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[@izatihusna3334]

" Music is not a competition everyone " - wise word from a wise man , Kim Jongdae , Chennie 2017

[@mardy86]

Congrats to our jongdaeddy for his first baby girl...

[@izatihusna3334]

@@mardy86 yes !!!! Congratsss Chen APPA 🥺❤️❤️❤️

[@htttp.smilee]

Exol become Aunties now♥️♥️

[@abhasingh6865]

@@htttp.smilee I am happy to become aunty of that cute little one.

[@blackpink6478]

@@abhasingh6865 same 💕

[@ViAnHi]

I remember that day clearly. I wasn't an EXO-L then but boy did stan twitter blow up that night. We Cassiopeias where shocked because we all knew Exo's gonna take home at least 4 awards and suddenly MNET pulled something like this. Not to mention the violence of the staff against the Fans. I remember a video going around where Baekhyun an the other members where asking the crowd if they're okay. They were really shocked and even called out the security on it. I'm glad SM isn't sending their artists there anymore.

[@eri6984]

Well not suprised since Mnet disrespect TVXQ from 2008 till now 😔 We get each other 😂

[@yeosanglinesstan6996]

Wayv attend... but I hope it was the last cause mnet sucks

[@MAHA-ws9nx]

yeosang lines stan wayv attended as an artist from the label V and they won the new Asian artist award so clearly mnet dealt with them as Chinese artists

[@yeosanglinesstan6996]

@@MAHA-ws9nx I dont know anything about that or what. Lol I just know they are from SM

[@jongdaelicious2909]

EXO saw every part of the mistreatment that night. They were watching the fans so intently, seeing all the fans cry and getting mistreated by the staff. The fans were practically bawling by the time they won album of the year and you can see EXO crying for the fans too. And when the caption "Tears of joy" was put on their 2019 teaser the fandom was HYSTERICAL. They had the fucking audacity to say that shit when they know what they did in 2017. You wouldn't know how mad everyone was that day. Some fandoms still use that image to hurt EXO-Ls to fuel fanwars.

[@khairunnisaaulia8367]

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[@sehunnieismyoneandonly5561]

They're really shameless tho and i'm glad never voted or watching that shitty show again That night indeed a horible night for the boys and us(exoL) Seeing them crying like that just break my heart😢

[@izatihusna3334]

ㅠㅠ

[@exomake_mehorololo]

Karma will come back to them one day 😑

[@jongdaelicious2909]

@@Tharushi_Anthony EXO is known to be a Daesang sweeper, meaning in any category they are nominated in, they will win. In MAMA 2017, they went home with one award although everyone knew they should've won nearly every single one(especially back when EXO-Ls was the biggest fandom). They were even added to perform in the middle although they were one of the senior artist at the award show. MAM* is still sabotaging EXO and it's pretty well known. A few days ago, Soribad*(which have ties with MAM*) didn't add EXO onto their list of artists although they fit every single qualification. Even came up with a bs excuse so... you can look this all up, but the video explains it pretty well.

[@miezue4646]

Even Leeteuk from Super Junior asked the purpose of their appearance that night. They didn't even won anything that night. What they did that night were just supported and took care of their little brothers and sisters. Bruhhh I still remember Taemin and Super Junior were tried to comforted EXO. I'm still glad that SM family were there to support each other. EXO never care about awards, they said that multiple times and asked us to stop buying their album. They just care about EXO-L happiness and safety. That night they cried because of what EXO-Ls have gone through not because of awards.

[@shammelexo]

THATS THE REASON WHY EXO STOP ATTENDING THOSE AWARDING SHOWS ANYMORE, OUR BOYS DOESN'T NEED THOSE TRASH (AWARDS) AS LONG AS THEY HAVE STABLE VOCALS AND OVERFLOWING TALENTS, EXO AND EXOLS ARE HAPPY.

[@ednamodee]

unbound bye troll

[@okieDemi]

@@Alpha-jb9ch No, its because they were utterly disrespected

[@sergioruiz8247]

@@Alpha-jb9ch jajajja, have you watch the video?

[@izatihusna3334]

Exactly , msnake doesn't deserves our king 🙃🔥

[@shammelexo]

if y'all have watch the whole video, you will understand everything.

[@zero-four9817]

More infos : EXO were victims of chart manipulation multiple times The Hanteo chart (a very known music platform) was the one that went viral Hanteo manipulated EXO's album sales in 2017 we camplained a lot but no one believed us after 14 months I SAY 14 MONTHS EXO Ls were proved to be right Hanteo apologised and admitted that they really manipulated EXO's album sales In 2016, Melon music awards denied an award which rightfully belonged to EXO. When fans demanded an explanation from the show conductors, they simply stated it was due to "Internal data". But on October 2017, Melon released the details of most streamed song in 2016, and it was EXO's Monster, with 190,898,389 streams! Gaon made several last minute changes to the award qualification criteria Seoul Music Awards (SMA) did not nominate EXO for the 2017 award categories even when EXO was perfectly qualified for all the top awards. And a lot more shit and disrespectful behaviours toward EXO Lots of artists know not just EXO and complained about the chart manipulation and the unfairness Now Mnet officially no longer counts as a chart in Korea I saw this back in 2019 in trusted accounts and sites but i'm not sure if it's official!

