EXCLUSIVE: World's FIRST Thunderbolt 5 SSD Enclosure

[@JamesArthurHurley]

You lost me, or rather Acasis lost me at "kickstarter".

[@GrishTech]

Kickstart: Pay us first, then maybe we will send you one in a couple months.

[@GetzAI]

My experience with Kickstarter is very mixed. I WISH just a couple months!!! More like 6-8+. That is if you don't get totally ghosted.

[@gregclare]

Couple of months? My experience is more like couple of years. But still generally a good experience for many things. Often saving a lot of money on the final retail price, and being early adopters for exciting new products. But I wouldn’t pledge for something that’s likely to be out of date by the time you receive it.

[@rossgeography]

perhaps a year , but most probably never

[@Wog68]

It could take over a year, even never. Many established brand names now regularly take this route to get money interest free with possibility of never to pay or deliver forever.

[@gregclare]

@@Wog68 I know it's a risk, but I've yet to be bitten by a failed KS pledge. Best pledge so far was for my Bambu Lab X1C Combo 3D Printer pledge. I got the best printer I've ever had, and for about half what it would now cost for me to buy another one at retail. 2 years later I'm still blown away by my X1C printer. I will have been waiting about 2 years for my Particula goChess XR, by the time it is released, but I have every confidence they will deliver, based on past performance and their other goChess products now delivered and available at retail.

[@UsmanX]

Thunderbolt 4 is 32Gb/s in data transfer, the extra 8 Gbps is for displayport video, so 40Gbp/s data transfer if using the cable for displayport purposes. Thunderbolt 5 is doubling the total throughput to 80Gbps but again thats solely for displayport video purposes. The PCIe data transfer is at a maximum of 64Gb/s with is the double the previous PCIe bandwidth of 32Gb/s

[@laden6675]

so with display port can you only use 8 Gbps max over Thunderbolt 4? meaning you probably can't even do 8k30?

[@livedreamsg]

@@laden6675 No, DisplayPort can use the entire bandwidth. OP just means the 8Gbps is reserved _only_ for display functionality. You still get the 32gbps. TL;DR: you get the full 40Gbs when using DisplayPort alt mode.

[@esatselcuk1053]

You are totally wrong. Thunderbolt 5 has a throughput of 80Gbps for data transfers, and 120Gbps for display output.

[@livedreamsg]

@@esatselcuk1053 Not sure if you're saying this out of context to be malicious or not. TB5 has 80gbps. It also happens to have a BOOST mode that can do 120gbps. That is not required as part of the implementation. Don't assume every implementation will have it lol.

[@Fred_the_Head]

Thunderbolt 5 enclosure, dock, and coffee warmer!!!

[@jaimeduncan6167]

The max speed of Thunderbolt 4 for storage is 4GB/s because the PCIe bandwidth is 64Gbits per second so it's even more impressive. What I would love to see is an array with dedicated PCIe lanes for each SSD, we could see some pretty insane numbers.

[@MarvelousMarvinB]

Why are you testing with one large file? That's cheating. Im a mac tech and I want you to do this again with a photos library of a decent size. The more individual files, the slower it gets. You will get a fraction of what you are getting if you move the same size of data but with alot of individual files. Other Data recovery guys will tell you this: If I have two stacks of data, both 1 TB, but one stack has 1 file and the other has a million files, the one file is going to move a whole lot faster than the million files.

[@themedleb]

And add random read/write to the mix.

[@AliKazi]

I wish they had a fan or better cooling solution for this dock

[@SoulMasterX]

Sequential speed might not be the most critical factor in most scenarios. Latency often plays a more significant role in everyday use cases. For instance, when installing Node packages, the process involves writing thousands of small files, where lower latency can make a noticeable difference.

[@AZisk]

that’s why i also tested random read/writes

[@Maciek888]

Basically Thunderbolt is like PCI-E passthrough, no need to worry, external GPUs used it as well.

[@LeicaM11]

Pay high attention and be cautious: All Acasis/Anyoyo Thunderbolt SSD cases I own are not able to be recognized simultaneously by a Apple Mac Mini. Just try to connect two or three of the same model to a Mac mini. Only one will be recognized or maybe another one after a reboot. But having all three connected at the same time might be impossible. A modern GaN power supply would be much smaller and lighter! But OEMs don’t want to supply those…

[@cronproc]

I do not comment on youtubers! But I like the way you do all of your work :) Kudos!

