Evolution on Trial | Me vs VOR Pt. 1

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[@rmelzhim6033]

Gotta love how insects absolutely debunks all the creationist nonsense, and they just have to ignore it and say all the insects don't matter.

[@michaelchoruss7544]

For real

[@zacharyberridge7239]

I'm just watching this now, but spot on. "my beliefs can't be defeated as long as you ignore all the things that defeat it."

[@BLew657]

"Oh your god" 😂😂 That killed me 🤣 I've been atheist 43 years and never heard that. That's brilliant I'm gonna have fun using it 😀

[@ThorsDecree]

You've been missing out lol. It gets interesting looks from theists.

[@Nekotaku_TV]

I do oh my Buddha, OMB.

[@ianbridge3270]

I believe it's from Bender on Futurama

[@MrPalp]

"We have not found millions of species so speciation is not a problem....If we do not count all those I do not like!" Great argument there :P

[@doranku]

Please Peterson, stop bringing evidence I cannot refute!

[@49perfectss]

Every time lol

[@richardb7495]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@lubrew5862]

His little tissy over primates was very telling and hilarious.

[@planetpeterson2824]

Kindle version of the book is also available on Amazon

[@guitarizard]

Google Play Books would be cool.

[@jweb9265]

Just imagine the time and effort and mental gymnastics this guy goes through to arrive at conclusions that still fit the Bibles teachings.

[@EricusXIV]

His ignorance is astonoshing. He's just throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks. Nothing sticks it turned out.

[@49perfectss]

Man this guy REALLY wants humans to be special 😂

[@Diviance]

I just can't take anyone serious if they don't acknowledge evolution is a directly observed fact.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Or if they can fix their mouths to say they believe in a literal , adam and eve. Even Francis collins, Evangelical christian, will say that is absolutely impossible, Simply on the basis of genetics.

[@lifesquandered]

​@uncleanunicorn4571 My psychaitrist told me we are all born with the urge to kill because we are direct descendants of Cain. I've been seeing the same guy for 7 years, so these discussions are common. I asked him once of he ever wanted to kill someone, he said he killed people who'd wronged him in his dreams, with magic. I said, "like this" and acted like I was shooting a death ray out of my hand, and he said, "Yes! Just like that." He knows that I can't remember ever wanting to kill anyone and that I'm atheist, of course. He says he's confused by me because he sees me as godless 😂. Anyway, I brought up mitochondrial DNA, and he got so frazzled that he refused to continue the conversation. I pointed out that it was science, and that he is a DOCTOR 🧐 😆.

[@Diviance]

@@lifesquandered There are a lot of messed up, wildly unscientific psychiatrists and psychologists out there. I mean, just look at Jordan Peterson.

[@catpoke9557]

​@@lifesquanderedWhy, um, why is that your psychiatrist? Do you not have any other options or are you just having too much fun to get a new one?

[@aborhan7401]

​@@catpoke9557seems like the latter lmao

[@SchiwiM]

he was lying when he said he loves science, because if he did, he wouldn't believe in pseudoscience like creation or impossible events like Noah's flood

[@doranku]

30:15 "Not eating our young" Well, do I have a modest proposal for you!

[@peterwyetzner5276]

Yes, but only only if they're Irish. Mmmmm, Irish....

[@bgiv2010]

Guest: humans and animals are morally different Host: not fundamentally Guest: but animals commit cannibalism Host: so do humans Guest: but it's way less common for us Host: exactly! It's a matter of degrees. It's not a fundamental difference.

[@Scrapla1]

The lack of intelligence in people who believe in intelligent design. VOR trying to debate subjects he only had internet information on. It's like dealing with flat earthers.

[@celiand2618]

As far as I could check, Jeffrey had no kids. In term of survival of the fittest, that's a straight out.

[@eljay5746]

HE is now in heaven as he repented & was baptised in prison.