[@dillarobiatulazmi1237]

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[@lightwind3438]

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[@lbhctn]

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[@khairunnisaaulia8367]

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[@khairunnisaaulia8367]

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[@kace97514]

The thing is EXO found out about what happened to EXO-Ls *DURING* the show. They had been watching us all through the night and saw everything. The mistreatment towards EXO-Ls, the whole lightstick issue which they only took from EXO-Ls btw, they saw everything. Sehun saw the video on weibo during the show so they knew. So instead of enjoying the show, they were worried about EXO-Ls and our safety. We were crying throughout because of tiredness, hurt, frustration. Then they won album of the year, went on stage and just broke down because they saw what we were going through. And even before the award show season, EXO were victims of chart manipulations. In 2016 we complained to Melon that our streaming numbers were not adding up & we lost an award that was rightfully EXO's but all we got were excuses from the company about "internal data" and comments to shut up because "EXO were still doing well". Only for the real result to come out in 2017 with Monster being the most streamed song in 2016 with over 190 million streams. But they still didn't give EXO the award or apologise. In 2017, we were called liars for 14 months for calling out Hanteo on their manipulations on EXO's sales chart numbers only for them to publish the real results and show that we're weren't lying. They completely discounted EXO's Chinese sales which according to the rules they were supposed to include. Many idols/artists have complained about chart manipulations including digital monsters like IU so it was not only EXO that have been robbed of the rewards of their hard work.

[@duuwuwb6d6e6sc]

It's true. The reason why they cried is not because they didn't win the award.

[@izatihusna3334]

That " tears of joy " really got me pissed off heol-

[@breezymango4113]

Yes. A famous actor who was MCing(?) part of the Award show said that EXO really broke down, backstage afterwards. I think he said that Super Junior ( EXO's seniors in SM) had to comfort and try to calm them down.

[@kace97514]

@@breezymango4113 yh I heard about that too. I was so pissed back then and then MNet had the AUDACITY to say "Tears of Joy" when they damn well knew they fucked up

[@exomake_mehorololo]

Who is behind this? Clearly successful artists are the target to make room for less successful bands....the only reason can be money... it's always about money

[@ZainalAbidin-lj6ew]

Facts "No YG No Party" because only YG can give them high rating/views and euphoria, "No SM No Audience" because only SM fandom can filled venue no matter how big the venue they use in South Korea. Periodt

[@aerikyll]

omg, this 🔥. i miss old kpop world

[@dillarobiatulazmi1237]

True

[@lightwind3438]

Thats really true 👏👏

[@jefferson682]

That's actually not true, the attendance still big even without SM and YG, thanks to ARMY

[@recallsunshinesv]

Exactly

[@_onlygrouptostan]

Exo said that winning an award is not important, what really matters for them now is their happiness being together and to be with exols.

[@mo_onkg]

So that why a lot natizen,other idol call exo-l are strong fandom more than other fandom I realy hope exo not getting hurt anymore

[@jraven4567]

@@mo_onkg Nah, I think they put it behind them. They know what is important, and for them, that just isn't winning awards. Being together, making great music and spending time with their fans is what they want, and it's what EXO-L's want too. Everything else is just so stressful. Being on top is fun, but if people get hurt and stressed over it, then it is time to change.

[@sehunnieismyoneandonly5561]

Yessssss As long all of us happy the boys not thinking about awards again bc what they really want now is to seeing their fans happy with their performanced My humble kings😭

[@itzstraypinkkingsqueens8728]

And that's why their my no.1 fav Male idol group they don't brag they don't say they want to get this or that

[@yutanakamoto7069]

💙💙💙

[@niva2041]

honestly we the exoL are very hurt and the victims of mama are not just exo, but artists from YG entertainment too Fyi Even G Dragon and Chanyeol made diss songs for Mnet

[@haryatimahmud5447]

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[@dillarobiatulazmi1237]

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[@sehunnieismyoneandonly5561]

😭😭😭

[@tamariskaoei123]

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[@parkade4499]

Yes yes of course Chanyeol more popular than MNET 프핳하하

[@reem32513]

Fun fact: the viewership ratings actually dropped after SM's artists(Super Junior, EXO, Redvelvet and NCT) performances that night (MAMA 2017) and it felt like a good slap to M*et's face so they know not to disrespect these groups. On a side note I think some people just thought it was the ending since the two oldest groups that day (EXO, Super Junior) performed so they just turned it off🤷🏽‍♀️

[@laurainathunderstorm]

I think that too (about people stopping watching after Suju) also YG artists don't attend anymore if I'm not mistaken right?

[@juliamaciel6681]

@@laurainathunderstorm yes

[@2188엘]

Illegal votes is one using bots, softwares and fake accounts. No offense to wannaone, but mnet made EXO perform before them a rookie group.

[@LOU__]

Just- the disrespect..

[@SP-ek8zv]

ohhh even them?? wow

[@izatihusna3334]

msnake 🙃🔥

[@clakaw]

And Wannaone even won best male group. Barely 4 months after debut? How did that happen?

[@LOU__]

@@clakaw the things they do to prevent them from winning

[@zeisproutoh9596]

When YG and SM artists stopped attending.... MAMA became sooooo boring. Fact ✔

[@aunillah6465]

Fact ☑

[@cyndirahmaniaazhniputri2974]

Really fact

[@sehunnieismyoneandonly5561]

Fact

[@laychan180]

Fact↗️↗️

[@khristelperez7888]

100% fact

[@sarahkellar5287]

I really like the fact that you guys aren't just reacting to mvs or live performances like other reactors. You guys are actually taking your time to get to know EXO and their past and who they are and I really respect you guys for that and I want to thank you for your videos because I really enjoy watching them.

[@cw.12210]

Mnet is honestly disrespectful. Why would they disrespect EXO like that. And the fact they were rude to EXO-Ls too is just horrible.

[@recillenonnot7760]

MNET being a snake is the reason why their are many fan wars

[@didinau]

MNET, Mama did a great job turning fandoms against each other. Evil.

