Evolution Of Sonic The Hedgehog In Super Smash Bros Series (Moveset, Animations & More)

[@Master0fHyrule]

Prepare for some more Sonic The Hedgehog videos this week... I already have 2 more videos recorded and ready to go!

[@twinberwolves4231]

Awesome video

[@loredominguez9577]

Happy birthday Sonic! #Sonic

[@Doctor_Bamias]

If you can,do captain falcon evolution in ssb

[@angelog516]

Please make a Hero special moves origin video!! im really curious and i cant find it anywhere on youtube lol

[@sunshinex2012]

Yezzzzz

[@ValunaVibes]

I miss "You're too slow!" It was one of the reasons people rage :(

[@sonicmania6753]

He actually saids it in Japanese version of Ultimate.

[@sonicmania6753]

Still prefer that over Roger Craig Smith

[@cailieisidro5758]

Same and now Thwack makes everyone rage

[@happy4657]

Me too!

[@Hypershadic23]

I miss Jason. Wish he would voice Sonic in the newer games

[@HEXlDEClMAL]

I miss Jason Griffith. I loved using "come on step it up!" and "You're too slow!" To tell my opponents they suck

[@anomaly395]

@Aero Jordan I always liked Jason Griffith better than the other voice actors

[@Medachod]

@Aero Jordan Had Sonic been in Melee, I would have loved to hear what lines Ryan would have given him.

[@notinservice7112]

@@Medachod Probably not something snarky. Ryan's Sonic was kind of the serious type of hero like Captain America. Then you have Jason's who was a bit of a jokester.

[@shuglug]

@@notinservice7112 not really. if anything, jason's sonic is the closest to that serious hero type out of all of them (though he had his moments in the storybook games)

[@notinservice7112]

@@shuglug Well, that's just how you see it when it's really not like that.

[@benjamin7670]

"You're too slow!" "Sonic Speed!" Which is better?

[@theawesonenintendofan3623]

The first of course

[@norikoblastercolors9018]

"You're too slow!" of course

[@mariomythes2807]

“Your too slow!” No doubt

[@yoshiandtailsfan8797]

First

[@zlakdoald]

You're too slow

[@ij1376]

Brawl Sonic: "You're too slow!" Back when Sonic _actually_ taunted his opponents.

[@PoopieMcSkroochiehahaha]

Brawl sonic: •_• Ultimate sonic: _• •

[@anhhuykim5347]

Make sense btw

[@D00DM00D]

Sonic looks weird with his mouth in the middle

[@yucatancallejero]

@@D00DM00D not for me, I think It looks better, just like in the Classic Sonic games

[@D00DM00D]

@@yucatancallejero Nah, he still had his mouth on the side in the classic games, just look up classic sonic official art in google and you'll see

[@krisjolt]

That is when their animation is still bad

[@anomaly395]

Everyone's talking about his animations and expressions, but I just miss his overall design in Brawl. I don't know why, but I guess for me it just feels more like Sonic. He just looks cooler.

[@neptune9647]

His quills are longer, which I love.

[@BlueJack222]

Thank 06 for killing off the style

[@neptune9647]

@@BlueJack222 Oy. No.

[@sonicmania6753]

I personally hated 06’s design. I do prefer Unleashed style since that’s Sonic

[@cookieblobber]

I wasn’t that much of a fan with his quills flowing around, but I do agree he’s more stiff in the recent times

[@matchanavi]

They really butchered some of his expressions after Brawl, especifically the eyes.

[@dissguynotreallyaguy3549]

Yes but we like lt👍

[@incrediblesnn]

POOCH the dog not everyone tho read the comment section

[@therealsonicrb]

why did sakri change his mind and tell roger creg smith to say sonic speed

[@dissguynotreallyaguy3549]

Because of changes and the new sonic games

[@incrediblesnn]

I know

[@KytuzuMastema]

I noticed something in Brawl, he was more expressive and detailed par to modern games. But after that, became a soulless cartoony Sonic.

[@PownicMania5000]

It was probably Sega's choice. In my opinion he's still expressive, just not as much as Brawl Sonic was

[@RBatman5000]

Brawl sonic was the best sonic

[@PownicMania5000]

@@RBatman5000 yep!

[@ager6823]

He did get a bit more expressive coming into Ultimate.

[@RBatman5000]

@@ager6823, some of his old expressions became emotionless in ultimate

[@toddb.9497]

Belive it or not, but that "Go" at 1:26 is one of the most nostalgic "line" to me, Sonic was so cool doing in Brawl..

[@rainman836]

Realtalk bro it's not more the same since Jason Griffith is not more Sonic's voice actor

[@Michael-hc2hp]

Sonic's up smash voice clip is super nostalgic to me. It reminds me of fighting Tabuu with Sonic

[@niceladyoav7891]

I really don't like that they made Sonic's mouth a texture instead of a part of the actual model, it just seems off

[@Cristeve]

Sadly, that same thing happened to many veteran characters, only the new ones and DLC have fully modeled expressions

[@PLASBEZ]

Captain falcon for example: When you use his taunts in sm4sh, his mouth is like a mask. It's downright creepy

[@lightterror3304]

why make it part of the model in the cutscene and not for the character actually fighting and then remove that all together its just dumb

[@toastyy235]

I think its because of how many characters there are. They can't give every chacater a mouth cuz there lazy....

