Examining the Trinity, Part 4: Is the teaching from God or from Satan?

[@joshualara4223]

To understand why people view God as a Trinity we must look at the scriptures. We must look plainly at the evidences, if there be any, and evaluate it all once compiled. If God is really a trinity surely there must be evidence laid throughout the Bible. So let's examine the facts of God laid out in God's own Word: According to scripture we see that God is one (Deuteronomy 6:4, Deuteronomy 4:35, Deuteronomy 32:39, 2 Samuel 7:22, 1 Kings 8:60, 1 Chronicles 17:20, Isaiah 43:10, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 45:5, Isaiah 45:2, Isaiah 46:9, Galatians 3:20, Ephesians 4:6, 1 Timothy 2:5, James 2:19, Mark 12:29) However we see that there are 3 persons who are all referred to as God (we'll look at these examples next). But how can 3 be 1 God? A precedent for this understanding of oneness yet distinctness is set in Genesis when God says the husband and wife shall become one flesh (Genesis 2:24). Is the husband no longer one with the wife since he is the head of the wife? Or is the wife lesser than the husband because she is subservient to him? Although they have different roles, they are still equal in Christ, one in nature, and one in union/agreement. We also see this idea of being one in Jesus' prayer for the disciples to be one as the Father and Son are one (John 17:21-23). They are distinct yet unified. One in nature and union/agreement but distinctly their own person with their own role. We further see this precedent set for God with the angel of the LORD; who both refers to God and talks as though He is God, and is seen as God by others. He is distinct from God, being His messenger, yet is also God (Genesis 18, Genesis 23:1-2, 11-12, Genesis 32:24-30, Exodus 3, Judges 13:15-22) We see that this must be the preincarnate Son according to John (John 1:18) We can also see that God himself calls the Son God and that when Isaiah saw God, he saw Jesus (Hebrews 1:8-12, Psalm 104:4, Psalm 45:6-7, Psalm 102:24-27, John 12:36-41, Isaiah 6) Jesus is also given names/titles attributed to God and does things only God can do. Not to mention he is called the uncreated creator who existed before his time on Earth (John 1:1-14, Colossians 1:16, Exodus 3:13-15, John 8:56-58, Luke 5:17-26, John 10:27-33, John 5:17-18, Mark 14:61-64, John 20: 25-31, Psalm 50:1, Jeremiah 32:18, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 44:6, Revelation 1:8, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 22:12-13, 20) Lastly we see that the Holy Spirit is not only shown to have personhood but is also referred to as God (John 16:13-14, Acts 8:26-29, Acts 13:2, 1 Corinthians 12:1-11, Ephesians 4:30, Acts 5:1-4) The 3 do not make their own decisions but act in unison. The Father didn't send the Son against the Son's own will but the Son willingly went as the Father sent. The Spirit doesn't speak of Himself because the Son forbade Him to but because He chose to speak of the Son. Everything they do is in total agreement, not independent of one another but in agreement with one another These are just the facts laid out in scripture. It's not our job to make up who God is but to look at how he has revealed himself in scripture and either accept or reject the Truth as He has laid it out. Call it the Trinity or something else, we see there are 3 who are God, yet God is one. [As for the Son' subservience to the Father, when He took on the flesh, it was the form of a servant, made a little lower than the angels. We already saw how He created all things and existed before Abraham as the I AM. As a man He was subservient to God but now His name is lifted up above every other name and once again shares in the Father's glory which He had before the incarnation, even before the world was. He chose to limit Himself. God is a spirit and so Jesus is God, yet took on flesh, making Him a man; not losing His divinity but adding humanity (John 1:1-14, John 17:5, Galatians 4:4, Philippians 2:5-8, Hebrews 2:7-8, Hebrews 4:14-15)] For any clarification or any verses that you find to be contrary to these I would love to dialogue more about it!

[@KillTheEgo1223]

Scripture tells us that Jesus was given all authority by the father. If Jesus was equal to the father, then he really wasn’t given anything and the scripture and reward thereof is meaningless. Seriously pray on it and the answer will become clear. Peace

[@johndevisser903]

Already equal?? A man who is given all authority by God still has God above him. Nobody is equal to God wich includes the man Christ Jesus. God will judge the world by the man he has appointed says the scriptures.

[@KillTheEgo1223]

@@johndevisser903 wow I didn’t even realize how that came out. Thank you 🙏

[@renatovasquez6041]

Zechariah 6:13,,Jesus, the branch of David, will build the temple of Jehovah, and he will set and rule, he will also the priest ,on his throne, and there will be a peaceable agreement between them two,,, Ist, Cor, 15:24-28,,after Jesus defeated, all enemies,,,He will hand over the kingdom to Jehovah ,,,that time Jehovah wil be known as Jesus and everyone's God,,,

[@renatovasquez6041]

Ist, Cor,15:24-28,,Jesus will turn over his authority,,as a king,, and priest,,Zac,6:13, Proverbs 24:21-21,,,after he defeat false teachings,,then the end will occur,,,,,

[@lindybullen6535]

I was a JW are you saying there is no earthly resurrection with eternal life for those of us who pass the thousand year trial? Is the earth to be left barren of mankind? What is the point of us all going to heaven? I want to live forever on earth with my beloved resurrected family. Is this going to happen or not? I am very confused by you Sir. No disrespect intended Mrs Lindy Bullen

[@DoctrinesOfGrace]

Eric, you have started a firestorm here, lol... I have been sitting here for several hours reading through the comments on your video and I can totally see the group think mentality. It's either "I agree, Trinity BAD, great job" or "your stupid, Trinity true, go read these verses" or "you're one of the too learned and can't understand, but go look at these verses". I shouldn't be so surprised, 99% of people that call themselves Christian only follow the group that they believe to be true and can only see what scripture says through the lens of the group that they follow or previously followed if they are lucky enough to break away. So, I thought I would tell you why/how I believe that God is a trinity. Rose accused me of just being brainwashed, but I was never really taught the trinity, it was just assumed that you knew Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God so therefore the Trinity is true. Mind you that I was not a Christian at this point but I claimed to be at 18. I would just spout the typical verses that say Jesus is God, which I shared with you as well. But about 7 years ago I was seriously challenged on what I believed and started a process of trying to figure out what the Truth is. I started at the beginning with "is there really a God?", got into the science/evolution stuff and figured out that scientist have very good imaginations and try to state as fact a bunch of theories. Started researching where and how the religions got their holy text and figured out that all are just a crock except the Bible and saw that the Bible is really the only one that answers what we see in creation and that Jesus was a real person that started a movement. Studied what different "Christian" religions believe you must do to be saved and the evidence that a person is born again. And after studying 1 John 30 times in a row, I saw that I was not a Christian. I wasn't even in the ballpark. (Don't get me wrong, I wasn't a bad person in comparison to the world. Actually, I was a very good person in comparison to other people. I didn't smoke, drink, cheat, steal, etc. I went to church, I tried to help people, gave money to charities, fixed meals for the homeless, went on mission trips, etc.) But in this process, I started to see (I am attributing this to the Holy Spirit) how bad I really am compared to a holy, righteous, just, loving, jealous, wrathful, etc, etc, etc, god. Even the best of us, that are trying to be good, trying to live a "godly" life have failed so miserably that we should die and pay for every sin that we have committed immediately. And starting to understand verses like Romans 3:10-18 "as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” This is every person that has ever lived Jew and Gentile. I also started to see a pattern in scripture. No person has ever chosen God first, it is always God choosing the person to be His first. There wasn't anything good or special about Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses, David, Jesus disciples, or anyone else. What made them special is Jehovah chose to reveal Himself to them and they believed. We love Him because He first loved us. Now come to when I truly saw who Jesus is for the first time and what He did for those that believe. Mind you this is the condensed version, this happened over the course of several weeks but this is the climax. About 3:00 am in my garage, I am in total fear of God because I truly saw how vile I am and fearing the wrath of God coming upon me. I started to cry out, "I'm sorry for being so wicked!!!" over and over again. And then just a calm feeling comes over me and these words come to my head. "I paid it all" and the weight of that burden just left and now I am crying and not sure what just happened and saying to myself. "My God my God, why me, why me, thank you thank you!!!" referring to Jesus. Needless to say, I was an emotional mess but I felt like a new person and from that point on I have been in constant prayer, wanting to study His Word day and night, wanting to tell people about what God had done but more than that wanting to challenge people to make sure they are following the Father, Son and Holy Spirit of the Bible instead of a made-up God they have pieced together from all their years of listening to others and piece mill reading of God's Word. When challenged with who God really is, it is very difficult to answer from either a Non-Trinitarian or a Trinitarian perspective based off what God's Word tells us about each one, but the Trinity doctrine is really the best way to describe Him, in my opinion and yes, I know everyone has one. But if Jesus is a created being, then He wouldn't be that unique because God could have just created another one and if Jesus is created then how would He be able to forgive sin that is committed against God. Only God can forgive sin, that was one thing that the Jews got right. The Jews of Jesus time also knew what Jesus was saying, "He was making Himself equal to God" and that is why they so much wanted to kill Him. So, with that said, I know we can take each verse that claims Jesus to be a god/divine and very easily using eisegesis change its meaning and when we are done, we can deny He really is a god or He may be god like but not really God, or just called a god. But the best advice I ever got was "every verse of scripture means what it means regardless of what you think or want it to mean". So, using exegesis you get the actual meaning based off the context and that is what it means, and yes you always use clear passages to interpret unclear passages. As an example, you were using eisegesis when you tried to explain 1 Peter 3:18-19. You just assumed that the "make alive in the spirit" relates to Jesus’ resurrection because that is the doctrine that you hold to. And you can find people that will back you up on what you believe. But every time, except for 1, the actual word for "resurrection" is used in the NT it is referring to a bodily resurrection, not a spirit resurrection. But coming to conclusions this way gives you false doctrines and may be even a different Jesus, gospel, or spirit that does not save. As you can see, I am big on 2 Cor. 11 but I hate the thought that people that think they are believers will be standing before Jesus on judgement day and Jesus saying "I never knew you, depart from Me...". Let me know if you have any questions or concerns of my conclusions.

[@joelruiz3025]

I believe in trinity now was brought up jehovahs wittness. Born 1993. Reg pioneer/ministerial servant in past. Dad took his life 2 years ago he was an elder for 30 years. Peace with you all. I just wish we were all getting along

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

Those who deny the TRINITY have no idea what we believe. In conversations with JWS and others, they always tells that we believe in three GOD and are polytheistic. Then, in the same breath, tell me how JESUS is a god (John 1 : 1 NWT). They claim to be experts in Greek, yet have never heard it spoken or taken a class. They also ignore the verses that clearly say that the HOLY SPIRIT and CHRIST participate in creation with the FATHER. One person had the audacity to say that the epistles of St. Paul don't belong in the New Testament even though St. John and St. Mathew both said that JESUS is GOD. Crazy.

[@danielcamacho8390]

Your comment that we don’t figure God out, rather he reveals himself to us was pretty enlightening. Thank you brother

[@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq]

: A claim made by all who claim the spirit.

[@annapaulal.h.1393]

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[@elizadejesus9811]

Thank you Eric. Your last words are dead on. As one that is leaving the organization, I keep hearing ex JW believing in the Trinity. I have tried to be “open minded”, but can not find logic or truth in this teaching. I am very appreciative of your videos, helping us to re-learn our Father and Son. Keep preaching my Brother.

[@trooperman1080]

It will take time of Prayerfully Studying the Word of God to get the JWs indoctrination cleared from your mind and to get your mind renewed in the truth of Scripture..May the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth.

[@compositioncompilation]

Erroneous teachings are par for the course..prophesied but it was hidden from our eyes. See rev 11:5 & 6 Hag 2:7 & scripture points out that God let's go toward them..an operation of error..a deluding influence.. That's referring to his chosen people ! It's become clear to me..that the man of lawlessness need not be a negative entity..could be that God will use thst role played by his people..to accomplish his will..in gathering the nations to Har Mageddon. See rev 16:14-16. 3 unclean expressions INSPIRED by Demons. Demonic ideas used by God to ..through his people..disgust rulers of the nations to fight against his people. Manipulated into place..as ezek 38 says. Gogs final attack ! Watch the news ? Is a sword being called for against him ? Looked to me ..like rev 19:15-18 has been this pandemic.. Similar language to ezek 38:20-22

[@compositioncompilation]

'The truth '.. Setting up ourselves for accusations ..finger pointing..and even hatred..manna was collected daily..the next say it was inedible..thrown away with worms..there's a lesson in the manna for us..

[@brexitannia9703]

Read a Bible that is not a New World Translation. The problem is you was indoctrinated by Watchtower theology. It's funny how the NWT have had to add the English word OTHER to colossians 2:9 so according to the Watchtower Jesus created all (OTHER) things. I wonder what Jehovah allowed Jesus to create 🤔 If you look in the NWT at John 8:58 its translated Before Abraham was I have been 🤔 been were? The Watchtower Greek interliner even translates Before Abraham was I am. So why did Nathan H Knowe write in the NWT I have been? It doesn't make sense. Of course the JW organisation know only to well what both those verses imply 😁 this is why they had to change them. Then we have the NWT John1:1 and the word was a god that also had to be changed because the Watchtower was happy with the word was God. Very crafy 😁 but then, Satan is a master deceiver the Devil doesn't want you to know the REAL TRUTH.

[@vintage6346]

@@trooperman1080 The Trinity is a false doctrine. Jehovah's Witnesses are correct in teaching that the Trinity is a false doctrine. Eric's video helps those who have left Watchtower not to be deceived into accepting the false doctrine of the Trinity.

