Haiku Alternative Operating System

[@AlexMooreish]

I believe the reason it is called Haiku is primarily because BeOS' native web browser was known for giving its error messages as a haiku....for example "The web site you seek / Lies beyond our perception / But others await."

[@Luredreier]

Could be the other way around though...

[@lovetoeatallthefood]

@@Luredreier eh? How would the "other way around" work - the Netpositive browser used Haiku error messages because the successor to the OS it ran on (which didn't exist yet) would someday be called "Haiku"...?

[@nickwallette6201]

Yep, when Zeta changed its name to Haiku, the inside joke was immediately obvious to old Net+ users. :-D

[@lovetoeatallthefood]

@@nickwallette6201 nitpick: Haiku was originally called "OpenBeOS" - Zeta was something separate, namely an attempt to update/modernize the existing BeOS (which fizzled out for a variety of reasons, not the least of which because the guy behind it - Bernd Korz - allegedly didn't have any rights to the source, or to even distribute the software).

[@verstrahlt1907]

@@lovetoeatallthefood I thought exactly the same, when I read the @Luredreier "Could be the other way around..."

[@SoylentSoy]

I must say, this is the greatest computing channel on KZbin. You are an amazing teacher, without being frilly or ridiculous. I always learn something when I watch your channel. There is something amazing about someone who can just lay out the facts, as it were, and make it stick. You can do that and its amazing. As a teacher, I respect that indefinable quality when I see it. Keep up the great work!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Many thanks.

[@rollmeister]

BeOS at the time was ahead of its time. It was very efficient on hardware and much easier to develop software on. It could play multiple videos at the same time when Window 98 could only play one video without dropping frames on my PC when I tested it back then.

[@rich1051414]

BeOS is very aesthetically pleasing for how light weight it is, but aged these days.

[@rich1051414]

​@Lassi Kinnunen Can't you just add a job that will reset the audio subsystem periodically, like every 24 hours?

[@antivanti]

Playing videos as textures on the sides of a 3D cube spinning in a window. Meanwhile Windows, Xwindows for Linux and System 9 for the latest Macs all treated graphics cards like nothing more than a dumb framebuffer...

[@qallincha]

@Lassi Kinnunen NeXTSTEP was nice too.

[@poiseinchaos3182]

People forget how depressing the mid-90s was for computing. Microsoft was dominating more and more but there were quite a number of competitors that were just plain better, sometimes spectacularly so, but couldn't carve off enough of a market to be viable long term. So many 'what might have beens'. BeOS was of course going to be the new Mac OS briefly, which might have been interesting. But at least Apple finally took on neXt and a killer 90s OS finally broke through. Good luck, Haiku.

[@TomMannCenturia]

Choice is great, the more the merrier. The alternative OS overviews and Single Board reviews are my two favourite aspects of the channel, though there's plenty more to enjoy here too.

[@cicalinarrot]

I expected the Haiku OS to only have three lines of code.

[@ipeters61]

And the second line was 40% longer than the first and third lines.

[@gben82]

Ha! Took me a second to get that

[@spicychad55]

Hal is on 17 lines of code and on Linux GNU too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJvSpGhtfq-ZY5I

[@cliff_hewitt]

10 Print "Hello World" 20 Entertain User 30 Goto 10

[@nextlifeonearth]

Background story: Haiku is called that because BeOS' error messages were haiku. (fun fact: plural of haiku is haiku)

[@spleniuscervicis1734]

I never leave thank yous on videos, I don't even watch these kind of videos, but today after the end of support for Windows 7 I decided to check alternatives but I was quite sure I could get lost in the way trying to follow the usual kind of IT videos I have seen before when trying to find solutions to the problems or issues I have with devices, or just out of the sudden attack of curiousity. This video was actually great: simple, clear, well elocuted, informative and explanative and answered questions I didn't even know I could have. Thank you, sir, thank you very much.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks. A better alternative OS would be Linux Mint: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3qagoSno7tkhpo

[@pay9011]

In looking around for an alternative to upgrading Win 7, Linux MX seems very interesting.