[@AZisk]

Appreciate that!

[@cronproc]

@@AZisk You deserve it! :) Also, you convinced me to order the Macs to do my exo - 2x mini m4 pro 48gb. Once I finish my setup, I will follow with an update on your previous video (to support your work because you deserve it :D ) P.S. Yes, I updated my name, ignore this PS message :D

[@AndresTheDesigner]

I'm a simple man, I just want a thunderbolt 5 enclosure + 8TB NVMe SSD for my M4 Max...

[@uradeutsch]

odd, Acasis has a TB5 SSD enclosure on their website for sale that starts shipping Dec 16 but it's not this one

[@synen]

The latest and greatest M.2 SSD would be Crucial T705 which can do up to 14,500 MB/sec. However that is Gen 5 as opposed to Gen 4. In this regard Macs are behind PCs supporting the new gen.

[@geoffstrickler]

The huge external adapter is a big “I don’t think so” for me. Also, 50c (122f), that’s seriously uncomfortable. Of course, that will vary some depending on what SSD you install in it, but it’s not for me.

[@ParadiseProjectsGroup]

Always good stuff for us geeks. I mostly use my M3Max for music production. I run a ton of devices on Thunderbolt 4 and good old USB. Been looking for a good SSD enclosure, greatd timing. I look to you frequently when I'm buying gear. Just bought the OWC hub, I went with TB4, works fabulous for my 5 TB of plugin libraries. Thank you for your work, great job.

[@adriftatlas]

The ASM2464PD USB4 enclosures idle hot on macOS, but run cooler on Windows. It's not clear why, but the difference is 5.5W vs 3W. Is the situation with the TB5 JHL9480 any different?

[@andyabajo]

Please test SLC caching on this thing. Pretty please. Please also transfer 500GB or more files. OWC Envoy TB 5 and Saberent SSD enclosure only has a 90GB cache. They can only transfer with TB5 speeds up until 90GB then it will throttle down to TB3 speeds. I want to know if this has higher SLC caching.

Samsung 980 Pro and 990 Pro 2TB have ~200GB cache, after that speed drop to 1,6GB/s. Samsung 990 Pro 4TB is ~400GB cache.

[@GVDub]

I got the Acasis T4 dock and a couple of their T4 SSD enclosures, and love 'em. I would expect no less from their T5 dock

[@AZisk]

this is my first one, seem decent enough at the start, but wonder if it will hold up (and won’t fry the ssd)

[@2010Sisko]

haha loved the excited face 🙂

[@AZisk]

😐😃

[@olampros321]

I would really appreciate it if you could make a video with a recommendation docking setup for a MacBook. A one-cable do-it-all solution: monitor, storage, Time Machine back up, mouse, keyboard, speaker, and MacBook stand.

[@MikeDold]

Almost everything you listed is all personal preference, making a video like that wouldn’t really make sense. You’re better off watching individual videos of each thing to see which specific ones you want.

[@olampros321]

@ Yeah, but sometimes some of those are not compatible with others. I am looking for a one-cable solution, and not all docking stations work as intended. I would not like to buy, return, and then buy and return again. That’s why a review video from someone I trust makes sense for me. I am not a tester. I would like to buy something that works.

[@MikeDold]

@@olampros321 yeah but again, what if his specific accessories don’t exactly work for you? What if, for example, he shows his dock but his dock doesn’t have an Ethernet port and you need one, or lacks one additional USB port that you really need, or whatever? Then you would have to find a different dock that does have what you need. And then maybe he has a 27” monitor but you really want a 32” so then you would change that as well. And maybe his specific speakers are too expensive so you decide to go for some slightly cheaper ones that are still really good. You see what I mean? The chances that 100% of someone else’s specific accessories is exactly what someone else needs/wants is way too rare. It really just comes down to the dock, once you choose that, you can just get whatever else you prefer in regard to monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers etc.

