Everyone plays the Polyrhythm wrong in this Chopin piece

[@lanadragonfly]

2:3 = "Not dif-fi-cult" 3:4 = "Pass the god-damn but-ter"

[@AmeeliaK]

Nice cup of tea (2 vs 3)

[@brandonmacey964]

PASS - the BREAD and BUTTer (if you want the rated G version)

[@MarkWeathers-vr6mr]

better than the one I learned as pass the F-in butter. I do teach it as pass the golden butter

[@thisismoyukhsworld2022]

Chopin's Trois Nouvelle Etudes are actual pedagogical pieces in polyrhythm.

[@Mitya-g9f]

i watched about 7 videos about 3:4 polyrhytm and still couldn't play it, but your notation with quarter dot DEMYSTIFIED that polyrythm for me, thaank you!

[@piokul]

As a complete amatour, I am proud to be playing a true 4 against 3 polyrhythm in this nocturn.

[@robertwalker2052]

The Fantasie Impromptu has constant polyrhythm inn the first and last sections. Trecherous!

[@classicallpvault]

They're not that challenging because of the tempo. You need to have the hands separate ingrained in motor memory and just play on autopilot.

[@piokul]

@@classicallpvault If you get the 3 against 4 rhythm and play them slowly, it clicks pretty quickly. I found the 7 against 6 in the middle part to be much more challenging. The one that starts on a C and goes down. If it was a clean 7 v 6 it maybe wouldn't be that hard, but the first of the seven it just held on from the previous quarter note, and you get a dotted eightth and sixteenth at the end, but all within the 7 pattern. Yeah, I still just approximate that one.

[@molybdaenmornell123hopp5]

​@@piokul 7 against 6 is beastly. I sometimes try to play Ondine and reliably fail that passage, also because it's so difficult even without the rhythmic aspect.

[@MyAnno1404]

This is a terrible piece to point out this problem because many top pianists use rubato at this point because it actuelly makes sense! Not because they cannot play 3/4. I recommend op48 no1 for this demonstration

[@RaineStudio]

Chopin has baked the rubato into this figure. What those pianists do is rallentando, which often comes off like "I'm emoting, so don't worry about my bad polyrhythm!"

[@JoEbY-X]

@@RaineStudio Indeed. He addresses this in the video.

[@jacobladder5556]

When I was in early grade school I learned about Greatest Common Denominators. So, for three (left hand) against four (right hand), you divide the total time into 12 pieces, and each of the left-hand notes takes up four of those little times, and each of the right-hand notes takes up three. Seemed obvious to me. But my piano teacher was baffled

[@jacobladder5556]

And in another one it's 28 vs. 8, or 3.5 vs. 1

[@johnmorris2254]

Great video. Actually this is exactly how I figured out 3-4 for Chopin Op 48 No 1, but I sure got tired of counting out 1 through 12 while working it out.

[@peter5.056]

Chopin's 1st Waltz has the 2 against 3 pattern;) The way I taught myself 4 against 3 is, I'd omit the 2nd and 4th notes of the 4, and play it like 2 against 3, then once I could align the 1st and 3rd beats against the triple beat, I'd replace the omitted notes from the quadruplets. My first experience with 4 against 3 in a piece, was the Adagio Cantabile of Beethoven's Pathetique near the coda, bar 66 I believe.

[@miguelisaurusbruh1158]

whats the 1st waltz? grande valse brillante?

[@peter5.056]

@@miguelisaurusbruh1158 Yes.

[@Mymusicjourney-vk2lx]

Where in the Grand valse brilliante is the 3/2? I can’t find it.

[@peter5.056]

@Mymusicjourney-vk2lx From the very first opening theme!

[@miguelisaurusbruh1158]

@@peter5.056 there's none in there lmao, i play this piece every day, do you mean the one in E flat major?

[@bhami]

Wonderful lecture! Re: two-syllable number names: why not simply change "seven" to " sev' " and "eleven" to " 'lev' "?

[@classicallpvault]

The 3rd Nocturne from opus 9 has far nastier polyrhythmic shenanigans in the B-section.

[@Beecroftm]

Sometimes, when out walking my dog, I'll start practicing polyrhythms by tapping my legs with each hand while murmuring "cold cup of tea" or "pass the g**d*** butter." My dog thinks I'm crazy. (I learned 2v3 and 3v4 with the phrases, but working out the math is a far better approach.)

[@simoneliloni6117]

Schubert's first Impromptu...

[@krzysztofkrawczyk6320]

Pass, the fuckin' butter! 😂

[@jmft]

People need to know that rubato is changing tempo, not rythm. More than that, is about hand independence (melody and harmony independence). Like, who in his mind would play Op. 66 using 3:4 polyrithm. Is supposed to be an Impromptu, hence you can't play it like an actual polyrythm. Passages like that piece are scattered through the whole Chopin's catalogue. Rubato does not explains why to break the inner rythm. Once you get it, you can vary it, and also add more improvised note, just like Chopin wanted.

[@knittysong]

Not sure I understand your point about using polyrhythms in an impromptu. Anyway, not to be annoying but you changed the spelling of the word "rhythm" several times, almost like doing spelling rubato! Was that on purpose?

[@justintroyka8855]

Fun stuff! Quick question: is the dotted-eighth and sixteenth in Moonlight Sonata a polyrhythm against the triplet accompaniment? Or do you think we're supposed to interpret the dotted-eighth and sixteenth less literally?

[@peter5.056]

It's definitely literal. Absolutely a 4 against 3.

[@andreswainselboim9217]

Agree, I also interpret it as a polyrhythm because I think the dotted-eighth + sixteenth pattern is referring to a funeral march pattern. Which is also very prevalent in Chopin's slower piano pieces.

[@pseudotonal]

You're really on top of this! I got interested in this about 55 years ago and wrote out numerous polyrhythms and practiced them. So, now how about if you take a close look at a piece I wrote that has a lot of polyrhythms? kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5iqqWhuobdmeNEsi=l6OWxKV-d2rZ6ysN