Karajan's last concert: a tribute to exceptional leadership

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@hanspizka8176
@hanspizka8176 7 жыл бұрын
This concert was not his last, definitely. His last concert was Bruckner No.7 Symphony on April 23rd 1989 with the Vienna Philharmonic in Viennas Golden Hall. Why do I know exactly ? Because I played the principal horn in this last concert conducted by Herbert v. Karajan. I was called to play the first Wagner Tuba, but the principal horn became ill. So I took over, but had no time for the dress rehearsal, because I had to play a Mozartian horn concerto. I could not cancel that concerto. Even after a night drive of some 200 miles, the concert was wonderful, but ..... After the end was minute-long silence, then the first people in the audience started crying, the orchestra began crying, all we came to tears, Karajan cried as well. We all realized that there will be no repeat. The Maestro of the Maestros wrote me a wonderful letter, which I keep as a high inspiring treasure. Two months later we were waiting near the stage entrance of the famous Cuvilliers Theatre in Munich, half hour before the festival performance of "Capriccio" - Wolfgang Sawallisch conducting. He had not heard these very depressing news about von Karajans passing away. Sawallisch was really destroyed. He appeared before the curtain at the beginning, informing the audience about this great loss & dedicated the festive performance of Capriccio to the memory of the greatest conductor - he spoke under tears !
@Hotspur77
@Hotspur77 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your remarkable story. In your experience, who were the best Bruckner conductors? I imagine Karajan was among them? Also, what is your opinion of the acoustic of the Musikverein? I know how wonderful it sounds as a listener, but what is it like as a performer?
@christiangeller1414
@christiangeller1414 6 жыл бұрын
Hochinteressant, vielen Dank. Leider war es mir nie vergönnt Karajan live zu erleben.
@paulwien65
@paulwien65 5 жыл бұрын
Hans Pizka S
@geogsf179
@geogsf179 5 жыл бұрын
This story of yours made me madly enviously of you .......
@dirigentus
@dirigentus 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for telling this story. This is very valuable to me. You are a lucky person to have met Herbert von Karajan on stage.
@josuesilva6700
@josuesilva6700 11 ай бұрын
Superior... It becomes divine! Pure genius...Hebert Von Karajan
@davidmintzer3743
@davidmintzer3743 Жыл бұрын
Jessie Norman is fantastic--what tone.
@vincebossi46
@vincebossi46 Жыл бұрын
Un addio commovente!!!!!!!!esecuzione da incanto infinito.grazie Maestro,grazie Jessi.
@MrAFLANDERS
@MrAFLANDERS 13 жыл бұрын
Genius...raw, immutable, exceptional spirit and soul...so forceful and masterly it leaves you with one word-Genius
@dlhuo2340
@dlhuo2340 3 жыл бұрын
Every second of this is angelic beauty! He's never left us...
@Tom-zr4xf
@Tom-zr4xf Жыл бұрын
I attended several concerts in October of 1982 at Carnegie Hall when Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic were in town. The usual noisey concert goers along with the sirens occasionally passing by on 57th Street in NYC were largely absent during their performance of the Mahler 9th. Such was the respect and admiration the audience had for the Maestro and the Berlin Philharmonic!
@elisasartori6581
@elisasartori6581 Жыл бұрын
Grazie a chi ci regala questo video del Granse
@remotoadamotroppovelocelaf868
@remotoadamotroppovelocelaf868 Жыл бұрын
Immensi!!! Commovente.Altro non si può dire. ❤❤❤❤❤
@adrianusjacobus
@adrianusjacobus Жыл бұрын
This makes me cry because it is such a rare combination of conducting magic and otherworldly beautiful singing. And also of course because both astonishing heroes are unfortunately no longer with us. Everything passes. But fortunately the music remains.
@atsumoritokyo1101
@atsumoritokyo1101 3 жыл бұрын
Karajan was in Salzburg at this time when he was in a very painful appearance, but the music he creates seems to be a natural thing that resembles a resignation that seems to be born naturally. It was probably Ozawa who recommended Jessye Norman to Karajan.
@vazmo14850
@vazmo14850 8 жыл бұрын
no performance could ever top this~!!!!!
@karlbauer9734
@karlbauer9734 Жыл бұрын
Ein Meister, ein großer Dirigent. Unvergesslich.