[@Gael_AG]

I hope you will do a long term review because i had some issues in the past about he SSD controller with a similar Acasis TB4 where sometimes the ssd was unmounting randomly

[@AZisk]

hmm. yep, only time will tell

[@Rushil69420]

My Zike TB4 NVME enclosure does the same thing. Wonder if they’re using the same controller

[@Maciek888]

Every such enclosure, regardless of the brand, needs firmware updates from the controller's manufacturer like Asmedia or in this case probably Intel.

[@techjectovist]

Doesn’t Sabrent have a thunderbolt 5 enclosure as well?

[@ohmygosh6176]

Kickstarter are faster however there is a risk of them not delivering on the promise

[@david1610]

Great as usual except when you do the first TB5 test you had just shown the Razorlight so it was not immediately obvious if you were testing it on that or the Mac. Yes we can use our eyes. You did very importantly show the difference between speeds for how you format the drive. Would have loved you to show this with the Mac Mini (Pro) just to confirm the speeds on that.

never been this early in my life

[@rgseidl67]

Needs a heat sink and a fan. It’s not just the SSD that gets hot, it’s the whole hub. Is there a heat difference between running the hub off its own power supply snd running it off Thunderbolt-supplied power or, is that not even possible?

[@AZisk]

you MUST use the power supply

[@esatselcuk1053]

Hopefully some company will offer a bus-powered TB5 SSD enclosure. That will be light and cool without a fan.

[@gabrielus123]

General feedback - don't take this the weight way butthe text effect coming up from the bottom felt a little overused, as did the jump cuts and animations. Why not use them only for the most important parts? It feels like it was edited as a short, and shorts use text to quickly give you context (or as subtitles for when you don't have audio)

[@Hasbert1988]

Don't forget MiB - Mebibytes. 8 bit > 1 Byte. 1000 Bytes > 1 Kilobyte. But 1024 Bytes > 1 Kibibyte. Windows for example displays MegaBytes, but calculates with Mebibytes. MacOS on the other hand displays, what it calculates. Or you could test a Lexar NM790 SSD. It uses HMB instead of onboard cache. But it uses much less power than a 990 Pro - 3.7 Watts vs 8.1 Watts maximum. And it has similar read and wirte speeds.

[@teknerd]

how much is it going to go for, during KickStarter and after?

[@Maciek888]

Power supply for this thing is so damn big and heavy probably because of the wattage & old tech. Most likely you can replace it with a small USB-C charger with a cable to DC barrel jack with 20V PD trigger (just like USB-C cables for older laptops). But there's a catch - I don't know if the dock will detect it doesn't have so much power and limit laptop charging accordingly. USB PD has a 5A limit for 20V, so 100W max for the dock, SSD and laptop.

[@tk42won]

One thunderbolt 5 on the base Mac mini. Just one. And it would have been an instant buy for me. Oh well, next year.

[@AZisk]

no t5 ports on the base mm. just t4

[@tk42won]

@@AZisk I (was trying to say) said: Apple adding one T5 to the base mini and I would have bought it =)

[@river.]

An attachment that sticks it to body/behind screens would actually make it a good alternative

[@RomvnlyPlays]

You can easily do that yourself if you’re imaginative. Something you can’t charge for

[@kefran06]

I would like to see the data transfer speed in activity monitor - drive on your Mac instead of the number of seconds to transfert if possible in the future :)

[@PawelSkocz]

Have you tried to use this enclosure only for storage without power adapter? I think it should work.

[@skyflyer4231]

I've noticed that the enclosure vendors don't reveal what 'Gen' the SSD sticks are that are installed.

[@johngwheeler]

they just sell the enclosure- you buy the SSD, so you know which generation it is.

[@skyflyer4231]

@@johngwheeler OK, but can the TB5 chip utilize all the lanes on a Gen 5 stick?

[@mario_luis_dev]

impressive speeds, but that toasty temp is a no-no for me

[@FFAMax1]

01:40 Simple, if speed: bits/s, if amount of data: Bytes

[@sammcj2000]

Samsung SSDs are often over-stated in their real world performance, if you get a good PCIe 5.0 NVMe disk from someone like Crucial/Micron they can do 14,000MB/s, twice as fast than those Samsung 990 SSDs. Also using fio will give you proper benchmarks where blackmagic disk speed test will just give you a pretty rough finger in the air estimate.

[@notorious.nip.888]

Can you please use that ssd enclosure on a M1 mac to see if there is a speed increase as well?

