EXPANSION: ACC Fighting FSU, Clemson Jump to Big Ten

Here is the latest college football expansion and realignment chatter: Florida State and Clemson continue with their lawsuits vs the ACC with an eye toward jumping to a more lucrative conference like the Big Ten. We believe a settlement is the only way out of this college football mess. However, ACC commissioner Jim Phillips is not going to sit by passively and watch his most prestigious college football teams jump ship to the Big Ten without a fight.
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[@seminoldschool7032]

By “play nice” does he mean deny FSU & Clemson access to all ACC school meetings, itinerary reports, updates, & voting sessions?? Becasue that’s what he did immediately after the ACC FILED SUIT FIRST. 😂😂😂anyone who believes a single word coming from Jim Phillips mouth deserves all the ruin that comes with it lol

[@davidsmith8278]

As a Clemson, fan, I just hope we can settle and get out of this league soon

[@tarheel7406]

To go where?

[@davidsmith8278]

@@tarheel7406 who knows for sure how this will shake out but my guess right now from a Clemson, or Florida State standpoint would be the big 10

[@davidsmith8278]

@@tarheel7406 SEC seems to be more interested in schools that are in a different market from states where they already have schools such as Clemson and Florida State. I have heard the SEC has a deep interest in North Carolina though. But this is a very fluid situation. Things always change.

[@tarheel7406]

@@davidsmith8278 a) The B1G is going to take a low brand inertia #2 in a smaller state in which the SEC has the flag? A non-AAU with no notable academics nor overall sports? CLEMSON needs a UNC coattail to the SEC. b) Ignoring ND, UNC and UVA are the top expansion targets of both the SEC and B1G, as consistently reported for ~3 years. That there has been more recent buzz about CLEMSON/FSU to the B1G suggests that the SEC has secured UNC and perhaps UVA.

[@seminoldschool7032]

We can and we will…but this is the part where you get bombarded by fans of shit ACC schools saying “you don’t have a destination” & “nobody wants you”😂😂😂

[@davidbrown386]

Jim Phillips (right or wrong) is going to “Fight Tooth & Nail.” Which means Clemson, Florida St or anyone else will have to go through the Courts in order to leave. Why do I think he does not want to settle? Because without Clemson & Florida St the ACC is a PINO ( Power In Name Only) Conference. Closer to the AAC & MW then the Big 10 & SEC.

[@romanmoronie]

Exactly. Anyone with 2 functioning brain cells can see this. The ACC is worse than a guilty condemned man who files appeal after appeal. I'm sorry ACC, but without FS and Clemson, your brands suck. It's not meant to be an insult, it's just the truth.

[@tarheel7406]

The new BIG12 is the worst P4 (by far) in athletics, academics, value, and prestige. The ACC would have to come close to a complete scatter to fall below.

[@Jbob37]

😂😂🤣😂🤣

[@gnorley]

They don’t have to go through court to leave. They can leave right now. Media rights is the legal fight. The ACC did not uphold its fiduciary duty to keep up with other conferences, financially.

[@tarheel7406]

@@gnorley I see no fiduciary duty on any relevant party. Due diligence, good faith are expected if not required.

[@mark8337]

How can he say he cares about the schools in his conference if he’s gonna fight against their financial survival by sticking to a bad contract? Even ESPN wants out it seems and they benefit the most from the existing contract.

[@tarheel7406]

CAL+2 wouldn't have been invited without ESPN approval and assurances, especially if there's a unilateral renewal option as has been claimed.

[@timothyblack3322]

The SunShine Law would make a Court trial with every document the ACC does not want seen available for anyone with a Smart Phone or TV. Jim Phillips is full of it.

[@tarheel7406]

And make FSU poison to every decent conference.

[@GodTreGuttaiAMgOd]

​@@tarheel7406 that river water moonshine starting to effect the neutron signals in your brain

[@richardbrookins5406]

@@tarheel7406 Once again you take a cheap shot at FSU. Go home and tell your mother she wants you because no one here does.

