EVERYTHING That Happened in The Flash’s Original Timeline! - NO Team Flash, Justice League & More!

[@gxact]

Considering original timeline Barry traveled to Eobard's time chasing some criminal case, its very possible that, even though he was only alive for 4 years in terms of 2020-24, Barry may have been active across a much larger timespan, jumping around times until he had to chase after Eobard.

[@thefoeofdrip1184]

He pulled a Jay Garrick

[@coolcoll1262]

he was only the flash for 4 years but yeah

[@ShinySephiroth1]

​@coolcoll but maybe he spent something like ten years in a certain time period, alt Earth, or alt timeline, and then returned to the moment he originally left.

[@pandora3309]

i would like to think that original flash is the one most prone to do mistake.

[@King_Zangetsu12820]

​@@pandora3309there could be truth in that, but eobard said "the you i know from the future, he's not this stupid" so I believe he rlly fucked up big time once

[@Daniel_ElegantUniverse]

My theory was that when Barry dies of old age, he turns into pure speed force energy and becomes the lightning bolt that inevitable struck him. Solidifying the “the lightning bolt chose you for a reason” and starting that legacy of The Flash.

[@trickshotschamps6011]

completely agree with you

[@pewnit]

Sad that Eric Wallace didn't like the idea

[@eddieedward656]

A bit paradoxical

[@shashankks1962]

If you recall, Eobard said specifically that, they'd be fighting for centuries. Meaning even though he was the flash for just 4 years, he was active for way longer than that.

[@NeroLeMorte]

He could have just used the speedforce threadmill to travel to the future in reverse-flash's era.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Okay but I really think that's just maniacal exaggeration because Thawne is narcistic and has to make everything about him. He's born almost 2 centuries from now so they are by default enemies for centuries since the first moment Barry goes to the future and saves that crowd.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

I don't think he literally meant that, he's probably just referring to their battles over various times in the future.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

That's exactly what he meant. Cuz that Thawne is from a future now changed by the S1 Thawne so when S2 Thawne is researching the Flash in the future he discovers that they fought before.

[@pb99-z3r]

With all the Cicile episodes we got over the years, I'm certain all of the viewers would have preferred a reverse flash history episode over a Cicile hospital episode

[@Carsigma2]

Blame The writers for not showing us an episode of reverse flash origin or even an original timeline episode.

[@dynaguy3]

No Team Flash you say? Director of CSI? Created Gideon? Parents still alive? Married to Iris and had comic accurate Tornado Twins? Much better design for the Flash Museum? Founding member of a probably more classic Justice League? Responsible for the Reverse Flash’s origin? Barry died a hero’s death? Joe became police chief? Green Arrow survived? Why couldn’t we have gotten that as the show?

[@dallasvsworld]

Fr

[@Just_Kanji]

Because people are quirky and wanna be different and create their own trashy shit.

[@Mythowars]

I think the ending to arrow is absolutely wild and am shocked that people really like how things played out. Dude spends his whole show saying how cops and city government aren’t getting it done, so I’ll become the arrow. Years and years pass and crime is still as relevant as ever. The hero’s weren’t cutting it even in the future they showed us. So Oliver essentially has to become a god and make a super wish to make crime poof out of existence. No more crime at all ever. Kinda speed ran it there at the end.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Because the justice league won't exist Cw would have never been able to make Batman the fact that they got Superman and Lois is a miracle

[@nicolas._.2294]

What's the problem with team flash? I love caitlin and Cisco, why does everyone hates them

[@Mikedude]

I hope someday we get to see a movie, show, limited series, comic book, comic book run, audio adventures, book, or anything that could showcase what that Flash’s life was like before he got erased from existence.

[@Mikedude]

@darkshadowX I know it’s incredibly unlikely I’m just listing every possible way they could make an adaptation

[@Dragonape12]

We wont

[@dipndsh]

Would’ve really liked to see like a whole season on the original timeline. Team flash kind of ruined the show as time went on.

[@Fire_Crystal]

I don’t think it should have been a season, maybe during the forces timeline they could have had speed force Nora tell Barry about his original timeline self like that Godspeed episode with Nora in 5x18

[@Hatake1]

I agree but if it was on the original timeline would we have seen zoom

[@seleviathan]

The fact is the Original timeline is so vague and because Thawne says a few tidbits like "you were not this stupid as your Original self" which makes people this that Barry was 100x better. Truthfully though you had to consider that he became the flash much earlier in life which in turn makes him less mature as a person. Its possible a Team Flash existed in that timeline too with just different Members. Id love a whole season on the original timeline though it something that always interested me but as time went on the Timeline slowly disappeared from existence...

[@AndyPrimeOne]

I agree they wanted to make it like buffy. I just wanted a solo flash show with cameos.

[@notagokugamer2903]

We need a Reverse flash show for it

[@NeilHyto]

I think it would have been cool if he might have become a time remnant and ended up becoming Savitar when the original flash vanished by going over to the timeline we saw.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

No

[@jackbutt8774]

Yea that would have been a cool story but they didnt go for it

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

If he had made a Time Remnant to stay in 2000 and make everything kind of happen like S1-2 happens but without all of the death and evil to ensure that the kid him from when he makes Flashpoint goes on to still become the S1 him in 2014 so that he still goes on to create Flashpoint.

[@TheDrexLord]

I really hate how they stopped using vibration effects. The rf s8 suit would have look amazing if he had vibration, and I have no idea why they didnt use vibration in 9x10.

[@DavoOnline]

If you need a "real" reason, younger barry and us the audience weren't fast enough to see him them

[@TheDrexLord]

@darkshadowX then in 9x10 they could have just reused the s1 footage like with the rest of the scene, and also fan do edits of it within like an hour, so clearly it isn't that hard or expensive if people can do it that easily and look that good

[@TheDrexLord]

@darkshadowX exactly, being lazy isn't a eccuse

[@xccxuy5hnhbvc]

@@DavoOnline That's still not a real reason because in season 7 Barry was shown to be faster than Thawne, he still had the vibrations then. The REAL reason is the writers are lazy.