[@mal9262]

That is for sure

[@user-xt4si7yz3r]

You can't blame all the toxicity that followed this award show solely on Mnet. Fandoms should know themselves not to let out their frustration on and shit on groups that were completely innocent, period.

[@didinau]

@@user-xt4si7yz3r True, but surely that was their intention.

[@maggsun]

N oh yeaaaah WE CAN

[@rinafiles]

@@user-xt4si7yz3r i agree

[@NessaAnd9]

honestly, there are also fandoms who misses exols during award shows.. because exols are known also to support other group that are performing...

[@user-ty1jr8hy7e]

Exactly

[@runnerup6900]

have seen several fandoms from YG & soloists tweeting that they were missing EXOLs in awards shows.EXOLS are the most supportive fandom when it comes to hyping other artists even when we are in majority.

[@yeosanglinesstan6996]

I'm not trying to be offensive but these mama without sm artists especially EXO feels empty..... I feel bad for other idols there.. didnt get what they deserve. I really want mama to shut down. And just vanish

[@happysoul8528]

@@runnerup6900 yes because EXO themselves hype the artists who are performing on stage so it comes from them:-)

[@wangxiaoyizhan6823]

It's because exo taught us to support other

[@isabelrios7892]

The thing is, the voting was about 2-3 million gap in every category but the voting was only 40%of the criteria but that didn’t matter because the other criteria was sales and digital streams, which again exo was also #1, exo MET EVERY CRITERIA yet they won only 1 award, but “antis” thought we were mad because another group took those awards, but NO, everything we were trying to say was that exo met every criteria AND EVEN surpassed every single group that night by thousands Monster sold million copies Monster was the most streamed song/ highest digital points We did sue Hanteo for lying and people were calling us extreme and blah blah blah Anyways Also about the exols being pushed around, an exol had a heart problem and she was also pushed and had to be rushed to the hospital that day

[@Sonnerey]

I think the reason some fans from other groups thought it was dissing their own group is because some exo l’s were salty at other groups but they didn’t like try to diss them. Most exo l’s were very mature and didn’t blame the groups, cause they really should just blame mnet. But of course there were very few, (VERY FEW) that kind of implied that they were salty that other groups won. So basically this is all mnets fault 😂 They cause fan wars

[@isabelrios7892]

《кαямα ・αѕтra》 exactly, I remember telling them again and again that it isn’t against their group, congratulations, but against mnet, but they couldn’t understand back then

[@jraven4567]

I thought it was KoKoBop and The War for 2017? Monster and Exact were for 2016.

[@isabelrios7892]

J Raven mama 2017 is for 2016 achievements

[@isabelrios7892]

J Raven no sorry it was for kokobop but still they were also the most streamed and sold 1 million albums when no other group back then had done it before

[@welcometothejaam988]

Mnet also majorly disrespected Super Junior, another SM group (a legendary 2nd gen group) by making them perform one song (and again messing the order up). Despite that SuJu tried their best to comfort EXO :( I think that's also why SM decided to just not send their groups anymore. It's more of a "last straw" thing for me tbh, because SM and Mnet have been beefing since 2009.

[@shokohdelnavaz8581]

Really??? Just one for legendary group 😒😒😒 I'm VIp so I didn't watched mama after 2015 n didn't know what happened to exo n suju I watched this video for info So disrespectful 😔😔 Sujub is even older than BB

[@appaappa6937]

I cried... this was such a painful even and we Exols are still here today despite everything that had happened . We love EXO for who they are . And also anyone else realised how the hype for awards show nowadays are so low and uncelebrated 😂...

[@aunillah6465]

Sameeeee! It still painful! And I still mad for it

[@akanshaborthakur3490]

Of course it is uncelebrated cuz everyone knows who will get the awards.... like there's no more suspence n excitement

[@sehunnieismyoneandonly5561]

And that's why exo never want to an awards or winning some award again they performing in the stage just for their fans who really loved them just they way they are😢 As long exoL happy our boys will happy too

[@yehetohorat9915]

@@lilybby EXO stopped going on award shows after holding their 5th in a row album of the year daesang, guiniess world record, in their hands cause they knew (and saw on social medias, mainly Weibo since MAMA is in China) what fans went through. Yall can continue your life with mindset that EXO or any of the companies are pressed cause they "won't win any daesangs" and not just accept the fact they were truly disrespected in so many ways. We will see if yall will still defend award shows when they start doing the same thing to your faves. I'm hoping they wont cause no one deserves that but okay. And idk where did you get that information when kmedias decided not to air any of the award shows anymore since ratings were always low, but past years were even worse.

[@ohchevi4268]

@@lilybby but all SM artists are no longer promoting on mcountdown aka mnet music shows ... this has happened since early 2018 till now. You can check by u self, actually since RV "Bad Boy" Comeback.

[@mo_onkg]

So that's why I'm not watching MAMA anymore because i feel like trauma, hurt and mad😢😔

[@sehunnieismyoneandonly5561]

I feel u and yess for me If bigbang or exo doesn't attend so not interest at all to see this shitty show again

[@yeosanglinesstan6996]

I'm watching the idols who are performing cause I cant resist them lol. But when it just uploaded on youtube cause I want to avoid the awarding part. Cause nah I dont wanna hear lies anymore

[@ihssanel119]

EXO cried because they knew what happened to EXOLs they knew that EXOLs got injured...