[@tarheel7406]

@@richardbrookins5406 I took no cheap shot. It's clear to me that schools are expected (if not obligated) to preserve confidentiality as a member of a conference using sunshine law exceptions and workarounds. FSU intentionally causing disclosure by ignoring these exceptions, etc. will make it poison to other conferences. Frankly, this isn't that complicated to understand.

[@FSU.Seminoles1]

@@tarheel7406 Let's not forget that the ACC's past is mainly Carolina Blue and now UNC is getting screwed by this too. IF the current leadership at UNC had any spine they would join both FSU and Clemson and the ACC would have no choice but to cave. UNC's financial future is being gambled on by sitting tight in the ACC. Then again, IF they didn't think that FSU and Clemson were going to do all of the heavy lifting for them so they can hopefully leave on their coat tails would they be willing to take such a huge risk? I'm from NC and one side of my family is all UNC grads. It's not like they aren't questioning the lack of financial intelligence with UNC's lack of movement. And, they fully understand why FSU is willing to do anything to get out of this ridiculous deal. Let's say only FSU and Clemson are able to get out, where will UNC be in 10 to 20 years? Unfortunately, UNC's leadership fails to realize there's too much at stake to be concerned about other people's opinions on the extremes the ACC is forcing its members to take in order to survive.

[@jkay8it]

As a Penn State fan, I’m extremely happy with the Troy Huhn pick up Amish haircut and all, he seems like a quality kid and him wanting to help recruit his classes Is Awesome. And when it comes to Alvin Henderson, he clearly used us as a bargaining chip for more NIL money from Auburn. He said several times he was fully locked in with us and then went back to Auburn. Our 2025 classes now in the top 10, so I’m happy.

[@storm7586]

I hope they both get out -- best thing for both

[@nnonotnow]

Nice league you have there. It'll be too bad if something happened to it. He's going down with the ship

[@tarheel7406]

In context, the BIG12 has already sunk. Given the circumstances, Phillips is managing the ACC's decline down to the BIG12 Tier 2 level. The PAC failed to do so, and the BIG12 got lucky as a result.

[@jmath1978]

@@tarheel7406 Tier 2 level? You haters make up anything!

[@tarheel7406]

@@jmath1978 How am I an ACC hater? The conference can't lose 3 members (at least) from the top (including its face, heart & soul) and expect to remain a peer Tier 1 conference.

[@mitchellquartero]

Kind of reminding me of Maryland jump from the ACC to the Big Ten

[@MerleHeckman]

Clemson and Florida would be excellent addition to Big ten not as good for SEC which is already in there market. This adds market area to Big Ten

[@keithsunset6954]

Espn gets to renegotiate soon. It's going to be ironic when some acc schools will thank FSU and Clemson for leaving so they aren't stuck in this bad deal till 2036.

[@theslayer8071]

Hey Craig. Random question... you ever have Big Ten Ted on as a guest?

[@cacogenicist]

Where's that 2012 Oregon-Wisconsin Rosebowl ? 🌹 -- that was an entertaining game. ... although the B1G team lost that one, so maybe that's why they arent airing it.

[@buff21cc]

The program lawyers didn't see the deal, that's one of the issues. Have you not actually read and followed the lawsuit? The reason they want to ride the deal through is because of the idiots that are getting the kickbacks. They know in a new deal the programs have gotten smart to it, and the cash programs are bolting.

