EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Victim of Chris Reed SPEAKS OUT, "He told me he wished he could marry me..."

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

HER PUBLIC STATEMENT IS HERE IN FULL DETAIL: drive.google.com/file/d/1DJKwJAaffdUXlgQQSXKm3o39zmGCzpeM/view

[@faithworks217]

She sure has been through a lot and it is beautiful to see how Jesus has never abandoned her, even when she participated in causing her hardships. I can say the same about myself in regards to the latter.

[@john4226]

@WakeUpandWinPodcast Such a powerful, beautiful, and inspiring testimony. Thank you Catherine Hope De Vido for living up to your name and for fighting the good fight of faith and laying ahold of eternal life. God's love covers a multitude of sins. Our own and those of others. Thanks for your example of looking to Jesus rather than getting bitter resentful and vindictive.

[@faithworks217]

@@wisdomknowledgelover6293 No if about it.

[@EBGage]

Now it is only right and fair before God to have C.R. & Missy on your show to share. There is not only 'just' Catherine's side to this. There is almost always the part on the female side in the way one talks, dresses, and looks(with the eyes) has alot to do with swaying the man...the other small percentage is that it is initiated by the man no doubt(MAYBE) this was the case with C.R. However, what is heard about 'just' the 'touching' and kissing...she allowed 'that' to continue...she 'did not have to 'allow' those 2 things to continue. She could have gone to someone to share to get this nipped right at the beginning.

[@EBGage]

Even though Catherine says she did not 'mean' any 'ill will' when she opened up to the reporter...she should be able to see how she 'really' even though 'not' willingly aided in bringing him down' even though she did NOT mean to...& even if it would happen with someone else 'down the timeline'. She is still somewhat responsible for his fall. Catherine is an excellent communicator and she sounds good with all that she says about what she knows and I think she knows this truly in her mind, but she has more healing to do...but there is no reason to ' 'glorify' this just because of where she has been in her past. Her past has alot to do with how she was a stumbling block to him (and left his family in the mud). BUT her will to turn to God (rebirth of Catherine) and everything that she shared about the sessions with the women that were helping her and others...she was tracking right. She talks about God 'wrecking' her and her falling on her face before The Lord so much...this 'should' be 'intense warfare' and 'this plus'... should have been enough to keep her straight & enough to continue 'IN love' with Jesus to know that she in her 30's to understand that 'that the adulterous relationship they both engaged in'. Not only was he a predator...but she WANTED C.R. You two shared how he 'took advantage'...in this case she is really more the 1 that took advantage.

[@katabartha6453]

Though I completely disagree with what Chis did, I wouldn't say that this woman was a victim in a way. There was mutual consent involved.

[@dianairaheta1712]

Please, I implore you to educate yourself on abuse of power and clergy abuse. Read "Redeeming Power" by Dr. Diane Langberg. Look up "grooming" in the context of abuse.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Look into Clergy Sexual Abuse and explain to me how a “counselor” or “teacher” or “therapist” can utilize their position of authority to gain information and then utilize that info to make sexual advances. That is abusive and manipulative. Add in the “prophetic” side from Chris always giving her prophetic words and you have a recipe for disaster. She took responsibility even in this podcast. But we are adamantly opposed to any idea that this was an equal playing field. It’s a power player looking around for vulnerable women to cheat on his wife with. And it’s called Clergy Sexual Abuse.

[@katabartha6453]

I understand your viewpoint - and for the most part I do agree. And I also understand that she took responsibility for her own actions after what had happened, which is great. But I still think that she could have chosen to respond differently in that manipulative, messy situation as an adult. We all have a choice in every matter as Christians. As a matter of fact, God is in the business of growing up Hid children so that they can resist and/or stand up in situations like this as well. I am not pointing finger, all I am saying that in some ways it was consentual. And yes, all abuse in the church must be stopped - I am all for it!

[@happyeilsel]

@@WakeUpandWinPodcast Now you're beginning to cross a line by saying he was looking around for vulnerable women (plural) to cheat on his wife with. I'm not a follower of Chris Reed. I've seen maybe about half a dozen videos he's done. But we're not to be ignorant of satan's devices, lest satan take advantage of us.

[@MimiA-k6m]

Exactly, like be so formal! A victim??? I honestly though she was in her teens when it happened.

[@gettended]

How are you a victim if you’re making grown adults decision and you’re a grown adult? And why were you entertaining a married man the same standards that God calls him to He calls you to.

[@SweetLadyBlue1]

My thoughts exactly...where does "victim" come in to play?

[@ccbewell3304]

I think she told you why. Broken people grab hold of any words that make them feel special.

[@dfam342]

it's called spiritual abuse... clergy sexual abuse.. it's a thing, look it up

[@sherylturnerturner1352]

Men in a position of power and esteemed by many lure woman into their clutches, it's not a level playing field. Witchcraft from Reed also comes into the mix. Manipulating her from day one, giving her his phone number etc etc. The wolves always go for the weak.😒😒

[@appleofhiseye104]

Reed preyed on her vulnerability with authoritative manipulation. This is narcissistic abuse profaning God’s name.

[@SamObengA]

She is not a victim, she was not manipulated. Missy Reed WAS the victim. And please stop using CSA or SA, because those terms only apply based on age and consent. They were both consenting adults. This is 3 years ago when she was 30, about 11 years after she had been involved at Morning Star. Her mom warned her to be careful. Chris never told her he would marry her, which means they both knew this was very wrong and the relationship was going nowhere. She knew Missy and knew she was in an affair with her husband. Chris knew he was married to Missy, and his actions would break their covenant before God. The good thing is she recognized the evil and repented, then told Chris who also repented. They never had intimate relations from that point. As Christians we sin (sometimes the sin can be egregious), and no human seems to be immune. When that sin has a strong hold on you, like sexual sins tend to be, it can be immensely difficult to come out of under it without a lifeline. In this case, they were both able to come out on their own without getting caught. So at least we should believe repentance was legit on both sides. If repentance happened 3 years ago why should any of them be treated as though they are still in sin??? Where is there precedence for this in scripture??? Either we believe the blood of Jesus washes away sins (no matter how egregious) after we repent, or we don't believe His blood can do that. Should someone be limited in what they can do for God because of the types of sin they have already repented from??? Some of the books in the bible will have to be edited or taken out if this is true. As for Chris not being forthcoming, it's normal for someone to hide details about their past when they are no longer living that life they are ashamed of. What matters is they are no longer living that life.

[@j7489]

You’re absolutely correct but these people have been ideologically captured. They don’t believe women are capable of making autonomous choices and therefore aren’t responsible for their actions. I highly doubt they would be able to rationally explain why God judged Eve for sin when Satan himself deceived her. He had more authority and power than her and is an actual master manipulator and yet God held Eve accountable.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

The C stands for clergy. Clergy Sexual Abuse. It’s a thing. And if you actually do some due diligence into the topic you’ll realize that most of these women end up feeling shame AND repentance for years. They do feel responsibility! While the men go on to do the same thing to the next woman because they are “restored” right back to pastoring. It’s insane. Because many of them are victimizers. Would you believe that there are other women that have likely received this type of contact from these abusers who get outed? They basically bounce around until they find someone with a really tough past that they can give prophetic words to until they can break them down. Many women “repent” privately but stay silent for decades. Understandably because men and women treat them like crap for telling their story and often prop up the leaders as though they were the victims. It’s so mind boggling.

[@_harbinjer]

well said

[@LastDays7]

Please refrain from posting on this channel. Your opinion is not appreciated here. Thank you.

[@frenchenaganus1590]

@@WakeUpandWinPodcast You all are not equipped to minister at all in this area. This video was a waste of time. Plus, you cannot make a clear assessment when you hate Morningstar. Your judgment is clouded.

[@thechurchalivetri-state522]

Should have been wives present to interview her, not three male leaders! Totally inappropriate! Accountability is to have a woman present!!! Stop the BOYS CLUB NONSENSE!!!! This is why ministry couples need to minister together!!!!