[@DavoOnline]

@dabiglobster34 season 9 is the worst of this, theres a scene where the flash and iris team for a day amd they're hugging in an open area like bffs, so much for hidden identity

[@dktrainer2145]

It sounds like thawne also made Batman leave Gotham city. Because in the original timeline queen enterprise and Wayne tech merged. In the timeline we followed batman disappeared 3 years before batwoman showed up. But in the the original timeline batman was still active

[@bradyduzeski7412]

Yeah I think it was an missed opportunity that they never did like an episode or an arch where they showed reverse flash's origin

[@Jackisback1221]

Love that you did this breakdown! It takes the sting of the finale away just a little lol

[@xchaotix7]

actually fr lol

[@supermindtherorizer42]

I honestly would have loved to have a whole season dedicated to exploring the original timeline!! With all the villains we’ve gotten since season 1, I have been really curious to wonder what they would’ve been like in the Original timeline.

[@devmehta2111]

I would really like an mini comic series covering the og timeline 6 issues or so

[@xchaotix7]

fr

[@lloyd777]

OG flash wasn't running around for 4 years eobard literally said they've been fighting for years😂🤦‍♂️

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

4 years but probably traveling through the timeline in the past and in the future.

[@xccxuy5hnhbvc]

Yes he was... Time travel, did you forget about it? RF just said they've been fighting for centuries because they had been fighting through different points in time. He was only the Flash for 4 years, 2020-2024.

[@theflashfan4556]

I actually think that every bit of that night that we go in the series is how it happened and the show was just giving us little bit of that night at a time

[@featherguardian6023]

I know Legally they can’t use the Justice League in more ways than One,but I Wish this was a Full Circle Season that We will Never Get that Answer.

[@neofilipsson3075]

A really big mist oppertuniti to explore rf origin was after Barry talked to eoabard in 9x10 and dissaperd he could have bean teleported to eoabards time and then he saved the crowed and the hatred started for Barry

[@futuredirector23]

we also dont know when the flash museum we see in season one was created it could still become a thing in our current timeline for the flash, maybe Barry finally decides to upgrade to a bigger more secure building, maybe it becomes a thing after he's retired from crime fighting as a way to honor him and as a way for star labs to be sold off, maybe he sells star labs off at some point and asks the museum if he could use it as a way to create a larger flash museum, who knows alot of mysteries are obviously involved but that is one thing that could still theoretically happen.

[@shinraninja]

they didnt even use the accelerated man they teased too

[@cameronbaker97]

Yeah, that was weird.

[@transfan1988]

Do we know for sure if Nora lived in the original timeline? RF thought so, but he traveled to the alternate timeline and never realized it.

[@dewaynearmstrong8860]

Now that I think back on it....the whole series should've focused on the original timeline, with Barry disappearing in Crisis in 2024 and Wally taking up the mantle as the Flash. It would've been dope for the show to start in 2020 where the original Barry Allen would've gotten struck by that lightning bolt. Nora and Henry Allen would be alive. Barry would've still married and ended up with Iris. Don and Dawn Allen the Tornado Twins would've existed. Barry creating Gideon actually being shown. The Flash Museum actually being a museum instead of STAR Labs. Caitlin becoming Killer Frost and actually being a killer. Green Arrow would still be around until his old age. Oliver would've actually ended up with a Canary instead of Felicity, it should've been Laurel. Team Flash probably wouldn't have existed and I'm fine with that, because the team was awful when Cisco and Ralph left. Instead of Team Flash it just would've been the Flash Family: Jay Garrick, Impulse, XS, Avery, Wally, Max, Jess, Jesse etc. Cisco probably would've still had his Vibe powers but just like Thawne said when he killed him, "To me you've been dead for centuries", so Cisco ends up dying someway in the original timeline. If they would've actually followed the comic book material instead of making their own alternate timeline story....the whole arrowverse would've been top tier!

[@JDP8888]

The pilot episode should’ve just started with crisis April 25, 2024. Starting out with that battle described in the newspaper 📰 as the first 10 minutes. Then followed up by the new fixed point in March 18, 2000. Then finally we go to present day in 2013 with Barry from the new alternate timeline. Moving forward we would have gotten bits and pieces of easter eggs of the original timeline in every season. It would of have been simple as Barry had moments where he would see visions of certain events but it’s just fractured memories of the original timeline. Such as when he would face off against a rogue or big bad. He would see their alternate version from the original timeline. Eventually, our Barry puts all the pieces together and realizes it all had to do with the original timeline crisis. That his original timeline self aka Flash of 2020-2024 had to have Eobard Thawne get stuck in the past. The reason being was because Eobard Thawne was the only person smart enough to build the particle accelerator sooner than Harrison Wells and Tez Morgan. Hence we get a new Flash in 2013 vs 2020. The ultimate reasoning was because of the outcome of crisis of the original timeline wasn’t the best case scenario. Having Barry become the Flash sooner than 2020 it’s what causes crisis to come to 2019 and Barry doesn’t vanish.

[@spartacusthebringerofrain3007]

Barry didn't disappear in the original timeline or we don't know he did Centuries after the death of Barry Allen 🎉Thawne ran back in time creating a branch reality were he and Barry could exist at the same time. Thawne erased every other timeline and created a fix point loop where only season 1 Barry Allen and Thawne still exist. The original Barry Allen lived and died in a timeline that Thawne wasn't born in and never even heard of him. A speedster can only move sideways in time which is why Jay Garrett said not to travel into the past because the timeline fractures and never to the future because if something happened to iris or Nora in the future Barry would destroy the present timeline trying to fix it.

