EXPEDITION TRUCK BOX - Camper Cost & Specs - DIY Expedition Vehicle Build/Caravan

[@TheOutFit]

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[@44thWarrior]

I say name and shame them, to save someone else from going through the same stress. Sharing is caring.

[@TheOutFit]

As this is the most liked comment we thought we'll add a reply here. A lot of people suggested we name and shame. For a few different reasons we won't. However, we will definitely leave a review on Google should anyone come across their business doing a research. We are also happy for anyone thinking of using fibreglass panels to email us or messaging us on Instagram to get more details. Thanks all for the support!

[@matthewalderton1803]

Respect to you both for not naming the business, I bet it was a hard decision but I believe the right one... It keeps ur credibility and conscious clear.... Plus look at all the experience and knowledge u have gained having to fix that shotty workmanship.... God bless you on your travels and thanks for great footage and sharing your experiences...!!

[@t.r8310]

Name and shame them! You wont be the first one that he done this to! Anyways good vid guys 😁

[@JoshSinnott97]

Seems to be a common trend with the 4wd market. After seeing several influencers recommend a 12v and custom drawer company who are seperate businesses, but work together, I reached out to them and after months of planning they've suddenly stopped replying because I can only assume I didn't want a design/ direction they were trying to push me into. I think you guys made the right choice not naming and shaming. Could you imagine the controversy. At least now you're able to build more of the truck yourselves

[@mitchelldarragh]

For the conduit with no string get some light string and tie it around a small fluff of plastic from a cheap plastic bag and use a vaccum to suck it through or air compressor to blow it through

[@victorbart]

Or an old find an old cassette tape and a vacuum cleaner

[@sglander2]

Bailing wire works pretty well as a fish tape too.

[@Stc442]

This…

[@unimog404]

I think finishing it yourself will be the best decision ever! It is a fun process and you learn so much about your mog! It is sad that the company didn't deliver to your expectation. But now it will become your box! You have build it instead of bought it! That is so much more awesome!

[@seanwood8265]

5 min google search , with maps , found the box builders , I won’t be going there for my project. Thanks for the great insight into first time camper building .

[@kingding8569]

Hats off to you both, It’s been great watching, all the ups and downs, and especially all the hard work, sweat and grind done properly with a limited budget,👍 No cutting corners, very admirable you both have given it a good go, you should both be proud. Keep on Truckin👍🤙👌 I particularly enjoyed the chassis sand and respray, the interior refit, and watching Chris have a hard time doing the tire changes while I lay and ate ice cream 🍨 on the couch. Well done yewww

[@Gladius7]

Good on you for Staying positive.

[@julianenglar]

Shame to see that people are not up to their word but you guys are as positive as ever. Let's be honest this won't stop you from building an amazing rig and living and driving the hell out of it!

[@ayrifek5647]

good to see that smile on Chris

[@tapevans87]

Good on you guys, it really is hard to get good help and unfortunately it doesn’t matter how much you spend there are still those kind of businesses around which sucks. Love that your honesty comes out in your videos and that your not sugar coating anything it’s great to see and your doing such a great job with the mog. Love watching the vids iv always had a soft spot for the mogs. Thanks again!

[@JockeSelin]

We are very sorry to hear about your troubles. We are certain you will overcome and this will be a story to be told around the campfire. Keep up the excellent work and we are looking forward to the next step!😎👍🏻

[@stephenboyd897]

I understand that you don't want to name and shame but suggest you make a formal complaint to the ACCC, primarily to reduce the chance the will do this again.

[@HohnkeOutdoors]

It's really starting to come along now! Hats off to you guys for the level of maturity you have taken all those setbacks with. Can't wait to see the internal fit out .

[@promenteryrobbins]

So happy for you guys that you’re able to see some progress.

[@TheOutFit]

Never done a Premiere and live chat before! Let us know if you want us to do that more often 👍

[@AustinGagnee]

that was great it was like watching it together 🤟🤟

[@JF-oz3mv]

I'd be naming them so the next person doesn't get the same treatment. It sounds like they couldn't do the job or didn't give a sh*t.

[@MiniLuv-1984]

I personally don't like the Premier and live chats, simply because you see the vid but then realise it is for some future time...a real let down. But hey, that's just me :) Looks like many like it?

[@TheOutFit]

@@MiniLuv-1984 agreed! We only premiered it 1 hour before going live for that reason.

