Everyone is Trying to Copy the X-Mid Pro 2 Tent… WHY?

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[@JustinOutdoors]

PackWizard Tent Comparison: geni.us/xmid-duplex-dipole Zpacks Duplex Zip: geni.us/DuplexZip Zpacks Offset Duo: geni.us/ZpacksOffsetDuo X-Mid Pro 2: geni.us/XmidPro2 Tarptent Dipole 2 Li: geni.us/Dipole2Li

[@hamiltonharper]

Justin, how about a review of ultralight rain jackets? EE and the Timmermade jackets have been sold out for a year, and I hear the Helium isn't that waterproof. So what's good under 8 ounces?

[@kirkrozelle1900]

Love my Di-Pole 1 Li and it's huge for 1 person. The Di-Pole Li 2 can handle two 25 inch pads. Not sure I'd say Tarptent Di-Pole Li copied Durston X-Mid. It came out before the X-Mid 1 Pro. Also, I believe Tarptent has had the magnetic door fastener mechanism for a long time. Others are now starting to offer it.

[@sk-wx1cf]

all the tents he mentioned were out before the X-mid. and yes, tarptent has been using the magnetic closures for a while.

[@bavarian11788]

I personally feel like tarptent has been coming up with new features and designs for years. They have several different tent designs have been using dyneema for awhile. The stratospire 2p has been out a long time. Sierra designs made a tent very similar to the x-mid over 10 years ago.

[@ThomasKinzer]

This. Exactly.

[@JustinOutdoors]

You're right, Tarptent has been putting out some cool designs and has experimented with a lot of features. I think where the X-Mid series is different is that its design and features resonate with a lot of backpackers out there - to the point where it's disrupting the market a bit. I don't want to take anything away from what Tarptent has done with tent design, but I don't think they have been as disruptive and haven't pushed other companies as much as the X-Mid has.

[@SigfridSWE]

Well... yes but Tarptent always misses the mark a bit. Have two tarptents and they don't evrn come close to my Durstone.

[@ThomasKinzer]

@@SigfridSWE That's a fair statement.

[@jsleeve1]

I was gonna say a similar thing. Feels like tarpent has kinda set the standard. Other have improved on those designs but I’m thankful tarptent has been in the game so long

[@gman963]

I got the X-mid 2 and love it. It's a bit of a squeeze, but it will accommodate two 25 inch pads. It only weighs about 12-13 ounces more than the Pro version, so it's a good way to save a bunch of money if you're not concerned with saving every ounce you can. Plus it's double walled, so you can potentially leave the rain fly at home or split up the tent between two people for carrying. The quality of the stitching, clips, etc. is outstanding. It stands a lot sturdier than I expected and requires minimal staking. This should be the industry standard.

[@FretchGaming]

the standard xmid also seems to be more durable and it has a special inner for windy conditions available. I definitely plan on getting it next year ;)

[@MrKuken911]

Agree, best tent I own and it does accommodate 2 25" pads!

[@rastafella420]

Do you use it as one person tent, two person tent or both?

[@gman963]

@@rastafella420 I've used it as both. It's super roomy as a one person and a bit of a squeeze as a two person. But there's lots of vestibule room on each side.

[@TheNewGreenIsBlue]

@@gman963 Would you say it's more or less room than comparable 2P tents? How's this compare to the MSR Hubba Hubba or Nemo Dagger?

[@0045dmoore]

Thank you for the review! I am on the fence about the X-MID Pro 2+ or the Zpack's DupleXL Zip. What I would like to know is, comparatively which tent is less transparent? Thank you.

[@adamleonards8741]

Hi @Justinoutdoors, I see that the xMid Pro is now available with a Dyneema floor. Would you recommend the nylon floor or the dyneema version? And would you recommend a ground sheet with either of those?

[@SigfridSWE]

Im almost at the Washington boarder going NOBO on the PCT this year. I have this tent and its been so good. Awesome in the snow in the Sierra this year aswell. (Sierra took 6 weeks on snow to complete this year). Its extremly popular this year on trail and after 2000 miles with this tent thru a lot of different terrain I stand by it, it Awesome. Best tent I ever had! (I have 3 Hilleberg as a swede and 3 other tents like the Tarp tent Li Notch)

[@durstongear]

Glad to hear it!

[@ShastaBubba]

Appreciate your perspective and time making this video! Just scored a used 2 pro, so excited to try it myself.

