Ex-Scientology Child SLAVE Slams SPTV in Civil WAR with Aaron Smith-Levin

Check out my new channel ‪@andrewgoldheretics‬. Jamie Mustard and I talk about the in-fighting between ex-scientologists of SPTV as well as the trauma that never leaves you after being made to work as a child in the cult of scientology. We’ll go into Tom Cruise, Danny Masterson, Giovanni Ribisi and John Travolta for the parts they play as scientologists, and consider the effects of trauma on the psyche. #scientology #tomcruise #psychology
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[@robinedwards8796]

I'm SO GLAD that A-Aron is getting backed up. He's amazing. He helps educate about Scientology and other cults and high demand religions. He's directed loads of funding to help ex-scientologists after the leave. ☺

[@lyndaharcourt1978]

This is by far my favorite. I have struggled with operator as well. In Canada and will look into treatment based on this information. Awesome! Love your Chanel!😊

[@lyndaharcourt1978]

Glad Aaron is being g backed up too!!

[@julieschenk3885]

Me to.

[@roxieolemeda3196]

Hopefully those donations are filtering down to the ex Scientologist. Liz Gale said that when she reached out for help Aaron told her they didn't have the means. Hopefully things have improved. Didn't Aaron say that they have a half of a million dollars in funds now. Hope it's not all in vain 😢

[@reneepolin6549]

Unfortunately in the early days their funds were limited

[@PopsiclePerson]

If Mike Rinder was the person who abused you in COS for years, how hard would it be to ask your trafficker/abuser for help. He should NOT be on the board

[@reddwood4971]

I always had that thought

[@deem8123]

💯

[@trudysloan]

That’s very true! Never thought of that

[@wendysmith3783]

Yep

[@roxieolemeda3196]

I totally agree and the nepotism of the board is not a good look.

[@kinesis4868]

I’m glad someone is saying it straight that Aaron is the AF and that the foundation wouldn’t have funds or be successful if it wasn’t for him. The hostile takeover was absolutely tragic and has destroyed trust in the foundation.

[@jennifersell8269]

You are misinformed. There was never a take over. ASL has done wonderful things for the AF but he was a link in the chain of volunteers. Time to take a look at the hostile behaviors of all followers.

[@Green-Fairy]

💯, AF has very limited funding without Aaron. I’m looking forward to supporting his new foundation

[@jennifersell8269]

@@Green-FairyYT aside, private funding and donors be damned? Hi OSA - enjoy the show.

[@harley1151]

Some will not just let it go

[@angieng8633]

​@@jennifersell8269It does look like a hostile takeover for regular people in the real world. Cos that's how a hostile takeover of an organisation looks like, I have seen a few.

[@carpeimodiem]

*I've slept in that building he grew up in. It was shockingly dilapidated. I've known many "Cadets" like Jamie, born or raised in the Sea Org. And I can say, without question, they have the highest rate of illiteracy in the whole of Western society.* *Jamie is spot on about Mike Rinder. He's done great work to redeem some of the atrocities he committed. But is in no way, in any position to judge the morals in the personal lives of someone like Aaron.* Jamie is my hero. What a fkn legend! ❤

[@scarletfalanges]

👏👏👏

[@franciet99]

I’m so sorry you had to go through that. I hope your life is better. ❤

[@roseadams2582]

if only Jamie kept his promises! I hate when he offers help to others, says he answers all DMs, offers discounts for people, and it's crickets!!!!

[@carpeimodiem]

@@roseadams2582 I can only imagine how those floodgates have opened. Might be a while before you do, but I'm sure he wants to help asap

[@MK-Hogan]

Liz Gale made an amazing point in her stream yesterday when she said ex Scientologists seeking help from the aftermath foundation are people literally asking their abusers for help, because of the who’s on the board. Instead of keeping Aaron on, the board is now comprised of even more (ex) high level Scientology executives. They probably don’t even realize how problematic that is, and probably don’t even see the irony of “disconnecting” from a friend because they believe he was “out ethics”, when what Aaron did in his personal life was having no negative impact on the foundation that anyone is even aware of. I’m sure Claire is a lovely person in the wild, but her reading of the AMF’s statement sounded like an absolute heartless robot Scientologist instead of a human being who regretted having to boot a friend from the board. It was downright creepy.

[@LeeLee-tw2wo]

This

[@Titch08]

💯

[@LisaGayleDE]

Surely Claire is very sad she may have had use her old Scientology habits to get through that speech. Aaron will do amazing, the Aftermath may take a lot to recover but they still have a healthy following so may be okay.

[@jodyhoo]

For me, this “statement” that Claire read so heartlessly, sealed the deal. The AMF is reverting back to their Scientology roots. Fu*k them. At least Aaron has a heart.

[@cdd4248]

Could not agree with you more. Their video was TRAGIC and so disheartening.

[@PurpleMonkey123]

Aaron has always been the more human of them all. I respect his honesty and willingness to be vulnerable (even though it's obviously hard). Yeah he's not as politically correct as a board probably wants him to be. Too bad. He's still the best.