[@MiniLuv-1984]

@@TheOutFit Noticed that - thanks!

[@6409weps]

To build a house needs a patience! Very well done. It would be more achievable than mere achievement. Many more blessings be upon you guys. God bless you!

[@StreetsandTracks]

Really glad you have Bowser back so you can crack on building it like you were a few months back! Happy and cheerful from this point forward and really interested to see Bowser have more bits done to it, the box interior will be so good to see complete soon!😀 keep up the good work!😁

[@pubbeaver]

I was highly critical of your last video because you both came across in a negative light. In this video you took us through your story, explained what happened effectively and had the audience sympathise with you on your journey. this is great story telling and i hope you gain 1000's more followers. good on you both for taking a moment, reflecting and rolling with the punches its a testament to your character

[@KendallandGlenn]

So frustrating guys but glad you're back in the swing of it and smashing it out yourselves! Keen to see it all come together :)

[@frankpristov9745]

Your job is unique, the more you do yourselves the better the result. Keep up the good work

[@jeepie1964]

You have already done so much yourself that this will also work out, greetings from the Netherlands

[@LongTail8443]

Oh well, you did it, you guys are so cool.

[@clarencemills8651]

I feel your pain with the lack of communication. We bought a camper and, they needed to do some work on the motor for the slide out. It took 5 months, summer came and went, we could not do any camping. We did get the camper back and are finally enjoying camping.

[@DogsTrossachs]

Thanks for sharing, and for being so transparent. Looking forward to seeing you catch up with the backlog of work. As an aside I'll always let your ads run, because your content is aces. Can't wait to see your travels post build.

[@davidthornborough3395]

Chris now i can understand your total frustration ,what a shambles .On the bright side impressed with the design and thought that went into it .Utmost confidence in yourself and Ange to complete the project as you are both fastidious.Downhill run from here

[@timsamoa5944]

Name and shame so that others don’t fall foul to this tradesman

[@MiniLuv-1984]

I'd like to hear his side (not the excuses, the real story)...sounds like he's just made an error in quoting or something and wanted to wash his hands of it when he realised he'd stuffed up.

[@MiniLuv-1984]

@@heartobefelt Sad but true.

[@Icemane1995]

Doesn’t deserve the title of Tradesman with doing work of that quality. Insult to all the good tradesmen putting him in that category

[@Icemane1995]

Cowboy is the more appropriate word!

[@MiniLuv-1984]

@@Icemane1995 What do you reckon the proportion of good to bad tradesmen is in Australia?

[@stevencardwell4286]

Nice to see you trying to remain positive about the build. It’s hard when you deal with people that just don’t seem to get it that this is your dream ( happens A LOT when you build a house 🤬)

[@mattbender3197]

Awesome attitude to have guys 👍 finish the build yourself it will be worth it in the long run.

[@richardwalton3406]

Interested to know what with hindsight you would have done differently. What a wonderful travel wagon you have created.

[@reddog1ish]

Awesome! Going to be very cool. Thanks for sharing.

[@jase6827]

I saw a very similar build today in my area. Followed for about 20min .... Good luck travelling in that , couldn't think of anything worse unless wanting to attract attention. Hight , body roll and uncomfortably. Need some kind off luxury to relax in

[@icreate5737]

Wow bloody unreal that there is people out there who pray upon other people’s trust Feel for you guys iv been there it’s so hard to move on but it gets easier I’m a Tradie 30 years in carpentry and joinery I look back at every job with a sense of pride And have awesome relationships with all my clients but 2 who just didn’t pay last instalment Jobs have gone over time but only to get best result possible for clients Keep your head up good things come to good people I’d gladly help you for a few days if you were in Sydney best of luck with it all

[@sunshinecatcher8779]

Well done guys for keeping your cool. Sometimes the service we get is sooooo annoying

[@duckninja9349]

Cheers for staying positive. The best way to deal w/ folks who put shade on your sunshine is to forget about them - the future is always brighter. Plus, sadly, when you do it yourself, you know it is done right (or not ;-p).

[@carolyndavis4517]

i am building something very similar in perth right now . i am so glad i did not go down the panel route . i also ahve made some mistakes but am pleased with the build so far. my car is a defender wagon with the back taken off and a walk through camper added. the delays in the build are also very fustrating for me but the delays give me more time to think of what im doing , so in some instances its been positive

[@punkbloater]

Great work guys, stay positive! 👍🏻

[@wildcatoutdoors]

Raptor line that bad boy!