[@zacmagers]

Great Video Justin! When I reviewed this tent In April, my number one wish was Dan adding two more inches to the floor width. Maybe not so much so you could fit heavier rectangular 25" pads ( still a plus for some ) but at the very least so you don't have to stagger tapered wide pads and you don't risk any stresses to the floor and tent body mating seams or bottom zipper. Im so happy to hear Dan is considering this and I cant wait to see what is on the Plus model. This is looking like the Iphone model naming scheme of tents... Will there be a X Mid Pro 2 Plus Max.. ? JK but awesome to see Dan innovating. Now to keep the tents in stock...Dan is doing a great job disrupting the tend industry, the demand is here for now, and maybe some more risk should be taken on larger batches in his supply chain. Awesome vid, cheers

[@ar110sp]

it isnt Serria Design //High Route// released years ahead with the diagonal design? i have one way before X-Mid is released..

[@durstongear]

The High Route has offset poles (diagonal ridgeline) but it doesn't have the double diagonal design of the X-Mid where the floor is diagonal as well. The X-Mid widens the fly so it can rotate the floor and create vestibules inside the rectangular base. It also moves the poles and peaks inwards, so the sidewalls aren't flat and guylines aren't required.

[@TheNewGreenIsBlue]

Thanks so much for this review, Justin. Just found your channel. What's the best to get this in BC? Cross the border and drive it back? I was considering going with the NEMO Dagger or MSR Hubba Hubba... and I've never seen any comparisons between those styles and these. How does this compare to these for two people?

[@kiezel87]

Solid review! Going to buy the plus version to tackle the CDT this year with my gf. 🙂

[@A11enQ]

Recently I saw a video in which you panned the Zenbivy Light Bed system, but I can't find it now. Can you point me to it? I saw it in between ordering the system and receiving it. Thanks!

[@behind-the-gear]

Got the x mid 2 instead just because the price but a pro 2 plus is intriguing! I use pack wizard and it’s a great tool for gear organization 👍

[@semo7566]

Love my 1 pro but totally agree on your set up comments - its easy to set up on flat ground but tough to set up perfectly on uneven ground. I replaced for longer guylines but extending them in anticipation of rain isnt an option due to backsplash

[@NordenzurZukunft]

I have both the 1p Pro and the 2p Pro. I'm leaning towards just keeping the 1p because I like being able to fit in a tighter space, especially when I'm up on a mountain here in Alaska. As Durston said, the 1p is roomy for a 1, and the 2p is tight for a 2. I just feel like the 2p is overkill for me.

[@bjornotter4298]

Thanks for a good explanation of how this tent works in real life.

[@arthurvino]

Xmid 2+ pro coming in October with 50+ inches of width.

[@malenve6vid]

I recently got the X Mid Pro 1 and really like it so far.

[@ifell3]

Really good review of a lovely design!

[@Direct19681]

I have the Zpacks Triplex zip. Awesome tent! But quite expensive as you know.

[@mikekraut7643]

I hope Dan makes a tent with all the features of the pro tents, but with a SilPoly fly

[@chriser9737]

Excellent tent, superb quality, light and vet good touches like magnetic closures. Easy to pitch... very pleased I bought it and even stands up to harsh british weather!

[@uramag7]

what is the best 4 season tent for 2 or 3 people? i go to alaska each summer and sleep in a tent for several weeks .. i've been using a kuiu storm star 2p the last couple years is there a better option ?

[@JustinOutdoors]

I like pyramid tents

[@cinnaman85]

Justin - I see you have the new Nemo Tensor Extreme Conditions pad. When can we see a review? Or even some initial thoughts?? I'm keen to know your opinion.

[@hoser7706]

Other than weight, how do you find the regular X mid 2 compared to the Pro? Pros or cons?

[@JustinOutdoors]

Classic differences between single walled and double walled shelters and dcf vs poly.

[@clairemargaretcooper5230]

What’s the difference between the Woven and Dyneema version?

[@cxsey8587]

Is that the new Nemo pad? The 8.5r? How does it feel comfort wise?

[@Innovade]

Durston makes the best tents on the market

[@stevewilliams9753]

What are your current thoughts on the Tensor Extreme? And will you be putting a video out before they get released?

[@JustinOutdoors]

I will be putting a video out around release :)

[@laurencecook7652]

Interesting point about the pad width. Why on earth don't they make it just 2+ inches wider to simply fit 2x wide pads

[@natea1042]

Imo its because he was specifically after the Duplex market and that tent is very popular amongst solo hikers. This also meant he had to shave every last gram to get as close to the Duplex weight as possible.