[@LoCoVANole]

Two thoughts on why the SEC is publicly claiming it does not want FSU (but would take some of the Triangle schools): (1) The powers that be in the SEC don’t want to further loosen their grip on conference hierarchy by bringing on FSU. Only ND rivals FSU’s football power rating on a national level. Claims that FSU doesn’t add to the bottom line is rank pretense. UNC, by contrast, is a lightweight so no harm in accommodating them to counter the swelling B1G even if such a move doesn’t make economic sense. The “new state” model is a head fake - it’s a stale metric given how college football is consumed. FSU is a national brand with top 10 eyeballs on a consistent basis. Viewership for FSU/LSU the past two years says it all. If you believe the SEC doesn’t want to own that, then I have a bridge to sell you. (2) ESPN can’t afford to take on premier football programs given its financial troubles (especially after taking on TX and Okla). UNC - which is currently a financial and organizational mess - comes cheap whereas FSU commands top dollar. The ESPN/SEC media machine will never admit this but it deserves attention.

[@johngarnergarner6724]

The SEC will take a combination of UNC/UVA or UNC/NC State long before they will take Florida State and Clemson. You are Big Ten bound. And I will also add that your comments are spot on. I am a UNC grad and live close to there now. We have never been nor never will be a football school. There are three states in the country where basketball is bigger than football. NC is one of them. And when the UNC/ Duke game approaches that's all we talk about. Sure, we'd like to have a good football team but if we win 7 to 8 games a year we are perfectly happy. FSU, on the other hand, must be good at football. It is not negotiable. Sadly, all this stuff is mere politics. This is just a guess, but I'd say a lot of the power brokers in the SEC don't want FSU because they don't want stiffer competition than they already have. And you know South Carolina doesn't want Clemson in the SEC.

[@tarheel7406]

a) The SEC has rejected FSU many times over a number of decades. Its position isn't new and has been known since Day 1 of this story. b) It's very likely that UNC will get a full share in either the SEC or B1G, while FSU will have to settled on a partial.

[@tarheel7406]

@@johngarnergarner6724 The P2 consolidation will have a parity effect on football.

[@LoCoVANole]

@@johngarnergarner6724Good points, John. Agree that FSU is B1G bound and that politics is driving much of what is going on. I for one am saddened that Tobacco Road heritage is likely to be a casualty of realignment. Two of the ACC’s historical pillars are its prioritization of basketball and cultural separation from the more flag-waving deep south tendencies of the SEC (if you know what I mean). It will be interesting to see how the Triangle schools adjust to life in an SEC environment that will grant them second-class status and couldn’t care less about its Tobacco Road roots. I do think the B1G would be a better financial, academic and cultural fit in that regard.

[@chuckwest7045]

@@johngarnergarner6724 Virginia will never be in the SEC. North Carolina or North Carolina St. are possibilities but not both at the same time.

[@shanev6500]

Florida State University and Clemson University are not AAU members. They can not join the B1G. If they desire to leave, their options are SEC or Big 12 unless they want relegated to another conference.

[@richardbrookins5406]

And you are in charge of the B1G? So you have spoken? Bull$hit. It has been said and shown where AAU membership is not required to join.

[@shanev6500]

I have the ability to read, it comes in handy when discussing topics which require research. Such as I previously stated. Of course the B1G still considering expelling Nebraska University for losing AAU member status, a denial of admittance letter sent to WVU for not having AAU member status, every university added in recent expansion are AAU members, and every member local press authority confirm the AAU member requirements. Just stating facts as of the time I posted my comment. Anything and everything can change.

[@boweevil8390]

Nobody gives a rats arse about academics or AAU membership when it comes to this round of realignment. That’s just the B10 and Tobacco Road Schools that act snobby like that. The B10 and SEC will take the best 4 teams if they get the chance regardless.

[@buff21cc]

They said it's not required to join. Nebraska actually lost their AAU accreditation. FSU is actually working on gaining AAU accreditation. FSU actually is rated higher than several Big Ten programs in research and academics.

[@boweevil8390]

@@shanev6500 Hogwash. Times have changed. The B10 has been an elitist group that thinks they are better than everyone else. Looking down your nose at them as if they were a homeless camp. Shame on you.

[@dimitri1515]

Clemson and FSU are screwed no matter what. Stupid is as stupid does and agreeing to that contract was total stupidity.

