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@Excelblem2 жыл бұрын
the video probably has some mistakes but please excuse them because conquest's story itself is the biggest mistake of all At the pause at 1:49 I accidentally deleted a clip, I say something along the lines of "In chapter 9 Corrin invades Fort Dragonfall and fights some Hoshidan Soldiers" not gonna re-render and reupload just for that I'm too tired for that
@whitefri2z2 жыл бұрын
Conquest's story had potential. I'm sure if the story wasn't cut from 700+ pages to a post-it, the story might have been a great one.
@TheAxeLord479112 жыл бұрын
@@whitefri2z It's actually probably around at _least_ 1,500-ish pages. Shin Kibayashi wrote 500 pages of script for Birthright _alone,_ and wrote an "equal amount" for Conquest and Revelation - thus, totaling around 1,500. Fates had so much ludicrous potential that it's criminal Nintendo didn't give them more time. It'll still have a dear place in my heart, though - and makes me very hopeful for a remake.
@boredomisinfinity56422 жыл бұрын
when takumi jumps off the wall you didn't count it as a suicide despite him stating at the end that he died during that scenario,
@zenronez11582 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about He murdered friendly neighborhood furys in cold blood That's at least 1% of the fury population What about paralogues there's no way nameless or a face plastered on a class count as non deaths
@viviblue72772 жыл бұрын
Probably should have put suicide loophole on ch23 when Takumi jumps to probably death.
@quinin022 жыл бұрын
This becomes even more confusing when you consider that Corrin becomes bloodthirsty in the Kana paralogue, even saying that she will soak the fields with the blood of her enemies. What a peaceful lass.
@s.e.111films32 жыл бұрын
Note: Do not threaten Corrin chil’.
@Edagui972 жыл бұрын
Nah, waging war for the sake of your kid is totally understandable even from a pacifist viewpoint. I'd say that was the only moment when he was truly human character instead of a pansy chimpanzee.
@Excelblem2 жыл бұрын
most paralogues are against valite soldiers which don't really count because they're more like ghosts
@tavianroberts44232 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that they’re valite soldiers, they don’t even bleed.
@bomb15152 жыл бұрын
To be a little fair, all bets were off when the Valite soldiers were invading Kana's pocket dimension Edit: I've recently S supported Peri in a Conquest file. I get to bonding and all she says is "Your body count is as high as mine!" Now I have more questions.
@sliceofpi27682 жыл бұрын
Chad Leo doesn't care and kills everyone in Corrin's stead
@moon42362 жыл бұрын
Corrin the rest of the game: kills barely anyone/doesn't kill Corrin in chapter 19: commits genocide
@fubu722 жыл бұрын
it's a fine line i know it myself
@darko74322 жыл бұрын
This is a certified Heron classic.
@brozomicki-sothe3072 жыл бұрын
Bruh what about every playable units? Almost everyone died.
@monchete99342 жыл бұрын
And it has to be against the explicit kemonomimis. So of course Corrin had some Tellius influence there
@DiogoJ1 Жыл бұрын
It can't be called genocide if he's attacked first.
@ralphismyname49402 жыл бұрын
It is amazing that the only time corrin explicitly HAS to actually kill someone (given Garon and Takumi don't count since they already are dead) is the fucking furry map
@GreatSikoTM2 жыл бұрын
Good. Furries are the bane of society
@appelofdoom82112 жыл бұрын
Honestly doing the same thing to the werewolf furries in birthright makes more sense since they actually eat people.
@arciere55112 жыл бұрын
@@GreatSikoTM W-wait...
@ctpp64 Жыл бұрын
so that's what intelligent systems think of me...
@paperluigi61322 ай бұрын
@@appelofdoom8211except the Wolfskin were actually willing to let us pass peacefully until Iago sabotaged us.
@RubænCaptor2 жыл бұрын
Corrin: But Leo, I don't want to kill anyone, that's bad. Leo: What about the foxes? Corrin:FUCK THOSE FOXES!
@graemetang41732 жыл бұрын
Corrin actually from Begnion confirmed
@fubu722 жыл бұрын
A skilled Corrin can kill any Fox
@BrutusAlbion2 жыл бұрын
Were-foxes have no souls similar to furries in real life. It is merely wild life management if one kills one. For furries though it is simply keeping the human species pure from contamination.
@Dr.Hypo1012 жыл бұрын
@@BrutusAlbion you watched furry apocalypse and side with the crusaders didn't you Lmao?
@BrutusAlbion2 жыл бұрын
@@Dr.Hypo101 Men of culture such as us understand these difficult matters.
@Greenbeary9992 жыл бұрын
If I had a nickel for every time Corrin’s purity is preserved by suicide I would have two nickels, which isn’t a lot its just weird that it happens twice.
@The_Somewhere_Monarch2 жыл бұрын
Three if you count Takumi who thought being killed by Nohrians to be a massive insult to his honor.
@1stCallipostle2 жыл бұрын
Honestly Ryoma's death was kinda a waste If the MF would just listen He wouldn't have felt the need nor would Corrin have had to do it per se Dude is just stubborn as hell
@sadagusfate Жыл бұрын
@@The_Somewhere_Monarch Tbf he was already dead before he jumped, him bursting with purple energy is meant to show us his possession being complete, and we know from garon that it's the equivalent of being killed
@joelkilchoer42382 жыл бұрын
See this could have been a character moment. Corrin, having grown up completely sheltered, orders his troops to fight nonlethally… and gets his shit kicked in and a ton of them killed. That could be the start Corrin slowly growing cold and pragmatic in Conquest until they realize that they’re about to order a bunch of civilians executed, like Hans or Iago. They could have had an actual character arc.