[@rustino666]

Great to see you covering the Haiku project. I used to be a huge fan of BeOS back in the day and used it as my main OS for a good few years. I've already tried out the Haiku beta and was pleased to see it ran off of USB quite well on my main box. Cool video, hopefully it will help to spread awareness of Haiku.

[@jackman5840]

Btw Haiku is not based on BeOS, the file explorer app is used from it as it was open sourced when the company went down, an ex employee worked to make haiku and technically based everything off of newos.

[@GovindaGopala333]

I only taught Linux was the only Open source Operating system but I was wrong. There are Many of them, thanks for providing us with your support and knowledge Sir.

[@SamTornado1701]

I find operating systems fascinating, it's unfortunate there aren't more alternate systems. But I guess we should be grateful we have anything besides windows at all.

[@420sakura1]

If we have multiple operating system. We'll have compatibility nightmare.

[@MoTown44240]

I agree.

[@ExplainingComputers]

K 9 Poodle These days compatibility issues are far less significant than they were in, say, the 1980s and 1990s, when getting a file between one word processor and another could be a nightmare. With so many apps having cloud versions/options, exchanging data and accessing resources is possible with any OS that offers a decent browser. So yes, compatibility is an issue, but not the constraint it once was.

[@SamTornado1701]

@@420sakura1 @ExplainingComputers I realize this is anecdotal, but I am a pretty heavy Linux user and I have yet to come across a Windows application that doesn't run on WINE or some other compatibility layer. Also I'm taking computer programming course and every program I've written as homework has been on a Linux computer, yet my professor uses Windows and hasn't had an issue with my assignments (but maybe he has given up and is just giving me A's for the sake of simplicity. JK he is a great teacher)

[@BFBeast666]

Available software is a huge factor in an OS's life expectancy, as is driver support. What good is LibreOffice running on it when the OS doesn't talk to my printer? On that note, on what kind of hardware does it run? Could I put it on a Pi? A ten year old office rig with 1 GB of RAM and a slow dual core CPU? There might be applications for a modern and really light-weight OS.

[@leepshin]

Thanks Chris, I think the reason there are so few O.S. choices around is because there just aren't enough professional journalists like yourself covering all the computer world and technology bases with the level of enthusiasm you do. BBC's "Click" programme rarely goes in depth nor is ever long enough and Channel 5's Gadget Show spends more time on midlife crisis toys and expensive waste of money junk while reading a list of between 50 and 70 items you have no hope of winning in their premium rate phone in entry. Between both parties they just display very lazy journalism but doing the bare minimum to fool their audiences into thinking they learned something. I think you're the only guy whom at this time actually produces content of the BBC's "Tomorrow's World" calibre and doing a thorough and worthwhile job to boot. The content in all your videos shows that you take pride in your work and that's a rare thing these days. How many more O.S.'s do you think you might uncover before the end of this decade?

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks for your kind comments, most appreciated. I hope to find a handful more alternative OS to cover here before 2020 turns! :)

[@Lucretia9000]

There's osnews.

[@vincenttan8109]

My first time to hear other OS than window, IOS, Android and Linux. Thanks for sharing. I might try it at home

[@h.b.5577]

Not quite the main priority with an os naturally, but I have to say I love the haiku gui. The best looking icon style I have seen on a modern os and a pleasantly intuitive interface.

[@fuanka1724]

The BeOS hand cursor has not changed after all these years! It's the best cursor across all operating systems!

[@jjbailey01]

Agreed

[@mikesum32]

I love your SBC reviews. Years ago they had open submissions and a vote for the name change from OpenBeOS , and Haiku won.