[@jimmyjam5453]

It was so stupid that you know a few individuals made 10s of millions for their personal bank accounts.

[@jmath1978]

@@jimmyjam5453 That didnt make any sense!

[@dimitri1515]

@@jmath1978 I think he's saying that the contracts were signed by individuals who personally benefited from it....regardless of how it would affect the school.

[@tarheel7406]

Then why were those deals praised by professional analysts at the time?

[@dimitri1515]

@@tarheel7406 Like Ron White says, you can't fix stupid. Analysts can often be very very wrong.....such as in this case.

[@TylerSnoen-no1yu]

The Acc using the contract to try and keep Fsu and Clemson in the conference till 2036 is like your baby's mama using your kid to force you to marry her for the long term!

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Hmm

[@richardturner3464]

as the BIG adds mote and more powerhouse football teams the iowa, illinois and indiana programs become more and more irrelevant. 60 or 70% of the original big 10 are destined to be non factors. the midwest region is being squeezed out.

[@christophernash1846]

No, they're relevant Basketball

[@richardturner3464]

@@christophernash1846 absolutly they are relevant in basketball, so are marquette, creighton, butler, chicago of loyola etc. unfortunatly football is the main event

[@christophernash1846]

@@richardturner3464 and Basketball is 2nd. How was Creighton , Butler ,and Loyola in football the last several years ? Schools are needed for both basketball and football. Why do you think Kentucky was always relevant in the SEC .

[@richardturner3464]

@@christophernash1846 when all this expansion finishes the BIG will have 2 powerhouse football teams in the west 2-3 in east - southeast and OSU and michigan. it is no longer a midwest conference midwest teams will all be second or third tier. all change isn't progress. 4-8 seasons got old fast. bring back the original Big 10 !

[@None-dj8iy]

​@@richardturner3464😂😂😂😂then you woke up in a cold sweat😂😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!

[@romanmoronie]

Rebgarding houses, you want the crappiest house in the best neighborhood.

[@brandonstrickland580]

IMO ESPN is going to have the final say on how long this goes on…let contracts have a chance to be made public, that’ll stop all of this IMO

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Good point.

[@brandonstrickland580]

@@LockedOnBIG10 UNC fan who is cheering for FSU and Clemson. I’m not an ACC hater, but I do support letting schools make their own choice, but I do think there should be a reasonable exit fee. This impacts UNC as well.

[@carlton5043]

Great point on Jim Phillips and ACC contract ending 2036. Maybe the ACC should sue ESPN if it cares about its members.

[@davesteller6301]

Jim Phillips fighting tooth ans nail...lol. Where was this "Tooth & Nail" fighting spirit when he was negotiating against the SEC and Big Ten in future playoff spots?

[@richardbrookins5406]

And don't forget where was Jim Phillips while the ACC champion was getting screwed by the CFP committee. Nowhere to be found. If he fought as much for the teams as he fights against them the ACC would be a decent league.

[@davesteller6301]

@@richardbrookins5406 that too

[@PAGoTribe1963]

Dude: We're going to execute the deal. FSU & Clemson: We agree! *POW POW POW POW*

[@drdoc7508]

The big ten would have to sell their academic soul to let fsu in. Fsu not a top flight academic school by any stretch.

[@sumdude4281]

I'm looking forward to the new season. B1GPAC is going to be fun.

[@jamesrippe65]

The B1G will end up with 24 schools. West Washington Oregon Stanford Cal USC UCLA Midwest Nebraska Iowa Minnesota Wisconsin Illini Notre Dame Great Lakes Northwestern Indiana Purdue Michigan Michigan State Ohio State East Penn State Maryland Rutgers Florida State Clemson Miami SEC adds North Carolina Virginia Nc State Louisville Big 12 adds Oregon state Washington state Pitt Va tech Duke Ga Tech

[@tarheel7406]

Nope

[@krierp8]

