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@luishurtado58892 жыл бұрын
Yea hey should add checkpoints to the missions lol
@ljanitza2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it is worth it but maybe you could record diffrent abilities so you can compare them if things get nerfed or buffed
@an0maly5k272 жыл бұрын
Push to talk needs to be implemented and made the default setting. Most people disable the default open mic setting so there is zero communication between survivors except for the one weirdo every now and then who keeps jabbering on and on and thinks they know what to do, but they don't lol. Being able to type to your team is another basic feature absent from the game. Not so much a big deal for console players but a glaring omission for PC users.
@SwingPoynt2 жыл бұрын
PTT yesterday plz
@saihiko99672 жыл бұрын
They also need to update the UI to show teammates weapon types, ammo types,and their med number, be nice to know my healer needs meds or my hunter needs pistol ammo.
@happilyisolated2 жыл бұрын
@@KenericTheGeneric YES. I'll ping like mad I need stuff and nobody cares. Or I'll drop amulets for supports and they ignore the pings. People need to pay attention -_-
@Goblin33652 жыл бұрын
How will u do that on console? All buttoms are already used for other things?
@christianolivarez90492 жыл бұрын
I bet you’re that one weirdo in the game that’s why no one talks to you
@libertyprime93072 жыл бұрын
I notice Cheryl will now be cancelled out of her active ability if she gets hit during it. It puts it on the full cooldown, which is super punishing. You basically can't risk trying to use it in combat anymore.
@SwingPoynt2 жыл бұрын
oooo that's spicy
@rayharris92702 жыл бұрын
It did that for me before the patch lol
@Goblin33652 жыл бұрын
Thats gonna ruin her Way too much imo, plus the healing nerf!!
@happilyisolated2 жыл бұрын
Good. Now Cheryls need to think before using it. So many of them would use it for free while being swarmed with no cares in the world. Now they'll have to think twice.
@letsgetbetterfrank61522 жыл бұрын
Honestly her shems should be fine for in combat but I’ve already seen her as an after battle recovery healer while S-ash is an in battle support for fear and keeping the team afloat in battle with only shems for after battle
@sunsetfuzz2 жыл бұрын
Some key things that would just improve the game: push to talk, staying in party lobbies with friends after a match, chat in party lobby, character skill tree access in party lobby and at character selection, auto rotate map by default (not as important). Overall, i love the game and it am looking forward to more updates.
@captaincvo2 жыл бұрын
The heal nerf on ED1 Ash was fine, but the reason it was op was BECAUSE of the animation cancel, to get the heavy attack spam heals. Removing animation cancel fixes it, I don't see why they doubled down and adjusted the heal value to be lower D :
@davidboites94732 жыл бұрын
Ash’s nerf was unnecessary. After the patch I’ve noticed that he feels like he no longer has a passive. What’s the point of playing support when your heals don’t heal? A pixel of healing isn’t helping anybody!
@shadowkilla20122 жыл бұрын
Support ash is useless now he’s unplayable. He’s not going to be part of the meta now for winning lol. They ruin him.
@bagginbrooks65732 жыл бұрын
I can't believe they nerfed the survivors and didn't nerf any of the demons. As a Necromancer main I will have even more of my way.
@darkcroos95362 жыл бұрын
Ist klar. Der Dämon ist ein Witz allein das Jäger dein Boss mit 2 Treffer töten können
@perrywilliamson62562 жыл бұрын
Nice, I'm happy they kept the Dodge cancel and finisher cancel. Eligos lightning was annoying to play against. The other demon cancels are fine to me, not a real huge game changer.
@dutchmasterssss39022 жыл бұрын
I love how you break down everything that changed thanks man I appreciate the tips and tricks from you. Hope your day is going good swing
@Mr-Geist-Bong2 жыл бұрын
after thinking some more about animation cancelling my opinion has changed. i think the eligos exploit needed to be nerfed but animation cancelling seemed needed on surv. I've noticed that it's nearly impossible to pull off heavy attacks on surv without the use of it. you get stunned before the attack will hit. mainly with 1 speed weapons.
@ggss53752 жыл бұрын
I can agree
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
See, but it would go for all weapons, which is what made it broken. 1 speed trades off with damage
@shadowkilla20122 жыл бұрын
Survivors definitely took a big L on this patch. And support industrial strength is still broken. The Demons mains Took a W with this one.
@BIGSWOLEXL2 жыл бұрын
Exactly it’s worse when necro is already OP as it is
@ronallen48772 жыл бұрын
Exactly, Evil Ash is OP and nothing was done with him or any of the other demons. Lol wtf
@truebacon1332 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with Industrial strength?
@BunnychanFarabee2 жыл бұрын
Who gives a crap about supports when you can play Amanda and have infinite dodges and insane headshot damage, and just drop your gun when your fear gets high?
@truebacon1332 жыл бұрын
@@BunnychanFarabee Amanda has a cap of 7 dodges if you put max points in Stamina/dodge perks plus max level stamina in game like all hunters. only exception being Kelly since she does have infinite dodges for the 7 seconds or so her ult lasts.
@schlitzy-10312 жыл бұрын
I'm thrilled with how they handled the animation canceling. The nerf to Cheryl I think was a bit too much. Nerfing the cooldown and heals per second seems a bit harsh. I would have preferred to see one or the other. The nerf to sAsh seems unnecessary, but I haven't played him much so I may be off point. Regardless, I'm happy they're addressing things the community are concerned with so quickly.
