Evolution denial, presup nonsense, and bipartisan politics

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[@antsywoman]

All this shows is how much our education system needs to teach critical thinking/philosophy/philosophy of science. I ended up studying it formally in Masters, and it blew my mind. It should not have.

[@AnoopMenonOnline]

Ultimately Pradeep ended up being intellectually dishonest

[@Ulpzexkgwjjzx8655]

😂

[@infinity70455]

4:20 start

[@AnimaGosh]

Thanks man

[@Daneilgates]

Thanks bro

[@harshsharmap.2333]

Pradip was the worst caller Vimoh can ever had

[@sudeepbarla-f4e]

Probably true . But what he was talking about that even vimoh also agreed. Which is you cannot have an absolute 100% and concrete truth claim. We call it PSR. Principle of sufficient Reason. Vimoh says he has sufficient reason to believe in evolution even though nobody has lived long enough to know for sure. What Pradeep is saying is if you cannot know for sure how would you even know for sure that God exists. Pradeep is saying he has strong PSR to believe via his deductive reasoning that God exists. Both are valuing their own PSR. However vimoh would be logically inconsistent if he claims evolution to be true 100% when he says you cannot know something to be true 100%.

[@swapnilshubham]

@@sudeepbarla-f4e Given the evidence we have there is no reason to believe otherwise. But if we come across any new discovery then only we can think of changing our perception we created of all the prior evidence.

[@rangergaming8316]

​@@sudeepbarla-f4e people believe in evolution because of the overwhelming evidence gathered over a long time that proves evolution is real. Could there be some new discovery that's more accurate than that? Sure. But evolution is the majority opinion because of the facts, no one is out here talking about the things that were believed to be right before evolution. What evidence exists to support that a God exists? Has there been a study that proves God is real or is there any evidence of any God from any major religion ever existing? Pradeep's belief is based on no facts or evidence which is completely different from basing your opinion on facts and evidence and being open to being proven wrong if there's stronger evidence proving that.

[@Learner980]

​@@sudeepbarla-f4eVimoh has never said that evolution is 100% true. You are saying Pradip has enough reasons to believe that God exists but can you point what are those reasons??

[@Ulpzexkgwjjzx8655]

Thanks to me

[@arkaprovochoudhury]

Happy Virthday Vimoh!❤️

[@sneha6652]

14:45 hey vimoh!! I have faced this situation too. When I said I don't follow Hinduism and don't want to associate my name with it, some people got offended and said I am trying to become western and following a trend and nastiks are also Hindus blah blah. I had to take a hard take on casteism and give them a long lecture on it and Krishna, had to go through casteism in upnishads and Gita just to bash them how casteism is core to Hinduism then they blocked me. That's the story it is also hard for many Hindus to accept Hindus can be "atheist" not nastik wala atheist. They always try to bring you in Hinduism sab hindu hai, phir discriminate Karo hum upar tum niche.

[@NeKo19113]

Idk what's the weird take in hindus, why they just trynna claim everyone in the world as such... "Oh sikhs and buddh people are hindus as well", my guy, for them to be hindus, you'll need a general consensus from their community, not your community 🤦🏻🤷🏻

[@PK_1024]

Hi Kazi, you're already an MP when you win the election. Oath is for participating in the parliament (of course you'll be disqualified if you don't attend for 6 months). But having an examination is really bad idea, on the face of it, it looks like a good idea, but it will be means to discriminate backward people, and they'll not be able to elect their own to represent their interests... And there are things which local governments can work more efficiently. Things like foreign policy and defence can be with central government. Even ghut national highways states can collaborate. Only local governments will be accountable for local problems. Otherwise issues will not be visible or cared. That's what happens in Delhi and ladakh and Kashmir when statehood is removed.

[@crazygamer93000]

10:28 I asked that question because I've often heard this "Alienation" argument from conservatives in my state of West Bengal when they talk about immigration of people from the Hindi belt, and from white people in Western countries when they talk about Asian immigration. Especially the conservative Bengali people. When they talk about Hindi migrants in my state they say things like: They don't look/talk like us, we don't understand them and they don't understand us, they have more money power than us so they're able to set up businesses where we have to go ask for employment, they don't know a word of Bengali but we have to learn Hindi to work with them, what if this trend continues, what will become of our city, our state, our Bengali culture and heritage etc. When conservatives talk about feeling "alienated" by queer people or by people of another religion, they're clearly bluffing. But when I hear them talking about feeling "alienated" in the presence of different looking people who speak a different language, I can't really think of a good response. I imagine that _maybe_ they're talking about the feeling we might get as Indians if we move to a country like China and start living there, surrounded all the time by people who don't know a word of our language and don't like us (NO HATE TO THEM, I'm just trying to make a point here). Of course experiences will vary for different people, but I've definitely heard of people's social life or mental health getting affected while they were living alone in a foreign country (I'm talking only about the "Feelings" they talk about, of course immigrants will never outnumber the native population). I'm not a racist/conservative as Vimoh assumed, and I definitely don't buy everything they say. I was just confused, so I thought maybe Vimoh could give a good response to this conservative argument. But I guess I did a bad job of framing the question and he misunderstood me, so I'm just clarifying what I meant by that question here. I hate it when people misunderstand me, but then again I can't explain myself much within a 200 character limit 😥