@@tarheel7406 Big Ten has a better chance of poaching Big 12 schools. My guess is Utah, Texas Tech, ASU, and Kansas or Colorado will join the B1G in the foreseeable future,

[@tarheel7406]

@@krierp8 a) Every BIG12 school has been willing and able to accept a B1G invite since the TX/OK and USC/UCLA news. None have been invited. b) TXTECH is a G5 equivalent. Next to no chance of making the Tier 1 cut. c) The flag ARIZ would make the cut over ARIZST. Returning to the original comment: a) Next to no chance the B1G takes CLEMSON. GATECH would be a better prediction. b) The SEC takes DUKE, KANSAS, VATECH or CLEMSON over L'VILLE. c) Next to no chance DUKE goes BIG12. d) There's no purpose for an even larger and wider Tier 2 BIG12.

[@MikeJohnson-cp5if]

@@tarheel7406 At least 2 prior accounts and all comments thereunder deleted. Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose?

[@JeffreyRachau]

Pretty sure the Big Ten would/will welcome any ACC school with open arms that wants to jump ship. Eventually,we will expand to 30 teams. There will be three leagues. The Big Ten,SEC,and everyone else. The playoffs are gearing towards thst. The Big Ten and SEC will,in all likely hood, have three teams each,in the playoffs. Maybe more. The SEC is certainly not done expanding, either. Ten years from now,you won't recognize the College Football landscape.

[@buff21cc]

Big Ten is balking because their media money haven't come up with an extra $100+ mil to cover the teams entering and the other programs in the conference aren't willing to part with anything.

[@RichardBracciale]

Florida State is ranked higher in the US News College Rankings than Michigan State, Indiana, Iowa, Nebraska, Penn State, Minnesota(tied),Oregon, so I think Florida State would be a good academic fit.

[@sumdude4281]

Academics = Research Dollars, not grades etc.

[@cartierrick300]

They need to stop wit this expansion

[@terryrich4889]

Man don't know where you get your information from but after ohio st , Michigan just woke up ask app state and penn state who else in the big 10. Each acc team received 45 million each this year. The big 12 teams received 30 and Cincinnati, Houston, BYU and central Florida only received 18 million. When the acc deal was made the 33 million was on par with the big10 and sec. ESPN, the next couple of years purchase all the sec sports programming. This forced cbs to find a new conference to broadcast and the big10 was the only league available. NBC who only broadcast Notre Dame wanted in on a league and the big10 was the only available conference. Sec was espn pac12 was 2years out the acc was locked by espn and big 12 was few years outside. So let's be for real, the big10 is no better but was in the right position at the right time. Fox paid you normal pay it was CBS and nbc that raised the pot to 1 billion. Big10 have 3 or 4 decent teams, same for the sec. Acc teams put just as many players in the nfl as any other conference. Money is driving expansion not the competition in the conference.

[@onourpath]

The PAC12 media deal that expired last year paid $33.8M to each school, more than the current ACC and BIG12 deals. The PAC12 fell apart because the proposed new deal guaranteed only $21M.

[@benjaminhawkes6693]

Stanford is a great add and cal is a travel partner. SMU is a far worse add historically but they take the key sport serious and that will help the acc since few of their schools do. The acc deal is 24 million a year, on par with the last big 12 deal.

[@paulclifton655]

Screw the ACC and the sec …Go NOLES!

[@Byrd338]

As a SEC fan, keep your toxic fan base away from the SEC. We already have the crying Aggies. Do not need the crying Noles.

[@None-dj8iy]

​@@Byrd338😂😂😂😂your funny😂😂😂😂Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!

[@jmath1978]

@@Byrd338 It would be nice if the Big 10 and SEC say No to FSU They are so unworthy And Ungrateful!

[@r.guardia9107]

Byrd, toxic? 😂 The Sec is the definition of toxic 😂

[@r.guardia9107]

J math, FSU has a higher viewership than anyone in the Big other than Ohio st. And, anyone in the Sec outside of Alabama😂

[@KenMcBride-tq1mi]

Withering away is staying in the pathetic ACC. Hope you get out otherwise your team will be withering away.

