Evil Dead's First Patch has some MAJOR Changes. AC Fix. Cheryl Nerf 🩸 Evil Dead the Game Patch 1.05

[@SwingPoynt]

livestreams on twitch -> www.twitch.tv/swingpoynt Patch notes -> support.saber.games/hc/en-us/articles/6403587600913-Patch-1-0-5

[@luishurtado5889]

Yea hey should add checkpoints to the missions lol

[@ljanitza]

I don't know if it is worth it but maybe you could record diffrent abilities so you can compare them if things get nerfed or buffed

[@an0maly5k27]

Push to talk needs to be implemented and made the default setting. Most people disable the default open mic setting so there is zero communication between survivors except for the one weirdo every now and then who keeps jabbering on and on and thinks they know what to do, but they don't lol. Being able to type to your team is another basic feature absent from the game. Not so much a big deal for console players but a glaring omission for PC users.

[@SwingPoynt]

PTT yesterday plz

[@saihiko9967]

They also need to update the UI to show teammates weapon types, ammo types,and their med number, be nice to know my healer needs meds or my hunter needs pistol ammo.

[@happilyisolated]

​@@KenericTheGeneric YES. I'll ping like mad I need stuff and nobody cares. Or I'll drop amulets for supports and they ignore the pings. People need to pay attention -_-

[@Goblin3365]

How will u do that on console? All buttoms are already used for other things?

[@christianolivarez9049]

I bet you’re that one weirdo in the game that’s why no one talks to you

[@libertyprime9307]

I notice Cheryl will now be cancelled out of her active ability if she gets hit during it. It puts it on the full cooldown, which is super punishing. You basically can't risk trying to use it in combat anymore.

[@SwingPoynt]

oooo that's spicy

[@rayharris9270]

It did that for me before the patch lol

[@Goblin3365]

Thats gonna ruin her Way too much imo, plus the healing nerf!!

[@happilyisolated]

Good. Now Cheryls need to think before using it. So many of them would use it for free while being swarmed with no cares in the world. Now they'll have to think twice.

[@letsgetbetterfrank6152]

Honestly her shems should be fine for in combat but I’ve already seen her as an after battle recovery healer while S-ash is an in battle support for fear and keeping the team afloat in battle with only shems for after battle

[@sunsetfuzz]

Some key things that would just improve the game: push to talk, staying in party lobbies with friends after a match, chat in party lobby, character skill tree access in party lobby and at character selection, auto rotate map by default (not as important). Overall, i love the game and it am looking forward to more updates.

[@captaincvo]

The heal nerf on ED1 Ash was fine, but the reason it was op was BECAUSE of the animation cancel, to get the heavy attack spam heals. Removing animation cancel fixes it, I don't see why they doubled down and adjusted the heal value to be lower D :

[@davidboites9473]

Ash’s nerf was unnecessary. After the patch I’ve noticed that he feels like he no longer has a passive. What’s the point of playing support when your heals don’t heal? A pixel of healing isn’t helping anybody!

[@shadowkilla2012]

Support ash is useless now he’s unplayable. He’s not going to be part of the meta now for winning lol. They ruin him.

[@bagginbrooks6573]

I can't believe they nerfed the survivors and didn't nerf any of the demons. As a Necromancer main I will have even more of my way.

[@darkcroos9536]

Ist klar. Der Dämon ist ein Witz allein das Jäger dein Boss mit 2 Treffer töten können

[@perrywilliamson6256]

Nice, I'm happy they kept the Dodge cancel and finisher cancel. Eligos lightning was annoying to play against. The other demon cancels are fine to me, not a real huge game changer.

[@dutchmasterssss3902]

I love how you break down everything that changed thanks man I appreciate the tips and tricks from you. Hope your day is going good swing

[@Mr-Geist-Bong]

after thinking some more about animation cancelling my opinion has changed. i think the eligos exploit needed to be nerfed but animation cancelling seemed needed on surv. I've noticed that it's nearly impossible to pull off heavy attacks on surv without the use of it. you get stunned before the attack will hit. mainly with 1 speed weapons.

[@ggss5375]

I can agree

[@TheDeadzon3]

See, but it would go for all weapons, which is what made it broken. 1 speed trades off with damage

[@shadowkilla2012]

Survivors definitely took a big L on this patch. And support industrial strength is still broken. The Demons mains Took a W with this one.

[@BIGSWOLEXL]

Exactly it’s worse when necro is already OP as it is

[@ronallen4877]

Exactly, Evil Ash is OP and nothing was done with him or any of the other demons. Lol wtf

[@truebacon133]

What's wrong with Industrial strength?

[@BunnychanFarabee]

Who gives a crap about supports when you can play Amanda and have infinite dodges and insane headshot damage, and just drop your gun when your fear gets high?

[@truebacon133]

@@BunnychanFarabee Amanda has a cap of 7 dodges if you put max points in Stamina/dodge perks plus max level stamina in game like all hunters. only exception being Kelly since she does have infinite dodges for the 7 seconds or so her ult lasts.

[@schlitzy-1031]

I'm thrilled with how they handled the animation canceling. The nerf to Cheryl I think was a bit too much. Nerfing the cooldown and heals per second seems a bit harsh. I would have preferred to see one or the other. The nerf to sAsh seems unnecessary, but I haven't played him much so I may be off point. Regardless, I'm happy they're addressing things the community are concerned with so quickly.

