Exclusive! Here's Why GM 2.7L Turbo Replaced V6, Oil Pan Material Change

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@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk Жыл бұрын
Check out this video for more on 5 good/bad and 1 maybe thing about the Chevy Colorado: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4O9faOujKpgas0
@joalyincontroly4379
@joalyincontroly4379 Жыл бұрын
Awesome interview thanks Tim and Kevin! I don't know how I didn't catch this one sooner. I'm now curious if my 2023 ZR2 will have the aluminum oil pan, as Kevin says here they'll be implementing that change over the next year or so and my ZR2 has a build date of July 15th. Anyway, I'm not worried about this 2.7 engine at all and I'm excited to feel the 430 torque👍🏻
@deancollins3713
@deancollins3713 8 ай бұрын
Just sell it after 70k miles or dig deep into your wallet. Check out the lawsuit's already! @@joalyincontroly4379
@vorant77
@vorant77 11 ай бұрын
I'm convinced engine designers should be required to do an internship in an auto repair shop for a minimium of 2 years.
@44coma
@44coma 9 ай бұрын
All engineers should be a hands on mechanical tech for Min of two years for a degree.
@cmitchell17a1
@cmitchell17a1 8 ай бұрын
Before non-engineers comment on engineer's design, they should be fully versed in the insane constraints and limitations, especially automotive designers, are under. @@44coma
@garygarrett1917
@garygarrett1917 8 ай бұрын
Good idea
@MLG-zu2hg
@MLG-zu2hg 6 ай бұрын
I’m an automotive engineer don’t tell them I told you this, but we (employer) really don’t care. Truck blows up after the warranty. To be honest. Most cars nowadays. Have a 10 year expiration date. The people I work with every day with the smartest people I know from mechanics to former Dakar , and Baja engineers,. Trust me we can make a reliable engine Toyota was doing it back in the 2000s. There’s been multiple cases where through long-term testing we have found multiple issues but since the issues we found “most likely” happen over 200,000 miles we purposely did nothing. our customer base (likely used) who drives cars not far into the future. Don’t have the money to buy a new products so we don’t care what they think about us. And the customer basis I that afford a new truck will have a perfectly problem with the truck for 6 to 8 years. before you ask other companies do the same even Toyota now with the new turbo junk. We usually open up or competitors engines and see what we can rivers engineer or learn from )non-patented) Sooo… sorry 😢 (power train engineer in one of the big American three)
@theoutdoordad7395
@theoutdoordad7395 5 ай бұрын
@@MLG-zu2hgno pride in your work- great to know
@BradyReading
@BradyReading 5 ай бұрын
20,000 miles down on my 23 Colorado with the HO tune. Several roadtrips including towing 6000lbs from Florida to Colorado in 2 days. The engine is easily a highlight of the truck. Long 2% grades pulling a trailer through Kansas into a strong headwind and the engine sat at 2300rpm at 75mph. Zero power concerns. Loving it so far and I probably run it harder than the typical user. Lots of off-road, uphill on dirt, long roadtrips, daily driving in a hill heavy high elevation area, and the l3b just eats it all up without issues.
@MrNismopro
@MrNismopro 3 ай бұрын
Get you an oil catch can for that engine. You’ll thank me later.
@timsmith8391
@timsmith8391 2 ай бұрын
Any direct injection engine needs one unless it has TPI as well
@tim1586
@tim1586 Жыл бұрын
As design engineer, just listening to this makes me want to go work for Kevin. Seems like a genuine guy. Really appreciated the discussion on the 2.7 L and how in depth it was. Happy to hear that the oil pan is being changed to aluminum. Plastic can be great, but typically suffers from creep, particularly in high temp/cyclic situations no matter how good it is.
@atfireman4175
@atfireman4175 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you on the plastics because as a firefighter, my face piece is mostly plastic and it’s definitely seen some heat. I do feel like the technology is there to make plastics withstand a lot. Idk if this would carry over to the automotive side of things though 🤷🏾‍♂️
@christianhudspeth3338
@christianhudspeth3338 Жыл бұрын
As a lube tech, I absolutely hated any engine with the plastic pan. They all seem to spew oil everywhere but in the oil drain bucket. I was pleasantly surprised to see the new models with 2.7 turbo have a metal pan.
@96cr
@96cr 4 ай бұрын
Not at the price point to sell an affordable car and I work on airplanes for a living the quality control won't be there on cars​@@atfireman4175
@tyh6243
@tyh6243 Жыл бұрын
Kevin is such a gem. GM is super lucky to have a lead engineer with so much passion and the ability to communicate his ideas as effectively as he does. Great interview and thanks for sharing.
@wilmarbarrick3194
@wilmarbarrick3194 Жыл бұрын
☝ Kevin's other anonymous account.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk Жыл бұрын
LOL
@ramiroescamilla7263
@ramiroescamilla7263 Жыл бұрын
No crapy anemic engine’s and problematic turbo’s for me.
@Shaqeroni-2
@Shaqeroni-2 Жыл бұрын
Agree 💯
@joalyincontroly4379
@joalyincontroly4379 Жыл бұрын
​@@wilmarbarrick3194 That made me Lol thanks😂
@BowTied69
@BowTied69 Жыл бұрын
Great video - huge win to get an OEM engineer to explain things in this level of detail. MUCH appreciated!
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@brettradecki
@brettradecki Жыл бұрын
Kevin is an awesome guy. This is exactly the right thing to do to get people to understand this is a fantastic engine. Excellent video, I already have the 2.7 and people laugh at me for it, I absolutely love it. I appreciate the time Kevin takes to put out the details and I also like to see when a person is excited about their work and being able to show it off. I appreciate it Kevin and I love your engine.