[@Cristeve]

@@toastyy235 Yeah, Zelda's eyes are 3D while Peach's eyes are 2D textures, that's unfair!

[@yoshiandtailsfan8797]

R.I.P. You're Too Slow

[@juansuk012]

Sonic SPEED!

[@fanofluxray]

R.I.P come on step it up

[@youlooksusd6429]

R.I.P. Sonic’s the name, Speed’s my game!

[@UlisesC005]

TheSmash Boi and hey we should do this again sometime

[@carp8716]

R.I.P Bralw sonic

[@isafex2243]

Brawl is one of the few time a centre mouth actually looks good. I'd say it's my favourite of the three, mainly due to the fact he actually shows emotion. Also, the hell happened to his balancing animation in Ultimate?

[@elliefernandez3145]

idk maybe the creaters wanna remove some details cuz they think it looks weird and bad.

[@Ammar_hf]

Actully the Brawl Version Looks Creepy They Could of just make his Mounth move,instead of instantly changing in wii u and ultimate Also his Balancing in Ultimate more Resemble The one in Sonic 1

[@elliefernandez3145]

well u got a point

[@husariuspl117]

I think they should combine Brawl and Ultimate Sonic. I would love to see the expression (especially eyes animation) from brawl and some stuff from Ultimate like taking damage while swimming and drowning. 4 and DS Sonics feels kinda lifeless to me, but I would like to see his Balancing animation. Also I would like to see an option to change some lines like: Sonic's Speed to You're Too Slow And maybe some ispirations to other media like for his sleeping animation he would sleep by laying on the ground and put his arms under his head and put one leg on the the other leg. Like in Sonic X.

[@elliefernandez3145]

maybe thats why nobody reviews sonic in ssbu except MOH

[@jayeatsyams]

how did brawl get the expressions better... ultimates expressions are generally better but sonic? nope

[@Dr.D.R.]

It’s cause sonic became more goofy as a character.

[@ArylBarrel]

Exactly!!

[@alvisv4456]

I find it odd how smash 4 actually gives him a modeled mouth but only in victory screens

[@Stupaipai]

@@Dr.D.R. which sucks

[@Dr.D.R.]

Obama Bin Laden True that.

[@hektorenyioko5018]

10:48 ''HOW... COULD... YOU?!?!''

[@michaellee4463]

"I'LL... PUSH... YOU!!!!"

[@Realicemot0]

A

[@hendzin]

"NOW I SHOW YOU" A Super Sonic iconic Voice line

[@punmaster227]

Brawl Sonic has emotions Smash 4 Sonic is flat Ultimate Sonic is a good 3-D model

[@neptune9647]

I'd argue that his Brawl model is better. Due to the longer spikes and his mouth being in the middle and actually looking nice.

[@AdventVFX]

@@neptune9647 that's more of the design which is faaar superior, like he actually looks cool despite being a cartoon anthropomorphic hedgehog

[@shadpio6347]

Smash 4’s sonic model is the same as ultimate’s model

[@KingCobra2287-r1j]

SuperMario_Style Smash Ultimate Sonic has a little bit more expressions than Smash 4 Sonic, but will never be as good as Brawl Sonic’s model

[@sherzanman1188]

@@shadpio6347 but ultimate is more vibrant

[@jasomega2446]

He became stronger in exchange of character detail.

[@chefinabottle]

Yeah, one think I noticed is during his foot tap idle. Instead of having the impatient look like he did in brawl, he has that stupid smirk plastered to his face.

[@cenaandmiz]

@@chefinabottle In Ultimate his mouth is drawn on instead of modeled like it was in Brawl which is why it looks so stupid lol.

[@cristhiamg.salgado3845]

@@cenaandmiz well in smash 4 his mouth is the same except for the victory poses

[@Javeton]

Wrong. 06 Sonic got exchanged...

[@tatarsauce6314]

Sonic was strongest in sm4sh

[@LucarioDXAuraStorm]

I love how everyone is pointing out how expressive Sonic's Brawl model is compared to Smash 4 & Ultimate, but can we also admire how long his quills were in Brawl too? GOD, they looked good. I'll never understand why SEGA decided to make them shorter after Unleashed (Or Colors. Idk)

[@andreaboscolocegion3104]

Lost world was the First modern Sonic with short quills

[@Skerp129]

To look more marketable to the public eye and with the new generation of sonic fans

[@Michael-hc2hp]

It started in Lost World, so after Generations. His quills looked so good then they made them short. I didn't notice until Forces came out though.

[@theARDISAN]

I hated his 06 design in Brawl. Longer quils makes him look more like an alien than he already does. Also the quills flopping around like that looks ugly imo, quills arent supposed to flop like that. I prefer ultimates model. Its a mix between classic and modern and im glad SEGA changed it.

[@kovidarthehedgehog4066]

@@theARDISAN An unpopular opinion here. I prefer Sonic’s design from Mario and Sonic Olympic games 2020 model.

[@modern2833]

6:50 You can see Sonic's face expression while getting hurt.

[@PG-sy6dh]

"UR 2 SLOW" and "NOW I'LL SHOW YOU! HURRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAGGGH!" will always be better than "Sanic Spee" and "souper sanic style. hoya."

[@LimitlessZspeed]

Agree😂

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

Why is everyone mad that the Victory theme is from 06? It’s the most fitting for winning a victory as Sonic in Smash Bros

[@juanl3843]

Soshi The Yoshi Because they probably still hate Sonic 06

[@ped3752]

I don't dislike 06 but i feel the first Sonic the Hedgehog fanfare would be cooler.