@superiorgogeta35142 жыл бұрын
The nerf to Cheryl is ridiculous. No need for that. That healing she does isn’t even a lot and she just got shot on all fronts. Really hope this game doesn’t become one sided
@skylerfreeman11732 жыл бұрын
@@superiorgogeta3514 It already IS one sided. Survivors are busted silly. The devs themselves have stated multiple times that the survivors SHOULD win 80% of the time, they have the tools and if people finally learn to just go in 2's or stay together, there isn't much a demon can do Especially with the insane supports lol. They WANT the survivors to be stronger, its a part of the lore literally. Whether we like it or not, thats just the way they want their game designed. Despite personal experience (i've won most of my demon matches) I can definitely see once survivors learn to not troll, it'll be really easy for them to win.
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
She was able to full heal her team twice in 3 minutes, and could do it without risk. I do however agree that canceling her healing animation and putting it on cool down is unfair though.
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
@@skylerfreeman1173 Finally someone with a brain.
@kingamongmen74552 жыл бұрын
If you played demon you see why Cheryl was broken. If survivors stuck together it's almost unwinnable for the demon.
@Dyl4n20012 жыл бұрын
Cheryl’s nerf was way too much, way to fast. I expected a nerf but both cool-down and healing overall is a lot to nerf especially on a 30 second increase
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
She was able to full heal a team twice every 3 minutes and was able to do so with no risk. This is a fair nerf.
@YJL1862 жыл бұрын
@@TheDeadzon3 i think a better choice would have been to nerf the healing strength and leave the cooldown or vice versa. shes still good obviously but with the state of how strong demon is i think they went a little overboard with her nerf.
@shadowkilla20122 жыл бұрын
@@YJL186 you can’t even use industrial strength on support maxed out 4/4 because it’s bugged out lol.
@YJL1862 жыл бұрын
@@shadowkilla2012 yikes i didnt even know that
@theguywhoasked14832 жыл бұрын
It's a pretty fair nerf IMO.
@BunnychanFarabee2 жыл бұрын
Hunter stamina and damage needs to be looked at. Low fear isn't a counter because you can simply drop your weapon if your fear gets high. Kelly is already insane. Vehicles are still too common. There's no point in dumping your energy bar to possess a vehicle when there's one 20 feet away in most cases. Balance bar damage needs...well, balancing. Even without AC, shovels and sledgehammers are just broken right now.
@stephenkirkwood35442 жыл бұрын
Why don't they just make the game unplayable for survivors, take away everything so the demon gets an easy win.
@shadowsintox92 жыл бұрын
@@stephenkirkwood3544 Oh shut the fk up. Hunter stamina can stay but the damage is way too high. I literally two shot an eligos before, you think that's ok? Yes there are way too many cars. It's pretty stupid. And until the R3 gets changed a bit, where A.I. doesn't lose aggro or survivors can take like 2% damage, ya balance bar damage Is a bit of a problem.
@foxross44682 жыл бұрын
@@stephenkirkwood3544 I don't think changing vehicle placement in some areas is a big ask or one that damages survivors. I rarely feel vehicles have hindered a game for me as a demon, but I've seen some downright silly vehicle placements.
@dre1602 жыл бұрын
@@stephenkirkwood3544 survivors need to be a unit. I should be beat by a team not some guy blasting out 54k damage while his team barely hit 12k
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
@@stephenkirkwood3544 You really don't understand the state of the game, do you? It's heavily survivor favored, and the devs have admitted it
@JuniAku2 жыл бұрын
My poor Cheryl. I felt like her 60 second heal cooldown was a little too long. 120 seconds now!? Sheesh.
@RJMCA2 жыл бұрын
It shouldn’t be a mindless heal
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
90 seconds* Also if you did the math, you could full heal your team twice in 3 minutes while being immune to damage and unable to be cancelled. Now you can heal for about 75% each use and can be fairly hit out of it. The only thing I'll say is unfair is that being hit out of it puts the ability on full cool down.
@unicornmilk61582 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up Devs! It's great to know the community's findings are being heard and considered!
@Captdrax2 жыл бұрын
But can't get xbox patch ya there amazing
@oneplushydude2 жыл бұрын
@@Captdrax they patched it on all devices, wouldn’t make sense to just patch PC and PS4/5
@theguywhoasked14832 жыл бұрын
@@Captdrax There is a patch. Buy Playstation.
@omengod12 жыл бұрын
As a demon player im happy to see the cheryl/ s ash nerfs. that double support combo was one of the biggest threats to me. however my win rate is like 80% so maybe demons didnt need that much help lol
@skylerfreeman11732 жыл бұрын
Game is barely a month old. Gamers gotta learn to not troll on survivor lol. Survivors are indeed busted AND the fact there are comms IN GAME makes it even worse. This will turn into survivor steam roll very soon. Right now i'm a demon main though and have an amazing winrate as well but I can definitely tell people don't know what they're doing yet.
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
@@skylerfreeman1173 The meta is clearly 2 supports, a hunter, and a warrior. The fact that as a demon player who never played as a survivor, I can recognize this shows how little survivors think. Cheryl is stupidly tanky and can still win games on her own, it just requires skill now. People tend to forget that if a demon only focuses one player, the other 3 can decimate said demon in seconds and get the revive and full team heal off.
@shadowkilla20122 жыл бұрын
@@TheDeadzon3 2 supports and a Hunter with one warrior isn’t going to win you a sweaty try hard demon. If you think otherwise. Custom me. Add me Shadowgod-x- prove me wrong.
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
@@shadowkilla2012 I'm a demon main. Pretty sure running both Cheryl and ash hard wins if the survivors are actually good. We both know the game is heavily survivor favored; even the devs have said so.