@goodguysinc.
@goodguysinc. Жыл бұрын
This is the worst engine possible in a truck
@ReflectedMiles
@ReflectedMiles 11 ай бұрын
@@goodguysinc. No, a 3-cylinder GEO plastic engine would be the worst possible engine in a truck. That said, the timing chain and plastic guides on this one may be the Achilles Heel that makes the rest of the engine's engineering somewhat beside the point. It looks exactly like the cheesy, thin, zero-redundancy design that has left many a Chevy vehicle in the shop for expensive repairs over the last decade-plus.
@ericthompson3551
@ericthompson3551 5 ай бұрын
Let us know how much you love it in 5 years and 100,000 miles. Most people love their new vehicle.
@brettradecki
@brettradecki 4 ай бұрын
@@ericthompson3551 there’s people on the forums with over 200,000 miles already. Typical fluid changes and plugs was all they needed. It’s been out for over 5 years already.
@hfarms5779
@hfarms5779 Жыл бұрын
The more I learn about the 2.7, the better I feel about my Silverado. It's exciting to hear an engineer talk about his racing experience rather than just book learning. Kevin has octane in his veins.
@goodguysinc.
@goodguysinc. Жыл бұрын
Have fun having it repaired prematurely 😂
@jimmycline4778
@jimmycline4778 11 ай бұрын
@@goodguysinc.They’ve been out for about 5 years, I’ve seen where people haul heavy loads with this engine in the Silverados and they have over 100k miles and no problems! A lot of thought went into this motor!
@Slane583
@Slane583 9 ай бұрын
@@jimmycline4778 You're wasting your time on a troll.
@docholliday6285
@docholliday6285 7 ай бұрын
I've had the privilege of owning a wide range of vehicles, from several big block GM, to German luxury sports cars and THIS 2.7LI4T ranks among the top in terms of performance (2023 Colorado ZR2). Longevity is to be determined, however, having researched this engine extensively I am very confident GM has developed and employed a world class product here. Hats off, Sir!
@vehiclenanny
@vehiclenanny Жыл бұрын
Thanks for setting up this interview, Tim. Kevin did a nice job highlighting the key attributes of the 2.7L. It would be smart for Chevrolet marketing to integrate that in their ads, website, online brochures, etc. It's interesting too that the HO version is more than just a special tune of the base engine. The added structure to the block is impressive.
@drodNY
@drodNY Жыл бұрын
Great interview. The 2.7 on my 23 Sierra 1500 definitely drives like a much larger engine. Doesn't break a sweat whether on the highway or curvy mountain roads. Coming from a Denali 6.2 engine a few years ago, I was hesitant about getting the 2.7 turbo but after watchin this video I pulled the trigger and couldn't be happier. The 2.7 has made a believer out of me.. thanks for sharing. And thanks to Kevin Luchansky for designing such a great motor.
@LelandHenry-wj7jv
@LelandHenry-wj7jv 6 ай бұрын
Is was 11 months ago. I’ve been wondering if the 2.7 turbo max is a good or bad engine. Just wondering thinking about getting one at the end of the year.
@ericthompson3551
@ericthompson3551 5 ай бұрын
Your turdo is sweating about 18,000 rpm’s . Everything under the hood is exposed to more heat.
@Glipsnarp
@Glipsnarp 3 ай бұрын
​@@ericthompson3551Truck runs fine. I run a fleet of them. Almost always max payload. No issues
@Hapalong
@Hapalong 2 ай бұрын
What is you MPG?
@wayneeden98
@wayneeden98 Жыл бұрын
That motor has got one hell of a crazy ass cam and along with the electric controllers on the fuel injectors from 4 cylinders down to 2 cylinders and that motor can still maintain normal driving status, that is some crazy intelligence, apparently it all works
@brettryan3298
@brettryan3298 Жыл бұрын
This GM 2.7 Turbo is like straight from a dream that I had from 1986 as to what the ideal 1/2 ton truck engine should be.
@AriePharmD
@AriePharmD Жыл бұрын
I’m sold on the 2.7 HO because of interviews with Kevin Luchansky.
@sandshark5584
@sandshark5584 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been able to drive multiple Silverados with the 2.7 both towing and regular driving and it really is quite good. I’ve never had complaints from any of my customers and especially towing, I’d pick the 2.7 over the 5.3 all day. If you haven’t driven it, I’d highly suggest you do because it’s fun. I actually think it’s a shame it’s not available in the LTZ and High Country as well because that would be a great engine at much lower cost and weight.
@gearhead996
@gearhead996 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input. I'm considering a Silverado with this engine.
@sandshark5584
@sandshark5584 Жыл бұрын
@@gearhead996 especially with the rebates right now specifically for that engine, it’s the most cost effective way to go too. It’ll sound different, but if you think of how it actually drives, you won’t care.
@alanmorrison3598
@alanmorrison3598 Жыл бұрын
Will the 2.7 turbo go 250k? I doubt it. I have a 5.3 2013 Silverado and Tahoe. Love this engine if the AFM was gone although as yet no issues.
@sandshark5584
@sandshark5584 Жыл бұрын
@@alanmorrison3598 I’d be willing to bet money it will. I’ve talked to engineers on testing reliability during production and the 2.7 was one of the most reliable engines they’ve ever tested. It was built to be a truck engine for sure, not a “eco turbo 4 cylinder.
@markweaks2239
@markweaks2239 Жыл бұрын
Im interested in this outcome. What motivated the smaller engines is still a question, because really, can a small engine last? Especially, if you Turbo a small engine, will it wear out sooner? Can it mitigate absorbtion and dissipation of heat and withstand extremes in freezing temps? Will the gaskets go out sooner from warpage? Im skeptical. Very.