[@paulrosser6249]

Clearly the debate about the trinity is a subject that confuses many by design. We remember Peter who believed Jesus was the messiah as many do yet Peter denied him three times and was forgiven. Mercy through love triumphs over judgment. Thank you Eric for your clear reasonings.

[@freethinker2964]

The trinity teaching, said that all three persons are equal in all theirs attributes. My question to anyone that believes it is, How is possible to sin against the Father, and been forgive, sin against the son,and been forgive, but sin against the Holy spirit and never be forgive? What happened to equality?

[@trooperman1080]

This how I understand this.. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unpardonable because it's the Holy Spirit who administrators the Glorious Richies that are achieved by the death of Jesus Christ in the life of the Believer...from the regeneration, teaching, sanctification to the glorification of the Believer. It's all the work of the Holy Spirit. But this doesn't mean that they are the Three Persons are not equal in form...it just means that they have different roles.

[@akatheheretic3014]

@Free Thinker PRECISELY ❗😉👌

[@freethinker2964]

@spencer mutumbi Thank you for your reply I do understand why the sin against the holy spirit is unforgettable Deny the work of the holy spirit is deny the nature of Jehovah Attributing miracle performed by Jesus of any others individuals moved by holy spirit, is speaking against God Himself Look at what the pharisees did in the case of Jesus

[@katb945]

Yes and the Holy Spirit is hardly mentioned in this co equal trinity, it is usually always a duality not three if the this trinity teaching, That in itself is a huge red flag.

[@kml111712]

Because to sin against the holy spirit, or to blaspheme against the spirit, is to deny the great mercy and forgiveness that God offers....therefore, u cannot be forgiven if u don't except the forgiveness. In every case, u have to ask for the forgiveness and accept it and trust in it

[@try_himsee3335]

Without believing in Sola Scriptura (scripture alone as the final authority) and Total Scriptura (all of Scriptura ), you will never see the Trinity. Yaweh is a complex being and understanding the Trinity is beyond our ability to fully understand it and because we can't, doesn't make it false. Eric explanation sounds so intellectual, but it's based on logical fallacies of the scriptures

[@ckelly5141]

if a person’s heart condition(spiritually speaking) is right with God, then his identity and nature will become clear over time, no doubt about it. God will reveal himself to sincere worshippers.(Joh.4:24).

[@kevinbelz6849]

I have followed and listened to you for a long while. I enjoy your info. On this topic (trinity) I believe you simply need study the Bible focusing on Creation. God displays his mighty power via creation. He shares that Glory with no other. Yet, the involvement of Christ and the Holy Spirit....could make you challenge your current viewpoint. This post feels very JW, my friend.....

[@BeroeanPickets]

Do you believe that every teaching of the watchtower organization is false?

[@brendonw5387]

Came to say the same thing. I enjoy a lot of his videos but I think he’s missed a lot of studying in the Bible from preconceived/ brainwashed doctrines of jws that very clearly point to a triune God.

[@kevinjackson2361]

@@BeroeanPickets Pretty much, once you uncover one false teaching it is hard to trust anything else they say. I suppose you could make a list of things the WT got right, but I think it would be small in comparison to it's false teachings

[@caribbeanman2037]

The Trinity doctrine isn't entirely correct. But bible readers have for centuries observed in scripture, a unity among the ( father, son & holyspirit).. The bible clearly teaches that Jesus has the same nature as the father.. Phillipians 2: 5-7. The Holyspirit is a person, not an impersonal force.. The father often spoke to men through Jesus. Genesis 15: 1-5 Jesus is the (Word of God) or chief spokes person. Men addressed him Jesus as God as seen in Genesis 15. Jesus explains that his father is greater than him, and this is true. However the father can exercise his rulership directly through the son.. Philippians 2:10-11 [10]That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11]And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Worship to Jesus brings Glory to the Father.. Even the angels bow down to the son..So we see a unity among the three. Jesus is worthy of such, that's why the father his given him " all authority ".. That why Jesus was described as assuming a grandiose name as (Mighty God). Who is he presently a Might God over..

[@Hammertime177]

I'm an ex JW and now believe in the trinity. Reading a non doctored Bible (not the NWT) shows me that Jesus is truly divine. God and man consubstantial with the father. Blessed trinity. I feel free now I know the truth about our lord Jesus

[@BeroeanPickets]

A "non-doctored Bible"? I haven't yet found one, but if you have, I'd love to know about it.

[@London_miss234]

I am Episcopalian. I am an ex JW too. I have come to appreciate the Nicene Creed.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@@London_miss234 The 325 C.E. one where the duality, not the Trinity, was officially adopted?

[@London_miss234]

@@BeroeanPickets I think 381 AD

[@BeroeanPickets]

@@London_miss234 That was the council of Constantinople where the holy spirit was finally brought in to make a trinity.

[@katb945]

Rev 5:7 Then [the lamb] went right up and took [the scroll] from the right hand of the One that was sitting on the throne. 8 And when he took the scroll, the four cherubs and the twenty-four elders (each of whom held harps and gold bowls that were filled with the incense that symbolizes the prayers of the Holy Ones) fell down in front of him, 9 and they sang a new song, which went: ‘You’re the only one that is worthy To receive the scroll and open it’s seals. For, you’re the one that was slaughtered To buy a people for God with your blood From every tribe, language, country, and race, 10 That will serve as Kings and Priests of our God, And to rule as Kings on (gr. epi) the earth.’

[@PraiseYaHuWaH]

Thank you Brother! Your a beautiful man with a beautiful way of explaining things just so and just right. My wife and I love to listen to you because you have a special gift by YaHuWaH in doing exactly what you do! AHleleuWYaH!

[@BeroeanPickets]

@Praise Yahuwah - Thank you so much for your kind remarks.

[@perspicacityglance6191]

The interpretations that give way to the trinity doctrine depend greatly on defining what is meant by “person” or “godhead”. But the Scriptures are unique in declaring that even if many gods were to exist, which to some extent they may, the truth is that YHWH is One, not just one of many gods, not just one as if the first god, not just one as if part of a group of more, but YHWH is One incomparably unique eternally. The nature of YHWH is incomparable and beyond created reality.

[@austenmcmahan9250]

Hello Eric, Thank you so much for the time and care that went into producing this video. It's helpful to have your objections to the doctrine of the trinity laid out so carefully. I'd like to respond to a few of the points that you made: First, you made the claim that those who believe in the doctrine of the trinity do so out of a kind of intellectual pride. I felt that the rest of the points that you made could have been made without opening up on this kind of statement. This an ad hominem approach and commits the genetic fallacy. Also, we cannot really know what people's motivations are for making certain kinds of truth claims, only that at times they can seem to be prideful from our perspective. That can easily be mistaken. Furthermore you reference Matthew 11:25-27. Jesus says that "these things" had been revealed to children. What things? Was Jesus referring to God's ontological nature? No. Through his role as the Messiah he was revealing what the Father was like. In context, "these things" refers to events that took place prior to this verse in the Book of Matthew and how these events reveal the character of the Father. It takes a childlike disposition to be instructed by Christ. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that one must remain a child in their mental powers. After all, you are quite intelligent yourself. Your own intellectual prowess doesn't mean that you no longer have child like humility. The apostle Paul was no intellectual pushover himself and many things in his letters were hard to understand, even for the original recipients. (2 Peter 3:16) Does the complicated nature of Paul's writings indicate that he was motivated out of pride? Or rather that he didn't want his audience to remain young children in their reasoning skills? You also say that this issue of the doctrine of the trinity determines whether someone can receive everlasting life. You refer to John 17:3. Yet, this verse does not refer to taking in knowledge of God, as in a series of propositional claims about the nature of God or of his purposes. Rather, it relates to knowing God in a relational sense. After all, a severely mentally handicapped person could know God in a relational sense, but might be unable to take in propositional knowledge of God's nature. For instance I could know you, Eric Wilson, without having to know anything about biology or every detail of your history. I wouldn't need to be able to make certain kinds of ontological claims about your existence or to be able to describe you in those terms to be able to know you by having a relationship with you. A dog can know her master or a little baby can know her mother without understanding their nature. Jesus is saying that we can only have a real relationship with the one true God by also having a relationship with Jesus Christ. The criteria for salvation is not having a series of propositional truth claims in your head. Rather, it is putting your ultimate trust in Jesus Christ and living according to that real trust. Amazingly, you have damned to destruction those who do that, who have also come to a different conclusion about the nature of God. I certainly don't think your salvation depends on being able to describe God's ontological nature correctly. The ontological and the economic models of the trinity are never played against each other the way that you have in this video. The reason for this is because they are non-overlapping descriptions of the reality of God. For instance, I could describe the biological makeup of every member of a three-person family. And then I could go on to describe what every person in that family does; what kind of roles they play within the family. Those two descriptions do not cut against each other. Rather they offer a complete description. For instance I could say that a husband and wife are equal in their intellectual capabilities and are equal because they are both humans. I wouldn't say that the husband and wife having different roles would be a result of the fact that they do not have an equal nature. Aren't husband and wife both equally human? Of course, the example of a three-person family is only an analogy. It is not synonymous with a trinitarian model of God. Some may experience social pressure to accept the doctrine of the trinity. When there is group consensus, this can be the case and it is unfortunate. The vast majority of Christians accept the doctrine of the trinity. This could be because of social pressure or it could be that they have simply come to a different conclusion than you. Or perhaps it could be that these hundreds of millions of Christians are intellectually prideful as you suggest. However that's just not been my experience. And many report not feeling pressure to accept the trinity from their Church. (Edit: When you said that Socinianists or Biblical Unitarians were anti-christs, does that count as social pressure?)

[@timotimy254]

Excellent comment!

[@jakeroberts6274]

Such a great comment, thanks for taking time to gently correct Eric and the team. They are recent exJWs so I’m sure they’d be the first to say they have much to learn on that journey and will know more in the years to come than upon exiting. Constructive comments like this can assist their learning.

[@dxxt136]

So well put. Thank you

[@tsevaoth]

Trinity wasn’t debate between Mesianic Jews like apostle Paul or Peter, or other Jesus followers. We all know when at the point of history the doctrine of trinity was introduced, when the all Jew line of scriptural understanding and the Jews believers was wiped out from Constantine’s new Christianity. You like it or not, is still a man made doctrine approved in three big waves along times! O, and by the way, there was murders comited by rejecting the Trinity! Simply told, this is a debate only for late theologians, not a debate in the Bible.

[@austenmcmahan9250]

@@tsevaoth Ignatius of Antioch, who was discipled by both Paul and Peter and was later the Bishop of Antioch, writes letters that would have been read by an audience that was made up in large part by messianic Jews. Writing around A.D. 110, he writes to the Ephesians: "Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which is at Ephesus, in Asia, deservedly most happy, being blessed in the greatness and fulness of God the Father, and predestinated before the beginning of time, that it should be always for an enduring and unchangeable glory, being united and elected through the true passion by the will of the Father, and Jesus Christ, our God: Abundant happiness through Jesus Christ, and His undefiled grace." "There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first possible and then impossible,- even Jesus Christ our Lord." Another example of many to the Romans: "Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High Father, and Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is beloved and enlightened by the will of Him that willeth all things which are according to the love of Jesus Christ our God, which also presides in the place of the region of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise, worthy of obtaining her every desire, worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love, is named from Christ, and from the Father, which I also salute in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father: to those who are united, both according to the flesh and spirit, to every one of His commandments; who are filled inseparably with the grace of God, and are purified from every strange taint, [I wish] abundance of happiness unblameably, in Jesus Christ our God." In his letter to Polycarp, who was discipled by John, he writes: "Be ever becoming more zealous than what thou art. Weigh carefully the times. Look for Him who is above all time, eternal and invisible, yet who became visible for our sakes; impalpable and impassible, yet who became passible on our account; and who in every kind of way suffered for our sakes." Ignatius takes it for granted that his audience would believe the same things he wrote. Polycarp, writing to the Phillippians says: "Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal High-priest Himself the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth, and in all gentleness and in all avoidance of wrath and in forbearance and long-suffering and in patient endurance and in purity; and may He grant unto you a lot and portion among His saints, and to us with you, and to all that are under heaven, who shall believe on our Lord and God Jesus Christ and on His Father that raised him from the dead,” Defending what he assumed was the basic beliefs of all Christians, Aristides of Athens writes: "The Christians, then, trace the beginning of their religion from Jesus the Messiah; and he is named the Son of God Most High. And it is said that God came down from heaven, and from a Hebrew virgin assumed and clothed himself with flesh; and the Son of God lived in a daughter of man." Justin Martyr, who was taught Christianity in Palestine, writes around A.D. 150, in his first apology: "The Father of the universe has a Son, who also being the first begotten Word of God, is even God." Writing around the same time in his dialogue with Trypho, he writes: "For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God. For Moses says somewhere in Exodus the following: `The Lord spake to Moses, and said to him, I am the Lord, and I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, being their God; and my name I revealed not to them, and I established my covenant with them.' And thus again he says, `A man wrestled with Jacob,' and asserts it was God; narrating that Jacob said, `I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'" There are a number of other quotes I could borrow from. All of the writers I mentioned were within one or two generations of the apostles and write within a largely Jewish context. Also, every one of these men were martyred for their belief in Christianity. If these men were trying to escape persecution and bent their beliefs to fit common opinion, they failed badly. Furthermore, if people actually understand Roman pagan beliefs, you aren't going to be able to find a way the deity of Christ would fit into a pagan mold, much less a trinitarian model. /// Yes. Trinitarians at various points in church history persecuted non-trinitarians. At other points of church history, arians persecuted trinitarians. For most of church history, trinitarians persecuted other trinitarians. There is nothing about claiming to believe in a certain doctrine or being able to articulate it that makes you a genuine Christian.