@DekuOfPower2 жыл бұрын
Nope can't have that. No war crimes in our Fire Emblem game. Absolutely zero. Don't think about it.
@saintekweena7952 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea, it would have made Corrin a character with a nice evolution and would have made Conquest's story good and not some lie like the marketing stated
@appsmasher79322 жыл бұрын
Don’t be silly. Fire Emblem doesn’t have character development.
@moon42362 жыл бұрын
That's great, you could even have the moment where they are about to kill some civilians be a choice and the dialogue and even Corrin's own development could change depending on your choice.
@BurningFyre2 жыл бұрын
But that requires having the protagonist be a character.
@givecamichips2 жыл бұрын
Shoutouts to Azura-Corrin supports. In C, Corrin explicitly says he's killed multiple Hoshidan soldiers (so not counting the Ganglari explosion), and in the B support he ends a man's life on screen.
@anothermilkshake2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why killing Shura is even an option lol. Corrin won't kill enemy soldiers but will murder Shura for no strategic gain at all and a pair of boots.
@RubænCaptor2 жыл бұрын
But those are high quality boots tho
@scrapyarddragon2 жыл бұрын
>no strategic gain >pair of boots you JUST contradicted yourself
@mathmatticool2 жыл бұрын
They should’ve not included the option and have him give you the boots as thanks for letting him live. Then, instead of Corrin wiping Mokushu out for keeping Hoshidan POW, have Kotaro recognize Shura among their ranks and attack Corrin’s army for that.
@appelofdoom82112 жыл бұрын
@@mathmatticool or if they wanted to keep the playable character vs boots choice just have it be a choice between releasing Shura (maybe have Leo recruit him as a spy or something) or forcing him to work for you directly.
@hornetsilksong Жыл бұрын
Hans, the psychopathic mass murderer: *exists* Corrin: "nah" A rando thief: Corrin: "My lust for murder cannot be contained."
@aarotron21892 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in awakening Chrom: its sad but our only choice is to kill or die Robin: yes
@SorenToKeiran-Murasaki2 жыл бұрын
Corrin: fuck those foxes. Robin: fuck those warships.
@WakkaMadeInYevon Жыл бұрын
@@SorenToKeiran-Murasaki those warships had families!
@vanishingumbreon76152 жыл бұрын
You can spare Shura You can argue that the real Garon and Takumi are dead before Corrin puts down the monsters possessing their bodies. So basically, Corrin hates furries in general and Kaden in particular
@IronicHavoc2 жыл бұрын
You *can* spare Shura. Technically you ca also choose not do the Conquest route at all. The point is that by choosing those routes it creates weird tonal inconsistencies (moreso with the former). And really even assuming there were no red squares, the main takeaway seems to be the massive amount of yellow squares indicating the story gets increasingly contrived to make Corrin not a killer.
@anzyroadside23742 жыл бұрын
This sounds like a distorted story that was manipulated by the winner of the war. Corrin surely became a supreme dictator and wrote history into this nonsensical mess of a series of events. Makes you wonder what really happened during the war. My head canon is that Azura became a traitor later on and that's why Corrin made her "disappear". Also, the $20 dlc is nothing but Corrin's guilty conscience making up a what-if story. Corrin learned well from the ways of the Tyrannical King Marth. So much so that Corrin had to include an adventure with him serving under his army as a disposable pawn to open doors with.
@wouterW242 жыл бұрын
I vaguely recall one Eliwood conversation where he brings up being able to kill the enemy in front of him, but mostly the excesses of a large war/families weigh on him. And of course three houses really rubs in all the killing you do, including Baby’s first bandit. I also saw a Rolf convo in how he reflects his first kill ended his childhood. Most games just imply killing is just unavoidable when it comes to combat, and everyone is medieval enough to not dwell on it too much. All the death or victory honorbound characters kind of tick because defeat tends to be lethal. Three houses kind of cheats with bosses often, but those all fairly hardy people who the story implies aren’t ready to go all out when not killed. When they do go all in, they die. Claude/Edelgard are also mentioned to need a few months to heal up from their defeats at Gronder.
@MegaScytheman2 жыл бұрын
I actually like when a Fire Emblem game can have a boss encountered multiple times. I think the reason it tends to rub people the wrong way is that normally in FE when somebody's health bar reaches 0 they are permanently dead. This goes for players and enemies alike, and it would probably better if you could actually tell they were injured other than a line like "I have been defeated and must retreat". For example, what if bosses came back a few chapters later missing a limb, or an eye? Or covered in scars? Idk I just think it would be cool to have some kind of continuity considering they often dedicate a whole chapter to fighting somebody only to seem like it didn't really matter.
@300IQPrower2 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons i like Eliwood so much is that exact conversation. It’s refreshing to have someone pragmatic enough to understand killing is necessary and struggle with the knowledge the body count adds up and affects others, whereas usually its the other way around for protagonists and they understand it’s for the best but struggle taking the life of the person in front of them. It’s certainly better than some holier than thou twit who acts like shedding a drop of blood means they’ll deserve death.
@wouterW242 жыл бұрын
@@300IQPrower Also fe7 is the only game in which doesn’t have a large scale war. It comes closest during the Laus arc of course. Eliwood’s disgust at the war preparations is what causes the conversation to begin with.
@astracrits46332 жыл бұрын
@@MegaScytheman IIRC FE10 sort-of does this, albeit not quite to the extent you're talking about. If you look closely at the Black Knight's halfbody portrait in that game, there's a HUGE gouge in his armor that was presumably caused by his duel with Ike in FE9. From this, we can infer that there's probably a ludicrous amount of scarring on his chest (although it's never actually *shown* since he's covered from head to toe in plate armor.)