@MrNobody-fk7fc2 жыл бұрын
What REALLY sucks is suffering consequences for getting stuck under a stairwell, or on a bridge as a demon, left with no option but to back out of the game, and being banned for quitting!
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
I got stuck inside a shopping container and had to waste my boss spawn just to escape. Survivors got a free dagger out of it and I was barely able to win by downing them.
@superiorgogeta35142 жыл бұрын
I had a lot to say but I’m just keep it to myself. Hopes this game doesn’t turn into a re3 resistance or DBD game where killers are in control of the game. Really hope the developers think about what survivors need as well. Cheryl getting that nerfed practically has made her unplayable. We take too long to use colas and amulets and that was our only line of defense and y’all remove that. As I stated really hope this isn’t a one sided ass game
@Dementhis2 жыл бұрын
With the patch installed I've still experienced getting stuck in random places as survivor. Getting attacked seems to consistently get you unstuck but it's a bit frustrating. Also experienced the "being revived" bug post patch where it just says that on a characters icon and you can't see your health bar and also freezes your minimap in place.
@Kazan05052 жыл бұрын
Once again appreciate the coverage! It is really tough as a demon with them clearing minions in a couple seconds using A/C and Cheryl has been massively tanky. Cheers
@chrism63472 жыл бұрын
I’ve only played demon so far and been getting my ass handled to me for the most part.
@BIGSWOLEXL2 жыл бұрын
A/C?
@Kazan05052 жыл бұрын
@@BIGSWOLEXL animation canceling
@Kazan05052 жыл бұрын
@@chrism6347 biggest priority is finding the survivors early like swing mentions, then getting your threat level up as fast as possible
@Kazan05052 жыл бұрын
@Pabs I have had matches where she's just healing non stop, its not all the time but when someone has her build durable it's a lot to take her down
@kcgost2702 жыл бұрын
Another excellent breakdown. Surprised about the ash nerf as I saw him as the weakest support .I'm glad the dodge and finisher cancel stayed in on both sides as well because they felt balanced and intended. All and all good patch
@snaps_33982 жыл бұрын
The cancellation on a swing even tho they took it off, ash was nerf so much bc he was the one people used to heal spam. Glad I don’t feel overpowered. Yet now I took his sister and even tho she got nerf she is still so strong.
@Dethckr12 жыл бұрын
It irks me immensely when the unit I possess gets the balance bar broken and it fills back up but they just stay stunned . I was also glad to see the hacks getting addressed was getting one shot with a max level boss and that's not cool.
@timparks98332 жыл бұрын
I see nothing but improvements here. I also think finisher canceling should stay the same. It gives you I-frames, but your DPS slows down for the finisher animation. Seems like a fair trade, and just adds more strategy. Do the finisher for defense, or just swing, so you can quickly swing again on the next enemy. Compare that to aim-canceling, where 2 survivors could melt a boss before they get 2-3 attacks off.
@Mali80292 жыл бұрын
The cheat I see the most is the one that ends games instantly for survivors. Edit: I would want them to fix finishers on high/low ground its so buggy and inconsistent than most times you will just straight up not get a prompt, melee hits miss as well when on high/low ground creating dumb situations where you are stuck on some stairs or something and you can't hit the enemies.
@WallyBChamp2 жыл бұрын
Gawd I had a match with a dagger/pages literally next to a dug hole in the ground, it was stupid chaotic
@evanersesian19492 жыл бұрын
Ya there’s a new bug in the game when ur warrior Ash u use ur ultimate while u go down the stairs in the fishing village you start flying in the air and can’t get back down I just found this out when I was playing Ash warrior it was funny but stupid Bc I couldn’t get down
@bamsannen2 жыл бұрын
Hoping they reconsider Sash nerf, F cancel is a strong tool in survivors hands, so I hope they keep it to some extent, but maybe buff balance bars a bit or something? It feels like a lot of weapons unbalance in one hit which I I admit IS fun, but I digress.
@EvanSnowWolf2 жыл бұрын
Support Ash was ALREADY nerfed due to animation cancel. Adding the 10 point loss was kicking him when he was down.
@McSchwanger2 жыл бұрын
Puke canceling is legit, you are putting both your puke and your dash on cooldown, plus you actually have to hit with the puke. It's strong, but it gives utility to a move that wouldn't otherwise be very good and gives some counterplay to survivors just running around and stalling
@shadowkilla20122 жыл бұрын
Your dodge cooldown isn’t that long 😂 and yes it’s strong. Once you puke on the survivor they cant dodge or run for 5 seconds. Free hits
@McSchwanger2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowkilla2012 Sure but you're using up the dodge you might need to dodge the three other players getting to your target. Puke cooldown is 20 seconds and it's not very often you get more than one per possession. If you land the puke you get free hits, yes, it rules
@DarksteelHeart2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I hope they fixed all the animation cancelling tech. I'm pumped that they are listening and fixing bugs and cheats. Thank you for the coverage, SwingPoynt. Edit: they fixed an issue with synchronized achievements? I wonder if that means you won't get survivor achievements if you have a survivor possessed.
@MdayRabbit2 жыл бұрын
it was bug on playstation that made it so you couldn’t see other people’s achievements
@DarksteelHeart2 жыл бұрын
@@MdayRabbit oh ok. So you can still get survivor achievements if you possess a survivor while they get the achievement. Nice!
@wesleynogues45272 жыл бұрын
As far as I've heard, the only cancels left are henrietta's basic puke cancel with the dodge, and cancelling swings with dodges on survivor.
@DarksteelHeart2 жыл бұрын
@@wesleynogues4527 joy. Survivor sided already.