[@kritikab.694]

I am not even exo fan..but that was so rude of MAMA...m glad that sm n yg boycott this biased fake MAMA...G DRAGON..we want another shady performance about these award shows now .but on serious note ..it created respect for exo in my heart..i will listen to their music now

[@NessaAnd9]

just last year.. one politician actually wanted to have mnet investigated because of the shady manipulation of votes as well during Produce 101.. theres a lot of issues with mnet. this not only happened to EXO.. so imagine why YG Ent also stopped their artists going to the award show. 🙄😏

[@earthmixxing]

Yes YG also had a bad relationship with Mnet Lol GD went and dissed Mnet on the MAMA stage calling them out on their BS and now YG groups also don’t go to these shows

[@aprlialia2233]

EXOKAI'S WIFE yg had bad relationship with other too... Except sbs.

[@ronnnmmm]

@@aprlialia2233 nah just KBS , YGE don't want their artists perform on KBS music shows bcs the recording session took so long from dawn until midnight and the stage is limited too so they can't make the stage be more suitable for their artists to perform and make it looks bland

[@izatihusna3334]

Again I cried , Everytime I saw that video .. I remember how exhausted my friends(exols) and I that day .. we kept voting everyday even we're so busy with school stuff (btw that year i've one of the biggest exam my my life) and those terrible stuff happened , the scar is still there y'know .. well I'm glad EXO decided not to attend any awards show even tho I kinda miss em .. btw love y'all thanks for the reaction 🤧❤️

[@mrpiggy4031]

MNET DID EXO DIRTY - they collected lightsticks when EXO are performing at stage - in 7 awards but only 1 EXO did win when in fact EXO is totally IN in all that criteria - Best Male Group was given to wannaone where in fact EXO won that award by votings they get the highest vote but still they didn't win (not hating to wannaone i love them) - the disrespect, in korea the SENIORS must be perform in LAST but mnet change the performace for a last minute they put EXO first before wannaone (rookie group) - best OST, clearly chanyeol and punch won that award by votes but guess what, they didn't - the staff are hurting EXO-Ls physically using barricades ( EXO saw that thats why they're crying at that night) - during performace of EXO, the light was off how rude is that? - in mama 2019 mnet used Chanyeol photo of crying with a caption of "TEARS OF JOY" like wtf we all know the reason why he cried at that night and it's not because he's happy that because he knew what is going on that night.

[@sinabctricks1313]

in 2017 best selling album was love yourself tear(Bts) ,Bt it was given to Exo;it is also unfair right.Bt u never mention it once ; no hates for eXo

[@_jiya_1448]

Can u tell me that why chanyeol cry that night is for exol rude bihavior or something else and i am new exol thats why i don't know about it.......

[@mrpiggy4031]

@@_jiya_1448 because exo knows what's going on exo-ls, the staffs are using baricade to push exo-ls idk but exo-ls outside are physically hurt because of that, that's why he cried, because he can't do anything about it.

[@shammelexo]

YOU WANT TO SEE EXO CHANYEOL DISSING MNET?😏 REACT TO EXO CHANYEOL AND HEIZE "DONT MAKE MONEY" (ofc with eng subs) edit:wtf i just realized that it is Heize when i check my playlist a minute ago, im so stupid

[@lauravillamil3542]

Every time i see something about that my heart hurts

[@lauravillamil3542]

was the first and the last time that i vote

[@لينالتميمي-ص1غ]

Actually Chanyeol was totally crying to death because he is blaming himself for EXO just winning 1 award that night (which is not right to blame himself). But because Chanyeol participate a lot in their album that year he thinks that the music is not that good that's why they didn't win those award. And EXO knows and feel what Mnet do that night and seeing EXOL in the audience crying makes them more emotional.

[@SeanPascual]

its been almost 3 years but MAMA 2017 traumatized me so much that I can't even watch any performance from that day. exo and exo-ls deserved better.

[@ohchevi4268]

Same.... I just watched EXO perf that day once...just think bout it make me trauma.

[@nissaa.5842]

Exo didnt cry because they didnt win the other awards, they cried because of all the bullshit that was happening, exo is very thankful of exo-l , if it wasnt for their fans they will not be this big. Thats why their are upset because exol put so much effort in voting. But even all this bullshit happening exo stayed professional and perform amazingly as always. Exo dont treat exol as just fans, they treat them as family ,same with exol, with all the years theyve been throu, since their debut. That why EXO-L is tge most powerful fanbase out there, you can look up articles and videos on how exol supports exo to the highest lvl, like their willing to spend millions. Im a new exol but i did my research to understand everything from the start. Thank you for your reaction to this.

[@rashidap.3683]

when I entered the fandom exo already stop attending award shows and exols boycott any voting. I only witness their voting power during FIFA POLL and SOOMPI BEST FANDOM AWARD. those are are base on Twitter and only last for 24hr. and that was legendary

[@ohchevi4268]

So true... I love that facts even more now... 😁 legendary competition... Like my life depend on the results 😅 ahhhhh we made a golden history!!! Remmeber we also won all damn 3 popularity awards in Seoul Music Award in Jan 2020, Actually, we still powerful...💪 But, we need just take a rest now cause EXO is going to hiatus as group.

[@isabelrios7892]

We are still like that, it’s just we don’t see it as important anymore but if mama 2017 hadn’t happened we would still be known as voting monsters

[@eri6984]

EXOLs just won best fan army 40M votes

[@happysoul8528]

Not just voting but in ticketing also. The tickets always goes sold out in blink of eye.😅

[@zdklmiedits1376]

Let's work hard for soribada, voting is currently happening right now. Fighting eris!

[@ohchevi4268]

Guys, usually voting take 30% of the whole criteria bside sales, judging, etc.... Thats why, voting is surely important, thats why we EXO-L voting like crazy in every EXO nomination.. But since 2017 seems like Kpop industry so tired already seeing EXO-Ls always make EXO win in everything... I told u, EXOLs really experts on vote, especially popularity awards that 100% based on vote, like u knw, the beginning of this year, there were 3 popularity awards (Korean popularity, International popularity and China popularity) in Seoul Music Awards (SMA), n as exepcted, I AM SO PROUDLY SAY THAT WE WON ALL OF THEM!!! FYI, EXOLs unstoppable.... Even EXO stop coming to award events... We still powerful enough, as long the award show not cheating us...