[@tomroberts9794]

Good show. Go Noles.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Go Noles.

[@messagetous]

Good show 😂

[@johnhawkes4048]

What EXACTLY did he make up? He just gave the facts, you might not like it but it's the facts.

[@wendykozdras5471]

It is a big contract for the ACC. It will go bankrupt in time. Cannot complete and members will go down with the ship.

[@seminoldschool7032]

😂😂😂”facts”😂😂🤡

[@nateg4582]

Gonna have to call bull shit on FSU and Clemson heading to the big ten, the two are better fit for the SEC.

[@tarheel7406]

The SEC sees both CLEMSON and FSU as disposable.

[@Jeff-gd8ev]

It's all about money (of course); specifically it's all about TV markets. FSU and Clemson don't add anything to the existing TV market of the SEC - there's no "expansion of the footprint". From what I've read, the SEC is pretty lukewarm (at best) about adding FSU and Clemson.

[@r.guardia9107]

FSU has more national viewership than anyone in the sec outside of Alabama… I’m talking on a national level.. So yea, they bring value 😂

[@dustinhager5270]

Outside of location how are they a better fit exactly?

[@MikeJohnson-cp5if]

@@tarheel7406 At least 2 prior accounts and all comments thereunder deleted. Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose?

[@MichaelSmith-xb5cp]

The CALFORD/ SMU bashing on "locked on" is getting over the top. First, SMU played Oklahoma pretty hot in NORMAN last year, a place the SEC has hardly ever played, and SEC teams that never conferenced B12 haven't had much luck. Even the teams are left in the B12 haven't had much luck there. But, different story for ND/CALFORD-7 wins in Norman , OK. CAL's been pretty bad at football for a while but I wouldn't be surprised if they pull the upset in Auburn in a few months, and at least they've won 1 P5 CHIP since the new millennium, which is more than can be said for half the SEC. Stanford, on the other hand, can be sneaky good at times. They are 5-5 at the Los Angeles Colesium over the last ten road games to USC. They played for the "Legends" trophy against Notre Dame since 1988 (33 games) That may not sound all that impressive, so let's poke around college football and see how they've done against ND? The last 33 games the B1G has played against ND 12-21-0...... Impressive How about just Michigan last 33 games with ND 16-16-1 ... It's not the historical premiere rivalry for nothing How about USC last 33 games with ND.....15-17-1....Oops, they both got caught cheating, Let's adjust for vacated games 14-18-1 How About SEC w/ TexaHoma? In the last 33 games vs. ND, many at Bowl level. ....13-20-0 How about ACC last 33 games vs ND...4-29-0...I included bowl and champ losses because it gets really embarrassing if you just include scheduled games. How about this 12 team pseudo power conference? 33 games vs. ND ... 0-31-2 Florida, Oregon, Washington State, Washington, UCLA, Utah, West Virginia,TCU, Baylor, Iowa State, Minnesota, and Maryland....Zero wins? c'mon, try harder people, it's only the sneaky Domers! Then there's Stanford, playing ND in Legends since 1988 - 20 games where they couldn't even win half their PAC schedule, yet still managed to beat the Irish once or twice....13-20-0...... and they had to play them in South Bend on even years when they they already had 5 conference road dogs....unlike USC who made sure they got the road trip to Indiana on years with only 4 PAC road games. Stanford doesn't need the TV money....They're just looking for worthy institutions to conference Olympic sports with, that don't cheat.....and their football team is still good enough for 3-2-0 against the Buckeyes, and give undefeated Washington 4th quarter scares. 😮

[@WhoTFisPaulFinebaum]

Yeah, we need more cheaters in the Big10

[@MichaelSmith-xb5cp]

B1G made a B1G time mistake inviting USC...Good luck with that LOL 😆

[@jakinthebox7309]

We’ve known for years that the Big Ten has been wet dreaming of having ND on board. We also know they’re very interested in adding UNC and UVA, but I have not seen a single news story from a reliable source on the ground with ties to people involved in the decision making, which indicates the Big Ten has officially expressed some measure of interest in FSU or Clemson. I’m just wondering where exactly is this coming from?

