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hey girls!! a little treat here, Madeline and I discuss and break down the hayloration of the 1989 vault tracks. from SLUT!, to now that we don't talk, suburban legends, is it over now? and say don't go....there is a common through line....and that through line is a British man by the name of harry styles.
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0:00 - 13:47 SLUT!
13:47 - 18:29 Say Don't Go
18:29 - 27:00 Now That We Don't Talk
27:00 - 35:25 Suburban Legends
35:35 Is It Over Now?
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[@alexnicole6806]

You weren't kidding when you said best Taylor Swift podcast. You two are effortlessly charismatic, intelligent, and so likeable.

[@theswiftologist]

tysm Alex

[@tylertyler3214]

300 takeout coffees, assuming she has one every morning is roughly 10 months. The connection to clean!!

[@didinau]

Haylor is that relationship that's very interesting to discuss and write about, like you can make a movie. But to be in it is a fucking nightmare.

[@charlottebellas4166]

32:16 I don’t think people are reading this verse right. She’s not talking about going back to school, she’s not talking about being in school - she’s fantasizing about going back to her high school REUNION with Harry on her arm. Can you imagine 2 mega stars walking in as the IT couple to end all IT couples in the universe??? THAT’S the suburban legend - the two of them together. I mean we STILL talk about Haylor today - Zach said in his reaction, Haylor is never over - them being together will never happen, and yet we still talk about it. Like an Urban Legend, but Haylor is a Suburban Legend. It makes total sense to me.

[@annaphallactic]

You are correct, I thought this was obvious too. And people who fully leave their suburban pasts behind tend not to attend their high school reunions because they have moved on, but Taylor and Harry can't move on due to their position in society. It's a much more interesting idea than they're giving it credit for.

[@jewdea]

They were Britney and Justin 💀

[@almeida5823]

Yess, finally someone who gets it. TAYLOR MUST BE HAPPY.

[@Ldlover]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@absv444]

It’s still stupid , just like that hose metaphor

[@Sherlocked.Loki-Swift]

I think that now that we don't talk is so short to give you the same feeling as cutting a relationship off before you've had closure. It's unsettling and will forever leave you wanting more.

[@theswiftologist]

yup

[@hambos]

well, now i can at least find a reason to my suffering when i listen to the track. Thank you🙏🏼 !!

[@GabrielaCenturionNeumann]

This is so good! I always thought it was genius to end it abruptly as the communication between them did too. There's nothing more to say because they don't talk anymore

[@myriam1777]

when i tell you I COLAPSED when I noticed that 'is it over now?' IS THE QUESTION SHE WAS ASKING ABOUT IN MIDNIGHTS

[@theswiftologist]

I KMNNNNNOOOOWWWWWW

[@M-qs8hu]

Is it though? 😮

[@KateCat420]

​@@theswiftologist I feel like the lines "all of your friends were making fun of you but 15 seconds later they were clapping too" makes sense in a slutshaming context - they were laughing at her but clapping for Harry because he 'got' her

[@macymiller3417]

FOR REALZ. I was like WTF IS QUESTION. It made no sense to me when Midnights released. I was like umm ok Tay tay. Now that Is It Over Now came out.. it all makes sense!! Putting it all together

[@vanteterosa]

WTFFFFFFF EVERYTHING IS TYING TOGETHER I LOVE BEING A HAYLOR 😭

[@KateCat420]

I'm so annoyed cause ive already seen people critisize the line "I think about jumping off of very tall somethings" because of the "message" it sends... like excuse me, this is the psychotic popstar I signed up for, stop trying to kill the vibe 😂

[@katiesays]

I was speculating that midnights may have been inspired, in part, by these vault tracks. I mean, she she did say that she and Jack stayed up late, visiting old memories and midnights past. Revisiting your old music is kind of a nice way to do that.

[@alexandrahcardona6380]

This interpretation makes so much sense!

[@theswiftologist]

girl you are onto something....

[@aaliyahfoster2705]

That's a good theory and I think it's very true that both projects intersected with one another at some time, like making two drawings at once. There's a lot of production choice similarities between the deep cuts on Midnights (3AM included) and the 1989 vault re-recordings like how Suburban Legends' intro is like Mastermind and Say Don't Go reminds me of The Great War at certain points. I wouldn't be surprised if Jack and Taylor decided to rework the "original rejects" to make them more of a reflective/current version of Taylor.

[@irenecatalavidal2674]

Yess, cause Suburban Legends Masterminds a LOT

[@rachelh5641]

About the midnights sound - i heard a theory that maybe she went in to the studio to re-record 1989 a while back and the sound they worked on resulted in a whole new album of ideas. So they decided to pause the 1989 rerelease and release midnights first. This would line up with the 1989 album being teased back in 2021 / early 2022 but then it went away and explain the crossovers in sound and subjects on Midnights and these vault tracks.