[@faithasaseed]

Corporate church's run by Corporate males make their own rules.

[@lindalagani3351]

Yes i think they have learned a major lesson from this

[@karenbenfield6321]

@@thechurchalivetri-state522 If not a pastor’s wife, a female in a leadership position. Someone who is strategically installed and called. Sometimes pastor’s wives are not all called and equipped to lead in this capacity.

[@godsuno777]

They are both to blame.............she knew he was married. So don't attempt to leave her accountability out of the conversation.

[@tiffanychetta7840]

There is a power differential.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Two things: 1) Listen to the entire podcast and read her statement attached. 2) Research Clergy Sexual Abuse

[@rusins7]

I don’t think you paid attention because she took full responsibility for her fault in this and apologized fully for her sin.

[@JillCee]

She openly said she knew what she was doing was wrong. She takes responsibility for her actions in the interview

[@QueenBee15]

I saw this happen in my old church. You have no idea what you are saying. A wounded fragile woman being manipulated by a person in leadership and who had such power. She did take ownership and has come along way in her spiritual growth compared to the men. You will know them by their fruit.

[@frenchenaganus1590]

She only revealed the interaction with Chris after being caught with Marijuana. I truly do not see her fully as a victim. She knew Chris was married and she's a grown woman, not a little girl, who chose to meet with him privately.

[@tiffanycollins296]

These people act like they were innocent little girls. Chris is definitely not right and has admitted so, but to pretend like she's innocent and didn't know that he was married... She needs to accept responsibility for her part in it.

[@kimberly27285]

Chris was in a position of authority over her and manipulated the situation by using prophecy to initiate interactions. She never should have been put in a situation where this CSA could have developed.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Read her entire statement and listen to the video before you throw stones.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

drive.google.com/file/d/1DJKwJAaffdUXlgQQSXKm3o39zmGCzpeM/view

[@renerickman2208]

She owned her part if you listen to the interview.

[@DW-yq4zn]

Having been the “Missy” in this situation, what Kathryn says about rationalizing Chris’s behavior - we wives do the same thing. We keep rationalizing the evidence that we see, we ignore it, we hope for the best, all out of fear and trying to be the good Christian wife. . I’m thankful God gave me the wisdom to not blame the other women, because my husband was manipulating them. Let’s pray for Missy.

[@pinkparasollise9646]

Last year my longtime church decided to submit under 'Chris Reed.' I saw some worrisome Ytube videos about the way he gives a prophecy. Five months ago, God told me to leave my longtime church as He told me Chris was 'wrongly promoted.' I did office work for 35 years and saw the wrong people promoted to the wrong job. It happens.

[@LastDays7]

No prayers for Kathryn? How sick!

[@DW-yq4zn]

@@LastDays7 that’s not what I meant. I meant “also”. Why would you interpret that as “sick”?

[@lisamarie5223]

And also, I’m not trying to be harsh on the woman. But she’s not a child. Two people became interested and there was a spark and both of them sinned. . She’s completely let off the hook because Chris was in leadership. I’m sorry, but she was equally guilty.I wish her well. I’m glad her sins are under the blood of Christ with mine. But she’s guilty also.

[@watchandpray6684]

Did you listen to the entire podcast?

[@wmr4463]

As a woman who went thru a similar situation with an ex boss/business owner, I take full responsibility for my foolish actions. I made choices and so did this woman. I am only grateful that the culmination of my sin was my salvation and a 35+ year walk with the Lord.

[@astrahle7627]

I would like her to be repentant for her part in this. All this texting took two. Chris isn't all black and she isn't all white. She is getting a pass even though she has acknowledged it was wrong and participated in "discretion." Yes, she was enamored with him but as a student of the Bible as soon as she knew where he was going she should have fled. They were both guilty. But repentance and forgiveness is available for both.

[@KevinWBrown-cm6fr]

Please remember that according to the scripture the woman here is also an adulterer. So she's not a victim. So I pray that God will heal the whole situation and bring restoration

[@watchandpray6684]

She did take full responsibility, and he does bear the much greater weight due to the power differential. Did you hear her story? A woman broken from a young age coming to a ministry seeking wholeness and a "shepherd" capitalizes on her weakness instead like a wolf pounces on his weaker prey. Please wise up my friend!!! Did you listen to the whole thing?! She is coming through this bringing glory and redemption to the body of Christ-a testimony of God's grace and power.

[@selamfessahaie3454]

She is not a victim at all. Of course it’s only Chris. She was not a kid that time. She interfered in his marriage and family. She has to repent too.

[@GuyForTheJob]

Regardless of her broken past or testimony, anyone would know it is wrong to engage with a married man in the church. I don't feel right about this woman in my spirit.

[@janarogers8956]

And what did Jesus do with the women caught in the very act of adultry? “Women where are your accusers? Neither do I accuse you. Go and sin no more.” And that seems to be what she is doing so she is free indeed! Thank goodness he does the same for us all. Just as if we had never sinned. ❤ He is so good. Salvation is a free gift. It’s not based on our merit but HIS love.

[@samanthaedenjohnson7245]

She is also responsible for her part, she took responsibility and told the whole truth, and has repented as you heard and is currently walking that out. Chris Reed, on the other hand, was a shepherd, and she was part of his flock. He abused his position, his power, his responsibility, I could go on. Do not continue to abuse someone that has chosen to lay themselves bare before us. I listened to him tell his side of the story with his wife….if memory serves me correctly it was around 14 minutes and I left that performance more confused than before. He took no real responsibility nor did Rick Joyner. A lot of covering the rear ends in the public eye happening…which is wild to me as men of God because ultimately the only one who judges saw it ALL and knows their hearts. But do not attack someone taking full responsibility and telling you she’s guilty. If you are someone in the faith you should know better.

[@selamfessahaie3454]

Please don’t call her victim from this relationship. If she think it’s wrong and repent truly why is she here to blame anyone.

[@nasdcong4502]

Women and men can't be alone together. Too many thought it was just a conversation, or just a ride, or just a bite to eat, or just a text but then feelings developed, then desire, then temptation, then sin and disillusionment and decption. Men and women can not be alone together.

[@gigifreefreed501]

Wisdom right here . Agreed!

[@cazpk6840]

Yea they can - if they are single and dating.

[@AbiNomac]

You sound like Islam “keep the sexes apart.” Come on, Christianity is much more evolved than that. If we are in Christ temptation and lust for what is not yours is eliminated, or great dulled. Being mature is in order here.

[@christinsongbird]

This is true. The enemy comes and people are weak.

[@hebrews11vs5]

Amen. Exactly. That guard rail, with high accountability, would have completely blocked this event from happening. We Christians prefer the " no legalisim" approach and you see, we can't handle it.

[@PriestessHephzibah]

How is a grown woman a victim.... She knew in her heart that the dance she was doing with Reed was wrong, yet she continued dancing.... A full grown woman

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Would you say it differently if it was a therapist working professionally to deal with a woman’s past sexual trauma then after a few sessions begins to utilize that info to gain deeper trust with her then make moves on her? That’s actually illegal by the way. But in church we call it an affair. But it’s actually crazy how much more of an imbalance of power exists due to the “prophetic” involved and the “spiritual authority” concepts. It’s called Clergy Sexual Abuse.

[@inchristalone25]

@@WakeUpandWinPodcast Doesn't seem like anyone understands the power dynamics.

[@ellemheaven]

Telling him his problems is also what got him to fall for her. He also felt bad and wanted to help her. There are no victims in this case. These are two weak Christians who should've taken their brokenness to God.