@hollow15852 жыл бұрын
Real curious if this means I can finally get my "Win as a Demon without possessing a boss". I have won at least 5 matches where I didn't even put points into boss or elite and it still never popped. I gave up after a while due to believe it was bugged somehow.
@azrasashima37332 жыл бұрын
to the puking thing as long as its cancelling it after the damage or the damage it cut based on how long u do it is fine. completely cancelling out a lengthy animation while still dealing max damage with it is not.
@hollow15852 жыл бұрын
That is how it works. If you dodge out to cancel you lose out on possible damage due to it being a tick based damage and not an instant hit for all damage. The real prize isn't the damage though its the inability to dodge/run. Spawn a basic, hit Q, puke on the group, dodge to them and start swinging.
@GameUpOG2 жыл бұрын
I liked frame canceling at least on the survivor side because it felt like a more skill based fighting. Smash brothers had omitting similar that people used in high end play.
@ggss53752 жыл бұрын
Ya I can agree
@SceneFreaks66612 жыл бұрын
Honestly I can understand the Animation canceling patch but what I don't understand is why they nerfed Cheryl. She is literally the only good healer in the game and her ability taking 80 seconds was already long enough. It was just right. Now you might as well write off ever using it at all and just horde shemps all match. They could have at the very least made her ability do MORE healing for having to wait so long for it. Im pretty sure Cheryl also has a wider range of healing with cola and amulets than the rest of the support class does. You have to be touching noses for that to work with pablo or ash. 120 second wait time and it won't even heal you or teammates to full health when you use it. I get more healing out of 2 shemps than that worthless thing provides for the whole damn match.
@boomknight10152 жыл бұрын
Also I found a bug, where if you try to lunch yourself into a car moving away from you, you can end up clipping into it and getting stuck of survs don't move the car. I don't know if it happens every time but I got it to happen like twice. Not sure where these things go to get reported
@Mokohan112 жыл бұрын
At a main ash support kinda sad bro 🤣. But anyway i think cancel animation on ash support is very broken. I did 8-10k heal almost every game so... kinda sad and glad they nerf him xD
@happilyisolated2 жыл бұрын
That animation cancel fix is an elegant solution. You can still aim and shoot but you can't abuse the aim cancel to melee. And dodge cancelling is still there that's great cuz you're using resources.
@deadbyrenato2 жыл бұрын
As a AoD Ash main (one of a million ik) i definitely think him being able to pop his potion in a deadite or bosses face is very, very dumb since he is completely immune to knock back or stumbled while drinking it. Even if you get grabbed by the demon, the potion doesn't go off or reset, its back in your hand ready to use again. I think since characters like Cheryl are being toned down, AoD ash should be next. My ideas? If he's interrupted while popping his potion, its canceled. I'd also like to see one of his effects of the potion be removed. He currently has 3, and a fourth which isn't mentioned at all. He's incredibly resistant to knock back or stumble. Take away the fear reduction, and maybe the stumble resistance, and he's a amazing tanky warrior who can't just fight the demon by himself while his team does objectives.
@sadpee77102 жыл бұрын
the F stagger is the current most powerful and problematic thing about the game. if there are enough grunts, which there will be if the demon has any threat level whatsoever, you can basically be untouchable on objectives. just pick up a weapon with really long F finisher and high balance damage, then chain F hit grunts on an objective point to be basically immortal. wait for dagger/page to be finish, exercising the demon without using many resources. perma locking yourself in an invulnurable animation. grunts tend to swarm you when you're performing it too so it's really easy to launch into another one instantly. also, besides the normal F cancel there is the defensive F cancel where you "save" or delay your F attack while baiting a strong attack from the demon / general enemies or elites. when you see the startup you cash in the F you saved and put their skill own cooldown, leaving them nothing to show for it. should they change this? not completely. maybe some kind of balance fatigue that stops you from chaining too many F attacks or just some general balance bar buffs for base level demons, while nerfing the later level balance buff, such that the balance bar gain a more stable baseline without any huge weaknesses or strengths. or just the buff. whichever and whatever they come up with, if they decide to change how it works.
@skylerfreeman11732 жыл бұрын
I'm demon main and I dont find it too bad on that front. They're locked in animation for a second without invulnerability after a finisher btw where they can get hit. You just have to time it right. Sure it takes more skill but isn't that always the case when playing a killer/demon in these types of games? You just gotta 'get good' or get rolled lol (salty killer main in dbd)
@thejinxedplatypus2 жыл бұрын
I don't see anything changing with finishers anytime soon. Those feel like something that is working as they should, and they do provide survivors with a means of being able to escape damage at key moments. Right now I'm really not having too much trouble with getting damage onto a survivor as they can't use a finisher on a demon I have possessed. The other thing to keep in mind about finishers is that they lock a player's controls for the duration of the animation. I've gotten plenty of kills today on survivors trying to hide in a finisher and just timing an attack to connect when the invincibility wears off. It is of most benefit to a survivor with their team, but a Kelly or Amanda that is doing a finisher isn't shooting me at that moment. I think Warrior Ash is the survivor that really needed a balancing tweak downwards, either with his shield explosion getting reduced in damage or with some tweaks to his potion. With how he currently works there really isn't a reason not to take him every time. Cheryl's healing didn't need both nerfs, either the time increase or the healing reduction alone would have been fine. I'll need to see how Amanda works now. She really wasn't very good compared to the other hunters and was easily the hunter I worried the least about seeing.
@Phantom-kc9ly2 жыл бұрын
Unless they make trapping objectives worth it there's no way hunting survivors early isnt the right choice everytime. Countless objectives have no traps or just 1 on the edge of a circle.