@hendeyjagger74892 жыл бұрын
@@MegaScytheman So, like in Shadows of Mörder? Edit: Mordor
@kryona33092 жыл бұрын
Fates: our characters are morally good and don't kill people. Three Houses: our characters are morally questionable and definitely have killed many, many, many people.
@lorddragonskin36032 жыл бұрын
3H Chapter 2 is just amazing on portraying that. People like Lindhart and Marianne who definitely despised having to kill. The Lords, (and maybe Lorenz and Ferdinand) who are battle seasoned and aware of the horror of the battlefield, but also of their responsibilities. Hubert and Felix who hold no problem in the battlefield. Bernie and Ashe, who are glad to have survived. And then we have Annette, Leonie and Raphael who are happy to see their training pay off.
@TheAxeLord479112 жыл бұрын
Eh, I think even that's a stretch, because Hoshido and Nohr all have at least _some_ very morally dubious characters. Niles, Charlotte, Peri, Camilla, Keaton and Beruka definitely killed, and Hoshido has Saizo, Oboro, Reina and Ryoma (need I remind you him feigning ignorance relative to Corrin's relation to him + manipulating Corrin to try to come back with him by blackmailing over Elise). Hell, to the game's credit, there _is_ an acknowledgement of how the losing side pretty much despises Corrin for their betrayal in either BR and CQ. Obviously, this is assuming a detachment from writing quality, but really, Fire Emblem in itself always had these kinds of characters even in the more black-and-white entries. I think for that reason it's pretty hard to assume that Fates' openly states "our characters are morally good" when you're already participating in possibly the most pointless war (morally speaking) in the series - something that'd be legitimately _really_ interesting to see if it actually had the time to go into detail.
@maltheopia2 жыл бұрын
Thracia: "Waste of good equipment, I say. Men, let's NOT commit war crimes and instead become as unto Meteor and Rewarp gods." "Wait, our army has a dude that straight-up tortured villagers, how are we committing fewer war crimes than everyone else."
@lemmymeringue8528 Жыл бұрын
And this storytelling in 3h is exactly why it's my fave in the series
@vaughnrudy80842 жыл бұрын
I'm going to be as generous as possible and say that early on Corrin tries their best to keep themselves absolved because early on you do a lot of Garon's Evil Errands (TM) that corrin doesnt actually want to do, but later on when its more into the "all out war with Garon/Iago/Hans present" phase of the story this becomes impractical and while still attempting to do the best they can by sparing the wounded and minimizing casualties, they do end up killing people but it's thought of as at least understandable because the "Corrin patented nonlethal approach" doesnt work on such a large scale idk abt the kitsune though. Maybe they just felt it was weird they kept playing the no-kill corrin card and wanted to put corrin doing something morally reprehensible SOMEWHERE so they stuck it in the middle Birthright Corrin though? Nah, good old BRC has no problems with killing people at all, because all the Nohrians deserved it, probably.
@1stCallipostle2 жыл бұрын
With the Kitsune, it really is just for Tradgedy Points. It's tragic that you had to wipe a tribe that may or may not be the last of their kind off the face of the earth, therefore it has to go down that way
@thechugg43722 жыл бұрын
Implying killing all furries is morally reprehensible in the first place
@KoopaKoot2 жыл бұрын
Nohr Corrin: It is evil to kill. Hoshido Corrin: KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!!
@TheAxeLord479112 жыл бұрын
Honestly, to the game's credit, the fact the "good" nation has such a vengeful Corrin is a perfect duality, especially when the war itself is really fucked up. I wish they explored that more.
@DiogoJ1 Жыл бұрын
Hoshido Corrin has the right idea, since most Nohrians aren't worth living.
@Silburific Жыл бұрын
Corrin: "Killing people is wrong... but Nohrians ain't people."
@nullpoint33464 ай бұрын
Corrin is the small inversion, the yin within the yang, or yang within the yin.
@Videokirby2 жыл бұрын
I kinda wish they made Corrin's supposed pacifism bite him in the ass. Like, he would spare Reina early on leading to an entire Nohrian base getting slaughtered, and I mean *slaughtered,* by her a few chapters later. Similarly, Birthright should have had Corrin's kill-count be quite high and leave it just as bittersweet as Conquest.
@kyuga35082 жыл бұрын
Corrin sigma grindset : hold nothing back and brutally kill subhuman cats
@Edagui972 жыл бұрын
The saddest victims of this war were Iago, a loyal vassal to the end, Hans "One-swing Dragonslayer", a reformed criminal who fought for his country, and Zola, the one who could have ended this war if it wasn't for those filthy traitors and their self-serving concept of honor.
@kingandcountry12422 жыл бұрын
It would’ve been a good plot point to have Corrin actually consider Zola’s plan as it would’ve ended the war quicker and with less casualties. This make Corrin have to decide between minimizing casualties or his love for his “siblings” both of which are the main parts of his character. But of course Leo has to come in and absolve him of any agency.
@feferson4922 жыл бұрын
Zola and Kotaro were done so damn dirty wtf
@samkeiser97762 жыл бұрын
@@kingandcountry1242 the funny thing with Zola, is that that’s one of the chapters where it’s implied the characters you’re fighting actually die/get killed. Because I imagine if they really wanted to cover up their treason they’d have to kill every loyal Nohrian involved.
@lpfan44912 жыл бұрын
Zola always gets the short end of the stick.
@lemmymeringue8528 Жыл бұрын
Tbh I always felt like Zola shoulda been a playable character, he basically gets converted to your side on the main routes (I know he backstabs you, but he also backpedals again). I just thought he would've been a fun, uncharacteristic unit to use.
@thenailsageofgeo49752 жыл бұрын
One kill that was missed: -Corrin explicitly kills a Hoshidan in one of their and Azura’s support convos, the second, I believe. You could argue that since this support is optional, it isn’t official, but since Shura is recorded, I think it’s worth mentioning this as well.