[@nicolas._.2294]

But would have barry still die in 2024 wichout the time-line rf created in s1 ep1? I don't think so

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

@@spartacusthebringerofrain3007 what do you mean he didn't disappear in the original timeline the article about him disappearing in Crisis in 2024 FROM the OG timeline has always been there. I mean, I guess technically you're right, there would have to be a timeline where things all happen chronologically and then time travel is introduced but remember Thawne only hates OG Barry because he traveled to the future and "stole his moment" so in the OG OG timeline it's Barry that messes things up through time travel and which creates the timeline that then leads into Thawne creating the S1 timeline then of course the show happening and now we have the current timeline. A more twisted mess than wired headphones after you take them out of your pocket.

[@northwestwind85]

I think Team Flash with OG Wells, Cisco, and Caitlin still works as long as Barry still primarily operates on his own.

[@anubhavpal5782]

I think the best possible explanation is that barry was erased from the timeline after eobard killed his mom and so does his original timeline (his kids, his own timeline and whatever and whoever were the charcters in there, whatever organization there was in the OG timeline, his experiences as the flash, etc) and the crisis on infinite earths solidified the curent timeline he's on, hence to maintain balance and continuity, this event needed to happen again, so it happened in an altered way with our barry doing it this time. So in a sense our barry has always lived in a flashpoint timeline from the start and briefly entered the OG timeline when he saved his mom in season 3, but soon decided to return to his original timeline since it was different from what he knew. OR Taking the explanation from The Flash movie released just now, the past and the future always existed this way since reverse flash is from the original timeline, means original timeline never vanished, and has always existed and is out there prior to the event of thawne killing his mom or else eobard would have disapperared immediately at that moment with OG flash as well, means it was never the future flash from 2024, but our barry who went and fought thawne that night and saved his younger self and allowed thawne to kill his mom so that our barry's timeline can happen

[@dallasvsworld]

I wanted to see him invent Gideon

[@alaincawley2983]

I think that in terms of the arrowverse the Legends take the prize of changing the timeline the most.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Barry is just the most accurate

[@dynaguy3]

I guess there’s actually a reason why we didn’t see Reverse Flash’s origin. It wasn’t our Barry

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

Original timeline Flash is my Barry.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

@@giovannigiovanni.7220 That Barry no longer exists. That whole timeline no longer exists except for Thawne's memories of it.

[@rossjones8426]

​@@giovannigiovanni.7220that version was created in 2020 as Thawne confirmed in season one.

[@DarthKamui]

In retrospect, the original-timeline Barry is a lot more like Barry from the comics and 2013's _Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox._ But the "original timeline" is long gone with all of these timeline changes, especially since our main Barry replaced him as the Barry who goes back in time to the year 2000 and fights Eobard.

[@henrypeters5291]

There is actually a book on the timeline that would have happened if Barry never created flashpoint.

[@thefoeofdrip1184]

The Flashpoint-less multiverse.

[@jackbutt8774]

Name

[@henrypeters5291]

@@jackbutt8774 Look up Barry Lyga. He wrote six books in the arrowverse.

[@jackbutt8774]

@@henrypeters5291 comic or proper books?

[@henrypeters5291]

@@jackbutt8774 Graphic novels basically. They have pictures.

[@mrthomas_19218]

Pagey you should bring back the "things we hated about the flash season ___" series, those were funny to watch. I also vaguely remember a video you did years ago about how you would've written the flash and I think seeing that for the newer seasons would be nice. Also ngl, your content is so good that I would rather rewatch your old vids as opposed to old flash episodes, appreciate the care you put into your content.

[@shashankks1962]

This is actually good. But I still like the idea that, original timeline never existed. It was the same timeline that we saw, only that the Flash through gideon had been manipulating Reverse Flash to do that things he did in year 2000, leading to his creation.

[@TylerSmith-xq5rm]

The original timeline did exist tho because if the original timeline flash never went back to the year 2000 and saved his younger self that wouldn’t have given eobard the idea to kill Barry’s mom and that’s why we have our Barry that we know know. The original timeline flash and season 9 flash are not the same flash.

[@M567dk]

I truly have a great dislike for the alternative timeline in how Barry’s mom died and have to die for the timeline to remain. Honestly, I rather have it be Flash having a stable life growing up with any interference from time travel whatsoever.

[@jacobholly2096]

What if when Barry got a glimpse of what happened in crisis and he saw a version of him that disappeared and disintegrated what if that was the original flash that disappeared after his fight with the reverse flash and that's why we never saw him again or knew what happened to him after.

[@xchaotix7]

great theory

[@The-Chosen-Collective]