[@shivamkatale5909]

Noones's gonna read that bro

[@crazygamer93000]

@@shivamkatale5909I know, still I just thought I should clarify!

[@kevivsinha5128]

At around 1:07:50 the guy says 'i trust my brain because my brain is telling me to trust it'. I would suggest he should put the brain in its place by not trusting it. Because we should not trust anything which simply say that we should trust them. That would be blind faith. 🙏

[@Sky-nj7eh]

@vimohlive What's the stream intro song? It's so good! Btw, Love your content!

[@sanakpattanaik8505]

Yes we should also talk about andaman deforestation

[@AjayKumar-uv2qe]

To the last guy, is '@namanshrivastava an IFS officer'. You can work for the UN and MEA without being IFS.

[@ayanyunus4157]

I liked the video but truly liked your last comments about the cricket match 😂😂😂

[@mk_sleepyhead]

I think a lot of people confuse all atheists with *Gnostic atheists which is probably where most of their arguments regarding proofs come from. There is a huge difference between just rejecting a belief that God exists and believing that God does not exists at all. Edit point: Gnostic atheist not anti-theists

[@soulscream009]

Agreed

[@one_autumn_leaf69]

Believing that God does not exist at all means gnostic atheism not anti theism.

[@mk_sleepyhead]

@@one_autumn_leaf69 Thanks for the correction.

[@PK_1024]

Hi Deep, good for you trying to be curious and learn more. But because some people are using the word consciousness wrongly, should I stop using the word consciousness correctly because there are many people who are misunderstanding it to be mind brain duality when there's no such duality and consciousness might just be an emergent property of the brain? Be it the emergent property of the brain or due to some magic, consciousness word is part of language that has particular meaning, language is ever evolving, sometimes abstract, sometimes particular, sometimes descriptive and sometimes prescriptive. Is it right to blame the language? It's how it is, and if enough people think we're using it wrongly, then meaning will gradually (sometimes slowly and sometimes fastly) change.

[@TheLevenon]

i watch this while i eat, and ungrad philo class yaad aa gya

[@Lemon-lp1qb]

I don't know much about people in polyamrous relationships. As i dont know any person who is like that. But I was curious if they dont feel jealousy?

[@khushnawazali9075]

Kyaa? Mtlab

[@TravelleroftheMicrocosmos]

Well, some people are comfortable being polyamorous without feeling jealous (case in point, me) but if someone does feel jealous, then maybe polyamory is not for them.

[@khushnawazali9075]

Hindi me bolo 🤔

[@dragenoxinside]

I want to debate you Vimoh. But I don't know how to, please help? Also I want to know if you are an absolute atheist or an agnostic atheist?

[@vimohlive]

Agnostic Atheist. Come to the live stream any Saturday at 8 pm. There will be a link to join.

[@basantprasadsgarden8365]

7:06 I don't think reacting to such channels ia worth it. They are just trying to create a controversy to gain popularity.

[@akshay5295]

Logic is independent of nature

[@prashiktambe693]

What do u do for living?source of income?

[@udbhav5079]

_"Laws of motion"_ - Pradeep 🤮 _"..Laws of logic.."_ - Pradeep ☺️

[@soulscream009]

😂

[@coolharry0588]

@Vijendra Mohanty. .. why does your room have two doors 🚪?

[@neelkamal1269]

I guess one is bathroom

[@Ulpzexkgwjjzx8655]

Window

[@coolharry0588]

Window 🪟 would not be so long

[@Ulpzexkgwjjzx8655]

​@@coolharry0588 talking about the right side

[@coolharry0588]

Which one has the red pill 💊 (the matrix) 😮😅?

[@kanansingh8983]

Naman Srivastav always remains neutral even when there is need to support the victims

[@roushankumar-pk8wu]

Deep gets too deep

[@Learner980]

Lol. He is so superficial that he is not even ready get simple things. Is only good at making word salad and showing enticing body language to look like "he is deep"

[@deepankulandaisami9544]

​@@Learner980 what is simple and obvious to you is not the same for people in delusion.