[@asmachouiter2689]

Despite all this injustice that they were subjected to, they are still the best and most wonderful and we are still with them and we will support and encourage them because they deserve it and we love them #LetsLove💓 #WeGotThePower💙

[@Ashanti-ow5il]

and you know as an exo-l i get really sad because so many people assume that exo is bad and that they shouldn’t check them out bc of all the assumptions from anti-s and of course the rotten apples of the fandom 🙄 when in reality exo is such an AMAZING group that i think everyone should get to check out.

[@memescrayfish9632]

I cried for 2 hours after the show. Like I was mad as fvck. I feel sorry for my Boys and co-exo l's because we really worked hard. EXO don't deserve this. It's almost been 3 years but I STILL CAN'T FORGET IT AND I WILL NEVER FORGET IT. LIKE, I CAN'T EVEN GO TO SLEEP BECAUSE I WAS SOBBING. SEEING EXO AND EXO-L'S CRY REALLY MAKES MY HEART BREAK.

[@sehunnieismyoneandonly5561]

Yesss absolutely I never can't forget that night what they doing to our boys and our exoL💔

[@erie5552]

I didn’t sleep either. I was live streaming since red carpet in my dorm... I was just crying as the award show progressed, and I couldn’t stop sobbing afterwards... I was in a livestream with other fandoms and everyone was shocked every time EXO wasn’t called,,, what people forget is that it wasn’t only exols expecting exo to win several nominations, but other fandoms as well!!!

[@honeysweet7577]

Honestly exo no need those kind of award, their talent spoke to us.... Nothing we can do about that. The fact exo is the most talented group is hurting pride of popularity.. And how funny when the composer of exo complaining, so many agency ask him to make their idol look alike exo lol

[@notmyname3556]

The painful part is that exo wasn't the only one disrespected that night. Half of the line up did. Even LeeTeuk Super Junior posted online with, 'why am I even here tonight?' It's so painful for me to watch the show

[@eri0416]

We cried sooooo much that day, at the end when they won we literally break down... we were sooooo angry upset worried about EXO and it was mutual, they were checking on us on social media etc Honestly the atmosphere during the show wa really awkward even others group were aware of what is happening to EXO

[@heyitsmehrikami]

YG entertainment and SM entertainment didn't allow their idols attend here now. G-Dragon and Chanyeol made a rap for MNET you might check it.

[@chocoo732]

EXOLs worked so hard on voting, i've never voted so hard for an award show like i did for mama2017. we voted day and night we really did work hard for it and EXO deserved those awards! that day EXO cried and we cried. they disrespected our boys I am glad that EXO dont attend mama anymore they don't deserve EXO.

[@nibrinx]

WE WILL NEVER FORGET THAT VERY NIGHT. A DISRESPECT TO EXO AND EXOLS 😡

[@koolkool9x]

Me, too. I will never forget that night!!!! Even 4 years pass away!!

[@annamao]

Really loved how you guys fleshed out the situations from both point of views in this! imo it's absolutely correct that mnet was attacking sm that night and exo happened to get caught in the middle as sm's biggest artist. The rivalry between sm and mnet actually dates back to 2008,, some backstory: - mnet is an entertainment company owned by the CJ E&M (entertainment and media), which is a division of the CJ Group -- one of the biggest companies within korea - cj e&m holds an insane amount of pull on the distribution aspect of music production within korea, distributing over 40% of physical albums within the country - cj has shares in dsp media (huge company back in the day that produced many of the 1st gen kpop idols (90s)) and yg ent. They were also distributing for jyp - sm ent doesn't only work in music, there are many subsidiaries within travel, retail, food etc. Including a company called SM C&C (culture and contents) which is an advertising and production company. breifly what happned: - sm distributes their own albums and content through sm c&c - as conglomerates, mnet distributes for all big companies in the music industry except for sm, so in 2008 they propose to distribute music of sm in return for a percentage of profit from the music sales - sm denies as they feel they can distribute themselves, and don't need to pay another entity for something they can do themselves - mnet undoubtedly held a grudge and snsd's gee 'fails' to enter top 10 for mcountdown until an entire month after release whereas gee was able to top all other charts for 9 weeks straight - sm boycotts mama 2009 and no sm artists attend except jyj (which ig weren't sm artists at that point ) - no sm artists received daesangs in 2009 mamas, despite of snsd's gee and genie

[@ruchimaurya6629]

i totally agree as u guys stated its between the companies and poor groups gets caught in the middle of their sh*ts.🙄😑 And we don't know what is going behind the scenes so making a comment regarding it not correct!!

[@adibarosli1935]

i really want this reaction so far 😭

[@stanexo7267]

Bruh I will never forget this NEVER

[@intissartaboubi]

when exo was mistreated that day I knew that they are the right grp to stan cz they got on mnet nerves by being talenteeed ... and now exo cleary said they dont care anymore abt ranking voting and award they just want to make music for us and they just wanna continue as 9 members to the death abd I live by that ❤

[@maryjoy7312]

I can see that exo and exols bond is so strong. I think that's the reason why some members are crying that night it's because they saw the efforts and hardships of their fans specially in voting they give their best to make exo leads in every category and thinking that their fans effort aren't paid off because they only won one award they think that their fans are sad so exo comforted them through their speech that it's okay and music is not competition.