That’s explains why he doesn’t exist as a time remnants, but Savitar exists as a time tenant from Flashpoint, and Barry exists as a time remnant in the Reverse Flashpoint from Armageddon. We saw in 6x02 that December 2019 onward was inaccessible through the speed force and infected with anti matter. We also see this is our Barry dying inside the anti matter wave as a the only possible outcome. I think in the original timeline, OG Barry stopped the actual antimatter wave energy when trying returning to 2024 through the speed force (as no one saw him return to Crisis 2024 after he disappeared with the Reverse Flash to year 2000). Upon Nora Allen’s death and Flash early creation of a new timeline, The Book of Destiny was used to tell the monitor how events should go to maintain the original timeline with the 52 known earths. With Crisis happening years earlier, events play out differently and The Anti Monitor kidnaps Earth 90 Flash when he was banished from Earth 1 in Elseworlds (The Anti-Monitor would have not known about Earth 90 flash had he stayed away from the known 52 earths, both Monitors can’t use the Book of Destiny beyond the first 52 earths recorded in the book). The monitor sending Oliver’s kids back in time from a potential post crisis future is the final timeline alteration that allows The Anti-Monitor to succeed. The Monitor technically is a being capable of causing his own “Flashpoints” across the multiverse if not careful and that’s what happened. The Monitor bringing people from the future (Team Arrow 2040) to reward Oliver altered events leading up to Crisis enough to destabilize the original outcome of Crisis 2019 where the original multiverse remains. This decision changed Green Arrows level of empathy, which altered his decisions during Crisis, which lead to his first death not seen in Book of Destiny. This combined with 1) Earth 90 Flash becoming a multiverse wild card and 2) Team Flash and Black Lightning finding and freeing Earth 90 Flash in the final version of Crisis allows Earth 90 Flash to destroy the anti-matter cannon itself. These change of events effectively leads to unseen outcomes of an old multiverse being destroyed to form a new one that is more vast and connects the Arrowverse multiverse to the Infinite Frontier and Dark Multiverse in the comics as well as the DCEU/DCU in theaters and Max steaming services. (Remember Orignal Timeline Flash stopped the anti-matter wave from within itself using the speed force and the remaining heroes fight the Anti-Monitor and Harbinger and win to preserve the original multiverse. Since this doesn’t happen and events play out differently, the Anti-Monitor wins and the heroes unknowingly create a new multiverse and make a crack in the Source Wall. The new multiverse is its own set of fixed points that haves been explain on the Arrowverse shows post-Crisis so I’ll end the timeline history of Earth 1 here because it’s gone now.

[@christopherlopes7321]

Maybe we could get a potential spin off or prequel to the original timeline. That would be cool!!!

[@reigoo_]

exploring the new or rebirth of the multi verse

[@jamiemarshall4738]

Would have loved to see more than 1 episode of flashpoint. Probably would have made the savitar reveal a bit better as it wouldn't have been dragged out as much and would have done one of the biggest flash comic storylines justice

[@creepercalvin]

Damn the justice league actually exists for more than 1 crossover

[@sohan6058]

Why did thawne care that he still vanished in 2024? Isn't his goal returning home and how do we know he vanished in 2024 in original time line and not just ours

[@-hs-hazza-]

why couldn’t he have just run back to the future ? I’ve never understood that

[@Antoniodagreat]

@@-hs-hazza- silly it was stated lost his connection to time travel 😂😂😂

[@sohan6058]

@@Antoniodagreat but why does he care about 2024?

[@-hs-hazza-]

@@Antoniodagreat there’s a connection to tone travelling? I thought that his connection is s1 to the speed force was too weak so he couldn’t

[@thelukeofficial9626]

There a fan made videos you can watch showing the original timeline

[@jokerxd407]

They never explained what happened to elongated man after he burnt his face. This made it perfect for a recast because he’s face was burnt.

[@redrobin3027]

What doesn’t make sense is Original Timeline Barry stopping his younger self from saving his mom. It wasn’t a fixed point yet because she didn’t die in his timeline. The whole direction of the show could have been avoided if he defeated Reverse Flash and took him back to the Future…

[@deveshjha4728]

Finally!! This is exactly what I'm talking about!! I am so tired of debating with random people in the comments about the original timeline!! I will just link this vid to them if they talk smack again lol🤣🤣

[@ctv8555]

FAN THEORY; THE 90'S FLASH IS THE ORGINAL TIMELINE , The Only 2 difference are 1.The 90s didn't used the reverse flash but the cw did and 2: the Cw deleted the mother, based on the new 52 comics, while CBS kept his mother alive , based on the pre crisis when the flash disappeared,than dc brought him back, then dc launch the new 52 in 2010 with the flash starting Flashpoint, barry allen's flash , maybe the only superhero, with 2 different origins

[@cameronbaker97]

The 90s Flash was from Earth-90.

[@chrisorrill7183]

I remember in the original Crisis of 1985, Barry became the lightning bolt that caused Barry to become the Flash. I got a theory what if Barry got his powers the same way as the comic version did minus the particle accelator and Harrison and Tess's was not located in Central City. Thawne was a lab tech that maybe got exposed and wanted to become a hero like the Flash. So when he got trapped in 2020, he assumed Barry was exposed to the dark matter of particle accelator as he was and caused the explosion.

[@who.needs.a.username612]

i just realized something, when barry went back in time in season 2 and created flashpoint wouldnt that mean that it wouldve created the original timeline again but of coarse with some changes but like maybe wally became the flash like he did but flashpoint took place in 2017 3 years before the particle accelerator went off and stuck wallys car making him the flash

[@CruddySpark115]

I wish they would make a prequel spin-off based on the original timeline and not messing with time up until that night, but at the same time I feel like most of it would be like what happened in the comics like how he saved the crowd and caused reverse flash to become jealous and become the reverse flash and this way they could make an original flash story of there own but that’s just my own theory. Edit: also I’m so glad that some people are finally understanding that our Barry isn’t the original timeline flash after seeing 9X10

[@alb_0802]

We really need something, that explains this part of the flash, it really ended unfortunate...

[@yinsdemise]

What if the current show version saw the OG dying in crisis instead and got convinced that is himself? That might explain where the OG vanished after saving himself from being killed by Eobard. This question is based on Eobard's statement that he and the Flash have been fighting for centuries, as well as the possible similarity between the OG Flash suit at the end of season 1 and the one saw dying in the future vision by Barry before crisis. Of course there is a flaw in this as well, such as season 9's Flash suit is similar with the OG's Flash in season 1, at least from my perspective.

[@shamzam3012]

The show never gave the creation of gideon, like a prototype version in order to allow the current version of gideon from the future to even still exist. Also even though barry came full circle with being there that night to save himself and finding out the moment his mom died was a point in time that shouldnt be changed or couldnt forget what its called, the difference from that original timeline barry that did it and barry now is the original barry of that night didnt return home to his time to be with his family and friends, current barry was able to.