@nm-qt2hb
@nm-qt2hb Жыл бұрын
Being a Ford man for all my life. I have love the Colorado for years. Maybe the Ranger Raptor will change my opinion on what truck I like? The Ford 2.3 is small and the early blocks cracked between the bores at the top of the block. I appreciate all the engineering GM put into this design. I will push back on the water cooled turbo. Ford went with water cooled turbos on 1985 on most 2.3s. Chrysler changed over around the same time. The big diesel took forever to upgrade to water cooled. I do feel this is best turbo 4 cylinder engine for durability out there right now. As a Ford forever guy it's not easy to admit. As a engine building, it's an honest opinion. Great job.
@Resistculturaldecline
@Resistculturaldecline Жыл бұрын
The 2.7 ford is a good engine, not perfect but pretty good. The 2.7 chevy, it's yet to be seen. The short block is fine, I have no qualms about the block/crank/rods/pistons. It's all the complexity of systems that will the weak link after 100k miles.
@live4mac
@live4mac Жыл бұрын
I loved this video and the depth of knowledge. I'm on a waitlist for a 2023 ZR2 order and seeing the robustness and thoughtful design of this motor has me even more excited knowing that this truck should have a very long life ahead of it. I've been looking into what people with previous gen ZR2 typically do for mods and it seems like chevy really addressed a lot of the complaints of the previous gen, including being a little under powered and a revised transmission. I've never been a huge chevy fan but I think that they nailed it with the new colorado!
@Ltrebels
@Ltrebels 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for all your explanations about how and why a turbo 4 cylinder. I was skeptical but will have to give it a try. I have 280,000 miles on my 1997 CK 1500 with a 4.3 L V6 and still daily drive it. I’m all about efficiency. Thank you.
@danpaulus9462
@danpaulus9462 Жыл бұрын
Simply one of the best interviews and explanations I've ever watched. Kevin, you are very good at explaining complexity in understandable terms. Tim, you had stellar questions tee'd up. I'd be remiss if I didn't say this video is heavily tilting me to the Canyon application.
@AriePharmD
@AriePharmD Жыл бұрын
Really appreciate Kevin Luchansky’s very informative presentation. Some of my fears have been alleviated. Really liked the comparison to the 8 liter big block. I hope this 2.7 liter is long lasting.
@mini2nut67
@mini2nut67 Жыл бұрын
I like this dude. An engineer who can talk in layman’s terms. Give this guy a raise!
@todddembsky8321
@todddembsky8321 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Tim and Kevin, this was a wonderful presentation. The extra webbing on the block, the ladder frame on the low end, and the extra cooling jacket with an electronic water pump. Each one of those upgrades over even turbos from 5 years ago, will greatly enhance durability and reduce cylinder head warping. I love the water-cooled turbine spindle, I remember all too well the days when you would park after a spirited run and have to idle the engine a while to keep the oil from coking around the bearings. (Replaced two turbos in a 900 Saab Turbo from oil coking and shearing the turbine shaft) Thank you -- excellent vid. Now my next question is -- do you make a marine version of this engine -- 454 performance out of a 2.7. Perfect for I/Os and V drives. 🙂🚤
@ronpoulin337
@ronpoulin337 13 күн бұрын
Tim / Kevin just watch on KZbin on my TV. Tim I watch all the time and will be ordering my Cayon AT4X at the end of Oct hoping the 2025 are available. But wanted to say this has to be the best video I have seen very informational. One thing I got is oil to use 5w - 30 with the 2.7 thanks watched it twice so I could take notes. This help finalize my choice.
@dpmo202
@dpmo202 Ай бұрын
I just got a 24 Custom 2.7l Turbo for my first truck! im so glad i could get all the features i need and 4 x 4 with the same towing capacity as the v8 models. I have been loving Every moment of driving this truck
@dpmo202
@dpmo202 Ай бұрын
also gotta love those turbo noises!
@SwineyB
@SwineyB Жыл бұрын
Great video, I am excited about this truck! After seeing TFL's video and now this one I am impressed by Mr. Luchansky's knowledge and willingness to answer these questions. Great insight!
@sjmk1967
@sjmk1967 Жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2023 Trail Boss with the 2.7, thank you for answering about the type of fuel to run in it. I have been wasting my money 😢
@Glipsnarp
@Glipsnarp 3 ай бұрын
If you have shell Vpower around you, run that. No ethanol
@todd4468
@todd4468 9 ай бұрын
Had one of the original 2.7’s and just picked up another. It’s a great engine and not at all like the 4 bangers of the past.
@wayneeden98
@wayneeden98 Жыл бұрын
General motors people, I found my answer to how the turbo intake air breather system works, on some of the other videos I've been looking at it this time, and didn't realize it, this video just showed me, now I see how the engine gets it's life breathing wind,
@MIIIB
@MIIIB Жыл бұрын
....and yes the fuel question was finally answered!!! 87 octane
@frotobaggins7169
@frotobaggins7169 Жыл бұрын
I think what we have learned over the years is yes, you can "match" the power of the big block but over time, the larger, simpler engine will continue to perform, will cost less to maintain and in 20 years, parts availability of the small engine will be nil. Most trucks will get abused, longevity will be a problem. Ford has experienced that with the eco boost.