[@AHun-t]

Yea 06 while messing sonic a lot it still had a banger sound track and a cool villain that wasn’t Eggman

[@armearquimaga3273]

The game is bad but the songs are awesome!

[@Munky_Boi]

bc sonic is the only character in the game that doesn't have a uniquely composed victory theme.

[@SonicStalker123]

Why did they change the “you’re too slow!” Taunt? The new one just doesn’t make sense really.

[@Ahhlul]

Right.

[@SonicStalker123]

Ngl the original one was better.

[@mariathompson5104]

For brawl, Jason Griffith was actually brought in to record lines for sonic specifically for that game. Come smash 4, they just reused voice clips of Roger Craig Smith from Sonic Generations. So they unfortunately couldn’t replicate his exact dialogue from Brawl

[@HopefulBlue]

Maria Thompson that’s tuff

[@Medachod]

@@mariathompson5104 I believe Sakurai wanted Roger to record new lines, but he refused. He initially was going to use Jason's voice again until SEGA specifically said to use Roger.

[@andremckenzie9746]

It's like he can't do anything but smile in the later games. It's kind of annoying. No attitude.

[@Jtmissile]

Taking his own advice from 06

[@Monotail_Razuin]

You can thanks Sega for that rule. Apparently, he's not allowed to emote anymore other than being happy

[@PerfectGamerRBLX]

@@Monotail_Razuin thats the life of sonic whats the point of having a stupid depressed hedgehog

[@andremckenzie9746]

@@Monotail_Razuin for real?

[@EternityVoid_]

@@Monotail_Razuin Pretty much, Sega needs new writers for the series.

[@3dos96]

8:14 You finally learn to swim for a few seconds Thats a big improvements.

[@temerodiavolo470]

Brawl: "NOW I'LL SHOW YOU! HUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!! 4 and Ultimate: "Super Sonic style, haeee"

[@mrvna2840]

Soundbite from a generation cutscene,lazy Nintendo

[@princesskikita]

He looks more badass in Brawl. And his quills got shorter lmao

[@tjviogz5501]

I’ma play this for real

[@ArylBarrel]

I mean the quills got shorter in the games too within the past decade or so.

[@M_ZS19]

@@ArylBarrel so?

[@ArylBarrel]

@@M_ZS19 which explains why the same thing happened in smash

[@M_ZS19]

@@ArylBarrel oh ok, I personally think they should’ve made it stay the same for more realistic movements via smbb

[@vortexluigirosalina5557]

I like sonic taking damage in Ultimate while swimming

[@RBatman5000]

It's a unique detail im glad they added in

[@Ahhlul]

Thats a giant nerf -.-

[@RBatman5000]

@@Ahhlul, it's not a Nerf, it's good for sonic, sonic doesnt know how to swim that well, it's a good addition

[@Ahhlul]

@@RBatman5000 better they reducing his swim time not taking damage

[@RBatman5000]

@@Ahhlul, a bit true, but what they gave him was still decent

[@Nov-5062]

Brawl's Sonic was better than the other Sonics in any aspect.

[@L4Tur]

Nov 5062 too bad that was his worse in competitive play

[@Nov-5062]

@@L4Tur his final smash was so good it was almost unfair.

[@mariathompson5104]

Brawl sonic was a lot more expressive, but had much more washed out colors (though that was Brawl’s aesthetic in general)

[@cobalt318]

Brawl Sonics attitude, expressions, etc were the best. But sm4sh Sonic was one of the top ten best in the game. Ultimate Sonic is just... There

[@HopefulBlue]

Nov 5062 I’d say Ultimate Sonic’s Victory Screens and color are the best, but besides that, Brawl Sonic is the best Sonic

[@amazinghedgehog1247]

•Quills are shorter compared to Brawl •Soulless smiling compared to Brawl •Ear-piercing voice compared to Brawl •Microsoft-Painted Mouth compared to Brawl •Forgettable taunts compared to Brawl •Spin-ball is softer compared to Brawl •Weak Final Smash compared to Brawl The only thing I can find that they did right in later games was making him drown in the water instead of swimming. What happened to him . . . ?

[@Demonic_Pulsar]

sonic is getting downgraded each years

[@El_Mince]

Roger isn’t that bad

[@hirotrum6810]

Sega added brand consistency mandates in between brawl and smash 4

[@twoguysthatwearhoodies]

the only good change in ultimate's design choices for sonic is the new flair on his animations

[@Ray_4653]

​@@El_MinceYeah, I agree whit You, but you must be clear that Jason's voice in Brawl was a thousand times better

[@mecojean4119]

3:27 Brawl: Energy Ball Sm4sh: Billar Ball Ultimate: Clay Ball

[@seichara0127]

Brawl Sonic was definitely the best one imo. amazing VA, iconic taunt lines and he was even more expressive- it's a shame we don't have that Sonic anymore. :')

[@theARDISAN]

I like the new one more, VA and all. Just wish Sonics mouth wasnt a flat texture and he would emote alittle more.