[@DoctrinesOfGrace]

So just to follow up on my previous post. I agree with your statement 100% about the spirit of God has to guide us in the truth and that both me as a Trinitary and you as a Non-Trinitary are not guided by the same spirit and hence we come to different conclusions on the nature of God. One of us is a heretic that will not inherit eternal life at worse or a Christian that is misguided at best. So let me start by discussing the Carm article 25:55 that you sited. The purpose of the article is to show us that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all different persons because they have different roles and functions, not that the three are equal as God. Unless you accept that scripture teaches that all three are called God and there is no such thing as a created god or a lesser god, then you will not make heads or tails of the article. The ending statement "Without these distinctions, there can’t be any distinctions between the persons of the Trinity and if there are no distinctions, there is no Trinity." in which you responded with "huh, I would look at all those distinction to prove there isn't a trinity because they prove the three are not equal at all"... To which I say you missed the whole point of the article. They could have worded it better but it is still correct. Without us being able to know the distinct roles and functions of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit we would not know that there is three persons that make up the Godhead. So your story about being a murderer really doesn't apply at all. You are setting up an argument to defend your take away of the article that doesn't fit. You are correct when you say that when we read the Bible and we see passages that the Father does this, or the Son does that, or the Holy Spirit does this we are not lead into believing that God is a trinity but we should take away that the Father does this, and the Son does that, and the Holy Spirit does this. And when we read passages that the Father is God, and the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God then we should question what is going on here. I remember reading Genesis 1 before I was a Christian and thinking "what the h-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks is this. These stupid people don't even know how to use pronouns properly.". But the nature of God is laid out for us in the very first chapter of the Bible but I didn't understand it till I had that Thomas moment that I spoke of before, when I was actually born from above. My response to your response to Kent Hovind's debate is again you are comparing Jesus the man to God and that doesn't work. Jesus as man was limited by time just as we are, He got hungry just as we do, He got tired and needed to sleep as we do, He grew in stature and knowledge just as we do, He died on the cross and His body was in the tomb for three days, so on and so forth but as God Jesus was preaching to the spirits in prison for three days. As man Jesus had every limitation/weakness that we have yet without sin and I am afraid that is where your understanding of the nature of God Father/Son/Holy Spirit breaks down and I have to conclude that you have a different spirit guiding you than I have guiding me. You seem like a smart reasonable guy that is truly searching for the truth of God and I am praying you find it. My email is [e-mail] if you would like to converse in more detail. Thanks for all you hard work on the videos.

[@BeroeanPickets]

First of all, thank you for commenting on the video. Every other trinitarian to date--EVERY OTHER TRINITARIAN--has avoided any comment on the reasoning presented in the video and just fallen into the same old pattern of making bald assertions and quoting tired "proof texts". You have not done that, and I thank you for it. However, you are making assertions of your own, so I list three below and ask you for Bible proof. Please prove the following statements. "there is no such thing as a created god or a lesser god" "but as God Jesus was preaching to the spirits in prison for three days" Prove not that he preached to the spirits in prison, because I accept that, but that he did it during those three days prior to his resurrection. Also, prove that the differences in their roles is evidence they are one being.

[@DoctrinesOfGrace]

@@BeroeanPickets "there is no such thing as a created god or a lesser god" Jehovah says over and over in His Word that there is no other god but Him, none formed before Him and none after Him (Isa 43:10). So either Jehovah was either lying or all other gods are false gods and just called a god (like Satan or the Jewish priest) but not a real god by nature, but that doesn't apply to Jesus. By nature Jesus is a legitimate god (Isa 9:6, Col 2:9, John 1:1-18, Heb 1, etc, etc, etc...) "but as God Jesus was preaching to the spirits in prison for three days" I should not have said "for three days" because the Bible doesn't tell us how long He was there, but according to 1 Peter 3:18-19 Jesus body was dead and in the tomb but He was alive in the spirit and He went to preach/proclaim His victory over sin to the spirits in prison. We also know that He was in paradise the day of of His death (Luke 23:42-43) and according to Jesus He resurrected His own body (John 2:19-22). Hard to be dead and raise yourself at the same time, sounds like an act of God. "Also, prove that the differences in their roles is evidence they are one being." The differences in roles do not prove they are one being, they prove that they are different persons because each has different functions in the roles of creation/salvation/sanctification/etc,etc,etc. I'm sure you have heard this hundreds of times, but all the verses that refer to each being God (verses listed above), all the verses that have the same names/titles applied to more than one (King of Glory, First and Last, Alpha and Omega, the I AM, Lord of Host, Shepherd, only Creator, only Savior, only Redeemer, on and on), verses where the son is equal to God but was willing to place himself under restrictions to become a man so He could die (Phil 2:5-8), verses where Jehovah says He will not give His glory to no-one (Isa 48:11) and yet the Father is glorifying the Son before and after creation (John 17:1,5), when Isaiah says he saw the glory of Jehovah in the temple (Isa 6:1-3) and Jesus says Isaiah saw His (Jesus') glory in the temple (John 12:41 please read the context), in the announcement of Jesus' birth He was to be called Emmanuel which means "God with us" (Isa 7:14 & Matt 1:23) not a representative of God or God like but God Himself with us, and I could keep going but you get the picture. This is why they are one being, one nature, one God but not the same persons. Hope this helps...

[@BeroeanPickets]

@@DoctrinesOfGrace Thank you, Ben. There is something you are overlooking in your reasoning on Isaiah 43:10, but I won't get into that here since the next video will deal with that in detail. Next you say: "Jesus body was dead and in the tomb but He was alive in the spirit". That isn't actually accurate, is it? That makes it sound like his human body died, but his spirit kept living, but that isn't what Peter tells us happened, is it? "because Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, so that He might bring you to God, having been put to death indeed in the flesh, but having been made alive in the spirit, in which also having gone, He preached to the spirits in prison. (1 Peter 3:18, 19 BLB) He died as a man, but was made alive or was resurrected back to life, but not as a man, but as a spirit. If he was God, then God died and God was resurrected or made alive. Luke 23:42-43 is not the proof you claim it to be. There are three ways of reading that, all valid when taken by themselves. An ambiguous scripture cannot serve as proof. The same applies for John 2:19-22 which can mean he resurrected his body, or he raised up a body for himself in the same way that the angels who visited Abraham took on the flesh to manifest themselves to humans. You write: Also, prove that the differences in their roles is evidence they are one being." The differences in roles do not prove they are one being, they prove that they are different persons because each has different functions in the roles of creation/salvation/sanctification/etc,etc,etc. Yes, but the CARM article argues that the difference of their roles prove they are a trinity. I'll get into all the other proof texts in the fullness of time, God willing.

[@DoctrinesOfGrace]

@@BeroeanPickets Isa 43:10 - I am very interested in what you have to say about it, because it is about as straight forward as it gets, unless you think that Jehovah was only speaking about man made idols/gods, but that is not what He says. So we'll see. You said "He died as a man, but was made alive or was resurrected back to life, but not as a man, but as a spirit. If he was God, then God died and God was resurrected or made alive." You are assuming that "zoopieo" means to come back to life/resurrected, which is framing the argument to support your position. The definition is to make alive or to keep alive but the context is speaking about the death of His flesh not death of His spirit. Jesus as God was separated from the Father while He was taking God's wrath for sin. This is when He cried out “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” And right before His flesh died He said “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!”. Nothing about His spirit dying or going out of existence. He was immediately in the presence of the Father, which supports what Luke 23:42-43 says. And the "made alive" is when sin was paid for and "It is finished". No longer separated from the Father but the body was dead. Also want to touch on "John 2:19-22 which can mean he resurrected his body, or he raised up a body for himself in the same way that the angels who visited Abraham took on the flesh to manifest themselves to humans." I can not in any form accept your 2nd interpretation, because if Jesus did not have the same body then He did not defeat death and that would be a different gospel. And by the way, there were two angels and Jehovah Himself that visited Abraham. I love that God Himself came and was eating and drinking and conversing with him and Sara directly. I enjoy your videos, you can make a person think which is a good thing.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@@DoctrinesOfGrace ​ @Ben Mullis Since you believe the spirit is a living entity, then you interpret Jesus words to mean he was returning to God, even though he didn't return to God for another 43 days. But that means you believe in the immortal soul, so that is a whole other teaching. If there is no immortal soul, then we have to interpret the meaning of Jesus last words in the light of that fact and that changes everything. So Luke 23:42, 43 cannot be proof of your argument, because we haven't yet established whether the soul is immortal. Likewise, your interpretation of John 2:19-22 and 1 Peter 3:18, 19 differs from mine based on our different beliefs in the mortal/immortal soul. So we have ambiguous scriptures which do not prove either interpretation and have to go outside those verses into a discussion of the soul's mortality/immortality to resolve the ambiguity. As for Jehovah visiting Abraham, we have to resolve that with the scriptures that teach us that no man has seen God at any time. Thank you for watching the videos. I've enjoyed the exchange of views.

[@margaretislas2916]

1 Timothy 2:5; Luke 1:32,3; Deuteronomy 18:18,19; Acts 3:22,23; Daniel 7:13,14; John 3:16; 12:49; 1 Corinthians 11:3; John 20:17; 1 Corinthians 15:28; Jehovah is the only true God, the all mighty, head , the God , the Father of Jesus. We are to get accurate knowledge about Jehovah and Jesus but not about the holy spirit to obtain salvation John 17:3. Jesus is a mighty God true but, not the almighty God. Jehovah is the Almighty God. Jehovah recognize and label them gods to all those who serve him to carry his purpose Psalms 82:6; Jesus explained this fact very well. John 10:34,35. Amen and Amen. Eric , I feel free from all the stress and anxiety and pressure. I am worshiping Jehovah with spirit and truth. I hear the voice of my lord Jesus crystal clear now. Thanks to Jehovah and Jesus for supplying to us the holy spirit. I continue preaching with freedom . I don’t feel uncomfortable by preaching things that I knew were lies . 2 Corinthians 3:17. Praised be our God Jehovah and his son Jesus. Amen 🙏🏼 Thanks Eric may Jehovah and Jesus continue with you and may Jehovah give you his power to continue your great work. In the name of our lord Jesus amen 🙏🏼

[@preachfromthehousetops2167]

Very good video Eric. In my personal view, the Trinity is only one post biblical teaching that attempts to harmonize apparent contradictory statements in the Bible. Since I believe there is another way to harmonize the data, I don’t agree with it. That being said, I do know there are many that sincerely believe it. I feel it is not my place to judge their standing with God because I disagree with their understanding of the nature of God much in the same way I feel it would not be my place to judge witnesses that sincerely believe Watchtower is God’s organization. Should we discuss scripture in an effort to determine what is truth? Absolutely! But when I hear one person say that another person is condemned by God because they do not accept what they believe is true makes me very uncomfortable. (Rom. 14:12)

[@rikki-tikki-tavi4073]

Mark, you are the one embracing an intellectual formula.. The scripture saying God would hide the truth from the intellectual one and reveal it to babes is indeed true. But even a babe can put a jigsaw puzzle together.. You embrace the Society's stand that Jesus is a god but evidently a lesser God than Jehovah. Isaiah 44:6 says (and this is Jehovah speaking, ") I am the first and the last. Apart from me, there is no God." Of course, John 1:1 says the Word was with God. And the word was God." And then you read Rev.1:17 when it definitely refers to Jesus as the first and the last, the conclusion is inescapable. Jesus is God. A part of God. I have a lot of respect for you Mark. You are a very intelligent man. But please put all the pieces together. I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. But even as a child (and here the" babe" metaphor kicks in) I thought there was definitely something wrong with the Society's doctrine. How could Christians adopt the trinity for 2000 years and suddenly the Jehovah's Witnesses come along and say the idea was pagan and Christians (some of whom were martyred and suffered agonizing deaths) be wrong. I just don't buy that God would allow a false idea of him exist for that long and allow people who wholeheartedly believed in him and loved him suffer like that. .I just don't believe it. And after reading the Bible apart from the Watchtower, I frankly, I believe the trinity doctrine sound.

[@BeroeanPickets]

Who's Mark?

[@tarantulaclan5025]

Then you need to read the bible again, Yehovah allows satan to have a deluding influence over the people to see who really is a lover of the truth!!

[@tarantulaclan5025]

and that's your problem, you don't believe!!

[@Thomas_Zscheile]

Dear brother Eric, I once also struggled with the trinity doctrine. It took a while for me understanding what it meant. I personally like the explainations of Dr. Michael Heiser on the topic when he shows how the Old Testament already introduces the trinitarian Godhead thinking. Maybe you find his videos helpful for an explaination why many Christians believe in the trinity. Just search for "Michael Heiser trinity" here and you will find some longer videos but also 3 or 4 shorter ones which may already provide a glimpse into the topic. What was quite intriguing for me about it was the point that if there is a trinity, then Jesus is God in human form, being fully human which means that God offered up himself as a sacrifice for our sins to make atonement. This I believe even increased my love for God and the appreciation of his love for us. He provided himself and did not merely send another (substitutable) creature. Greetings of brotherly love from Gernany, may God bless you Thomas

[@jboogiethebeat]

lol You just dont get it. Jesus is not not god. The trinity is a false teaching.

[@jboogiethebeat]

Free Thinker 1 hour ago The trinity teaching, said that all three persons are equal in all theirs attributes. My question to anyone that believes it is, How is possible to sin against the Father, and been forgive, sin against the son,and been forgive, but sin against the Holy spirit and never be forgive? What happened to equality?

[@trooperman1080]

The Trinity doctrine is indeed woven through out the whole of Scripture. Hinted many times in the Old Testament but then clearly revealed in the New Testament...its God alone revealing who He is in His glorious work of the redemption of mankind...indeed Christ is the God/Man dying for our Sins to the glory of His Father.