@ballistic25272 жыл бұрын
No, when their hp reaches 0, he tucks them into bed, reads them a bedtime story and gives them forehead kissies before moving on to the next chapter to do the same
@unstablepc59132 жыл бұрын
The moral of the story is: Corrin really hates furries.
@shytendeakatamanoir97402 жыл бұрын
But he has a furry friend! How can he possibly hate furries?
@AzumarillConGafasBv2 жыл бұрын
Corrin is Laguzphobic Ike didn't like that
@TheAxeLord479112 жыл бұрын
Who doesn't? :P
@s.e.111films32 жыл бұрын
@@TheAxeLord47911 I’d say ‘other furries’, but they get the Beastbane skill, so nevermind.
@thatonejoey18472 жыл бұрын
@@AzumarillConGafasBv shinon really liked that... C support unlocked
@raymoo85042 жыл бұрын
friendly spar with fuga where your units actually die
@EgotisticalAltruist2 жыл бұрын
So long story short, Conquest Corrin hates furries
@s.e.111films32 жыл бұрын
I mean… They like Keaton
@thatonepipsqueak8877 ай бұрын
As any Lord with a stable brain should.
@thomaslaing68002 жыл бұрын
If you exclusively fight with Niles’ capture, including Einherjar or Orochi, you can avoid killing anyone in gameplay, except against inhuman monsters like Faceless, Vallites or those disgusting Kitsune.
@kingfail38192 жыл бұрын
All of this is in stark contrast to Birthright, where Corrin has exactly zero compunctions about ruthlessly slaughtering the Nohrian army. Because consistent character traits are overrated, I guess.
@300IQPrower2 жыл бұрын
It’s because westerners evil. Like that’s not even a meme Nohr is officially equated to Europe. The story is literally good asians vs evil westerners, and they feel a need to make it “””nuanced””” when fighting against Hoshido but pure good vs pure evil if you’re fighting Nohr.
@CM-os7ie2 жыл бұрын
I guess the motivations are different. In Conquest he is working against the country he is in, and allied with them for the time. So he kills as few enemies as possible to kill Garon in the end. In Birthright he rejoins his "birth family" after he finds out he got kidnapped and raised by some comically evil guy, watches them kill his mother figure not too long after meeting her and then he decides to side with them. Ig it is more a testament to the decision you make as the player, a Corrin who sides with Nohr wants as little death as possible as he sees himself and Nohr partly in the wrong as well. A Corrin who decides to side with Hoshido is ready to get vengeance against foes.
@InfiniteThePhantomJackal Жыл бұрын
@@CM-os7ie yeah I think it's something like this. Like IIRC what food Silas says is Corrin's favorite also changes based on the route
@AzumarillConGafasBv2 жыл бұрын
I loved this analysis, it's something I haven't seen made by someone, it reminds me of that Thracia 776 video where someone connects Chapter 7 and Chapter 8 map of FE4 and the maps/routes Leif is in. I really like to see more of this in Fire Emblem Community, shout out to you, it's an amazing video!.
@djordj93302 жыл бұрын
That sounds cool, can you give me the link to that video?
"No one can die in a dream." Freddy Krueger: "Oh I beg to differ."
@Jobocite2 жыл бұрын
I never understood why they try to justify Corrin never killing anyone, like, sure in other games they don't explicitly mention the kill count, but that's a relatively normal thing if you're going into a battle by battle war It's really unnatural the way they made Corrin out to be some kind of massive scale pacifist
@loganrenfrow25442 жыл бұрын
To be fair the other games often made it much more explicit that the people you were fighting were either bad or were taking orders from someone who was bad.
@Jobocite2 жыл бұрын
@@loganrenfrow2544 not necessarily. 3 Houses for example, each side outside of the slithers are relatively justified in what they do and the story still isn't afraid to shy away from the fact you're putting down good people because they serve the opposing side Awakening does follow similar themes in the map where you face Mustafa I like the more realistic takes on war like that though, its a lot of the reason why I enjoy series like Universal Century Gundam and such
@loganrenfrow25442 жыл бұрын
@@Jobocite oh I know it isn't the only time it's just the first time that it was like 80% of the game.
@MegaScytheman2 жыл бұрын
I think the idea behind pacifist corrin in Conquest is that for the most part Corrin joins Nohr so that he can sabotage Garon's plans from the inside, and preventing entire swathes of Garon's enemies from dying is a pretty good sabotage.
@vivil2533 Жыл бұрын
Never forget Micaiah Famously slaughtered tons of people on screen with boulders and burning oil, and those people were not evil, they were the good guys.
@Lechgang2 жыл бұрын
The more and more I look into fates I realize that "Wow, someone really botched this." but also "Wow, if you fixed a few things this would be really really good."
@lpfan44912 жыл бұрын
That is actually sorta the thing. The story was put through a blender and then treehoused to get to us, but the basic concept isn't that bad. That is why people wonder what the original script was before it was rewritten prerelease.
@thechugg43722 жыл бұрын
Theres actually a mod called good guy garon that rewrites conquest.
@Lechgang2 жыл бұрын
@@thechugg4372 I've seen it, and I do like it. I still personally think it can be improved even from there.
@john7550 Жыл бұрын
Apparently the guy they had to write the game wrote a huge amount of story but Nintendo decided to shorten it so the story got butchered
@nightknight77892 жыл бұрын
Chp 12-15 are explicitly 0, as according to Peri in Chp 16, Corrin ordered the army not to kill anyone between her joining and them reuniting with Xander.