[@aaronrand3867]

Keep it up guys! Enjoying your project. Cheers from Canada!

[@donroberts9336]

This looks awesome guys. There will always be delays with these one-of-a-kind projects so always allow for them in your budget and time allowance. When you are on a tight budget and give yourself tight time constraints, delays are inevitable unfortunately. You mentioned the supplier had vertigo and as a regular sufferer myself, I can confirm that it can be debilitating and it can last for months. I could still function and use machinery at work depending on the severity of the episode but there is no way I would be working on you mog at that height either. It's hard to appreciate unless you have experienced it. Keep up the great work, it is fascinating to watch. You're doing a great job!

[@Plamukaroy]

Cool,one day you will visit Europa.

[@johnnycramer5841]

Love the attitude for both of you!! Timmy C Arizona

[@kodeengatai1347]

Top attitude team, I can relate to the delayed time frames with a build it is extremely frustrating being mucked around not to mention the money being put in. Great approach though learning is all part of the journey. All the best!

[@merlinmcentee2553]

Been following you guys for a while now. Love your channel and love watching the build of the Unimog. Its so heartbreaking being screwed over by people/companies and believe as a community naming and shaming will help others not experience this or at least it will make the person/company pull their head in and (hopefully) rectify the issues risen :)

[@robertsimionato9772]

With regards to your conduit dilemma my suggestion is that you use Poly Eiger 4mm 3.6m Yellow Poly Cable Feeder available at Bunnings for around $5 . Attach the cable to one end of the poly cable feeder and secure it with electrical tape.

[@Andy_M986]

This is when you need Fair go Chris,take them to the cleaners.

[@matth9700]

Sorry to hear about the bad experience your both had with the box build!! Hopefully the remainder of the build goes a lot better for you both. Thanks for the videos and keep up the great videos:) Cheers, Matt.

[@georgiamoore4695]

I’m honestly surprised you guys didn’t name and shame, it sounds like you’ve let that business off the hook although I also understand why you haven’t. I actually don’t think you seemed THAT ticked off in the last video Chris and knowing what we know now, I’m surprised you didn’t come across angrier, I’d have been ropable. The box is looking awesome and I have no doubt you guys will make it look amazing. Honestly can’t wait for the interior build!

[@relationshipreal]

Thanks fir keepin it so positive you two are an example of good people! No one would have thought bad if you took legal action to recover losses and name and shame never helps anyone so huge respect ✊

[@jeremymckenzie3120]

Good effort at controlling your frustration and getting on with it. I knew something was up when the posts went quiet for so long. You guys are great, so keep doing what your doing and finish this Mog. Where all behind you :-)

[@dominiccox8294]

Well done you two

[@bitminerbob6731]

Bugger, that blows. But you more than likely will be able to fix all that is sub standard with the box build, when you finish the build. The end result will make all the frustrations seem a distant memory in the rear vision mirror!!! Can't wait to see progress on the build!!

[@robertmackintosh5163]

It is so obvious that the supplier of your habitation box doesn't have much competition for his business based on the situation you have described, and probably the others who are in that business are not too competitive either. It also seems that the supplier was in over his head trying to complete the work you provided and was looking for a way out. There is room for a new supplier in that market there, one who can price it right, do the job right and finish it on time. A little bit of customer service and goodwill goes a long way. It was a wise decision not to name and shame, you probably would have started to receive letters from an under occupied avaricious lawyer. Keep slugging away! Greetings from Canada.

[@peteelliott3738]

Well done guys, stick in there 🙏🏻

[@trevorferguson2152]

Please use Epoxy to fix the seams (as others have also suggested). The cost and time are a bit more but well worth the decades of leak free living. With a rubber membrane between shell and trim added in strength and leak protection will be something you never need to worry about. Silicone is a temporary fix and will need to be redone in a few years time as well as offering no added strength to the seams (with the leaks already there I would not trust the rest of workmanship personally). Love the angle on front of box it will make sliding trees over top so much easier LOL. Considering most builds take twice the projected to complete your's is coming along amazingly well. Smile and enjoy what you have accomplished so far :)

[@cobdogla1985]

good on you guys keen to see where it goes!

[@carlbillingham2670]

I bet you are relieved! Really looking forward to seeing your next instalments. Good luck with it all 👍

[@tna--]

👍👍 for all the hard work great job !