@jarleypiotrtchaikovsky
@jarleypiotrtchaikovsky 8 жыл бұрын
Karajan forever !
@angelavitullo5842
@angelavitullo5842 2 жыл бұрын
Maravillosos.La.Voz.de.Jesse.Norman.es.una.DELICIA
@mfealy
@mfealy 12 жыл бұрын
HvK 's last concert was 23rd April 1989 Vienna ..VPO Bruckner symphony no. 7
@dlhuo9366
@dlhuo9366 3 жыл бұрын
Karajan is the GREATEST!
@sarahjones-jf4pr
@sarahjones-jf4pr Жыл бұрын
Great yes but greatest.......Bernstein was great and my favourite dirigent.
@martinevaffier5055
@martinevaffier5055 Жыл бұрын
He was great but not the greatest. What about Wilhelm Furtwängler, Carlos Kleiber, Leonard Bernstein, Wolfgang Sawallisch, Carlo Maria Giulini, Yuri Temirkanov, Igor Markevitch, Victor de Sabata...?
@stephanebelizaire3627
@stephanebelizaire3627 11 жыл бұрын
Great Forever !!!
@mailwerk2378
@mailwerk2378 2 ай бұрын
Top class, his level allows him to get the most out of the music (musicians)
@claudiamaradelfinodelfino4751
@claudiamaradelfinodelfino4751 12 жыл бұрын
herbert van karajan foi e sempre será lembrado como um dos maiores maestros do mundo maravilhoso e inebriante da musica.
@massimomedici4606
@massimomedici4606 11 ай бұрын
Herbert von Karajan: der Größte der Großen.
@enigmaalphacentauri.6730
@enigmaalphacentauri.6730 10 жыл бұрын
it was that, what made Gods jealous of humanity and decided we don't deserve such a divine harmony? that was time to claim this ethereal presence for their own delight of senses? oh! I could fight Gods for claim him back!!!!!
@MadanaBhatKhandige
@MadanaBhatKhandige 10 жыл бұрын
Indeed, to have von Karajan back here on earth, bringing the Great Repertoire to life, I'd do anything! Ahh.. Back when the Gift of God roamed the earth!
@rolandguyonvernier7087
@rolandguyonvernier7087 5 жыл бұрын
Très heureux d’avoir connu cette époque 😅
@sahand144
@sahand144 13 жыл бұрын
Best conductor who ever lived
@dlhuo2340
@dlhuo2340 3 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%!
@martinevaffier5055
@martinevaffier5055 Жыл бұрын
I don't agree. He was great but there were others extremely great too
@damncat8425
@damncat8425 6 жыл бұрын
Loyal till the end.
@claudiamaradelfinodelfino4751
@claudiamaradelfinodelfino4751 12 жыл бұрын
Obrigado, pelo retorno, espero que continues gostando de classicos.Precisamos alimentar estes genios com nossos aplausos.! Já assistiu Aida? Eu já tive o pevilegio de assistir.Lover´s muisic...
@kitandamodamatosinhos
@kitandamodamatosinhos 6 жыл бұрын
Imbatival desde o inicio ate ao fim.Grande karajan.IMORTAL
@emigdioluisgarciaaguilar2738
@emigdioluisgarciaaguilar2738 Жыл бұрын
Siempre recordaremos a Karajan, gran maestro eterno !
@Pogouldangeliwitz
@Pogouldangeliwitz Жыл бұрын
That long build up of tension and then this subito piano at 0:43...!! Karajan had an unparalleled sense for the big line. (Un)fun fact : around the same time, Jessye Norman recorded large excepts of "Tristan" with Masur. They were published only recently and should have remained in a drawer IMHO if it wasnt for her singing: Masur conducts the dryest, flattest, most prosaic and wooden "Tristan" ever. I'd give 20 more seconds of Karajan with "Liebestod" for Masurs entire legacy!
@caginn
@caginn 12 жыл бұрын
Exactly and in the same month the recorded the work with the same ensemble for DG which was to be his final recording.