[@HungryGuyStories]

I'm totally happy with Linux Mint, so I won't be changing, but I'm glad that there are alternative operating systems out there that aren't just alternate Linux distros, like Haiku and ReactOS and FreeBSD.

[@logicalphallusy2364]

ReactOS aims to be a Windows clone, so its debatable whether you could count it as its own OS. Same goes for Haiku, which is aiming to recreate BeOS.

[@Luredreier]

+@@logicalphallusy2364 And linux was cloning UNIX back in the day. What's your point? Heck, even Windows was originally a clone of another OS although I don't remember what OS that was...

[@logicalphallusy2364]

No, Linux was not trying to clone UNIX. Linux is a recursive acronym which means "Linux is not Unix". And even if Linux is in a lot of ways similar to UNIX, they are not the same, and sufficiently different enough to count as different OSes. But my point is ReactOS and Haiku (at least for the first release of it) are aiming for 1:1 parity of their respective OSes. They are essentially clones.

[@Luredreier]

+@@logicalphallusy2364 Linux not being a clone is debatable...

[@HungryGuyStories]

There are lots of videos explaining the history of Linux. This is greatly oversimplified, and I'm not a tech history expert, so please don't burn me at the stake for any errors, but generally, it started with Multics as an OS for big honking mainframes. Then Unics was derived from Multics, but followers started calling it Unix. Minix came from Unix as a hobbyist thing. Then Linux came from Minix as a more stable OS for quasi-serious users. BSD and then Free BSD also got split off from Unix somewhere along there, but is not as popular as Linux, so doesn't have as large a software library as Linux, so is not as popular as Linux, so doesn't have as large a software library as Linux, oh...... OTOH, Windows started as a GUI application program that ran under MS/DOS. MS/DOS was derived from CP/M (some peeps would say "pirated" but that's open for debate). OS/2 was developed by IBM for their PS/2 systems. OS/2 was an awesome OS that was way ahead of its time at the time. But their PS/2 systems used a proprietary hardware bus that their lawyers defended aggressively, so the whole shebang died an ignoble death (big companies will _never_ learn that people will always choose open systems even over superior proprietary alternatives -- corporate executives are just _stupid_ that way). React OS claims to be written entirely from scratch, with no Linux code at all, but able to run Windows programs natively. We'll seehow Microft's lawyers react to that...

[@Tallefer]

A very nice short video. Good coverage of features. And not a single thing was cringey from a BeOS/Haiku fan's point of v.iew. Thank you! :) Basically, for a wider adoption this OS needs just a port of any "modern" browser. Everything else is more or less portable from other systems and will come with growing population.

[@ZaCaptain1229]

I LOVE THAT YOU MENTIONED REACTOS IN THE DESCRIPTION!!!!!

[@markjohnson8824]

Reactos keeps crashing.

[@philosoaper]

I had a BeBox back in the day and about 18-20 years ago I used to run BeOS.. I gotta say it's the most enjoyable OS I ever used so been paying close attention to Haiku over the years..

[@jajwarehouse1]

I was a big fan of BeOS back in the day and its drive to create a new system designed to take full advantage of the power available in modern computers without all of the legacy bloat that slows other operating systems down. I was disappointed when it was dropped before it had a real chance to gain any traction.

[@deleatur]

Wow! I tried BeOS once and although I very much liked it, it was still quite "young", but now Haiku (despite being beta yet) looks quite grown up! Thank you!

[@aytviewer2421]

Oh! BeOS! I remember this and trying it out in the 1990s on my PowerMac.

[@laurensdehaan2202]

Thanks much for the demonstration. It looks like a slick system and I'm definitely going to throw it into a VM and kick it around. Thought there were surprisingly many applications for it, and was quite taken that Libre Office is an available application.

[@mix3k818]

We need more Open Source systems. That way we won't be limited to Microsoft's Windows. I mean, anyone who studied economics knows that competition is good for the consumer.