[@musicfangirl7403]

Yes I totally think the Midnights sound comes from reworking 1989. She had to delay the release because of the lawsuit about Shake it Off.

[@imawakemymindisalive13]

hot take: now that we don’t talk is, yes, a tragedy that it’s unfinished. but isn’t that the point? i think it’s representative of haylor

[@macymiller3417]

TRUE

[@alwaysoutlawed4462]

Also it must have been really weird for Taylor to go from old men pushing 30, to Harry who was basically still a teenager. I think it might have felt weird to have the situation with Jake kind of turned on its head - like, if Harry had been older and more secure, it might have changed everything.

[@Mrs.Currie]

"Old men pushing 30" 😮 But if someone says "old women pushing 30," then people's heads explode.

[@7991ot]

​@@Mrs.Currie I could be wrong but I think they mean "old" for Taylor cause she was 19-21 during those relationships

[@macymiller3417]

@@7991otYou are right. She was 19 and I think she was with a man that was like 29+ I forget exactly how old. Maybe even in 30’s.. thats old compared

[@7991ot]

@@macymiller3417 John Mayer was 32 and Jake was 29 when they dated Taylor😶‍🌫️

[@macymiller3417]

@@7991ot Thanks for clarifying! I couldn’t remember exactly🤣 They were a bit too old for her

[@summerchild_]

" I think about jumpin’. Off of very tall somethings " okay miss Bella Swan

[@shwetapandit2143]

In "where do broken hearts go" by 1D (written by Harry) Harry adresses that love is something he didn't hear enough so it took him some time to figure out. Also you need to listen to "I love you" by Alex and Seirra, it's written by Harry using his registered psuedonym "Mick greenberg" which shows that he did say i love you to Taylor, but it was late. Also listen to "him" and "trouble" both are unreleased songs written about their situation. These songs will complete the storyline

[@mems17]

I don't think I've ever been THIS early LMAO - I'm ready to be fed by my favourite snakes🐍

[@tayluvofficial]

Madeline dressed up as reputation means rep TV is coming!!!

[@Starbuxlvr1313]

@@tayluvofficialthere will be no explanation only Reputation🖤🐍🔥

[@TaterCot]

You are right, Haylor will NEVER be over, but I think that is partly by design...a concious choice on both their parts. There will always be unfinished business and unanswered questions betwen them and as much as I too would like to tie Harry to a chair and ask him the questions...and Taylor would too...I think they both get so, so much musical inspiration from the what ifs of it all. They get to write coded songs in response to each other and forever imagine what could have been, or even what actually WAS, if the questions remain unanswered.

[@EverGreenFoxy]

I really looove parallel between "I’m trying to see the cards that you won’t show" and "he can’t see it in my face but I’m about to play my Ace"

[@jon.callaghan4165]

Listen, say don't go may not be lyrically the deepest song she's ever written, but musically, it is a SERVE!! The vibes are immaculate, I can't get enough of it. Thank you Taylor and Diane Warren, I need them to work together again 🙏🏻 😊

[@theswiftologist]

the vibes ARE immaculate

[@philjan23]

I am from the opinion that this was probably what she intended to be track 05, but because it also gives one too many hints about Harry, it ended up being traded for something more generalist, in the effort to make the album a "city album" for anyone to relate to. But the choice of the producer, the A-HA vibes, the ad libs, the word repetitions, the arrow to the heart of a true track five, the fact it could easily fit cronologically after _Out 😊f the woods_ , completing a trio with _Style_, it's all there my dudes 🔎

[@GabrielaCenturionNeumann]

I actually loved that she did NTWDT so short. They don't talk anymore, there is nothing left to say. The song ends abruptly just like their communication did

[@nataliaflc]

Imagine if we had gotten Blank Space in the vault tracks? The absolute pandemonium of it all

[@KateCat420]

Omg we would never recover if she had kept that from us this long 😂

[@MiniKitty27]

bro that would be on par with keeping All 10 Well from us

[@b00bz123]

When I first heard the line “you dream of my mouth before it called you a lying traitor” in Is It Over Now? I was like 👀 😮 because it sounds so sexual, like?? If she had said “you dream of my lips” it conjures images of kissing, making out… but, my MOUTH?! Dear lord 😅 I know by 1989 it’s no secret but I was still like “our fairytale princess!?”

[@mariflix13]

Now that we dont talk reminded me of Betty... it's like Betty's perspective. "And I showed up at your party" says James... 😅😅 just like Suburban Legends... the high school feeling.