@gddecker
@gddecker 11 жыл бұрын
I believe someone has already stated this below but this was NOT Karajan's last concert. This was given in August 1987. He continued to give concerts long past this. In fact, one of his last concerts was with the Vienna Philharmonic at Carnegie Hall in New York in February 1989. He then gave a performance and made a recording of Bruckner's 7th with the Vienna Philharmonic in the Musikverein in April 1989. I know that it was his last recording but am not sure as to whether it was his final performance.
@natalia89436
@natalia89436 9 жыл бұрын
Вместе с Караяном от нас ушла прекрасная часть нашей жизни...
@mfealy
@mfealy 12 жыл бұрын
and his most personal recording... RIP HvK
@pietrinomilaresol
@pietrinomilaresol 11 жыл бұрын
Oh my God. Unbelievable.
@calvinchiu4239
@calvinchiu4239 11 жыл бұрын
In music, there were Mozart and Beethoven. In conducting, there was Karajan.
@enigmaalphacentauri.6730
@enigmaalphacentauri.6730 10 жыл бұрын
the first and the last!!! the ONE and FOREVER!!!!
@ivanhorvath
@ivanhorvath 7 жыл бұрын
You forgot Bach!
@johnschlesinger2009
@johnschlesinger2009 4 жыл бұрын
Karajan was a hugely dominant figure, with a vast repertoire; there were others who were equally great, perhaps greater within a less extensive repertoire: Celibadache: his readings of the Bruckner symphonies are unsurpassed I think. And George Szell's recordings of the last three Mozart symphonies have stayed in the catalogue for almost fifty years, with good reason!
@hectorberlioz1449
@hectorberlioz1449 Жыл бұрын
​@@johnschlesinger2009 how dare you to compare Celi with Karajan. His Bruckner recordings are so self indulgent and against the music. Szell was great and not only in Mozart. Bernstein, Kleiber , Haitink and Solti all were greater than the overrated and insane Celibidache. Obviously you have no understanding about conducting at all!
@ionutzamfir5794
@ionutzamfir5794 Жыл бұрын
u meant Bruckner and Celibidache
@angelavitullo5842
@angelavitullo5842 Жыл бұрын
QUE.ARIA.TAN.MARAVILLOSA.CONMOVEDORA
@sergiofeijoo9534
@sergiofeijoo9534 11 жыл бұрын
No se puede dirigir mejor. Eterno Karajan. Pero éste no fue su último concierto. Dirigió varios después, entre otros un maravilloso Así Hablo Zaratustra, con Berliner Philharmoniker y concierto de fin de año con Kissin, y me consta como último concierto el que dirigió a la Wiener Philharmoniker en la séptima sinfonía de Brukner, allá por el mes de abril de 1989.
@caginn
@caginn 13 жыл бұрын
@MyMusic0201 He many times did that. During 80's he almost always conducted eyes open. Just check his Telemondial concert-films. He also had been conducting the choral works with open eyes since form the very beginning.
@caginn
@caginn 10 жыл бұрын
Geoffrey Decker I've mentioned about it several times but unfortunately some uploaders are still making up this fake drama that he conducted Liebestod in his final concert. Btw you are right, his final concert featured Bruckner's 7th symphony as well as his last (studio) recording.
@claudiamaradelfinodelfino4751
@claudiamaradelfinodelfino4751 12 жыл бұрын
Voce colocou em duvida alguns internautas, quando do ultimo concerto deste Mago. Isto vai lhe custar mas pequisas.Não acha?Antes não houvesse o ultimo concerto.Mas Herbert Van Karajan, eternizou-se atraves de sua obra.Gosta de classicos? Eu tambem.Bravo Karajan!
@Jaguar106-sl3ls
@Jaguar106-sl3ls 11 ай бұрын
That's what I would call s i n g i n g ! So great!
@rolandscheicher
@rolandscheicher 13 жыл бұрын
@cagin Karajan's New Year's concert was 1.1. 1987 (niot 1988)
@panospoupou7834
@panospoupou7834 2 жыл бұрын
2:59 - 3:20 thanks for you art Von Karajan (Καραγιαννης in Greek language.)
@goodmanmusica
@goodmanmusica 11 жыл бұрын
this is not the last concert of Karajan! (the last was in april 1989 Bruckner Symphony n7)
@barnaby1988
@barnaby1988 13 жыл бұрын
@MyMusic0201 HE did so when their is vocals, look at him conduct the 9th symphony ( Beethoven) he opens his eyes for the choir at the end.