@tristonarmstrong4617
@tristonarmstrong4617 Жыл бұрын
Ive got two 4 bangers.. 1, my kia rio.. and my GMC Sierra.. The GMC plants me in my seat almost instantly.. The rio, not even a comparison. Just like the rest of tech and engineering, everything gets smaller and more efficient as innovation progresses
@Benjamin911ish
@Benjamin911ish Жыл бұрын
Wish he would have addressed the potential carbon buildup from a direct injection engine such as this. Has GM done anything to mitigate this issue?
@arturoolvera2604
@arturoolvera2604 Жыл бұрын
Before this I was scratching my head about why the 6-cylinder engine was dropped. Kevin made an excellent job describing the why's and listing the benefits.
@EBIndy
@EBIndy 10 ай бұрын
Yet the fuel economy is worse. Kevin would have a much stronger case if the fuel economy was 15-25% better. Instead it has lower EPA ratings than the V6 colorado even with 2 less cylinders, less parasitic losses & the ability to run on 2 cylinders.
@danielbonner8309
@danielbonner8309 10 ай бұрын
​@@EBIndyIt's not worse. Instead just slightly better. You mentioned the Colorado but I have 2 Silverados, A 2015 with the 4.3 and a 23 with the 2.7. With pretty even city/highway I've always been around 19 mpgs with the 4.3. With 2.7 I'm at about 2O. I feel like Turbos are all about how you drive them. They are quick and fun and you naturally want to feel that boost but if you drive it like that your mpgs are going to drop.
@robpetry84
@robpetry84 6 ай бұрын
This is awesome info. Hat's off to Kevin. I just bought a Colorado Trail Boss with the trailering package. 7,700lbs towing with a "midsize" truck is nuts!!!
@patrickderubis4527
@patrickderubis4527 6 күн бұрын
Just bought a 2024 GMC Canyon AT4. Love the video.
@coldnorthAK
@coldnorthAK Жыл бұрын
A lot better explanation than the dealer.
@jayray274
@jayray274 Жыл бұрын
I’d be more concerned with the 8speed especially after the last Gen issues, than I would turbo reliability.
@hectortoledo5914
@hectortoledo5914 Жыл бұрын
The 8 speed on my HO sucks
@BowTied69
@BowTied69 Жыл бұрын
It's a second gen that is supposed to address the major issues. Hopefully they were successful.
@jayray274
@jayray274 Жыл бұрын
@@BowTied69 It’s GM….I’ll play the wait and see card.
@johnmcmullen456
@johnmcmullen456 Жыл бұрын
@@hectortoledo5914 Ford's truck 10 speed is also miserable.
@joalyincontroly4379
@joalyincontroly4379 Жыл бұрын
I had a 2019 ZR2 with the issue but they fixed it in one hour with a trans flush and newly engineered trans fluid. Drove it for another 20K after that and the problem was completely gone. Then I traded into a new 2022 ZR2 and the transmission was flawless from the start and still is perfect. I'll have my 2023 ZR2 in about 2 months and I'm not even slightly worried about the transmission as they've made it even better since then and all the review guys are saying it's beautifully paired with the 2.7. Just my thoughts.
@sjmk1967
@sjmk1967 Жыл бұрын
I have 2 problems with my 2023 Siverado Trail Boss, one is the volume cuts out on all sources on the interface while in use all of a sudden. The second is the steering column cover keeps coming apart when you drop it in drive. The dealer knows about these problems and is going to work on them for me. Other than that, the 2.7 has plenty of power and speed. My old truck was a 2008 Ram 2500 5.7 Hemi in which I towed a large utility trailer packed with tools and materials for contracting. I was skeptical of buying this truck but am so far pleasantly surprised. I didn't buy this to work out of other than traveling, towing a camper, boat and sure it will do the job! Gas mileage so far has been stellar compared to the Ram.
@twotrackjack2260
@twotrackjack2260 Жыл бұрын
One tiny quibble for the gm engineer, my uncle bought a 2500 Sierra 4x4 in 2004 with the 8.1 and a 6 Speed Allison transmission, not the 4l80
@williampacey9194
@williampacey9194 Жыл бұрын
Great video, just purchased a 2023 Colorado LT so it was nice to see all the engineering that went into the 2.7 turbo engine. I just purchased it so haven’t done anything yet but city and hwy driving but will be pulling my fishing boat (2000 lb) which this engine should handle effortlessly. Thanks for this information.
@great0789
@great0789 Жыл бұрын
I just recently towed an RV across country, down the west coast, and back again with the V6 in my 18' Colorado. It was an AWESOME tow vehicle. We will be needing a second tow vehicle in the next couple of years. I think I might now where I will be shopping. I cannot imagine a 75% tq increase @ 3k rpms!!! I kept my rpms below 3,500 for the whole trip. This is gonna be a towing beast.
@SM-og9pt
@SM-og9pt Жыл бұрын
I had been staying away from gm trucks due to AFM/DFM issues. Hoping the 2.7 can rebuild their track record.
@guardrail2897
@guardrail2897 Жыл бұрын
GM should have stuck with the 4.3 and developed it with more power. By far it's the best motor they've built.
@Slane583
@Slane583 9 ай бұрын
The 4.3, though great, was old and in-efficient. Adding more power to it wouldn't fix the efficiency problem. If you want to blame someone blame the EPA. As much as people dislike GM at times they have to follow all of the bs the EPA tells them to.
@guardrail2897
@guardrail2897 9 ай бұрын
@@Slane583 It had better MPGs than the new 2.7 turbo 4 cyl.
@Slane583
@Slane583 9 ай бұрын
@@guardrail2897 I'm just relaying what I've read in recent years. That's the main excuse they give when they stop making proven engines that have been made for years. The EPA sticks their nose where it doesn't belong as always and raises the bar even higher for efficiency requirements. They're coming up with unrealistic efficiency requirements to slowly boot combustion engines off the market and to force people into EV's so they have more control over your vehicle than they already have now. But those of us who are capable of thinking on our own don't want EV's and aren't drinking the government kool-aid.