[@reneepolin6549]

I hate political correctness it has Destroyed Comedy ,you can't laugh at anything anymore😢

[@reddwood4971]

I agree Aaron has always been transparent and honest for better or worse but that just makes me respect and trust him all the more. I will continue to support and back him and his new charity but sadly can’t look at the other three the same anymore. Was heartbreaking to hear what they did.

[@christheghostwriter]

​@reneepolin6549 what a lame comment. You're not a victim. Grow up.

[@reneepolin6549]

@@christheghostwriter . That's funny you just described your own comment

[@TheBreechie]

Seems like Aaron has much less to hide, he doesn’t have to be so cautious with his words…. he’s wonderful

[@TheseHomeMoviesOfMine]

Andrew, could you tell this fellow that he is amazing. Unbelievable turnover. From poor human contact, to the learned, eloquent person he has become. He is an inspiration.

[@AK.kje11]

I totally agree. I’m mesmerized by this video and am now listening for the 3rd time. I’m wondering is therapy could help me but it actually sounds a bit scary.

[@BuceriasRodHardy]

As an ex-scientologist that reached Clear and later declared an SP myself I can say that Mike, Marc, and Claire have brought Scientologist practices along with them to the Aftermath Organization. I can no longer support any of those three financially or in any other way or the Aftermath Foundation at this time. Aaron is down to earth and honest and nothing is wrong with his personal life overall compared to all the good he has done. Mike, Marc, and Claire are the own OSA and Mike needs to be off the Board of the Aftermath Foundation to make things right again. I see that the major issue is Mike and doesn't have my support or will for the foreseeable future unless he changes from hanging onto Scientology practices.

[@perrybassett9930]

Dont forget , Rinder also abused children as Miscarriages right hand man. He ruined the lives of countless people and NOW he claims to be the answer. He has fallen in love with what little Hollywood taste he has recieved since getting an emmy. Aaron raised over $20k for Rinders so called cancer treatment and that POS didnt even say thank you yo Aaron for that. Go and look back at Remini's interviews, watch how she always pauses just before a dramatic statement , she is a professionally trained ACTRESS .

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

The thing is that he could be dressed as a moose in all of his personal life and it shouldn't matter as long as he's a pro in the foundation. If anything he like you like I should live exactly as we want to with no repercussions. Because we're not in a cult (anymore). I'm happy you're out. I hope life is better for you however you want to live.

[@TheOriginalLexa]

I watched Aaron’s video yesterday where he fully explained everything. Claire was just as culpable as Mike. It’s disgusting.

[@julieduree9210]

Can’t take the Scientology practices out of these people, what they did to Aaron was what they were doing while in Scientology.

[@lindatannock]

​@@julieduree9210exactly! They all need to seek professional help as far as I'm concerned. How are they going to help people leaving the cult if they still behave like they're in it?!!

[@dianacryer]

I am so glad Jamie has chosen to speak out. It’s very hard to listen to, but it needs to be known. He has an amazing story and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of. COS kills.

[@Green-Fairy]

Thanks Jamie for saying it straight. Aaron has brought the subs in to hear the stories of survivors and in turn we feel so much compassion we want to donate to help hence the success of the Aftermath Foundation. No one could care less what Aaron does in his private life. Mike Marc and Claire just don’t seem to get it! I hope they can reflect and try to make it right but attempting to blackmail him with that Aftermath Statement and forcing him to reveal details of his private life, it’s going to hard to come back from that piece of this. Thanks you Jamie and Andrew for all you do.

[@scottydoggymama]

I am glad to see Aaron is just trying to live a normal life like the rest of us flawed human

[@reneepolin6549]

Touche' I used to be a party animal myself

[@christinewilson7785]

Thanks for having Jamie Mustard on your program, he speaks common sense. Always felt the Mike, Claire and Marc still have Scientology Mind set.

[@Willow-as-Phoenix]

You guys are such snakes. I said it about a year ago. Aaron followers act like they are in a cult. And now you guys are proving me right. Aaron has you so fooled. He is good though

[@alexcastillo1384]

You can leave scientology But scientology never leaves you!!

[@LaPinturaBella]

Jamie, I am so very heartbroken for the experience of your childhood. Absolutely criminal. I will say though, the man you grew into seems to be one of true integrity, intelligent, accomplished and definition. I wish you complete healing and a wonderful life.

[@MartyMcK]

My old man fought in Burma during WW2. He was 52 when I was born. Hi from Scotland. 👋🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Ania-cd2sh]

HONESTLY he is saying it like it is and what 99.5% of what people are thinking even some KZbinrs that won’t say it because they are afraid of blowback and losing a connection to someone. So thank you for that Jamie! ❤

[@Eileen-xk6wt]

Jamie is very kind to Marty re: redemption. I've always been puzzled that Marty, Claire, Amy, etc don't seem to have mentioned that they are sorry for what they may have participated in. The higher-ranked people talk about leaving because they personally were being treated horribly, and I can only recall one instance of someone saying that they were upset that another person was also treated poorly. I wonder how much of this is generational. In this very specific SPTV world, the oldest seem the closest to still being believers and it was only Miscavage that soured them on the org. And the youngest are more able to see the flaws in the system throughout, and have empathy for others in the system.