[@superiorgogeta3514]

The nerf to Cheryl is ridiculous. No need for that. That healing she does isn’t even a lot and she just got shot on all fronts. Really hope this game doesn’t become one sided

[@skylerfreeman1173]

@@superiorgogeta3514 It already IS one sided. Survivors are busted silly. The devs themselves have stated multiple times that the survivors SHOULD win 80% of the time, they have the tools and if people finally learn to just go in 2's or stay together, there isn't much a demon can do Especially with the insane supports lol. They WANT the survivors to be stronger, its a part of the lore literally. Whether we like it or not, thats just the way they want their game designed. Despite personal experience (i've won most of my demon matches) I can definitely see once survivors learn to not troll, it'll be really easy for them to win.

[@TheDeadzon3]

She was able to full heal her team twice in 3 minutes, and could do it without risk. I do however agree that canceling her healing animation and putting it on cool down is unfair though.

[@TheDeadzon3]

@@skylerfreeman1173 Finally someone with a brain.

[@kingamongmen7455]

If you played demon you see why Cheryl was broken. If survivors stuck together it's almost unwinnable for the demon.

[@Dyl4n2001]

Cheryl’s nerf was way too much, way to fast. I expected a nerf but both cool-down and healing overall is a lot to nerf especially on a 30 second increase

[@TheDeadzon3]

She was able to full heal a team twice every 3 minutes and was able to do so with no risk. This is a fair nerf.

[@YJL186]

@@TheDeadzon3 i think a better choice would have been to nerf the healing strength and leave the cooldown or vice versa. shes still good obviously but with the state of how strong demon is i think they went a little overboard with her nerf.

[@shadowkilla2012]

@@YJL186 you can’t even use industrial strength on support maxed out 4/4 because it’s bugged out lol.

[@YJL186]

@@shadowkilla2012 yikes i didnt even know that

[@theguywhoasked1483]

It's a pretty fair nerf IMO.

[@BunnychanFarabee]

Hunter stamina and damage needs to be looked at. Low fear isn't a counter because you can simply drop your weapon if your fear gets high. Kelly is already insane. Vehicles are still too common. There's no point in dumping your energy bar to possess a vehicle when there's one 20 feet away in most cases. Balance bar damage needs...well, balancing. Even without AC, shovels and sledgehammers are just broken right now.

[@stephenkirkwood3544]

Why don't they just make the game unplayable for survivors, take away everything so the demon gets an easy win.

[@shadowsintox9]

@@stephenkirkwood3544 Oh shut the fk up. Hunter stamina can stay but the damage is way too high. I literally two shot an eligos before, you think that's ok? Yes there are way too many cars. It's pretty stupid. And until the R3 gets changed a bit, where A.I. doesn't lose aggro or survivors can take like 2% damage, ya balance bar damage Is a bit of a problem.

[@foxross4468]

@@stephenkirkwood3544 I don't think changing vehicle placement in some areas is a big ask or one that damages survivors. I rarely feel vehicles have hindered a game for me as a demon, but I've seen some downright silly vehicle placements.

[@dre160]

@@stephenkirkwood3544 survivors need to be a unit. I should be beat by a team not some guy blasting out 54k damage while his team barely hit 12k

[@TheDeadzon3]

@@stephenkirkwood3544 You really don't understand the state of the game, do you? It's heavily survivor favored, and the devs have admitted it

[@JuniAku]

My poor Cheryl. I felt like her 60 second heal cooldown was a little too long. 120 seconds now!? Sheesh.

[@RJMCA]

It shouldn’t be a mindless heal

[@TheDeadzon3]

90 seconds* Also if you did the math, you could full heal your team twice in 3 minutes while being immune to damage and unable to be cancelled. Now you can heal for about 75% each use and can be fairly hit out of it. The only thing I'll say is unfair is that being hit out of it puts the ability on full cool down.

[@unicornmilk6158]

Thanks for the heads up Devs! It's great to know the community's findings are being heard and considered!

[@Captdrax]

But can't get xbox patch ya there amazing

[@oneplushydude]

@@Captdrax they patched it on all devices, wouldn’t make sense to just patch PC and PS4/5

[@theguywhoasked1483]

@@Captdrax There is a patch. Buy Playstation.

[@omengod1]

As a demon player im happy to see the cheryl/ s ash nerfs. that double support combo was one of the biggest threats to me. however my win rate is like 80% so maybe demons didnt need that much help lol

[@skylerfreeman1173]

Game is barely a month old. Gamers gotta learn to not troll on survivor lol. Survivors are indeed busted AND the fact there are comms IN GAME makes it even worse. This will turn into survivor steam roll very soon. Right now i'm a demon main though and have an amazing winrate as well but I can definitely tell people don't know what they're doing yet.

[@TheDeadzon3]

@@skylerfreeman1173 The meta is clearly 2 supports, a hunter, and a warrior. The fact that as a demon player who never played as a survivor, I can recognize this shows how little survivors think. Cheryl is stupidly tanky and can still win games on her own, it just requires skill now. People tend to forget that if a demon only focuses one player, the other 3 can decimate said demon in seconds and get the revive and full team heal off.

[@shadowkilla2012]

@@TheDeadzon3 2 supports and a Hunter with one warrior isn’t going to win you a sweaty try hard demon. If you think otherwise. Custom me. Add me Shadowgod-x- prove me wrong.