[@celiand2618]

@@eljay5746 IF and only if someone with less historical back up than Merlin actually existed, if the tales about him are remotely close to reality, if there is a god that is the abrahamic god behind that hypothetical personn and IF all the doctrines christianity removed during the four first centuries were not relevant to what those hypothetical god and messiah would be all about. So far the only sure things are : Jeffrey died, his mind, personnality and brain got obliterated in the process and the corpse is corrupting somewhere.

[@celiand2618]

That would require a lot of "If and only if". Such as Jesus being at least as historical as Merlin and the tale about him being less altered than the first 4 centuries of christianity already let us know.

[@MooneJay20]

It’s interesting on how VOR’s arguments against evolution boil down to “I don’t understand how it works,” and “people in Darwin’s time didn’t believe him.” Nothing about modern day genetics, biology, etc, where scientists in those fields know in immense detail how evolution happens and all of its various mechanisms. I wonder why.

[@dragonmaster1360]

"We're all literal cousins" Well, this is just gross.

[@ritchie6162]

Don’t kink-shame me! (sarcasm in case it wasn’t obv)

[@michaelchoruss7544]

@@ritchie6162🤣🤣🤣

[@catpoke9557]

He's not wrong though, that's one of the few things agreed upon both in evolution and in the Adam and Eve story

[@cajohnson130]

Its so frustrating to debate and discuss topics like evolution when the other side can't represent it honestly. They can only use thier straw man, misrepresentation that religious people propagate.

[@catpoke9557]

Using anything else would require knowing exactly how evolution really works and would probably convert them

[@nicholasbanton]

My dude has a weird idiosyncratic view of history and science in which he knits together a ridiculously flawed and shallow understanding of complex ideas that he has quote mined to justify his supernatural top-down worldview. He has falsley conflated ideology with empiricism.

[@Scrapla1]

He is a like a weird mixture of Kent Hovind and that one dude from Ancient Aliens. His entire education is "trust me bro" KZbin vids and tin foil hat articles.

[@RangerJ602]

⁠​⁠@@Scrapla1I often wonder how long he surfs the enterwebs to find things that agreed with his positions.

[@Detson404]

I don’t get the “evolution is racist” or “Darwin was racist” argument. Either something is true or it’s not. If a certain German dictator wrote that the sky was blue, it doesn’t become incorrect because he said it.

[@dansmith7009]

It’s because people are dumb, and view “survival of the fittest” as the exact same as “dog eat dog”, but “fittest” isn’t “strongest”. The weakest members of a species can be the most fit! If that weakness comes along with lower calorie requirements that makes them more fit when there is a famine, or smaller size, so they can fit in more spaces. It’s a mercantilist philosophy (economic policy that’s about increasing wealth by taking a bigger share of resources, rather than mutually beneficial trade), with manifest destiny ideology (both of which existed well before Darwin), using “survival of the fittest” as an excuse, to try to argue that genocide is inevitable and therefore they need to do it first while they have a temporary advantage.

[@queuecee]

The guy gets transcription completely wrong. At best, he's talking about meiosis where during DNA replication, there can be errors.

[@peterwyetzner5276]

The Pilgrims and the Puritans weren't fleeing Catholic oppression; they were fleeing the oppression of the Church of England, which was suppressing both Catholics- who went to Catholic countries like Belgium as well as to the colonies- and other Protestants who were considered too extreme, because they rejected idea of the priesthood entirely (which the Church did not) or supported adult baptism.

[@foolishlyludicrous]

From what your caller read, I think Huxley was leaning much closer to Goldschmidt's saltational mutations ("hopeful monsters") than to punctuated equilibria, which is still a process that takes hundreds or thousands of years. Gould's and Eldredge's point was that, compared to geologic time, such an event would be faster than an eyeblink and we shouldn't expect to find evidence in the fossil record from such events very often, if at all.

[@eukaryote-prime]

VOR: talk really fast and say a lot of different things.