[@midnights3442]

Madeline is SERVING with her look

[@theswiftologist]

as usual!!

[@rb2908]

It's funny that in the AU where Blank Space was the vault track it would probably get the reverse reaction to Slut!. Instead of expecting bop and getting sad romance, people would speculate that it would be a sad, dreamy, romantic song based on the title and then it would've slapped us in the face as the satirical, funny BOP OF THE CENTURY that it was.

[@soupytho]

Can you make a Haylor playlist from all her albums!?!?!? that would slay

[@TaterCot]

And his!

[@jackielehman8945]

"Say dont go" is my fav vault, i love that the whole song is speaking to the pause/silence after she takes a chance and says she loves him... 💔 i thought that the door line was a bit literal but also having one foot out the door but she cant close it... the tight rope is her taking a chance on saying she loved him even though she knew there was no safety lines.... and of course its my fav style of TAS, the sad BOP. 🎉 Agreed tho lyrically, "Is it over now?" Has great lyrics and SO MUCH TEEEEA! om nom nom nom...

[@theswiftologist]

the last chorus of say dont go really hits soooo hard

[@jackielehman8945]

​​@@theswiftologist the heart ACHE felt around the world. #relatablequeen "you say nothing back" is going to be Taylor's "Everybody on mute!" - - - -

[@SN-bk5xj]

I love say don’t go!

[@amandabernardo2164]

From the dynamics that she paints on the songs, I can see a lot of myself. Taylor wanted a lot of validation and Harry was the ultimate trophy. He was wanted by everybody, therefore if he chose her that would be the dream, also the image of the power couple and the fantasy must have also been really alluring. She must have felt his unavailability and felt like that was a challenge, that she could eventually get to him, the exact same mistake that I did. It gets to a point where you cant no longer pretend that their inconsistency and inability to commit, really commit, doesn't hurt. I also declared myself and got a lukewarm response and decided that a lack of a strong yes was enough.

[@Starbuxlvr1313]

I just screamed out loud! Thank you so much for this video!!!! 💙💙💙💙I’m obsessed with “Now that we don’t Talk” and “Is it Over Now” that has to my absolute fav vault track ever!

[@theswiftologist]

thanks for watching!! yes those are the two GOATS

[@Starbuxlvr1313]

@@theswiftologist you’re welcome! Thank you for the reply! Made my day! 💙💙💙

[@adatadema]

Thanks to both of you! By the way, if you want to know Harry's feelings when they broke up, give a listen to his unreleased song "Him." I also believe that hearing that song when it leaked in 2022 was the trigger for Taylor to compose "Question...?". It's really emotional.

[@monsemora2964]

Also Olivia and I love you

[@Karensmusic292]

@@monsemora2964 There is no proof those songs are about Taylor. Here are quotes from Harry on why he kept "Two Ghosts" for his debut album: “I think some things are, just more like personal notes and they don’t feel like- I don’t know, sometimes if it’s a personal song, you don’t want anyone else to sing it." "’Two Ghosts’ I wrote for the band, for Made in the AM. But the story was just a bit too personal. As I started opening up to write my more personal stuff, I just became aware of a piece of me going, I want to sing the whole thing." He put "Olivia" on the album. He gave "I Love You" away. Everybody just wants all his love songs to be about Taylor. He dated other women.

[@monsemora2964]

@@Karensmusic292 I mean they could and could not be about her but he did write about her quite a lot in other songs also that could be because he didn't wanted to seem vulnerable back then with those songs so I mean everything could be and not be

[@shailstia9137]

babe, you are copy-pasting this same reply in every single video, embarrassing @@Karensmusic292

[@shailstia9137]

I think only gaylor/larries/or clueless GPs can say that "I love you" is not about Taylor. It literally has number 13 in it, along with multiple Taylor's song references, I think these vault tracks further prooves that "I love you" is about Taylor, bcz he talked about how he couldn't say it back when they were together in the song. @@monsemora2964

[@diaz9rox]

also say don't go is even sadder than all you had to do was stay in a way, because before she's saying "you literally just had to stay here and we could've been happy, i would've loved you" but then here she's saying "you don't even have to stay, just tell me not to go, i'll follow you, i'll stay with you". truly heartbreaking.