[@TheDeadzon3]

@@shadowkilla2012 I'm a demon main. Pretty sure running both Cheryl and ash hard wins if the survivors are actually good. We both know the game is heavily survivor favored; even the devs have said so.

[@MrNobody-fk7fc]

What REALLY sucks is suffering consequences for getting stuck under a stairwell, or on a bridge as a demon, left with no option but to back out of the game, and being banned for quitting!

[@TheDeadzon3]

I got stuck inside a shopping container and had to waste my boss spawn just to escape. Survivors got a free dagger out of it and I was barely able to win by downing them.

[@superiorgogeta3514]

I had a lot to say but I’m just keep it to myself. Hopes this game doesn’t turn into a re3 resistance or DBD game where killers are in control of the game. Really hope the developers think about what survivors need as well. Cheryl getting that nerfed practically has made her unplayable. We take too long to use colas and amulets and that was our only line of defense and y’all remove that. As I stated really hope this isn’t a one sided ass game

[@Dementhis]

With the patch installed I've still experienced getting stuck in random places as survivor. Getting attacked seems to consistently get you unstuck but it's a bit frustrating. Also experienced the "being revived" bug post patch where it just says that on a characters icon and you can't see your health bar and also freezes your minimap in place.

[@Kazan0505]

Once again appreciate the coverage! It is really tough as a demon with them clearing minions in a couple seconds using A/C and Cheryl has been massively tanky. Cheers

[@chrism6347]

I’ve only played demon so far and been getting my ass handled to me for the most part.

[@BIGSWOLEXL]

A/C?

[@Kazan0505]

@@BIGSWOLEXL animation canceling

[@Kazan0505]

@@chrism6347 biggest priority is finding the survivors early like swing mentions, then getting your threat level up as fast as possible

[@Kazan0505]

@Pabs I have had matches where she's just healing non stop, its not all the time but when someone has her build durable it's a lot to take her down

[@kcgost270]

Another excellent breakdown. Surprised about the ash nerf as I saw him as the weakest support .I'm glad the dodge and finisher cancel stayed in on both sides as well because they felt balanced and intended. All and all good patch

[@snaps_3398]

The cancellation on a swing even tho they took it off, ash was nerf so much bc he was the one people used to heal spam. Glad I don’t feel overpowered. Yet now I took his sister and even tho she got nerf she is still so strong.

[@Dethckr1]

It irks me immensely when the unit I possess gets the balance bar broken and it fills back up but they just stay stunned . I was also glad to see the hacks getting addressed was getting one shot with a max level boss and that's not cool.

[@timparks9833]

I see nothing but improvements here. I also think finisher canceling should stay the same. It gives you I-frames, but your DPS slows down for the finisher animation. Seems like a fair trade, and just adds more strategy. Do the finisher for defense, or just swing, so you can quickly swing again on the next enemy. Compare that to aim-canceling, where 2 survivors could melt a boss before they get 2-3 attacks off.

[@Mali8029]

The cheat I see the most is the one that ends games instantly for survivors. Edit: I would want them to fix finishers on high/low ground its so buggy and inconsistent than most times you will just straight up not get a prompt, melee hits miss as well when on high/low ground creating dumb situations where you are stuck on some stairs or something and you can't hit the enemies.

[@WallyBChamp]

Gawd I had a match with a dagger/pages literally next to a dug hole in the ground, it was stupid chaotic

[@evanersesian1949]

Ya there’s a new bug in the game when ur warrior Ash u use ur ultimate while u go down the stairs in the fishing village you start flying in the air and can’t get back down I just found this out when I was playing Ash warrior it was funny but stupid Bc I couldn’t get down

[@bamsannen]

Hoping they reconsider Sash nerf, F cancel is a strong tool in survivors hands, so I hope they keep it to some extent, but maybe buff balance bars a bit or something? It feels like a lot of weapons unbalance in one hit which I I admit IS fun, but I digress.

[@EvanSnowWolf]

Support Ash was ALREADY nerfed due to animation cancel. Adding the 10 point loss was kicking him when he was down.

[@McSchwanger]

Puke canceling is legit, you are putting both your puke and your dash on cooldown, plus you actually have to hit with the puke. It's strong, but it gives utility to a move that wouldn't otherwise be very good and gives some counterplay to survivors just running around and stalling

[@shadowkilla2012]

Your dodge cooldown isn’t that long 😂 and yes it’s strong. Once you puke on the survivor they cant dodge or run for 5 seconds. Free hits

[@McSchwanger]

@@shadowkilla2012 Sure but you're using up the dodge you might need to dodge the three other players getting to your target. Puke cooldown is 20 seconds and it's not very often you get more than one per possession. If you land the puke you get free hits, yes, it rules

[@DarksteelHeart]

Awesome! I hope they fixed all the animation cancelling tech. I'm pumped that they are listening and fixing bugs and cheats. Thank you for the coverage, SwingPoynt. Edit: they fixed an issue with synchronized achievements? I wonder if that means you won't get survivor achievements if you have a survivor possessed.

[@MdayRabbit]

it was bug on playstation that made it so you couldn’t see other people’s achievements

[@DarksteelHeart]

@@MdayRabbit oh ok. So you can still get survivor achievements if you possess a survivor while they get the achievement. Nice!