[@trooperman1080]

Well said my Brother

[@BeroeanPickets]

Your faith is not based on Scripture, but on translations made with doctrinal bias. I will be commenting on all these verses, but again, people will believe what they want to believe.

[@interestinginsights6077]

I didn't grow up in the church, but when I gave my life to God I felt like heaven opened up, God breathing life into me and all of a sudden I clicked Jesus was God in flesh! I clicked the Trinitarian doctrine without giving it much thought prior to my salvation.

[@BeroeanPickets]

Do you believe that such an anecdotal experience is proof of the trinity?

[@interestinginsights6077]

@@BeroeanPickets Anecdotes is definitely a type of evidence even though it isn't the strongest form of proof. I just thought it was strange that I snapped something so complex, not giving it much thought prior to my conversion. I was also living in China and it happened after I had a dream that I better decide between God and the world even if it will cost my life. In that moment it felt like nothing was more real than God and it was an experience I don't think anything else on earth will ever triumph. But I might have been influenced in ways I do not know, so I am open to correction.

[@tonyspare2468]

I do have a honest question I would like to hear your thought on. I have the same view of the Trinity as being overly complex and not faith based but intellectual mystical stuff. What I am left with is how should I view Christ? To my eye, he is worshiped in the bible, he created me, and he is the image of God, what else do I need to call him my God, and if I do, how do I rectify that with the oneness of the father? I have no trouble removing the Holy Spirit from the equation because that is simple as you say in scripture. I also can plainly see how a father is above a son, a father came first, a father is given honor by a son, it is a very simple analogy that God used and I do see it. It is only when it comes to Christs relation to being my Lord and my God that I get confused, it seems to be very simple on it's own. Can we worship Christ Jesus without having to make him equal to God, or is that worshiping two Gods? Sorry for the novel lol.

[@BeroeanPickets]

The key is understanding the meaning of worship. It has become muddled by church usages, but understanding the original meaning clears up any quandary you might have, like I used to have. Perhaps these articles will help: beroeans.net/category/worship/

[@tonyspare2468]

@@BeroeanPickets I will look at that thanks

[@deborahmccauley717]

Thank you for being so honest and making it easy to understand

[@BeroeanPickets]

You are so welcome!

[@wjvlodek8769]

Hi Eric!! Thanks for the video and explanation. Perhaps you wouldn't mind clarifying this issue I have: Although I have studied and read the Bible for many years, being imperfect (any many other reasons), well, there is a lot to know. We (all of us) will never understand everything about God, Jesus, creation and and who knows how long it will take for us to understand what the Apostles meant when they penned their books ("add no further burden to you, etc.). That being said, your comment(s), "asking whether you can be considered a true Christian if you knowingly believe a false doctrine"....what if you believe something that is false but believe it sincerely? We can use the trinity for example, or, say the cross vs torture stake (even something "simple" as that can be complicated), if there should be an "a" in John 1:1, or, what I struggle with the most is "approaching God/Jehovah"...(through Jesus' name..as a mediator, etc., as I do not want to insult God by approaching him incorrectly). I came to the conclusion that I am going to continue to study and do the best I can (to be obedient and "do the will of God")...and if I get something wrong (either due to misunderstanding, not time to study it thoroughly, etc.) ...hopefully Jehovah will extend mercy and Jesus will have compassion on my soul during judgment. I don't know...hopefully Jehovah and Jesus will understand my limited capability and to "consider me to be a true Christian if I believe (or get wrong) a doctrine". THANK YOU....again!!

[@BeroeanPickets]

Hi WJ, We mustn't forget the role of the spirit in leading us into the truth. We all get things wrong, but if the spirit is alive in us, we will be led to truth eventually. If we resist the spirit, we will remain in error.

[@jonesingblues4384]

I would like to make a small contribution by use of a question and an opinion; QUESTION: What if the Jews already believed in Two Powers in the first century and that is why it's not a problem for Christian Jews to accept that Jesus was God. John states, as we all know, in the first chapter of John that the Word was God and was made flesh. He would have had some kind of reason for making such a statement. OPINION: In the OT, book of Genesis, look for when YHWH talks to YHWH or when YHWH appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18 - 19, and pay close attention to 19:24. All through the OT there are instances of YHWH (LORD) speaking to YHWH (LORD) or God to God Ps 45:6-7. So having two YHWHs isn't something new for the Jews. This is just a thought for others to ponder on.

[@BeroeanPickets]

“Then Jehovah made it rain sulfur and fire on Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah-it came from Jehovah, from the heavens.” (Genesis 19:24) “God is your throne forever and ever; The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness. 7 You loved righteousness, and you hated wickedness. That is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.” (Psalm 45:6, 7)

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

If the Jews already believed that there were 2 God Beings, they wouldn't have looked at Jesus like He was crazy when He revealed to them that He was the OT God and that no one except Himself knew of the Father's existence. The Jews might have had the scriptures, but they did not believe them.

[@ticktock3526]

The ex JW who is trying to be reinstated because he believes it’s the best “false religion” he can belong to is like saying I want to belong to the best mafia family!🤔

[@exjw.believer.philippines]

The first 5 mins.of this video is mind blowing. I remember certain text when you said " radiowaves, DNA, .Things that you don't understand ,yet you and me believe it exists because Everytime I use my cp gadgets the radiowaves works. The entire video was brilliantly presented.Thanks Eric.And your explanation of Mateo 11:27 proves also that the holy Spirit is not God. Thank you

[@walkbyfaithalways7698]

I always wondered about the teaching of Trininity! Now I don't have to wonder any more. You cleared up everything so thoroughly. Thanks Again! 😊 And God Bless You! ❤🙏🏿

[@BeroeanPickets]

@Mrs Pescatarian 101--Glad it was helpful!

[@FixingMyFaithExJWtv]

Here is the Full chapter from a fictional book I wrote back in 2018. (not published yet) Please Let me know your thoughts....and I agree with you on Hovind... Chapter 16- Dawn of the Universe Ama-lya started by teaching me the ABCs of 1,2,3, by using an apple to illustrate her lesson. She explained that once a person grasps the meaning of 1-2-3, then a person can see the universe. Her first lesson started with “ONE”. She took an apple, and polished it with a towel, and as she paced back and forth in the kitchen, she began to tell the story of the ancient Druid’s belief, and it went like this. “Imagine” she says, “that in the beginning of time for our universe, the God-energy was all in this apple in my hand. God, who by the way, is neither he nor she, but God, is the Creator of ALL. With all of Gods energy in the apple, there is no other existence, no lights, no stars, no planets. God wanted to share the power and the experience one day, but to do this, He knew that the apple had to be divided internally into 2 equal pieces equal in stature and in power, but completely opposite poles of energies. To accomplish this task of giving up of self, this became the first act of LOVE ever. God soon realized that two is better than one, for if it were only God alone, then how could He alone experience, share and love these wonderful ideas and achievements? Divided in half, God could share and rejoice together with the other half, the “TWO”. They could plan, develop, and share success and failures, together. Everything is still dark in the universe, so they would work together within, designing and fabricating something wonderful together, something bright. It became evident, that to carry out their plans for a universe and other life forms, both the “One” and the “Two”, required a “Three”. They would each have to give up half of their remaining power to create the “Three”. From these three numbers, all other numbers are formed in life!” She explains by scratching these simple grade-1 equations into the sand; (1+1=2, 1+2=3, 2+2=4, 3+2+1=5, 3+3=6, 3+2+2=7, or 1+3+3=7). “Seven has multiple pathways, (3+3+2=8, 3+3+3=9), and 9 is the sum of the highest combination of 3. Ama-lya says the information is given in small doses; so, the student can absorb and build up a new understanding of life. She of course already knew that I was saturated with numbers.” She reaffirms, “all we must do is grasp the meaning behind the first three numbers, 1-2-3, and this will all become clearer, real soon, please follow along and we will share this apple together.” After a bit of a rest, she continues, “the ‘THIRD’ piece of the apple became necessary to reproduce these thoughts and designs within, so the core of the apple was built internally, and then later it was spread among the universe, the Love designed between the ‘one’ and the ‘two’ became what you and I are a part of, the ‘THREE’.” Then she breaks open the apple with the opposing force of each hand, and then the seeds, suddenly scatter throughout the room, and she laughs and sits on my lap and we both eat the apple together. She says, “I will eat the ‘one’ half and you can have the ‘two’ halve.” She explains how their way is not much different than many of the traditional beliefs; like in the bible, the holy spirit is everywhere, and it is the ‘three’ parts of the ‘one’ of God. All things come from God the ‘One’ and from there we get ‘Two’. The ‘Two’ is the first act of sharing. The ‘One’ in the beginning had all the power, but to share the power within, the ‘two’ had to be established with opposite and equal forces. So, then they both could equally push apart. This allowed them together, giving birth to the universe. These seeds were then seeded across the cosmos, and over time we became part of this unique field of living beings. Now she looks at me and says, “how did I do, did I get the saying the right way, how you were taught?” I laugh, and quickly reply, “its close enough for the girl I go out with,” and we both scurry off to make deep passionate love, in recognition of this wonderful creation from God and the first act of creation, Love. Later after we both have a short nap and then we go back to the classroom but stay in bed. Ama-lya shows me how all of creation is based on ‘THREE.’ She says, “three is the next number we will study. This number we can fully relate to, especially when ‘one’ is in an intimate relationship with ‘two’. This relationship is so special, it is set for the life of the two energies, and when these opposites combine, they have power to spread similar energies throughout the cosmos, like the seeds of the apple.” She takes my hand and shows me three places on her body that are special and were made as part of God’s love, the love that only can happen with two. This special love can give a special pleasure when together,” she shows me. Ama-lya looks at me and says, “we are both made of God’s Love, and therefore when we become human, we are made in God’s image. It is no wonder that God wanted ‘one’ to share this pleasure of Love with the opposite, ‘two’.”

[@vintage6346]

I have requested that KZbin delete your post.

[@BudgieFan101]

Perfect, as I expected. God is not like a 3in1 Washing Powder. The spirit is God's, not a second person. Jesus is God's SON, who was SENT. Thanks Eric

[@BeroeanPickets]

I sent a letter. It must be a person!

[@superlav9331]

Jesus is called God with a capital "G" multiple times in the Bible. If the Bible also says He is God, how is he not God? YAH the Father is Spirit. YAH made the world through Jesus and He is YAH only begotten Son.. If a human has a son will it not be another human so If God has a son then...? Of course Jesus became a human for us but according to John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@@superlav9331 No, Jesus is not called God with a capital "G" multiple times in the Bible. Ancient Greek has no mixed case as we do in English, so it is up to the translator, usually a Trinitarian to put a capital "G" at his discretion. This is not proof of anything. If the President of the United States has a son will he be human. Yes, of course. Well he be president? No, of course not. The angels are also called sons of God in the Bible. Are they God? You think that because Jesus existed in the form of God, he is God. You're confusing nature with being. I am human like my father, but I am not my father, nor are we both manifestations of one being

[@superlav9331]

@@BeroeanPickets (NWT) Isaiah 9:6 For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

[@superlav9331]

@@BeroeanPickets So in Isaiah 9:6 that is supposed to be a lowercase "G"? There is no debate but I do enjoy your explinations

[@christian.comedy.channel.2]

By the way my videos where I discuss Jehovah's Witness doctrine with British JW elders has now reached 1,325 videos, which I've separated on my KZbin channel by British geographical location.

I don't know much about God. But I think He is the best explanation for everything we see in the universe. And if someone knows something different, I hope (s)he will kindly tell me. Mark 12:29 Good job, brother..!! ...again!!

[@ckelly5141]

The fact that a pagan religious system tried to force a person to believe in a pagan concept of God with the penalty of death if refused to do so is a huge red flag. So ask yourself this question: from whom would such a teaching originate?

[@BeroeanPickets]

Huge red flag indeed.

[@tonyjoyce8576]

WOW, Thank you for that video, I recently left JW had been struggling with that issue , thank you , thank you , thank you very much, Tony Joyce, Dublin, Ireland. I look forward to seeing your videos, keep them coming, Thank you.

[@BeroeanPickets]

Wonderful!

[@jameshopkins7507]

Very good presentation, and you are right the need to belong is very strong. My question is where are we to find a congregation that teaches true doctrine? Are we to remain isolated believers forever?

[@BeroeanPickets]

Visit us at beroeans.net/events

[@jameshopkins7507]

Thank you! @@BeroeanPickets

[@loriwhalen2321]

Excellent video! The Holy Spirit is so important, that blasphemy against Him, is "the unforgivable sin." There are so many things in this world that Jehovah created, that are way beyond our complete compression. There are things that are mysteries, and we need to have faith. It's faith that will keep us growing in Christ, and becoming saved by the blood of our Lord Jesus. Nicodemus, asked Christ how a man can be saved, remember what Jesus told him?

[@vintage6346]

The holy spirit is neither a person nor simply a force. The trinity doctrine is a false teaching, fabricated by man, which contradicts the Bible. Believers in the trinity doctrine describe that teaching as a "mystery", when in fact, it is simply a lie and a carefully contrived false story.

