Examining Babesia Odocoilei

[@jasonkeck3438]

This doctor treated me like I was his own son. Having seen most of the world's top tick borne illness doctors, they virtually all avoid ongoing patient communication. Not only is he extremely competent and intelligent, but he actually cares.

[@nft3]

Do you recommend any other doctors for Bartonella?

[@mizzmention8555]

Did you have babesia odocoilei?

[@user-je1sf6pc6q]

My condolences on the loss of Dr. Lindner’s daughter. All the treatment he gave her ended up not saving her. May she rest is peace.

[@mizzmention8555]

Oh wow not another? I'm assuming his daughter isn't jake? that's sad news SIP

[@amycarr2379]

I was just diagnosed with Babesia. It’s been five years of active symptoms and thousands of dollars in tests and doctors visits. I hope to get into remission so I can work again.

[@mikehigham9552]

@@amycarr2379 any luck with treatment?

[@Andrewnutrition]

I would like to see a conversation b/w Lindner and Jemsek. Both babesia specialists who believe babesia drives the bus.

[@nft3]

@Andrewnutrition Who are the world's top Bartonella doctors right now? Ones that actually treat patients?

[@denalewis3473]

Dr Mozayeni for treatment and Dr Breitschwerdt and Maggi for research !

[@maurozammarano6651]

Thank you for your research and treatments advancements on Babesia Odocolei. Only criticism I have is on Chronic Lyme. How can you still question it's existence. Agreed on the limit of antibody testings but we have mRNA specific tests like Tlab that detects chronic lyme all the time

[@roseturnley6876]

I'm in Madison, Wisconsin and tested positive to Babesia Duncani in November of 2022. It's not just West Coast...

[@sharlaharris8120]

I live in the West, what test detected your Babesia?

[@denalewis3473]

I would get igenex immunoblot babesia!

[@jaymaster2215]

Ohio here. My son recently tested positive for Babesia Duncani.

[@kayobrandao7381]

Huge interview!! Congratulations to project Lyme and Dr. Lyndner! Thank you for all the effort! You can try do a interview about foods and suplements that help and worsen babesia symptons. In myself I suspect that iron suplementation and ashwaghanda seems to get worse the symptoms, probably because there is more iron to steal.

[@josecarlosdasilvajunior7328]

I agree.

[@Tinyteacher1111]

Dang! I was just diagnosed with a live form of Babesia mycroti, which my doctor says is the first time she’s seen a live form in 25 years, along with antibodies from Bartonella, etc. I hope it correct because I’ve had a weird headache for 2 1/2 years since I volunteered at a community garden and developed a 6 month flare if RA, and haven’t felt well since. I knew nothing about this, except I had mold and I’ve been taking care of my grown son who had mold and now has severe Lyme coinfections. garden headache and have felt crappy for 2 1/2 years. I’m in a northern suburb of Detroit, and since taking antibiotics, I’ve been extremely sick and feel like I have an 8 ball swirling around in my head.

[@JP-xs5lo]

I hope your getting better if not look into hyperthermia with iv it should only be treated this way

[@roseturnley1970]

Babesia Duncani is in Madison, WI. I have not been to the west coast in 35 years. I pulled an engorged tick off in 2017. It seems like it is the source of many of my health issues.

[@LucyDalhousie]

Babesia is in Phoenix Arizona too but the Arizona Health Department didn’t log any of my 8 vector Born infections

[@lauriecosgrove9662]

Can you direct me to Dr. Lindner’s symptom list and also his treatment protocol he mentioned? I believe I have this chronic form of Babesiosis but can’t get better and I’m bedbound again. Fantastic zoom call. Thank you for hosting this well versed doctor. This could change my life.

[@projectlyme8087]

Hello, Dr. Linder's slide deck including his protocol is linked under the video on our website: projectlyme.org/event/examining-babesia/

[@lauriecosgrove9662]

@@projectlyme8087 thank you so much!

[@RWelsh-ro9gb]

@@projectlyme8087 Would you please put all links into the description of this video because I only found it searching through all the comments. It should be found easily in Introductory material like description, title area please

[@SharonW-pb9ov]

I have babesia and I am allergic to antibiotics. Have chronic fatigue

[@MM-d289]

Thank you both for this interview. It was very enlightening. Wish I could have seen it live and asked questions in the chat.