@fubu722 жыл бұрын
CORRIN: uuuughhh ooooaaaaaaahhh when will the bloodshed end my hands are tainted "man you really didn't need to kill the kitsune guys you hadn't killed anyone so far" CORRIN: uoooooooooohh
@keneor44682 жыл бұрын
This really reminds me how I couldn't get into fates. I bought the collector with all three routes and started with conqiest, because it really seemed like you could go down a dark path. Only to not be able to side with daddy garon and kill every last one of them. I was really expecting this at the start, but quickly understood we had to be the good guys anyway. Such a shame.
@thechugg43722 жыл бұрын
Birthright was definitely the bad guys this time.
@franciscoandreyriveracano14592 жыл бұрын
Corin is innocent from killing anybody, and his army were just following orders. Truly the perfect Alibi for his war crimes.
@Kryptnyt2 жыл бұрын
Charles Manson moment
@n00bplayer722 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in Three Houses: Lysithea: **Gets absolutely clapped by Byleth** Spare me, plz! Byleth: k Balthus: Hey Teach, could you please NOT kill Hilda? Byleth: imma pretend I didn't hear that.
@appelofdoom82112 жыл бұрын
The justification is that Lysithea surrenders but Hilda refuses to.
@lpfan44912 жыл бұрын
Hilda:"I will not back down. Kill me if you must!" Byleth:"Oke"
@murphthasmurf59232 жыл бұрын
You’ve given this much more analysis than it deserves
@NeviTheLettyFan2 жыл бұрын
The kitsune deserved it after the hell they made you go through
@ShadowChozo2 жыл бұрын
By comparison, BR!Corrin enters full Dimitri mode.
@Missingnoleader2 жыл бұрын
Rip those Fox people though.
@aboriginite2 жыл бұрын
In corrins defense, they were cheap bastards with how they fought
@RubyChiang2 жыл бұрын
Corrin never striked me as someone who would kill but Marth has always given me that vibe. Also, Byleth and Dimitri definitely killed.
@mikewazowski7024 Жыл бұрын
Marth has a conversation or two with Nyna in FE11 about how he recognizes the humanity of the foes he has killed. Dmitri is... well, Dimitri and Byleth was such an effective mercenary that they was dubbed the ASHEN DEMON by his fellow mercenaries, so they have definitely killed.
@BossEvasion2 жыл бұрын
I know that he killed at least one dude, and wore his skin as boots, but I'm sure that was completely justified like everything else in Conquest...
@shytendeakatamanoir97402 жыл бұрын
Those were very nice boots.
@BossEvasion2 жыл бұрын
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 Boots that Corrin desperately needed.
@EdwardoFE2 жыл бұрын
in short, Corrin really hates those stupid foxes, and is 100% justified.
@Elite_Teach2 жыл бұрын
I like to think that Corrin personally killed Hans for all the hell he put them through
@tapseymoth8032 жыл бұрын
My head canon is that corrin just inherited anakos’s magic mind power everytime he wants to get away with murder he just makes everyone think he pacified everyone. Especially considering how they all it takes is for someone to gaze into corrin’s calming eyes to be completely on board with whatever corrin wants. The only reason they didn’t use this with the kitsune was because they were all dead and no one was there to witness corrin’s butcher who wasn’t already bound everlasting to corrin’s army (not even death will save your soul as the einjar shop’s existence basically lets Corrin do what Anakos does with constantly reviving the dead)
@slanax972 жыл бұрын
Fire Emblem Fates Conquest is a game where you're told you don't actually kill your enemies, it's one of the few games with a Capture mechanic to actually let you do that in gameplay, and yet by the time you beat it you'll still have committed genocide.
@valemontgomery94012 жыл бұрын
From the way Corrin seems to break down after Ryoma's death and the fact that they had to keep up appearances for Garon does tell me that Corrin probably killed more people than we're explicitly told.
@TheAxeLord479112 жыл бұрын
Hell, we see this in his supports with Azura - Corrin killed a _lot._ I just think that what the games meant is to show those he tried to spare versus what was actually feasible. Something that'd be legitimately really cool if they had the time to flesh this out.
@aetherius62212 жыл бұрын
@@TheAxeLord47911 conquest is just one big what could've been. Moral greys and quandries, the death of innocence, a main character who slowly starts to forget that their brutality and hatred is a show. You become marth and warcrime your way to victory... at the cost of your humanity... and at the end you kneel in the sundered ashes of a once-beautiful hoshido and wonder if the price of your birth family is worth keeping your old family, fractured, abusive and laden each with a heavy, darkened heart. You wonder if you made the right choice, and you find some strange comfort in the fact that there isn't an answer, because you fear the truth is that you chose wrong.... And you didn't Buy Rev 20$ baybe!
@popopop9842 жыл бұрын
Or it could be inconsistent and poor writing from different people without a solid understanding of the story
@Stardevoir2 жыл бұрын
Revelation is way worse with the "we didn't kill anyone" dialogue, I remember it happening so often before you go to Valla
@lemmymeringue8528 Жыл бұрын
Revelation is such a joke fanfiction moment, but I DO still love playing it. The character interactions are just plain interesting to me. I do like the concept of these malevolent ghosts from another world pulling the strings, but the whole "I can't tell you but just trust me" vibes are so stupid.😂
@lemmymeringue8528 Жыл бұрын
Like just have Azura be so traumatized that THAT is why she can't talk about it (it makes sense too). And Corrin NEEDS to talk about it and prove it to the other guys like c'mon story they really gonna trust on a whim? Izana had to die for Takumi to finally be convinced (and that didn't have to happen).
@omlett64822 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you didn't censor the "V*lite", we can't say their name since we didn't BUY REV!
@Zek3nator Жыл бұрын
The curse is part of the DLC, you only disappear if you pay $20!