[@Charity-vm4bt]

​@WakeUpandWinPodcast It would be good for Christian psychotherapy to provide what is called trauma-informed care because they are dealing with psychological imbalances in the primal instincts that are not being dealt with out of ignorance. St. Paul talks about this in Corinthians. It is called "patriarchy" when the female is exploited by a male in a power role. The female also thinks she is receiving a listening ear and mistakes it for caring. Whereas the man is doing this pretend counseling to take advantage of the vulnerable female. To be fair to male pastors, women want their attention and idolize them. This is very hard on pastors' wives. In the psychology field, there are many more women counselors because listening is a more of a natural skill for them. Deep psychological counseling is needed because men displace unhealed emotional needs onto s*x. Also, the s*x aspects are not emotional for men. It is 90% physical only. For females they mistake attention for "love" because their hormones are the opposite of male hormones. They fantasize nurture and even potential marriage, but men are not deluded and seek conquest then feel satiated or repulsed and lose interest. Pastors' wives suffer most and are betrayed by both the cheating man and the cheating woman. Victims unconsciously attract perpetrators until they get psychological treatment. In the psychological field male counselors are not supposed to be alone with females. Mutual "seduction" is an unconscious risk. This gal needs psychological trauma-informed care to have a trained professional to listen to her in private. It is not healthy for her to be displaying her personal story on a public forum. Some say there is a major demonic "principality" controlling the U.S.A. Perhapsbit manifests this way because s*x promiscuity and abortion was tolerated for sixty or more years and has violated two generations of innocent young people. This clearly shows the charismatic gifts are not substitutes for psychological healing or character development. Predators and perpetrators look for personal details of vulnerable women to exploit. Much of what is called prophecy is actually psychic witchcraft. This is called "being a handler." She needs personal boundaries, but that has not been taught to her generation. Ladies, please understand, men have a different understanding of language because their hormonal structure is different. Education in "spiritual" warfare and knowledge about demonic principalities are needed. Spiritual maturity requires deep soul-searching in truth then taking action. Depression is the number one problem U.S. young people suffer from due to s*x'l activity outside of marriage. For both females and males. She still has a lot of work to do to fully mature emotionally. I know nothing about C.R. Hopefully, "Missy" will be spared further public disclosures. It embarasses pastors' wives. They are people in their own right and deserve privacy and private lives and not public betrayal.

[@justinElms1986]

@@ellemheaven Bingo

[@allyivy1784]

Both parties at fault.

[@alex-rd7ow]

I think it’s very odd that you heard from Chris, now you hear from her. And magically just side with the other guilty party on her story with no proof whatsoever. She is lying then or now, and you just accept it without at all speaking about the real victims, Missy and her kids. You ask leading questions. Promote her to sing and speak out. While condemning Chris? She is an equally guilty person. Where is the balanced and honest questions? You both have no discernment, and it’s amazing how you just trust someone with an equal part to play in the story. She was 30! She knew what she was doing! You both need to stop acting as advocates for anyone, as you are not honest or trustworthy in your approach. She should have to answer the same questions Chris is having to, instead of being celebrated for lying and engaging in an affair. So shameful to do this to build your YT following.

[@rumekpadamrophe912]

Two adults fell into temptation, repented and moved on. Why are they bringing it up again? What ar they trying to achieve?

[@majo9042]

Get his reputation down very sad because she is responsible as he is.

[@liliangarcez1154]

this is very political from Morning Star...they are trying to draw attention away from their mishandling of a current sexual scandal...that is why they slipped all of this out, when everybody had already repented, forgiven and moved on.

[@appleofhiseye104]

@@rumekpadamrophe912 to reveal adultery in church, corrupting word of God, and to be aware of demonic spirit counterfeiting as Holy Spirit.

[@rumekpadamrophe912]

@@TaylorBibleGuy Sadly people will fall for her stunt because they love gossip

[@carollawrence464]

And what is really hurtful is that it’s a slap in the face to the Holy Spirit! He has the gifts of the Holy Spirit!

[@isabelledetaillefer2726]

I had sympathy with this lady till I saw this interview, so thank you. Chris made some mistakes, for sure, but the biggest was getting anywhere near this infantile. Her mama needs to hold her hand at 30 as if she's a little gitl? Seriously? She is an adult who had a brief emotional fling that went to nothing but a kiss, and like a school girl she holds on to the texts, show it around, keep yapping about it to bask in the drama and attention? There are six children involved who are getting a damn sight more injured by how she is handling this, but she's clearly not mature enough to think any further than herself. And she took hush money, three times it sounds like?! George Bernard Shaw had a line for it.

[@jimcastiglione7657]

No. She's responsible for her actions. She sinned. Thank God she repented; but she speaks like she's the victim. Chris's wife and his 6 children ARE the victims.

[@majo9042]

I agree with you. This wrong make this guy guilty 100% if she consent this for that long. She wasn't 14, she was an adult.

[@carollawrence464]

I so agree! She wants attention!

[@nasdcong4502]

Father , forgive our sins and heal our land. Heal the churches. 😢

[@cherjohnson5807]

AMEN

[@dianairaheta1712]

Blaise, Christina - THANK YOU for what you are doing. As a spiritual abuse/domestic abuse survivor, what ya'll are doing by giving voice to victims and being bold about exposing abuse, it is much appreciated!

[@warrior7787]

She is also responsible and she knew he was a married man period

[@followtheKing1111]

She took responsibility and apologized for her part. Did you listen to the whole video?

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Did you watch the video or just make an assumption?

[@janicerobin7868]

Nope, she's also being completely honest and up front about her upbringing. And the choices she made, and the thing she did, and how she got healing, so she is being very vulnerable in exposing herself in all of this

[@majo9042]

Exactly 😢😢. I will stop and move on. We are humans and we are fragile, if she knows this wasn't right stop right away and tell his pastor will be void to keeping going for that long.

[@dweit419]

Why are you making excuses for sin? Why do you allow her to blame and not hold her accountable for her sin? She knew Chris was married. They BOTH made choices! This lady isn’t the victim. CR’s wife and children are!

[@deconverted4064]

Are you f-ing kidding me????

[@enselmavasquez1877]

You didn’t go into that blind. You are as guilty as him. Don’t play the victim here. How was your prayer life? I don’t think you should be blaming CR. CR’s wife and kids are the victims not you. You need to repent there is still hope for both of you.

[@thesoundgrovestudio]

This wasn’t CSA. This was two grown adults making a bad decision. Stop calling it CSA. And another thing she is in just as much fault as Chris is. I definitely don’t look at this WOMAN as a child. She’s obviously very good at word play. Another thing is she getting paid to tell her story she looks like she’s about 30 to 35 years old. She’s a grown a$$ adult. That’s been in trouble for smoking weed while going to this place.

[@followtheKing1111]

She took responsibility and apologized for her part. Did you listen to the whole video? However, Chris was the one in leadership who was in charge of shepherding her. He is definitely at greater fault. What he did was extremely evil

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

CLERGY SEXUAL ABUSE. Clergy sexual abuse is when a member of a religious clergy uses their position of power to sexually exploit or abuse someone in their congregation, such as a minor or adult. This can include sexual contact, sexualized behavior, or other forms of sexual harassment or assault

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

@@followtheKing1111this person likely didn’t even watch the video lol

[@thesoundgrovestudio]

@@followtheKing1111 I absolutely wasted my time and listened to this one sided piece of victim crap. I’m sure she’s going to be paid well to spew how much of a victim she was. But we ain’t buying it. Further more stuff like this makes this channel look petty. Just read the post. This interview discredits what this channel is supposed to be for. Crap like this is why people think church is a joke. You’re burring the message of the Christian faith with this meaningless gossip. I’ve always said it. The first people to cut a person when they are down is the church. Let’s move on

[@thesoundgrovestudio]

@@WakeUpandWinPodcastYou guys are so petty, and misleading. This is a grown a$$ woman with an axe to grind. Probably thought she was going to be the main squeeze of a big preacher then got rejected. This WOMAN has already been into some seriously kinky stuff from the looks of her worn out used up look. She’s just wanting to cash out with her story, and you uplifting “Christians” are helping her out. I’m sure it isn’t about how much money you’re making on UTube from this video.

[@RMB5775]

She’s 30 years old, knows he’s married, “been through this before, getting hurt”, mom warned her… and SHES a victim??? No.. she’s complicit in this. And after she got money $$$ she’s coming back for more camera time to “set the record straight”? Please. She’s not a Polly Anna innocent… ? No.