[@fuzzycuffs]

What resolution and refresh rate were you running the displays?

[@fuzzycuffs]

I have the Acasis TB4 version and it's been good, except the fan was so annoying I had to unplug it. I'm looking forward to the TB5 version, with the hope that aside from the SSD it can also be my display out and drive a single ultra wide 1440p at 165hz

[@one_step_sideways]

Looks like Thunderbolt 3/4 enclosures that are leagues cheaper are still the way to go. You can't do Thunderbolt 5 speeds without a fan to cool off the enclosure.

[@Coatsey007]

Your videos are excellent, thank you. That said, having used kickstart four times now, they lost me as soon as that was mentioned and this is a good advice that I would be interested in..

[@edwinschaap5532]

1:45 Because it is a serial connection. 😉

[@ratty_matty]

Would love to see some virtual machine test run on this if possible (and how hot it gets lol). Keep up the great content! 🙏

[@yahya2700]

They have an enclosure only on their site without a dock or heavy plug

[@pweddy1]

You should try different drives to see if any give you better temps.

[@AZisk]

no, you!

[@andersonloi4498]

Can you measure the idle power consumption of thunderbolt 5 enclosure with SSD?

[@elrobotito]

Attention span? I had a quick look to WA, the trick is having a couple or so of screen/devices always next to you

[@AZisk]

yes, many devices! and make sure all their notifications are on! 😆

[@markclayton8977]

I wonder if you'd see even better performance on a PCIE gen5 SSD.

[@Mbro-dq2do]

Wow. Native on my M1 Max without thunder bolt anything the Mac gets 5000/5000+ read write speeds regardless

[@AlmorTech]

That is The Brick O_O

[@theperfguy]

Price of 990 Pro 4TB internal disk is around USD380, To beat the USD1000 price of Mac 4T Internal, the dock needs to be less than ~USD600. The dock will also eat up additional power and its not really portable if you have to carry around that large brick. I hope as we move towards the future, the twin TB5 connector (connecting to 2 TB5 ports) for the dock will help provide the power to run the dock. At the moment this setup looks good at home, not while you are mobile. Better to have a NAS (RAID 10 or 0 depending on how important is your data) and a fibreoptic ethernet (100GB/s). I think Linus (LTT) has similar setup for all of his team.

[@AZisk]

yes, i would like to see such a “passive” t5 dock too

[@iddeegee]

Or Apple should have not soldered SSD's to the MB in the first place (as you can see the speed can be faster even externally), but they are greedy, so now we have what we have.

[@theperfguy]

@@iddeegee Apple is Apple. They are the monacle man personified. They also want publicity for things that they do badly, like the magic mouse charging point. All publicity is good publicity for them.

[@joelv4495]

990 evo plus 4TB is ~$240 now and still very fast.

[@joobuzz]

Any chance you could explore why the new Thunderbolt 5 ports on the m4 pro macs don’t support power and video out to portable monitors?

[@AZisk]

i’ll check it out

[@padonker]

The gigantic power adapter and generated heat are a dealbreaker for me. If I want large power bricks I'll switch back to PCs.

[@MrSparc]

I have a M2-Max, can still use this Thunderbolt 5 case? Can you test the performance using your previous MBP?

[@Maciek888]

Huge waste of money for bleeding edge tech you cannot really use. Look for the USB4 enclosure instead, more universal and just as fast in your case.

[@AZisk]

if you’re planning on keeping the m2 max for a while, i would say save your money

[@angeliquestidhum1714]

wouldn't connecting your monitors downstream make a difference?

[@lifeunframed9154]

I personally would advertise this as a dock moreso than an ssd enclosure. That being said, I guess it does not compete super well as a dock with so few ports.

[@80-80.]

Finally a test of this thing that is not Chinese or German.

[@KaziQTR]

Isn't it kind of silly, how much power does that dock need that Apple can't provide? It could be for non Apple devices that doesn't guarantee more than 18W which is still crazy for a dock IMO unless you are trying to use the ports for charging. Now that I think about it, there is probably the same guarantees on those extra TB 4 ports that would require a power brick.

[@AA-kj4ic]

Why did they use a barrel connector on power input? Wish they used a USBC PD power input port then people can easily use their macbook pro power supply.