[@MsGorobin]

Wow. THANK YOU for sharing. Knowledge is power and this is indeed a powerful presentation.

[@calvinchamer9158]

I heard him referenced recently in Babesia groups and have not yet seen any of his other content but will be looking into it more. There was some good info but I find his stances on the strains pretty rogue and concerning. Yes Microti is agreed to be weaker but thats what I have per positives at 2 different labs and I'm definitely chronic. And I've never heard of anyone say Duncani isn't really a problem unless you don't have a spleen, everyone says its brutal. He says the Odocoilei stuff is new info and without more details about why he believes what he does about the other strains it seems pretty questionable.

[@toxicsoupnazi]

I agree. This guy suffers the flaw of many dangerous doctors... complete myopic arrogance. He thinks everything he says is an undeniable fact and anyone that opposes his views is foolishly wrong. His condescending arrogance when he states his unproven assumptions as unquestionable facts is scary. How about some support for your outlandish claims??? If his daughter is reading this please get a second opinion.

[@DariaRock1]

In 2020 I catched a babesia Form. I was singer and artist. It is torture. Pure torture. Christ only kept me alive.

[@JohnFlorio-f4x]

Can you post the medications, size (mg or ml), and duration that meds should be taken? Please.

[@MM-d289]

Very interesting that Dr. Lindner thought Wayne Anderson’s descriptions of babesia and bartonella symptoms were the best he’s seen. I saw Dr. Anderson’s lists years ago after I first had a positive Lyme test and was learning about coinfections. I was shocked by his descriptions, because I thought most of my symptoms were from bartonella. However, looking back over my whole life, I could have checked most of the boxes of his babesia list. Dr. Anderson’s lists are different and almost opposite from other lists I saw back then, so I was never sure if he was right or wrong. So hearing Dr. Lindner’s view of those descriptions has been enlightening.

[@MM-d289]

Glad to hear Dr. Lindner mention the use of Lumbrokinase at the end during the Q&A portion. I was wondering about that from the beginning when he mentioned the fibrin nests. Would love to know what brand(s) of lumbrokinase he uses and finds effective. I have heard at least one other LLMD say that they only found Canada RNA’s Boluoke to be effective. Of course it’s $100 a bottle - not affordable for long term or high dose use.

[@Joan11ify]

Thank you for this interview! Babesia is Heme-loving. When heme is broken down there is a natural byproduct of Carbon Monoxide (yes, CO, not CO2). Does anyone know if the 'air-hunger' that is often present in Babeisa has anything to do with carbon monoxide? There was a study showing that dogs with Babesiosis had elevated carbon monoxide (!!) Incidentally a Pulse Oxymeter can't discern between oxygen and carbon monoxide!!

[@ginpok6640]

Thank you for the useful information

[@ginaarendtson9478]

Was just DX with Odocoilei on FISH test. My LLMD is saying ivermectin is the first line of defense and then Tafenoquine following depending on how I tolerate ivermectin.

[@mizzmention8555]

Hi I'm pretty sure l have this but struggling to get diagnosed. Can you tell me what meds you on etc?

[@romascopa8461]

Pretty harsh treatment plan in terms of amount of medication required to get through this. You have had clinical success with this? Over how many patients? Can you share any clinical results by chance? Babesia has been known to exist by LLMDs well before 2021.

[@bethm214]

I suffered severely for 10 years until Babesia was finally discovered by Igenex testing. You need anti-malarial for treatment, not just antibiotics. Don’t let yourself become bedbound before agreeing to proper treatment.

[@KATEB33ful]

Does Boluoke can get inside fybrin or crush fybrin to make treatment more effective ?.

[@maurozammarano6651]

yes, it is lumbrokinase is a must

[@Terri330]

I feel it moving jn my skull, have bad pain in neck, im pretty much bed bound, my finger tips are turning red and burning & palms of hands. Its gone untreated fir years, i dont have $ for treatment

[@KATEB33ful]

What about the presence of borrelia in brain of Alzheimer autopsie patients ?

[@JP-xs5lo]

New research Harvard Lyme has viral mRNA in it transcribing look know one knows but it’s the Lyme the Lyme like hiv let’s this happen by surpassing the immune system allowing any infection to take hold and be chronic like hiv plus Lyme is bacterial cancer plus it eats manganese cancer treatments are showing good efficacy.