@collinator68
@collinator68 Жыл бұрын
If they really want to exceed my expectations, they would make a 4.2L direct injected turbo inline 6 cylinder similar in design to that 2.7 turbo 4 cylinder.
@ML-lg4ky
@ML-lg4ky Жыл бұрын
500HP!
@dmag1234
@dmag1234 Жыл бұрын
People complaining about the AFM dont know anything about engines. The 2.7 is DOHC, meaning it doesnt have lifters, which was the problem with AFM in the V8s.
@SkylarGeerMusician
@SkylarGeerMusician 9 күн бұрын
Got a 2023 Chevy Colorado trail boss. Was great til 40k miles. Have had transmission issues since. Shifting rough. Misfiring off idle. Auto start stop coming out of it very rough. GMC dealer said the wiring harness failed. Changed that. Fixed nothing. Still having issues They can’t figure it out. Truck runs fine outside of that. Very odd. Curious about the gas. I’ve always used 91 premium in my trucks. They’ve always ran better. But maybe with this one as Kevin stated 87 is the way to go. However I live in Utah and that’s not an option. We have 91/88/85 lol Maybe 88 Think I’ll try that direction a few fill ups and see if it helps. Might be too little too late
@daveguy2242
@daveguy2242 Жыл бұрын
Great evaluation of the 2.7 turbo, might be interested
@avi-tar2827
@avi-tar2827 Жыл бұрын
I can't help but think that GM's investment in Saab over 25 years ago is paying dividends still. The B235R, developed in the late '90s, and fielded into the late 2000's, could produce 305 HP and 420Nm of torque from 2.3L of displacement from a "square" (90/90mm stroke/bore) design, port injection and a pretty simple turbo setup. Boost hits pretty low and torque holds out to extra-legal speeds in most situations and not in a tire-shredding way. It's a just a goodly shove down the road towards Officer Friendly's Performance Award Book, if you let things get blurry. I just hope that all the tech keeps together. With the B235s you have ignition module issues (they died roasting on the top of the head) and spark plugs tended to wear out faster when you spent a lot of time in ~+1atm boost territory. I personally see similar maintenance issues with other +psi engines like VAG's 2.0T series. It's great technology but power density will test every single part over time. As long as the engineers can find the weaknesses as they continue to boost power density, we're all in for some good rides...
@Velkanis
@Velkanis Жыл бұрын
this really amuses me that both teams for the 3.0 LM2 and the 2.7 L3B where aimed in the same path of pushing the envelope but in very different manners! i find most funny is that LM2 went mechanical water pump with the diverter valve and the L3B has the electric water pump instead, 2 sides to the same problem of temperature management answered differently to the same degree of success
@clandfaf
@clandfaf Жыл бұрын
One major point will be cost of ownership over the life of the engines between the V6 the 2.7T and the big block they were talking about. I plan on going all in on the 2023 Elevation AWD 0 other upgrades upgraded paint thats it and trading in a 2022 Buick envison St like 3,600 miles on it hopefully I don't get bent over lol.
@chadgodfrey4364
@chadgodfrey4364 Жыл бұрын
Well thanks Tim for asking the question about the cylinder deactivation I understand it’s efficient but GM has difficulties in that area my 6.2liter and the lifters have been changed three times in less than 60,000 miles But I get it thanks for helpful insight
@Brutemandave
@Brutemandave Жыл бұрын
The 2.7 has 3 sets of cam lobes on each cam. The cylinder deactivation is achieved by sliding the cam back and forth.
@Day-dreamer488
@Day-dreamer488 9 ай бұрын
@@Brutemandave would a afm disable device be recommended for the 2.7?
@Brutemandave
@Brutemandave 9 ай бұрын
This isn't the traditional lifter style AFM you are thinking of. I would never disable the cams ability to move on a 2.7@@Day-dreamer488
@alanmorrison3598
@alanmorrison3598 Жыл бұрын
Kevin you are a gem and I hope this engine runs as long as it does strong..but if history and common sense serve, it won't! By the way, the Vega was the original application for the old iron head, aluminum block SOHC 2.3l disaster GM released back in 1971, not the Monza./ The Monza, unfortunately also sported this engine. Anyway, GM's 5.3l V8 with AFM has had lifter/cam issues as I'm sure you are aware. Class action suit is on going. Your turbo eco-tec engines are a mess. Then there's the "Hemi-tick" with Chysler/Stalantis. Ford's eco-boost has also been plagued with issues to numerous to mention. The new Toyota Tundra twin turbo V6 has waste gate issues! Everyone seems to have issues with phasers, phaser solenoids etc. having to do with VVT. By the way my 1984 Dodge 32:00 Daytona Turbo had a oil fed and liquid cooled turbo but the waste gate linkage failed at about 100k. Kevin don't be discouraged but I really wish you had taken the V6 and incorporated all the great ideas other than the turbo from this 2.7l 4 banger and optimized the engine as best you could for performance and the longest life possible. 4 cylinder engines even with balance shafts, vacuum motor mounts and every NVH feature you can throw at them still have the sound of a 4 banger..No getting around it. What percentage of your customers use their vehicles for rock climbing? Will the 2.7l turbo really deliver better mileage than an NA V6 if driven hard? Will it last longer? I doubt it. GM over the decades, has a bad habit of using it's customers for the final endurance test as do other makes but not to the same extent.
@renevelez9444
@renevelez9444 Жыл бұрын
Great video on the 2.7L Turbo. Only thing I would of loved to hear on this vid was Direct Port Injection. Carbon build up and maintenance.