[@rogerlau4932]

I always appreciate your thinking and gentle demeanor in presenting your views, and applaud your work as a former Jehovah's Witness. I am not a Jehovah's Witness, but a recovering evangelical who has JW relatives, and conversed frequently with JWs over the years. I am a trinitarian basically, but do not ascribe to many of the technicalities that Trinitarian creeds have extrapolated from the Bible (i.e., that Jesus is "begotten, not made," or that all members of the Trinity are "equal" in all the categories listed in the creeds). I try to base it all on biblical support, and specific points of Greek grammar and syntax (I studied NT Greek for three years). And, perhaps surprisingly, I'm not convinced that the Bible will always provide non-contradictory theological points. We religious people would like to believe that it does, and must, but it is the Bible that defines revelation about God. Inerrancy, trinity, predestination, premillenialism, eternal security, etc., are all human dogma, extrapolated from the Bible. We often embrace texts that support our pre-existing viewpoint, but ignore or re-interpret any text that seems to contradict it. It's as if Bible verses on a particular dogma are like dots that we connect together to complete the doctrinal "picture." The problem, is that we end up with different pictures due to different methods of connecting the dots. While I believe in the "trinity," I don't believe it is essential for saving faith. The Bible speaks of Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God, the savior of the world. Believing in his sacrificial death that atones for all our sins when we commit ourselves in faith to his lordship, and that he rose bodily from the dead, to reconcile us with the Father, is what is essential for salvation. No mention of a trinity. So……do think it's possible for two believers in Christ, who differ on the Trinity, to both be true Christians? I do. I consider you my brother in Christ. Nowhere do I find in the Bible, "By this all men will know you are my disciples, that you believe in the trinity."

[@compositioncompilation]

Good point..meekness is more important than believing we have truth..pride itself can be our enemy. Another text l meditated on was rev 7:9,10. The jubilant expression from.those experiencing gdeliverance through the great tribulation is worthy of note: It's prophecy..which is always fulfilled in its smallest detail .. There are no dissenting voices..reminding the survivors of the praise they ought to give the Holy spirit ! Then again ..nobody receiving an award at the Oscars..thanks the electricity ! No reminders..no dissent..not from any of the myriads of myriads of angelic creatures .. ! No harm done..its not a person..

[@BeroeanPickets]

Are you asking whether you can be considered a true Christian if you knowingly believe a false doctrine?

[@compositioncompilation]

@@BeroeanPickets To whom does it refer when scripture tells us God ALLOWS an operation of error to go to THEM .. and a deluding influence ? Who is it he uses to gather the nations using unclean expressions inspired by demons ?.. Is it not his own representatives ? Rev 11:5 & 6 tells us there will be ones that are badly hurt damaged..or worse..from the plagues HE authorised them to strike earth with. As part of the final temple arrangement ..no other temple or arrangement for true and acceptable worship exists all the way to the new world as promised. Rev 21:1-5. Maybe l have it wrong..

[@compositioncompilation]

@@BeroeanPickets No one knows the day or hour..Jesus said.. Yet..the GB encouraged us to look forward to particular dates..thinking or saying It was Gods Great Day .. It turns out ..it was a test To see whether our love for God ..despite that disappointment.. for those of is who got misled..was genuine.. Based on love and continued In the faith . It was after all Paul who wrote in his letter to the thessalonians .. Where he made the request that such An event should not make us leave the faith shaken nor alarmed. That was his whole intent ! Quietly aware of Jesus's earlier words..some were not unduly perturbed.. Excitement over Dates to them didn't matter.. They Put Christs words first. A valuable lesson for some was learnt.

[@austenmcmahan9250]

@@BeroeanPickets If someone believes in something they don't know that it is false.

[@paulsimpsonboatbuilder8131]

Very good, thank you. At the moment I have a trinitarian trying to convince me that it is true. I'm looking forward to the rest of your thoughts on the matter. Obviously I know it is a full teaching and have no intention of going from the frying pan into the fire

[@greenline5351]

I don't claim to be smart or totally understand the trinity but I do know in the beginning was the word and the word was with God. That's at least 2 persons before anything else was. And I imagine that the spirit of god wasn't a created thing.

[@BeroeanPickets]

Correct. Two distinct persons, not one godhead, one person/being.

[@greenline5351]

Only god is eternal and uncreated. Whoever was there before anything was god.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@@greenline5351 Correct. Since Jesus was begotten as God's son, he is a god, but not God Almighty.

[@greenline5351]

So there is more than 1 true god? Yhwh says there is none before or after. The profits were called gods because god spoke through them. Jesus was the eternal word born into flesh. That's how he is begotten

[@servantofthemosthigh6257]

Shalom, since I can't edit or add to the previous I will add an additional comment. The Set-Apart (Holy) Spirit and The Father are synonymous, Father is a Title and Spirit (unbound) is His essence (John 4:24). Shalom

[@BeroeanPickets]

@servantofthemosthigh6257 - Father represents his relationship to his children. It is not a title. We pray to our Father not to his essense (whatever that might be). "Spirit" is a catch-all term for that which we cannot see nor understand. Remember that in Greek holy spirit is really rendered the holy breath.

[@servantofthemosthigh6257]

@@BeroeanPickets Shalom, Since The Most High has a Begotten Son, He obtains the "title" Father. Since The Most High is the source of all life (including that of His Son), He obtains the "title" Father of all spirits (Hebrews 22:9) because all have spirits within. When you had offspring, you obtained the "title" Dad. So again, Father is a "Title" and one specifically reserved for The Most High (Matthew 23:9-11). The Most High has a name within the scriptures, and additionally, I know of no man ( which The Most High is not) that has the ability to be omnipresent, only The Most High unbound "Spirit" (John 4:24). Ponder, A man without a Spirit is a corpse, like Adam before having the breath (Spirit) of life imparted to Him. Even Christ alluded to the truth that spirit hath not flesh and bones as you see me have (Luke 24:39). Spirit by definition is the invisible force within an organism that brings forth life / animation. Summary: It's the story of our Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Invisible Spirit Father who chose before anything else to have a physical Son in whom He empowered to create the heavens and earth. As for your comment on the Holy Spirit: Again, Spirit / breath is a "force or energy that brings about life. As for the word holy, it means "Set-Apart for a special purpose". Thus The Holy Spirit is The Intelligent Set-Apart Force who exists throughout creation and is unfathomable to us as mortal beings to comprehend (i.e The Father) unless revealed to us by His Son (Matthew 11:27). Shalom Shalom..

[@susanlazore56]

Hey Eric, I always appreciate your dedication and effort. The Bible sets the parameters for our understanding of God. It starts with monotheism - only one God, none made before or after. He does not share His glory with another. Secondly, Jesus gave us the formula: "Baptize in the name (not "names") of the Father, Son, Spirit. So what category do you have for Jesus? Not an angel, not God, not a formed god, then what?

[@jakeroberts6274]

I think Eric teaches a form of dualism, where there’s multiple Gods. The Father God and a son God.

[@susanlazore56]

@@jakeroberts6274 Does that seem Biblical to you? "Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him." Deuteronomy 4:35 "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39 "See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me" Deuteronomy 32:39 "Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one [echad]!" Deuteronomy 6:4 "You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You" 2 Samuel 7:22 "For who is God, besides Yahweh? And who is a rock, besides our God?" 2 Samuel 22:32 "Yahweh is God; there is no one else." 1 Kings 8:60 "O Lord, there is none like You, nor is there any God besides You" 1 Chronicles 17:20 "For who is God, but Yahweh? And who is a rock, except our God" Psalm 18:31 "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10 "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6 "Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none." Isaiah 44:8 "I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5 "Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God." Isaiah 45:14 "I am Yahweh, and there is none else." Isaiah 45:18 "Is it not I, Yahweh? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me." Isaiah 45:21

[@BeroeanPickets]

Hi Susan, I'll explain the seeming paradox of God not sharing his glory with another in a future video. Matthew 28:19 is likely spurious. There is no baptism recorded in the new testament where anyone invokes all three. All baptisms are made in the name of Jesus only. At John 1:1 and Isaiah 6:9 the Bible indicates that Jesus is a god.

[@susanlazore56]

@@BeroeanPickets Hey Eric! Thank you for a response. I hope you are feeling well these days. I share your goal of not wanting to see exJW's merely shunted from one false belief system to another. As far as I understand the Matt 28:19 issue, there are only bits and pieces of Matthew's Gospel prior to the 4th century, but all full manuscripts do contain the 3 names in question. Additionally, Matt 28:19 can be found verbatim in multiple early church writings. Showing it to have been in existing circulation and familiarity, not recently made up by these authors. The Didache c.100 AD Ignatius of Antioch (ca. AD. 107-112) Epistle to the Philadelphians, and, Epistle to the Philippians Irenaeus (ca. 130-200) Against Heresies Tertullian (ca. 160-220) Prescription Against Heretics, and, On Baptism Victorinus (ca. 270-303) Commentary on the Apocalypse of the Blessed John References in the book of Acts are not the words used by the Apostles during an actual act of baptism. Rather, they indicate the authority the Apostles had to perform and proclaim the things they did. "In the name of the Lord Jesus/in His name" being the way the Apostles gave commands. Unfortunately, both sides claim John 1:1 depending on translation, so it's a Mexican stand-off to me. Isaiah 9:6 Jesus' name, EL GIBBOR - Mighty God Isaiah 10:21 "The remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God" (also EL GIBBOR, not considered a Messianic text but referring to YHWH)

[@amiinaden4132]

@@jakeroberts6274 it doesn’t matter what he teaches only the truth matters

[@user-dk4vm3rf9y]

Thank you for taking the time to reason through how the Trinity is false. That's very loving of you.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@V - You are very welcome.

[@sheilagiscombe8196]

This is the first t i heard someone explain the trinity like that, thanks

[@patrysnel1392]

Please I need advice..how do I pray..to Jehovah in the name of Jesus Christ or vice versa..to Jesus in the name of Jehovah..or directly to Jesus? Please help me..I don't know to whom to pray to...

[@BeroeanPickets]

Hi Patrys, You pray to the father, in the name of the son. Children of God do not address God by his name any more than human children address their father by his given name.

[@patrysnel1392]

Thank you so much Eric..this is a huge weight off my shoulders..never was quite sure about this.. greetings from South Africa.

[@joedaley1878]

@Patrys Nel Read Acts 4:23-31 for an example. Peter and John pray to God for boldness.

[@patrysnel1392]

Thank you so much Joe Daley..will do..appreciate all the information and help I can get..

[@melchizedekoumamakora6271]

This is just as clear as crystal. I will wait to hear how you deal with the proof texts. Thank you once again Erick

[@user-bv4sj2gq7g]

The problem most of us former JWs have is that we still deep down cling to the NWT’s faulty rendering of John 17:3 as “taking in knowledge of” God rather than “knowing” God. (Finally changed in 2013 revision.). I have decided like Paul in 1Cor. 2:2, “not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.” Christ died for my sins. I live because of him and for him. Period.

[@nancywagner8963]

Thank you so much for your ministry I have been very lonely in my search for truth n church to join, not finding one good enough which would not place my eternal salvation in jeopardy so,thanks again , I hope to find a new church for ex jw please I seek to find one,so I hope you can guide me to find n to know about baptism n what to do to please God blessed be

[@BeroeanPickets]

@Nancy Wagner --If you would like to study the Bible with our online group, you are welcome to visit. beroeans.net/events/

[@markc825]

I always enjoy the way you clearly explain things from the scriptures. Unlike the jw's who use other publications etc. Jw's are currently talking a lot about Russia and Ukraine. The pushing of the king of the north. I can't remember the scripture, I think it's in Daniel. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on this.

[@rosewhite---]

King of North was the Scythian kings in territory north of Israel. Don't worry about it as Christians can let GOD sort things out while the pagans destroy themselves.

[@BeroeanPickets]

Mark, my understanding is that this was all fulfilled in the first century.

[@markc825]

@@BeroeanPickets Yes I read up on this last night. I can see that now. Thanks

[@markc825]

@@rosewhite--- Yes I can see that now. Thanks

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@rosewhite--- Daniel is an end-time book, as Dan. 12:4,9 and other passages clearly state. The toes of the Dan. 2 statue represents the empire that will led by the final king of the north. Jesus stated in Luk. 21 that Christians are supposed to watch world events for this very reason.

[@fontybits]

If there is an EQUALITY in the trinity just now, it won't be there in the FUTURE! 1 Cor. 15:28 - "...and when all things are thus subject to him, then the Son HIMSELF will also be made SUBORDINATE to God..."(NEB)

[@vickymartin9361]

(my personal observation) The term Trinity, which does not appear in the Bible, is just a distraction. Like you so wonderfully explained, only those who are indwelled with the Holy Spirit know who God really is. We fuss over the unimportant things rather than focus on the Truth. Jesus is our only Focus. God told us, through his words that we must Believe in Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross to have Salvation. God doesn't want his children to argue over things for which he left no obvious instructions (i.e., The Trinity) to debate. Satan tries to distract us all the time, 24/7. Great video Eric.

[@vickymartin9361]

@@connor9700 You're correct. Those words do not appear in the Bible. There are no major arguments over the Attributes of God. We are talking about the concept of Trinity. There are questions for which we will never have the agreed upon answers in this lifetime. Remember John in Revelation was told not to write down certain things he heard. He was told to seal up the book. There will be unanswered questions until the end. The Gospel, which is so simple a child could understand has been adulterated by many denominations. As the Body of Christ/The Church we should all be on the same page (so-to-speak). The Trinity doctrine (so-called) has been used to sow division amongst some Christians. Jesus says"I am the way, The truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father accept through me" No matter how we view God, Trinity or not, it is clear what path we are to travel.

[@vickymartin9361]

@@HenriettaMRiley Again, as I just replied above, we are not debating current descriptive terms that may not appear in the Bible. We are talking about the (for lack of a better word) make up of God's being. The Bible was not Canonized until the 1600s. Translators, over the centuries, obviously inserted words which could be easily understood for the people at the given time.