[@rjl110919581]

good luck with project

[@joecottrell5326]

Mate, there's nothing you cant do well done to you both.love your vids, cheers

[@AustinGagnee]

Great video and happy to be up to date and see your baby back home with you guys qhere it'll actually get worked on lol! At the end of the day if you want something done you gotta diy 🤟🤟 Can't wait for the next video!

[@TheOutFit]

Thanks for being part of the live chat! Havw a great weekend 👍

[@chrisrichardson5841]

on running your string here in Texas they take masking tape ball it up after tieing it to the string and use air pressure to run it through the conduit when running electrical

[@totalcomposites484]

Couple things: How is that box glued together BEFORE you ad the aluminum? It seams like the only thing that is giving you structural strength is the VERY small bonding area of the actual fiberglass skin. I would add the aluminum angles asap! You probably also want to check if your glue needs some kind of primer to make it stick. To prevent stress cracking in the FRP Skin, I would highly recommend to apply a relieve radius in the sharp corners (entry door). This can be done with 8mm-12mm drill bit in the corner. Cheers and happy Unimoging!!!!

[@TheOutFit]

Thank you for reaching out! We appreciate having experts from Canada following along. Our supplier has been using HB Fuller Tool Box Original MS Adhesive & Sealant. This week we have used the same product to add the aluminium trimming on the edges of the box. We have also already installed our aluminium extrusions around the door so we won't be able to apply this relieve radius unfortunately?!

[@tomrobson761]

With the conduits and running string. U could use brickies twine or cord tied to a sandwich/part of a vegie bag. Poke the bag in 1 way and use a vacumn to suck the bag to the hole ur wanting it to connect to👍 Looks great, sucks paying good money on poor work. Keep positive 🙏

[@Sammy_Best]

Don't go cheap on the wiring and switches use good quality Marine gear and marine wire (tinned copper), if you use double insulated you will find it easy enough to just push it down the conduit especially if you put a leading bend in it to go around the corner. Marine solar panels will be your best bet as well. For any inside Led lighting you will want warm white colour to soften those bright walls, believe me it will help a great deal. Don’t go to expensive on a battery bank as you can carry a lot of battery weight on that vehicle, new technology batteries (graphene aluminium ion) are coming to market in the next couple of years that will be cheaper and better than Lithium. Feel free to message me if you want to chat about any of the electrics.

[@jamest5149]

Make sure your adhesive sealer works with aluminum, also scuff and degrees the alloy trim and fiber glass panels where the trim and sealer run, you can get proper prep material or use 3m scotch bright pads and isopropyl alcohol to scuff and help the sealer bite.... just don’t skimp on the adhesive sealer, it’s better to put too much and have to wipe off the excess then have a void and then a leak 👍

[@zoezoe610]

That must be exciting, it looks absolutely mint.

[@MiniLuv-1984]

The camper looks great. I don't see the elevator...:) Keep going guys, you are going great and tackling such a big thing as first timers #kudos.

[@jowly1462]

In the Wild West, dodgy companies abound. Appreciate your positivity and drive to succeed,

[@StephenFogarty2023]

Unfortunately dodgy companies are everywhere. Not just in Perth or WA.

[@michaeledwards7604]

Hey, so sad you were mucked around so much and I would be really pissed!! but I love your attitude, what's done is done just bury it and move on. Looking forward to watching the internal fit out. On another note, what are your plans once your fully mobile again. Covid will no doubt be a factor but which direction are thinking of heading. We are in another shut down currently here in Vic as the wee germ is on the march again, dreaming of heading WA way soon. Keep up the good work and yes, I now allow the adds to play.

[@TheOutFit]

Thank you so much Michael! We still have a lot to see around Australia - SA, NT and TNQ. We would love to do the Canning Stock Route as well once it reopens. After that, who knows, it will definitely depend where the world is at. Sorry to hear about this new lockdown in VIC! Hope it doesn't spread out and ends with good news.

[@barry.m9681]

Something to remember if you get a flat battery in a Mog they a surprisingly easy to clutch start in 4 or 5 gear On flat surface 2 people can push them and you only have to have 1or2 revolutions of the wheels to start them . Or park on a decline Many years ago I went on deployment in the reserve’s for a weekend and my MOG had a new battery that had dead cells so we push started it all weekend

[@TheOutFit]

Cheers Barry! That's good to know! I'll make sure Ange does the pushing

[@bitminerbob6731]

@@TheOutFit LOL

[@mdc503]

Good on ya! The skills you two are learning now may help you in the future with this beast. How about a, “If you need a box built, stay away from (fill in the blank) city.” No since in sending the wrath of web on them but a bit of caution to others that follow your channel because of this build.