[@WorldOfTess2024]

Jamie, you are amazing! Especially thanks for the positivity toward Aaron. Also, your Tuskeegee Airman grandfather has my eternal gratitude and love. What an AMAZING group of gentleman. I met one many many years ago, heard him speak. I wish so much I could remember his name. He was one of the finest speakers I've ever heard. Anyway, thank you!

[@nickinoonah]

So well said! re AAron and thank you for speaking out on your abuses, I'm sure this will help so many people!

[@aubreejunesmom]

NO ONE cares what Aaron does in his personal life (as long as it's legal 😂) Mike should be the LAST to judge people for their actions!

[@markpb4767]

Thanks for clarification, as long as legal

[@KYCyn1066]

I would be very careful about accusing people of things if I were Mike Rinder. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

[@naelyneurkopfen9741]

Speak for yourself. His behavior is as repugnant as the rest of them. They're all just awful.

[@lindaolsen7089]

Scientology is legal. 🤷‍♀

[@ChelaMelaMa]

Thank you Jamie and Andrew.Tellin it like it was. I was a member of the Sea Org on Beacon Street in a compound of buildings. The Cadet Org was across the street from offices. Twenty babies and young children were packed in with one "nanny. Once there was a wave of measles, and when we found out the health authorities were alerted and coming to check, we were ordered to hide the kids to avoid a "shore flap". Giving birth in the Sea Org, I routed out because I would not put my daughter in the Cadet Org.I was one of the executives, really in the inside, a missionaire, an auditor and all, I'm sad I was deep in the cult in the 70's, but I got out!! It took YEARS to soften my heart after leaving. --+

[@texacostar9543]

Fascinating interview with Andrew's great skills which allow the interviewee to actually open up and tell their story.

[@sherylmcdonald8200]

Thank you Andrew, I very rarely comment on KZbin, but this was a great interview with Jamie. I didn't know of this treatment, so I will now look into it, thank you. And I appreciate your understanding and appreciation for Aaron.

[@mindsigh4]

Jamie said that this procedure, Dual Sympathetic Nerve Reset [DSNR] also called Stellate Ganglion Block [SGB] has been known about & used for years, so why is it that so many of us have not heard about this until now? if it can really help with PTSD, PTSI (post traumatic stress injury) & there are no bad side effects, wtf? why isn't the word getting out? the V.A. (Veterans Administration) should be all over this, why isn't EVERY single military veteran offered this treatment free of charge? & not years down the road but NOW? drug rehab centers should be referring clients for DSNR, likewise survivors of child abuse/domestic violence, police/former police, anyone incarcerated, involved with the criminal justice system, probation, parole, former gang members, anyone growing up in violent neighborhoods, schools, the entire homeless population. right now, millions of people are acting out of trauma, furthering the violence, suicides, alcoholism, self medicating &/or being prescribed toxic addictive pharmaceuticals with known bad side effects....hmm...

[@anxiety4daysmusingmedic891]

I'm a former paramedic, I'm trying to figure out life after losing my ability to work. I'll be reading this book. I broke a tooth the other day and I realized how tense I was. I feel so heard and validated.

[@lfctech5093]

I commented on Aaron's video that what Mike, Mark and Claire did was essentially a hostile takeover. They're still scientologists and lack the capacity to see that. Aaron is far more open-minded and adaptable, so despite the pain he has suffered and is suffering, he's far more capable of rising above the more base inclinations of the hostile tripartite. I wish all the best life has to offer to Jamie and all those recovering from abuse. ❤

[@patcarlson3449]

I'm glad you recognize Aaron for his work.

[@bethscott4330]

Great guest. I love his perspective on Aaron and I totally agree about people not caring about what an adult does in their personal life with other adults…does not matter to the cause they represent. The (actual) punishment does not fit the (perceived) crime. My heart breaks for his post traumatic disorder. It’s logical that he suffered and suffers and completely unfair.

[@kmimi511]

My concern is - Rinder was responsible for some of the trauma - by being a high up in the orgs. If I were coming out - I’d be terrified to ask him for help.

[@Willow-as-Phoenix]

Mike Rinder was a victim, not an abuser. Mayber he was nasty to journalist, but thats it. Now people in Aarons position, thise were the ones abusing people physical, verbally, and financially. You are probably in Aarons cult so dint want to see the truth but it was the mid management that had to keep stats up and therefore was abusive, not people in Mikes position.

[@luminyam6145]

Thank you Jamie for speaking about Aaron, I really appreciate it.

[@markpb4767]

It's amazing to me how this guy is still alive. I've dealt with ptsd, chronic depression suicidal ideation. I'm a native Californian born in LA. Horrified how this was, is allowed to go on. California more than most states provides good resources for people. I'm 63 I know this from experience

[@christylynnwilson6746]

After listening to Erin’s interview with Jamie , I read his book, the invisible machine. It is incredible, and the dual sympathetic reset offers real hope to so many people who are living in the aftermath of trauma. Thank you, Andrew, for doing this interview. I know it will reach even more people who can be helped.