[@wiya640]

Omg.. i saw this again n im cry again.. Can't forget about that..

[@clakaw]

I watched the awards on livestream, and I remember being perplexed as hell. I was one of those EXO-Ls that religiously voted everyday, and expected EXO to win more awards. I waited all night, and EXO ended up only with one. ONE!!! Plus, no offence to Wannaone, but how on earth did they win Best Male Group after only a little shy of 4 months of debut? They were nominated with veteran and well-loved male groups too! Then I remembered the company holding the awards is the same company who produced them...mystery solved.

[@dannyjoo6706]

Mnet is damn corrupted. Knetizens need to sue Mnet.

[@saletevirzi1007]

That day was so hard, exols were very sad with the whole situation, i just wanted it to end soon for exo to leave that place. I spent the rest of the day very upset because exo made so much history in that shit award and mnet does that.

[@lemonxunqiwalker237]

I can totally understand why they were crying (exo and exols) I mean I teared up by just seeing what happened especially the physical harrassment towards the exols that's insane I knew that some staff pushed the fandom but I didn't imagine it was that bad

[@lea_w6946]

I always remember what Baekhyun said. Buy a padding coat instead of our album and take care of yourself.

[@sunshine_sofia]

I remember that day clearly, EXO-Ls who attended the award upload EVERYTHING that happened. And yes, I could see the videos where the guards crushed them with the bars so that they did not come out. LIVE. I heard them scream and be scared by the people running around to catch them, when they just wanted to get out of the place. MAMA security group basically held them against their freedom.

[@emmcee6045]

Actually Super Junior was there too during that night. Mnet last minute contacted Super Junior to perform but during that day they also cut Suju performance and even changed the arrangement of their performance. Suju and exo are SM boybands...

[@chincann]

i never forget that 😭

[@wangxiaoyizhan6823]

I'm really thankful to suju for comforting exo that night,even they themselve got mistreated too they're the best sunbae ever

[@rraabbiinnaa3438]

Even some days before, Mnet again did there trashy work against EXO. They blurred Lay's face in growl MV and telecasted that on their show while Lay is still an EXO member!!! Like what kinda behaviour is that!? Just imagine how the members would feel after seeing that!? MNET is just shameless. They are so much obsessed with EXO

[@bubblebaek2748]

im crying again .. im totally not forget about that moment.

[@chocoo732]

I really hate remembering mama 2017 it really did break my heart i never voted in mama again.. I LOVE EXO WITH ALL OF MY HEART but those awards are not worth it really not worth EXO and EXOLs tears ..

[@blueberry9209]

The show was 4 hours long and exo had to wait till it ended for that 1 award they won......

[@alazz1406]

Honestly, I amazed with EXOL, they could find everything fishy and proved it to the world, they are kinda intelligent for EXO, EXOL isn't like the other fandom, they have the power and the brain which is in another level, that's why EXO is safe with EXOL, and that's why you shouldn't play with EXOL, you're in danger if you did something wrong with this fandom. I don't know how they do that.. but EXOL is the greatest fandom ever, they are whole package

[@wangxiaoyizhan6823]

Yeah even me I can't believe how smart these fandom is.

[@gyoriv19]

That night was a mess not just for exo and exol's but but for other artist too. Just mnet was the most disrespectful and cruel to exo and exol. Even V from BTS cried that night because most of the artists was treated bad . And V and Bts is in a good relationship with exo the are realy good friends.

[@geshellousuacillo7112]

I was hurt because of two things: 1. How EXO and the fans were treated. 2. The fact that EXO was hurt for what happened

[@mirnapcy8450]

They were cheated, Chanyeol cried because he loved EXO-L, because EXO-L's hard work was manipulated instead. EXO dear EXO-L. In fact we are willing to stay up late to support EXO on the chart, Actually EXO wins. But EXO was cheated and instead another Idol won. It's not that we're crazy about awards, but this is the truth they are Manipulating the EXO Chart

[@Nini-gz2qr]

illegal votes can be by hacking the system, or simply using bots, since websites are pretty easily hackable. it is obvious to us because when you vote for mnet, you have to vote for ALL categories, clicking endless of time before actually submitting the votes. so the total of votes for all categories should be the same right? since exols have always been pro at voting, with exo being nominated since the 1st year after their debut, we're very organized with this. Immediately we noticed that votes for girl groups and solos and boygroups doesnt equate. and we know it's impossible to submit your votes if you don't vote for all categories.

[@zeisproutoh9596]

I cried a river for a long time after this happened in 2017. I cried too when the original video was uploaded. And my anger bolted up again and made my cry this time. MAMA made us all EXO-LS heartbroken not just for a night but for a lifetime. (It's not a funny thing tho)

[@vicente.buniel113]

I am an Army and after watching this, it makes me cry. I missed their interaction with my faves😔😭 well, Mnet is a trash tbh

[@yoongismom6340]

Does MNET has other criteria for a group to win an award?? Cause based on award shows last year i think it was just based through fans' votes.

[@anastasiiaiu4267]

@@yoongismom6340 i think it's supposed to be fans votes like 60% and music critics 40% or smth, not really sure abt precise numbers but fans votes are the major decisive factors

[@realmary9317]

That day.. I as an Exo-L, cried a lot.. I was sorry about my group and my fandom who were there ... Mnet is nothing..