@abbymems2 жыл бұрын
I feel like that other FE games don't say you don't kill people though. It's just that you can kill the boss with anyone, so half the time, there's no cutscenes that's like "ah yes Ephraim, it was you who killed Valter. Not just someone in your army." But there are also usually less worries about whether it's the right thing to do. No one is second guessing killing Validar, even if he is Robin's dad. Hell, doesn't Robin send two ships colliding into one another ON FIRE in Awakening? It's bound to have killed tons, but it's just talked about like it's a cool maneuver. Fates wants you to care about these people you're killing because (if you pay 20 dollars) you could get to know them and learn that they're good people too. But...you aren't really killing them anyway because it's mostly avoidable.
@StarshadowMelody2 жыл бұрын
"Is it really okay to kill your fa-" "I don't fucking know this bitch and he keeps fucking with my head. Murder him." Also I think they evac'd the burning ships. Plus it's not like Validar sent any extra soldiers to staff the ships, literally just the ships.
@elivcdxv18522 жыл бұрын
@@StarshadowMelody love robin, but also thank you, that made me bust a lung
@emblemblade92452 жыл бұрын
Oh god I forgot about Robin’s hilarious war crime
@lpfan44912 жыл бұрын
Robin:"Hey, how about we turn half of our fleet into live bombs? No one from our side is going to die, so it's alright!" Everyone in Awakening:"Interessting maneuver."
@mathieubach68512 жыл бұрын
At least on 3H, the students had a quote when they'd kill someone for the first time 😅
@panickyduck47832 жыл бұрын
Corrin should have ditched the Ganglari when it pulled them off a bridge. You could argue that Corrin's judgement was clouded in all the commotion of that cutscene but it's weird how the story makes no effort to justify this. I'd say Corrin is guilty of negligence at that point.
@emblemblade92452 жыл бұрын
Didn’t they get immediately KO’d by Rinkah? Real problem was the Hoshidan dummies allowing a prisoner to keep their weapon lol
@lpfan44912 жыл бұрын
To be fair with Corrin here, the abyss is sus as heck and a lot of other weird stuff happened there. They might have assumed it to be a one time-event due to the sword not acting up again.(I mean, it literally never did it again. Even when the explosion happened, it was a direct act from an attacker, not the weapon doing stuff on its own)
@drewgarcia117 Жыл бұрын
Corrin fighting Nohrians, Hoshidans, or mostly anyone: "I shall not kill you! I wish this war to end peaceful!" Corrin fighting Kitsunes: "I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals! I hate them!"
@loganrenfrow25442 жыл бұрын
This is most likely giving this game way too much credit but you could see this game's enhanced difficulty compared to the other 2 routes as a meta representation of how much more difficult Conquest Corrin's policy of minimal casualties is compared to Birthright Corrin deciding "Nah, those Nohr fuckers have it coming."
@jacobkakyoin68822 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Subaki and Hana explicitly don't die after the Sakura/Yukimura boss map. Strangely, I think the only playable characters who explicitly DO die if you kill them are Scarlet, probably Reina and Orochi (Hans rule), the furries, and potentially the retainers of the Hoshidan royals that die if you don't skip fighting them (Oboro, Hinata, Saizo, Kagero, Laslow, Arthur, Effie); Hana and Subaki get captured, Azama and Setsuna fake their deaths, Selena Beruka Niles and Odin (the one Awakening-returner who can't ACTUALLY die on any route!) all just sorta survive the final time you fight them. Probably Charlotte and Benny on birthright but it isn't made clear. idk why they made this writing decision when they want you to feel the hardships of war.
@darklordliam2 жыл бұрын
Chapter 18 is funny to me because Zola had all the Hoshidan royals captured and at Nohr’s mercy but Xander comes in and kills his own countrymen because it “wouldn’t be honorable,” completely ignoring all the stuff his country has already pulled and that murdering your allies is totally justified if they’re not winning the war fairly. Imagine how many generic lives he could have saved if he just helped Zola kill the royals.
@emblemblade92452 жыл бұрын
My man saw a chance for more EXP and by god he took it
@lpfan44912 жыл бұрын
Xander just dislikes sussy imposters.
@arcade_parade2 жыл бұрын
Not technically in-story, but there’s also Corrin’s B-Rank Support with Azura in that route. Corrin’s attacked by a Hoshidan solider, after which they say something along the lines of “I didn’t want to kill him, but I had no choice.” Just thought I should put that out there in case nobody else has
@rpgaddict3142 жыл бұрын
Do Takumi and Garon even count since they are dead and possessed? The kitsune chapter is what makes Corrin out of character the most. They weren't even directly involved in the war yet he makes them go extinct.
@trevortobias48272 жыл бұрын
Would takumi jumping off the bridge count as a suicide? I guess takumi doesn’t commit suicide to prevent corrin from killing people
@monopolyrubix18752 жыл бұрын
Takumu was already dead by then. His battle theme switches from the Nohrian one to the Vallite one starting in Chapter 13.
@TheDimensionDweller2 жыл бұрын
Solid conclusions! Thanks for putting the effort into analyzing this, it was fun to watch
@boredomkiller992 жыл бұрын
The reason they can't have Corrin kill anyone in Conquest is because you are mostly fighting Hoshido. Despite the idea of Fates was picking between two families and nations and dealing with the consequences, Hoshido is unquestionable good and Nohr are literally the antagonists. If Corrin killed Hoshido soldiers in this black and white conflict they would be undeniable a villain and as the player insert and paragon of good that is not allowed. Perhaps if Fates was written more like a war between two nations equally justified who are at odds with each other and not just a cartoonishly good versus evil story maybe we could of got a compelling story full of nuance.