[@lynpuente5248]

Well he surely is no victim

[@majo9042]

​@@lynpuente5248Yes but she has the capacity to stop this from the beginning, but she didn't. We are sinners and they both wrong.

[@cherjohnson5807]

Well Said‼️😊

[@RSofUCTn]

This is not CSA or SA ... Stop saying that. This is an EXTRA-MARITAL AFFAIR.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Clergy sexual abuse is when a member of a religious clergy uses their position of power to sexually exploit or abuse someone in their congregation, such as a minor or adult. This can include sexual contact, sexualized behavior, or other forms of sexual harassment or assault

[@nellipalchevskaya2680]

I agree it’s an affair.

[@janebrenn4650]

Chris had no prior knowledge of police man sexual abuse against the two boys. I am wondering if Rick hired Chris and had him take his place so he would not have to deal with it. Chris was doing good there at Morning Star. The minute Chris wanted to resign, Rick turned on him. Chris has given his side of the story in a new video.. I believe Chris. I wonder if Chris had known about the police man's sexual abuse case to begin with he would not have taken Rick's position as CEO.

[@libertymaria-0925]

Agree. It was a good video and I believe Chris too .

[@samanthaturner5749]

It does seem suspicious for sure. I am trying to weigh it all out and see what comes out of everything.

[@tiffanycollins296]

Me too

[@jessicajoyfife5447]

I agree with you 100 percent!! Chris yes made a huge mistake messing around on his wife. It may ruin his marriage however I hope she can strengthen against this storm. I'm sad this all has happened to everyone involved on behalf of the church

[@TracyGrace555]

I have been wondering the same thing. Is the entire reason they brought Chris in to begin with, to deal with their mess??

[@donaldedmond4117]

Wait?? It's time to "set the record straight"?? How is a one-sided conversation "setting the record straight"? It takes a cross examination of both parties in order to get anywhere near "setting the record straight."

[@faithworks217]

I feel for Chris Reed's wife. He got her pregnant six times, and that has left scars on her body. It did not end there. She has looked after all those kids, probably mostly by herself, and she looks worn out. He looks like he's in the peak of health, physically attractive, was swanning around at Morningstar as a superstar prophet and the CEO, idolized for his spiritual gifts and position of authority, but he had the nerve to feel sorry for himself because his wife wasn't “meeting all his needs,” and wanted to dump her, in spite of how much she HAS given him: her youth, her beauty, her body, her trust, her hopes and dreams.

[@shaniemarshall7006]

@@faithworks217 you are just hearing one side of the story. But I agree, it's Chris's wife that is the real victim.

[@faithworks217]

@@shaniemarshall7006 I have listened to Chris, Rick Joyner, and what Kathryn has to say. Who else has a side? What information do you think I am missing? Do you think that Chris's wife could have met all his needs, but decided not to? She looks exhausted. My mother had six kids. She was busy from morning to night cooking, cleaning, sewing, painting, doing yard work, and dealing with children. I have a pretty good idea of how much time and energy it takes to look after six children. The only time she ever took a day off from looking after us was when she was sick enough to go to the hospital.

[@majo9042]

😢😢😢😢😢. I am not justified his acts but she is guilty as he is.

[@ellemheaven]

With all due respect, how is she a victim? Her Mom even warned her, and she didn't oblige. She was over 30 during the relation, how is this sexual abuse? How is Chris Reid a predator? The guy said he wished he could marry her, which means he knew they were in SIN! He also backed off as soon as Kathryn ended the relationship, which is not predator behavior at all! Let's be real here. She knew he was married. They were both wrong.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Clergy sexual abuse is when a member of a religious clergy uses their position of power to sexually exploit or abuse someone in their congregation, such as a minor or adult. This can include sexual contact, sexualized behavior, or other forms of sexual harassment or assault

[@ellemheaven]

​@@WakeUpandWinPodcastHow does the devil use women to get men of God to fall? Isn't it always women? She knew that man had a wife. She was not a child. Most of all, she's a Christian. Why are we acting like she didn't have the Holy Spirit?

[@nellipalchevskaya2680]

@@WakeUpandWinPodcastthat’s not abuse when you know what you are doing and willing to do it.

[@miatherache]

He was in authority over the entire ministry. He was a "prophet" and she was "under" him and probably told he spoke for God. It's very psychologically damaging, confusing to a person in this situation. Who can she tell? She feels responsible, shameful, and she inevitably will get blamed by someone like you when she comes forward. Psychology and research and the law consider this a victim/perpetrator situation. So educate yourself if you are sincerely asking this question. God punished David not Bathsheba - didn't He.

[@Weissguys6]

With all due respect, how is this man a pastor???

[@kevinbadenhop2879]

Wow she is forgiven she is not a victim. She knew he was married so sick of this.

[@lisamarie5223]

@@kevinbadenhop2879 🙌🏻

[@Weissguys6]

You are actually excusing this behavior from a pastor??? The man is a wolf. Shepherds are supposed to protect the sheep not prey on them.

[@karenskow6402]

How much is she being paid to talk… she sinned as well… don’t exalt her.. it was mutual

[@dbrhb5729]

That's my question. Did someone pay her to drag this back up?

[@djb109]

Wow sounds more and more like what Chris said today is true. Rick is covering the sexual abuse that happened at the church and did all this to take the light off of morning star. This all right here makes a mockery of the church.

[@thatoneperson77742]

100% and she fell for the ploy from the liberal media. All they wanted is a story to run with. And KZbin channels that run with these stories have an element of tabloid fodder to them. How many of these KZbinrs would run with these stories if their channel was demonetized?

[@mfblume1]

Exactly ​@@thatoneperson77742

[@lademoiselleketoret6958]

When I was growing up, as a woman, you would never meet with a male leader for counseling without their wives present. This generation has totally slacked off. Just lazy.

[@lolitasd316]

Agree

[@JeanG-z7m]

We also need to bring up the fact that there is lawsuits right now going on about sexual misconducts and sexual abuse with kids that has been going on under Rick Joyner and his team. So this whole Chris Reed and Kathryn situation is also to side track people from looking at he issues with this ministry. There needs to be accountability for morningStar leaders. I am sorry this happened to Kathryn however we need to look at the whole picture as well. I am glad things are being exposed I believe this ministry needs to be shut down.. I am so glad the Lord is healing you and may you be blessed.

[@cazpk6840]

The ministry is gonna close down. Its likely the beginning of the end.

[@Weissguys6]

Amen, shut it down. This needs to stop.

[@AmericanDreamAlbum]

She definitely was persuaded by Chris but also is a full grown woman who was open to an affair with a married man.

[@MimiA-k6m]

She opened up to a married man.

[@chroniclesofanexorcistbyeva]

Remember it’s a spirit..a generational curse…she needs deliverance & exorcism’s…so does Chris.

[@AmericanDreamAlbum]

@@chroniclesofanexorcistbyeva no she just needs to not be around a Married man alone

[@AmericanDreamAlbum]

@@MimiA-k6m she sure did haha

[@lisamarie5223]

@@AmericanDreamAlbum respectfully, we don’t even know that much. She may have been the instigator. Remember Delilah? I’m not accusing her. I’m just saying we don’t know what happened.

[@joannh930]

She was a 30 something yo woman, she says she knows the Lord, so lets not put the blame just on the ministry. Yes it so sad that satan is the great tempter. What is the beauty is her relationship with the Lord now.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

She clearly took responsibility if you listen to the podcast. But Please do a little bit of research on Clergy Sexual Abuse.

[@LastDays7]

Whom do you hold responsible for this situation? Perhaps you would benefit from reading the PDF.

[@joannh930]

@@LastDays7 having fallen to this same temptation myself as a married 27yo woman I blame myself and the man. We both were adults and I was a Christian that knew better than allowing myself to fall into satan's trap.