[@MrGusOrlando]

It’s good to see some competition in the market to drive change. The X-Mid Pro 2 is a cool tent! The dealbreaker is not being able to fit two 25in wide pads and still calling it a 2P. Is the X-Mid 2 the tent of preference still when you’re backpacking with Steph?

[@lakorai2]

Dan is releasing a new version of the 2p in the fall that supports two 25" wide pads

[@JustinOutdoors]

The 2 Pro can fit 2 wide pads, they just have to be tapered and then staggered. The regular X-Mid 2 is Steph and my go-to for that reason (until the Pro 2+ comes out).

[@MrGusOrlando]

@@JustinOutdoors I just got the X-Mid 2 based on your recommendation video on your gear channel. My wife and I am taking it out at the end of September. Excited to see how I like it! The pro + is probably going to be out of my price range so I’ll be happy with the regular haha

[@skids62]

Just out of curiosity. Which came first, this or the Sierra Designs High Route?

[@tomnoyb8301]

@skids62 - Sierra-Designs always seems to start with good ideas, but then either abandons them or fails to refine them sufficiently. And while the two look similar at first-glance with offset sleeping-angle, they really aren't in the same league. Owners of Durston are happy to own the best-in-class, rugged, lightweight performer, while Sierra-Designs owners have a heavy, clunky prototype tent. It was the same with Cagoule rain-jacket/poncho. Revolutionary design, made heavy and clunky. Then before designer's could iterate and perfect Cagoule, SD dropped it altogether.

[@jjhikespa3600]

Sierra Designs High Route designed by Andrew Skurka was the first trekking pole tent that I saw on KZbin with the off set pole design. I have waited to see if they would release a version two but since they have been acquired by Exxel Outdoors that doesn’t seem likely. And that is a shame since Sierra Designs was releasing some really interesting and innovative gear.

[@natea1042]

High Route was introduced around 2015. Xmid 2018.

[@zdzislawaprzyborska5653]

I wish they'd make it for 3 people... there is a niche out there!

[@Direct19681]

I agree. That’s why I went with the Zpacks triplex zip.

[@bram2254]

It’s coming i heard in a couple of months

[@wisenber]

The one thing Zpacks has going for it aside from the tent is company size. While both are cottage sized, Zpacks is big enough to have inventory in stock and staff for repairs. Long trail hikers want to know they can get a replacement shipped in the next town not next year's batch. Durstin is at that awkward phase of growth that requires gambling a bigger chunk of change on their future or deciding that they're content with the size they are. You have to be pretty confident in your trajectory to increase staff and facilities, and you're making a big commitment.

[@tarafrey-durston2606]

While we are a small team, we are certainly still managing to ship replacement tents, or better yet, repair a lot of damaged tents from long trails. We are not making customers wait for our next batch of tents, as we have kept replacement tents behind in the event that they are needed.

[@wisenber]

@@tarafrey-durston2606 That's really good to hear. Your designs and constitution really stand out. Glad you've managed to get the finances to make that leap.

[@natea1042]

I dont like the word "copy". More of an evolution as the Xmid borrows heavily from other designs like the Sierra Designs Hight Route (2015/16) and the Tarptent Stratospire (2011). As someone else said its also not fair to compare prices of an all DCF tent with the Xmid Pros since only the fly is DCF. In the case of the Dipole 2 the inner is also substantially larger (width 50-58").

[@Pisunisse]

Cost savings of not having DCF floor are used in hot bonding of the seams which is more expensive to produce. Personally I like the smaller pack size vs DCF floor.

[@natea1042]

@@Pisunisse You can parrot any talking point of Dans if it makes you feel better. At the end of the day Dan will still tell you the expected life of his DCF tent is only a thru to a thru and a half which is the same as any stitched and taped DCF tent. What fails is generally not the seams but the material itself. As far as packability, if I remove the struts from the stuff sack my Dipole 2 packs down to the same as an Xmid standard. DCF floors pack larger but not by a lot. This isnt a problem unless you're trying to squeeze into small packs. At the end of the day he saved a fair bit of material cost by using 15d nylon instead of 1oz DCF but the tent cost 85-90% as much as the competition and you get a weak floor that eventually saturates in wet environments if you dont have the luxury of good site selection. You also dont slide down DCF floors near to the extent as the sil coated nylon/poly ones.