[@davidmoore7303]

Well done

[@roelcha1]

HI Guys I love the box and the idea of a lightweight frameless skin. are you able to let me know where you got this done? ta

[@TheOutFit]

If you are in Perth there is a new company we heard great things about called Transition Composite Panels 👍

[@LVNITUPM8]

Completely understand your anger and disappointment as it's your house that we are talking about. I would be pissed and besides my self if some started to miss with my house

[@pauladams4890]

He ripped you off... Take him under Australian consumer law. You’ll probably win & get awarded a percentage of your money back.

[@pablomax3045]

Yeah, I'd also not take it lying down. Letting it go also only help ensure that tradesman gets a screw the next fellow.

[@derekbeasley]

@@pablomax3045 I have been looking into pricing for a similar box and I can't even get close to this (more than double) so maybe the reason for poor workmanship. Agreed that if he makes a quote he should stick to it but maybe he underquoted in error and then when you have other projects that you are going to make money on it is hard to do a good job when you know you are losing money.

[@FAB7362]

Yeah, good luck with Australian consumer law. They can only advise what should be done and if the business refuses to comply then you have to end up taking them to court. They will find a way to weazel out of any form of compensation. Even as far as declaring their business bankrupt. I've been there before. Rules and regulations are only followed by honest operators,which clearly this business isn't.

[@pablomax3045]

@@derekbeasley no excuse for crap workmanship. Just shows he is not a man who keeps his word.

[@jeffblahblah5226]

@@pablomax3045 Yeah and one shit job can lose you 100s of future customers

[@martysib6547]

Well done in trying conditions. This is why you try and do it all yourself, so you have control of the project. Looks great by the way. You've done a lot of planning which is 'key'. I'm interested to see how you mount shelves and fixture to this product. If that makes sense then I'd like to rebuild my box out of this product. Cheers Marty from Perth

[@davidbacon1484]

Interesting to hear how the box was designed and built. How will you mount equipment to the box? Can you just drill/ screw into it? Do you need to reinforce it with brackets or backing plates?

[@TONYCOOLSFISHING4X4TOURING]

The easiest way NOW to get your string through the conduit is with an air hose with gun nozzle & a small round item with the string tied to it & just blow it through also you should have sacrifice 20 to 50mm & made a chassis for your camper box & built it on the ground & then bolt it to your tray live & learn that's what life is about your camper is looking good CHEERS GUYS.

[@Alex-xh1zi]

If you need to run string through a conduit, tie a bit of plastic bag on a light string and blow it through with an air gun. It will navigate all sorts of twist and turns and even junctions if you block of the other ends.

[@jeffadams7134]

Hey Chris. You could have easily built that box yourself, and saved yourself the headaches. As far as using silicone, DON'T USE IT!!!!!. Use any high quality adhesive sealant that does not contain silicone. A good product is 3M #4200. (It also comes in "fast-cure" type). Do NOT use epoxy, the seams will crack. Good luck

[@yourstruly5038]

Hi, Great vid . just curious if you have the dimensions for your build?

[@SRTPCC]

Love IT!!

[@robertfrost5020]

Hi - well............ talking about naming and shaming - I'm Rob - I was really harsh in my comments on your last vid... it wasn't meant to be mean... I just so want you both to be recognised and be successful as you work so hard and are doing something so unique. The story might not be following the script you intended. You obviously research and plan things in great detail.... but in a weird way we all love to watch a good drama ... so I still hope you will get your 5m views ... you so deserve it.... and apologies again

[@dionrowell]

Well you really should try flex seal the really good product for good with your homemade RV so try flex seal you'll like it I do believe either find that on Amazon or maybe in your hardware store

[@mouseanalyse]

Wow, that finish is apalling. Then hearing the box builder say, come and get it unfinished, that is just unprofessional. I think you’re taking it rather well!

[@Legotruck82]

Hey guys. Mind if I ask how much rego is for the mog? Insurance? Roughs are fine just trying to do some quick maths on if I could justify a mog

[@realfamilyman]

What was the reason for not using the same 40mm composite panel on the floor? Is it because composite panel can't be secured to the frame without screws/bolts tearing through it? Or some other reason?