[@spartacusthebringerofrain3007]

Everyone is missing the point the real timeline is actually what 28 year's in the future from the point thawne Left not 2023 central city. Thawne not the timeline went back and died centuries before his birth nobody in the future even knew he left they went on the same way 1985 did if Marty got stuck in the 1950s he's family is still in 1985

[@s.w.a7609]

I would've liked to see: Reverse flash origin story: thawne becoming reverse flash, how he found out who the flash is. Creating gideon,the tornado twins.

[@nicolas._.2294]

I don't want to see him killing people and his family just becs they piss him off, that would be boring

[@rando339]

Read the comics lmao

[@Oka-wf3qj]

Interesting vid

[@infinitydragoncultivator8121]

Make a video on snowbarry. Please just do it.

[@sleepy9102]

It’s really interesting to ask. Who was more experienced our Barry or future timeline Barry? Our Barry has more years over future Barry. However eobard has more respect and was a fan boy of future Barry. Even though future Barry had some big accomplishments he was only active for 4 years. Meanwhile our Barry had more crossovers, and stopped more villains.

[@yusufa2200]

future barry for sure, he has his own flash museum with all the villians he took down. plus no team flash he did it all on his own as well as creating gideon.

[@Why_Not_8744]

I like to think that Barry's mom dying created a branch timeline instead of rewriting the original one. I also like to think that the original Barry made it back to the original timeline.

[@fishwrld]

nice video

[@DigiRangerScott]

I think it’s so cool that Nora died in both timelines

[@theorycraftingmachine2876]

The OG Timeline starts in The Flash Season 7 ep 3, when Harrison Wells helps Barry Allen regain his powers from the Speed Force, this happens during the year 2020, that is why Eobard Thawne told Harrison Wells, "In the year 2020, you and...your wife Tess Morgan successfully launched a particle accelerator that changed the course of history." Then the end of the OG Timeline is The Flash Season 9 ep 10 & ep 11, when Barry Allen vanishes in front of Iris West-Allen, then The Flash & Reverse-Flash talk in the middle of the street on the night of March 18th 2000, before Reverse-Flash & The Flash continue the fight in the Allen House where The Flash saves Barry Allen & Reverse-Flash kills Nora Allen, then The Flash thanks and Forgives Reverse-Flash, also Iris West-Allen talks with Allegra about the April 25, 2024 Newspaper article, "Flash Missing Vanishes in Crisis"

[@rossjones8426]

No the Flash appeared after the particle Accelerator explosion nobody witnessed the Accelerator being used in season 7 when Wells turned it on meaning the real Wells created the Flash in original timeline season 1 episode 1x17 Thawne and Barry appeared from a time portal before entering the house meaning they came from original timeline not from this timeline.

[@varanjitsingh9663]

They never solidified how fast he was in the end.

[@romeomonteverde]

Season 1 felt so rushed. We could've gotten at least 2 or 3 seasons off of it actually. So at least we could've gotten the reverse flash reveal at a later date and so they could've kept the mystique of it for a lot longer and not have him become such a tired plot device. I mean season 2 was so awesome with zoom then we get the reveal that reverse flash will be back, then savitar was a force, then boom, reverse flash at the end. Bloodwork season, boom reverse flash. Like seriously. It would've been better if we had fake wells/eobard for a while longer at least until season 2 with both wells seeing each other and having some interactions, then by the end eobard reveals himself as reverse flash or something. Just sprinkles of Eobard would be nice and in the beginning I loved the post credit scenes of Harrison being sneaky, but the reveal was way too fast. I think we could've swapped season 2 and 1 where we get zoom first and then we get eobard by season 2, just prolonging the tension between barry and eobard of whether barry will realize the duplicitous nature of the fake wells and I wished it wasn't spoon fed to us, I mean we knew Harrison was lying, but i hated that we saw him in the time vault and just stepping in as reverse flash. Could've maybe thrown in a curveball where eobard lied and that he was from the future ala the legends (since we know time travel vehicles exists) to help the flash prevent crisis, but really he's there to kill him. Then him having some doubts about his reasoning, like the other eobard, the good one, that ultimately got killed by reverse flash when he imploded from within him, but ultimately decided to keep being the reverse. Or something like that. At least we wouldn't just see reverse flash by the latter seasons as some evil laughing old school cartoon villain as he became a meme by now

[@teezoflakoofficial]

Wish we could’ve seen Cisco one more time

[@aidenh4681]

solo barry would have been like fifty times better

[@ShinySephiroth1]

6:51 It's only a fixed point because current Barry doesn't want to lose the life he knows - if they changed things everything will march on, just... differently. Just like with the two Flashpoints.

[@AndyPrimeOne]

Did they ever explain why Thawn lost his speed when he went back to kill kid barry? I always thought it would be that by fucking up timeline he made it so barry didnt start the speed force on time, which is why he pushed him to become the flash earlier.

[@rossjones8426]

Thawne killed Nora stopping Barry from becoming the Flash because He never got justice for Nora death causing Thawne from becoming reverse Flash because prime timeline erased new timeline created.

[@ЖекаКрутой-й8я]

Its never been stated outright in the show that that's what cost Thawne his speed (though I'm like 90% convinced that the theory is true). All we're told on-screen by Gideon is that Thawne's 'last battle with the Flash' depleted his speed. The correlation between Nora's murder preventing Barry from being the Flash and Thawne losing his power is a theory based on the comics understanding of the causal link between them...and to be fair, it is backed up a little by some things that we see later on the show (such as Wally losing his powers when Barry, and thus Savitar, lose their memory...because Wally's powers are causally tied to Savitar since Savitar arranged to turn him into a speedster in the first place).