@soffronitsky
@soffronitsky 12 жыл бұрын
Actually von Karajan conducted the New Year's Concert in 1987.
@ムーンウォーク
@ムーンウォーク Жыл бұрын
私はこの映像と素晴らしい音楽を聴いて、涙を止めることができませんでした。 カラヤン自身も感動しているようです❤😢
@rolandscheicher
@rolandscheicher 13 жыл бұрын
@ cagin: By the way: at the Silvesterkonzert in Berlin on 31.12.1987 Karajan conducted the same program as in Salzburg on August 15th (Tannhäuser-Ouverture, Siegfried-Idyll and Vorspiel und Isoldes Liebstod), but with the Berlin Philharmonic instead of the Vienna Philharmonic. The CD edition is from Salzburg with the Vienna Philharmonic - one of the most impressive concerts I ever had the pleasure to witness).
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 12 жыл бұрын
@goodmanmusica So WHAT??!!! It's stll great...
@matteopagliari
@matteopagliari 11 жыл бұрын
Karajan conducted the New Year's Concert on 1st January 1987 (not 1988). Btw probably this is not his last concert (everyone knows that he died while rehearsing "Un ballo in maschera" in Salzburg after having recorded it).
@caginn
@caginn 13 жыл бұрын
@rolandscheicher Right, thanks for correcting. Then as another example of a new year concert which took place after this supposedly last concert, I can give 1988\89 new year concert with Berlin Phil. and Evgeny Kissin which is also recorded for video.
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 13 жыл бұрын
@maganz The "sense" is, really, called "hearing", and the "ears" are just the organs for its first perception - then, there is all the way to the primary auditory cerebral cortex (temporal lobe), which connects with at least four more cortical areas (frontal and parietal lobes).
@voce29
@voce29 13 жыл бұрын
Immolation from Tristan. He had the gift to transport you into a different dimension.I cherish my memories.
@7cooler7
@7cooler7 13 жыл бұрын
the LEGEND !!!
@허우영-b5m
@허우영-b5m Жыл бұрын
이 동영상이 카라얀의 마지막 콘서트!? 그 분은 천상으로 갔지만 지구역사상 최고의 마에스트로 우리가슴에 영원히 남을 것입니다. 주님의 은총이 그분에게 충만하소서!
@gregoirehesse-ge3zm
@gregoirehesse-ge3zm Жыл бұрын
Un des meilleurs chefs d’orchestre de notre temps dont je suis un éternel admirateur. Mais il fut tellement pressé de prendre la direction du Berliner Philarmoniker pendant la guerre et d’évincer le maestro Furtwangler qu’il adhéra au parti nazi mais en vain: ceci dit, des millions d’allemands ont adhéré soit par conviction soit par obligation (les fonctionnaires). Cela ne retire en rien à son immense talent et sa francofilie : marié à une française dont il eut deux filles j’ai plusieurs fois aperçu son magnifique voilier à Saint-Tropez (Helisara).
@caginn
@caginn 10 жыл бұрын
Not last concert !!! He lived 2 more years and conducted many concerts after this. There are even video recordings of some of them.
@qasion
@qasion 6 жыл бұрын
So he died in 2012, ho wold was he?
@adriankwan7386
@adriankwan7386 6 жыл бұрын
qasion he died in 1989,and he was 81 years old
@obiwan88
@obiwan88 2 жыл бұрын
@@qasion Learn to spell before learn to type boy.
@rolandscheicher
@rolandscheicher 13 жыл бұрын
@cagin : I was not precise: When I wrote "New Year's Concert" I meant the concert of the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, which Karajan conducted on 1.1.1987. In Berlin they have a "Silvesterkonzert" on December 31st, but this concert is much less prestigeous than the New Year's Concert of the Vienna Philharmonic.
@walterbishop3668
@walterbishop3668 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my God with Jessie Norman. Now this the Avengers
@citzie
@citzie 12 жыл бұрын
Dear Lord, Please forgive the 1 person who felt compelled to play God and/or the devil and choose to register a "dislike" of this performance. Such ego-grandiosity in the midst of such majesty is act of a miscreant's malice. If a mistake, I pray it be corrected. Amen.