@foxross44682 жыл бұрын
I have had a ton of really well trapped objectives. The airplane is a good example. But, wow, when the objective is in an area with no traps it really changes the dynamic.
@mycontradiction3032 жыл бұрын
Also long as the don't nerf chain finisher immunity I'm happy. That little window of invulnerability really helps a ton. It really helps with groups.
@akfourtysvn98282 жыл бұрын
It’s bullshit and does need adjusted. There’s no cooldown for it. There definitely should be a cooldown
@mycontradiction3032 жыл бұрын
@@akfourtysvn9828 No no, it's fair especially when a demon dumps his whole kit on you along with the demon itself. It's grant's a few seconds of safety, but only a few. When the adds are gone there's really no escaping that ass whooping, unless you knocking their balance bar. I might add that demon possession needs increased cool down..
@theguywhoasked14832 жыл бұрын
It needs damage resistance but definitely not immunity.
@mycontradiction3032 жыл бұрын
@@theguywhoasked1483 If that's the case they might have to adjust demons and possed demons damage.
@akfourtysvn98282 жыл бұрын
@@theguywhoasked1483 agreed
@zibranshamim39612 жыл бұрын
I think there might be a new cheat engine already. I was playing a match as the demon and this dude knew exactly where the map pieces were, also the dagger and the pages had spawned directly next to each other. I was a little surprised to see how this the first thing I encountered directly after I updated my game and I hope devs can patch this up soon
@IBeProFun2 жыл бұрын
It could be a cheat engine, but it could also just be an upgraded survivor. The HUD tells you the general location ("Knowby Cabin" "Firetowers") of the next map piece, and it shows you the exact location if you get close enough to the piece. One of the higher tier survivor perks if I remember correctly increases the distance you can detect the map piece.
@zibranshamim39612 жыл бұрын
@@IBeProFun I thought that could be a possibility except he managed to get all pieces under 2 minutes. Also with the dagger and the pages spawning just a few feet away from each other gave it away.
@aikouwuu2 жыл бұрын
@@zibranshamim3961 i’ve had a few games where the dagger and page spawned super close to eachother, that’s just down to RNG
@ibonnieth23062 жыл бұрын
@@zibranshamim3961 As a survivor me and my friends know the familiarity with map spawn placements. Which is why we break up to find it. One person goes to the objective marker right away (usually one map tile away) the other 3 spread out to the surrounding tiles where they first spawned in. They’ll loot and wait till the first map piece is found. Usually the second spawns where the 2nd, 3rd or 4th survivor is at. The first survivor would push further to loot for legendaries/epics (go to dense loot spots). From there when the 2nd map is found (relatively under 3 mins) we’ll then split into two teams, one goes for the 3rd map, while the other is waiting ahead for the pages or dagger to spawn relatively close to their area. Once they start the pages / dagger the other team rushes towards the other objective.
@skylerfreeman11732 жыл бұрын
@@ibonnieth2306 This comment here. LOL survivors busted. - As it should be :)
@darien26772 жыл бұрын
I don’t agree with Cheryl nerfs. Demons are already difficult and tunnel you now it’ll be even harder to survive.
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
Have you even looked at her perks? 20% mitigation Shem heals 30% of max hp 25% more hp starting Heals herself and survivor upon successful res. She used to be able to full heal her team 2 times with her ability over the course of 3 minutes. The only thing that I find unfair is that her ability is forced on CD without it actually being used.
@momokun__22502 жыл бұрын
@@TheDeadzon3 i hear you but picking her is stressful had a demon try and tunnel me to death as her i mean smart tactic but them possessing and tunneling her while playing her is not fun at all lmao
@jstiltner11132 жыл бұрын
They need to start fixing the bugs of getting stuck in walls during executions, not being able to jump over items in the environment, etc.
@victornovak85582 жыл бұрын
As a Survivor, I was in a very long baseball slide. I could only stand to fight. Just kept on sliding instead of running. I laughed my ass off 🤣😂
@juandalfpalote16992 жыл бұрын
I find myself struggling as a demon cause players split up early and two create distraction, and the other two go for objective really fast so I can't level up enough to take advantage. Also i think that range weapons are so overpowered on stumbling damage... Otherwise i think you win games by knowing to manage the situation and take advantage on the weaknesses of the rival. A good idea to implement it's some sort of guide to the demon to find the maps zones, i think in that case it's on disadvantage cause the survivors know the locations...or maybe the opposite delete the help of where to search.
@WallyBChamp2 жыл бұрын
Swing made a guide of sorts if where to go. I haven't looked up if he made a pdf somewhere but he has a video for it. Personally if I want to look for them I mark a random spot on the map that'll take across multiple locations. If I want to chill, I'll make it a point to look for chest everywhere for that experience.
@juandalfpalote16992 жыл бұрын
@@WallyBChamp yeah i saw that video! Basically it's that the survivors don't spawn near the dagger or the book. And the radius of location to the survivors and so: get a travelling point in between the map and get lucky...
@chr1sisass2 жыл бұрын
There’s a glitch that I found today. While down as Amanda, you can dodge backwards, moving your body. You are still down and you can’t actually walk around but you can still dodge backwards
@Switch72nd2 жыл бұрын
AoD Ash shield blast got nerfed as well according to the subreddit.
@chemistrymike2 жыл бұрын
Cheryl didn't really get that big of a nerf. The soda is my main way to heal with her and her ability is my backup..
@happilyisolated2 жыл бұрын
Yes! This is more of a rebalance of her free resource and her skills with shemp's colas.
@cindylennox24972 жыл бұрын
I'm the opposite. I always use the ability to heal over my colas when it's up so i can save them.