[@DariaRock1]

I am suffering tremendously. Previously I sang, I wrote poetry, I composed... lyme is torturous. I pray for all and healing.

[@teresaoftheandes6279]

As children growing up in East Central NY we never even heard of ticks. We ran around barefoot constantly. No one ever got tick bites. Why is that?

[@lightdreamcatcher]

What is your take on Ivermectin horse paste 1.87 for treating the babesiosis, bartonella ? At age 25 I was constantly covered with huge bruises. I am 64 now. Been sick since diagnosed with what the Dr called lyme. I have been taking small doses of it twice a day since June of 2022. The herxing symptoms were horrible & hard to get thru but I would do it again to be this healthy, happy & full of so much energy. I have not felt this good since early high school years. My body is finally painless!

[@amymueller9465]

I am 61 really feel bad. Your information here really sounds like my symptoms. Please contact me I am interested in using horse wormer to fix. Glad it worked for you.

[@lightdreamcatcher]

@@amymueller9465 For some reason …..This app won’t let me share the info I type in

[@joynjrny]

Wth?!? A non-issue?!? I was Dx with active Babesia Microti through Vibrant and have all the symptoms. Pots, night sweats, elevated bilirubin (red cell die off) and liver enzymes. I’ve been sick for years and likely was passed onto my children. So hard to want to finish listening this, I get the sense of dismissiveness. We have enough of that with the damn Doctors.

[@LucyDalhousie]

Yeah I didn’t have a minor problem with babs either

[@kristibradfute]

There is a strain of babesia in Missouri. Babesia MO1

[@karihauge]

I used artemesinin for a year. I had lyme as well

[@Tinyteacher1111]

I just bought sone along with oregano because of my severe reaction to antibiotics. I’m having night sweats, shaking, vivid dreams, etc. This sucks!!

[@Tinyteacher1111]

Oh! Did it go away?

[@karihauge]

@Kathryn Willette yes but I used antibiotics as well. Had lyme

[@Tinyteacher1111]

@@karihauge I did/do too, plus a live form of Babesia mycroti. The antibiotics made me so sick after a month and a half, I had to stop and waiting for bloodwork. I’m starting to take the Artemesin and Oregano as recommended by Dr. Frid. Thanks for your response! I really appreciate it!

[@DariaRock1]

@@Tinyteacher1111 thank you for sharing, I am also a lymie with multiple infections... antibiotics are not the way I feel with me anymore

[@stephiespicer]

Great video, thank you!

[@JohnFlorio-f4x]

Can you post the medications, size (mg or ml), and duration that meds should be taken? Please. 51:10

[@debraderr6359]

Good information. Thank you 🙏

[@JudyG745]

Please provide in the comments, who you are interviewing and how to contact.

[@projectlyme8087]

Hello, the doctor was Henry Lindner. You can learn more about him on our website: projectlyme.org/event/examining-babesia/

[@RWelsh-ro9gb]

@@projectlyme8087 Would you PLEASE put links into description/title areas to make it easier to find? It will be accessible to a larger number of people that way, and I'm all about accessibility :)

[@NoLimitsCommemorativ]

My Igenex test came back last week for Babesia(species unspecified)and Bsrtonella hyselia. No idea how I got it but I hope I can treat this. Recurring skin infections that have looked like staph for almost 3 years now, Northern Ohio

[@mikehigham9552]

Did you have a doctor order the igenex test or did you order your self?

[@NoLimitsCommemorativ]

​@mikehigham9552 Was referred to a lyme specialist after western blot was borderline positive, and the specialist had me order the Igenex test

[@jaymaster2215]

Hi there. So sorry to hear about this. My son just tested positive for both babesia and borellia, high suspicion of Bartonella due to skin infection, matks. N.E. Ohio here. We currently have him seeing a functional Lyme literate Doctor LLMD. Your the 2nd person Ive met in the last 2 months in our area Im trying to help my son, understand and spread awarenes. Hope you get the support you need.