[@matthewgildea1013]

@@theARDISAN j

[@matthewgildea1013]

0spdcv

[@tomatelord8126]

@@theARDISAN ok, I respect your opinion, but good old Brawl Sonic is the best

[@orangeslash1667]

@@tomatelord8126 Oh get this, Sonic's expressions in Brawl is meant to be faithful to his American marketing, were as Smash 4 is meant to be faithful to his Japanese marketing. More pacifically the differences between the Sonic's marketing in the classic games. You know how a lot of Japaneses characters usually have an edgier look in the western box art, Sonic is one of them. However Sega of American has been downsized in 2011, So maybe Sega Of Japan was in charge when Sonic returned for Smash??? Why, it's confirmed that Sega Of Japan hated Sonic's Western marketing. In fact Sega Of America and Japan sometimes argue, even during the Saturn era. Sonic's look in Smash 4 also kinda reminds me of how Sonic looked in Sonic the Fighters. Which is where a lot of Sonic's non specials come from, so at least it's faithful to the character technically!!!!!!

[@franki3v]

bruh they nerfed sonic overall. His animations gave him such a unique look(especially his mouth and spikes) to what people call sonic. Now he just looks soulless with that microsoft paint drawn smile. As much as I hated the movement of his final smash in Brawl, I prefer it over his newer one because of how hard it is to damage ppl with it and how hard it is to kill with it.

[@Ahhlul]

The new final smash is way too bad, the old final smash need a huge buff to gameplay like better control and a bit slowness but more hitbox.

[@franki3v]

@@Ahhlul Yeah that too. Also sonic is looked at as a joke now and it disappoints me because he made a big difference in gaming in 1990's but now it's like SEGA doesn't know how to represent sonic. Brawl made the sonic franchise more popular among nintendo players and after that it's like most sonic games lack sonics design plus his character. ( I know this was unnecessary but i thought i should say it)

[@bestbechara8682]

I know, though to be fair smash characters are toys (Smash 64)

[@tjlnintendo]

Frank is dank Sonic was popular with Nintendo gamers during the GameCube era since he had adventure 1 and 2 ported there and sonic heroes and many other games which sold well on the GameCube

[@manimanistatue]

Frank is dank Sonic was already popular with Nintendo fans tho, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle sold really well

[@jayb9310]

Smash Bros Brawl: Swim Time! 4: Swim Time! Ultimate: *Wait, I can't swim!*

[@estebanronaldoo]

8:45 OBVIOUSLY SSBB THE BEST

[@KerMaWaffLe]

ever since Jason Griffith left Sonic, the Sonic Spirit left with him.

[@moesabally1502]

And then he became an obnoxious douche, with a try hard voice making lame jokes.

[@sonicmania6753]

Even since old writers left, Sonic’s spirit left with them.

[@xxx_avenger_520_xxx8]

@@moesabally1502 Oh come on, Roger Craig is good voice actor too

[@moesabally1502]

xXx_AVENGER_520_xXx Good voice actor, but mediocre sonic voice actor.

[@Alzter0]

I'd say it's more about the direction of his voice acting.

[@HerotonAlmighty2011]

Every time I see Sonic Smash videos, I wish we could have Griffith voicing him again without modding the games...

[@delphoxhoopa7289]

Yes!😎

[@toxronin3971]

Same

[@HerotonAlmighty2011]

@Dallas I feel like you're using "you guys" to describe everyone when there were people like myself that WANTED the 4Kids cast to stay

[@HerotonAlmighty2011]

@Dallas Yeah I remember them, some of them went so far as to falsify his death and say he was recast on Wikipedia. I'm not even joking, that happened around 2009

[@toxronin3971]

Dallas I was born in 02 so to me Griffith is the original sonic voice.

[@Yasuuuuuuuu]

People say brawl was the worst game, but they forget that sonic was a gem until he became a soulless model with a plastered-on decal smile and eyes that never changed in shape.

[@2sharsundarka512]

Yeah, in the later games his mouth is only animated when he's hurt or is in danger, which is kind of insulting

[@modern2833]

People say Brawl was the worse game because there sense of games is trash. Because Brawl is the best game.

[@abesfunworld9741]

@@modern2833 ikr

[@_G.C]

Worst smash game is either 64 or 4

[@Yasuuuuuuuu]

@@_G.C to be fair 64 was the first one and I’m pretty sure it was made in 1999, and I think 4 is pretty good

[@ChumboFumbo]

Brawl’s Sonic was probably the best. He was incredibly expressive, his taunts and voice acting were better (this is coming from someone who loves roger Craig smith’s sonic), and his quills had some bounce to them. They really dropped the ball on his franchise’s inclusion in sm4sh and smash ultimate. They really need to give the sonic games more love. Maybe some more stages that aren’t basically just green hill, some more remixed music, and maybe even a new character.

[@bobachii]

Man, Jason Griffith's Sonic was unique. His taunts were legitimate taunts, his facial expressions were so much better instead of a plastered side mouth. Jason's Sonic died when he left they changed his personality for the new games. I don't care what anyone else says about Brawl. Not the best smash bros for fighting, but it shines brighter than any diamond when it comes to nostalgia and joy.

[@cicirosehannigan]

Brawl Sonic just moves more naturally

[@wet0wl]

And Sonic is supposed to move naturally?

[@cicirosehannigan]

@@wet0wl in terms of facial features, yes

[@wet0wl]

@@cicirosehannigan Well you’re right on that part

[@Medachod]

Brawl Sonic looks the best. Hate Jason Griffith all you want, he was at his best in Brawl. He nailed Sonic so well that he even gave Ryan Drummond a run for his money. Roger Craig Smith only fits well with Boom Sonic due to his snarkiness. Also, I really miss that up aerial animation from Brawl. Looked so cool.