[@RevLetaLee]

I hope Jamie knows how important his speaking out is. The world needs to hear the story this plainly, just raw and honest. I have listened to others stories and the really awful details are not always spoken clearly. My heart hurts for him and all those who experience/d this. It is horrendous and the general public just acts like there is nothing to be done. It's not in the past, it is still being perpetrated! The trauma all have suffered leaves behind behavior that are a TRAUMA RESPONSE. He talked about Aaron the way I experience him. I appreciate his clear point of view and wish the foundation would think about it in this way. "Moralizing card is revoked for life" Exactly! (Where is their compassion for a fellow trauma victim and yes, attacking Aaron for expressing it in a way that they disapprove of is really sad.) I think this might be THE most important interview you've done Andrew!

[@NenoJanjane-mn3ux]

Well said.

[@roxieolemeda3196]

Way too young to have been put through this trauma.

[@roxieolemeda3196]

Me too and it's really sad to hear people in the chat with negative opinions call Jamie a grifter and a fraud. I suffered from years of PTSD and I agree it causes physical trauma. I suffered for years until I finally got treatment when I was 54 years old. I just turned 65 and I can see where my life was impacted negatively. A big portion of my life was wasted. I self medicated with disastrous results. I welcome anyone who offers alternative treatments. It's a body and soul affliction. The VA where I was treated offered excellent therapy that address the spiritual and physical health treatments and healed my soul. If you have a differentary opinion keep it to yourself and refrain from name calling. Too many people out there think it's all about them unfortunately.

[@EarthKeeperSelinaMu]

@@roxieolemeda3196Blessings to you! So many having suffered trauma and somehow found our way to much needed support and real help get it. This interview IS IMPORTANT for ALL to hear. I always knew the trauma and abuse I suffered as a child literally changed me biologically but no one could hear me on that. 🙏🏽

[@nancymckinney1006]

This was a fabulous interview! Was not aware of Jamie, and am intrigued.

[@alisade127]

None of the adults noticed the kids were so neglected. Not cared for physically and mentally. All the money Scientology has. And everyone but the top 3 are neglected and abused. But the biggest sin is what happened to the children. The parents were doing what they wanted, the kids didn’t ask for that. They had no choice.

[@truthbetold6942]

Oh, the parents and the adults noticed. They made the choice to turn a blind eye because it benefited them.

[@OG-CatLady]

I truly hope the board watches this together with an open mind! 🙏🏼

[@rodo3287]

Yeah like THAT will happen.

[@AK.kje11]

I hope so too. I think it would be helpful.

[@pjt3887]

That board is already tainted. They have married couples on a board together. It's horrible optics and it will lead to more issues. Mark has a very dark past going to Thailand for adult activities. Then bloging about it! Just crazy that these people feel the need to tell Aaron anything about his personal life.

[@OG-CatLady]

@@pjt3887 I believe that was Mark Fisher (not on the board) not Marc Headley. That's some creepy stuff though. They all have a dark past, they were execs in a cult ffs! Where do they get off putting themselves on a pedestal. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@joannemcd1257]

FANTASTIC INTERVIEW, ANDREW! Enjoyed it so much and learned even more! I know i have some traumas, but thats another story for another time! ❤ to you and Jamie Mustard!

[@jobinsmith4116]

You are correct Aaron deserves compassion as well as Mike who’s had serious health issues and Marc and Claire, I like how you’re coming out, speaking out in support and I thank you for doing that after all the trauma you’ve grown up with , thank you Jamie! I will not unsubscribe from anyone,

[@OG-CatLady]

Thank you for this! Thanks for taking everyone off their pedestals and keeping it real. I've got Jamie's book and just digging in to it.

[@1gypsy731]

Thank you for sharing, Jamie Mustard. I am so sorry for what you went through. You are loved and I care.

[@1gypsy731]

They were raised to tell on eachother, attack each other and have no emotions. They are all still healing their minds. This is not a quick change

[@ashleygutfreund705]

FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT HOW TRAUMA IS THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE FOUR OF THEM!!!! Please do some PR for them because they ALL need to trust and love each other again! What a tour de force they were and people need them to get out of not just the cult they were in, but also to expand into other cults (and to continue to branch out to helping psychology and therapists to help people stuck in cults move on!)!!! Much love to the both of you - love what you do! Please help them

[@Abigail-li3mk]

Great interview Andrew, I watched Jamie on Aaron’s channel and for the second time, he blew my mind! Mad respect for him 🤛🏻

[@tsquaredtim]

Andrew, why do you constantly put Tom Cruise in your Scientology video thumbnails? Very clickbait and very unnecessary. I'll watch your videos because I like your videos, not because of Tom Cruise. I'd be willing to bet that half the people who watch this video will agree with me. Please stop it. I am also grateful for this video. Jamie's story was the most eye-opening video on Scientology I've seen in a while. And his talk on PTSI was groundbreaking.

[@reneepolin6549]

I actually stopped watching for that reason I'm here for Jamie

[@crystalsmith5330]

It is clickbait to draw in new people

[@liseklerekoper2441]

This!!!☝️

[@kodimerlyn]

I canNOT comprehend why child protective services has not investigated the COS!? I CAN'T wrap my head around this. This man's story is devastatingly sad. 😢 How has this gone unpunished!?!