@boredomkiller992 жыл бұрын
Like you know the premise of Conquest is bad when Garon is legit confused why Corrin would come back to Nohr. Like child I literally had you attacked by my own men so you could unknowingly assassinate your mother. I am kind of a POS, why are you here?
@ivanbluecool2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I forgot this was even a thing in conquest to make Corrin seem like he is helping but it doesn't matter much considering how much plot protects him or people die off screen anyways with Iago Hans and Zola around. Elise being 18 is probably how I see the localazation going to try to justify things.
@TheAxeLord479112 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the way I saw it was that Conquest only had no fatalities when they're explicit mentioned it as such. Chapter 8, 11 and 20 are the only chapters I'd say result in completely no fatalities, the former being due to it being a small-level skirmish and the latter being a mock battle. Everything else I feel is met pretty clearly with some degree of fatality (Chapter 10, 12, 14, etc. etc.) or Corrin _tried_ to spare the enemy soldiers but the Nohrians massacred them (Chapters 13 & 22) - or in some cases, nobody spared (Chapter 9). This is to say nothing that Corrin's supports with Azura in Conquest confirms he's killed a _lot_ already, alongside the general cloud of doubt that persists with Corrin throughout the story. It's kind of a shame, because it'd have been an interesting dilemma for Corrin to have confronted if done right. Ah, well. I will always be the first to admit I genuinely enjoyed Conquest's story, but that's by and large I'd continue to argue that a _lot_ of how the game's portrayed makes more sense taken out of context - and it’s with real-world context and putting inconsistencies and the general gist of what the plot means that things really line up. Hoshido ending up slaughtering way more soldiers in Birthright with all the Rout maps? An indicator alongside the lack of facetime given to the Nohrian uniques being rapidly slaughtered, and the general feel is something that is applied too simply to actually merit discussion here. Hoshido ending up having nearly all of its retainers be nobility while Nohr scarcely cares for who fights, as long as they can? Distinct between even the katakana/kanji readings of the original cast. The fact Hoshido doesn’t even know Nohr is starving and using that as a motive? Hints of near-total ignorance coming from them over the status here. And hell, the fact King Garon and his cronies (Iago and Hans) are borderline-irredeemably cartoonish lunatics? Entirely sensible given Anankos possessed Garon - Anankos, batshit insane dragon who degenerated to misanthropy - and it makes sense that Garon would openly hire a scheming traitor and a serial killer for his army, an arrangement that also had the Nohrian royals effectively lovebombed in order to keep them obedient - to the point a major part of the Royals character development was built around them justifying their actions before deciding to never justify it anymore. Fates has a lot of these aspects that, if you choose to take the context away from how the game presents it to actual references in real-world history and detail, makes a startling amount of sense. The sad part is that IntSys just didn't have the time nor ability to get all it wanted to do done, given the writer for Fates had gotten 1,500 pages for all three routes, but had to compress it severely until it just didn't work as well as it could. But on the flipside, it makes me hopeful for a remake to give it its full potential, because at the end of the day, I've put way more time into a game I adore than is healthy (561 hours total), and I don't regret a single second of it. Great video, Excelblem! Always great to see good more Fates content. :D
@shytendeakatamanoir97402 жыл бұрын
What do you mean? Chosing between a man and a pair of boots is the best possible moral dilemma!
@TheAxeLord479112 жыл бұрын
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 Boots is good, but Shura is a really cool character, so I kinda regret that I "role-played" (loosely described) and killed him on my main Conquest run. But honestly, choices like that are really interesting, and honestly are better done than Awakening's weightless choices. In the end, the game just deserves a second chance, because it had so much going for it, and still does even now. It'll always be one of my GOAT games, and I love it even now. :D
@supervillain369 Жыл бұрын
Looking at this, the main thing I think about is how, in some of the earlier Fe games, the Lords (at least to start) are quite weak, so just by gameplay, they probably don't have that many souls to their name, just how much you could, or felt was proper, to give them. Meanwhile, starting with Kris in New mystery and onwards with PC protags, we've had literal murder machines, who I refuse to believe do not have extremely violent tendencies, or family issues fueling their bloodstained carnage trek through whatever country was unfortunate enough to have them borne into it. And that's just the tip of the iceberg for why Corrin in particular was so jarring. I kinda respect the choice to have Byleth literally be an unfeeling psycho (practically speaking), whose main attachments only come while working at the monastery, because that's likely where you as the player, also build attachments to the characters too (seeing as it's the main setting you see, not Byleth's past). It works for the murder and bonding!
@mrgreenboy6442 жыл бұрын
"Nohr has magic similar to that of Hoshido's barrier that nonlethally KOs the enemy when the user wills it" There. Done. I don't like the idea of a non-lethal KO in a full scale war as that feels like a copout but if they had to do it they could just do it like that
@durmusaltan89572 жыл бұрын
I am guessing 3 Edit: If we follow the rules takumi doesn't counts so i am right
@keldeo052 жыл бұрын
Takumi's death is counted as suicide loophole right?
@DrunkedOwly2 жыл бұрын
Now that I'm playing thraccia I found this hilarious, knowing that in that game it's stated something among the lines of "it is sad that the lopterian soldiers are probably here against they will, we maybe will spare (capture) them" and then capture 5 out of 40 soldiers
@BurningFyre2 жыл бұрын
Corrin killed the Kitsune because Corrin hates furries. Even a broken clock i suppose.
@Brullar2 жыл бұрын
Corrin killed every single enemy on the kana paralogue. You can't change my mind
@lagspike7763 Жыл бұрын
Leo really out here doing corrin’s dirty work that’s why he’s my fucking goat
@Kaiser19932 жыл бұрын
they should've made Corrin the Batman routine
@harrycarson65262 жыл бұрын
Corrin: I never kill anyone Also Corrin: commits genocide on furries!