[@Pisunisse]

@@natea1042 Okay, you do you. I have no ill will towards any tent producer or need to be tad bit toxic like you are being right now. Pro packs down smaller than standard version so I don't know why you are talking about those. Personally I do appreciate the small packing size as I can fit Pro 2 horizontally both in my main pack of 40L but also in my 25L running pack. Less space my gear takes = longer trips I can do with one food carry. Btw it certainly is fair to compare prices of tents that are considered to be in same category. If you require DCF floor then you simple take X-Mid out of your personal comparison.

[@slipperysalmon13]

​@Pisunisse , doesn't seem toxic to me. X-mid is a truly great all round tent design but it's true that is an evolution or distillation of the TT Stratospire and SD High Route. If I was Henry Shires of Tarptent, I'd be a little annoyed with the use of the word copy given his use of magnetic closures and offset pole design way in advance of the x-mid although the release of the dipole is certainly a response to the popularity of the x-mid with its 4 stake minimum pitch.

[@hlchen9497]

Yea its strange this guy is saying Tarptent is copying the X-mid when Tarptent using DCF hot bonded with magnetic toggles since before the X-mid.

[@SummitSeeker546]

I’ve been following the rise of Durston tents and I’m happy for Dan. His tent is light weight, relatively affordable, and relatively easy to setup. I hope he’s hugely successful! I’ve been looking at his tents for some time. I really wanted a trekking pole tent to shave some oz/lbs and was quick and easy to setup in inclement weather. The kind of backpacking I do requires a tent with a much smaller footprint. The Xmid has a humongous footprint IMO. I’ve seen many through-hikers comment on the difficulties in getting a good pitch especially on uneven terrain. Could that be user error or product design issues? Not sure. I’ve got an older Marmot Tungsten UL 1p freestanding, double walled tent that is bomb proof and has a much smaller footprint that fits anywhere. The only drawback is that it’s a pound or so heavier than a single walled tent. Due to some extreme routes where weight matters I have purchased a single walled, trekking pole type tent. I love the weight but it has drawbacks. The worst being condensation issues and still the footprint is large compared to my Marmot. Choosing the right tent is very personal based on a whole slew of preferences. That is why I own 3 tents. My go to is the Marmot Tungsten. For saving weight it’s the Plex Solo and for space to share with a mate it’s the REI QuarterDome 3p. Happy trails…

[@Case16710]

Yes, the size of the tent is an issue. I have a non-pro 2P and we hike with friends in the mountains, so there’s often not enough space to get a good pitch with such a big tent. However, I have found that it’ll still stand (even with a little wind and rain) if I can’t get all the corners taut. I’ve had some pretty ugly pitches that stilled worked out okay.

[@JustinOutdoors]

Roomy tents with good vestibules are going to have a footprint. People will have to decide if they rather a small tent with a small footprint or a roomy tent with a bigger footprint (until we're able to modify the laws of physics).

[@durstongear]

The X-Mid 2 is a larger tent/larger footprint, but I did make it smaller for the second gen that was launched last year, so about 10% was trimmed off the footprint. It is still a larger tent since it's more spacious, but it's still one of the most popular tents on the AT and PCT so I think it generally fits fine into sites. Occasionally there could be a time when you have to hunt around more, but the upside is that you get more space every night.

[@sheltermonkey6065]

Double wall tents do exhibit less condensation as the temperature differential across the outer layer is less.

[@Mike___Kilo]

Advice? Thinking of selling my Pro 2P. It's been great, but I'm kind of gravitating back to the versatility of my Durston non-Pro 2P.

[@JustinOutdoors]

As a mostly solo hiker, I really like the Pro. But if I was sharing the tent with someone else a lot, I'd probably gravitate towards the regular X-Mid (or wait for the 2+).

[@jamesking4225]

We need an Xmid pro one plus . A size halfway between the one and the two would be peachy.

[@petersherman2552]

The current pro 2 is in fact 44 inches wide. Even the length of the diagonal is only 46 inches. Perhaps the first release version of the Pro 2 was wider. But mine is 44". How do I know this? I measured it before replacing the Nylon floor in my pro 2 with 1oz/sqrd DCF. Compared to Nylon; DCF is dryer, quieter under your inflatable mat, slightly lighter and after many years I've had no wear problems with the duplex 1oz/sqrd floor. And I've never used a groundsheet with it. But I was using a groundsheet with the Nylon floor. 15denier 1.3oz/sqrd Nylon is stretchy thin! You might gather that I don't much like Nylon for tents. Something to speculate about is knowing that the width of a roll of 1oz sqrd DCF is 54 inches. The sides of the DD pro are 5" tall. The Pro 2 is 44" wide. That's no coincidence. We may yet see a DCF floor pro from the factory. Mind you, DCF is about twice as expensive as high quality Nylon so it would cost a little more. A useful trick is that the pro is much easier to set up with longer guys. Platforms, rocky ground. My corner guy cords are about a yard long. 1.3mm spectra. This also lets you set your poles to anything from 210 to 227cm.

