Evolution of the Framing Square

[@jessicamueller3988]

George brings to light some valid points while looking at this interesting change in layout practices during this time period. I also think that is experience with barn restoration gives credence to his opinions about this change. Great video. Great person. Wonderful message.

[@jeremybates5207]

Thanks so much George! Incredibly interesting. You are very clear and concise with your teaching. I am enjoying your videos and looking forward to a small timber frame project in the near future.

[@justindavidprovoncha2025]

Great video, wonderful people!

[@AlanogAbe]

Woah! 3 time trial fit for scribed joint? That’s madness! I work as a timber framer in the uk, lofting off the floor and it fits first time every time. Where did you get your info from?!

[@ramdodgetruck1177]

Hey George, What about the Japanese, Did the use some sort of standardized square?

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

​I very much appreciate your passion and love for the craft of timber framing, but must share that it is pure hubris (in my view) to believe, as reflected in this video, you could ever believe that anyone person or group deserves the credit your suggesting in this "long-winded" video...You have neither ​discovered anything new, nor even ​ shared a complete context​ual understanding​ to ​the topic. Even Jack's work is built upon many others work like Edward Shaw's work of 1852 on Civil Architecture...thus this topic has been and will continue to be studied and covered well beyond the range and scope reflected by your video... The many unknown Timberwrights out in the world ​(​like myself and older!) from many cultures, that know this craft from a less narrow, and Eurocentric perspectives I would suggest have been studying, considering and applying this knowledge of layout much longer (and in more depth) than what you "think" you have shared in this video. You reflect​ed perspectives in this video, of "Scribe Rule" and "Square Rule", though insightful and interesting are fare from entirely "factual" yet rather a regional (incomplete?) perspective. Having met Eric Sloan in person, and worked with (learned from) the likes of Ed Levin, Rudy Christian, and many more...including my own apprenticeship with Old Order Amish starting at age 13 in the 70;'s...there are those with a broader and deeper understanding to layout (and timber framing) than reflected in this video...including the layout modalities. Your view (not facts) are a regional historic perspective, with elemental validity, but not the complete story that will probably never be completely known​...thus never "fact" in full context​. I can share​ further, that ​after helping restore part of President Lincoln's family cabin in Illinois in 1974-75, I personally wrote an historic interpretive report covering many similar observations of these layout methods...So certainly you have not been the first that should claim credit for these observations​...nor should I. The understood history of the framing square as it applied to timber framing from the perspectives of Scribe Rule and Edge (aka Square-Mill Rule) systems of layout have been covered by many others to a greater depth than this video ​could ever come close to reflecting. My ​simple ​parochial school report, mentioned above, covered all your points on layout, plus the cross over into "Line Rule" from the Asian cultural timber framing applications, along with its basic history...so even with that most basic published work this information was well defined by someone else before you or your group alone could ever claim sole credit for perspectives (not facts) regarding layout in timber framing...​​

[@northfordtframers]

Thank You for the very Intelligent response my friend .................!!

[@JayCWhiteCloud]

@@northfordtframers Hi George...Thank you for the video content and the many aspects (well covered!) that it did present with. I also sincerely appreciate you taking my feedback and critique most eloquently than others would have. Many would be overtly challenged by some of what I wrote as "too harsh" yet you did not, which clearly reflects and open and learning mind. Many thanks for that, and what you do most assuredly bring to the craft as you practice it...Blessings, j

[@AWSmith1955]

12:50 in i think the dog is wearing the camera around its neck

[@marylynncassone8707]

Carpenter Framing Square, Eagle Square Plant, Shaftsbury, Vermont www.shaftsburyhistoricalsociety.org/2015-events/eagle-square

[@paperclipchevy]

I also think you should edit this video shorter, very good and interesting info, but tonight I might to count framing squares to fall asleep.

[@MrRackinroll]

Thank you FA18mhr I was thinking the same thing. With all the verbiage you never explain what scrib rule was verses square rule. I know because I learned it from a book about the framing square and from an interesting guy Eric Slone. I am sorry to say I would be jumping out of my skin if I were in one of your classes. Oh, by the way, I was from Mystic some very old building in that area and what I saw how the carpenters marked their joints and they used Roman numerals. I have been a builder for over fifty years +and you drive me nuts. I also have been a teacher of the art of building and come from a long line of Maine NJ Conn. builders. So it "not opinion but Fact " your words Have a great day though I am sure I didn't contribute to it.

[@MrRackinroll]

george Why do you think I watch this video and that was maybe I could learn something more than I knew in the first place. I didn't Oh by the way the book about the framing square is over 150 pages long an incredible amount of information. It would be wonderful if someone would in some small fashion impart some of that information and knowledge to our young people. It's sad but today's' carpenters haven't a clue with respect to pennyweight, bdft, 3,4,5, all of which makes this business fun and equally as rewarding. I hate buying a board by the foot, and that is why I have a sawmill and a planner, I make most of my own lumber. from birth to completion its a process which is a lost art . Today we can't affort to lose anymore of our History I am done RC

[@rickw.6401]

Ronald Chick , out of interest, what is the name the framing square book you remarked on, and who,s it by? and you,re right, milling yourself is the answer. my guess the evolution of scribe rule to square rule starts and finishes with mechanisation of sawing lumber, and the ability to standardise it. and ronald, you,re right, the old ways are the things worth knowing.

[@rickw.6401]

Ronald Chick , hi what is the book about framing squares you mentioned, what,s the title, and who,s it by? and you,re right, milling you,re own timber is the answer. my guess about the evolution of scribe rule into square rule, starts and finishes with the mechanisation of sawing lumber, and the standardisation it brought. and ronald, you,re right again, the old ways are the ways worth knowing.

[@fa18mhr]

Sorry George, but you took almost 12 minutes to make yourfirst point. Verbose doesn't cover how repetitive and how long it took to say so little. This whole thing could have taken 5 minutes max and not lost any information.

[@andrewgarratt5191]

I’ll trade you a BUNCH more antique and untrue,inaccurate and practically unreadable squares for that Pattern makers vice. 😁

[@MegaDavyk]

You talk too much without saying anything.