[@shaniemarshall7006]

@@joannh930 good on you for owning it! True wholeness cannot come when we cast blame on others. Thank you for sharing! ❤️

[@joannh930]

@@shaniemarshall7006 thank you sweetie. Yes until we admit then repent we continue to develop hatred, bitterness and unforgiveness. I'm a Mima and live with the joy of life because of what our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did for me. Honey I have stories for days but.....GOD. ❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏

[@HisFeet3]

At the end of this. The word says it is our own lust that leads us to sin. They both fell to the desire of their flesh. Chris is a leader with responsibility and should be walking in The Fear of The Lord. We must daily walk with Jesus. Picking up your cross is denying your flesh.

[@bronwenmorris793]

I just watched a KZbin video with Chris Reed & his wife, regarding this. He took full responsibility for what occurred, apologized to Kathryn (without using her name), to his wife, the LORD and to the Body of Christ. He said it should never have happened, and stated he had never been unfaithful to his wife before or since.

[@HisFeet3]

@@bronwenmorris793 I have seen this . I also know that the enemy is using this whole issue in a wrong way , point being people sin . They both did, she is not a victim to him she was a victim of her own lust as well as he also fell to the lust . They both forgave and moved on . Looks like this came out from a bitter heart of his leader , breaks my heart that a leader is someone that should be protecting you a COVERING. That issue was brought to RICK at its time and dealt with by all involved. It should have stayed in that room . If we can’t go to our leaders and have our confidentiality , that is a greater sin.

[@margarmoo5]

I believe she was initially called into their office because she was found smoking pot….. that’s what the initial contact was about. After this conversation she started to talk about the Chris Reed thing…..

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Yes she speaks to that in her public statement posted here: drive.google.com/file/d/1DJKwJAaffdUXlgQQSXKm3o39zmGCzpeM/view

[@Mint-kj9kw]

@@WakeUpandWinPodcast Wow....thats powerful.

[@TracyGrace555]

I have a really difficult time calling two consenting adults abuse. It's definitely abuse of authority on Chris' part, but she was a fully grown adult, perfectly aware of what God's word says about those actions. Nobody forced her to drive to a parking lot to meet him. She did that on her own volition. You guys should be focusing on the reason Chris Reed resigned. That's the story that is true abuse.

[@robertaeves]

If you listen to her story you’ll hear how she was taken advantage of and abused as a child. That significantly alters an individual’s ability to protect themselves from predators. Chris Reed was a predator. She was vulnerable. Men in leadership ought to be protecting the vulnerable not preying on them.

[@TracyGrace555]

@robertaeves I've read her statement. It's tragic. However, she was likely carrying a spirit of perversion due to her past. She needed deliverance. Chris abused his position of spiritual authority and instead behaved as a man in his carnal nature. None of it is right. But, they were both fully grown adults. This story, while unrighteous, is taking away from the reason Chris resigned in the first place, the children sexually abused and the lawsuits against Morningstar. This is where the focus should be.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

It’s called clergy sexual abuse. It’s real and it’s an abuse of power.

[@HisLoveEmpowersMiracles]

Very transparent, thoughtful, kind, and truthful! Full of the redemptive hope and forgiveness of Jesus Christ!✝️♥️🙌

[@watchandpray6684]

Yes! I don't understand why many people can't see this. Maybe didn't hear the whole thing?

[@bradrahme]

Terribly biased and click-bait title with no concern for the truth. She was a willing, repeated participant. Chris Reed's wife was the only victim here

[@sandradavis4050]

The Lord has been speaking to me about the church, His body. For the last 7 years he has kept me from making a commitment to a group and I see now it was because there's little commitment of leadership to authority. ( No covering, protection or commitment for safety) True communion in the body is fragmented. I received a prophetic word more that 6 months ago from a friend and I've been sitting on it...... one line says " I will put an end to all the grief organized religion, institutional /traditional church has brought to the nations".

[@donnapotter8824]

I just wonder how many broken women have set out to seek Jesus with all their heart, get so touched by Him, and lustful leaders who are supposed to be safe, groom them, flatter them, get them off track and then they are betrayed by them and others that are in authority. How many…..more than we will ever know. Woe to those men who do this to the Bride of Jesus……

[@cazpk6840]

I hope every man woman and child who have been violated speak up loud so that all the predators can be confronted. Sexual immorality must never be normalised in the church.

[@catherinegrace2366]

Yes, exactly

[@lynlyn4539]

She is saying she knew what she was doing.

[@ccbewell3304]

It’s seductive grooming when it’s your teacher, especially a man who hears God, who says special words from God, who makes you feel special, it’s even more insidious and demonic. But hurt people hurt people and Chris had been groomed by a predator when he was a child. He became a wolf attacking his sheep.

[@childoflight389]

She was only 7 years younger. Get out of here with the grooming talk. She was 29, not 9. Lol. She sinned just as he did. I had married men hitting on me in my 20s too. I said NO. She gave in to lust too. Thankfully God forgives if we truly repent.

[@ReLair88]

So Rick Joyner is saying NOW that he never saw the VULGAR texts (just the initial ones) until a couple of days ago, BUT did Justin Perry and Hardiman see the vulgar ones? I found in the Roys Report article that she shared the sexual vulgar texts with Perry and Hardiman. So if they saw them, why is Rick Joyner NOW saying in a video that he never saw those--just saw the initial texts. Here's the quote from the Roys Report: "Both Kathryn and her mom, Karen, who also asked to be identified by only her first name, told TRR that Kathryn disclosed the matter, including sexual texts to several MorningStar leaders in February 2022, with Karen also present. Kathryn said she no longer has the phone with the sexual texts on it."

[@GuyForTheJob]

This is gossip to the fullest. Word it however you'd like, Chris was only talking about it because joyner threw it out there for the world to hear. Now he feels like he has to redeem himself for a sin he committed years ago. This is none of our business. The enemy is shaking the body of Christ and so many of us are indulging in it for entertainment purposes rather than prayer. The leaders of the church should have restored him and not gossiped/leak out his faults. 🤦‍♂️ That is the main reason i stay away from the Church. My relationship is solely with the Lord.

[@FireSong163]

This is such a refreshing take! She is handling this so much better than what I’ve seen come out from IHOP. So grateful for her display of love and mercy and the work that she’s done in her heart with the Lord to forgive and to move forward. It’s such a contrast to what I’ve seen, come out of Ihop. So much bitterness on display there.

[@jeannettemcphail3968]

Im not condoning Chris Reeds behavior. But the women have a responsibility also. It takes two to tangle....she could have said no, you are married. She could have walked away.....

[@Newseason392]

Not true, we call that abuse of authority and Spiritual abuse as she was a student at Morning Star. Luckily, you are not a judge.

[@jeannettemcphail3968]

If a person in authority tries to abuse me, i have options. Example: Joseph flees from Pontifers wife because of his conscience towards God. Like i said those responsible should be held accountable BUT the young lady knew what was right and wrong because she had the Holy Spirits conviction i assume even as a student?

[@jeannettemcphail3968]

This is supposed to be a school for the prophetic? Learning to hear Gods voice and i can assure you He speaks and warns those who are His.....

[@vsnfjjnwjd]

@@Newseason392No. Chris Reed had no authority over her when this happened. I don’t think you understand how structure works at MorningStar. She is an adulteress just as much as he was an adulterer. She was in ministry, ministering to people. 30 years old. She was even initiating conversations with Chris telling him she had words from the Lord for him. There is no imaginary world where she somehow didn’t have the ability to not engage in this behavior with him. Everyone is responsible for their own sin, that’s what the Bible says. The only time when there can be an excuse is when they’re a kid who has no idea what they’re really doing or if to some degree if someone is blackmailing you, threatening, etc.

[@farmchick1413]

I'm sorry for the pain and suffering Ms. Kathryn suffered; I pray she's on the road to healing and spiritual renewal. I'm NOT surprised she was identified/selected: a vulnerable, wounded girl = easy pickin's to the wolves. 'tis a terrible heartbreak. Only God can fully right these wrongs.