[@twobluestripes]

I would encourage you two, and everyone here in the comment section, to go back and read the profile on Taylor in Vanity Fair from 2013. In it, there is a detailed timeline of the Haylor relationship. I know that’s from a single source (“a friend” Taylor apparently authorized to speak on it to the reporter) and sometimes reporters make inaccurate statements, but DAMN if it’s not juicy. I don’t know how the fandom in general has forgotten about it, and I definitely don’t know why most of the rest of the media then continued to report on the relationship as being only a month or two long, going off of the times they were photographed together. Edit: also, judging based in the amount of average girls and fans spilling the tea in recent years about past hookups with celebs including Harry Styles, both during and after his 1D-era, he definitely was all about the chase in his teens/early twenties. And Taylor was smart to finally walk away even though it hurt. I would also imagine that it added to Taylor’s appeal to him that compared to picking up fans, she was much less accessible/attainable for him- she was not just 5 years older, but mostly at his level career-wise/fame-wise, and was in an intentionally-single period after a heartbreak lasting about a year.

[@theswiftologist]

Great tip for my upcoming haylor timeline video !!

[@TaterCot]

@@theswiftologist The video so many of us have been waiting for with bated breath! I feel like there should be a trailer for it and a press junket 😆 Give it the Eras Tour Movie treatment and wear Haylor outfits when it drops.I envision a LOT of blue dresses! 👗 dresses...when it drops

[@EmJaybird]

First episode I've heard and I have to say I love your chemistry. Such an easy and flowy conversation. And I love how you are so open to each others opinions. Loved it!

[@theswiftologist]

thank you so much hope you'll check out more !!

[@EmJaybird]

@@theswiftologist Just got done with your 1989 reaction video that I started after this haha. Loved your content for a while but I'm glad to have checked out the podcast too! You made me a swiftie! lol Her music isnt really for me so I never knew that much about her. I found your channel and started paying attention more because I find I love her personality and kind of "unpacking" her music. Thanks for all the great content! Your Born to die and NFR videos are also standouts to me of your really great videos. Keep up the wonderful work! Ok I'll stop yapping on. Have a great day!

[@aaliyahfoster2705]

Just heard Is It Over Now on my local radio station driving to Half Moon Bay for brunch and I now see and agree about the vision Taylor had when she wanted the re-recorded album to have more of a beach aesthetic. (It's wild 94.9 btw for anyone wondering, they've begun putting the song on rotation)

[@dakotalee6990]

“It sounds like it’s building up to something but it never gets there” regarding NTWDT - as soon as you said that I had the thought that it might be an intentional reflection of the relationship. Lost potential, unsatisfying ending, so much that “could’ve”.

[@theswiftologist]

good point!

[@Pippinpoppits]

How come no one ever mentions or talks about Harry's song "Him" which is 1000% about Taylor. He's not over her either! Is she? 😅

[@adatadema]

I agree. Perhaps they don't know it because they are not Harry fans, and it's a leaked song that hasn't received any promotion. It's a shame because it's amazing.

[@Pippinpoppits]

@@adatadema , I love that song so much!

[@noemi4x]

Let me tell you, as someone who had a situationship with a man who lived in a different continent and that took place in a span of time above 5 years the 1989 vault tracks are just telling my whole story. I don't condemn taylor for talking about Harry for so long even though the "real relationship" lasted so little... If the therapy I started going to in order to heal myself from the damage my situationship did to me taught me something is that falling in love with someone's potential is more affecting than angy other type of infatuation and it can and it will linger a lot... We are all mad in wonderland 😂

[@katherinechafian]

Also maybe the nights is a play on words and can be heard as keep my knights out of sight that connects to the maidens line …. Like the knight unbuttoned her blouse while he searched in every maidens bed …

[@jo_1989]

Is it Over Now? was my favorite on the first listen but as time went on I've started drifting towards Slut! a little more often. However, the "hips and thighs" line has always struck me as a line about media judging her body? She kept her love life shut up and tight while the guy is just flaunting who he's with every single day. All the while, because of her courtesy, all the media's talking about is how she looks (too thin, too skinny, not skinny enough, etc).

[@theswiftologist]

slut is also growing on me a lot!!

[@HaleyJeanASMR]

thank you for providing my essential hot girl walk entertainment. love y’all. NOW THAT WE DONT TALK SUPREMACY!! i just keep it on replay and listen twice every time 😭

[@theswiftologist]

Anything for you queen!!

[@katiegoodman9956]

Literally obsessed with this podcast! You and Madeline are such good energy!

[@theswiftologist]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@sociallyenginerd8846]

"Can I Ask You a Question?" -----> "Is it Over Now?" I think there's been a glitch.

[@spellhex6213]

Madeline’s look is GIVING!!!! She 4+4

[@theswiftologist]

speak on it...