[@reignmuzeiya7432]

Its about time we move to the big B.

[@FSK1138]

how about a thunderbolt 5 raid array ?

[@NathanMilkie1]

Bro should straighten out his KZbin Play Button.

[@DancingDave1]

I thought this video was going to be about the new Thunderbolt movie ! Oh well

[@christiancrow]

Have you tried llama 3.3 yet on m4 max

[@Mbro-dq2do]

without any external SSD or thunderbolt4

[@TheDanEdwards]

Companies are just milking people with the "kickstarter" money begging. If a company wants to raise money they should sell stock or bonds.

[@AZisk]

it’s a new marketing and price setting avenue for brands. i’m not a fan of it. as for milking, usually they offer an opportunity to purchase items at lower price than when products actually launch, so i disagree there.

[@mubeenmi4i547]

can we expect Arc B580 video?

[@sabishiihito]

How long until Apple removes external TB support

[@kvocal]

I guess my question would be if the laptop has multiple thunderbolt ports why would you use the dock to connect your display if performance was an issue?

[@AZisk]

then you get more ports

[@kvocal]

@@AZisk But you already have extra ports on the laptop so no need to use the dock for the monitor, If it degrades performance.

[@DaveEtchells]

Those temperatures are worrying, I’d be concerned they’d lead to shortened SSD life :-/

[@braulioramirez1658]

3:27 jokes on you I watch KZbin on 2x speed

[@tonyburzio4107]

So, Apple charges too much, but you compare it to the price of a FAR slower device. In fact, you can't even buy a compatible drive anywhere. Interesting.

[@johngwheeler]

huh? How is the Acasis TB5 dock slower? Did you watch the video? You can buy the compatible Samsung 990 Pro easily from most vendors.

[@FFWrench]

I use LAN Speed Test from Totusoft for my disk speeds on my machine and across my network. Does to any mounted drive anywhere. Really nice tool. AND you can choose Gbps, GBps, Mbps, MBps, kbps or kBps. Give it a whirl and see what you think Alex. My 2019 MBP 16" with 64GB ram and 4TB runs at 1.59 GBps writes and 0.98 GBps read from the internal 4TB SSD. My M4 Mac Mini (base model) is only able to muster 0.36 GBps writes and 0.95 GBps reads from the internal 256 GB SSD. Surprisingly slow writes to the SSD. Both using the same 1GB file transfer size. Varying Packet sizes.

[@sirajshaikofficial]

@AZisk thats a Gen 4 samsung 990 pro with 7500 GBPS, can u test with new Crucial Gen 5 nvme, it has a therotical limit of 14 GBPS. Heads up, they get extreamly hot and come with their own heat sink.

[@ElliottDay-ok6ti]

I still don't get it why these companies make such small devices but have massive power bricks just build the dam thing in

[@luctorres6375]

Nice video on how to escape the Apple tax

[@Coatsey007]

As I mentioned, a great video. Dead on Arrival (DOA) as its small and portable but it's not due to the power brick. You'd be better off just getting SSD.

[@JarekPawlak]

Today i bought just enclosure with fan tb5 from acasis. They will start shipping 16 dec. We will see how god it is :)

[@AZisk]

intentional typo? 😉

[@JarekPawlak]

@@AZisk hehe. no, just apple intelligence :)

[@CuriousMola]

Baffling ACASIS didn't put an active cooling fan on this like several of their other enclosures?! Especially considering it has a 1lb power adapter. This version is a nope until they cool it (which they obviously will in future versions.)

[@mendoso]

this way they hope to earn money twice

[@goobfilmcast4239]

The best thing is that it's likely that full speed TB4 storage and accessories will go mainstream and come down significantly in price....for us normies.

[@Maciek888]

More likely USB4 ones

[@ninbura]

Yeah... putting an SSD in a dock is a flawed use-case because anything else you attach to the dock will hurt the performance of the SSD. This also anchors your external storage to the docking location, because no one is going to carry all that around with them. A dedicated bus powered enclosure would be much more enticing.