[@phiphi2209]

Medachod I think people really came to love Jason Griffith after seeing what horrendous voice actor came after it

[@Medachod]

@@phiphi2209 Well, also notice how his hate started to disappear around the same year Brawl came out. Jason Griffith finally had respect, but it was too late. Had he sounded just as good when he first started as he did in every subsequent role Brawl onward, he would have never been replaced.

[@blitz4506]

Medachod I actually like Roger for having the most personality...Roger actually feels diverse when he wants too in my opinion

[@Medachod]

@@blitz4506 In his other roles, yeah. As far as talented voice actors go, Roger has more experience than Ryan and Jason combined and is amazing in all the anime he does. As a general voice actor, the other two don't hold much over him. However, his tone is fairly the same across all of his roles, which makes him suffer in regard to giving Sonic a tone similar to how the creator wanted. Not that he's necessarily bad. In regard to which English voice copied SEGA's original vision the best, that would be Ryan. They were both identical to each other in loving the role. Jason came pretty close and perfected it by his last few years. If I disregard Roger from Sonic as a whole, I can see him as a good Sonic, which is a sad thing to say when I think about it. What I mean by it is that, since Sonic Boom wasn't made in Japan, Roger was the first voice for Boom Sonic and thus, this Sonic was designed with Roger in mind. Similar to the Genie from Aladdin being designed with Robin Williams in mind. But really, I would have loved to hear how Roger would have voiced Sonic as his first English voice. I wonder what kind of inflection he would have given him back then.

[@blitz4506]

Medachod yeah...I feel like they should try to have Roger in mind because the sega of America workers give the characters more expression. just look at the Twitter takeover or boom. I love both Ryan and Jason but my only problem with them is that they only show 1-2 sides of sonic. for example Jason should Sonic's mature and understanding side but not his energetic side as much. Overall, I like all sonic VAs and believe they evolved the character. Same thing I can say about all the other Sonic (the franchise) VAs

[@ElWeyChingon]

I still miss “The winner is...”

[@phantommenace5515]

Me too

[@rog4566]

"the winner is" makes it like I won something important but the win screens suck "*insert fighter name* wins" doesn't but the win screens are amazing

[@Medachod]

@@rog4566 I don't like that they sped up the victory screens. They shaved mere seconds. And poor Yoshi had his theme butchered.

[@rog4566]

@@Medachod remember how they cutted off bayonettas taunts in ssbu and it doesnt match the voice

[@Medachod]

@@rog4566 Yeah. Them speeding up the gameplay was a good idea, but speeding up normal and victory taunts was just stupid. Ice Climbers also lost part of their theme as well.

[@yoyooo2008]

5:50 best part

[@M_X1233]

7:30 Adorable 💙🦔

[@Dr.D.R.]

10:02 That hit me. Right in the feels.

[@TheLenesco]

8:06 It almost looks like hes trying to run the Loop in the Background

[@ktoon4725]

Is it just me or dose Sonic look most expressive in brawl, his mouth in 4 looks like it was just drawn on

[@EviltheSackboy]

To me, it looks like a printed mouth

[@abesfunworld9741]

To me it looks like a amazon mouth

[@Dieg0_616]

His mouth in Sm4sh and Ultimate are only textures...

[@kyleandrade6140]

It’s a fact

[@slwoo7432]

Unpopular opinion:I like it better than brawl

[@mansay500]

Sonic: you’re too slow! Everybody: we’re too slow!!!

[@k-leb4671]

It's kinda funny how in some ways, the developers improved the animations in later games, but then also dropped the ball in weird ways, like not retaining his iconic facial expression when he stomps his foot in impatience at the player. He had it in Brawl but doesn't in 4 onwards. They were so rushed/lazy with his attack animations in Brawl yet were able to animate his face surprisingly well...and then just forgot about his face in 4 onwards. And then there's the fact that they should've done a lot more to diversify his moveset in general.

[@orangeslash1667]

Oh get this, Sonic's expressions in Brawl is meant to be faithful to his American marketing, were as Smash 4 is meant to be faithful to his Japanese marketing. More pacifically the differences between the Sonic's marketing in the classic games. You know how a lot of Japaneses characters usually have an edgier look in the western box art, Sonic is one of them. However Sega of American has been downsized in 2011, So maybe Sega Of Japan was in charge when Sonic returned for Smash??? Why, it's confirmed that Sega Of Japan hated Sonic's Western marketing. In fact Sega Of America and Japan sometimes argue, even during the Saturn era. Sonic's look in Smash 4 also kinda reminds me of how Sonic looked in Sonic the Fighters. Which is where a lot of Sonic's non specials come from, so at least it's faithful to the character technically!!!!!!