@ADR_JaiDe_N2 жыл бұрын
Am I missing something? How much does Cheryl heal the team per 1 can of Shemps? 100 HP?
@connerross49152 жыл бұрын
Honestly these devs are doing alot better than Neobards did with Re Resistance. Cheryl was giving off the same vibes Valerie did in that using her was a defacto requirement to allow a team to win.
@darthsidious19592 жыл бұрын
The finisher s are a tad too long imo. It can take some skill to set up big chains for sure, but from personal experience it feels reaallly bad playing as demon and not being able to do a damn thing as you watch them just go from 1 minion to the next in the objective zones.
@akfourtysvn98282 жыл бұрын
It is shitty
@benmoi33902 жыл бұрын
I really like that patch, devs done a good job, let's hope they keep listening to the community while making the good decisions... the anitmation cancelling is in a perfect place now,, dodge and finisher canceling make sense, but the aim cancelling was dumb. I really think Sash nerf was too much since without the aim canceling he will heal already far less so they prolly gonna buff that back up eventually.
@stephenkirkwood35442 жыл бұрын
They are going to keep listening to crying Demon mains until this game is ruined.
@tentardigrades9682 жыл бұрын
The survivors nerds are way too much and it’s bullshit. Why are demon players such whiny bitches demanding nerfs? They literally have the advantage in every game.
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
@@stephenkirkwood3544 You mean valid complaints?
@stephenkirkwood35442 жыл бұрын
@@TheDeadzon3 I meant exactly what was written.
@datmanbrandan2 жыл бұрын
I think one way you could make the demon role more challenging is by reducing the amount of time you can see survivors when they make noise via firearms. When I'm playing demon (i.e. puppeteer), I notice that when a survivor shoots their weapon you have a least a good 10-15 seconds to find them exactly on the map. Feel like they should make it so that you can only see survivors for 3-5 seconds on the map if they shoot their gun (much like how when you shoot a firearm the sound will dissipate after a few seconds). That and maybe nerf the range of which you can spot the car. I love playing demon, but I do think it's pretty ridiculous how you can find a survivor from all the way across the map when they literally just got into a car. They could be 600+ meters away and you'll know their exact location. The game is really fun though and hope it keeps getting better! The game has some balancing issues here and there, but it's hard to make asymmetrical games perfect on launch. I hope the Devs continue to be positive and make good, impactful changes to fine tune the game.
@azrasashima37332 жыл бұрын
this is fine. cancelling the damage of one skill to chain the initial movement into a stronger predictable skill to make it harder to see coming. this is not. cancelling the animation to immediately deal full damage to avoid getting locked in place.
@hollow15852 жыл бұрын
This is why most of us Demon players have zero issue with dodge canceling. That is how a cancel should work. It shouldn't be a way to avoid risk that you are supposed to be taking to get a chance at higher damage. It was a way to avoid risk and in the process apply massive damage. The risk to reward wasn't there it was just reward. Dodge canceling has a risk to it, it is resource based and you have to choose saving HP or saving Stamina. It requires you to think about what your doing, what you need to be doing and what you are going to do. AC bypassed all of that.
@mylesezell79102 жыл бұрын
It’s execution canceling and it’s used to stall necronomicon phase. If they take it out I personally will quit. I liked AAC personally. If you couldn’t execution cancel I would almost never win solo queuing.
@xximbioincxx2 жыл бұрын
They should of fixed playing with friends. We have to invite each other after each match
@EvanSnowWolf2 жыл бұрын
This is a huge pain in the ass when we play for four hours.
@truebacon1332 жыл бұрын
Cheryl nerf was needed but Support Ash is a bit odd since it wasn't overly that much healing unless you animation cancelled with a combat knife so I do hope that does get reverted once they see his performance after people have played the update.
@SOSO_CREPITUS2 жыл бұрын
How was Cheryl needed? She wasn’t broken at all.
@truebacon1332 жыл бұрын
@@SOSO_CREPITUS Because her heal cooldown was short considering hm it healed not to mention hm her cola heals could do and since she carried more than other supports it easily allowed her to carry teams to wins they otherwise shouldn't have gotten.
@joshua23032 жыл бұрын
@@truebacon133 her ability wasn't that strong. She wasn't better than Pablo. Also nerfing support ash was a head scratcher
@joshua23032 жыл бұрын
@@GlowingHazel Pablo creates shields which is more important.
@SOSO_CREPITUS2 жыл бұрын
@@truebacon133 it was already too long. You’ve been playing with AI too long.
@harlodmud94742 жыл бұрын
Nice to see them work fast on these fixes, I was expecting it to be released with the first dlc/map update.
@DicklessHipster2 жыл бұрын
Ash's healing was already weak so this sucks.
@rabidratgaming25542 жыл бұрын
Yeah a nerf to survivors and not demons... already a bad sign in my opinion... especially since demons already had a major advantage this just makes it worse.... especially the nerf to ash's healing ... which was already small lol then followed by his 2 useless abilities on the ability list...we will see how this plays out though
@DicklessHipster2 жыл бұрын
@@rabidratgaming2554 hopefully not like Friday the 13th where because Jason wasn't wiping everyone out every game they just kept buffing him until he was OP.
@wiffy30672 жыл бұрын
@@rabidratgaming2554 what major Advantage do demons have?