[@MjrGeneralGhost]

Question: Was the speed test limit by SSD or the thunderbolt speed? Samsung 990 is not the fastest SSD and to be honest its not even close but I assume you are know that so why go for 990? Is thunderbolt 5 limit you to PCIe Gen4? Thank you Btw, my attention span is smaller there a gold fish but your videos are top notch so we go through it like is smallest reel 😂

[@AZisk]

it’s not t5 speed, but likely a combination of ssd and whatever apple and acasis implemented in their controllers

[@warrenhill1657]

Silicone ro Silicon?

[@arpannaskar5758]

Dock : super advance Power adaptor: stone age 🙁

[@johnpp21]

not really WERO is probably the first as they are already selling in taobao

[@AZisk]

maybe, but good luck there

[@yagoa]

I get 4100MB/s on TB3

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

That’s a lie 😂😂😂 the best people got was 3.8GB/s

[@yagoa]

​@@RunForPeace-hk1cu The margin of error is definitely a lie, since all case and ssd combinations give different results :P hope your IQ improves

[@yagoa]

I bet you don't even have one while I have several

[@amirtorhan2762]

I'm convinced Apple overcharge for all upgrades to keep the base models somewhat affordable. Essentially, all the people that pays for storage upgrades subsidizes all the people buying base models.

[@gokkiyoutube]

Keep huffing on that copium.

[@filipr6070]

I have an Acasis 401 Thunderbolt 4 and it runs too hot. The Thunderbolt 5 has the same problem. Not good for the lifespan of the SSD.

[@MattChilds907]

Kickstarter....(SIGH) 🤦‍♂ Also - what knife is that?

[@AZisk]

Kizer: amzn.to/4geJOps

[@oncrei]

donglemania is back! what? dude. I have a proart p16 2024. it has 2 nvme slots inside and it is thinner and lighter than a macbook 16.🙄

[@CalifLove]

Acasis should know better than to ship this thing without some sort of fan

[@gaiustacitus4242]

There is a good reason to purchase a larger internal SSD vs. using an external SSD. Every SSD has a limited number of writes before it becomes unusable. The larger the SSD, the longer its useful life. Be aware that some people use their Macs very heavily and when they sell them after only 2 to 3 months of use the internal SSD has less than 20% of its useful life remaining. The available capacity declines accordingly. Once the internal SSD fails the Mac is useless, so beware of purchasing used Macs without getting an assurance of the remaining useful life of the SSD.

[@KaziQTR]

True, but if you get enough RAM instead of spending money on the SSD, and get an external SSD, you kind of beat the game since you won't use the SSD as RAM. There is still hibernation etc.

[@gaiustacitus4242]

@@KaziQTR It depends on your use case. It is possible to still use virtual memory with 128 GB RAM, especially when working with local AI and very large LLMs. To get the maximum life out of the Mac you want both maximum RAM and internal SSD capacity. This is expensive, but still less costly than only the video cards needed for a Windows based AI rig that can process the same size very large LLMs. While an LLM processes much faster on a Windows PC when it fits entirely within GPU memory, once the LLM spills over into system RAM it is painfully slow.

[@livedreamsg]

Lol there is no way any person reduces 80% of the lifespan of an SSD in 2-3 months with ANY use case that isn't intentionally made to destroy it.

[@gaiustacitus4242]

@@livedreamsg It has been done by people who were using it for high volume data processing. They unload the Mac on an unsuspecting buyer and then purchase another one.

[@NickCharles]

Are you kidding me? Kickstarter??? Nah, burned too many times. Wake me up when it's actually for sale as a PRODUCT!

[@PappaMike-vc1qv]

Love everything about these external enclosures, EXCEPT the lousy power brick! Really, please be more creative and GET RID OF THE BRICK!

[@collectedmind3653]

What trash panda in the design team thought it was a good idea to not include active cooling? I suppose they'll sell lot of units from the internals melting down...

[@thomasking8831]

That is sick. Hey Alex by the way can u help me get an software internship, job market is bad

[@asksearchknock]

Strange they didn’t go for Gen5 ssd with the 12,000 speed! Have you done any videos on using a windows VM on M4?

[@alveenoor]

Lessgoo

[@AZisk]

lfg!

[@dowhilegeek]

why do I care about dock weight?

[@AZisk]

it’s a small dock so you might use it in a portable setup. so if you’re carrying it around, and weight matters, it’s good to know