[@oldstuffbethtx8052]

Children in COS don’t attend public school, so there are no records readily available. Plus, Social Workers investigate specific issues of specific children. COS prohibits cooperation with government agencies.

[@bubbles581]

​@@oldstuffbethtx8052that's absolutely all misunderstanding. Back when this guy was a kid children with two parents in the Sea Org (the monastic order) would go to cadet org - which I'm assuming is what he is describing. They are intentionally conflating Sea Org and Scientology here. Regular ol' members of the church, called "public" go to normal schools and ha e normal childhoods. Cadet org was stopped many years ago after they found out that it didn't work. These days - to my understanding - if two parents are in Sea org, at least one has to leave Sea org and raise the child until they turn 18. It sounds like this person went through some very bad experiences but one should, I think, acknowledge when changes for the better have been made as well.

[@sjj39]

Jamie is brilliant. Never heard of him before. Prayers for his continued healing.

[@tamithurman4600]

Go to Aaron channel and watch that interview it’s heartbreaking and very interesting and that would be really cool if all the damaged people could get relief myself included.

[@GK-ec5df]

Brilliant interview. Appreciate the sense that no moralizing can be done with someone who has caused others damage for 25 years.

[@nerdyali4154]

I don't see why not. Rinder is not an uncompassionate person, his compassion was weaponised by Scientology as is the case with many people. He is as entitled to criticise bad behaviour as anyone else.

[@goodgollymissm6843]

​@@nerdyali4154the Bible says "don't worry about the speck in your neighbors eye, when you have a log in your own"!

[@zublacus]

Jamie is a truly amazing person. I was riveted listening to Jamie's story on Aaron's channel and here as well.

[@themenna007]

What a valuable interview. I saw his interview with A-aron and was deeply impressed. This ptsi information is priceless. Love what he said about A-aron, and his making space for the others

[@paulaphillips1674]

I’m just chiming in to point out that Aaron Smith Levin was the co-founder of the Aftermath Foundation. So he didn’t outpace the founders. He was one.

[@BeachComber7315]

I am pleased you have given Jamie a voice. I have noticed the Scientology OGs don't tell these stories on their channels. They must realise this is what is driving the success of the AF and the protagonist is Aaron and the younger 2nd gens. Cronyism is not a good look! 🤔

[@karlachilders1145]

Andrew PLEASE PLEASE HAVE JAMIE MUSTARD ON YOUR SHOW AGAIN!!! AND FOR HEAVENS SAKE FOR MORE THAN A MEASLY HOUR!! I can listen to this guy for 3 hours minimum!!! This has been one of your best interviews and that’s saying alot because you’ve had some phenomenal guests!! But you have only barely scratched the surface with this guest!

[@CJBW]

I so respect your candor and honesty. Your plight and abuse is so heartbreaking. Your story is one of the worst I’ve heard. I pray you continue healing and prosper in everything you do in life. There was also so much valuable physical & psychological evidence presented. Thank you.

[@bluevol1976]

It shows a great deal of maturity for Jamie to be able to understand the reasons why his mother was difficult. Thanks for introducing me to him. Aaron is very natural on camera and he has a really great way to communicate with people. That’s why I follow him.

[@TinaMcBride63]

Thank you Jamie and Andrew this had to be said

[@LaPinturaBella]

They couched it with innuendo... "What happened in Los Angeles...", "an incident with the police in Clearwater.."

[@TinaMcBride63]

@@LaPinturaBella what they said about Asron is true He did si much for the AF

[@LaPinturaBella]

@tinamcbride6811 Yes, Aaron had two incidents with police. Apparently, neither of which resulted in arrest or charges. And neither of which involved anything to do with the Foundation or it's work. Aaron's personal life was not for M,M&C to allude to on a public mass media forum through innuendo. It stinks of fair gaming and was not an "ethical" move to make. Both sides have fault in this. What should have been done is a joint statement drafted, released on the AF website and all parties move on. An unnecessarily intrusive brouhaha was created to oust a founding member using cult tactics. And the supporters and donors were treated with disrespect by being told that we didn't need to be told anything and then being called an insulting name. I saw all of the pertinent videos, so I am well aware of what took place and how unprofessionally it was handled. And, as someone who worked in marketing in the real world as an executive for 2 decades, I'm also well aware of what an absolute shitshow the announcement was and how damaging it now is to both the foundation and the people it aims to help.

[@TinaMcBride63]

@@LaPinturaBella Thanks what a great explanation I agree

[@LaPinturaBella]

@tinamcbride6811 You're welcome. And thank you for the compliment.

[@SandyMacQ]

Jamie, I am glad you are talking and I hope it becomes a healing tool for you. You are a survivor, strong and brave 👏🏻👏🏻

[@wendyzelinski2907]

Jamie you are so well spoken and tell your story so well and bravely! I so wish you well in your healing journey and I love your analysis of PTSI. I talked to my psychiatrist friend about it. He agrees.