[@wesleynogues4527]

As far as I've heard, the only cancels left are henrietta's basic puke cancel with the dodge, and cancelling swings with dodges on survivor.

[@DarksteelHeart]

@@wesleynogues4527 joy. Survivor sided already.

[@hollow1585]

Real curious if this means I can finally get my "Win as a Demon without possessing a boss". I have won at least 5 matches where I didn't even put points into boss or elite and it still never popped. I gave up after a while due to believe it was bugged somehow.

[@azrasashima3733]

to the puking thing as long as its cancelling it after the damage or the damage it cut based on how long u do it is fine. completely cancelling out a lengthy animation while still dealing max damage with it is not.

[@hollow1585]

That is how it works. If you dodge out to cancel you lose out on possible damage due to it being a tick based damage and not an instant hit for all damage. The real prize isn't the damage though its the inability to dodge/run. Spawn a basic, hit Q, puke on the group, dodge to them and start swinging.

[@GameUpOG]

I liked frame canceling at least on the survivor side because it felt like a more skill based fighting. Smash brothers had omitting similar that people used in high end play.

[@ggss5375]

Ya I can agree

[@SceneFreaks6661]

Honestly I can understand the Animation canceling patch but what I don't understand is why they nerfed Cheryl. She is literally the only good healer in the game and her ability taking 80 seconds was already long enough. It was just right. Now you might as well write off ever using it at all and just horde shemps all match. They could have at the very least made her ability do MORE healing for having to wait so long for it. Im pretty sure Cheryl also has a wider range of healing with cola and amulets than the rest of the support class does. You have to be touching noses for that to work with pablo or ash. 120 second wait time and it won't even heal you or teammates to full health when you use it. I get more healing out of 2 shemps than that worthless thing provides for the whole damn match.

[@boomknight1015]

Also I found a bug, where if you try to lunch yourself into a car moving away from you, you can end up clipping into it and getting stuck of survs don't move the car. I don't know if it happens every time but I got it to happen like twice. Not sure where these things go to get reported

[@Mokohan11]

At a main ash support kinda sad bro 🤣. But anyway i think cancel animation on ash support is very broken. I did 8-10k heal almost every game so... kinda sad and glad they nerf him xD

[@happilyisolated]

That animation cancel fix is an elegant solution. You can still aim and shoot but you can't abuse the aim cancel to melee. And dodge cancelling is still there that's great cuz you're using resources.

[@deadbyrenato]

As a AoD Ash main (one of a million ik) i definitely think him being able to pop his potion in a deadite or bosses face is very, very dumb since he is completely immune to knock back or stumbled while drinking it. Even if you get grabbed by the demon, the potion doesn't go off or reset, its back in your hand ready to use again. I think since characters like Cheryl are being toned down, AoD ash should be next. My ideas? If he's interrupted while popping his potion, its canceled. I'd also like to see one of his effects of the potion be removed. He currently has 3, and a fourth which isn't mentioned at all. He's incredibly resistant to knock back or stumble. Take away the fear reduction, and maybe the stumble resistance, and he's a amazing tanky warrior who can't just fight the demon by himself while his team does objectives.

[@sadpee7710]

the F stagger is the current most powerful and problematic thing about the game. if there are enough grunts, which there will be if the demon has any threat level whatsoever, you can basically be untouchable on objectives. just pick up a weapon with really long F finisher and high balance damage, then chain F hit grunts on an objective point to be basically immortal. wait for dagger/page to be finish, exercising the demon without using many resources. perma locking yourself in an invulnurable animation. grunts tend to swarm you when you're performing it too so it's really easy to launch into another one instantly. also, besides the normal F cancel there is the defensive F cancel where you "save" or delay your F attack while baiting a strong attack from the demon / general enemies or elites. when you see the startup you cash in the F you saved and put their skill own cooldown, leaving them nothing to show for it. should they change this? not completely. maybe some kind of balance fatigue that stops you from chaining too many F attacks or just some general balance bar buffs for base level demons, while nerfing the later level balance buff, such that the balance bar gain a more stable baseline without any huge weaknesses or strengths. or just the buff. whichever and whatever they come up with, if they decide to change how it works.

[@skylerfreeman1173]

I'm demon main and I dont find it too bad on that front. They're locked in animation for a second without invulnerability after a finisher btw where they can get hit. You just have to time it right. Sure it takes more skill but isn't that always the case when playing a killer/demon in these types of games? You just gotta 'get good' or get rolled lol (salty killer main in dbd)

[@thejinxedplatypus]

I don't see anything changing with finishers anytime soon. Those feel like something that is working as they should, and they do provide survivors with a means of being able to escape damage at key moments. Right now I'm really not having too much trouble with getting damage onto a survivor as they can't use a finisher on a demon I have possessed. The other thing to keep in mind about finishers is that they lock a player's controls for the duration of the animation. I've gotten plenty of kills today on survivors trying to hide in a finisher and just timing an attack to connect when the invincibility wears off. It is of most benefit to a survivor with their team, but a Kelly or Amanda that is doing a finisher isn't shooting me at that moment. I think Warrior Ash is the survivor that really needed a balancing tweak downwards, either with his shield explosion getting reduced in damage or with some tweaks to his potion. With how he currently works there really isn't a reason not to take him every time. Cheryl's healing didn't need both nerfs, either the time increase or the healing reduction alone would have been fine. I'll need to see how Amanda works now. She really wasn't very good compared to the other hunters and was easily the hunter I worried the least about seeing.