[@vickymartin9361]

@@connor9700 Please show me where the term Trinity was first mentioned, in ancient manuscripts translated to our current Bible. Just because the "Idea" of the Trinity was taught for 1900 yrs doesn't make it true. The Catholic Church has been teaching Blasphemous doctrines for longer time than most organized religions. The office of the pope comes to mind. The Emperor Constantine convened the Nicaea Council in 325 where the Trinity concept was codified. So the idea of the Trinity doctrine was not always taught. Christians were not called Christians until Paul's Ministry came into being at Antioch. There are a lot of "Doctrines" that were introduced into the Christian Church that are not Biblically based.

[@trooperman1080]

The word "Bible" doesn't appear in the Scriptures too...Terms are given to represent Concepts the are found in the Bible..the Bible was written in Hebrews, Aramaic and Greek..not in English..no English word was ever found in the original Menuscripts but you don't fuss over that. We can not just ignore what the Bible clearly teaches for the sake of peace..the Truth will always divided from error.

[@trooperman1080]

@@connor9700 very correct...it's an essential doctrine..it's about who God truly is as He has revealed Himself in His Word.

[@aknightwhosaysni2475]

One of your best talks, I mean that sincerely.

[@LosBereanos]

Thank you, sincerely.

[@jaxson1948]

Brilliant exposition Eric!

[@ckelly5141]

God’s word is the key all right. Not anywhere else.

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

I don’t believe in a trinity, however, does the Bible refer to Jesus as God? Yes! Why? Because he was birthed or begotten by God! We are human because we were born to humans; Jesus therefore although not being “The God” he is God because he was born of “The God,” and God gave him to this world to die in our place. See John 3:16 Jesus is the divine Son of God, not created but begotten!

[@SamSam-ft3to]

Thank you Eric. Truly appreciate you for you're research and biblical understanding. Keep up the good work brother. ❤️💐🤗

[@BeroeanPickets]

@Sam Sam- Thank you so much!

[@livingbwater4770]

Thank you!!

[@josevera8847]

Mi name is Jose Vera and English is my second language. If you look in the book of Revelation 1: 1-2 " The revelation from Jesus Christ , which God gave him to show his servands what must soon take place .... " Is clear the two sentences is teaching us the hierarchy of authority ; 1) God who give Jesus the revelation. 2) Jesus who give the revelation to the angel. 3) The angel give it to John. 4)John give the revelation to the congregation. In this way l put Eric's expressions to the test. According to the Bible he is correct. Thank you Eric. Agape.

[@kellyblakeborough3371]

In your opinion what is the relationship of the father the son and the holy spirit. Do you think Jesus was part of creation

[@BeroeanPickets]

The two vidoes previous to this one explain more about the holy spirit and the Logos. Here's a link to the full playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLyyw76AUJTT0y9sIX820dQrtAIC1nbuLu

[@tonyspare2468]

Very interesting, thank you again

[@BeroeanPickets]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@kevinjackson2361]

Why would i look at an encyclopedias definition of Trinity, i know you were in the WT organization for a long time, but this is a tactic used by them. "See what it says here, these people believe what i do, so it must be true.. not a very logical move imo. I have only skimmed through all your Trinity videos, trying to watch them again, (as difficult as it is) to come up with some good questions for you from scripture. Ill be back..take care and God bless. There are many passages i could show you now, but i want to see and hear if you have covered them in other videos..before I say anymore. I will say this after listening to most of this video, a believer does not need to use the word Trinity, kind of a strawman argument, just because Tertullian coined the phrase in the second century does not make it a necessary explanation of God's nature, and not something a bible believing Christian needs to use. Simply knowing that in Isaiah 44:24, God created all things all by Himself the bible says likewise in Isaiah 48:12,13 , but yet in John 1:3 it says Jesus created ALL things. Colossians also Paul makes the same claim Colossians 1:16,18 that Jesus created all things...who is the US in Genesis 1:26? and similar verses where the writer says Let US make man in our image i could go on. But you get the point, either the bible is contradictory or the Father,Son and the Holy Spirit are the one God..and in answer to one of your questions, Phillipians 2,explains why there is the apparent lack of equality, Jesus "emptied Himself and became a servant so He could shed His blood for us . Hebrews explains it as He was made a little lower than the angels. He receives Worship, has a name that is above every name..forgives sin, is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last the beginning and the end,,all titles YHWH also applies to Himself. On and on i could go, all biblical text and never did i say Trinity

[@BeroeanPickets]

I'm not denying that "the Word" created all things, but if he is God Almighty, then all things were created "by God Almighty, for God Almighty, and through God Almighty". That last part doesn't quite work, does it? I might make something by myself, and for myself, but I can't make it through myself. "Through" indicates someone on either side. Why do you have a proble, with Jesus being a god, divine, but subservient in all things to the Father who is God Almighty? Genesis 1:26 fits nicely with this understanding. There is no contradiction here. You say that "Philippians 2:6 explains why there is the APPARENT lack of equality". APPARENT?? I see nothing apparent there. That sounds like WT interpretation. How can God Almighty give no thought to seizing (from the Greek word) equality with himself? That's nonsensical. When I stopped trying to defend the unscriptural theology of my former religion, I found the freedom of the Christ. I urge you to do the same, to stop defending false religious beliefs and study the Bible free from the bias that church leaders burdened you with so that you'd follow and support them. JW, Cathoic, Protestant, are all branches of the same tree, manmade religion.

[@kevinjackson2361]

@@BeroeanPickets Thank you for your response, I love your work in exposing JW's false teachings, and have enjoyed your in depth work and research. Not a JW but have family in, this is why I listen to many ex JW's to find things from the large exJW community to help me wake them up. I've been a Christian since the mid 80's , I'm not involved with a big name church, have attended a few non denominational churches throughout the years. I'm not 100% sure what shaped my doctrinal views, probably listening to the late Dr. Walter Martin (in the 80's before he passed), regular Bible reading and the teachings of many pastors. I won't belabor my discussion with you playing Bible ping pong with verses to change your mind, I respect your hard work and your feet are planted firmly on your belief. Although I don't agree with some of your conclusions in your Trinity research, I listened to all in the series to see if after all these years someone could change my mind. Keep up the good fight for truth and freedom in Christ Eric. God bless you Shalom

[@DoctrinesOfGrace]

There are several things that I could review in your analysis of the doctrine of the trinity and I understand that depending on how a person frames an argument we can defend or disprove a position. That is why JWs can have some success in convincing people that they are correct because they frame the argument in a way that they can defend. Same for most that call themselves Trinitarians. The sleight of hand trick as you pointed out. With that said, I see the biggest problem in your argument is you are not comparing Jesus as god to God, but you are comparing Jesus as man to God and with that type of comparison you will always disprove the trinity. Jesus is the only one that has two natures, one as God and one as man. He was 100% God before and after the incarnation, but He became 100% man. If He didn't He would not have been able to die for our sins because God can't die and God can't be tempted as we are but in order for Jesus to have authority to forgive sin He also had to be 100% God because every sin is against God. Jesus as a man had to have a God, just as we do. Jesus as a man had to rely 100% on God, just as we do. Jesus as a man could do nothing good without God, just as we can not. Jesus as God didn't die on the cross but Jesus as man did. Jesus the man laid in the tomb 3 days but Jesus as God was preaching to the spirts in prison for 3 days. You can't truly understand who God is (trinity if you want) until He reveals Himself and you have that Thomas moment when we are confronted with who we truly are before a Holy God (doubting sinners) with the true savior of the world (Jesus the God man) and we cry out "My Lord and my God!" and the Holy Spirit indwells in us... So simple that a child can understand but so difficult that learned people will argue about for overlapping generations.... I will explain in more detail in my next post.

[@hundredspins7784]

Your are 💯 right Jesus is Lord

[@blindear5303]

Man has an inherent desire to fill his spiritual need. Some people totally reject this desire and pursue other goals and some have to fill it with something. Some want the truth and some want a fanciful mystery to tickle their ears. Understanding a mystery others don’t get fulfills them. This desire is like a magnet and can attract many things. God sees us and attracts those he wants. Others are filled and go on their way. Like The Bible said if you know him you won’t be anxious over these debates. Jesus said he will be petitioned by many and he will say get away from me you workers of lawlessness I never knew you. Apparently they didn’t take in knowledge of the true God and the one he sent forth. You never knew him. Matt 7: 21 shows they really believed in what they say. But when the wheat and the weeds Christians are separated it will be what this magnet collected and stuck. We will all be responsible for ourselves.

[@compositioncompilation]

Paul said that ' men would be lovers of themselves.. making THEIR belly or THEIR OWN APPETITE..their focus.. Placing themselves in a category in possession of special knowledge..or ones able to comprehend the incomprehensible..as ones capable above the ability of lesser beings. 2 Tim.3:1-4

[@blindear5303]

@@compositioncompilation Especially puffed up with pride, special knowledge.Then there are those who have wisdom or insight spoken of in Daniel and Rev 13:18. These can calculate the number. The difference being did it puff you up with pride? You know something others don’t or are you discreet with that knowledge and not throw your pearls before swine? Wheat and weeds all look alike up until the end. God can distinguish. The trinity gives people without special wisdom a certain feeling, especially when the scriptures cry out there is no trinity.

[@compositioncompilation]

@@blindear5303 Good points well made. Pride did for awhile stamp itself on me..various inadequacies had made me a target for it. Low self esteem followed me ..so whilst preaching.. getting people who treated me rudely ..that just added to my lowly state and the reaction was to stick my nose in the air having an elevated mindset about the truths I was in possession of.. Thankfully God set about molding me.. And with new light flashing with some frequency..l had to learn the art of having a little humility ... And bit by bit..increased my love for those there was once some distance between.. God is love.. Tis a Good thing to imitate hin

[@rikki-tikki-tavi4073]

I am so sorry Eric. I meant Eric not Mark.

[@ckelly5141]

Hey Eric. Please remind me, in case I forget, to NOT let a believer or teacher in the economic trinity be my financial planner. Thanks.

[@wendywiens4209]

@ C Kelly...."Hey Eric. Please remind me, in case I forget, to NOT let a believer or teacher in the economic trinity to be my financial planner." Ha ha, love your humor!

[@ckelly5141]

@@wendywiens4209 Thank you Wendy. God bless you.

[@SpiderDiscord]

Trinitarians do believe that the three different persons in the Godhead is equal in ontology (equally powerful, eternal etc.). But - and this is very important - they do not believe that they are equal in hierarchy. A good illustration would be the queen of Denmark. Both the queen and I am equal in ontology (we both have the same value as human beings) but we don't have the same equality within the hierarchy of the nation of Denmark. The same with marriage: The man and woman becomes one - litterally one flesh - in marriage while being unequal within the hierarchy of the marriage (since the man is above the woman within the marriage hierarchal speaking). This is a very important distinction to have in mind.

[@robmullin1128]

I still believe in the trinity.

[@robmullin1128]

@@amazingbibleantiquities7221 I enjoy learning from Eric on an array of topics. You don’t necessarily have to agree with someone on everything in order to Rosen from them.

[@ramondtaylor134]

That’s because the cognitive dissonance. If you still believe in a lie one shown truth, that’s on you!

[@pearlytiger564]

@@ramondtaylor134please explain how you would rationalize John 1:1

[@SilentProphecy]

​@pearlytiger564 John 1:1 is already explained as a mistranslation. Coming from someone with friends who speak Greek as their first language, it's confirmed to be mistranslated. John 1:1 in your Bible states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." But the proper translation would be, "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was divine." Theos is the Greek word for God but also for a god and also for divine. The key to understanding the mistranslation is through the definitive articles used in it. In John 1:1a, "In the beginning was the Word" or "ho Logos". In John 1:1b, "the Word was with God" or "ho Logos" and "ton Theon". In John 1:1c, "and the Word was divine" or "kai Theos en ho Logos". Notice the lack of a definitive article attached to Theos in John 1:1c? In proper Greek, that turns Theos into an adjective. So God-like. As the man who is teaching states, when the Word is sent by God to enact the will of the Father, the Word becomes like God. A perfect example is Moses in Exodus 7. God tells Moses that He will make Moses God to Pharaoh. Moses wasn't actually God in the flesh. Now this man already covered this verse multiple times throughout his series, so I'm assuming you just haven't watched them. I'd suggest watching them all. But in the end, sometimes there's never enough evidence to change some people's minds. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force it to drink. Modern day Christianity has become like a new Pharisees. Highly subjected to Pagan influences over the years. 1600 years of enforcing lies has led much of the Church astray. Christ will correct it when he returns soon.

[@mikew158]

I grew up in the Baptist Church, until my family found the SDA when I was in Junior High School. I never even heard of the Trinity until I was 13, when I met JWs (I became best friends with a JW boy my own age.). When a cousin warned me about JWs, she told me they didn’t believe in the Trinity. My cousin had to explain the doctrine to me. I instinctively knew the JWs were right. The Trinity never made sense to me. I rejected it once I heard about it, even though I was in the Baptist Church.

[@rosewhite---]

The comments clearly show the truth of 1 Timothy: 1 Timothy 6:4,5,20 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, … 1 Timothy 1:6 Some have strayed from these ways and turned aside to empty talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert.… 2 Timothy 2:23,24 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes… So many will insist GOD is Jesus and Jesus is GOD despite numerous proofs to the contrary.

[@BeataWis]

Thank You Brother Eric🌹

[@Digidab]

Interesting Stuff!

[@constantin4792]

Sorry but by all the respect, you have no clue what you are talking about. Could you please name the mentioned people you allegedly talked about the Trinity by name? That would be very helpful, thank you.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@Constantin - I made a video with supporting scriptures. Please tell me with supporting evidence what I have "no clue" about.