[@robynehuber6767]

yes can see & hear you

[@DariaRock1]

I have some questions- I am very thankful for the Video and the description of treatment options; I would like to ask what to do if one has multiple coinfections WITH babesiosis? I sadly hit the Jackpot and relapsed/got reinfected 2020 severely. I previously manged to finish philosophy studies, sang, made Translations... I would be very grateful for any help; my practitioners in Austria are overwhelmed. I am a Ukrainian/Austrian woman. Thank you so much. At this point I can only do small things, also Helping people and refugees but I feel mentally disabled and I struggle physically. It is a nightmare. I feel the parasites really in my muscle and bone tissues

[@deborahakey9308]

Sometimes it gets so bad I have thought of ending it!!!!!

[@JP-xs5lo]

Find a way to get your ass better hyperthermia and fast can get you better quick

[@Needless2say]

Hang in there you can do this.

[@JP-xs5lo]

Stay strong 💪 never give up there is hope it’s not if it’s when.

[@robertmurray2404]

Australia, Brazil etc have Lyme -like illness but they don't have a Lyme Connecticut. The original problem was to describe the disease by a poor test for the strain found on the eastern U.S. seaboard rather than the symptoms. Physicians aren't told that the test is poor and misses 1/3 - 1/2 of patients that truly do have the disease. Strains vary across Canada and elsewhere. The test for Lyme is the problem and should be scraped. This is a clinical disease and must be diagnosed clinically but physicians are no longer taught how to diagnose clinically and lack confidence in doing so. The test was only ever meant to confirm the clinicians diagnosis. In medicine, the dead shall speak to the living but medicine has lost its way and autopsies are no longer done. There are no medical sleuths with advanced skills and microscopy training doing fine tissue research. The paradigm of modern medicine is to palliate with treatments that provide life-time annuities to the pharmaceutical industry.

[@DariaRock1]

And this is catastrophic. I once was academic and also researching medicine. Sang. Composed. Now severely battling babesia bartonella lyme Symptoms with other infections and trying to solve the riddle . My consciousness changes. My muscle and bone tissue hurt...... I hope and pray. Also I feel sadly so few doctors are informed and knowledgeable. I know so many lymies from the german groups. Complete treatment Desaster!

[@maurozammarano6651]

@@DariaRock1 did you try Disulfiram?

[@DariaRock1]

@@maurozammarano6651 yes I did for 2 months but my bartonella came out... I had massive herxes (also neurological),... now I pray and hope the Buhner protocol to work...

[@maurozammarano6651]

@@DariaRock1 strong herxes str normal don't give up on Disulfiram. You can alzo treat BART with Chlaritromycin Rifampim Pyrazinamide while on DSF. Buhner was not strong enough for me

[@mikehigham9552]

@@DariaRock1 any luck with buhner protocol?

[@MM-d289]

I always assumed I could not take drugs for babesia, as I tested positive years ago on allergy patch test for either quinoline or quinolone (unsure which) and had a reaction to Ciloxan (a Ciprofloxin eyedrop, which is a fluoro-quinolone drug). What can a person do if they cannot use the drugs? Has he seen anyone recover with herbs alone?

[@micheller9941]

Thoughts on ozone therapy for lyme? Looks like it shows some improvement in symptoms

[@douggrant3431]

And I can’t make out the fourth drug that he’s talking about the malaria drug. He mentions atovaquone azithromycin Arte-m and I can’t make out the other one he mentions for drugs. Can somebody please help me with that?

[@deborahakey9308]

After the 1 year of doxy in remission I flared up & the Dr gave me retain 300x day & it made me HERX so bad i though I was dying!!

[@deborahakey9308]

I got bit from larva bugs like maggots but smaller from a blanket.

[@minouagah8280]

Please let me know thanks

[@tedhampe3937]

We can hear you

[@craiggerlach5548]

Hot flashes and other symptoms mentioned can be low T if a man.. I thought had symptoms of Lyme after a positive years ago and recently discovered it is due to something in my pituitary gland, luteinizing hormone think it was. Can this parasite attack the pituitary gland?

[@craiggerlach5548]

But I have many of the issues he is mentioning, more energy in morning, hit a wall of fatigue, night sweats, etc.. I have been exposed to tick bites since a child, wasn't uncommon to pick 50 ticks off on 1 weekend in 60s n 70s, then in 80s we started to see the deer tick, then in 10s we had the lone star up here, had that, lasted 2 years could not eat red meat.. but odd the symptoms of the chronic tick are same as pituitary disorder... maybe hormone tests should be given as well?