[@Phantom-kc9ly]

Unless they make trapping objectives worth it there's no way hunting survivors early isnt the right choice everytime. Countless objectives have no traps or just 1 on the edge of a circle.

[@foxross4468]

I have had a ton of really well trapped objectives. The airplane is a good example. But, wow, when the objective is in an area with no traps it really changes the dynamic.

[@mycontradiction303]

Also long as the don't nerf chain finisher immunity I'm happy. That little window of invulnerability really helps a ton. It really helps with groups.

[@akfourtysvn9828]

It’s bullshit and does need adjusted. There’s no cooldown for it. There definitely should be a cooldown

[@mycontradiction303]

@@akfourtysvn9828 No no, it's fair especially when a demon dumps his whole kit on you along with the demon itself. It's grant's a few seconds of safety, but only a few. When the adds are gone there's really no escaping that ass whooping, unless you knocking their balance bar. I might add that demon possession needs increased cool down..

[@theguywhoasked1483]

It needs damage resistance but definitely not immunity.

[@mycontradiction303]

@@theguywhoasked1483 If that's the case they might have to adjust demons and possed demons damage.

[@akfourtysvn9828]

@@theguywhoasked1483 agreed

[@zibranshamim3961]

I think there might be a new cheat engine already. I was playing a match as the demon and this dude knew exactly where the map pieces were, also the dagger and the pages had spawned directly next to each other. I was a little surprised to see how this the first thing I encountered directly after I updated my game and I hope devs can patch this up soon

[@IBeProFun]

It could be a cheat engine, but it could also just be an upgraded survivor. The HUD tells you the general location ("Knowby Cabin" "Firetowers") of the next map piece, and it shows you the exact location if you get close enough to the piece. One of the higher tier survivor perks if I remember correctly increases the distance you can detect the map piece.

[@zibranshamim3961]

@@IBeProFun I thought that could be a possibility except he managed to get all pieces under 2 minutes. Also with the dagger and the pages spawning just a few feet away from each other gave it away.

[@aikouwuu]

@@zibranshamim3961 i’ve had a few games where the dagger and page spawned super close to eachother, that’s just down to RNG

[@ibonnieth2306]

@@zibranshamim3961 As a survivor me and my friends know the familiarity with map spawn placements. Which is why we break up to find it. One person goes to the objective marker right away (usually one map tile away) the other 3 spread out to the surrounding tiles where they first spawned in. They’ll loot and wait till the first map piece is found. Usually the second spawns where the 2nd, 3rd or 4th survivor is at. The first survivor would push further to loot for legendaries/epics (go to dense loot spots). From there when the 2nd map is found (relatively under 3 mins) we’ll then split into two teams, one goes for the 3rd map, while the other is waiting ahead for the pages or dagger to spawn relatively close to their area. Once they start the pages / dagger the other team rushes towards the other objective.

[@skylerfreeman1173]

@@ibonnieth2306 This comment here. LOL survivors busted. - As it should be :)

[@darien2677]

I don’t agree with Cheryl nerfs. Demons are already difficult and tunnel you now it’ll be even harder to survive.

[@TheDeadzon3]

Have you even looked at her perks? 20% mitigation Shem heals 30% of max hp 25% more hp starting Heals herself and survivor upon successful res. She used to be able to full heal her team 2 times with her ability over the course of 3 minutes. The only thing that I find unfair is that her ability is forced on CD without it actually being used.

[@momokun__2250]

@@TheDeadzon3 i hear you but picking her is stressful had a demon try and tunnel me to death as her i mean smart tactic but them possessing and tunneling her while playing her is not fun at all lmao

[@jstiltner1113]

They need to start fixing the bugs of getting stuck in walls during executions, not being able to jump over items in the environment, etc.

[@victornovak8558]

As a Survivor, I was in a very long baseball slide. I could only stand to fight. Just kept on sliding instead of running. I laughed my ass off 🤣😂

[@juandalfpalote1699]

I find myself struggling as a demon cause players split up early and two create distraction, and the other two go for objective really fast so I can't level up enough to take advantage. Also i think that range weapons are so overpowered on stumbling damage... Otherwise i think you win games by knowing to manage the situation and take advantage on the weaknesses of the rival. A good idea to implement it's some sort of guide to the demon to find the maps zones, i think in that case it's on disadvantage cause the survivors know the locations...or maybe the opposite delete the help of where to search.

[@WallyBChamp]

Swing made a guide of sorts if where to go. I haven't looked up if he made a pdf somewhere but he has a video for it. Personally if I want to look for them I mark a random spot on the map that'll take across multiple locations. If I want to chill, I'll make it a point to look for chest everywhere for that experience.

[@juandalfpalote1699]

@@WallyBChamp yeah i saw that video! Basically it's that the survivors don't spawn near the dagger or the book. And the radius of location to the survivors and so: get a travelling point in between the map and get lucky...

[@chr1sisass]

There’s a glitch that I found today. While down as Amanda, you can dodge backwards, moving your body. You are still down and you can’t actually walk around but you can still dodge backwards

[@Switch72nd]

AoD Ash shield blast got nerfed as well according to the subreddit.

[@chemistrymike]

Cheryl didn't really get that big of a nerf. The soda is my main way to heal with her and her ability is my backup..