[@Azurald55]

​​@@orangeslash1667 Interesting though if that's the case maybe they'll change in the next smash game after frontiers. Sonic felt more like a shounen protagonist in that game compared to the last decade. It felt more closer to what he used to be like in the 2000s. I hope they do, the way Sonic seems like now feels so wrong to me. I won't deny that it's still pretty faithful however it's more towards classic Sonic. I don't mind that however it feels wrong to use modern Sonic like this when he's designed to be distinct from classic Sonic. I'd prefer if he had classic Sonic as an echo, i think it would work much better on him. Sega has treated them almost like separate characters so it wouldnt be too crazy. Classic Sonic still gets games so it wouldn't just be representing the past.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@Azurald55 Sakurai usually has to reduce Sonic to their less powerful incarnations in order to maintain game balance. For example there's a reason Sora in Smash bros is reduced to just KH 1 moves, because KH 1 is where Sora was at his most limited. If Sora in Smash had more KH 3 moves, he be broken. There's also Ridley, to make sure Ridley wouldn't be too big for Smash bros, Sakurai reduced Ridley's size to his NES appearance. However the NES game is also Ridley at his weakest. Which explains why Ridley is one point lighter than Samus. Just case a character has a lot to work thing, doesn't mean the smash version can have all of that potential. The reason Ice climbers, Game and Watch don't have this problem is because their not canonically as powerful as Sonic.

[@Boomer-rrb]

@orangeslash1667 imagine Mario using the mega mushroom and all his invincibility power ups at once ugh

[@youpickwario1992]

“Your to sloow" God I miss Jason Griffin

[@playerback7722]

That line was said in Sonic Boom

[@kovidarthehedgehog4066]

@@playerback7722 Roger Craig Smith did. I wish he voices him in Smash like Jason Griffith tho.

[@sherzanman1188]

Brawl: sonic o6 model Smash4: sonic lost world Model Ultimate: forces model

[@kovidarthehedgehog4066]

@@sherzanman1188 actually the Smash4 one was from Unleashed.

[@sherzanman1188]

@@kovidarthehedgehog4066kinda

[@ThatSpaceBerry]

smash brawl and 4: sonic swimming me: wait that illegal

[@BLU3B3RRY_B4LL3D]

Shouldve stayed with "you're too slow!" That would've been disrespectful on SO many levels

[@danielaarroyo1622]

Jason Griffin sonic: You're too slow Roger Craig sonic: sonic speed Me: *LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY*

[@FlamingFoxProd]

Out of all the people in this comment section, I think I'm the only one that actually likes the newer sonic better. AND I GREW UP WITH BRAWL. In fact it is the only one of the of the official Smash games I have played so far. There's something I've always enjoyed about Modern Sonic's look in games like Sonic Unleashed and Generations, which is what was used in Wii U and Ultimate. The look suits the character well. Sonic is a cartoony character, and it makes sense for him to have a cartoony look. However it still manages to represent his "rad" 90's edge, just not excessively like in Brawl. Along with that all of Sonic's animations seem generally more fast, snappy and stylized. While fundamentally it's the same move, Sonic will get from keyframe A to keyframe B much faster, which not only allows Sonic's actions to feel much more responsive and better to control, but also obviously represents Sonic's character. Now, I do still really miss Sonic's expressiveness in Brawl. While I don't really like the centered mouth, he had more expressiveness in Brawl than in Sm4sh. Some of it was brought back in Ultimate, but it still could be better. Another thing is his voice actor. My favorite Sonic voice actor is and always will be Jason Griffith, but it was changed in the main Sonic games and so it had to be changed in Smash. Even so, I really like Ultimate Sonic more then Brawl Sonic in terms of his visual design and animation. If you like Brawl Sonic better, be my guest. You can have your opinion, this is mine. Just wanted to give my thoughts on the matter.

[@theARDISAN]

I agree 99%. Except for voices, I never cared for any of this sonic voices and Im definitely alone in that thought. People talk about sonic spikes and that its better in brawl because its long and moves around a lot but people need to realize spikes are supposed to be stiff to effectively hurt you. Also theres complaints about brawl down smash and dash attack being changed from a ball attack (of the thousands sonic already has) to something different and new.

[@loriayegallen555]

Finnaly, someone understands.

[@FlamingFoxProd]

@@loriayegallen555 Ironic that you're saying this because looking back, I really don't agree with anything I said back then lmao, aside from the snappiness of the animation being better. I honestly prefer the proportions and face of the brawl model significantly more, outside of the centered mouth

[@loriayegallen555]

@@FlamingFoxProd I wanna turn you into soup!

[@orangeslash1667]

@@FlamingFoxProd Oh get this, Sonic's expressions in Brawl is meant to be faithful to his American marketing, were as Smash 4 is meant to be faithful to his Japanese marketing. More pacifically the differences between the Sonic's marketing in the classic games. You know how a lot of Japaneses characters usually have an edgier look in the western box art, Sonic is one of them. However Sega of American has been downsized in 2011, So maybe Sega Of Japan was in charge when Sonic returned for Smash??? Why, it's confirmed that Sega Of Japan hated Sonic's Western marketing. In fact Sega Of America and Japan sometimes argue, even during the Saturn era. Sonic's look in Smash 4 also kinda reminds me of how Sonic looked in Sonic the Fighters. Which is where a lot of Sonic's non specials come from, so at least it's faithful to the character technically!!!!!!

[@SanonixFastTime]

10:51 Purple Sonic: Nah wanna some chili dogs? Sonic: ok I'M OUT OF HERE

[@rajaniomaker1840]

You know whats the best sentence i heard in the history of smash? *NOW ILL SHOW YOU! NRRRREAAAAH!* i wish it returns ;(

[@MK8MasterJunjie]

It won't.

[@rajaniomaker1840]

MK8 Master! I know it wont jason isnt here

[@MK8MasterJunjie]

@@rajaniomaker1840 Who is he?