@calebniederhofer6529
@calebniederhofer6529 7 ай бұрын
I do no understand not having dual port injection either. Carbon build up is not a big deal though, you just need to have it serviced, cleaned at 75k
@jpete3027666
@jpete3027666 3 ай бұрын
@@calebniederhofer6529agree but it would still be best to include port injection so you never need to worry about it
@calebniederhofer6529
@calebniederhofer6529 3 ай бұрын
@@jpete3027666 I am a big fan of Fords 2.7L and own that myself.
@ALMX5DP
@ALMX5DP Жыл бұрын
Dang that intercooler is pretty big. Love that it’s the same core as the half tons.
@justinproffitt6149
@justinproffitt6149 Жыл бұрын
This engine technology is great! Love this engine. I have the 3.5L Ecoboost and love it for towing and daily driving. It'd be great to see a deep dive on Ford's 2.7L and/or 3.5L Ecoboost engines. Thanks Tim!
@B86432
@B86432 Жыл бұрын
Would compare maybe to fords 2.7 Ecoboost but that's a V6 & hence better
@donrichter3523
@donrichter3523 Жыл бұрын
You didn’t actually watch the video did you?
@steveknight9254
@steveknight9254 Жыл бұрын
Tim Thanks for some very informative info directly from GM what’s not to like about this engine? It makes more torque than the Diesel, more HP than the old V-6 gasser and is lighter and is comparable to a big block. Amazing! Some may bash it saying it is more complicated than a normally aspirated v-8 but turbos have been around for a long time in diesels and at this stage I think we’ve got them figured out. When some people say NO IT HAS TO BE A V-8! I can’t help to think it’s based on old thinking as Kevin says in some cases 50 year old thinking. Technology has advanced with CFD and even oil technology. Congratulations to GM and Kevin’s department, I personally think GM knocked it out of the park with this engine. The other thing I wanted to say is I understand why GM eliminated the diesel , this engine makes more horsepower and torque than the diesel and it simplifies their assembly and production coasts AND it has the added benefit of reliability. The emission systems on modern diesels are fragile and problematic and the maintenance costs are higher on the diesel (gm charges 20$/hr more for duramax maintenance) in my books it’s a win all around. Sure some people are going to whine about how noisy this engine is when you stomp on it but if you drive it like a diesel I’m willing to bet that the torque will do the work without the need to shift it down. That is how I drive my diesel and I love the torque and this engine makes bags of torque down low. No , when driven practically I bet this is a very refined engine. I’ll be all over getting one of these in my driveway!
@JR-pd9xz
@JR-pd9xz 3 ай бұрын
just purchased GMC Canyon 2024 2.7 turbo engine last week - - My canyon oil temperature sits around 216 - 226F when driving - is that normal?
@ZeroPlanB
@ZeroPlanB Жыл бұрын
I really wish small diesel engines were not only more common but cheaper in mid size and full size trucks kinda like in Europe
@jeffsandberg8874
@jeffsandberg8874 Жыл бұрын
I loved hearing this engineer talk about the 2.7L. The new Colorado/Canyon really seem to be my dream truck. The problem is there are so many issues with these new trucks. Roof dents with little pressure (can't go thru a car wash) Pieces are falling off. Electronic glitches. Emergency braking for no reason. Windshield not installed properly. List goes on. I'm pulling for GM and these trucks but not very encouraging overall so far...
@JohnSmith-ev1sm
@JohnSmith-ev1sm Жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic interview, thanks very much to you both!
@JJJ5.7
@JJJ5.7 Жыл бұрын
I like the benefits of the turbos just a little hesitant on the durability and reliability. Seems like ford has largely worked out bugs in the 3.5. I'm seeing people with 200k miles on the 3.5. The gm 2.7 seems reliable. Curious about durability. How many miles to people have on these now.
@jda4879
@jda4879 Жыл бұрын
Reliability sucks with the 2.7 I have put 67k on mine multiple trips to the service department now cylinder 3 is misfiring and trans issues stay far away from it!!!!!
@Christdeliverme
@Christdeliverme Жыл бұрын
Other mods for this engine. Additional port fuel on top of DI, and Flex Fuel from the factory
@spindabear
@spindabear Жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone doubts the power and efficiency of turbo 4s, it's just reliability that scares everyone. But I think the best reasoning I heard is from the GM haters, saying it couldn't be worse than the 8 speed transmissions, or 6L80e transmissions, or the lifters on the early cylinder shut off 5.3's.
@michaellopour7409
@michaellopour7409 Жыл бұрын
Great conversation, appreciate hearing the truth rather than swatting away stale rumor after stale internet rumor.
@codygriffin4225
@codygriffin4225 7 ай бұрын
Could be interesting to see if wet sleeve design could be integrated into this block
@deltabravo1257
@deltabravo1257 Жыл бұрын
7:15 He mentions a 4 speed and 4:11 gears. GM uses 4:10 gear ratio. Yes, it like splitting hairs. Also, as far as I recall, the 8.1 in a Silverado was also mated to the 5 or 6 speed Allison transmission… the same as what the Duramax of that era used.
@Christdeliverme
@Christdeliverme Жыл бұрын
Ok Kevin sounds great! Let us know when the I-6 is out 😊
@number1pappy
@number1pappy 11 ай бұрын
My first reaction to this engine was frankly laughter! Lots of laughter! However, after actually researching, my attitude has changed a little bit. The true test for me will be seeing if a majority of the 2.7 turbos make it past 200000 miles without a major repair with proper maintenance, of course. I currently can't find any info on 2.7 turbos with 200000 trouble-free miles yet. If anyone has info on this subject, I'd appreciate it. I'm honestly interested, I'm just not totally sold on it yet.