[@rahmayhanii9259]

Because of that incident, Exo decided to never come again because they don't want bad things to happen to their fans and they cried not only because they were cheated but they cried almost completely because their fans were treated badly

[@alonabaniel343]

I am really exhausted that day. The rest days I wasted for the mass voting, every day after shift I atleast give my 2 hrs using all my emails, asking for accounts to use from voting teams all of those were wasted. It's not about winning but wanting to give all the best to EXO but then we were completely robbed, abused and disrespected. I was hurt and cried after seeing Chanyeol crying, Baekhyun asking us to stop crying. Seeing EXO being disrecpedted is what really hurts us the most. It's jus so awful that after 2017 i stopped creating accts. I stopped joining to any voting teams or any mass voting. I stopped caring to any award shows. I just wanted exo's happiness.

[@sushi5486]

i still remember clearly in 2018, i was new to the fandom and i was voting with so much passion and stuff. And then my friend came and she was like " Don't worry dear, they won't let Exo win even if we work hard." and then she explained what happened in 2017. I was like okay then leave voting and lets stream some videos. *Heartbreak* :((((

[@theladderzone]

i love how that david dude felt our pain. not a lot of people try to even understand how hurt we were that day. also, one of the issues was that when exo finally won mnet played another group song... and on top of that there are insiders who saw super junior comforting exo since they were a crying mess and they like that not only because they felt the support but because they knew what happened to exols and they also felt so pressured and frustrated by the shameless mistreatment they had that day. that company is just trash.

[@breezymango4113]

A famous actor who was MCing(?) part of the Award show said that EXO really broke down, backstage afterwards. I think he said that Super Junior ( EXO's seniors in SM) had to comfort and try to calm them down.

[@nandaherhoust8628]

The worst day in exo-ls lives, and i mean it.

[@lianarochell1543]

I'm not an exo-el but i believe that exo are from the top boygroups of the world it's just bad luck i don't think exo or any group deserves that

[@thandompofu4776]

If only it was bad luck then we would not be crying as much. It was planned. A lot of Exols had the evidence and tried to make people aware. We were totally ignored and It did not make it into the media. Later we were told that the media had been warned not to write anything about our complaints or if anything bad happened to exo should be ignored. Instead they were supposed to be concentrating on writing negatively about exo. This caused Exols to demonstrate outside SM offices in 2017 and we also sued people on exols behalf. Exos downfall was planned. If it was not and there was no such evidence of scheming we would not be as mad as we are. They were caught in between SM's economic wars. It's all SM's fault

[@lianarochell1543]

@@thandompofu4776 i feel so sad about exo but they will be always and forever in the top of the groups in history and i'll always respect the members and i wish the best for them and all exo-els

[@mylittlesheepzyx6619]

I still remember this vividly. I wasnt personally there but I was there with EXO-Ls that night. Lots of international EXO-L were there. We're watching with them. We were with them. We voted our ass out. We put so much effort and invested our time for votings. Those sleepless nights were wasted. Seeing my fam getting hurt and EXO too. Ugh. This still make me cry. Still hurt from what happened.

[@sharramaemurillo4306]

This is just about MNET vs EXO, you wouldnt know how other music charts and othr voting sites manipulate other EXOs awards. A lot of them admitted that they did manipulate the votings. We Exols got receipts and evidence regarding how we vote and how EXO won the awards. We've got proofs. Last year CHENs awards for best solo artst/best male solo artist got robbed not only ines but twice. I was crying, we are crying. Its unfair that we spend hours and days voting without sleeping and somethimes not eating just to make sure that EXO will win. That is how we support EXO. We treat EXO as family. We are one. New kpop fans doesnt know about this but we dont blame them. Its saddens me to see other new kpop fans blame everything to EXO and to us EXOLs.

[@kouxuening3046]

READ THIS Story to clarify on the video Someone: "I remember smth about big3 idols not attending because of “mistreatment” when the mistreatment in question was them not winning awards💀 Their faves stop attending because they stop winning 💅" No, you don't have the right to talk about 'that' MISTREATMENT bcs you don't know what happened, you don't what we've experienced. YOU DON'T KNOW. To clear things out let me tell you a story or more like a nightmare - DECEMBER 01, 2017 EXO were not fine since they stepped on the red carpet. Exo-Ls were not fine since they entered the venue. The disrespect was on another level. Chinese Exo-Ls were beaten by the staffs that wanted to take their lightsticks away (even though ligjtsticks were allowed) and they were mad and disappointed and fckn angry and everyone in the fc knew what happened. Exo knew too. Sehun went on weibo during the ceremony and read all the things cherries were writting. Their stage was cancelled and then moved earlier and they didn't know until they arrived there. Other stuffs of Mama turned off the Mnet lightsticks during Chanyeol's performance (imagine if exo'ls didn't have the aeribongs that those staff wanted to take away). They were pissed and mad and seeing them on stage like this was not something we'd seen before. Even Baekhyun had a numb face. During speech, he asked us not to cry because they received a big award and laughed. That was sarcasm at its finest, if you know him, you get him. Minseok lowkey told mnet they can't stop them no matter how hard they messed with them AND Chanyeol was crying... like he usually DOESN'T, and not because he was super happy and excited, he really didn't expect anything good. He was grateful and he felt sorry for us. They knew the fans wanted to leave but stayed and cheered for them. Yes, we're stressed over a month for nothing. We worked hard to be beaten, robbed and to see Exo mad on stage. It's okay for us not to win those awards if we had ACTUALLY lost but the proof says 'NO. We WON', we really did, the evidence says it all ... and we're hurt because WE EXPECTED IT. After they received that one award, exo being the old exo, managed to bow 90 degrees and suho still thanked exo-ls proudly. K-Exols, C-Exols , especially International Exols are crying as f - we watched that award show until the end, we couldn't do anything about it, we just cried and ranted on social media. Because it's done, the award was robbed in front of us. YOU KNOW WHAT'S WORST?? LAST MAMA 2019, It's still fresh on our minds how mnet used exo for clout. Exo cried because of the mistreatment mama gave exo-ls but again this fckn mnet, brought it up in mama 2019, saying exo cried tears of joy. TEARS OF JOY? mama pushed exo-ls away, plagiarised exo's content, took exo-ls lightstick away and had audacity to say those were tears of joy. TEARS OF JOY BEING MISTREATED just WOW! It's not only EXO! BIGBANG, SuJu, SNSD and 2NE1 went through the corruption too. G-Dragon even dissed MAMA. Despite the voting manipulation, EXO won one award in 2017 compared to their consecutive awards before that. We're not living and stuck on 2016 as what 'you 🐀' are saying. We just don't want to repeat what happened in 2017. 🙃 SO IF YOU'RE NOT ON OUR SHOE, SHUT UP. IF YOU DIDN'T EXPERIENCE WHAT WE FKCN EXPERIENCED. GET LOST. JUST WATCH AND SUPPORT YOUR FAVES, STOP DRAGGING OUR FAVES JUST TO PUT YOU UP. THE AWARDS ARE ALL YOURS, IF YOU THINK YOUR FAVE DESERVES IT. SO BE IT. LOL. But don't come at our faves.