@BurningFyre2 жыл бұрын
I mean...
@beanhead41972 жыл бұрын
When I was younger and first played it I skipped the story so I could kill the bad guys but now knowing corrin barely kills is sad
@mqfii89922 жыл бұрын
Imagine how ironic it would be that In Birthright and Revelation, it ends up implying more people have died than In Conquest?
@gilgamesh7084 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, they did follow up this entry with three houses, which explicitly has almost all of your characters killing large numbers of people
@Ganonmustdie22 жыл бұрын
When they marketed a Fire Emblem game where I could play as the invading empire, I was excited. Burn and destroy, war for fun and profit! When do you get to play the out-and-out BAD guys in Fire Emblem? Apparently never, because the developers sure wanted players to know that Corrin is a good soul.
@neoonewingedren18362 жыл бұрын
Corrin would never kill😡😡😡 He is perfect, Corrin is our lord and savior i'm corrinssexual myself 🤗😤😤 Irony alert
@everettwatsonrazorearcwolf65532 жыл бұрын
Now we need a Corrin Pacifist run
@MakoProfessionalJerk2 жыл бұрын
Game Theory: The Events of the DLC happen because Excelblem wanted more named character death
@OrigamiAhsoka Жыл бұрын
Gosh the kitsunes being just slaughtered all at once “in self defense” will never not be funny to me
@Lukemyfather12 жыл бұрын
Would you add corrin not having A support with Kaze technically *killing* kaze, or are we assuming full support is gained during this analysis?
@agirlinsearchof90572 жыл бұрын
That only happens in Birthright, and this video only analyzes Conquest. I assume if Excelblem analyzes Birthright, Kaze’s death will be counted like Shura’s (treated as happening, with a note that it is optional), but also as a suicide loophole (as Kaze sacrifices himself, meaning Corrin technically did not kill him themselves).
@TheSacredBlade10 ай бұрын
"Corrin Kiryu has never killed anyone"
@SgtBaha2 жыл бұрын
Ty for this lovely video about Corrin
@mikewazowski7024 Жыл бұрын
The virgin "no you can't kill anyone" conquest vs the Chad "KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!"
@gamezerox Жыл бұрын
Corrin's Nohr army is insanely skilled for being non-lethal and knocking people out in the midst of the chaos of war against an opposite force hell bent on protecting their home and seeking vengeance for their late queen. The only explanation I get for chapter 19 is that it's a marketing ploy to get another route. Fates just love going "what if there was another way" and just didn't care about the story so far. That or Corrin only cares about the country he spend a week in and decided that they were to be protected at all cost.
@EternalJouney10022 жыл бұрын
Around 1:49 your voice cut off. Is that intentional?
@Excelblem2 жыл бұрын
nope, a clip was accidentally deleted I say something along the lines of "Corrin invades Fort Dragonfall and fights some Hoshidan Soldiers"
@Kiri684196 ай бұрын
Early game corrin: I want to prove to Hoshido that we aren't evil....I will spare everyone I can. Chapter 19: This fox tribe thinks I'm here for their fur, but they're wrong! I'm actually here for outright genocide!
@ryanprjgamingchannel94372 жыл бұрын
Iirc Chapter 16 could be yellow instead of red (due to choice of sparing Shura) and 26 red depending on what do you think (it might be possible that Corrin killed Hans for revenge, but Iago being killed by Leo is canon). The only truly explicit kills are the Kitsunes (Kaden included)
@angrybread4782 жыл бұрын
You forgot to censor yourself saying Valite! You're gonna cease to exist!
@phantom10532 жыл бұрын
Eh, he bought the Revelation path, so I'm sure he'll be fine.
@lpfan44912 жыл бұрын
Nah, the curse just doesn't include the word because Anankos was too cheap to pay 5 more € for the full pay to win-pack.
@Xiruen2 жыл бұрын
I don’t like how this implies that Jakob lives.
@gundamkw10952 жыл бұрын
Corrin doesn't kill anybody because she/he said so Corrin: *maniaclly laughing while rewriting history*
@terranproulx7217 ай бұрын
Enemies live on casual mode, next question.
@Simalf132 жыл бұрын
Iirc Corrin did killed Hoshidans as revealed in the Corrin-Azura support.
@eldritch-rage Жыл бұрын
Corrin being the moral paragon of Nohr could work if the writing wasn't such a hot mess.
@marcgomez83912 жыл бұрын
The virgin Corrin: wins a war while non-descriptively taking soldiers out. The chad Byleth: takes literal children out to fight and explicitly kill enemies while also being responsible for plenty of deaths themselves. IntSys really regretted how cheesy Fates' story turned out, huh.
@etherdragon33262 жыл бұрын
"Fuck dude Corrin is too moral of a character, what do we do?" "... Make the next player unit commit war crimes for half of the story?" "you're a genius Derreck"
@comicconman88262 жыл бұрын
Corins war crime trial
@JoeEmb776 Жыл бұрын
I think in the japanese version they point out the nonlethal bullshit more often, like ryoma's pot map & defending the port against takumi, but they still get vague in the sakura chapter & takumi's wall or something. (Also it's worth noting that pretty much all human generics can just be captured in gameplay) What really throws me for a loop is the sudden mass-genocide of an entire people just because they threatened to defend their village. that's super out of left field & is the only true instance of corrin killing anyone in conquest as garron & takumi are technically just vallites that are more directly possessed by anonkos at the time that he kills them
@megarotom15902 жыл бұрын
Yknow killing Shura is optional and neither Garon nor Takumi is properly alive rn so that just leaves the one with the kitsunes. In conclusion: Corrin is racist
@jkjack074210 ай бұрын
The kitsune disrespect is real in conquest. Kaden can't catch a break here