[@shinraninja]

didnt show barry creating gideon,

[@impulsivestudios6705]

Can you do a video ranking all the main characters of the flash in a tier list?

[@b.e.francis1272]

Could someone please explain Gideon ?

[@krexit999]

goddamn time travel gets SO confusing, i love it it loops but it doesnt loop. smth happens because smth happens in the future but if that didnt happen this wouldnt happen but if that didnt happen this wouldnt of have happened. my brain

[@jeremymorris345]

Do you guys think kryptonians lived in the original timeline? Eobard mentions how he fought Superman and was faster than him, and Rip Hunter mentioned how he saw Man of Steel die. However, we know from Season 3 that other earths aren't affected by timeline changes. Harry and Jessie mention this after Flashpoint, I believe. With this being said, it can't be the Earth-38 version, or else they would already know about the Multiverse before Kara meets Barry. So how did they meet Superman unless OG Timeline Earth-1 had one. Harry does say in Season 4 that everyone has a doppelganger, including Kara. Therefore, an Earth-1 Krypton exists.

[@futuredirector23]

except that with your theory that would assume that Kara knew of the multiverse before Barry visited her, what if Barry is the reason that Kara and by extension Clark learn of the multiverse? what if regardless of timeline thats how they are taught about the multiverse? obviously thats just an In-show theory as we all know that supergirl was originally on a different station. but as Thawn never says when he raced Clark it could be assumed that Earth 38's superman was the version he raced and beat. that said however as thawne is of the future it could also be theorized that After crisis in both the original timeline ad the current one that the specter combined the heroes of different earths to one earth thus creating a situation where he would still be able to race superman, but as no other details are given about the how or why he knows that he's faster we can only speculate. for all we know Thawne managed to run back in time and earth hop all at the same time, thus he meets the earth 38 version of clark and races him. unless we get more details on that entire interaction its very hard to figure out what happened. as for what Rip said in regards to Men of Steel dying and dark knights falling i believe that thanks to the time ship he has he like the legends have done ended up going to different earths when time traveling, thus allowing him to see those things happen.

[@jeremymorris345]

@future director Nope. Thawne would have had to have raced Superman before Crisis and before the Earths merged because he said that before Earth-Prime was made. Theoretical based on the way we know Earth's to interact with other timelines, Thawne could have traveled to the future of Earth-38 and fought Superman, which would technically match what he said. The same applies to Rip ig. Superman comes to OG Timeline Earth-One in 2166 and proceeds to die. However, this is never confirmed and implies Earth-38 Superman dies on Earth-1. It also implies Superman travels to the OG timeline in the Future of Earth-38, but then in the past of Earth-38 Season 2, Barry shows up, which, while possible, just doesn't make that much sense. However, in Season 4, Harry goes on to say that every person has a doppelganger, including Kara therefore a Earth-1 Kara and Clark exist, so yes, technically, Earth-1 would have a Superman and Supergirl. What's more like is that the OG timeline had a version of them in the future.

[@jeremymorris345]

@future director Also, I never said Kara knew of the Multiverse before meeting Barry. She clearly learns of it after meeting him.

[@nicolas._.2294]

Do you realize that there are more superman and supergirl on other earth, not only 38, why would you assume just 38 when he might have fight a superman from literally any other earth

[@jeremymorris345]

@Nicolas._. Because that's boring, and if they did fight another Earth's Superman, then that Earth would know of Earth-1 and would probably visit at least once. For example, if you helped out another world, then all of a sudden, you lose contact, wouldn't you be curious and visit to see what happened.

[@elimcdaniel44]

It would be cool to see that timeline, I mean it could still exist on another earth, there are an infinite number so that timeline still could have happened on another earth

[@NebMunb]

That's just the way the speedster runs his body away.

[@Hadeks_Marow]

The one thing that I don't like about "original timeline". . . is that. . . these are 2 separate universes. Pre-crisis is a separate universe (almost separate multiverse, more-specifically a purged and rebuilt multiverse) from post-crisis. So as far as the post-crisis "night of the impossible". . . all of that makes sense since they are recreating events from pre-crisis. . . but pre-crisis "night of the impossible" that chain of events shouldn't have played out the same. We can't be expected to believe that the post-crisis barry came to pre-crisis universe. . . There's a barrier there thanks to the book of destiny and the purge. More than that, barry vanished in crisis in the pre-crisis timeline. Sure you could argue that's OG/OTL barry (before thawn sped up the star labs creation) and not pre-crisis barry, but even then, the newspaper changed dates multiple times, which implies it was no longer talking about OTL barry but instead pre-crisis barry. I know you said about "ONE of the barrys" in pre-crisis was OTL barry, but he wasn't the only pre-crisis barry there. There were also 2 other pre-crisis time traveling barrys as well. There was pre-flashpoint pre-crisis barry and post-flashpoint pre-crisis barry. Flashpoint did happen before crisis. So all of this just feels. . . slightly off. You got OTL barry with 2 altered timeline barrys. So was OTL barry just not one of the flashes that interacted with either of that flashpoint barrys? Cause in the season finale, it suggests that our finale barry was the one to warn one of the flashpoint barrys. . . and if finale barry is a stand-in for OTL barry then. . . that would imply he was the one to interact with them. . . it just seems off.