[@happilyisolated]

Yes! This is more of a rebalance of her free resource and her skills with shemp's colas.

[@cindylennox2497]

I'm the opposite. I always use the ability to heal over my colas when it's up so i can save them.

[@ADR_JaiDe_N]

Am I missing something? How much does Cheryl heal the team per 1 can of Shemps? 100 HP?

[@connerross4915]

Honestly these devs are doing alot better than Neobards did with Re Resistance. Cheryl was giving off the same vibes Valerie did in that using her was a defacto requirement to allow a team to win.

[@darthsidious1959]

The finisher s are a tad too long imo. It can take some skill to set up big chains for sure, but from personal experience it feels reaallly bad playing as demon and not being able to do a damn thing as you watch them just go from 1 minion to the next in the objective zones.

[@akfourtysvn9828]

It is shitty

[@benmoi3390]

I really like that patch, devs done a good job, let's hope they keep listening to the community while making the good decisions... the anitmation cancelling is in a perfect place now,, dodge and finisher canceling make sense, but the aim cancelling was dumb. I really think Sash nerf was too much since without the aim canceling he will heal already far less so they prolly gonna buff that back up eventually.

[@stephenkirkwood3544]

They are going to keep listening to crying Demon mains until this game is ruined.

[@tentardigrades968]

The survivors nerds are way too much and it’s bullshit. Why are demon players such whiny bitches demanding nerfs? They literally have the advantage in every game.

[@TheDeadzon3]

@@stephenkirkwood3544 You mean valid complaints?

[@stephenkirkwood3544]

@@TheDeadzon3 I meant exactly what was written.

[@datmanbrandan]

I think one way you could make the demon role more challenging is by reducing the amount of time you can see survivors when they make noise via firearms. When I'm playing demon (i.e. puppeteer), I notice that when a survivor shoots their weapon you have a least a good 10-15 seconds to find them exactly on the map. Feel like they should make it so that you can only see survivors for 3-5 seconds on the map if they shoot their gun (much like how when you shoot a firearm the sound will dissipate after a few seconds). That and maybe nerf the range of which you can spot the car. I love playing demon, but I do think it's pretty ridiculous how you can find a survivor from all the way across the map when they literally just got into a car. They could be 600+ meters away and you'll know their exact location. The game is really fun though and hope it keeps getting better! The game has some balancing issues here and there, but it's hard to make asymmetrical games perfect on launch. I hope the Devs continue to be positive and make good, impactful changes to fine tune the game.

[@azrasashima3733]

this is fine. cancelling the damage of one skill to chain the initial movement into a stronger predictable skill to make it harder to see coming. this is not. cancelling the animation to immediately deal full damage to avoid getting locked in place.

[@hollow1585]

This is why most of us Demon players have zero issue with dodge canceling. That is how a cancel should work. It shouldn't be a way to avoid risk that you are supposed to be taking to get a chance at higher damage. It was a way to avoid risk and in the process apply massive damage. The risk to reward wasn't there it was just reward. Dodge canceling has a risk to it, it is resource based and you have to choose saving HP or saving Stamina. It requires you to think about what your doing, what you need to be doing and what you are going to do. AC bypassed all of that.

[@mylesezell7910]

It’s execution canceling and it’s used to stall necronomicon phase. If they take it out I personally will quit. I liked AAC personally. If you couldn’t execution cancel I would almost never win solo queuing.

[@xximbioincxx]

They should of fixed playing with friends. We have to invite each other after each match

[@EvanSnowWolf]

This is a huge pain in the ass when we play for four hours.

[@truebacon133]

Cheryl nerf was needed but Support Ash is a bit odd since it wasn't overly that much healing unless you animation cancelled with a combat knife so I do hope that does get reverted once they see his performance after people have played the update.

[@SOSO_CREPITUS]

How was Cheryl needed? She wasn’t broken at all.

[@truebacon133]

@@SOSO_CREPITUS Because her heal cooldown was short considering hm it healed not to mention hm her cola heals could do and since she carried more than other supports it easily allowed her to carry teams to wins they otherwise shouldn't have gotten.

[@joshua2303]

@@truebacon133 her ability wasn't that strong. She wasn't better than Pablo. Also nerfing support ash was a head scratcher

[@joshua2303]

@@GlowingHazel Pablo creates shields which is more important.

[@SOSO_CREPITUS]

@@truebacon133 it was already too long. You’ve been playing with AI too long.

[@harlodmud9474]

Nice to see them work fast on these fixes, I was expecting it to be released with the first dlc/map update.

[@DicklessHipster]

Ash's healing was already weak so this sucks.

[@rabidratgaming2554]

Yeah a nerf to survivors and not demons... already a bad sign in my opinion... especially since demons already had a major advantage this just makes it worse.... especially the nerf to ash's healing ... which was already small lol then followed by his 2 useless abilities on the ability list...we will see how this plays out though

[@DicklessHipster]

@@rabidratgaming2554 hopefully not like Friday the 13th where because Jason wasn't wiping everyone out every game they just kept buffing him until he was OP.

[@wiffy3067]

@@rabidratgaming2554 what major Advantage do demons have?