[@JoshSweet]

Double wall also gives security against insects while allowing for better venting, so it actually does reduce condensation….

[@jamesbramlett5407]

Idea - (Gonna pitch to Dan as well) Use the internal u-shaped frame from my Kakwa44 as a Brow Pole in the XMid 1P Pro...would give some more head height and shoulder room. :)

[@jamesbramlett5407]

He actually replied to my email :) (stay tuned)

[@andymillis6716]

Love to see a wider floor to fit 2 pads better

[@ropersix]

On the price, keep in mind that the Nemo Dagger 2P now costs $530, and BA Copper Spur is $550, and they're not Dyneema. So an extra $150 or so for Dyneema X-Mid doesn't seem all that bad.

[@derekhand7904]

The poly x-mid2 can fit 2 25inch pads

[@derekhand7904]

What about the x-mid?

[@lilianm7151]

How about @durstongear just increases the foot print of the Xmid Pro 1 to 40x90 and Xmid Pro 2 to 55x90 to make both tents to what they should be. Xmid Pro 1 I am not interested in bc/ I am using a 25x78 pad and Xmid Pro 2 for the same reason is just too big for 1 person but too small for 2 people.

[@EarlyRiser71]

Good video bro! I'm glad competition is driving evolution. However, calling the pro a DCF tent is not accurate. It's about 60% DCF yet costs almost as much as a 100% DCF tent from Zpacks. Using a sil nylon floor is a nope for me. I think I understand why he did it, but why would I buy a premium tent with a basic floor. I would use a Big Agnes if I wanted sil nylon or sil poly. Dan has invented some great mods and is a great asset to the community. But that floor...🤮

[@garrettsaunders6544]

I think for a 1.7oz difference the xmid is worth it, especially with how the zpacks tents have doors that just flop down on the ground or into your tent.

[@NordenzurZukunft]

The floor material was a deliberate design choice as sil-nylon is more puncture and abrasion resistant than DCF. It’s also more packable. I don't bother with a footprint most of the time.

[@EarlyRiser71]

@NordenzurZukunft I've used DCF tents for thousands of miles with no punctures. Also, there is no water absorption/leakage when that river flows under the tent. No way I want sil nylon under me.

[@EarlyRiser71]

@@garrettsaunders6544 Zpacks has fixed all those items. That's why competition is good.

[@tomnoyb8301]

Having had both, not sure DCF-floor is better. Durston is such a leap in design, it's hard to look back at Zpacks and Tarptent. Sure DCF-floor may be ever so slightly lighter, but DCF isn't all unicorns and rainbows. Was particularly annoyed with DCF-floor(s) catching every slight-breeze. How much of that was material vs design? Difficult to say. Have found Mr Durston's design choices impeccable and unassailable. Having backpacked since the early 1960's, it's an honor to be living through Mr Durston's design revolution.

[@musingwithreba9667]

I've been following a few theu-hijers on the AT and the PCT this year, and there are A LOT of X-Mids of both fabrics out there! Mostly the DCF Pro version, but there are a few sil-poly as well. It really is edging out the Zpacks tents. I have had an Og 1p for a whike now,and just bought a 2P sil-poly this year because I got a dog. The 1p was just too claustrophobic for me, and then add the dog it just didnt work for me. So I got the 2p, and will finally get to use it this week! 😂 Not backcountry, but I'll be the coolest in the campground 😉

[@texmexia49]

The sincerest rest form of flattery.

[@allenhansen7783]

Justin, how about a video on how to use Pack Wizard?

[@JustinOutdoors]

Working on it!

[@Yoitsseb]

Cause it's the best. And it's developed by a guy who has thousands of miles under his feet and knows the intracies between what's necessary and what's fluff.

[@gcruishank9663]

Wish they'd make a slightly bigger, hot tent version of this for winter camping! 🥰

[@JeremyLawrence-imajez]

They do. X-Mid 2p Solid

[@gcruishank9663]

Hot tent means a stove jack. Not seeing one on that tent. @@JeremyLawrence-imajez

[@JeremyLawrence-imajez]

Ah gotcha@@gcruishank9663. Not seen that term used before. Then again not many folk use stove jack in circles I move in.