[@benlomas1490]

I’m glad your giving some insight on this topic thanks mate

[@Myladyinred999]

Thank you so much, Jamie, for bringing this important piece of information to people! ❤ So many people think they just are the way they are and can't change anything about it - but neuroplasticity is such good news just as the very practical ways of changing your brain. Since I'm also one of those people who have tried psychotherapy after psychotherapy, medication, doing sports, meditation etc. without any success and without any doctors being able to explain to me why. Now I got my life back and I wish for as many people as possible to also be able to change their lives after years or even decades of trying .... Stay strong, everyone, stay true to yourselves and never stop believing in your ability to change the direction of your life if you feel like you need to 👍

[@jlondon423]

AAron is the best!!! Love all my SPTV channels but not happy with how all this was handled.

[@susansimon5105]

Andrew, this was an incredibly interesting interview! I remember Jamie on Aaron’s channel. I really appreciated Jamie’s stance that Aaron is the Michael Jordan of SPTV. I also respected Jamie’s opinion that Mike, Marc and Claire are dealing with their own trauma, although I am not as generous to Mike, Marc and Claire. They did, in my opinion, attack Aaron as only Scientologists can do! Keep up the great work!

[@mclm4711]

Jamie is amazing and totally put this issue in prospective for me!

[@pamabernathy8728]

Jamie is excellent. & please remember that Aaron CO-FOUNDED The Aftermath Foundation, with Luis Garcia.

[@lubertdass1444]

Great interview. Jamie Mustards view on this is intelligent, thoughtful and compassionate . I look forward to Jamie Mustards channel .

[@cherylhuot4436]

This is eerily similar to the James OKeefe , Project Veritas situation. And I think it will turn out the same. The board members took over an incredibly successful business, kicked out the founder/creator then went out of business in short order. Because the people that gave money to support the business lost all faith and left. Let’s watch and see……

[@joeblair3427]

One should never be ashamed of actions or circumstances that are outside of our own control. You are such a brave man to speak out about the horrific conditions you had to suffer as a child. This is what the public need to hear so that action can be taken to avoid the youth of tomorrow suffering the same fate as the generation before. Thank you Jamie for sharing your story with us. I hope you find some peace in life.

[@Haunted_Ham365]

Very fascinating discussion, thank you two 🥹

[@lindasmith177]

This was an awesome interview. Thank you for having Jamie on ❤❤

[@DR-mq1vn]

The first five years of life (birth to age 5) are the most important in regards to development. Shame on Scientologists who abandon their children and don't care for them!

[@Scorpio1976]

Wow, wow! HIS TAKE IS SPOT ON! I just loved this interview and I feel this point of you is the most crucial I have heard!Love the channel A.G., Jaime, I hope talking about your experience helps free your soul of this! You deserve it!!!!!!

[@NanaLibby]

Thanks Andrew for this. Another reasonable take on the AF situation. Aaron opened up you and other great content creators to me and I think he is the MJ of SPTV! ❤

[@131bren]

Such a brave man, who has overcome such odds, he needs to know he is appreciated and should not feel ashamed of any of this, he should be proud he has survived to be the person he is today.

[@lionsandwarriorsreturntofo7000]

Treatment here described for PTSD: Reversed by turning off sympathetic system, w a local anesthetic (think lidocaine/dentist) for 15 minutes, for only two days in row. After the two treatments, it returns the nervous system back to normal, pre-trauma state. Jamie had said treatment is called DUAL SYMPATHETIC RESET !!!!! I would check out this book, if I hadn’t already been cured of long term PTSD, successfully, with Somatic Experience in 2007. I have been cured ever since, but this method is MUCH quicker! It’s a life changer! He explains the process about 50 minutes into the video. REMARKABLE! Check it out! 😊

[@kimberlyryan8618]

I was at the cadet org next to Mac Aurther park in 1975! I was 16 at that time forced to care for 8 preschool kids 16 hours a day. They just moved all the kids from 3 condemned roach ridden victorian houses that had wall to wall mattresses on the floors for the kids to sleep in. These houses were next door to the narcanon drug rehab! No air conditioning meant all the windows were always open and the kids had to hear the drrug addicts withdrawing from drugs all through the night, screaming and yelling as if being tortured! This next building the cadet org was moved to was near the Mac Aurther Park and was a 3 story appartment used as a motel with rooms for rent. This building at least had tile flooring unlike the victorian houses which had no more varnish left! But at the 3 story building, the "class room" for the kids to learn scientology in was a crawl space under the building just tall enough for an adult to stand but had dirt on the floor and no proper walls! It was very cold in the winter since there was no heat down there! The next building was a 3 story hotel called the Melrose building just as your guest describes! My twin sister and I road our bikes 4 miles one way through LA street to school everyday! I was 17 by then and was required to cook breakfast for the 20 staff before i went to school everyday! When my sister and I got back from school at 4pm we had to clean up the ungodly mess of 200 children eating lunch unsupervised! After cleaning the dining room and washing all of the dishes we then cooked dinner for everyone and then cleaned that all up and then did homework before going to bed! Then it all started again! The roach and lice problem was unbearable! I am only touching on the "skin" of my experience and it never got better! I can't believe this man was able to remember and describe these buildings so accurately when he was just 3 years old then! I just want to cry remembering it! In that melrose building, one of my neices who was 3 years old was molested by a staff member! I too have suffered most my life from PTSD and did all i could to rid myself of the power the memories have had over me! I feel i have over come it all at the age of 65! But it still hurts and I am determined to tell my story through these comments as much as i can to keep others from joining or even encourage those in it now to get out!