[@rabidratgaming2554]

@@wiffy3067 lol well I really dont need to say much... go against the demon and find out for yourself.... I can tell you if they nerf survivors anymore then the game is gonna see a decline in survivors....I am giving them a pass since this is there first patch but... demons need major nerfs in certain areas of there tree and abilities

[@taylorhughes6703]

I agree with this whole video. I will have to play with Support Ash to see if that is a good balance, even with me not using animation canceling I feel like I could barely keep my team in check with that skill. Personally I don't mind the F cancel. I can see it getting abused, but there are counters to that. Henrietta has an ability where in her active Q enemies simply don't take balance bars damage. If it becomes a part of the meta like animation canceling, I think implementing something where the survivors take massively less damage during it, or if there is a small window where they can take damage during the animation then that may balance it more. Maybe something like a reverse dodge, where your I-frames are at the 'peak' of the dodge, so when you are at the 'peak' of the finisher you can take damage. I still think it should be reduced damage. I personally feel like the addictive part of this game is the pressure from either side. So keeping that pressure hot will only increase this game's addictiveness to me.

[@TowerdefenseRules]

I really dont agree with a patch this soon we still don't know the balance but their already nerfing survivors with no incentives?

[@seytien3719]

F canceling is completely fine. I always do it.

[@TheTarek1993]

demon possession costs changed as well which isnt even mentioned in the patch notes. before it was 20 energy to possess a basic unit now its 40

[@ZacharyWhittall]

your videos have been helping make this game better, an give good tips and ideas to players to perform better. thanks swing

[@alexander2685]

If it hasn't been addressed I love the single player missions but a save point checkpoint would be nice I can't finish without having to start over from the beginning.

[@mysticfaint]

My only problem with "f" cancelling is that they gain immunity frames and can receive healing. If they maybe reduced the healing received during the immunity, or just removed healing during it I'd really like that, but tbh it's not really a game disrupting mechanic

[@SOSO_CREPITUS]

Are you kidding me? You want more nerfs for survivors when demons can spawn a whole ass horde on you…

[@Cyberghost2461]

im good with Dodge cancelling, survivors can do it, i think the 1 unit (henrienta basic) being able to do it as well is ok, especially considering you have a cooldown on puke, and a cooldown on dodge (even tthough its inly 2 seconds)

[@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official]

Yeah I understand the Ash nerf. Because in a prolong fight you always healing also the fact his healing works on enemies in special and finisher animations.

[@ADR_JaiDe_N]

Ash nerf isn't even that bad mathematically; 35 x 3 = 105 25 x 4 = 100, so it's basically a 25% nerf/25% increase to the number of how much hits are needed to achieve the same amount of healing. 10 heavies gives 250 HP now, before it was 350 for the same amount of hits, it only takes 14 (10+4) to achieve the same amount. Not so bad IMO. Cheryl got touched worse. Lol He still heals crazy with a knife 🔪

[@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official]

@@ADR_JaiDe_N Damn crossplay with Xbox is turned off lol we gotta wait for the patch.

[@ADR_JaiDe_N]

@@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official I saw . Search times reminiscing RE atm

[@joshua2303]

No it doesn't make any sense to nerf the worst support instead of the best support.

[@ZOMBIESrEMO_Official]

@@joshua2303 he is far from the worst support.

[@EvanSnowWolf]

I support chaining into F Cancels. Some people like Leader Ash and AoD Ash need Finishers for their powers. Stopping this will nerf them hard.

[@cruzx96]

Ive stopped playing this game since they took out animation cancel. So many demons complaing about survivors doing it. Demons can still do it no penalty , while it was massivley nerfedd for survivor.

[@flatlo]

God damn it, I’ve been grinding Support Ash recently. And I’ve never felt like his healing was OP. Still, glad they’re tuning things quickly.

[@rabidratgaming2554]

Problem is there only tuning survivors lol thats the dillema I am seeing... no demon nerfs? so they think demons are good but survivors needed a major nerf on first patch ... kind of odd

[@shadowkilla2012]

@@rabidratgaming2554 I can tell you this that flute range and 70% damage increase needs a nerf lol

[@joshhendrix6891]

I've still had several instances of being stuck in a revived animation sadly. Hopefully they can fix that soon.

[@LeateqOfficial]

that's awesome they fixed puppeteer so fast ! It was the most broken animation canceling

[@tbowne05]

Also, you ever going to make the video for the resolution fix?

[@gunner3449]

i do not personally think f cancelling should be "fixed" as i believe its intended so that you have a second to breathe if you can set up a chain of them thats for you to use to your advantage it really helps survivors when you are down a person or just really need to get that last few seconds of an obj. what i DO wish theyd fix is stun locking survivors with basic units

[@WallyBChamp]

Is there a specific class you're referring to with the stun lock? I never really possessed one as warlord. And haven't played necromancer yet. But under puppeteer after a few swings my guy stops and growls a bit heheh

[@CharlieD.706]

@@WallyBChamp The necromancer is the one that does it to us. It’s his heavy attack

[@WallyBChamp]

@@CharlieD.706 ah damn

[@Kaizer528]

I saw that at 45 Henrietta gives her units immunity to balance bar damage. Would think make her stock go up with all the finisher canceling now? Unless her aura doesn't actually do that.

[@fracturedsolace145]

I never understood why people cheat. They are idiots. Also in games like this I believe the killer/demon should always be stronger than the survivors to make up for the survivors using tactics.