[@constantin4792]

@@BeroeanPickets Thank you for not deleting this comment. I appreciate it, it's not so common this days. I have just the impression your reasoning is not based on factual terms and methods. Either biblical nor on a philosophical basis. I am not entitled to reason with you about scripture, that's why I tried to refer to scholars. So I am asking again, could you please mention the names of those who you have tried to talk about this topic? I think it is important for your viewers to know what your sources are. Thank you. Btw. Please understand that I am a bit sceptical when it comes to explaining the scripture from someone with a jw background. You guys where and are wrong about many basic christian teaching all the way down to rejecting Christ's resurrection in the flesh and the refusing of communion. I don't think it's wise to jump to ad hoc conclusions about the Trinity either. Take your time, ask someone competent. I guess you putted yourself already a lot of guilt by teaching for years falsehoods about Christ as an executive JW elder.

[@Expressobean]

I never believed in the Trinity. I left the JW Cult and started investing the Bible myself. I have listened to some speak of the Trinity and they speak with love and passion but it's hard to follow. I think it would have been said in the Bible if Jesus was God, why would it be so confusing to us who are searching for God's truth in the Bible.

[@CarlisleAfrica]

But scripture does refer to Jesus as God - John 1v1; Isaiah 9v6; Matthew 1v23

[@Expressobean]

Thank you, I never read these scriptures. Lol - yes I have.😁 Don't be mad, we all read and understand the Bible in our own way.

[@CarlisleAfrica]

@@Expressobean no need for me to be mad - it's a pleasure to point to what scripture says as it affirms one's belief and understanding. So my encouragement is let the word of Christ dwell richly in your heart (Col3v16) and experince the depth of God's heart.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@Carlisle Africa, No it does not. It refers to him as god, not God. In English, we have taken the title "god" and converted into a proper noun, so that it has become essentially a name. Jesus as a god and YHWH is also a god, but in the absolute and infinitee sense, only YHWH is THE GOD.

[@bobthompson8021]

@@CarlisleAfrica Yes, Titus 2:13, and sadly, this verse is mis-translated in the NWT. The verse is referring to “the great God and Savior of us Christ Jesus” (Greek interlinear), not “the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ” NWT.

[@ProselyteofYah]

Good to see another video Eric. I can share some recent research with you on the subject as well. I recently discovered that the Trinity also has connections to Kabbalism (Jewish occultism, which began during or just after the Babylonian exile). A Catholic friend of mine tried to prove the Trinity was a "Jewish concept" and that they always believed in it, but his sources took me to ancient letters which speak of Plato and Aristotle, who had interactions with Hellenised Jews, who had also, according to Aristotle, adopted Indian religious/esoteric practices, and believed all scripture had "hidden esoteric meanings in them". These Jews called it "Mysticism" (because "magic" was illegal in Israel of course). These practices and philosophies, later influenced Greek thought when the Hellenisation occurred, which in turn were passed down to the Gnostics. So by the time of the 2nd century, when Hellenised Jews, Kabbalist Jews, and Greeks converted to Christianity, they took with them their esoteric scriptural traditions, which lead into their paganised concepts of the logos-mind, and the 3 in 1. Today, the Catholic church calls the Trinity "mystery", because they themselves admit, it comes from their branch of "Christian mysticism", which goes back to Jewish Mysticism (Kabbalah, aka occultism).

[@vintage6346]

It's probably more complicated for you to share that research then to just "share a link", but I'm interested in what you've found. The trinity doctrine is such a crazy, illogical teaching that Satan and his demons are the logical source.

[@BeroeanPickets]

Thank you, Proselytiser of Yah. That is most helpful. I'm working on a book on the Trinity with Jim Penton. Could you send me your research? It would be a great help in producing the book. My email is [e-mail].

[@carolwrinkles6204]

@@vintage6346 Very true. It certainly didn’t come from God. He is a god of order not confusion. 😆

[@rosewhite---]

Actually Catholic church originates with Simon Magus the magician and sorcerer from Babylon. He wanted to make money from working miracles. Catholics got massively rich from claiming dead went to purgatory but could be released on payment. He was the counterfeit church Paul warned about.

[@carolwrinkles6204]

@@rosewhite--- wow! That is very interesting! And I’m not all that shocked. With Constantine helping form the Trinity and empowering the Catholic Church I am not surprised.

[@butziporsche8646]

Thank you Eric.

[@elainroles7217]

I'll lay it out. Is GOD not capable? This may seem juvenile to say, but I think we try to make it harder than is. Are these three separate personalities one or GOD with three personalities? H2O, solid, liquid, gas, at the end of the day they are still H2O. Silly I know. If you can't understand it in some way it doesn't mean it is true or false only that it is possible. I'm sure GOD will forgive us for our lack of understanding. Thanks for trying though.❤

[@BeroeanVoices]

Your H2O illustration falls short of proof. An illustration or example is meant to help us understand a truth already established and proven, but since no proof exists for the trinity, they think that illustrating their fallacy serves as proof. It does not.

[@elainroles7217]

@@BeroeanVoices Yet you feel it is a fallacy? That 's OK too. No need to reply, we all get it.

[@flostep9887]

God's Word is Truth Trinity doctrine not scriptural...

[@romankolyuka8153]

For everybody: ladies and gentlemen, I advise you to read the works of Church Fathers about the Saint Trinity.

[@BeroeanPickets]

Particularly the church fathers in the first and second centuries so that you can see they didn't believe the Trinity.

[@romankolyuka8153]

@@BeroeanPickets Read all Church Fathers! The Holy Tradition didn't stop in the second century!

[@BeroeanPickets]

@@romankolyuka8153 So true. Once the antichrist became dominant, false teachings took over. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7For the [d]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only [e]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Th 2:7-12 NKJB)

[@58divagirl]

Eric your scenario is priceless!!

[@charlesmatam8693]

I hope you are fully comprehensive of all the Scriptures

[@haroldmcbroom7807]

Friend, one should not build their faith around what they don't understand, that one should say, "I believe this, because I don't believe that!". I build my own faith on the things "which are" within God's Word, and not the things within God's Word that are not for me to understand. God gives us each day our "daily bread", but He gives us what we NEED, and not necessarily everything our eyes take in. Understanding comes from God, and not by the flesh. I will provide you with the Scriptures below: WE ARE NOT BORN WITH SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING, FOR NO FLESH WILL INHERIT GOD'S KINGDOM *Proverbs 4:5 (nkjv)* _5 Get wisdom! Get understanding!_ _Do not forget, nor turn away from the words of my mouth._ Where do we get wisdom and understanding? UNDERSTANDING COMES FROM GOD *Proverbs 2:6-8 (nkjv)* _6 For the Lord gives wisdom;_ _From His mouth come knowledge and understanding;_ *Proverbs 9:10 (nkjv)* _10 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom,_ _And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding._ IN THESE LAST DAYS, GOD SPEAKS THROUGH HIS SON AND NOT THROUGH PROPHETS *Hebrews 1:1-4 (nkjv)* _1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,_ _2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;_ GOD HAS DECLARED ALL THINGS FROM BEGINNING TO END WITHIN HIS WORD *Isaiah 46:9-10 (nkjv)* _9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,_ _10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:_ THOUGH GOD HAS DECLARED IT, NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THESE THINGS FROM BEGINNING TO END *Ecclesiastes **3:11** (nkjv)* _11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end._ Therefore no one understands God's Word from Genesis to Revelation because God's Word works within whom believe, to give us what His Word discerns that we need individually. GOD'S WORD IS NOT JUST A BOOK HAVING HISTORIC AND POETIC VALUE AT MOST. IT IS LIVING AND DISCERNING. *Hebrews 4:12 (nkjv)* _12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart._ GOD'S WORD WORKS EFFECTIVELY WITHIN THOSE WHO BELIEVE *1 Thessalonians 2:13 (nkjv)* _13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe._ Do not be distressed over the things you do not understand, so long as you believe in Jesus Christ, that He is Lord, that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved, and that you are not living in sin while professing to be free from those sins God tells us not to do. *Romans 10:9-10 (kjv)* _9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved._ _10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation._ CONCLUSION For those that do not understand the Trinity, or the Rapture, it's alright, because Christ remains faithful. *2 Timothy 2:13 (nkjv)* _13 If we are faithless,_ _He remains faithful;_ _He cannot deny Himself._ ...so whether you believe the rapture will come before or after, whether you understand it or not, God's Word will be fulfilled with your life if you truly believe. It's a humorous thought that someone who does not understand the rapture will be raptured regardless, whether they like it or not, sorry to disappoint those that want to stick around. I say this with a smile on my face, and not to offend.

[@Sirach144]

👉And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3 👉yet for us there is ONE GOD, THE FATHER from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 1 Corinthians 8:6 👉 For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. 1 Timothy 2:5‭-‬6 👉For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9‭-‬10 ASV 👉and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s. 1 Corinthians 3:23 ASV 👉Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.'" John 20:17 👉 the same came unto him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that thou doest, except God be with him. John 3:2 ASV 👉 And Jesus advanced in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. Luke 2:52 ASV 👉 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell. Ephesians 5:2 ASV 👉 For Christ entered not into a holy place made with hands, like in pattern to the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us: Hebrews 9:24 ASV 👉and has made us to be a kingdom and priests TO SERVE HIS GOD AND FATHER--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Rev 1:6 👉Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--EXCEPT GOD ALONE. Luke 18:19 👉For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; John 5:26 How is God granted to have life in himself? "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 👉Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,👈hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:15 👉The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus👈; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. Acts 3:13 ASV 👉 to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen. Romans 16:27 ASV 👉to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen. Jude 1:25 👉one Lord, one faith, one baptism, ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all. Ephesians 4:5‭-‬6 ASV 👉For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and TRUE GOD, and to wait for HIS SON from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9‭-‬10 ASV 👉 that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; Ephesians 1:17 ASV Loo 👉 "Let not your heart be troubled: BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE ALSO IN ME. John 14:1 👉He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD, and mine own new name. Revelation 3:12 ASV 👉 And one of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together, and knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, What commandment is the first of all? Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Of a truth, Teacher, thou hast well said that HE is one; and there is none other but HE: and to love HIM with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is much more than all whole burnt-offerings and sacrifices. Mark 12:28‭-‬33 ASV 👉 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof. Revelation 21:22 ASV 👉 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God unto you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as ye yourselves know; him, being delivered up by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay: whom God raised up, having loosed the pangs of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. Acts 2:22‭-‬24 ASV 👉that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; having the eyes of your heart enlightened, that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, and what the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, Ephesians 1:17‭-‬20 ASV 👉Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified. Acts 2:36 ASV 👉Now when Jesus came into the parts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? And they said, Some say John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But who say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 16:13‭-‬17 ASV ⁸👉 (Speaking about Yahweh): “And now the LORD says, he who formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob back to him; and that Israel might be gathered to him - for I [the Messiah] am honored in the eyes of the LORD [Yahweh], and my God has become my strength - he says: ‘It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel; I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.'” 👉 Micah 5:4 - And he [the Messiah] shall stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD [Yahweh] his God. And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great to the ends of the earth. 👉even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. Acts 10:38 ASV 👉 For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4 ASV 👉to all that are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is proclaimed throughout the whole world. Romans 1:7‭-‬8 ASV 👉 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, who receive glory one of another, and the glory that cometh from the only God ye seek not? John 5:43‭-‬44 ASV 👉 For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9‭-‬10 ASV 👉Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:24 ASV 👉I charge thee in the sight of God, and Christ Jesus, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing by partiality. 1 Timothy 5:21 ASV 👉to all that are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 1:7 ASV 👉that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 15:6 ASV

[@trooperman1080]

Copy and pasting again...all these verses do not disprove the Trinity

[@haroldmcbroom7807]

@@trooperman1080 You should read the comment before you respond. It wasn't my intention to persuade him that the Trinity is real. The scriptures are in RELATION to the titles above them, and not to the Trinity.

[@jimkofron8638]

I set out to read the entire (well most) of the bible without any blinders on. I don't see how any individual could come to any conclusion other than a father son relationship.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@Jim Kofron- That is the result of your being led by the Holy Spirit.

[@bobthompson8021]

The trinity does not dispute this.

[@akatheheretic3014]

PRECISELY❗ 😉👌

[@vintage6346]

@@bobthompson8021, The trinity is a false teaching, not a person. False teachings don't have "disputes".

[@CarlisleAfrica]

@@vintage6346 some dispute Jesus is saviour / messiah - Does that also constitute a false teaching?