[@theresaschmidt1183]

Omg Kimberly. I am so sorry.

[@A93-qg9xj]

GREAT interview! I really respect Jamie and his perspective on things!

[@J3nJ3nl0llip0p]

Never-In. I am amazed at how many new channels are popping up! At how many new people are coming out of the woodwork to speak up! 💙♥️🧡🖤💓💜☕☕☕🖖🖖🖖🎵🎵🎵🎵🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶

[@educocult]

Please consult your GP/MD before undergoing a medical procedure, especially when offered at a discount on KZbin! -- In the live-chat many were commenting about the medical treatment that was offered, at a discount. There were many requests for the Studies that back up the extraordinary assertions. A moderator intervened and asked for these concerns to not be raised. Additionally this moderator stated "Peer reviewed means nothing." 1:04:48. This same moderator stated that links to the studies would be posted in the description. I see no study there 2 hours after the stream has finished. Either sourcing a Study has proved difficult, or the moderator has neglected to post it.

[@angbairdab]

@educocult I think that's a fair point to make regarding a consultation, however I'm personally intrigued enough to read the book. I'm not in the US anyway, and more interested as a subject. I do think it's wise to be cautious tho...

[@Kv-nb1gm]

Yes and yes go to a professional also please

[@reneepolin6549]

If it makes you feel better I bought the book and read the research It's legit

[@educocult]

@@reneepolin6549So, er, you, er, know how to write a citation? Citations for studies have a title, authors, a date, name of the publication and page numbers -- they don't come as an anecdote. You know, so, er, we can read for ourselves instead or, er, you know... taking some rando's word for it

[@educocult]

@@reneepolin6549Please provide the title of a study rather than assuming one can take your word for it. (I have good reason to believe the commenter saying it's legit has a low standard of medical proof)

[@Riversdoc11deff]

Great, articulate man! ASLevin follower here! I didn't know this fellow, but I admire him already. Makes so much sense👏

[@superjuliebraun3203]

Louie CK also ruined people's lives if you consider women to be people.

[@lynnemcnab1500]

I can so relate to this guest. Not because of scientology, but for having a covert narcissist for a mother. No love or touch as a child, constant verbal abuse, etc. Thank goodness for my stepdad. I did try to connect with my mother a few times when I got older. She never took any responsibility. She died in Feb, and I haven't cried once. I have been going through all of the aftermath of this abuse in my 40s and 50s, including suicidal ideation. Thanks mom 😢

[@Jasminedabs]

What Marc, Mike & Claire did was just like scientology but with extra steps. I appreciate you bringing on such a phenomenal guest and him sharing his truth with us.

[@stixsta6007]

Jamie that was without doubt the Best explanation of how trauma/ CPTSD manifests ever. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Much respect

[@scottydoggymama]

I agree with this, shaming is just as bad a mind game as any

[@marxjenn1]

Jamie: RIGHT ON everything you said and stand for. Jamie: Never again let your shame silence the power of your story and what you stand for. Keep going. You are talking about the core of what needs to be exposed to the light of justice: abuse of children and elders and the destruction of families.

[@kristinfrostlazerbeams]

He backed up all of them in a very diplomatic way. That's a dude who cares about the mental health and success of these folks which is what everyone involved really needs.

[@purpledragonfly313]

Great interview, Andrew! Jamie Mustard is fascinating in personality, knowledge and as a human being with a complicated history. Great job, both of you!

[@JenJean1234]

He explained PTSD so effectively. Thank you for this guest!

[@LisaGayleDE]

Thanks Jamie and Andrew! Jamie the words you have spoken align with me and helps me feel a bit more grounded and I appreciate your insight. Andrew the gracious host as always.

[@MariadeJesusGutierrez]

Gary “Jackson” Motörhead, former head of security at the Gold Base, grew up in the Scientology nurseries of the Los Ángeles PAC base and I know that because he told his story to Claire Headley on her series of Scientology stories.

[@nualabb]

Great guy! Love him. Good luck Jamie. You are an inspiration. ❤

[@tilanawest1613]

Thank you for what you and Aaron Smith do. Hopefully it will stop anyone from joining this CULT. Plus, these bods are tax exempt 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ If we owe the IRS ONE PENNY, they are on our backs

[@Jeanette7981]

Aaron started and named the Aftermath Foundation. They would not have any KZbin success without him. Marc H. Is deeply jealous and swear he manipulated this.

[@jessgunn6639]

i think its more likely mitch, this all started when he left cos and started working with the af

[@Green-Fairy]

I agree with you 💯 but I get the sense it’s Mike pulling the strings.