@b.murenthaler
@b.murenthaler 11 ай бұрын
Karajan the Outstanding ! This Class is gone ! ......
@maganz
@maganz 13 жыл бұрын
@arrrrrow Maybe that's because the important sense that you would want to totally focus on when listening to music, is your ears?
@caginn
@caginn 12 жыл бұрын
Eu só quis corrigir uma dado que falta, mas, com certeza, as pessoas, se querem, podem ouvir, ver e tambem anunciar este video como o concerto ultimo de Karajan; não para me faz mal :) Boas festas de Portugal !
@caginn
@caginn 13 жыл бұрын
I am tired of correcting this but many people still does the same mistake by labeling this concert as Karajan's last. Has nothing to do with reality since this concert took place in 15.8.1987 and Karajan lived two more years before his death and certainly conducted many concerts (1988 new year concert with Vienna Phil. is one of the more famous ones) and made many recordings. Summary : This is NOT Karajan's final concert. HIs final concert was with the same orc. and he conducted Bruckner 7.
@calvinchiu4239
@calvinchiu4239 10 жыл бұрын
I know Karajan's 1987 the all-Wagner Salzburg concert was filmed. Does any one know where to find the complete concert on blu ray or dvd? There is no way that they just filmed Tannhauser and Tristan und Isolde with Jessye Norman and not the center two pieces of great music.
@poncione
@poncione Жыл бұрын
Emozionante Karajan ❤
@caginn
@caginn 12 жыл бұрын
Não percebi nada da sua pergunta. Podia escrever em Portugues?
@caginn
@caginn 13 жыл бұрын
@rolandscheicher You have been to that concert ?! I simply envy you. Yes I know very well about the cd editions of those concerts and their occasions, I've them both. Thanks for the info you shared. Here with my comments I am trying to correct the mistake at the title of the video. Surprisingly it seems that the uploader doesn't care about it :) Anyway...
@TheBullshitartist
@TheBullshitartist 13 жыл бұрын
I have a tape(not original) from his first consert...
@goodmanmusica
@goodmanmusica 13 жыл бұрын
great but this is not his last concert!
@parvisien
@parvisien 12 жыл бұрын
1987 le concert du Nouvel An mais ça ne change pas le principe...mon dernier concert avec Karajan au TCE Paris Brahms 1ère symphonie strapontin à 970F (largement moins que 150€ lol)
@goodmanmusica
@goodmanmusica 13 жыл бұрын
@MyMusic0201 no, in his last years he conducts with his eyes open
@obiwan88
@obiwan88 2 жыл бұрын
@Greatness Leadership Coaching Ten years had passed, and you not corrected your mistake? This is not Karajan's last concert. Don't bother to upload if you are not interested in even checking.
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 12 жыл бұрын
@goodmanmusica And THAT is rrRRR-EE-AHLLEE significant...
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 13 жыл бұрын
@MsMrgrinch WHO are all these self-important characters who declare "case closed"??!!! WHAT is THEIR competence in this kind of music??!!!
@SteveBradley-m5s
@SteveBradley-m5s Жыл бұрын
What piece is this?
@goodmanmusica2
@goodmanmusica2 4 жыл бұрын
This Is Not his last concert!!!
@MAMAZKIAN
@MAMAZKIAN 14 жыл бұрын
Here we see a different Karajan.........
@mootropolis
@mootropolis 11 жыл бұрын
who was the lady who was singing with him? what a beautiful voice.
@pietalpha2
@pietalpha2 11 жыл бұрын
Jessye Norman
@keiji4956
@keiji4956 13 жыл бұрын
KARAJAN !!!!!!! T-T
@gddecker
@gddecker 11 ай бұрын
Will you please fix this already?!?! NOT Karajan's last concert!
@tromuniapp
@tromuniapp 11 жыл бұрын
I thought it was 8?
@teodorojaranilla5008
@teodorojaranilla5008 Жыл бұрын
the only WORD appropriate for KARAJAN...: TRANSCENDENT...i just wish he had singers even late in his life..of the Vocal power and clarity as Flagstad..Ljuba Welitsch..Cebotari Helen Traubel for any of the Wagner / Strauss...EVEN shirley verret would have been nice to have in at least the LIEBESTOD .but since the "biggest" ones left in the late career of THE GREAT Karajan...are ......huge body but woofy voiced ones..LIKE nORMAN .we have to deal with it..and just enjoy the last of HERBERT VON KARAJAN..