[@EverlastingLife-pl9ug]

Rick Joyner is not fit to deal with this type of thing! He has no understanding of the woman's devastation in this!!! He needs to step aside!

[@djb109]

@@EverlastingLife-pl9ug he is the one who brought it all out. He needed to have a distraction for SA trial from police officer abusing children at morning star. How about digging into that, rather than 2 adults kissing 🤔

[@b.b.9846]

​@@djb109Because Chris says it's a distraction? It only compounds the issues at the Ministry.

[@juliawillett2111]

I’m betting there’s not a single woman on his board of directors

[@happyeilsel]

Who are you to judge another man's servant? It's before his own master that he stands or falls. And he shall stand and be upheld, for the Master (the Lord) is mighty to support him and make him stand. --- Something we need to remember.

[@skmcclain]

Ew!!! You have no right making that comment.

[@ForJesus34]

Wow! awesome testimony. God really does bring beauty out of ashes!! Let's just hope that Chris learns same lesson!🙏🙏 🇮🇱🇺🇸✝️🛐🕊️🇺🇲

[@Titus2BibleStudy]

One thing I want to point out. A person’s physical age and the emotional maturity age can be completely different. When a person experiences abuse , trauma, and neglect, it can drastically alter the rate in which the brain and emotions mature. The brain cannot properly develop in a setting of overwhelming stress. Kathryn may have been a 29/30 year old woman, but her emotional age was drastically stunted due to the trauma she had been through.

[@tricillagirl7915]

Words of knowledge so True God Bless.

[@j7489]

Chris also said he was sexually abused as a child

[@miriamwesley6266]

I don’t think Chris is a predator, they were both falling into sin and lust for each other. Chris was wrong, but is not like he abused her. They are both responsible for giving into temptation. Anyone in ministry can be tempted and we all need to be strong in the Lord so we don’t fall into sin.

[@watchandpray6684]

Respectfully, you don't know what you are talking about. Power differential, look into it. It's real.

[@MimiA-k6m]

Thank you. Calling him a predator is so low of them. This whole interview is to smear C.R. It's as if there is a personal vendetta.

[@MimiA-k6m]

​@@watchandpray6684She is a woman filled woth the Holy Spirot and Jesus, Himself.

[@couragedearheart2951]

No, no matter what, Chris was disqualified. Period. The Bible makes it very simple and clear. Good intentions are not what we follow.

[@theouterplanet]

Right on. Chris should not be allowed to be in ministry. He needs to get a job and set in the pew

[@BenaiahMoses]

But he has a website

[@theouterplanet]

@@BenaiahMosesdang bruh

[@Kalimatullah_Yoh1-1.14]

so is Rick Joyner....

[@Kalimatullah_Yoh1-1.14]

@@BenaiahMoses someone is preventing chris to have his website go live. whoever doing this is not godly.

[@donaldedmond4117]

For the host to say "Now, it's time to set the record straight," is a backhanded way of saying, "Chris Reed, and Rick Joyner are lying about what really happened." The host was not an eyewitness. A more honest statement would have been something like, "Now, it's time to hear her side of what happened to her, and how she has processed the entire experience." Then let the viewers weigh the matter. Personally, church people need to stop placing ministers/ministries on a pedestal.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Chris withheld information for 3 years. Then Rick and Chris’s statement didn’t line up. So yes this woman is setting the record straight by coming forward.

[@donaldedmond4117]

@WakeUpandWinPodcast , withheld information from who? Did he ask forgiveness from her? Did he ask God to forgive him? Did he ask his wife to forgive him? Did he have intercourse with her? To whom was he obligated to divulge every detail? Your comment does not change the fact that you were wrong in your remarks about setting the record straight. The most accurate statement remains that she was given the opportunity to tell her side to you, and your viewers. Anything more than that is biased speculation until proven otherwise by an independent third-party investigation. Many times Christians use words to stone other Christians. Don't be like that.

[@jaylenlay1933]

You cannot blame Chris Reed for all of the sexual sin. Both parties are guilty. She was an adult. She knew what she was doing & knew it was wrong. They BOTH knew. People need to STOP playing the victim card when BOTH parties are guilty of sin.

[@Michele-q9j]

She admitted she sinned. She owned her part. Did you listen to any of it? She comes clean within the first 13 .minutes.

[@jaylenlay1933]

@@Michele-q9j But the interviewer continues to make it out like CR took advantage of her. She made the choice to meet him, to text him etc. he didn’t take advantage of her she willingly made the choice.

[@judymoore5009]

This woman is not qualified in any way to answer any question about what the restoration process should be for fallen pastors. You guys must be running out of legit questions to ask her that! How on earth would her thoughts on that be relevant. She was at fault as well as Chris. Only mature, seasoned, called Christian leaders who have impeccable integrity could answer that reliably.

[@David-ym2vk]

The relationship sounded consensual from this woman and chris’s mouth, so the thumbnail with the word “victim” and the statement by the hosts that the woman was taken advantage of by Chris seems like it’s lacking integrity. The concept of taking advantage of someone usually stipulates something is being leveraged over the other person and that doesn’t seem to be the case here. This is a grown woman who is responsible for her actions, including to the point of accepting the emotional and sexual attention of a married man (regardless of status) and continuing the relationship over a period of time knowing full well he was married. It sounds like they both repented, cut things off, and confessed their relationship before senior leadership as it should be. Not sure about how Rick handled it after the fact, but from what I’ve gathered it seems it’s been largely a “protect HIS ministry at all costs” mentality that will likely be to his detriment. At the very least, it doesn’t look good. One point of contention is that this relationship was dug back up by a reporter looking to stir up dirt in what seems to be an attempt at turning an unrelated incident into a correlation of corruption and secrecy of a history of sexual misconduct that doesn’t seem to be there. From what I’ve seen, things became understandably publicized, then everyone freaked out and started throwing each other under the bus as is usually the case when anything like this comes out into the open. That’s why things like this should always be out in the open. Sure some of the congregation will leave. But the rest will respect you for being open and honest with them and afford you the same grace we’ve all been freely given.

[@sharilyn82]

👏👏👏🎯 Say it louder bc truth and context seem to be lacking across the board.

[@CindyWiederhold]

I think Blaze & Christina missed it on this. The victims are Chris’s family.

[@TroyStevens430]

If Chris & Rick were as honest and contrite as Kathryn this whole story could have a happy ending. Unfortunately those two men seem to be doubling down on their secrets by the day.

[@libertymaria-0925]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/npTUh56Xlst4aLMsi=LWaVoRyS3Nc9dNdc

[@randycarter8802]

YES YES YES! She is the only one showing maturity and discerment at this point.

[@ZeeLedge777]

Huh....

[@tricillagirl7915]

I feel Rick will learn big time from this. And Chris saw such greatness in her. God let him see in part. Little did he know her greatness would come from his sin. God is cleansing His church. Ones with her strength is needed in leadership desperately. I feel Rick will grow through this and see who he didn’t see before in her. No man is perfect. But a good man learns and gets better

[@TroyStevens430]

@@tricillagirl7915 With all due respect, I think you're being naive. Rick & Chris are proven false prophets whom God is now judging, just as He eventually dealt with Balaam after refusing to repent of his divination (Josh 13). Jesus himself said we would know false prophets by the fruit they bear (Matt 7). Ask yourself what fruit we've seen from Rick & Chris... false prophecies, lies, predatory manipulation, twisting scripture, restoring predatory charlatans to ministry like Todd Bentley, Paul Cain, Mike Bickle, Bob Jones, etc, etc. Mark my words, Morningstar/Joyner & Reed will all go the way of Mike Bickle & ihopkc. It's a Balaam thing. God's been warning them for years to repent. They've refused, and now the rent's come due.