[@lunal.8173]

In my opinion, the 1989 vault tracks are the best vault tracks BY A MILE! The 1989 TV release reminded me of how icon 1989 was/is. My favorite is Now That We Don't Talk. I agree with your criticism that the only flaw is it should be a longer song. I wish she would have written another pre chorus so it could have reached close to the 3 minute mark. I love the idea of thinking of an ex/having unanswered questions but then reminding yourself "well I guess it doesn't matter because we don't talk anymore". The relatable heartbreak! I also wonder if she was reminded of Joe while rerecording this? I agree the song is about Harry, but I don't know if her and Joe are even friendly anymore. I can see this song representing Joe as well since she talks about someone slowly losing interest which made me think of You're Losing Me.

[@tiffylew]

I didn’t go through every single comment so idk if someone else pointed this out but Taylor does a lot of jumping off of very tall something’s in the out of the wood video. I love how that theme got carried over to the video !

[@Leilanassiri]

This is exactly what I thought . This relationship was a lot deeper than we all thought and she confirmed it by these vault tracks also I don’t think that that was only two months I really think they dated after that in 2014 2015

[@martasorangeberry]

it was obvious from the original tracks to being with. They clearly break up and make up a few times from the lyrics, so it was a situationship for a longer period of time.

[@theswiftologist]

queendom

[@soemmasays]

They absolutely did not date in 2014 or 2015. 😭😭 It's well known who they were with during those time periods and there is no proof that they were together. Fans just WANT them to have been together. They were talking over like six months in 2012 while both were seeing other people, dated for three months, and were over in January 2013. It's so weird that you guys take these songs and try to rewrite history. There can have been a lot of feelings and a situationship without fans inventing that it lasted for years when it very clearly did not.

[@shailstia9137]

Girl Taylor ddn't date ANYONE for two years, she was single in 2014, and so was Harry. Taylor started dating Calvin is 2015, and Harry literally denied that he was dating anyone the entire 2014. And Style Bridge is literally about them hooking up after being with OTHER people, and mind you she is talking about 2014 LONG HAIR HARRY in that song, you are in deep denial if you think NOTHING was going on after the break up. @soemmasays @@soemmasays

[@februaryone5923]

I thought I was the only one who thought their relationship was not only for the 3 months. The song "Style " and " I Know Places" practically says that had a relationship away from the public eye. Hello!!! She has a private jet.

[@mgabss]

Did I already listen to this? Yes. Am I going to watch it again? Yes. BTW, the Lizard's makeup is bellisimoooo

[@elizabethgrant6018]

Can't even explain how much I adore your channel. This is something I've been CRAVING for for all 10 years in the fandom not even knowing I needed it lol. Good luck!

[@psaat7836]

Guys guys... I'm watching your analysis and shouting alone as if I were participating in your conversation (by the way, you are both super funny and I love you). You're missing an important detail here, where she is EVEN MORE OBVIOUS in responding to Harry. He wrote a song for the 1D album "Midnight Memories" that come out in the time she was working on 1989... The one I make reference is "Something Great" and, while the guy isn't a poet, or wasn't one 9 years ago, she is SUPER direct in answering to him on "Is it over now?" Check out his lyrics: Something Great ... One day, you'll come into my world and say it all You'll say we'll be together even when you're lost One day, you'll say these words I've thought, but never said You'll say we're better off together in our bed I want you here with me Like how I pictured it So I don't have to keep imaginin' (Oh) Come on, jump out at me (Oh-oh)

[@Sky-yu6ii]

are you planning to make a video deep diving into the haylor lore like you did with her and katy perry? :)

[@theswiftologist]

ABSOLUTELY

[@TaterCot]

@@theswiftologist ah! It's already my favorite episode and you haven't even made it yet. If I had no other reason to live another day, you would have just given me one!

[@sophiasatae5562]

Yesss pleaseeee!!! 😂

[@smileymarta99]

These new songs about Haylor have also got me wondering if other songs are about their relationship, especially 'Hits Different' now seems like it has a similar vibes to these vault songs, with all the dramatizing of the relationship, the line "I pictured you with other girls in love, then threw up on the street" especially reminds me of new lines on is it over now

[@sarahmcdonough2307]

Thank you so much for this!!! 🙌 I thought it was interesting in Now That We Don't Talk that she said "remind myself how you made it before I left" and "broke my own heart because you were too polite to do it" i think with other Haylor songs we kind of assumed he left her. Also when Madeline talked about the blue dress on a boat line as being a bit random and only good because we know exactly what she's talking about, i think the blue dress fits because she's talking about colours in that section with the white snow, red blood, blue dress. It's not her best songwriting for sure, but it does make sense, and the fact that she was able to say so little and have us all KNOW exactly what she meant was genius! Hearing those songs, I definitely think he inspired other songs in later albums. I love that we got a deeper look into how she really felt about Harry. Haylor is never over!!!