[@TheSkyrocketYT]

@@MK8MasterJunjie The voice actor for Sonic in Brawl

[@GMKGoji01]

I know Sonic looked so expressive in Brawl, but I don't care how Sonic is suppose to look. He's still the cool blue blur I know and love.

[@darkscorpion4507]

That's your opinion

[@sexyman9914]

Ur profile is gay af

[@bonkbonk5145]

uvu indeed

[@AdventVFX]

I respect it, you loyal af

[@jamiegioca9448]

Now yer' talkin'

[@DaveFR1]

4:45 knuckles what are you doing in there?

[@houssn324]

5:25 in Brawl he has physics for his spines, and I find that cool

[@tailsfan11westandwithukraine]

I never noticed that, but you’re right. That was only done in his debut smash bros game.

[@2saph2lose28]

If Sonic were in Melee, he would look like his Adventure 2 self and he would be voiced by Ryan Drummond.

[@R.J.Productions616]

What ? I get the Ryan Drummond. But I don't understand what you're trying to say

[@flybid301]

no it would be adventure 1 take a look at smash 2 sonic

[@naveeanamassawe5059]

Wait why wasn't Sonic in Melee?

[@RobbieMelvilleYT]

Spider-Man {Sonic Parker} and who is?

[@soraiiro_]

@@Spider-Sonic_Prime he is

[@Iamwhatiam1]

Brawl was his best Look in my case.

[@xmay_mayx]

If I had to choose a favorite, without a doubt it's Brawl. Definitely

[@tamisherman265]

Me too!

[@joannarossi8777]

Ultimate is better

[@xmay_mayx]

@@joannarossi8777 ouch. :')

[@loriayegallen555]

@@joannarossi8777 I agree with you.

[@benjaminsaezjachura4068]

True, the best Sonic for me will always be the brawl

[@crextivve]

I miss it when his his quills would jiggle each time he said “you’re to slow”or anytime he moved, attack or stay still, smash bros brawl to smash bros 4 was the great era, mainly brawl

[@alonsogoth89]

9:54 One thing that always bothered me is his victory animation he has a 3D mouth like it's actually animated but the one in-game (or the model on the right) the mouth is textured.

[@kl.8513]

*NOW I’LL SHOW YOU!!!! - Sonic Brawl*

[@orangeamongus21]

SUPER SONIC STYLE! - Sonic SSB4/SSBU

[@flamingfire1699]

nintendo: hey why don't we make sonic pretty much the same in smash for wii u and smash ultimate sonic: "Is that all you've got?"

[@danofsteel785]

Nintendo: No, but thank you for asking. :3

[@ericschannel983]

Nintendo: **starts another console**

[@ahmadkazan7994]

@@ericschannel983 PS5: *no you won't* Joke aside I would really love if nintendo won the next console war.All the time it is Sony destroying competition.A nice change.

[@nonnon6856]

8:43 that's was the real super sonic

[@kyokokirigiri6897]

8:45*

[@nakiasmith2699]

The moment u knew u were screwed

[@herrscherofisaf5592]

@Luis Gustavo 8:46[.5]

[@slwoo7432]

9:03

[@shaggythegrim9939]

man back in brawl Sonic deserved to be as cocky as he wanted since he saved the smash bros universe by destroying tabbuu

[@EyeofKoruption]

06 sonic looking pretty good right about now.

[@cailieisidro5758]

I prefer Brawl Sonic because he had a better voice actor and his taunt was outstanding. Roger Craig Smith isn't bad but Jason Griffith was more fitting to Sonic. Also "You're too slow" annoyed people before Hero.

[@rog4566]

not to mention brawl sonic moves naturally and is more expressive

[@ArylBarrel]

Rog456 Yup.

[@loriayegallen555]

Yeah, but because off sonic,s you,re to slow, people kept hating sonic and sonic was the less liked character in brawl, so they had to change it.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

*Usain Bolts:* _I am SPEED..._ *Sonic The Hedgehog:* I am... GOTTA GO FAST!!! *Usain Bolts:* _OH SUGAR HONEY ICED TEA!!!_

[@Jorx390]

Lol that's from Madagascar (the sugar honey iced tea)

[@bludj992]

There isn't an *S* at the end of Bolt's name. It's Usain Bolt.

[@placeholder2182]

yes there is an s at the end of usain bolts' name

[@bludj992]

@@placeholder2182 You get points for using an apostrophe correctly. However, there is no *_S_* at the end of his name. Look it up.

[@placeholder2182]

i was joking. it was just a joke.

[@ZX_STH]

Official spine flap tier list S : Brawl A : Ultimate f4 F : for Wii U E : for 3DS

[@SWatch2021]

What nintendo nerfed from sonic in sm4sh -> ultimate: 1: his face expressions 2: his taunts 3: his design 4: his final smash (mostly) 5: the voices (Ill edit the rest later.)

[@tommyhamlin4611]

You mean nerfed from Brawl to Smash 4 and Ultimate because a lot of this wasn't changed from smash 4 to ultimate

[@slwoo7432]

I disagree with 1,3and definitely 5

[@PedroTG50]

​@@slwoo7432 The first is literally a fact 5:26.

[@Sm0othi3]

Sonic's personality when he gets a new voice actor: *IGHT IMMA HEAD OUT*

[@loriayegallen555]

Sonic,s personality when he gets a new voice actor: Oh crap, what am I doing, I shouldn,t leave, Jason Griffith was overrated anyways.