[@andtothewestamerica]

You deserve more followers

[@josephdragan7734]

great tent from Canada it's aboot time

[@stevendenman9744]

I have the 1P pro, and it's more than enough for 1 person. The length leaves enough room for your gear by your feet.

[@michael83479]

How tall are you? I'm 6'1 and in an altaplex it's really difficult to not hit the wall with either my feet or head. As much as I care about weight I will gladly carry several more ounces to not hit the tent walls.

[@stevendenman9744]

@@michael83479 I'm 6 feet

[@durstongear]

@@michael83479 The X-Mid Pro 1 is meaningfully longer than the Altaplex because it is a dual pole design so the end walls aren't sloping inwards so much. You have about 6 more inches of useable length.

[@keithstewart2639]

Thanks

[@Medickep]

Perfect timing for this video😂

[@nicoleandjoshbaldwin4228]

I think you have the weights of the hornet and tiger wall switched

[@HikingWithTumTum]

With the prices of ultralight tents now a days I’m just gonna start making my own, out of all the reusable grocery bags I keep collecting.

[@johnprice4893]

im on a 25" square BigA wide

[@valdius85]

I would like to see an alrearnative from Nemo, with their OSMO. Or, the X Mid 2 Plus made out of some polyester fabric.

[@durstongear]

The regular X-Mid 2 is really more like a 2+ and it is polyester.

[@valdius85]

@@durstongear I did not know that the size is different to the Pro. I am also still surprised how little reviews of the regular X Mid there are on the web

[@durstongear]

@@valdius85 I think you see more reviews for the Pro right now because those are the newest models. We've had a lot of reviews for the regular tents but not as many recently since they aren't as new.

[@valdius85]

@@durstongear 1. Good job on the tent!! I enjoy a good design. 2. Push reviewers to mention that there is a version for $300 as well whenever they reviewing the Pro. Also, maybe sponsor reviewers to compare them side by side. I am not sure about the profit margins but I would assume both tent are similar. 1kg for a well designed tent is what many of us would be happy with. Also, just noticed, it is $600/kg difference 🤣

[@therealchickentender]

Since Durston (and now everyone else) already blatantly copied TarpTent (bless your innovations, Henry!) why the hell does it even matter anymore?

[@666Musik]

I recently bought the $300 Xmid2 non pro version, took it out last weekend up on Mt Hood. The only issue I had was there weren't any instructions online or off on how to attach the inside to the fly, which you only need to do the first time you set it up. So it took a couple tries to get it configured correctly. I should have set it up at home first for sure but I had just gotten it the day before and hadn't had time. Other than that, love the tent!

[@WeekendsOutsideFL]

The heavy amount of gear review videos is made up for by Justin’s 6 hour GDT marathon, but yes I would like to see more adventures mixed in the weekly releases.

[@JustinOutdoors]

Going on month long adventures just isn't a priority in my life right now. I'm happy getting out for 1-2 nights every week and then a longer trip every month or so.

[@WeekendsOutsideFL]

@@JustinOutdoors oh we would still love to see those shorter adventures too! Granted I realize you can’t really enjoy yourself if you have to film every adventure. You are also far further along than where I am at, but I do really enjoy seeing you go on trips, just like I enjoy your gear videos which have helped me pick things out recently!

[@WeekendsOutsideFL]

@@JustinOutdoors and I also realized that perhaps my rate of consumption binging these videos is greater than it is humanly possible to go out on trips!!!

[@JustinOutdoors]

@@WeekendsOutsideFL Unfortunately I likely won't be able to increase the number of trip videos. 7 out of my last 10 videos were trip videos after all!

[@WeekendsOutsideFL]

@@JustinOutdoors A lot of them are, sorry I just get a bit confused sometimes LOL

[@michaelpreddy5514]

Review the offset duo!

[@pepstein]

I don't think it's fair to say it's very tight for two people. Sure, it won't fit two rectangular 25" pads, but it's roomy enough for two adults to coexist comfortably. There are so many two person tents that are far less roomy inside.

[@BigDawgCAM]

Nah, it’s gotta be 50+ in wide or it’s a 1.5 person tent

[@pepstein]

@@BigDawgCAM that definitely wasn’t true 10 years ago, and I don’t see why it should be true now.

[@JustinOutdoors]

It depends on your use and comfort with space.

[@grantderozea7646]

I want a realisticly fair priced tent for 2.5. The zpack triplex doesn't fit for 2x 25" pad +1. My wife and I backpack with our daughter since she was 1. She sleeps between us. All these silly 2 person but not even 50 inch wide tents are a joke. We added a dog to the family. Six moon design lunar duo is best bet without the triplex cost. But heavier. Come on cottage companies, families camp too!