[@macymiller3417]

Love this! Can I ask what other songs you think are about Harry? Like later ones. I’m always so curious what other people think🤣

[@melanygomez613]

You two really are Taylor historians, I always learn so much!

[@HolyGround777]

Super cool hearing both perspectives of suburban legends, I had only thought about it in the same way as Zack. Either way Taylor is the queen of a double entendre and I love her for it, I mean the ‘hit the breaks too soon’ definitely has a double meaning, it really shows her ability as a writer. Thank you guys for the video ❤️

[@theswiftologist]

[@philjan23]

Oh, my God, YES

[@fvm220]

I feel like the reason Now That We Don't Talk is meant to be short because that's how she felt about the relationship. It was short and enjoyable. She wanted more but then it just ended. It feels unfinished because she felt the relationship was unfinished.

[@sofaphie]

The fact this posted while i was listening to 1989 tv

[@um7239]

I’ve been binge listening to the evolution of a snake for the past 2 days and it’s so good yall have so many good points that I never thought about and it’s so educational for newer Swifties like me because I joined the fandom in 2019 there’s so many things I didn’t know about before and I’m not really a podcast girly because it’s hard for my autism to just listen to something with no visuals and understand everything but it’s so good this is really convincing me to get more into podcasts

[@R777shel]

I love @charlottebellas4166 comment!!! About the second verse 31:31 I was thinking something similar -- She is clearly stating that she fantasizes about them ending up together and surprising everybody, showing they made it through after all. Also I get why she chose a school scenario as the metaphor, usually relationships that start in schools are doomed to fail, but once in a while you get that one couple that was able to make it and surprises everyone by still being together at the school reunion. So she is saying she dreams about them doing it as well. Relationships between young celebrities are often think of being doom to fail as well so she fantasizes with them being that rare couple that made it through, that he would be more than a chapter in her old diaries!!! Like, I thought it was obvious!!

[@lexirob12]

Been waiting for someone to really breakdown these, so thank you for really digging in! One somewhat important factor that contributes to maybe some the mismatched dynamic of her and Harry though might be that she was 22-23 and he was 18-19 so even though it’s not massive it’s very developmentally mismatched and I’m sure showbiz muddles that too because they were both treated as adults even when they were children. But those are both pivotal and tough ages to morph through and they were having different career and life experiences at that time. So just a different component to consider.

[@theswiftologist]

ooooh so true!!

[@rembbokie]

Love your channel, I started listening to your podcast and the chemistry between the two of you is really amazing! Really funny while still being critical & informative. Didn’t expect a Kpop mention it jumpscared me a little I won’t lie 😭 As a Kpop fan I always wondered if you’d talk about that industry in any capacity

[@danichiong6727]

Already listened to the pod (love the lyrical breakdown I hope you two do more of this) but it’s so fun seeing you guys too! Madeline’s makeup slays like always

[@camilledammasch3648]

Lol definitely not, she looks like a 3 year old who got into her mums make-up case

[@Susiehighschool]

I WAS SEARCHING EVER PHRASE ON KZbin LAAASSST NIGHTTT FOR HOURS TO FIND THIS EXACT VIDEO!!!!!! BLESS YOU!!! I’m so freaking glad I recently found you’re channel! You are the absolute most! It’s like you have psychic powers to know what we want & need! I’m officially obsessed & will binge all your video from hereto after ❤ ❤ 👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑👑

[@Susiehighschool]

PS. how do I find this other lovely historian Madeline? Forgive me, even though I’ve been a listener since teardrop on my guitar, my superfanism only started it’s journey at evermore & it has only recently graduated to deep diving lore & Easter eggs. I really need the juice on Haylor as well. I’m only 3 mins in so if anything I’ve asked is conveyed in the video, my apologies, my excitement overwhelmed me immediately! Thanks you two ❤ & to all fellow swifties I’ve found and followed on the way. If anyone has any more recommendations for my journey even if it’s/they’re on tik tok etc, please do tell!

[@user-fw6dd2wh9p]

Looove to hear your opinions and analysis always, you make song lyrics so interesting and you put a huge effort on it 💙💙 Just a reminder that he was 19, had the whole world watching and judging everything he did and had a terrible management being horrible to him and forcing him to do things he never wanted to do, and he went through a lot when everyone called him a womanizer at the time.

[@swiftlyabbyy]

MADELINE LOOKS STUNNING OMFG

[@FreyaFreyaWillow]

Am I the only one who thinks that Question sounds like a track from the 1989 vault? Both the music and the production, but especially the lyrics. It's like sister for Is It Over Now and I Wish You Would.