@Day-dreamer488
@Day-dreamer488 9 ай бұрын
few have 125k+ and no issues
@Slane583
@Slane583 9 ай бұрын
I've had my 2020 Silverado for three years as a lease vehicle and so far I like the turbo-4 a lot. But because it WAS a lease vehicle and we decided to continue paying on it it still has very low miles. So I can't judge on its' long term reliability. The only other truck I wanted as a replacement if I did return it to the dealer was another Silverado with the 3.0l Duramax. Sadly the only one the dealer had in stock was $80K which was way out of my price range. So staying with what I had was the cheapest route. From here on out the best thing I can do to make it last besides standard maintenance is to just run the best oil and filter I can get my hands on. I've also been running Marvels Mystery Oil in my gas for the past few months to keep the fueling system lubricated. I haven't noticed anything weird and it operates perfectly fine so I'm going to stick with it. I'll also be running some MMO in the oil as well next oil change. :)
@zxej6879
@zxej6879 Жыл бұрын
I almost bought a Silverado with this engine. The turbo having a dual flow path is a good thing to me. But a VGT feature for the engine breaking would be a plus for mountain driving and towing. The lack of real 4wd was the deal breaker for me.
@Brutemandave
@Brutemandave Жыл бұрын
You can get the 2 speed transfer case on different trims.
@zxej6879
@zxej6879 Жыл бұрын
@@Brutemandave Call me cheap. But I usually buy the more basic vehicles. Even though my credit score and income qualify me to buy any vehicle on the lot. I consider 4wd something a more basic item a vehicle should have available. I don't need or want remote start, leather seats, or many other options. 4wd I only use once in a while, and maybe for only a few feet. But I need it when I need it. I will not pay $40k, $50k or $60k for a vehicle without it.
@thomasmcghee2468
@thomasmcghee2468 Жыл бұрын
@@zxej6879 Trailboss comes with 2 speed transfer case which is available in both custom or LT trims
@Day-dreamer488
@Day-dreamer488 9 ай бұрын
what do you mean "real" 4wd? i just bought one these is why with 4wd
@Slane583
@Slane583 9 ай бұрын
@@Day-dreamer488 I think he means "real" as in terms of engaging the 4wd with manual levers instead of electric push buttons. Other than that the 4wd on my 2020 Silverado seems real to me. It hates turning into parking spots at low speeds if you don't give it enough throttle. You can feel the wheel chatter of the lockers being engaged. So I don't know how much more "real" you can get other than manual engagement for everything.
@SEO122
@SEO122 Жыл бұрын
4 cylinder engine in a full-sized pickup truck that also deactivates 2 cylinders by design. Wonderful, a 1.35L twin moving a truck - what could possibly go wrong with that? Then to learn the fuel economy is no better than the 5.3L LS in my 2000 Sierra 1500 Z71! It passes emissions, that's about it...
@terrencejones9817
@terrencejones9817 Жыл бұрын
I've driven this engine plenty of times. It does make good torque, but you definitely feel the higher RPM torque drop off. You really don't want to Rev this engine past 4500rpm. It's damn near a diesel in power delivery.
@markusmcgee
@markusmcgee Жыл бұрын
best video yet. I had questions on this engine (sleeves, open/closed deck etc). Sounds sturdy.
@davidbridges8402
@davidbridges8402 Жыл бұрын
Will the 2.7. Last 300,000 miles like the V-8. Asking for a friend
@gnfanatic9139
@gnfanatic9139 Жыл бұрын
I remember the positive and impressive reviews of the 1.4 Eco Turbo engine. Worst engine I ever had. Hopefully the 2.7 does not have the same stupid issues that I had.
@JJJ5.7
@JJJ5.7 Жыл бұрын
Also why did GM put cylinder deactivation in a 4 cylinder? Seems like added complexity with minimal benefit.
@wilmarbarrick3194
@wilmarbarrick3194 Жыл бұрын
Did you watch?
@JJJ5.7
@JJJ5.7 Жыл бұрын
Sure did, about 25 minutes of it. Then watched the last 5 and got my answer. I'm glad tim asked because I posted question on his previous 2.7 turbo vid. This sounds like an interesting engine. Not sure i like cylinder deactivation on a 4 cylinder. I hope gm learned their lesson from the lifter problems related to cylinder deactivation they're having with the 6.2.
@DKLabs99
@DKLabs99 8 ай бұрын
I don’t believe it’s the same thing as the v8’s regarding how they deactivate cylinders.
@Glipsnarp
@Glipsnarp 3 ай бұрын
​@@JJJ5.7no lifters
@jamesgeorge4874
@jamesgeorge4874 Жыл бұрын
Silly to compare an 8100, to a 2.7, the 8100 was not available in any platform smaller than a 2500 HD, and the 2.7 isn't available in any 2500 HD or larger, because it isn't enough engine. Also, the 8100 can trace its roots all the way back to 1966.
@keithm7087
@keithm7087 Жыл бұрын
I would think that the protection provided by the oil is more of a contributing factor in engine protection from wear rather than the parts themselves.
@rondail5675
@rondail5675 Жыл бұрын
The 2.7 4cyl seems to be good. My concern is longevity.
@matthewholzmueller6292
@matthewholzmueller6292 Жыл бұрын
I like a lot about this engine. The only thing that I don't like is lack if sealing surface between cylinders. This looks like a high stress area for head gaskets to blow out. I would like to hear what the engineer has to say about loading the head gasket compared to other engines.