[@jonica468]

The goal should be to restore a fallen leader back to the Lord. Restoring back to position should not be the goal. I can relate with so much of this. I ended up marrying the abuser in my life. No affair or anything like that involved but a grooming into a marriage to a man I was not attracted to only to have to remove him from my home years later to keep one of my kiddos safe. So this was a little bit of a trigger but the Lord had done so much healing. I praise Him for delivering my kids and I. Abuse in the church and by those in leadership positions is so heartbreaking. I think so often leaders are put on pedestals. We respect and give honor where honor is due but I feel like there is a lot of idolatry in the church regarding gifting and position.

[@docbarm3338]

Disqualified: Joyner and Reed and all leaders at Morningstar. It’s biblical to call out the wolves, false teachers and false prophets.

[@theouterplanet]

But Dr Brown won’t call them out.

[@renerickman2208]

Do you mean RHB?​@@theouterplanet

[@docbarm3338]

@@theouterplanetBrown tried with IHOPKC and it didn’t go over well for him. He is playing it safe

[@Robert1849Breadstone]

Joyner has been disqualified for years, but the board protects him

[@jmm8305]

He’s talking about Dr. Michael Brown

[@lynncostello7007]

I feel she sees herself as the victim. Chris's wife is the victim. She sounds like she's making excuses for what she did.

[@JosephDunegan]

So, my question is did this woman consent to a relationship? If she did, then she is not a victim. But, as a big picture, the Body of Christ is wrecked these days. I refuse to go to any church because Morningstar is not the only place this is happening. Why should I waste my time with a pastor that has a bad past or with so-called believers who engage in hypocrisy? And now, we have a podcast for everyone to see all of the ugliness. The church is making the case all by itself for no one to go. I'm not hearing miracles or blessings these days, nothing but trash!

[@jmh8510]

As someone who endured this as a MINOR with no capacity to figure out what was going on (in a Bible study setting/the leader against me), I think a 30+ yr old had the capacity to say “yuck, leave me alone” to a certain degree. If CR initiated 100% if all of this and she was confused and all…yeah…but as a 34 yr old she does hold a little responsibility to say NO.

[@dianairaheta1712]

The mindset in the church needs to shift from restoration to a platform/ministry to restoration to God. Because in order to live in deception and willfull predatory behavior, something is very wrong and restoration to God should be the only focus. Ministry/platform is not a right. 🙏

[@ThomasFischer1964]

I have a problem with the title when you say you do not want to gossip. Do you want healing or views?

[@havalevi522]

Why do these women who have an affair with married men think they the poor victims? This woman is guilty and adulterous as he is. She didn't care about him beign married and having kids. The only victims are his family.

[@jennifermiller5493]

I watched this video and I had to comment. First, SA was not committed. It was two consenting adults that sinned against each other and God. Yes, the minister was in authority and should be held accountable but fault lies with both parties. We all fall short of Gods glory and the blaming on one party is wrong. The Jezebel spirit was at play here. Redemption should be afforded for not only Kathryn but Chris too. It seems Kathryn has a good understanding of this. That mega church has allowed the Jezebel spirit to infiltrate as Revelations speaks about. Maybe the hosts should interview Chris also. When we start attacking our brothers and sisters in Christ, the world sees us as hypocrites. Also, scripturally when we sin we are to first, ask God to forgive us, then confess our sins to one another and pray for each other. I do not find in Scripture where it says pick one of the guilty parties and publicly shame them after they confess. In fact, Jesus said, he who is without sin, cast the first stone. I just feel like this is a public stoning. I get we are to expose darkness but not in a way that it harms the flock and Chris is a part of the flock, not just Kathryn. I pray for all my brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@eugeniacoto655]

I completely agree with the difference between restoration and transformation. That is what the Lord does according to the gospel. Our flesh can not be restored, it must die and our souls sanctified....

[@houseofm9551]

I carefully read Kathryn's public statement, which has a vast amount more information than her interview. I have also watched and read all that Chris has had to say, and listened and read carefully to what Rick Joyner has said. I do not find anything that Rick said to be deceptive. Kathryn listed the people she met with, and it appears to me that these people are more than half of the Morningstar board members. I did not hear Rick say that she and her mother met with the ENTIRE board. There were two women in each meeting. Kathryn, a grown woman, and her mother, an even more grown woman. What gives anyone the idea that having any more women in the room would have changed anything? What was missing from this very long story is her actual testimony of exactly when, where, and how she became a Christian in the first place. There is a lot of spiritualizing in this story. If all the abuse she has endured is true, I feel great compassion for her. She was not seeing professional counselors at Morningstar. It was a voluntary ministry of helps one time per month. That is not much. I was a student at Morningstar 19 years ago, and I have found Rick Joyner to be the real deal. He is a bit gruff, but so what. He has been building an Army of God for all these many years. This 30 year old woman may have been too fragile to attend Morningstar when she did. I got so very much from my time as a student, but it was a tough, tough year that stretched me in every direction. If I had been as messed up mentally and emotionally as this woman, I do not know how I could have accomplished what needed to be accomplished as a student. One thing I do not understand is the notion that just because someone is well-known globally, one has to bend one's knee to that well-known person. Am I supposed to revere Kim Kardashian? No one is supposed to be impressed with any other person. They are just a person who is loved by the Lord exactly as much as you are loved. I don't buy this as an excuse to behave badly. I wish Kathryn well in her future endeavors, but she must take responsibility for her own failings as an adult if she is ever going to be all that God has for her. Something does not wash in this story.

[@tjkingdom]

Well said

[@lisamarie5223]

@@houseofm9551 I love and agree with everything you’ve said. Thank you for sharing this. This was nothing but a hit job. How sad to have a KZbin channel devoted to tearing down men of God.

[@c.j.s5810]

Hey Kathryn, this is brave and true of you - thank you! Many of us who came up in the prophetic movement have seen the rotten underbelly for awhile. We are grateful for voices speaking truth here and moving others toward safety from poor leadership and systems built on devaluing the vulnerable.

[@nickylozier5950]

Should someone who’s suffered a major stroke be expected to have past memory intact? I’m a nurse and even people who recover have deficits. I’m NOT excusing Rick, rather questioning his statements now on this situation. Very very disappointed at how this happened and Morningstar that I’ve followed 30 years. Praying for her complete restoration. She needs what was stolen restored. I’m so sorry for how this affected her journey. I do pray for Chris and Missy and the kids. What a humiliating experience for Missy.

[@wmr4463]

It's too bad she did not take this opportunity to share her regret at hurting Chris Reed's wife and apologize to her. His wife is the only real victim in this scenario. It's sad that she had to go through that but as much as she doesn't see it, she made the decision to be an adulteress. True, her brokenness played a part but she knew what she was doing. He had a greater responsibility in it but ultimately she made a decision and acted on it. Thankfully they got their heads straight before it went too far. She mentioned forgiveness being for you more than the other person. That tells me she is playing the victim card a little too much. She needs to repent, forgive herself, and know that God forgives her too.

[@gigifreefreed501]

Beautiful testimony! Loved what you shared with Missy at the end . A truly genuine heart of repentance. Thank you Katherine. Blaise and Christina, you guys are amazing. May God help you and your family safe.

[@SuzanneWyss-h3t]

Ty C and B for this podcast. I appreciate how you gave Kathryn a supportive platform to share her experiences. Corrie Ten Boom said in one of her books, "Every experience we have is preparation for the work the Lord has for us to do." I see that so abundantly in Kathryn's life. I think we as Christians need to be aware of our own vulnerabilities and keep away from potential temptations with the opposite sex. I also think as women and men we need to pay attention to "our gut" as Kathryn mentioned, but also use our reasoning minds.

[@troymccullagh]

That such a female who was going thru healing for her past and the leader targeted her is really wrong. Even if it was a consensual of a healthy woman who was not vulnerable he still has shown himself not to be leadership material. He should never be in leadership and not over females! Rick also is a bad leader who is not protecting his flock, has no discernment, and is complicit as an enabler!

[@preacherbarbie]

Amen. I wish these other folks here just blaming a young woman would get their heads out of the sand. Teachers and leaders have a moral responsibility to God for those under them. These zealots that don't know the heart of The Father are partnering and coming into agreement with the demonic spirits behind this stuff. Withhout repentance they will reap what they sow. is why this filth has never gotten out of The Church. God is cleaning house these perverted men refused to. James 3:1 says, "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly."