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

As soon as I listened to "Is It Over Now?" I knew it would be the track that Zach would love the most and his reaction to that track proved me right. I loved that the vault tracks gave me a peek behind the curtain of the Haylor ship. I was never a fan of their relationship, but I am definitely a fan of the songs that came out of it, at least on Taylor's part. I think my favorite vault track thus far is either "Say Don't Go" or "Suburban Legends." I love both of those tracks for very different reasons.

[@HereForGoodVibes]

Love you guys energy! Finally got a chance to watch a full episode. Will be following on spotify!

[@loud_hailer6240]

I think people might miss the lyric "And when it came to you" before "I didn't come here to make friends" I think she is talking about her intentions with him. And it ties back to Now That We Dont Talk "I cant pretend its platonic"

[@wolfpackgaming1383]

What’s really interesting with that I broke my own heart because you weren’t too nice to do it line. Is that from what I’ve heard British people are more casually rude to people they like, and potentially care about her and the more polite they are to you the more they actually don’t like you at all. So maybe part of the break up was Harry being extremely polite to her, because he really didn’t love her, and Taylor didn’t understand that because she was not versed in British culture.

[@theswiftologist]

also an interesting perspective!!

[@pawelbolek7419]

So interesting from an anthropological perspective and there's definitely something to it

[@M-qs8hu]

I agree with Zach on this. It’s a cultural thing, and Harry comes across as the stereotypical well mannered-gentleman British boy everyone thinks is “so nice”. But that is not incompatible with being immature and avoidant. If you listen to his songs ab her (alleged) the feeling is that she was full on, he was not into it and then when she left he fell for her and she was like not now. At some point though from her songs there’s also the message of getting back together later on. Like, not working now cos of or being too young, or fame demands but we will be together in the future. It’s in his songs (something great by 1D which she references with the something greater lyric) and also when she says “When you told me we'd get back together” and after the 300 dates “ I was hoping you'd be there And say the one thing I've been wanting”. At some point there was talk of getting back together and My interpretation is that she gets upset with him for sleeping around so publicly instead of sticking to their plan of being discreet and together in the future. It could also have been wishful thinking from both parts.

[@freesoulseb]

made my Sunday evening 😩 thank you for your service 💖

[@diaz9rox]

i feel like the lyrics "handprints in wet cement" could be taken two ways, like I've seen people say it's like when you make handprint impressions in cement as like a memento "love to think you'll never forget" etc, but i feel like it's calling back to the "moonlit swimming pool" and the handprints in wet cement are wet hand prints on the cement from them kissing/fooling around poolside, does that make sense?

[@mangotango2286]

I have been waiting for thisssss thank you ❤❤

[@theswiftologist]

thanks for watching!!

[@melodysimpson3242]

madeline is always serving LOOKS

[@cvalent5]

Lol that aggressive hand heart 🫶

[@theswiftologist]

we had to ...

[@blancacrespomorancho4335]

Great video as always!

[@musicfangirl7403]

The way this entire series of vault tracks points back to the main album and Midnights and THEN points right back around to Harry’s first solo album is just crazy. Right down to weird animal sound on Is it Over Now? My first thought was of that stupid “duck” sound on Harry’s song Woman. Like are they just quacking at each other now? I will never get tired of this back and forth.

[@Wealthjoyandabundance]

The sheer DEPTH of your combined knowledge - amazing!!❤

[@alarmingtadpole4213]

YASSS IM SO EARLY AND SO READY FOR THIS VID!!! love you guys ❤🐍

[@MermaidCore_]

As always: INCREDIBLE content from the snakes!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@l.yssa5]

vault songs were not what i was expecting but still so good

[@theswiftologist]

tea

[@um7239]

I was kinda disappointed at slut at first because I was expecting a cuntier version of blank space but it still slaps so hard

[@Laura-gu7yv]

Just wanted to say something, it seems very intentional that Now That We Don’t Talk is so short. The abrupt end of the song gives more meaning to the “shrouded mystery” lyric. It leaves us wanting more, it’s mysterious.

[@Lucyfrmearth]

Suburban Legends reminds me of “and I wake with your memory over me. That’s a real fuckn legacy.”

[@summerchild_]

I really like the Speak Now Vault tracks. The collabwith fall out boy, Foolish one stop checking your mailbox, the song for Emma Stone idk I love them

[@theswiftologist]

good for you queen!