[@drg8687]

This wasn't even a debate. This was sad.

[@onemellofahess]

It only took me listening to half of this to realize this guy doesn't want to learn anything about how science works. He just wants to spew his strawmen for views

[@KoRntech]

8:30 fck im a year older than him, I thought this guy was like 23 he sounds so young. Didn't he every watch Wild Kingdom in the 80's?

[@alexritchie4586]

New book cover is * chef's kiss *

[@odinson6348]

To me it's pretty simple; either biological change over time with environmental adaptation, or a cosmic being from either space or another dimension immediately blipped all species into existence, made a clay gollum, breathed on it, and that became the first human. One seems obviously more plausible.

[@catpoke9557]

The implication that these are the only two options is funny to me in itself

[@odinson6348]

@@catpoke9557 You're right. Evolution is the only option.

[@catpoke9557]

@@odinson6348 I mean, there ARE other options, countless options really. Evolution is just the only good one because it's the only one with evidence. All other options to explain the world's biodiversity aren't really worth considering.

[@danieldelanoche2015]

The flood myth is made impossible simply by the amount and diversity of plant life.

[@WinterRav3n]

Is that the same "VOR" who was pulled up side down by Mike Brigandi in one of the streams? XD

[@Scrapla1]

Yep and it was just as a cringe listening to his nonsense. The guy is a living meme.

[@TheCannoth]

Link?

[@heiyuall]

“Oh, don’t bring up primates…” Because of fear.

[@WinterRav3n]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 📚 *Introduction to the video and book promotion* - Introduction to the video and promotion of the book "Rational Answers to Stupid Questions". - Mention of Book Baby as the partner for the book's creation. 00:21 💡 *Discussion on Intelligent Design and Consciousness* - Argument for intelligent design based on consciousness's ability to interact with the physical world. - Critique of the argument that life can be created in a lab without acknowledging the role of consciousness. 01:03 🧬 *Genetics and Evolution* - Explanation of teratogens and mutagens and their role in DNA alteration. - Discussion on natural selection and adaptation within the theory of evolution. 02:11 🔄 *Mechanisms of Evolutionary Change* - Gene duplication, mutation, and changes in gene expression as mechanisms for evolutionary changes. - Incremental nature of evolutionary changes, opposing the concept of instant transformations. 03:33 🤔 *Debating Darwinian Evolution vs. Natural Selection* - Differentiation between believing in natural selection and Darwinian evolution. - Speculation on adaptive gene codes and the possibility of designed genetic adaptability. 04:45 🌍 *Life Diversity and Evolutionary Evidence* - Discussion on the young Earth creationist perspective versus evidence of life's diversity and relatedness. - Clarification on the number of species documented and the implications for speciation. 06:42 🐦 *Speciation and the Number of Species* - Examination of the actual number of documented land and sea animal species, excluding insects. - The role of insects in ecological systems and the debate over the number of species on the ark. 08:10 🤔 *Human Uniqueness and Morality* - Discussion on the distinctiveness of humans from other animals in terms of morality and creativity. - Arguments against the notion that humans are merely another form of animal. 09:46 🐒 *Animal Behavior and Morality* - Exploration of moral behaviors in animals, including fairness and communal support. - Comparison of human and animal moral systems and social norms. 12:05 🚫 *Critique of Misinterpreting Survival of the Fittest* - Clarification on the misuse of "survival of the fittest" to justify immoral actions. - Discussion on the role of social norms and morality in human evolution. 14:36 🔍 *Religion, Science, and Morality* - Examination of the relationship between religion, science, and morality throughout history. - Debate over the impact of religious and secular beliefs on moral and unethical behaviors. 17:09 🔄 *Common Ground and Misconceptions* - Acknowledgment of common ground in the discussion on science, religion, and morality. - Discussion on historical misuse of Christianity and the role of bad actors in manipulating beliefs. 19:42 🏛️ *Shift from Theocracy to Technocracy* - Transition from a theocracy to a technocracy, emphasizing control through science rather than religion. - Role of information control in power dynamics and the potential misuse of science in place of religion. 20:48 🧪 *Discussion on Evolution and Its Historical Context* - Examination of the historical context of evolution, focusing on Darwin, Huxley, and the implications of racial superiority theories. - The controversy over interpretations of Darwin's writings and the debate on the racist undertones of early evolutionary theory. 24:29 🤔 *Darwin's Predictions and Racism* - Analysis of Darwin's predictions about race and the distinction between prediction and endorsement. - Discussion on the moral and scientific perspectives of the time, highlighting Darwin's abolitionist views despite his racial biases. 27:26 📚 *Misuse of Science and Evolutionary Theory* - Exploration of the misuse of evolutionary theory to justify eugenics and racial superiority, focusing on figures like Ernst Haeckel and Madison Grant. - Acknowledgment of the distortion of scientific theories for oppressive ideologies, separate from the validity of evolution itself. 29:56 🧬 *Debating the Mechanisms of Evolution* - Discussion on the mechanisms of evolution, including random mutations and natural selection, and skepticism regarding their sufficiency to explain complex traits. - Consideration of alternative evolutionary theories and the integration of new discoveries into evolutionary biology. 34:03 🔄 *Evolution, Genetics, and Thermodynamics* - Argument for a designed adaptive gene code versus random mutations, framed within a belief in biblical creation. - Concerns about the compatibility of evolutionary theory with the second law of thermodynamics and the search for evidence supporting evolution. Made with HARPA AI