[@ЖекаКрутой-й8я]

This is how I see it: There's OG Barry from Thawne's original timeline, where the particle accelerator exploded in 2020. He simply rescued his younger self and had no idea that Thawne would kill his mom. It's possible that the moment Thawne killed his mom, he was erased (I mean, Thawne does later say in 1x23 "The Flash was gone"). We only really see this Barry during Thawne's flashbacks to the night in 1x17. After Thawne engineers the origin of the Flash with 'our' in 2013-14, this ripples into the future. So now, a future version of 'our' Barry is the one fighting Thawne at the house that night (having traveled back during the 2024 Crisis in which he is destined to vanish/die). This Barry has gone through some version of all the show's events, maybe even his own Flashpoint, and he knows that his mom needs to die to preserve the timeline, so he gestures to 'our' Barry to not interfere. Finally, we come to 'our' Barry in S9 who now plays out his own version of the night. Since there's no longer a 2024 Crisis, he ends up back in 2000 under different circumstances (namely, the attack by the Negative Speed Force), and fights Thawne (presumably another time remnant). He too knows that his mom can't be saved, and he even remembers his future self gesturing to him not to interfere, so he repeats that action...closing the 'loop'. There have presumably been many other versions of Barry who's played the part of Future Barry in that scene. For instance, at one point the Future Barry would have been the long-haired Barry from 3x19, who'd lost Iris to Savitar.

[@rhodrage]

It's kinda funny that OG Timeline flash only lasted 4 years

[@TUF68]

they could have made an epic final season. since Thawne recognised Nora as Dawne, I would have loved that they showed us a world where the original timeline barry was from. where Patty Spivett married Barry (since he didn’t move in with Joe, he didn’t catch feelings for Iris and so she marries Eddie). Then when RF and Barry run back in time, it could have been exactly like in the season 1 flash back where they come through a portal. would have been so great.

[@barthotymous]

man its so hard to imagine no more Flash. I know Arrow and Legends have been done for a bit now, but it kind of feels that way for them too. There's just so much more I want to know about the arrowverse, particularly in regards to the Flash. RIP

[@eSUBA94]

what happened to oliver queen in the original flash timeline before 2020? was there vandal savage and did they defeat him without flash? we only know about the battle and after with queen company

[@Malory-Malicious]

I’m still sad the “good thawne” (flashpoint thawne) got killed during the negative forced arc, he only existed for a couple episodes but he deserved better,

[@paulhager1281]

They should have had the future flash Barry occasionally run into his past self while time traveling...that would have been cool...I hope they do a reverse flash spin off with wally maybe red headed wally or both. And the flash would have vanished..so u wouldn't have to put him in it...maybe occasionally see him run by or maybe finale a fight...the flash vanishing and wally west trying to figure out what happened and the reverse flash seemingly wins...all leading to finding the flash .or maybe flash is zombie black flash reaper ...that would be cool .all kinds of stories they could do..blackest night..zombie flash

[@shakthib5738]

The Article may have been re-written after reverse-flash created flash early. In original timeline, may be the article was meant to be on the day when Barry goes inside time prison in Season 3 end. what are your thoughts.

[@ЖекаКрутой-й8я]

Yeah, technically, we don't know what the newspaper article looked like before Nora's death.

[@knytemar3]

Would be nice if we had a complete season of original flash after season 9.

[@EggMilkBread]

Can someone please explain how OG timeline flash chased OG timeline reverse flash back to 2000 only to have alternate timeline flash do everything that we originally though OG timeline flash did? If OG reverse flash only interacted with alternate timeline flash that day (and throughout the entire day, not just coming out of the portal at night like it showed in the flashbacks in season 1) did OG timeline flash even go back to the year 2000? Was OG timeline barry even there at all that day in 2000? Or was every interaction between them in these scenes, and that day in 2000, just OG timeline reverse flasg dealing with alternate timeline flash?

[@obsidianwarrior5580]

The moment I read no team flash in the title I already started wishing we had gotten to follow this version around instead.

[@shelbyburns9928]

I would have loved to seen that scene where he takes the reverse flash's glory by saving the people he had planned to save

[@UNITED-STATES-OF-MURICA140]

This is my personal opinion but I think savitar should have been the original timeline flash. It could go like this 2024 Barry saves his past self from the reverse flash he then runs and tries to get back to 2024 but instead gets stuck in the speed force. i know there was One scene in season 2 where Harry talks about the speed force not being affected by timeline changes so 2024 Barry See's his timeline being erased from the speed force but he can't do anything from inside he sees everything from our Barry's timeline past present and future. 2024 Barry grows a resentment towards our current Barry seeing that he lives the life that he once had and all the pain and resentment causes him to become savitar. It probably doesn't make sense but sounds good to me.

[@chaquen81]

I've seen several videos on this specific topic and all of you guys seem to make the same mistake. You all assume that his mother is alive in the original timeline and that things changed after Thawne killed her. However, the original timeline would have been the more comic book accurate timeline, in which case, his mother is also killed by Thawne. Even in the show itself, we see that event change multiple times but his mother always dies. Not to mention, the timeline of the show itself was changed multiple times after her death and even before her death by several people and often stayed changed. The one time she did not die turned into Flashpoint. His mother always dies as it is a fixed point in time. It's basically the same logic as with Savitar. Barry gets attacked by Savitar in the future, and remnants are created to help fight him. All remnants die except one who then goes on to become Savitar. If that's the case, then who's the Savitar that first attacks them in the future? The very same remnant. It's an unending loop with no beginning and no end. The timeline in the show changes before his mother dies (in the distant past by Savitar) and several times after by Barry and many others. That means that the events that changed the original timeline are unrelated to her death, since that is the only constant. If I had to guess, I'd say Barry becoming the Flash sooner definitely would count as a drastic enough event to change the original timeline, considering how important he is to their universe. A change like that would ripple in all directions in time. Past, present and future. That's kind of what happened in the comics as well. When Barry became a speedster, everyone else that was ever meant to be one in the past, present and future, became one as well. He was the engine of the speedforce.

[@datnibba1012]

Wait hold on so do u think Barry caused Oliver to loose Queen Consolidated? Or maybe he’s the reason Oliver’s mom died? Or the reason Isabel was able to takeover 😭🫨

[@mattspeed7665]

Would’ve been cool if in one timeline eobard thawne is referred to by his actual supervillain name, Professor Zoom. Closest we got was when the ai called him ‘professor thawne’.