[@Ulpzexkgwjjzx8655]

Deep was right! bss usse intentionally baat rakhne nhi di ? Vimoh is like. No no no deep don't say that others have different view point so dont say anything 😊

[@Ulpzexkgwjjzx8655]

How do I know deep was right? Pehele usse bolne to de 🙆

[@cinemine777]

Vimo sir please Sahil nadeem jisey bande k class lee zyada jahalat phela raha hain

[@shahzadzaman2957]

24:20 How old is this kid!

[@deepankulandaisami9544]

I am 20 years old :)

[@shahzadzaman2957]

@@deepankulandaisami9544 Nice. Please focus on building a career. All this meta, unprovable stuff can wait another 15-20 years.

[@deepankulandaisami9544]

@@shahzadzaman2957 okay

[@PK_1024]

Aye monster... People are not getting turn to talk and you want to skip a stream? 😅

[@anandgarhwal1421]

today i realised grown ass men getting either upset or happy over cricket is cringey as fcuk, middle aged men with their mid life crises getting serious over cricket, eww bhai their are much more important things in life, mei nai dekhne wala ab se cricket, i have to grow up, kab tak bacha ban ke rehenge bkc nothing changes in anyones life game ka result kuch bhi ho, this is not like elections, budget, hate crimes, war, important policy decision... nothing kuch nai hora isse, game ko game jitna hi importance do toh hi thik hai i wanted to rant this somewhere so ranting it here

[@luimui3107]

Oh~ people are crazy. I went to bed early yesterday and suddenly I heard a bunch of cars alarm system going off (including mine) cuz a bunch of adults (in their mid 20s) decided that 12 am at the the parking lot is an appropriate time and place to *burn crackers*. Their reason : india jeet gayi. Social media sites also become really toxic in IPL season, I dunno why..

[@Learner980]

True man.. I've realised it over the time. Aspiring for country's victory is not bad but cricket in India is becoming too toxic. Those cricket icons at the end of the day do not hesitate to sell crap to their own country's youths who support them like mad.

[@gvasu3445]

I never chose India to be born. I was just born here. I'm despised by othets when I supported a team that I like instead of India. Why am I forced to support India ??!!! Unnecessary nationalism.

[@Gulfraz_]

I came to convince 😋 but I don't know what was wrong about me. 😮 Deep 😂 Baby that's wrong with you 😢

[@deepankulandaisami9544]

Ok :)

[@akshay5295]

Laws of logic are not reality. Logic is ideas.

[@mikejack9465]

Some logic are real and we can call it reality

[@PK_1024]

Hi Pradeep, you'll probably learn this in near future. But what you're going towards by trying to be absolutely certain is hard solipsism. We can't be sure anything apart from you is real, all of the world and people in it can be your imagination or simulation. I don't think anyone solved this problem, but to be a functioning human being in the world, we assume that everything around us is real, what we observe through our senses and process through our brain, otherwise there's no point in talking to anyone, if you're talking, then many times it is assumed that you're not solipsist. But yes, our senses and our brain can deceive us, therefore whenever we say evidence, we talk about it being peer reviewed and verified by others so that we can be sure it is true. Ultimately you've to trust your brain and it's ability to take information, otherwise there's no point in talking. There are people who more frequently hallucinate. They talk to others and confirm if they are also seeing the same thing to be sure and be more probable about reality, of course that person is also seen and processed by the brain, but they can be more probable instead of absolutely certain. Also you're saying how do we know all there's is material and mechanistic? That is because that's what is evident. Do you want me to believe in something that is not evident? With that logic, we can believe in anything from pixies and fairies to unicorns and dragons. I know you feel like mind brain duality and God might have more evidence, but till now we were not able to confirm anything that is not materialistic, that doesn't make it false and prove there's nothing non-material or supernatural, it just means there's no evidence and there's no reason to believe in it. We can still hypothise things and try to conduct experiments to prove it. As time passes people are becoming more and more sure that it's probably not there though... But people can always try and do more experiments to observe the world in a better way.

[@ARHemant]

FEAR THE PUPUDU GUPUDU

[@kongspeaks4778]

Deep needs to calm down a little and not rush to produce answers

[@deepankulandaisami9544]

I understand your concern but this hard problem of consciousness is intellectually very disturbing to me and I genuinely feel a strong need to address it thoroughly.

[@shahzadzaman2957]

49:16 duniya mein kaise kaise pagal bhare hain bhai

[@thementalist956]

2nd 😃

[@user-xs6tp9or5e]

1st