[@kaseysheridan3863]

I have been waiting for this debate 😁

[@KoRntech]

8:00 ah but those insects dont hve the breathe of life from the god on high. 😅

[@AlexPBenton]

No, natural selection, genetic bottlenecking and punctuated equilibrium aren’t opposed to Darwinian evolution. They are the details of how it operates.

[@catpoke9557]

People who think mistakes can't be beneficial have either never done art of any kind or have learned nothing from it. Whether it's cooking, painting, or even engineering, mistakes in art- while usually bad- also sometimes create the best work you've ever made. Sometimes they also don't change the work in any meaningful way.

[@averygronseth2495]

I been working on taking the r word out of my vocabulary but this guy is making it hard…

[@catpoke9557]

I know it's a joke but seriously work on that, not a good word to have in your vocab. I prefer funny things like "goober" or even just some entirely made up word on the spot. Or just good old "idiot."

[@alkaline8608]

"Humans are so different." Literally every animal is different from each other bozo. If anyone rules the world its ants.

[@planetpeterson2824]

Nematodes

[@alkaline8608]

@@planetpeterson2824or phages if you consider them life.

[@Koz6336]

​@@planetpeterson2824 I've watched SpongeBob, nematodes are OP

[@PhilSophia-ox7ep]

Every species is different. But the human animal is different is very different ways. Primates and other animals displaying traits such as empathy, fairness, etc., doesn't mean they practice morality anymore than they practice science because they can crack a nut.

[@Koz6336]

@@PhilSophia-ox7ep empathy and fairness is morality. If it's not, please explain morality without using those concepts.

[@mallorcaguy]

he is right, cause of the laws of thermodynamics you can not explain evolution. for cooking raw food into something you also need god intervention (for who doesnt get it, its german sarcasm)

[@Jo-JoandTaffy]

Right out of the gate he mentions mutagen and my mind goes straight to Rock-Steady and Bee-Bop.

[@leftoflibra]

Oh my god why do these people try to argue about stuff they clearly don’t know… and furthermore can’t even admit they are wrong or the fact that they indeed don’t know

[@lifesquandered]

This was a great video.

[@michaelbell3181]

A "Johnny Appleseed" of space 🚀🌌!