[@AnthonyWLeone]

I would have LOVED to have seen the original Flash timeline. I like the idea of no Team Flash.

[@lassegrotkjr6326]

After watching the third final episode of Flash, (specificaly the final scene With Eddie in the lab) me and my friend that i watcht it With, begane to spekulate that Maybe Eddie was originaly the Flash in the original timeline, and that the reason history remembert him as the least succesfull Thawne was because all the things that made him succesfull was things he hid from the world, (being a supperhero) so he was unknown to EVERYONE originaly the most succesfull Thawne, and that Reverse Flash had made a slight mistake when he ✌️learnt that Barry was the Flash,✌️ and that Barry only became the Flash (and possible got a relationship With Iris) because Eabord specificaly sat everything op, so that Barry would become the Flash, because he thougt that he had fought With Barry all the times he had fought With the Flash op to that point. I got kinda attacht to this idea, thinking it would be the doppest twist in the Hole arrow-verse, and relly wish they had gone Down this route, that could even have given Eddie’s turn into Cobalt Blue more Weight as the negative speed Force would influence him With what was once his, rather than what could be his, and then when Eddie decides to listen to Barry about coexsisting, it would be like him becoming simmular to how he was in the original timeline, and less like how he was in the new timeline. Edit: and were talking only in the CW Flash show here, im well awere that Eddie never was the Flash in any point of the comic books.

[@dksoulstice6040]

One of the bigger missed opportunities of the CWVerse is not following in the footsteps of Smallville and continuing that universe in comic form. We don't see Clark as Superman in Smallville. You do if you read the comics. Some comics may have finally given us some more info on original Barry, among other things. Comic continuation also gets around issues like CW's clear lack of budget an inability to do characters like Green Lantern justice. What a waste.

[@keyproblems7590]

In season 9, they say that Reverse Flash killing Nora was a fixed point. Which means he never changed the timeline, and the “future Barry” was really just him from season 9. Problem was this goes against everything they said in season 1.

[@sagargupta9446]

No if you don't know our season 9 Barry and OG thawn come 2000 with help of negative speed force teleport in 2000 and we already saw in season 1 the OG OG thawn and flash are coming through the white portal not the help of speed force means OG timeline exist but still erased after the paradox events

[@gorcsauce696]

My opion there no og time line only thing altereimg it was cicada part making it different . Why would Barry work with the police of his parent never died

[@baki484]

Because silver age/ comic book (original timeline) Barry still wanted to help people even with both his parents still being alive he had a passion for science. The flash suit, cosmic treadmill, the flash ring, figuring out how his powers work was all accomplished by him. No Wells, Cisco, Caitlin or Joe and any of the hand holding in the show it was him. He's the one who even trained Thawn when he accidentally traveled to the future with the cosmic treadmill. Thawn killing his mother was introduced when he returned to the comics in 2008 after being trapped into the speedforce/dying in crisis of infinite earths since people b*tched about Barry "being a boring science man" so they gave him a more tragic origin. Pick up a comic.

[@23paingel]

I know I'm a bit late, but what do you think changed to make the new timeline? Thawne always goes back to kill Barry and ends up killing his mother instead. Does he normally not lose his speed and force him to take over Harrison's life? Or did the original timeline end because Thawne's first time travel instance is when he went back to kill Barry?

[@yusufa2200]

a new fixed point, being nora being killed in the original timeline barry had both parents, married to iris, no team flash and csi but it was all replaced once rf failed to kill kid barry

[@23paingel]

@@yusufa2200 then how is flashpoint any different? It's literally the same as that timeline, but Barry isn't the flash there or even a CSI. Only reason he became a CSI was because his mom died.

[@yusufa2200]

@@23paingel no he didnt, its not hard to understand. thawne made a whole new entire timeline when he stabbed nora. other than that barry grows to he director of ccpd csi and will become the flash in 2020. thats the orginial timeline. as said, thawne changed it all.

[@HashbrownTheVI]

I thought that the original adult Barry that was there on the night that his mother died was the grown up version of the child Barry that he saved. I thought the reason why he stopped season 1 adult Barry from stopping Reverse Flash was because he was the later version of Barry from the timeline that we see.

[@bobbynolastname3119]

have u thought of doing a video explaining the differences of each timeline?

[@paulhargreaves4161]

An original timeline without a team flash sounds better than the dumb seasons we got past season 2

[@wolfgang6442]

I woulda liked loved to see that timeline play in any shape or form

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

​@@wolfgang6442 As I say in my Original timeline Flash videos is he either had a Team Flash and then went solo or was solo from the beginning. Plus, he acted more like the comicbook Flash. Here is one of those videos: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqGYooduepJ1bKc

[@northwestwind85]

I think he could still be independent but work with OG Wells, Cisco and Caitlin (Season 1 esque).

[@blankzelpeieio611]

Imagine they found a way to go back to the o g timeline , that would be sick

[@hebstir]

I will always wonder why they teased an actual decent looking finale in a trailer and we just never got that and now never will.

[@Bryan-dr5qy]

If Nora was alive in the original timeline, why would her death be a fixed point later on?

[@ninjaruler5525]

because barry and eobard going back in time and changing the course of history resulted in a time loop for both of them. so nora needs to die for barry to become the flash so he can save his younger self and let his mother die continuing the cycle. that’s what i took from it at least

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

The show was Reverse Flashpoint all along.

[@runthrufields]

can anyone tell me why the lightning flashes during the house fight kept going on while barry was telling his past self to not intervene? or is there another barry fighting RF simultaneously

[@ЖекаКрутой-й8я]

Perhaps Barry created a speed mirage