[@ELECTRIK_VISION1]

I think this patch was perfect, the execute cancel is fine, glad they fixed the lightning cancel and attack cancelling, the healing nerf was nice the SAsh nerf was weird but I don’t see the data behind it, I think it’s a real positive direction for the game and I’m glad they’re not only listening to the community but also listening to the right parts of it, there’s always going to be complaints especially from newer players but being able to decide what’s actually a bit powerful or not is a huge boon for the devs, super excited for the future of this game

[@extinctiongaming3556]

I can't wait for events. Like being able to fight Ruby or Baal in like a 8v2. So demons control Ruby or Ball. And then Survivors just get 4 extra teammates.

[@foxross4468]

Still need to nerf Pablo. Make him visible for a few seconds if he is hit or activates an objective. And I'm getting stun locked a helluva lot more now as Puppeteer than I was before I was even using the animation cancel exploit. I'm also noticing I need to be a lot more precise with my aim of my solo lightning attack (brain farting on the name right now.) I also feel like Ash shouldn't be able to exercise you out of a boss. Maybe do heavy damage with that attack instead. All subjective and I know there will be folks that disagree, but I'd rather lose in epic fashion (which has happened where we're in a slugfest at the last second) than to completely waste my resources and have to wait for cooldown during a timed event. But being that those are my only complaints for a brand new game in 2022....that's impressive. Brilliant game.

[@foxross4468]

This message was sponsored by the letter 'A' for "Also" xD

[@SpiritsUnbridled]

I didn't see any problems with the game at all. It was balanced.

[@stephenkirkwood3544]

I agree.

[@kumsy]

Post game lobby chat would be nice and parties not breaking up. The basics

[@misterscopey2309]

I hope they add better map traversal mechanics. Getting stuck on things that I should be able to step over or climb would be so much better.

[@misterscopey2309]

I also think the finisher mechanic is completely fine. But maybe the balance bar could become more resistant the more you do it on 1 deadite

[@redgent7058]

Why do developers always overadjust on nerfs and miss the root of the issue? Ash was probably overhealing because of the animation canceling. Them nerfing his passive healing is way too much of an adjustment. I mean this game had only been out for two weeks. Did they even give demon players a chance to max their levels and master their gameplay before deciding that survivors were "OP" and support needed to be nerfed? If they continue going this route, we'll have a situation like resident evil resistance where your team can no longer feasibly beat the mm and you have no choice but to seek out the next game. And hey killer mains, it's bad for you too. Nobody wants 20 minute que times.

[@violau8550]

Now demon damage so damn high that healer power been nerf like 30% -50%, means it suppose to be OK to counter high level demon at start, but now just put support in very bad place.

[@FuhzyLiquids]

The biggest animation cancel exploit was fixing the final swings animation

[@deedeekreep9139]

Bruh those survivor nerfs were not needed

[@Bowser27]

I'm on Xbox and It's not showing I have an update available. Even double checked for the reworked stats on Cheryl and support Ash and there are no changes. Any advice or info?

[@comic_the_ace]

update for xbox is going to be delayed for a few days sadly microsoft takes longer for updates to come out

[@Richterdgf]

It is an egregious oversight that the console version doesn’t have aim speed options.

[@enrkm85]

No one talked about Kelly being hit by stuff to. Bunch other charter have small changes in stats to.

[@EdwardDantes6]

I think they should make the F finish only proc when it's a death blow. Like in a lot of games.

[@EvanSnowWolf]

That would be a huge nerf to heavy weapons. The whole point of using something like a shovel is to get the strong animation damage.

[@michaeltorres8202]

Love the break down

[@danielx1224]

Swingpoynt are you thinking about making a Survivor Tier List video? I'm tired of everyone saying things like Ed is garbage (he's actually top tier and maybe best Hunter).

[@victornovak8558]

I like this video. I'm glad you showed this. 👌

[@joramasama8777]

i think animation cancel fixed is amazing, but huge nerf of supports are kinda be a bit too big, ash might not need it since animation cancel is fixed, charly maybe more cooldown is cool but not reduce amout of healing

[@TheDeadzon3]

Cheryl was too potent. She was able to full heal twice in 3 minutes. Now she does 75% healing in 4 minutes. She was also invulnerable when placing her heal and could carry the game with no risk.

[@williamedwards4151]

I basically F cancelled regardless. I'm just spamming to hit that F as soon as possible to get the I-Frame and finish off the enemy. I didn't even realize that it was a "thing", ya know?

[@ilikefartjokes]

They need to nerf the necromancer.. the only demon I absolutely cannot win against

[@TheDeadzon3]

How though? He gets stun locked to hell.

[@andriidamm3538]

After this patch, my character did stuck in textures 3 times in 10 matches. One time in a tree, second time while resurrection process and the very last one I fell under the ground. Also, picking up items is still clunky as hell =(

[@bnm1211]

Would you happen to know if buffs stack additively or multiplicatively? E.g. Aura buffs

[@christian_lied]

I appreciated the breakdown

[@craigirvin6311]

Can you please talk to the developers about the survivors splitting up and doing 2 missions at the same time. By the time I get to level 4 they already have all the map pieces and then working on the dagger and I'm setting up traps like crazy to level up. At least the servivors are allowed to do only 1 mission at a time. It's irritating

[@triforceterror4056]

F Canceling seems fair. It would be way too clunky if you had to finish the animation before using a finisher.