[@pierre-lucparent3961]

if you want to run a string after, use compress air, you will be surprise how easy it is.

[@climbhigh96]

Sorry to hear about the poor customer service and run-around you got from the truck box manufacture, must have been so frustrating and lack of respect for your time. I believe 'what goes around, comes around' and that guy will get his some day. Keep making these great videos and staying positive; I enjoy following your travels and taking us along on your journey.

[@Hugues.L]

Hey, how did it go finally with these panels for the walls and ceilings, plus aluminium trim. Did they survive rough roads ? Not too many cracks and leaks ? You're happy with this way of building a box ? Would you recommend this method ? I'm about to start building a box for a Pinzgauer here in Switzerland, thanks for your input.

[@TheOutFit]

Hi Hugues if you watch our travel vlogs this year you can see we have been to all kind of rough terrain and haven't had any issues 👍 all the best with your project!

[@Hugues.L]

@@TheOutFit thanks a lot for the feed-back, just one last question, i've checked your videos before and after this one and I cannot see how the cabin was attached to your Unimog frame, so basically the white XPS FRP panels for the walls, how are they secured to the frame ?

[@wayne1959]

wow guys, i feel so bad for you..If that's what $17k buys you now days in Oz then its time we sat back and had a really good look at ourselves as a nation..Im gobsmacked, and if we add the extended build times and inconvenience to you i should think you deserve a refund even as a gesture of good faith for not naming the builder..I hope you left the appropriate feedback and review on his business page if nothing else..So moving forward, it looks great, should be tough and i'm sure in time you will enjoy your Mog so much that this phase will pale into insignificance..I'm excited to see the next stage of the fitout now guys..Take care stay safe..

[@IkeCantle]

Thank you for this video as it opened my eyes to options for my habitation box build. What is the name of the material (40mm thick) for the box? And what is the name of the material for the floor? Why did you go for this material for the flooring?

[@TheOutFit]

Thanks Ike! The panels are FRP (fibreglass composite) & XPS foam. The floor is Thermolite - Chris explains about it from 3:56 - waterproof, thin & strong are the main benefits.

[@IkeCantle]

Thank you. Have you researched if these materials are carcinogenic?

[@TheOutFit]

@@IkeCantle Never heard anything about it being carcinogenic. However, you do need appropriate PPE to cut the FRP panels.

[@jamesredgrove6141]

Yeah, balls to the piety, save other folk from having the same problem!

[@dsimpleman67]

Wow that structural foam / wall board is cool stuff. Can it effectively be cut with skill saws and common shop tools with out splintering? How is its puncture resistance? I live in the Northwestern US and tree limbs are going to get clipped in a tall rig. I can see myself using this in future projects. Thanks for the insight. As for the water leaks, I would think getting the foam to seal water tight by itself is reach. The aluminum edging your installing will offer a sealing surface as well as a hard edge to protect the box corners from trail damage. Perhaps the real lesson here is, no one has the passion for your project that you do. If you have to talk someone into doing it they aren’t the source for you. Perhaps the better result would be to have the panels water jet cut to your drawings and then assemble yourself.

[@TheOutFit]

Hi Andy! You will see on next week's episode Chris cutting the panels with a plunge saw 👍 It's an easy material to work with! He will also do more tests with our offcuts to show the strength, it should definitely be puncture free.

[@roam4fun853]

You guys are a “class act”. Sorry you guys were screwed by the vendor. I would definitely publish all the facts on FB so others don’t get screwed.

[@TheOutFit]

We will certainly put a Google review.

[@Dingocreek]

It's a good thing you had rain to expose the leaks, before you start with the outfitting of your cupboards. I also hope you did not pay the idiot the full amount for his poor workmanship. You will need the money to ensure the structural integrity of the box is not compromised. Keep going; you will have lots of fun once you reap the fruits of your hard work.

[@eugeneenslow8563]

Who is your box supplier? I can't find the xps sandwiched on the internet.

[@somethingelse9535]

The problem in WA (and I'm from there), I wouldn't know if this applied to your case, but too much mining money spoils these suppliers. These guys can charge mining companies double the normal price and then they come back with 10 more orders. It's why they might not give a damn about small customers. Tie him up with a complaint from consumer affairs, he'd deserve it.