[@frstesiste7670]

My favorite 2-person tent is 48 inch wide. Nothing silly about that. It's just made for people with different priorities than you.

[@grantderozea7646]

That's fair, but I am a bit larger and my wife isn't small either. Even if I was going solo, a 25 " pad is what I can sleep on( other than hammock) I just wish a larger person wanting ultra ligh(er) options would be more feasible. We do not fit 20 " pads either way for a good sleep

[@frstesiste7670]

I certainly see your point, but it's also what I meant with priorities. I know that a 48 inch tent will fit in places where a larger one wont. A 20" pad is kind of narrow for me too but I know that after a week or two on the trail I'll have no problem at all sleeping on a slightly narrow pad. For me the advantages of a smaller and lighter tent and pad outweighs the advantages of a larger one and more comfort. That doesn't mean I'd never use a larger tent or larger pad (I have both), but there are many types of hikes where many (including me) sacrifices some comfort for other properties and the smaller tents are good options for those situations.

[@stevegresty4181]

As for improvements, they need to get rid of the useless magnet on the doors, that so many user's seem to love. It's very easy for the wind to blow it open, lets just hope your not cooking in the porch area when this happens. It's a fantastic tent & I love mine, but the magnet is just a solution to an imaginary problem, sorry Dan, but it belongs in the bin.

[@tomlovesdiy]

I can see why the X-Mid is causing disruption in the tent market. Hits a lot of the check boxes. Seems most tents are either about 19 sq feet or around 30. My North Face O2 is 25. Perfect one person space. It's more livable than Nemo Hornet for example because the roof is 22 inches wide and the walls are almost vertical. Weighs about 36 ounces. Also it's symmetrical so even though it has one door I can sleep with my head at either end. I love this tent! Sadly NF discontinued it after only a couple years. They marketed it as two person tent; it's not. But a great one person shelter. Wish they would release a DCF version. TomLovesDIY.

[@I..cast..fireball]

So stupid that 2p tentr don't hold 2p properly. If most single hikers bly 2p tents phat means the 1p tents should be bigger so 1p actually wants to use them. Then let the 2p tents be properly 2p.

[@adam_hikes]

Hurry up and release your tensor extreme review, don't think we don't see it you tease 😂

[@dangfpv2970]

What isn’t mentioned is how the TarpTent DiPole has the best ventilation by far and the most usable interior space. I say that as someone with a Duplex, Xmid 1 pro, and a DiPole 2. Each one is nice for its own reasons but the DiPole has the most innovative features easily.

[@durstongear]

In general the X-Mid tents have more headroom because they put the two poles quite a bit further apart. Some of the Dipole models have more useable length due to the end struts, but this depends a lot on what models are being compared. The Dipole 2 Li is more spacious than the X-Mid Pro 2, but also far heavier (19 vs 26oz). The X-Mid Pro 2+ will be similarly spacious while still being a lot lighter. In the 1P size class, the X-Mid Pro 1 is substantially more spacious than the Dipole 1 Li now. The Dipole 1 Li has a very usable 84" floor length due to the end struts, but the X-Mid Pro 1 has a genuine 90" of fully useable floor length (e.g. at 12" off the ground it is still 90" long) and it has quite a bit more headroom because the two poles are much further apart.

[@rickardandersson366]

First design like this was already made by hilleberg in the 80's 😂

[@Calidastas]

I swear every camping channel has turned into nothing but extended adverts.

[@ChopperChad]

Yeah I get that vibe with some channels but not here. But also, isn’t that why you’re here? To see what an experienced backpacker thinks about a few popular trekking pole 2p DCF tent options.

[@nunyabidness3075]

Gear reviews get the most clicks, and sponsors pay well as well.

[@blueneet84]

Not to mention Justin is one of the founders of Packwizard so he skills for that site in his videos now too.

[@derekhand7904]

It’s a gear Chanel that’s what you’re signing up for

[@hamiltonharper]

Durston doesn't need to spend a red cent on advertising or KZbin sponsorship. I bought the xmid pro 2 and it sold out in SECONDS by word of mouth alone. It is by far the best ultralight 2 person tent ever made for reasons Justin is detailing.

[@dakotaescher1]

Z Packs

[@greyhikes5236]

A few videos out there showing sagging now.....

[@chrismoore600]

When you make a good product people will copy it. Let's just hope it's cheaper.

