all. It just quiets down the vocal minority who complained about the CCS connector's size and unwieldyness. Most of that is actually due to individual suppliers' designs and not the standard itself.

[@mev202]

The zoot upscaling device at the end had so many moving parts, all good in average weather, but in minus temperatures and snow.. those parts will have issues. But good luck to them.

[@harunrachman3143]

I think that the NACS adapter and system needs to become part of the ISO group of standards. It should define the minimum standards for how things works when it comes to charging of EVs. Manufacturers will then have to meet these standards and of course can exceed them. All manufacturers should be part of the ISO committee (together with the researchers/engineers/educators) to maintain and expand the standards as required. If EGMP cannot meet these standards, then EGMP must change to meet them.

[@michaeljordan7154]

I realize there are issues with differing electrical systems, but what is going to happen to allow transmigration of autos from Continent to Continent? With gas and Diesel it is easy to bring your vehicles around, especially when safety is a concern. (world leaders, military). Differing international standards will make it tougher.

[@michaelmlt]

Finally, a balanced perspective about interoperability. Independent standards organization and not controlled and monopolized by one profiting company that can kick out a vehicle just because there's a childish personal beef with a CEO. You can't just leave CCS vehicle owners out of the loop. Remember Tesla can't take advantage of funding unless they make their Superchargers accessible to CCS vehicles.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Give Ford and GM about 1 month to sort that out.

[@michaelmlt]

@@rogerstarkey5390 I'm hoping they have the ability to demonopolize the charging network. Also, Tesla needs to promote CCS vehicle adaptor development. Someone is going to get my money but who?

[@FoamyDave]

Adopting the NACS connector is a great step forward especially if Tesla's philosophy of shorter cables with fast replacement going to consistent locations on the vehicle is followed. I'm not sure ISO 15118-2 is the right protocol or, perhaps, not ready yet. There is interpretation of the standard that allows for incompatibility. On top of that are the many implementations on the charger side and on the vehicle side creating more opportunites for faults, deadlocks and maybe even livelocks. To date, we know through experience, that whatever qualification testing has occured is not enough. Pleanty of cars and chargers are not giving the user a consistently good experience. This part has to be the industry's top priority. An absolute and tighly regulated testing protocol by the standards body and a manic willingness by the manufacturers (cars and chargers) to get it right. Perhaps a watchdog group something like IIHS tests and rates cars and chargers outside of industry qualification and makes these public.

[@Kangenpower7]

Lots of great information! I wonder if VW goes to the NACS plug, will they start to change their un-reliable charge cords on the EA charger to NACS cords? Maybe have 1/2 of the cords with the old style J and 1/2 of the NACS. I wonder for very high power to charge 750 KW + battery packs, they might consider using a high voltage AC charge cord, for reduced amperage, and maybe charge at 3,000 volts AC and only need to have 150 amps for 750 KW. Then have the AC to DC converter built into the truck or bus. So the huge wires from the charger DC converter to battery can be very short, and not overheat while charging. With 400 volts, and 400 KW, it is 1,000 amps. 500 amps at 800 VDC. With AC. you can have three wires to carry the power, so you take the 3,000 volts X 1.73 = 5,190 watts per amp. They could also supply power to 2 or 3 chargers - so if the truck or bus has three battery packs, it can locate one charger at the entrance of each battery, for less battery power cord length. In a bus, with three battery packs, it might have three chargers with 250 amp output on each charger to each 300 KW battery.

[@bradfordjhart]

Genius! Now if we could get betamax and HD DVD players back. We can finally make some progress in the tech world. Congratulations general motors in Ford. You've chosen the slower outdated connection for a prettier cable

[@kylequest]

What's Kyle's investment portfolio or profit motive behind pushing Tesla's network? It's always boils down to follow the money people, follow the money.

[@TXCraig]

Is the NACS open source? Does it require any license free or paid from Tesla? Does it require their approval?

[@henryTech720]

What are you a bureaucrat 😂😂 Tesla should never open the standard, they make Superior products why should they give away the bank, plus the more good Elon does , equals no good deed goes unpunished

[@iAmInsaine22]

I’d love to see Kyle dive into Blink’s multi family solutions! They are rolling out mini networks of 20+ chargers as a package deal super interesting tech!

[@tjs114]

Eaton, like Schneider, is just big in electrical supplies period. Just about every homeowner likely has a few Eaton breakers in their house panel which might also made by Eaton.

[@MarlinMay]

Earlier this year Schneider and SolarEdge announced L2 home EVSE that is an integrated into their Solar + Storage, grid buyback capable systems. Everything in their systems talks to and coordinates with everything else. Both of their systems use CCS and can be operated grid-tied or not. When Kyle stopped by the Schneider booth, did he ask them about NACS and their Schneider Home system?

[@keithv3767]

The flow cable management is similar to how COSTCO manages their hoses at their stations.

[@MasterChief37]

Have you seen how thick the cables are on the new V4 superchargers? Thicker than a babies arm, conversely the cables on CCS chargers for 800v vehicles are super thin. This kinda dumps on your NACs is better with lighter cables advantage.

[@matthewwiemken7293]

That flo station reminds me of how Costco gas hoses work:)

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Designed to replace those gas dispensers !?! 🤔

[@randyshanofsky9903]

Great and interesting content per usual Kyle and Alyssa. Why not go to South Korea? Perhaps you could schedule your China visit at the same time.

[@geoffreytacher3264]

ZOOZTER!!!! This tech has been around, but it is still pretty neat.

[@IrenESorius]

You are a great team,, 👍‍‍⭐⭐👍‍‍