[@summerchild_]

@@theswiftologist I enjoy watching your channel cause you hate all the Taylor songs I like and vice versa; I if i had to make a decision based on your review of something I would pick whatever you hated the most knowing it's gonna ve my fav

[@um7239]

@@summerchild_same

[@Joyousnessify]

Okayokayokayhearmeout YOU don't walk out of a door and get on a tight rope. I don't either, but SHE does. She doesn't step out her door onto solid ground, but straight into the paps and fans and media. 👀👀👀

[@TaterCot]

Interesting take on that lyric!

[@charlesxcx]

The only taylor podcast i listen to!

[@Sam_dea]

Say Don’t Go is BEGGING for a pop goes punk version

[@theswiftologist]

interesting...

[@mrhussain9008]

You know whats the funniest thing about 1989 and Haylor references, its the fact that people are actually surprised when theres haylor references, outside bad blood and welcome to new York and maybe one or two other tracks, every other song is in some way about Harry. Im pretty sure the album cover itself is a haylor reference or even the name of the album (yes i know its 1989 😂😂), but trust there's something about haylor in those things too. Boring relationship imo, but for some reason Taylor loves making a song about that British guy with the curly hair.

[@anastasiak6111]

The school reunion is a metaphor for the fact that they, like former schoolchildren, met at various awards. All the songs (and the artists who released those songs) from 2012 came together at the Grammys 2013, for example. Artists met each other only at the big awards mostly. But this is just my interpretation...

[@hopehurley1151]

i've been saying that the vault tracks on 1989 tv tell a story. they go through the phases of a relationship i feel like. it's cool and i love the way she sequenced them.

[@mincej79]

Love this video! I want more of THIS❤

[@theswiftologist]

thank you!!

[@greenfox42]

I love how intelligent y’all are about this! ❤

[@animal7326]

I love that you said you think harry did eventually say I love you back because he did. He wrote a song called “I love you” for Alex and Sierra. And the 1D song Where Do Broken Hearts Go he references it “I wrote you a song with the words you spoke”. And the I Love You song has references to August. “You ran your finger down my back and you spelled out your name, we laid there in the soft warm ground for a week and thirteen days” “your back beneath the sun, wishing I could write my name on it”. And the week & 13 days part is 7+13=20. 20 is a Haylor number.

[@kitschesque]

YEEEES Let them girlies know what the podcast is worth!!!

[@missmoonchild3865]

Omg Zach thank you for this!

[@jsam78]

Fully LOLed at Madeline’s aggressive hand heart

[@dreamchaser7603]

I’m living for this Haylor deep dive in!! I completely agree- if you like Easter eggs, be a Haylor 😂 P.S. I’m convinced Harry is the prototype for Folklore’s James and it continues in Evermore. Right where you left me, Gold rush- Harry Styles✨

[@perfect0nly]

"You taught me a secret language I can't speak with anyone else" - dialogue through songs maybe?

[@KateCat420]

​@@perfect0nly Ohhh that line could be fir Harry - I don't think the song is though because of the 'don't call me kid' line (Harry was younger than her)

[@KateCat420]

​@@perfect0nly BUT I do see the vision 👀✨️

[@februaryone5923]

@@KateCat420 Hope you don't mind me butting in here but I think Harry is the one she is calling kid. In plain words she is telling Harry not to call her( because her love for him is making her do silly things) then she softens the words by calling him Baby.

[@shailstia9137]

"You showed me colors I can't see with anyone else"= "Painted all my nights a color I've searched for since"= "We were screaming colors" this can't be a coincidence

[@katielarussa4138]

Moment of appreciation for Madeline's makeup slaying the house down boots

[@brookelouise1561]

The return of the lizard! This is going to be good!

[@theswiftologist]

always a good time when the lizard makes an appearance

[@M-qs8hu]

When I heard “I slept all alone you still wouldn’t go” … my mind went straight to “And I wake with your memory over me, That's a real fu**ing legacy, legacy (it was maroon)”…. 😮 Harry bloody Styles. Maroon Haylor confirmation. 😅 ITS NEVER OVER. Love your videos!! ❤

[@brittanyparistx]

18:55 : this is actually why I LOVE the production of now that we don’t talk. It feels like there’s something more coming but it ends abrubtly and you hear the echo fade out a little slower. I think it’s the perfect musical expression of the lyrics if that makes sense. Suddenly, we don’t talk anymore but I still hear the echo of what we were until that fades away completely too.

[@sophiasatae5562]

45:06 There’s a lyric in grape juice by Harry that says “I didn’t respect you” or something like and that remind when you said that he didn’t respect her by going out with another models in public. 😢

[@tammycombs167]

To show my love I went and have every comment a thumbs up and of course I’m subscribed and as always I hit the thumbs up!!!!!! 🔥🔥❤️❤️