@rabidratgaming25542 жыл бұрын
@@wiffy3067 lol well I really dont need to say much... go against the demon and find out for yourself.... I can tell you if they nerf survivors anymore then the game is gonna see a decline in survivors....I am giving them a pass since this is there first patch but... demons need major nerfs in certain areas of there tree and abilities
@taylorhughes67032 жыл бұрын
I agree with this whole video. I will have to play with Support Ash to see if that is a good balance, even with me not using animation canceling I feel like I could barely keep my team in check with that skill. Personally I don't mind the F cancel. I can see it getting abused, but there are counters to that. Henrietta has an ability where in her active Q enemies simply don't take balance bars damage. If it becomes a part of the meta like animation canceling, I think implementing something where the survivors take massively less damage during it, or if there is a small window where they can take damage during the animation then that may balance it more. Maybe something like a reverse dodge, where your I-frames are at the 'peak' of the dodge, so when you are at the 'peak' of the finisher you can take damage. I still think it should be reduced damage. I personally feel like the addictive part of this game is the pressure from either side. So keeping that pressure hot will only increase this game's addictiveness to me.
@TowerdefenseRules2 жыл бұрын
I really dont agree with a patch this soon we still don't know the balance but their already nerfing survivors with no incentives?
@seytien37192 жыл бұрын
F canceling is completely fine. I always do it.
@TheTarek19932 жыл бұрын
demon possession costs changed as well which isnt even mentioned in the patch notes. before it was 20 energy to possess a basic unit now its 40
@ZacharyWhittall2 жыл бұрын
your videos have been helping make this game better, an give good tips and ideas to players to perform better. thanks swing
@alexander26852 жыл бұрын
If it hasn't been addressed I love the single player missions but a save point checkpoint would be nice I can't finish without having to start over from the beginning.
@mysticfaint2 жыл бұрын
My only problem with "f" cancelling is that they gain immunity frames and can receive healing. If they maybe reduced the healing received during the immunity, or just removed healing during it I'd really like that, but tbh it's not really a game disrupting mechanic
@SOSO_CREPITUS2 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding me? You want more nerfs for survivors when demons can spawn a whole ass horde on you…
@Cyberghost24612 жыл бұрын
im good with Dodge cancelling, survivors can do it, i think the 1 unit (henrienta basic) being able to do it as well is ok, especially considering you have a cooldown on puke, and a cooldown on dodge (even tthough its inly 2 seconds)
@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I understand the Ash nerf. Because in a prolong fight you always healing also the fact his healing works on enemies in special and finisher animations.
@ADR_JaiDe_N2 жыл бұрын
Ash nerf isn't even that bad mathematically; 35 x 3 = 105 25 x 4 = 100, so it's basically a 25% nerf/25% increase to the number of how much hits are needed to achieve the same amount of healing. 10 heavies gives 250 HP now, before it was 350 for the same amount of hits, it only takes 14 (10+4) to achieve the same amount. Not so bad IMO. Cheryl got touched worse. Lol He still heals crazy with a knife 🔪
@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official2 жыл бұрын
@@ADR_JaiDe_N Damn crossplay with Xbox is turned off lol we gotta wait for the patch.
@ADR_JaiDe_N2 жыл бұрын
@@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official I saw . Search times reminiscing RE atm
@joshua23032 жыл бұрын
No it doesn't make any sense to nerf the worst support instead of the best support.
@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official2 жыл бұрын
@@joshua2303 he is far from the worst support.
@EvanSnowWolf2 жыл бұрын
I support chaining into F Cancels. Some people like Leader Ash and AoD Ash need Finishers for their powers. Stopping this will nerf them hard.
@cruzx962 жыл бұрын
Ive stopped playing this game since they took out animation cancel. So many demons complaing about survivors doing it. Demons can still do it no penalty , while it was massivley nerfedd for survivor.
@flatlo2 жыл бұрын
God damn it, I’ve been grinding Support Ash recently. And I’ve never felt like his healing was OP. Still, glad they’re tuning things quickly.
@rabidratgaming25542 жыл бұрын
Problem is there only tuning survivors lol thats the dillema I am seeing... no demon nerfs? so they think demons are good but survivors needed a major nerf on first patch ... kind of odd
@shadowkilla20122 жыл бұрын
@@rabidratgaming2554 I can tell you this that flute range and 70% damage increase needs a nerf lol
@joshhendrix68912 жыл бұрын
I've still had several instances of being stuck in a revived animation sadly. Hopefully they can fix that soon.
@LeateqOfficial2 жыл бұрын
that's awesome they fixed puppeteer so fast ! It was the most broken animation canceling
@tbowne052 жыл бұрын
Also, you ever going to make the video for the resolution fix?
@gunner34492 жыл бұрын
i do not personally think f cancelling should be "fixed" as i believe its intended so that you have a second to breathe if you can set up a chain of them thats for you to use to your advantage it really helps survivors when you are down a person or just really need to get that last few seconds of an obj. what i DO wish theyd fix is stun locking survivors with basic units
@WallyBChamp2 жыл бұрын
Is there a specific class you're referring to with the stun lock? I never really possessed one as warlord. And haven't played necromancer yet. But under puppeteer after a few swings my guy stops and growls a bit heheh
@CharlieD.7062 жыл бұрын
@@WallyBChamp The necromancer is the one that does it to us. It’s his heavy attack
@WallyBChamp2 жыл бұрын
@@CharlieD.706 ah damn
@Kaizer5282 жыл бұрын
I saw that at 45 Henrietta gives her units immunity to balance bar damage. Would think make her stock go up with all the finisher canceling now? Unless her aura doesn't actually do that.
@fracturedsolace1452 жыл бұрын
I never understood why people cheat. They are idiots. Also in games like this I believe the killer/demon should always be stronger than the survivors to make up for the survivors using tactics.