[@tarheel7406]

I'm unaware of any evidence that CLEMSON or FSU was even contacted by the B1G during the expansion that yielded MARYLAND and RUT. UVA, UNC and GATECH were all contacted. Nevertheless, that WASH/ORE were invited prematurely and the buzz over CLEMSON and FSU all suggest that the B1G has determined that both UVA and UNC are either indefinitely unavailable or already secured by the SEC. I'm rather confident that the B1G had considered both UVA/UNC secured when/if as part of its longer-term plans, so there would be some scrambling.

[@flman1478]

Wash, UCLA, Oregon, USC, OSU, Mich, Penn St, Wisc, Neb, Iowa....We don't need them they need us and frankly Notre lame can add themselves to the ACC because the Big Ten doesn't need them

[@cacogenicist]

​@@tarheel7406- What was "premature" about the Oregon/Washington invitation?

[@tarheel7406]

@@cacogenicist All evidence suggests that W/O do not have Tier 1 value and that the B1G did not plan on adding (if ever) when they did. For starters, no applicable pro rata for the pair.

[@artpowers812]

The Big and the SEC are in a class by themselves. So why keep comparing the ACC to them? The battle is what happens at the new level just below the P2. IMHO you very correctly pointed out it was a good deal at the time, especially given the driving force behind it, the ACCN which everyone wanted. So it is simply, yes it is a bad deal now for several teams but THEY SIGNED A CONTRACT TO 2036. So to get out they have to pay something to the "poorer houses" in the neighborhood because they signed the contract to lift the neighborhood. AND I do believe ESPN is fighting behind the scenes to keep FSU and Clemson in the ESPN family. In the end those 2 will have only one potential settlement, go to the SEC. The other option is a series of lawsuits ultimately ending in a class action of all the ACC members who won't get a better deal in a federal court. That might end in a price so high no one can leave the ACC

[@tarheel7406]

Measured by estimated actual media value and top-level competitiveness, the ACC remains a peer Tier 1. It will deplete down to the Tier 2. The B1G has most likely reached its highwater mark.

[@grahamhallman243]

I’m a BIG alum and generally speaking a fan. But the ACC had a stellar year in NCAA titles, let’s not overlook this fact. BIG tends to flop in basketball (too many second place finishes) this century. Hell, in M. Hockey they’ve yet to win a NC as a conference. Former WCHA conference mates have jumped so far ahead the past decade in their new conference: NCHC.

[@tarheel7406]

@@grahamhallman243 2022/23 - 2023/24 Final D-Cup Standings: ACC: 6 Top 10, 14 Top 20 (includes ND, STANFORD & CAL) B12: 0 Top 10, 1 Top 20 (excludes TEXAS & TXAM) B1G: 4 Top 10, 9 Top 20 (includes USC and UCLA) PAC: 0 Top 10, 0 Top 20 (excludes USC, UCLA, STANFORD & CAL) SEC: 10 Top 10, 16 Top 20 (includes TEXAS & TXAM) Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024. 2020 N/A) ACC: 9-5-3 B12: 5-3-2 (Excludes OK; includes Houston) BIGEAST: 6-4-4 SEC: 5-0-0 (Includes OK) B1G: 7-3-0 (Includes Oregon & UCLA)

[@georgeforbes4875]

If it's not sustainable, then FSU and Clemson need to pay the exit fee. These are sophisticated academic institutions, one even has a law school that teaches Florida lawyers about contracts. If contracts are not respected, Americans cannot do business.