[@ZeeLedge777]

Becareful about placing blame.

[@hebrews11vs5]

​@@preacherbarbiewell she is a grown lady. But yeah, it's totally unacceptable what Chris did. Chris fell into a trap. The devil had the perfect trap for him. Have you ever sinned in your life? Like you don't even know how high the dial was allowed to be turned up by the devil and if the devil had Chris at a 10/10 intensity level and you fall into sin when the devil turns it up to 8/10, do you want Chris to make fun of you over your fall, or to say " you should have known better Barbie". I find it fascinating how easy we can look at these guys and say " bad guy" and it's invisible and implied that we are better which is expressed as " I would never had done xyz" but if you really think you never would have done xyz if you were a guy. Well, we wrestle not flesh and blood but demons and actually we are all one body as Christians. Chris is your brother. Rick is your father. Or maybe Rick is your brother. The devil is happy with our harsh reactions in the body of Christ, it causes division rather than unity.

[@preacherbarbie]

@@hebrews11vs5 You used a lot of words that I DID NOT. Please speak for yourself not me. You have no right to infer and assume I'm calling anyone bad. I'm not the judge and neither are you, God is. All have fallen short of God's Glory and we ALL need His Mercy, Chris included. We are to judge with Righteous judgement those within the Church. Pre mediated behavior isn't a mistake it's a sin and Sexual sin is completely avoidable. If you WON'T control your urges and the sinful desire that rises in the heart isn't dealt with and Shut down, it can turn into a sinful action. May God have mercy on Chris and his victims especially, including his poor wife who has clearly had a hard time by the way she appeared in the last video. And the devil is more than happy for The Church to keep promoting men, despite their inability to control their own bodies, while their female victims are gaslit and torn to shreds by The Body of Christ. Very sad🙏

[@melaniem4070]

Wow. “Victim” speaks out?? How in the world is she a victim? I’m so sick of the pendulum swing to “women are totally innocent” when they wreck a marriage. Good grief, ladies! Are we responsible for our actions or not? This was not rape, this was not spiritual abuse or manipulation. This was a consensual adulterous affair. At one point, she says “just texts and A kiss”, then later she admits it’s sexting and making out “and whatever” in his car?? Is the “whatever” what the mysterious $$ was for? So many questions you two did not ask- and yes, they should be asked because you are helping lead people into an unbiblical reaction to actual sexual abuse. We must not accept “believe every woman”. She should be held to account- not to the same level as a pastor, but she should be held to account for what she did to the actual victim- Chris’ WIFE. If men are to be outed and shamed, so should the willing woman.So sick of this garbage.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

I'm guessing you didn't listen to the interview...

[@johanitalouw9315]

​@@WakeUpandWinPodcastStop justifying yourself

[@bettycarmella1127]

Goodness gracious… praying for this dear sister🙏🏽 it seems like the Lord is cleaning house- “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?” 1Peter 4:17

[@saywhat2651]

I’ve lost what little respect I had left, for Rick Joyner. Sadly, I can’t say I’m surprised. Bentley numerous times, Bickel, Reed and who knows what other less known “leaders”.

[@debergher]

Rick oversaw Bob Jones sexual abuse restoration process and Paul Cains sexual sin coverup.

[@tinakempf5845]

​@@debergheris that true? If so he's way past needing to step down in my opinion.

[@saywhat2651]

@@debergher oh my gosh, I didn’t realize that! Thanks for the information, certainly drives home the point even more, sadly.

[@mombythesea2426]

I have sought out counseling before from “leaders” and it doesn’t even cross your mind that they will make a move on you. Even if you develop a crush on them, their job is to recognize that as a symptom of your trauma or past pain and bring in another person. He capitalized on a vulnerable person for his own selfish desires. Regardless of her level of responsibility, that makes him 100% disqualified for any leadership position.

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

100% 🙏🏼

[@karenskow6402]

You don’t have the whole truth… u are operating under a fault finding , accuser of the brethren and parasitical spirit… this woman was 30 years old and was also responsible… don’t exalt her.. she’s just as guilty

[@LynnsYouTube]

So sad. Thank you, Kathryn for being so vulnerable. Praying that God will heal your heart completely and use your coming forward to prevent some others from being taken advantage of by him or others like him.

[@raybrensike42]

30 minutes in here, and this sounds like a 'business model" church when what we need is a "family of God" model. People need to come first, not what men have built.

[@dc2930]

THIS IS A STRANGE SHOW. ITS GOSSIPY. No GOD IS IN IT>

[@giantonamission]

Kathryn please seek the Lord about being one of those women you suggested to become the 'hearers' or mediators for taking the statements of the women who were in these situations. This situation is more common than is known and is a wound that needs to be addressed among many women. Your journey has not been in vain because your obvious submission to the Lord now can bring about so much healing for others. My prayers are with you.

[@GMCvideos2012]

Didnt she get caught with weed at school, then revealed her and chris's affair?

[@tiffanycollins296]

Yes

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

She speaks to that in her full detailed written statement- worth the read: drive.google.com/file/d/1DJKwJAaffdUXlgQQSXKm3o39zmGCzpeM/view

[@Cherylcoder]

​@@WakeUpandWinPodcastbut she won't take a polygraph ? She is very broken, and believes in her own version of the truth..I'm just not sure it's objective truth. Why should we automatically believe her version?

[@happyeilsel]

Yes. It's not her fault that she chose to smoke weed though. I mean, yeah, she smoked it, but she had a bad life. It was the fault of the person who sold her the weed. It's called dealer substance abuse. Waiting for the pdf file to drop that explains how she overcame when a dealer did this to her.

[@megan4011]

Katherine, thank you 🙏 I appreciate your honesty, full of grace & non judgement. I believe you wholeheartedly & God is going to use you in a special way for HIS glory ❤❤ I've been thu addiction as well & God truly has restored what the locusts had eaten!! I love Jesus with everything I am & I believe you do as well!! God bless you 🙏 ❤

[@lademoiselleketoret6958]

Rick Joyner has a pattern of doing this. This is why this is a problem. He is a very cold man. Never liked this man.

[@jazz10169]

I seen problems within this ministry years ago something never say right with me about Rick Joiner lm not surprised about sexual abuse within the church 🤔🔦🔦🔦😪

[@sherrydickson7692]

What a beautiful, heartfelt testimony, she exudes in an unfair and difficult situation!! Her fruit is excellent! I commend her on changing her life around and am very proud of her.

[@Angel-tt8tq]

WOW her explanation of the REFINEMENT instead of RESTORATION was WISDOM from God and so TRUE. Blessings to her a beautiful woman of God🙏🏼🔥☝🏼 I pray CR will let God refine him.

[@l.l.2463]

I agree. That struck me as well.

[@shirleyallen1418]

People fail God. It costs them a lot, loss of confidence from others, ridicule, sorrow. Coming back after failing God is hard. Have mercy on these leaders who got lifted up in their flesh, only to fall miserably

[@i772007]

What ever happened to dual accountability? Didn't they both sin. So why did she use Chris Reed as the scape goat for deeper problems she had before she meet Chris Reed?

[@WakeUpandWinPodcast]

Did you even listen to the interview?

[@fatousarr3035]

I love that she truly understands what restoration means. I command her for sharing her testimony. Blessings and healing to all concerned.

[@stebethstar100]

Excellent interview. Kathryn is very well spoken and thoughtful. Pray for all those affected.

[@vickiwhipple940]

Much blessings to all of you. The truth will set us free❤❤❤ Thank you Jesus🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@servantofmessiah1071]

I think when she said, "Reasoning does not come from the heart of the Lord," I take it she meant, "Rationalizing does not come from the heart of the Lord."

[@lokius]

Thank you for interview with this brave and vulnerable woman. A lot of light and kindness here. It helps to rethink some things.