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 12 жыл бұрын
@tasteism The subtle distinction is useless: glory to both composer and conductor... How could the music of long-dead composers be still enjoyed, if it weren't for the living performers ??!!!
@PaulJones-oj4kr
@PaulJones-oj4kr 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, NOT the last concert. For God's sake get your posts right.
@citzie
@citzie 12 жыл бұрын
@Gheorgyi If indeed he did meet the maestro, we can be assured that at the "critical" point, the maestro didn't look :)
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 12 жыл бұрын
@abmsghost1 - I - Well, kudos to his memory even if he was a "manipulator". If by "manipulation" is meant, he managed very efficiently the Berliner Philarmoniiker AND Deutsche Gramophon Gesellschaft a.k.a. DGG, brought both to vertiginous heights and made money in the process, the better for him AND FOR US: it means that after many years, when the all-American assortrment of Madonna's, Michael Jackson's and Justin Bieber's will be all and forgotten as the trash it is, ./. II
@MyMusic0201
@MyMusic0201 13 жыл бұрын
He LOOKS at the orchestra! He never did that!
@remotoadamotroppovelocelaf868
@remotoadamotroppovelocelaf868 Жыл бұрын
No.ha diretto ad occhi aperti anche il Te Deum di Bruchner.
@mauriciourraponce4076
@mauriciourraponce4076 Жыл бұрын
Turandot???
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 13 жыл бұрын
@arrrrrow The "critical" point, that he doesn't look at the orchestra??!!! Pardon me, I thought the critical point would be the quality of the performance... In earlier times, he did look at it; at this time, he had reached such a connection he may have not needed "to look". "You've met him": should we conclude you were his intimate friend? Maybe he cared more about the quality of the performance than about "the check"? And a manager, notoriously, tends to cheat his customers... (kidding...)
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 13 жыл бұрын
@MsMrgrinch All these "superior minds" who sentence "case closed" make me laugh. I'd love to see THEM conducting a symphonic orchestra of about 100 components. They look at him because the movements of his hands and his gestuality tells them what to do (as though, at this level and after years of experience together, there were any need...), while he can't develop a divergent squint by looking at the same time at the first violins AND at the basso's. All you ridiculous know-all, pipe down.
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 12 жыл бұрын
@abmsghost1 . ./. - II - we are and still will be able to listen to this beautiful music which is being kept for our enjoyment by the likes of HvK.Celibidache,Fricsay,Munch? all good conductors, no doubt. but "superior" to HvK??!!! Bulls**t.This mania of slighting him is a symptom of political phobia and american (lower case, intentional) jingoism. With the exception of the much over-rated Leonard Bernstein,the americans haven't produced ONE conductor worth of mention,in life or post-humous.
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 12 жыл бұрын
@arrrrrow "... knowing from insiders like his manager how he treated people." But YOU were NOT an "insider", were you??!!! That's called"hearsay", bozo, and is not admissible as "evidence", anywhere. "...there are quite a few flawed recordings..." That may be a matter of recording, rather than of performance. And it would be so interesting to know just what credentials you have to pose as such a musical connoisseur.
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 12 жыл бұрын
@cagin For YOU, also, you know-all: WHAT's the importance if it was his last one, or second-last, or third-last? Just stop "correcting", mister, AND making yourself a pain-in-the-ass. Lean back, relax and enjoy the MUSIC and this extraordinary way of playing and conducting it. WHAT are YOUR musical qualifications? may be you are proficient with an ocarina, or with a Jew's harp?
@Gheorgyi
@Gheorgyi 12 жыл бұрын
@abmsghost1 It's not being "rude", but impatient with fools. "Irrelevant"? I bet you don't even know what that phrase means. OF COURSE HvK held himself in very high esteem: he was conscious of his own worth. Should he have faked modesty to accommodate your father? He didn'y "abuse" any of the great composers, he conducted their music. I'm tired of this kind of bickering, and calling myself out of it. PS: "Age 104"? Don't be ridiculous.
Wagner 'Liebestod', Karajan Norman The Rehearsal
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