[@Jeanette7981]

@@Green-Fairy Maybe, but is it possible Mike is trying to survive his health crisis and Mike is the spokesperson?

[@Green-Fairy]

@@Jeanette7981 good point and Marc does keep saying “we’ve been doing this since 2005 five out of our own pocket “. I think there is jealousy there that Aaron swoops in with YT and all of a sudden he’s killing it. I just never saw Marc that way but I think you may be correct. What a mess 🙄

[@Jeanette7981]

@@Green-Fairy Aaron and that other guy started the Aftermath Foundation and asked them to join the board. I am biased in that I’m loyal to Aaron. More to the point I never liked Marc, I did try. He talked over people and he especially corrected Clair all the time, just got a negative vibe from him from the start. He treats others like they are stupid and he’s the only brain in the game.

[@cindyleastorch194]

OMG...the tiger attack analogy was fascinating...i was raised by a narc and am just now figuring things out (as much as i can). I was always in fight or flight mode and still am to a point. Cant wait to get the book! Thank you.

[@stephanienavarro9432]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Mike, Marc and Claire make a video about Aaron’s “crimes” Aarons personal life is none of our concern or the foundation. Mike saying people associated him with the foundation is not true. I didn’t even know he was on the board until this happened. I always associated Aaron with the foundation.

[@Willow-as-Phoenix]

The reason you associate Aaron is cuz he made his name off the back of the Aftermath Foundation. How did YOU find Aaron? And Mike was trying to protect Aaron from public ridicule that is why he spoke in code. The "crimes" are Aaron whoring around while telling everyone you are a happily married man. You can not be the head of a nonprofit, asking people to donate money to you with that kind of public image. And if anyone knows this it is a former Scientologist. Aaron was never really in, he just used them to get ahead, he even says so. If he would have said he was separated, he could have screwed anyone he wanted, but he didn't. And to come out afterwards like it wasn't a big deal and say he was trying to protect his family and thats why he didn't come forward, is a blatant lie. He didn't tell people cuz he wanted people to think of him in a certain way. Mike was trying to keep his secret than Superchat-Smith-Levin turned the tables on Mike to make him look like a bad guy.

[@SHARON.I]

GREAT INTERVIEW!!!!

[@gadams1664]

Jamie, thank you for sharing, researching and writing about this topic. I was abused by my mother for the first 11 years of my life. The aftermath on my life has been a monster always chasing, shaming, torturing and haunting. I'm 65 now and I don't know how much longer I can hang on. I just purchased your book. Andrew, thank you for hosting Jamie on your channel. May God bless you both.

[@kathrynflanagan3272]

Thank u so much Andrew for bringing Jamie on your show ! What he has to say is incredible! The explanation he has for Aaron's dilemma is mind-blowing! After watching Mike Rinder and Mark and Claire take Aaron down was bullying - I could imagine Mike Rinder back in his Scientology days bullying others! Jamie has explained it beautifully ! He has so much compassion for so many! Amazing💚

[@msdove2574]

Thank you Andrew from bringing this gentleman to your channel. I'm truly impressed by him, and he's brought me to tear. I just checked out his book from the library. What a great insight he has. In my gut, when i watched the three videos on what has happened with Aaron and the Aftermath board, I believed Aaron. Something just didn't fit with what was happening. Aaron has always been just so forthcoming. I wasn't against Claire, Marc, or Mike, but Leah wasn't against Aaron... she was still there for him. To me, that meant that Claire, Marc, and Mike were just a bit jealous. I do think they still do great work. I enjoy their videos, too. That being said, I'm more "team" Aaron. Aaron, if you are reading this, please know you have many supporters. You aren't religious and I fall short of the grace of God, but know that I am praying for you. You help to humble me.

[@Obsidiansoul74]

Them kicking out Aaron is like project veritas all over again. Bad move.

[@Green-Fairy]

💯

[@livingauthenticallyonmyownterm]

I’ve just had the most utterly incredible time hearing Jamie talk. I’m a 27 year survivor of a cult and have CPTSD, so I totally resonate with what he’s saying and will definitely be buying his book. Andrew, you rock and thanks for bringing Jamie on. ❤

[@DiaryOfAGhost_StreetsOfTempe]

Wow Jamie great interview. You are what all should aspire to be as are so many second geners. Thank Andrew for bringing him to a wider round table. This is not to say people like Relatable Reese or Aaron or anyone else aren't also great interviews. All Scientology story's are extremely important to here. Actually search them all out. This particular one just has timing backing it. To move the movement forward. Which is vital. IMNSHO.

[@Emer205]

I was never in Scientology and I saw their response to Aaron‘s video as being very Scientology like. I’m a survivor of child abuse as well so it doesn’t take much for me to be able to read the room. Accurately. I immediately unsubscribed to Rinder’s, blown for good and Amy Scobee’s channels. You do realize that you are giving them much more grace than they gave Aaron. Having grown-up with people that like to use shame as a weapon, I don’t need it in my life even in the form of following a KZbin channel.

[@tammy9497]

Jamie you are an amazing strong man. No child should have to face what you did. I wish you all the best.