[@marzanamalek-khedarun5426]

Is it me or does sonic's mouth in ultimate look like it was drawn with a marker

[@RedRabbit08]

Looks that way...and he haven't move his mouth while talking from the victory screen.

[@gamerdude4316]

his mouth is a texture but at least in the Smash 4 victory animations it's actually modelled on but not in Ultimate

[@abesfunworld9741]

@@RedRabbit08 it does move but it hard to see. pause quickly to see

[@RedRabbit08]

@@abesfunworld9741 Ah,I see what you mean. ( but its way too quickly )

[@abesfunworld9741]

@@RedRabbit08 ikr thanks for understanding i will subscribe

[@benjamin7670]

That's it, I'm officially modding "You're too slow!" into Ultimate after these updates. If you aren't crazy, you'll join me.

[@jamiegioca9448]

Not enough (at all)

[@modern2833]

I'll join you.

[@chadbruis826]

Please pase the link when done

[@abesfunworldreturns3049]

When i know how to mod im in (I joined your party!)

[@nernerman]

Sorry man. I'm in the Ryan Drummond "Catch me if you can!" Boat.

[@alexissandoval4394]

8:15 Im fine, i can swim like the others 8:36 I CAN'T EVEN SWIM! HELP ME!!!

[@mati28287]

Sonic cant swim in his games

[@orangeslash1667]

@user-sp2jg9rx8r What Life Jacket????????????

[@TheLuxSh0w]

7:22, 7:29, 7:37 *JigglyPuff used sing* Sonic: *falls fast asleep* Me: that's gotta be the world's lullaby for everybody

[@StyLER_YTBE]

Ngl, I love Sonic’s clapping animation during the no contest screen and victory screens, he has a serious and mad look on his face, opposed to a smile.

[@trainerblaze5839]

Man I miss Jason Griffith R.I.P. "You're too slow!"

[@kovidarthehedgehog4066]

Well,I see Jason was good as Sonic but he is more better as Shadow in my opinion. Also,Kirk Thorton is my second favorite voice actor of Shadow.

[@mackenziewachter2508]

I sure hope Jason will reprise as Tom Majors in Chaotic because the show is coming back.

[@spiralanimations7736]

What makes me love the your too slow even more in brawl is that when sonic looks at you his left eye drops a little and it is even more funny that way

[@sonicmania6753]

I felt like Brawl put more into his character.....they’re should done something different with Ultimate.

[@randytyson]

Brawl sonic is everything the character was In The 2000's ( cocky, eccentric, talked a lot, eager) Ultimate & smash 4 sonic is a more general characterization.

[@k-leb4671]

0:02 Already setting expectations low for Sonic's changes throughout the games in the first 2 seconds I see. Efficient.

[@jasper9210]

0:43 Master Of hyrule: Neutral attack Me: Neutral Tilt

[@TripleJump]

He looks pretty much identical between Smash 4 and the Switch one.

[@therealsonicrb]

ikr his shoes are the only defrints lol oh and the grafix but hardly

[@candykaind]

i'm not 100% sure but i think the smash 4 models where recycled for ultimate

[@devonted1018]

Figures

[@dniwetamp]

I'm convinced that smash 4 is a beta of ultimate

[@ArceusBowser212]

The balancing animation got worse though.

[@dinohorse7182]

No one: Absolutely no one: Sonic: *SONIC'S P E E*

[@edwardramos4591]

Brawl!Sonic- the '90s attitude Smash 4!Sonic- Mr. Smiles Ultimate!Sonic- not mr. smiles but still slightly cartoon in expression (but I blame that on modern SEGA's vision of the character)

[@rosssgull8587]

3:18 - it's homing attack

[@catcraze8673]

For Sonic's swimming animation it should have been his life jacket from Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games.

[@RBatman5000]

Brawl sonic was the best one

[@bestbechara8682]

Indeed, he’s the most expressive and detailed. I don’t know why but it reminds me of sonic world and 06

[@KingCobra2287-r1j]

For expressiveness, Final Smash, and voice, that was Sonic’s best. But his moveset was terrible in Brawl. They made his moveset better in the newer games, but at the cost of losing his expressiveness, nerfing his Final Smash severely, and giving him a new voice most of us don’t like

[@RBatman5000]

@@KingCobra2287-r1j, of course in general, he's much better as a character, but his designs better in brawl

[@KingCobra2287-r1j]

RedAwesomeBatman 5000 his design was the best in Brawl. Shitty moveset. His design got worse in the new games, better moveset. That’s all I’ll say

[@RBatman5000]

@@KingCobra2287-r1j, agreed

[@Neon-X47]

7:03 when you get a brainfreeze

[@DENKI091]

7:52 shaggy and scooby after seeing any monster

[@sonysoldier9587]

"Come on, step it up!" "You're too slow!" "Now I'll show you! *AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!*"

[@acgaming1932]

Brawl: You're too slow 4/Ultimate: Sonic Speed Brawl: Come on, step it up! 4/Ultimate: Come on! Brawl is SOOO much better!

[@UlisesC005]

5:58 come on step it up! 6:00 come on 6:02 come on

[@kennethdavy4051]

Damn I miss Jason Griffith 😂

[@tacomasters4745]

Super smash bros brawl sonic: Very expressive Now: he is only smiling

[@MarioAndSonix]

Smash bros brawl is how I grew up playing Sonic games, ever since then I usually played as Sonic in all Smash Bros games.