[@unc0mm0n2]

This makes no sense. Contracts are made to be broken especially when certain clauses are unclear. Our courts have ruled on many bigger contracts. This will have literally no effect on business.

[@richardbrookins5406]

Contracts are broken all the time when one party does not hold up their end of the deal. In marriage it is called a divorce, in business it is called a law suit. Too bad the ACC has had two very $hitty leaders in Swofford and Phillips. Swofford took a bad deal so his kid could save Raycom and Phillips continues it by not pressuring ESPN for a better deal when it comes time to "look in".

[@lawrencebrandstetter1133]

Clemson is not an AAU school. BIG will not take them. FSU just got in

[@jakinthebox7309]

Forget the AAU argument! Two high prestige academic institutions like Stanford and Cal, are both AAU members, are now the top ranking academic schools in the ACC, as they were in the PAC 12. Neither school received a Big Ten invite. Stanford, by the way hasn’t been a historically great power on the gridiron, where it really matters, but their athletic achievements in most other sports is #1 on the NCAA Championships list. The BIG is looking for teams who have a balance of historic achievements and tradition on the gridiron, geography, and academics. Yes, all BIG members are/were AAU members (Nebraska recently lost its accreditation and reportedly is working to have it restored). The BIG is chasing after UNC/UVA as a package because of the media market they sit in, their academic strength and because both schools have a strong winning pedigree in basketball. They would rekindle strong regional rivalries with former rival Maryland, another school not historically great on the gridiron, but a historic traditional power in basketball. The B1G also wants ND because it is a traditional power in football, it’s a midwestern school seated in the heat of the conference, ND brings eyeballs, it has a historic of rivalry with current new team (USC), and a history of fierce rivalries with current regional teams, against some of whom they have a losing record (Michigan, Mich St, Nebraska, Penn St, Ohio St). (FYI-ND actually cancelled its Nebraska series and replaced Nebraska with USC on its yearly schedule because the rivalry had become seriously nasty and out of control). ND is academically strong and it recently received its AAU accreditation, yet for years the B1G has been chasing them, willing to take them without it.

[@tarheel7406]

FSU is not AAU unless I missed a very recent invite. Both ND and MIAMI got unworthy invites.

[@jakinthebox7309]

As of today, the B1G hasn’t officially extended an invite to an ACC team. You will not find a single article anywhere on this from a respected and reliable news source. If it were true, it would be all over ESPN, sports radio, all the cable/satellite TV sports channels and your local TV station sports report.

[@jakinthebox7309]

@@tarheel7406 No ACC team has received a B1G invite at this point. The B1G wants UNC/ snd UVA for their strong academics, the media market eyeballs, and their winning basketball pedigree. The conference is aiming to reestablish the UNC/UVA/Maryland basketball rivalries. ND, a midwestern school that sits in the heart of B1G country brings eyeballs, a winning football pedigree, and it has or has had historic and fierce rivalries with USC, Michigan, Mich St, Nebraska, Penn St, Ohio St. (ND cancelled its rivalry with Nebr and replaced it with USC because the games had become seriously nasty and out of control). ND recently received AAU accreditation, yet for years the B1G has been itching to take them without it.

[@chuckwest7045]

When did FSU become AAU?

[@tarheel7406]

a) I see that the host finally described the media deal situation more accurately. It was considered good at the time; however, while an inflation risk was obvious, it's been far higher than anyone would have reasonably expected. b) The ACC is treating UNC, CLEMSON and FSU for planning purposes. c) The neighborhood analogy is appropriate; however, the core B1G has reached peak value and is already shows signs of depreciation. The greater Southeast is appreciating.

[@MikeJohnson-cp5if]

Dude Tarheel. At least 2 of your prior accounts and all comments thereunder deleted. Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the applicable vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable. Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before? When your more recent troll posts all turn out as foolish, will you be changing handles and mass deleting them as before?

[@CorneilusGreen]

Stop making up stuff

[@hootsmanvideos7862]

What is he making up lmao