[@craiggerlach5548]

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8228967/ good article from National Library of Medicine: Detection of Babesia odocoilei in humans with babesiosis symptoms

[@craiggerlach5548]

Duke mentioned bodily fluids and I had ceased interactions with others since first symptoms 20 years ago as I did not wish to spread this to anyone else.. certainly need more attention to this, doctors do not want to give the tests you mentioned, I fought 10 years just to get western blot and that was extent of it, gave me the magic pills for 10 days now it is gone... I wish it was that simple.. Chamber of Commerce, some elite not wanting tourism to stop, want people out n about at events spending money, seems to be a lot of hesitation to even get a test , let alone treated when bit by a tick...

[@suzden99]

What is the name of the Dr. that sells the artesunate?

[@jasonkeck3438]

Dr. Zhang. Arte-m is the name of the product.

[@deborahakey9308]

Is Morgellons Lyme???

[@deborahakey9308]

Yes I hear u

[@douggrant3431]

So this guy saying if you have a spleen and you get my bab microtti. U will get rid of it without antibiotics and it can’t go chronic. 🤔

[@deborahakey9308]

Just had my 3rd blood transfusion from this!!!!!

[@deborahakey9308]

@kali542 good now I’m sticking with real salt & Vit. C veg diet spring water Protocal..

[@flosscal1]

i have the microti babesia

[@joanneelliott900]

yes

[@Natalie82170]

I totally disagree that Babesis Odocoilei is the only strain to be concerned about. Babesia duncani is bad as well and impossible to get rid of.

[@BodeeneAmyot]

Doesn't duncani cross-react with B. odocoilei in testing? As in, folks diagnosed with duncani via serology having a difficult time putting it into remission might actually be dealing with odocoilei.

[@deborahakey9308]

HERX r so gruesome

[@KATEB33ful]

Does her daughter better ?

[@projectlyme8087]

Hello, yes Dr. Lindner's daughter has had gradual improvement and now lives in her own apt. She still struggles but is much better than she once was.

[@DariaRock1]

@@projectlyme8087 praise the Lord. Can I ask what treatment did also help her? Thank you so much. My case was presented by Dr Signe Buck to Dr Joe Burrascano but I cannot tolerate antibiotics anymore. I am a highly sensitive person, I was a singer, artist. I just cannot go on like this and at this difficult point even hope for stem cells etc. ...

[@erikadrewes]

It’s very arrogant to say only two American labs can find Babesia in the world. In Germany for example there is Armin and DCL that have very sensitive tests.

[@maurozammarano6651]

Did he mean babesia O?

[@micheller9941]

Vital wellness is one of our top tests in US idk why he didn’t mention it

[@LucyDalhousie]

Because it’s not validated or shown to reliable and accurate

[@joanneelliott900]

enzymes rhar break up fibrin

[@toxicsoupnazi]

There is so much unproven speculation and false information in this video that it should be taken down. First of all he claimed his daughter tested positive for Babesia Odocoilei with igenex labs 2 years ago when that is not even possible. He said there are 2 igenex tests that currently test for Babesia Odocoilei: the igenex immunoblot test (only available since Aug 22) and the Babesia Genus FISH test, so she clearly took the FISH test. The FISH test does not differentiate the species though. He makes the foolish assumption that she has Odocoilei because he claims its the only one he knows on the east coast and canada that produces chronic infection. And his assumption that a positive immunoblot for babesia genus is odocoilei is also a completely flawed assumption. Maybe you could get some experts that actually work in labs testing babesia that can talk about reality. This guy is living in a world of assumptions.

[@maurozammarano6651]

Dr L clearly stated that "MAYBE" only two labs can detect Babesia O. Actually in my case Both Igenex FISH and Immunoblot did not detect Odocolei multiple times but Tlab did at first try. Tlab targets RNA from Odocolei, Igenex from other babesia species so there is not guarantee will also target odocolei because no one knows exactly which part of the RNA they are combining with and if that segment is in common between species. The prevalence of Babesia Odocolei in NE USA is a fact and it is based on PCR tests of ticks. These tests are accurate and reliable, whereas PCR tests in humans are not. This guy is an excellent scientist but I strongly disagree with him when he dismisses the existence of chronic lyme.