@philtittle5618
@philtittle5618 Жыл бұрын
On the TFL video he said they tested it running it wide open for weeks. Not sure, but I would think that would test the head gaskets to the max.
@neiljuedes1661
@neiljuedes1661 5 ай бұрын
I will wait a couple of years before even thinking about purchasing a vehicle with this engines. I’m betting that there will be turbo issues in the 60-80,000 mile range if they are towing a heavy trailer or a pontoon that has a lot of window resistance !
@rickg2589
@rickg2589 14 күн бұрын
They have been out since 2019 and ask any GM service tech about this 2.7 failures compared to the 5.3
@mak450
@mak450 Жыл бұрын
Dangit, I was hoping you might ask him why GM is so stingy with the 2 speed transfer cases! But in all seriousness, this was informative and not boring, pretty cool.
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he's an engine guy not in marketing. I have tons of questions for marketing especially how they package certain options together.
@andysteward8617
@andysteward8617 Жыл бұрын
Look, nobody’s doubting these 2.7’s are powerful, or quiet, or lighter, and that they have better emission numbers. What people are saying, is, will this engine hold together for five, ten, fifteen, twenty years down the road, not just during the short period of factory warranty. Past performance of GM’s small turbocharged engines says NO!!!!
@Pickuptrucktalk
@Pickuptrucktalk Жыл бұрын
Well they have been out for 5 years already, so you can check that out off your list.
@EBIndy
@EBIndy 10 ай бұрын
My issue is why isn’t the fuel economy dramatically better? Fords 2.7 Ecoboost gets 3-4 mpg better with a heavier block, old school design, 2 more cylinders & more horsepower.
@josephharvey5742
@josephharvey5742 Жыл бұрын
GM recommends Top Tier for their diesel engines knowing the almost no company has it available.
@jaylee8542
@jaylee8542 Жыл бұрын
I get 27 mpg out of my pentastar V^. How is that worse than the sub 20mpg that the 2.7 gets?
@2012listo
@2012listo Жыл бұрын
Kevin, Why don't we get that engine in the Camaro? I'm waiting on it so I can have my convertible, automatic "ice cream car". I'm that age now and ready for my old-man ride. Silver or gold, please.
@ericj810
@ericj810 Жыл бұрын
I got a 2022 refresh Silverado with the 2.7 HO. The engine is just a beast. Pull strong and hard. Puts ya ass in the back seat at almost half throttle. Pulls 8000lbs camper over mountains like butter. Just sayin.
@Ultratron100
@Ultratron100 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating and informative video. Clearly, GM is behind this big push to sell the 2.7 to the public. Like it or not, these smaller engines are the future for most trucks. GM, like everyone else, have to meet ever more stringent emission standards (It's why HD canned the evo Sportster).
@duggydo
@duggydo Жыл бұрын
Engines are just air pumps. Turbos and superchargers can make a small engine feel really big.
@VLK-73
@VLK-73 Жыл бұрын
The tech is very impressive, but how about the most important feature, which is reliability? Sure you can take a small displacement engine and pump it up with power.....but how long is it going to last?
@sartainja
@sartainja Жыл бұрын
Loyal GM owner but do not have any faith in this new engine and it turbocharger. Where will Kevin be in 10 years when customers’ turbos burn up and the engine is rattling like a pea sheller?
@nrken1
@nrken1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info on this engine, now I want one 👍🏾
@ALMX5DP
@ALMX5DP Жыл бұрын
And weird they’re moving from composite to aluminum oil pan. Might add a couple pounds but if it’s cheaper to manufacturer and more robust sounds like a win win.
@ProbeGT2
@ProbeGT2 Жыл бұрын
Aluminium oil pan will pull a lot more heat from the oil than the composite one. I'm pretty sure there is an air scoop to the oil pan to keep the oil cooler.
@ALMX5DP
@ALMX5DP Жыл бұрын
@@ProbeGT2 oh good point, yeah I always thought the move to plastic was just cost cutting but sounds like they made it cost effective here to go the other way and reaping the benefits that it can bring along with it.
@icare7151
@icare7151 Жыл бұрын
Very well stated. Thank you Tim!
@stevecibolo7725
@stevecibolo7725 Жыл бұрын
Curious about the longevity of the engine, also the lack of better mileage same as 5.3 ?
@jda4879
@jda4879 Жыл бұрын
Longevity sucks I have 67k on my 2021 multiple trips to the dealership right now cylinder 3 is misfiring and getting all kinds of codes
@randyipsen
@randyipsen 4 ай бұрын
They talked about the engine being designed for 87 octane fuel. The Costcos in the Salt Lake City area only sell 2 grades- 85 and 91. I have to run premium because I refuse to put 85 octane fuel in my truck. I don’t know why Costco does this in salt lake. I know they have 87 octane in southern Utah. Costco needs to wise up and standardize their fuel. It’s annoying.
@peterdaniel66
@peterdaniel66 Жыл бұрын
I’ll reserve my opinion when I see the 2.7 go 300,000 miles.
@danielclark5170
@danielclark5170 Жыл бұрын
The argument made here is similar to when GM had the 292 I6 and Ford had the 300 I6. Bothe were known for their torque and being able to pull heavy loads like a V8
@SantiagoPATube
@SantiagoPATube Жыл бұрын
Kevin mentioned at the end, about the Colorado having Instantaneous Fuel Economy Read out. I have this on my Jeep GC and can’t live without it. He said you can even migrate it to the center screen. Can you please do a video on this for Colorado or in my case the new Canyon AT4 or Denali.
@erikwilson9498
@erikwilson9498 Жыл бұрын
very informative!
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