[@petercornetet8267]

Funny that the original designer of that tent was skurka with his high route from SD and he didn’t get that hype 😂 Why mention everyone is trying to copy the xmid when the xmid itself was copied from the high route 😅 Are you getting paid or becoming affiliate to durston brand? You mentioned about magnets, FYI, TT is been using magnets on their tents for almost a decade before durston so who’s copping who?

[@edwin8808]

Hopefully, we can get a aliexpress version soon that does not cost $600 :P!

[@jamesfrancis9520]

The non-pro version is cheaper. I picked up one this spring and I've been very happy.

[@edwin8808]

@@jamesfrancis9520 still expensive for me bc of taxes and shipping. the ones in aliexpress are more affordable

[@garylindenmuth7468]

Where are the tents manufactured

[@natea1042]

China. Same factory as TarpTent uses for their DCF Lithium series.

[@garylindenmuth7468]

And they charge $ 700 for a tent that cost pennies to make in China such a deal

[@JustinOutdoors]

Vietnam

[@tarafrey-durston2606]

@@garylindenmuth7468 It's quite shocking how expensive these tents are to produce. There is very little markup in Durston products, and we do not sell gear in retail, as retailers will then have to markup the product another 50-100%. Durston Gear operates in a direct-to-customer model of business model mainly to reduce the price of our gear for customers.

[@durstongear]

There's only one factory in the world that can do the highest quality construction with DCF where it is hot bonded and pre-shrunk. It's the most expensive way to build these tents, but we use them because it makes for a better tent. The cost is far from pennies. Just the DCF alone is hundreds of dollars, and then there's a lot of other materials and a lot of labor costs. The Pro series tents are very expensive to build and have our worst profit margins.

[@Junkorgem]

You are funny😂?

[@jonbassett8023]

I'll stick with my Big Agnes UL3 MtnGlo tent...)

[@michaelboguski4743]

I dated a Gal named Neema and when she dumped me I wanted to Die.😢❤

[@Im_With_Stupid]

What tent companies need to be terrified of, at least the so-called premium brands, are these Chinese companies that are really coming out strong with very good quality nylon tents that cost the same as the so-called premium brand's line up in polyester, if not less. If you ask me I think Durston should be terrified of what's going to happen when some Chinese tent factory gets its hands on a truckload of dyneema and starts cranking out tents for $350 - $400. It's only a matter of time before that happens.

[@Im_With_Stupid]

@@helpfulcommenter I imagine they'd get it the same way everybody else who uses it gets it - buy it and have it shipped. Or, you know, Chinese manufacturers aren't exactly known for respecting other country's trademark and patent laws. If they can copy it and name it Chyneema they will do it.

[@natea1042]

@@Im_With_Stupid A factory in China has been assembling all the popular DCF tents for years except for Zpacks. The hangup is the manufacturing process. There is no truckload of fabric as there is only one company bothering to manufacture it and the dyneema strands are hand placed. Its labor intensive and the UL (at the expensive of durability) tent market is far too niche to bother trying to rip it off and automate it.

[@Im_With_Stupid]

​@@natea1042 That's pretty much it, yeah. The market for dyneema tents is extremely small and not worth the effort, especially when you're already making money hand over fist by selling nylon tents at premium brand polyester prices. They will eventually start making their own dyneema (or Chyneema) tents and when they do the price is going to be very low by comparison. I'm not sure why such an issue is being made over the term "truckload of dyneema", though. The point is simply what a Chinese company can do with it if they have a mind to, not how it got to the factory or in what form or quantity. But then all of this misses the main point of who needs to be terrified of what and why, and I think other uber niche tent makers have a lot less to fear from the Durston Xmid than premium brands in general have to fear from Chinese companies like Naturehike.

[@greenpanda7121]

This a somewhat petty criticism I know but whilst the dyneema tents may not absorb water and cause sagging, the material is pretty darn ugly and very wrinkly from the beginning. Of course the performance is paramount but the aestethics sure leave a lot to be desired.

[@dwaynestewart411]

There is no possible way that piece of crap is worth that much money.

[@ThomasKinzer]

Time to put down the Kool-Aid. I don't know what someone is telling you YT'ers, but the fact is there is a lot of design features such as the magnetic door closures and the diagonal layout which existed in Tarptents such as the Stratospire years ago that have been copied by Durston, not the other way around.

[@JustinOutdoors]

Dan copied some features, others copied some features. It's great for the consumer and I can't wait to see how these companies push each other moving forward!