@ELECTRIK_VISION12 жыл бұрын
I think this patch was perfect, the execute cancel is fine, glad they fixed the lightning cancel and attack cancelling, the healing nerf was nice the SAsh nerf was weird but I don’t see the data behind it, I think it’s a real positive direction for the game and I’m glad they’re not only listening to the community but also listening to the right parts of it, there’s always going to be complaints especially from newer players but being able to decide what’s actually a bit powerful or not is a huge boon for the devs, super excited for the future of this game
@extinctiongaming35562 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for events. Like being able to fight Ruby or Baal in like a 8v2. So demons control Ruby or Ball. And then Survivors just get 4 extra teammates.
@foxross44682 жыл бұрын
Still need to nerf Pablo. Make him visible for a few seconds if he is hit or activates an objective. And I'm getting stun locked a helluva lot more now as Puppeteer than I was before I was even using the animation cancel exploit. I'm also noticing I need to be a lot more precise with my aim of my solo lightning attack (brain farting on the name right now.) I also feel like Ash shouldn't be able to exercise you out of a boss. Maybe do heavy damage with that attack instead. All subjective and I know there will be folks that disagree, but I'd rather lose in epic fashion (which has happened where we're in a slugfest at the last second) than to completely waste my resources and have to wait for cooldown during a timed event. But being that those are my only complaints for a brand new game in 2022....that's impressive. Brilliant game.
@foxross44682 жыл бұрын
This message was sponsored by the letter 'A' for "Also" xD
@SpiritsUnbridled2 жыл бұрын
I didn't see any problems with the game at all. It was balanced.
@stephenkirkwood35442 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@kumsy2 жыл бұрын
Post game lobby chat would be nice and parties not breaking up. The basics
@misterscopey23092 жыл бұрын
I hope they add better map traversal mechanics. Getting stuck on things that I should be able to step over or climb would be so much better.
@misterscopey23092 жыл бұрын
I also think the finisher mechanic is completely fine. But maybe the balance bar could become more resistant the more you do it on 1 deadite
@redgent70582 жыл бұрын
Why do developers always overadjust on nerfs and miss the root of the issue? Ash was probably overhealing because of the animation canceling. Them nerfing his passive healing is way too much of an adjustment. I mean this game had only been out for two weeks. Did they even give demon players a chance to max their levels and master their gameplay before deciding that survivors were "OP" and support needed to be nerfed? If they continue going this route, we'll have a situation like resident evil resistance where your team can no longer feasibly beat the mm and you have no choice but to seek out the next game. And hey killer mains, it's bad for you too. Nobody wants 20 minute que times.
@violau85502 жыл бұрын
Now demon damage so damn high that healer power been nerf like 30% -50%, means it suppose to be OK to counter high level demon at start, but now just put support in very bad place.
@FuhzyLiquids2 жыл бұрын
The biggest animation cancel exploit was fixing the final swings animation
@deedeekreep91392 жыл бұрын
Bruh those survivor nerfs were not needed
@Bowser272 жыл бұрын
I'm on Xbox and It's not showing I have an update available. Even double checked for the reworked stats on Cheryl and support Ash and there are no changes. Any advice or info?
@comic_the_ace2 жыл бұрын
update for xbox is going to be delayed for a few days sadly microsoft takes longer for updates to come out
@Richterdgf2 жыл бұрын
It is an egregious oversight that the console version doesn’t have aim speed options.
@enrkm852 жыл бұрын
No one talked about Kelly being hit by stuff to. Bunch other charter have small changes in stats to.
@EdwardDantes62 жыл бұрын
I think they should make the F finish only proc when it's a death blow. Like in a lot of games.
@EvanSnowWolf2 жыл бұрын
That would be a huge nerf to heavy weapons. The whole point of using something like a shovel is to get the strong animation damage.
@michaeltorres82022 жыл бұрын
Love the break down
@danielx12242 жыл бұрын
Swingpoynt are you thinking about making a Survivor Tier List video? I'm tired of everyone saying things like Ed is garbage (he's actually top tier and maybe best Hunter).
@victornovak85582 жыл бұрын
I like this video. I'm glad you showed this. 👌
@joramasama87772 жыл бұрын
i think animation cancel fixed is amazing, but huge nerf of supports are kinda be a bit too big, ash might not need it since animation cancel is fixed, charly maybe more cooldown is cool but not reduce amout of healing
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
Cheryl was too potent. She was able to full heal twice in 3 minutes. Now she does 75% healing in 4 minutes. She was also invulnerable when placing her heal and could carry the game with no risk.
@williamedwards41512 жыл бұрын
I basically F cancelled regardless. I'm just spamming to hit that F as soon as possible to get the I-Frame and finish off the enemy. I didn't even realize that it was a "thing", ya know?
@ilikefartjokes2 жыл бұрын
They need to nerf the necromancer.. the only demon I absolutely cannot win against
@TheDeadzon32 жыл бұрын
How though? He gets stun locked to hell.
@andriidamm35382 жыл бұрын
After this patch, my character did stuck in textures 3 times in 10 matches. One time in a tree, second time while resurrection process and the very last one I fell under the ground. Also, picking up items is still clunky as hell =(
@bnm12112 жыл бұрын
Would you happen to know if buffs stack additively or multiplicatively? E.g. Aura buffs
@christian_lied2 жыл бұрын
I appreciated the breakdown
@craigirvin63112 жыл бұрын
Can you please talk to the developers about the survivors splitting up and doing 2 missions at the same time. By the time I get to level 4 they already have all the map pieces and then working on the dagger and I'm setting up traps like crazy to level up. At least the servivors are allowed to do only 1 mission at a time. It's irritating
@triforceterror40562 жыл бұрын
F Canceling seems fair. It would be way too clunky if you had to finish the animation before using a finisher.