[@PlatonsArm]

The caller should read Frans de Waal. Different forms of morality has developed across many species. Even fishes! (I also recommend ’What a fish knows’ by Jonathan Balcombe’). All this caller has is arguments from incredulity. And he’s a psychopath too that breeds animals to kill them and eat them. If you understand how closely relared we are to animals, and that they have the same hormones, and that their pain receptors are the same, and that their brains light up similarly to human brains etc - then you’d go vegan. (Unless you’re a cannibal too.)

[@leo--4341]

insects are a plague?

[@Koz6336]

What animal would be considered a not a land or water animal?

[@catpoke9557]

Hmmm... Would a sub-surface animal perhaps not count as a land animal?

[@Koz6336]

@@catpoke9557 perhaps it could, but the problem is he kept asking for an animal that's neither land or air.

[@WetDoggo]

23:23 did he mean lemuridae? 😂 he says lemurade... which isn't even close

[@babotond]

genes are not energy levels. enthropy has nothing to do with mutations.

[@jonathanross2304]

5500 species of mammals, 10,000 species of birds, 30,000 species of fish, 12,000 species of reptiles, 7500 species of amphibians. Also, so what if we're different from other animals in certain ways. Literally every animal is different from other animals in certain ways

[@catpoke9557]

EXACTLY. People always talk about how things are different from members of their group and act like it makes them NOT a part of the group. But you can't name a single group of organisms in which every single member is completely identical in every way. Why? Because that's not a group! That's a population!! People do the same thing with birds, saying they look "different from dinosaurs," but of course they can't explain how because every dinosaur LOOKS DIFFERENT. Humans don't look like any other animal, true, because any other animal that is identical to us in every way is... Well... A human!!

[@dougbrown9048]

All the ants went on the ark, 2 by 2...yeah.....

[@Robeebert]

If Dahmer was so fit, why'd he get caught?

[@hail_satan]

Yeah watch out for the science men, they might tell tou something true about the world 😮

[@user-vm3dd4yd2l]

But you don’t need to worry about the religious people, all the ““love”” and discrimination the hate the deaths the wars yeah we don’t need to worry about religion😈

[@Idellphany]

Hes so close...

[@catpoke9557]

Darwin was such a weird mix of progressive and not that I actually think if he was able to talk to someone from today he'd come out completely reformed. I mean seriously his opinions were bizarre. He thought that other races were less intelligent and such, but he also at the same time recognized the intrinsic value of humans as a whole and so was against horribly unethical treatment of anyone of any race. I don't think he was against ALL unethical treatment but certain things like slavery he did dislike. He really did value humanity a lot, so I think if he could talk to someone from today he'd realize how a lot of his views don't at all match up with his reverence of the human race. Or, maybe not. Doesn't really make a difference either way. It's just something I think about a lot with racist people from ye olden days.

[@williamcozart8158]

I just don't get this guy..

[@andyh3065]

I think this guy carries his own goal posts so he can keep moving them constantly. 🤦‍♂️

[@kaweckipiotr]

It's all comes down to theists try to talk the issue though hoping people are more ignorant then them. That people won't know what are they talking about and just accept what they say ... thats why hes trying to state stupid and false things just like that. If you will not react to it he will go on with knowledge that you have no idea about a subject and he will take his false claim as "known truth" and go on ... thats why hes dancing arround when you react to his claims taken out of his ass, and that is why some people that are comming to your live can't answer questions. They heard it from someone like this guy as a "known truth" and they are proceedeng along not even trying to think what bullshit they just fed themselves with.

[@poopandfartjokes]

This guy doesn’t speak fast enough. Adderall is a helluva drug.

[@hjalmarolethorchristensen9761]

15:09 too me... too be a Christian is too be crazy...same same...and they lie too...

[@scorptrio8231]

From the caller, all the words: all the cringe.

[@DaviniaHill]

Guys says, I believe in Adam and Eve then goes on about Darwin being a racist. Bro, you just said you were a fantasist.