[@watermelonsayhi485]

exo cried just because they saw exols were cry a lot before the album of the year winner announced. they really know that exols upset. i remember, at that time i was spend my time to voted exo and i watched MAMA 2017, everytime they announced the winner of every nominations i was really mad at them and i cried a lot during the event.

[@_onlygrouptostan]

That year is a very tough and hurtful year for both exo and exols and even As you can see the gap of their votes its really frustrating. A lot of exols went that night because they knew that exo won a lot but the opposite thing happened that night. Anyway thanks for your own point of view

[@jijimada8451]

To this day, SM and YG artist never come to award shows. After that year us fandoms( Exo-l, blink,reveluv,VIP, etc.) promised to boycott MNET and MAMA. PS: even on 2019, bp sold out their concert in japan the same day MAMA 2019 was occurring( they even sold more that what MAMA sold) lol

[@britanyawilliams91]

Wait isn't MNET the same as MAMA? But if you're talking about MMA well BP attend mma 2018..I think that was the last time

[@jijimada8451]

@@britanyawilliams91 well idk about that I guess YG decided to promote them on MMA? maybe it is just an MNET thing but BP didn't attend award shows last year either so-

[@from1__107]

That’s why a lot of fans get pissed off when other groups like vixx, blackpink, and more groups don’t go to the mama awards vixx said they didn’t go anymore because they were disrespected and jellyfish didn’t do shit even vixx subunit vixx lr (Leo and Ravi) were invited but Ravi said he wasn’t going to go because at the time he was sick and Leo didn’t want to go cuz he was nervous around others

[@mardy86]

I really don't understand why they treat like this to our Exo?am don't need to buy award for Exo because Exo have an overflowing talent .give the awards to those who need for there popularity...😅😅😅

[@n_jlqlh2877]

I'm glad that EXO are no longer attending these awards. And we have no longer need to care about voting because I'm sure this causes a lot stress and make us disappointed. Anyway keep supporting exo guys.

[@suhanifighters2171]

2020 I just know why chanyeol was crying 😭 like that I'm so confused now I know why poor babies 😭♥️

[@refniathaya9120]

M-ost A-shamed M-usic A-awards

[@shroobzzz]

I may not be a fan of EXO, but EXO-Ls don't deserve this stuff you went through. I saw tweets or posts on why the "tears of joy" incident is full of backlash. When I saw it, I was suspicious. EXO went through a lot, even the fans. At least they don't attend MNET because you know, they're a snake

[@najlaismail7119]

Exo always in our Heart

[@softjonie6608]

whoa I was waiting for someone to react to this :) thank you!

[@dumbrule]

I watched this in the morning and cried.. now i again ...

[@imbelle6030]

Kpop is boring when they start mistreatened this talented artist. SM and YG .

[@siputpcy_1292]

Old wounds #exo_exo'L 💓💕💕💕 #we_are'one 👉🧡

[@exordiums]

awards shows nowadays are no longer "awards" anymore, if you know what i mean. but EXO said awards are not important. our happiness together is the most important

[@from1__107]

I remember one time vixx was “robbed” by exo some starlights were saying we were robbed but in truth mama did mess up the votes vixx was supposed to win but Ravi said “it doesn’t matter winning isn’t everything only our fans happiness matter we might of not won tonight but we hope we can still have your support our starlights and exo congrats and Kai fighting” The reason Ravi said congrats to Kai was because there close friends he used to be Tao friend as well but Sm destroyed that’s friendship when asked if he was still friends Ravi said I hope we are

[@jayliannbae6498]

SM buying Awards??? Bullshit really.. they dont even buy ads for their artist music. Literally, SM's artist awards are genuine and also their youtube views.

[@lilmissynna9671]

I'm glad you had a reaction on this. I didn't watch the video first coz I don't wanna get emotional so I watched it with you it's like I'm not watching it alone. Thanks for all your reactions to get to know EXO.

[@khaoulamejri2785]

Next pls exo planet #4 diamond+coming over+run this +drop that + power in Séoul fiiiiiiiiiiiiire bro and thank you.

[@2188엘]

They already did.

[@exoforever6218]

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[@youlianada2487]

@@2188엘 in patreon?

[@thomasoomen317]

SM and YG really doesn't have a good relationship with MAMA......

[@stephanyjane1796]

After watching this again, I remember the same feeling caused by that nightmare!! The black days of exo and exol! I'm soooo mad!!😭 . I am one of those who spent sleepless night and one of the witnesss that exo supposed to win that award, but wtf that had happened?? Suspicious!