[@Doctor1933]

That is true brother their is no end to Father I know this God shown me already

[@Sirach144]

👉And this is eternal life, that they may know YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. John 17:3 👉yet for us there is ONE GOD, THE FATHER from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 1 Corinthians 8:6 👉 For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. 1 Timothy 2:5‭-‬6 👉For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9‭-‬10 ASV 👉and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s. 1 Corinthians 3:23 ASV 👉Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.'" John 20:17 👉 the same came unto him by night, and said to him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that thou doest, except God be with him. John 3:2 ASV 👉 And Jesus advanced in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. Luke 2:52 ASV 👉 and walk in love, even as Christ also loved you, and gave himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for an odor of a sweet smell. Ephesians 5:2 ASV 👉 For Christ entered not into a holy place made with hands, like in pattern to the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us: Hebrews 9:24 ASV 👉and has made us to be a kingdom and priests TO SERVE HIS GOD AND FATHER--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Rev 1:6 👉Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--EXCEPT GOD ALONE. Luke 18:19 👉For just as the Father has life in Himself, so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; John 5:26 How is God granted to have life in himself? "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, 👉Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,👈hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:15 👉The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus👈; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him. Acts 3:13 ASV 👉 to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory for ever. Amen. Romans 16:27 ASV 👉to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and power, before all time, and now, and for evermore. Amen. Jude 1:25 👉one Lord, one faith, one baptism, ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all. Ephesians 4:5‭-‬6 ASV 👉For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and TRUE GOD, and to wait for HIS SON from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9‭-‬10 ASV 👉 that THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; Ephesians 1:17 ASV Loo 👉 "Let not your heart be troubled: BELIEVE IN GOD, BELIEVE ALSO IN ME. John 14:1 👉He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of MY GOD, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of MY GOD, and the name of the city of MY GOD, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from MY GOD, and mine own new name. Revelation 3:12 ASV 👉 And one of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together, and knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, What commandment is the first of all? Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength. The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Of a truth, Teacher, thou hast well said that HE is one; and there is none other but HE: and to love HIM with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is much more than all whole burnt-offerings and sacrifices. Mark 12:28‭-‬33 ASV 👉 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof. Revelation 21:22 ASV 👉 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God unto you by mighty works and wonders and signs which God did by him in the midst of you, even as ye yourselves know; him, being delivered up by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay: whom God raised up, having loosed the pangs of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. Acts 2:22‭-‬24 ASV 👉that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him; having the eyes of your heart enlightened, that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, and what the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places, Ephesians 1:17‭-‬20 ASV 👉Let all the house of Israel therefore know assuredly, that God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified. Acts 2:36 ASV 👉Now when Jesus came into the parts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Who do men say that the Son of man is? And they said, Some say John the Baptist; some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But who say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father who is in heaven. Matthew 16:13‭-‬17 ASV ⁸👉 (Speaking about Yahweh): “And now the LORD says, he who formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob back to him; and that Israel might be gathered to him - for I [the Messiah] am honored in the eyes of the LORD [Yahweh], and my God has become my strength - he says: ‘It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel; I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.'” 👉 Micah 5:4 - And he [the Messiah] shall stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD [Yahweh] his God. And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great to the ends of the earth. 👉even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. Acts 10:38 ASV 👉 For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4 ASV 👉to all that are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is proclaimed throughout the whole world. Romans 1:7‭-‬8 ASV 👉 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can ye believe, who receive glory one of another, and the glory that cometh from the only God ye seek not? John 5:43‭-‬44 ASV 👉 For they themselves report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, who delivereth us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 1:9‭-‬10 ASV 👉Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power. 1 Corinthians 15:24 ASV 👉I charge thee in the sight of God, and Christ Jesus, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing by partiality. 1 Timothy 5:21 ASV 👉to all that are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 1:7 ASV 👉that with one accord ye may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 15:6 ASV

[@BeroeanPickets]

The tragic irony is that an avowed trinitarian will look at this mountain of evidence proving the Father and Son are not equal in any way, and say: "See! Proof of the Trinity."

[@Sirach144]

@@BeroeanPickets they have to try to redefine words. One doesn't really mean one but a three in one. Begotten doesn't really mean begotten but just means unique. That one it says that the father is the only true God it doesn't really mean that. Or they try to reduce it to where Jesus said this as a man so that he's speaking out of two sides of his mouth.

[@hillsongbest3818]

Unless one doesn't believe in the infallibility of the bible, then Jesus isn't God . Chapter John says very clearly , the Word was with God, the Word is God. Jesus is God.

[@hillsongbest3818]

@@amazingbibleantiquities7221 yeah, if it wasn't God in the flesh died for humans, no hope of salvation . Perhaps Eric still believes Jesus is an angel ,like the jw teaching .

[@BeroeanPickets]

Tell me, Mark. Do you accept that an ambiguous verse cannot serve as proof on its own?

[@alphonsofrett2757]

Please pardon me I would say the trinity is of God. Because we see all 3 members one page 1! In the first paragraph we see the Father the son and the "holy Spirit" mighty wind.

[@BeroeanPickets]

You're making a joke, right? Though, surprisingly enough--or perhaps not so surprising which is really sad to say--there are some people who would accept this logic. Of course if such foolish reasoning were valid, we'd have to accept that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be three persons in one being when they get to heaven because Jesus said: "But I tell you that many from east and west will come and recline at the table with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of the heavens;” (Matthew 8:11)

[@CarlisleAfrica]

Only God can be Who and Whom He wants to be - and fullfill the role of God the way He wants to, without us dictating to Him. Idolatry is the definition of such dictation. We know He cant be darkness - deception - confusion etc He can be Father, Son and Holy Spirit and that is all recorded in Scripture not sucked out of a thumb. John 1v1; Isaiah 9v6; Rom 10v5 ; 2 Cor 3v17 and much more

[@martinvanderleek583]

Most ExJW`s when they went to Christ as saviour are moving to "Dispensational Theology" here in The Netherlands and they have the same Explanation of the 'god being' as you explain in your video mr. Vivlon. a did a 'bible study' with JW`s from 2005 to 2009 but i wasn`t able to understand the 1914 teachings with scriptures of the Daniel 'other' fullfilments about the chopped tree...... Your video`s are clear and clarifying and helped me to understand the bible a little better (sorry for my bad English)

[@BeroeanPickets]

Your English is a lot better than my Dutch. 🤣

[@kamelody7285]

I've been in church stuff since I was 12 and I'm 50. Catholic, evangelist, self teaching, gnostic, and then studied with the Witnesses. Went to meetings, they were impressed by how smart I was whenit comesto Bible stuff.. I was involved with the J.W.s for years. Never went out in the field and never was baptized , I was more like studying the Witnesses organization than anything else. I do appreciate the fact that I clearly found THE TRUTH with them. I got to the conclusion that they are guided by jehova .nonetheless...some things like the 1914 generation stuff, and some others flaw I found in prophecies were enough for me to step away and keep my self-teaching method. I learned a lot with the J.w. can't lie. Just I didn't agree with some of the government body stuff and behavior. But let's be honest here. .when Moses went to the mountain to get the 10th commands . The people he left in charge got corrupted, are we going to say they were not God's people anymore justbecauseof it ? No. When Moses committed an act that God didn't approved before they crossed the promised land, .did they stop from being God's nation ? No. jehova just selected someone else in Moses place . ( Joshua) my point is.....I'm against the Government body .not against Jehova and the J.W.s I do think they're God's people and the truth religión. My years and years of Bible experience since 12 years old are enough to understand that . It's either....let's jump from the Bus. Or wait until the Bus driver get replaced .but you can't deny they're God's people. Sooner or later we'll have to sit .meditate and take action.. I haven't done it so. But hey....it doesn't mean I haven't thought about what I'm expressing here either

[@BeroeanPickets]

You make some interesting points, Kamelody 23. But are you taking the comparison with Israel to its logical conclusion? Let's start with Moses. Jehovah was ready to destroy the nation right then because they built the golden calf. Jehovah now said to Moses: “Go, descend, because your people, whom you led up out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves. 8 They have quickly deviated from the way I commanded them to go. They have made for themselves a statue of a calf, and they keep bowing down to it and sacrificing to it and saying, ‘This is your God, O Israel, who led you up out of the land of Egypt.’” 9 Jehovah went on to say to Moses: “I have seen that this is an obstinate people. 10 So now let me be, and I will exterminate them in my burning anger, and let me make a great nation from you instead.” He spared them because Moses implored him to, but those that sided with Moses opposers were destroyed, and as things turned out, everyone over 20 died in the desert because of unfaithfulness and didn't enter into the promised land. Then after sending many prophets (which they killed) to warn them, God sent them his Son, whom they also killed (Matthew 21:33-41; 23:33-39). As a result, he destroyed the entire nation in 70 C.E. Only individuals, who rejected the ways of the nation and put faith in God and stood up to the reproach of their fellows, were spared. Jehovah's Witnesses have found many of the truths in Scripture, but have poisoned their message with false teachings of men. In this, they are no different from other organized religion. One day, organized religion will be done away with as prophesied in Revelation 18. No religion will be spared, but true worshippers (individuals out of all of Christendom) like those first century Christians will escape (1 Corinthians 15:50-57).

[@kamelody7285]

@@BeroeanPickets I disagree, it doesn't matter the reason why the people in charge committed was disciplined by jehova or the reason the people in charge was influenced by Satan, the truth is ......God people ..God Nation...DO NOT STOP FROM BEING GOD'S NATION just because the people in charge of the congregation get manipulated by Satan or are in some way influenced by Satan. Take the Israel Nation as a example. How many kings did stuff against God's principles and became corrupted. Did Israel stop from being God's nation just because of that ? All Jehova had to do was substitute those in charge. Period. And he did so. Answer Me this question: are we living in the last days of this cruel, corrupted and inmoral world ? Even people who doesn't even study the Bible can agree that this world scenes are so terrible in all sense of the word , that people live in fear as soon as we wake up in the morning, you have read the Bible. You ....and I don't know you. But my intuition and knowledge tells me you're a very smart and very knowledgeable about the holy scriptures. So you have to understand that we're living in a critical moment in humanity, in the last days of this world system and Satan's reign. So. Knowing all of this....do you really believe Jehovah is not going to have a true religion, a true spiritual arc for his beloved slaves ? I DOUBT IT

[@BeroeanPickets]

@@kamelody7285 I will answer your question, but first I need to address a problem with your premise. Yes, Israel, even when rebelling against Jehovah, even when worshipping false gods, continued to be his nation. Jesus told the Jews that because of their conduct "the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits." (Matthew 21:43) Your premise--if I'm reading you correctly--is that God's nation today is the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. However, they only came into existence in 1931. The nation producing fruits which was granted the Kingdom of God was the Christian congregation of the first century. Like Israel, that Christian congregation when apostate, but there remained faithful men throughout history. (Romans 11:4) . . .Yet, what does the divine pronouncement say to him? “I have left for myself 7,000 men who have not bent the knee to Baʹal.” So all of Christendom is the modern-day equivalent to apostate Israel, but there are some who will be saved. Consider the parable of the Wheat and Weeds. Even the Angels couldn't be trusted to distinguish them one from another until harvest time.

[@Stan_144]

We can look at our universe as a computer, but very different from the ones we created. Our computers need a specific program to run. Universe on the other hand has clever laws of physics acting as a base computational algo and that allows interesting things emerging from that computation. The most interesting thing emerging is the life itself. One could argue God put his mark into creation of these clever laws of physics that allow emergence of intelligent life. You don't have to assume God is constantly intervening into our universe and micro managing it.

[@marksalmon5822]

Thank you.

[@danielcallahan7083]

So if you don’t see evidence for God, it is God not revealing himself? Honest question.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@Daniel Callahan - The Scripture at Romans 1:20 points out that the evidence for God is creation: "For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God." But God reveals himself to his chosen ones by means of his Holy Spirit through Christ Jesus (having faith in Jesus Christ): "No one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us." (1 Corinthians 2:11,12)

[@MarilynNemeth]

Enjoyed.

[@michellecollins290]

Going off track a little from this subject do you not believe that these are end times that we live in? Also Jesus in my mind is the human channel to The Father. He is part of the whole, but not equal to The Father. These being the end times seems obvious to me. But I am very aware that I am new to all of this and learning more each day. Thanks for all you do Eric.

[@BeroeanPickets]

All I can say for sure is that according to Matthew 24:42-44, Jesus is coming like a thief.

[@jorgealam8632]

I think there is biblical proof for the Trinity. Although it is difficult to overcome the paradigms from JWs, because it is not only intelectual but spiritual . But God can renew our understanding. We shouldn't expect the nature of God to be clear in the OT, since Jesus wasn't there already. We get it better from the NT. God bless.

[@1menwolfpack550]

I aploued you brother for all the hard work you do! I can't stress enough to say that our Father has reveal himself through our Lord Jesus Christ to he's children. I know you have touch this topic but it seems that many of our fellow JWs leaving the organization are again slaving themselves to the Jewish laws and festivities. Even though we are not bound to obey the law nor it's prohibited as Christians we are free from it. It will be nice to make a video about it.

[@BeroeanPickets]

Coming soon. 😀

[@1menwolfpack550]

@@BeroeanPickets is there an email you can be reached at?

[@Rick_Alden]

To me, the strongest argument against the Trinity is the fact that Stephanus, before dying, had a vision of Heaven where he saw only the Father and the Son but no 'Holy Ghost'. Usually 'seeing is believing' but this argument will not convince a hardcore trinitarian.

[@jeffeeeeeee]

But the Holy Spirit was there,Acts7:55 "But Stephen, *full of the Holy Spirit* looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God."

[@ryandionisio4137]

The Holy Spirit is on earth that time, as Jesus said the Helper will come after Him.

[@KillTheEgo1223]

It always fascinated me how they try so hard to make sense of something that makes no sense. Great job Eric for showing the facts and showing how silly the teaching is. Agape

[@BeroeanPickets]

@KillTheEgo - Glad you enjoyed it! The trinity is truly a silly teaching indeed.

[@fredericoramone7924]

I feel very confused. Are you like me? Only confused too by the beliefs of our previous religion and point of you?

[@fredericoramone7924]

Point of view*

[@BeroeanPickets]

No need to feel confused. Just ignore what you were taught, and go with what Scripture says.

[@elikSW15]

Super Eryku!!! Trzeba walczyć o każdy centymetr kwadratowy prawdy. A tutaj coś znacznie więcej.Tu chodzi o osobę Naszego Ojca i Jego Syna. Nigdy nie ugnę się bo wiem czego o Bogu uczy Jego Słowo. Wciśnięto siłą tą fałszywą naukę i zepsuto prawdę o Bogu , straszliwie zepsuto. A jaki duch stoi za tą nauką?? To trynitarze zabijali tych którzy nie chcieli zgodzić się z nimi. I to są owoce ich przekonań.

[@BeroeanPickets]

@Elżbieta You speak the truth!