[@mix3k818]

Also 1000th video like

[@webosm6494]

It might be good for the consumer, but what about the manufacturer and their employees. You are already not limited as there is lots of choice.

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

People limit themselves to MS or whatever else there is in life. "Me change? I can't change! Change is scary!"

[@nothing9220]

You don't need to study economic for that as long as you have working logical brain

[@johnnyappleseed6823]

Not just Microsoft but also the shitty Mac OS also

[@chromabotia]

Thanks so much for covering alternative OS's. I'm using win 7 64 bit right now and I'm not looking forward to 2020. I was first online in 1993 with Win3.11. Microsoft is working my last nerve after ME, Vista, 8 & 10. I am really rooting for ReactOS. I am really delighted with your channel and of course I subbed. Thank you for all you do and please keep us posted going forward regarding alternative OS's.

[@zamSEG]

hello sir, same dilemma here. planning on moving to ReactOS or Linux Mint right now.

[@AutodidactEngineer]

Your haircut is the most British thing in this channel,Besides your accent of course!

[@yannisgk]

:)

[@zamSEG]

finally the most awaited os for me since it called BeOS moving on to beta version. i just really love those cute icons. hope they will develop into great and stable build. really hope to replace my soon obsolete win7, if not then LinuxMint or ReactOS it is. thank you for this great video sir. cheers. :)

I remember when I was running Be on an 166Mhz Pentium1 with 64Mb of ram... damn, I could actually browse the internet with that and listen to music files... Haven't used Be or Haiku since early 2000s but it's so nice to see the project keeping up and going strong!

[@Swanicorn]

The first computer I used was a pentium 2 200MHz 128MB RAM. I was 5 years old and I used it to play roadrash without a GPU.

[@tomoneill8892]

Thanks again for another great insight on a alternative OS. Because of this considerable resource of OS breakdowns and 'shout outs', I have become the proud user of many options you've put forward!!! Cheers buddy 🍺

[@ExplainingComputers]

Great to hear!

[@elviraeloramilosic9813]

It is really nice Haiku! Hello my VMs, your poetry time has come! Rejoice! Haiku OS - Haiku code. Excellent choice Chris! And great video as expected! Yes Mr. Scissors, you are king of your scissordom.

[@100PercentTHCfilmsX420X]

lol

[@OmniscientWarrior]

What format of Haiku were you trying? I haven't heard of a 7 - 14 - 7.

[@michaelfox6820]

Thanks for reviewing Haiku. I had been curious about it, and now I want to explore it more and will install it on VirtualBox.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@nickwallette6201]

Oh man, I really miss BeOS. 😪 I switched to it almost 100% for a while at the turn of the century. It was lean mean and clean, and beautiful. And so agile. I remember showing friends how you could read audio from a CD like the tracks were just wav files by opening a Tracker window - and then pass them through an MP3 encoder - into one of the media players that could stream its audio via http - to another media player that could play the audio from the http stream. All in real time, on a Pentium II. It was a pointless Rube Goldberg machine, but it showed how smooth the multitasking was, and how all the modular components of the OS could be chained to do really cool stuff.

[@rickytorres9089]

Wow I didn't even know that sole OSes exists such as this and others. Nice to see even more competition beyond barely known Linux distros.

[@franklinpierce2854]

Just outstanding job Chris. Very interesting and informative. You are such an excellent teacher. THANKS for all you do. Much appreciated.

[@srtcsb]

Thanks for this video Chris. I wasn't sure if some version of the BeOS was still around, but I'm glad to see it is. I'll be installing it soon!

[@igorzkoppt]

Glad to see that Haiku development hasn't stalled! For info, BeOS was considered for a while as a replacement for the old Mac OS, but was abandoned in favor of Mac OSX. Even further back in time, BeOS was actually designed as the successor of... the Atari TOS! Apart from Haiku, it's a pity that QNX has never grown as a desktop OS, that would have been an awesome alternative OS - it is a UNIX, but way more efficient than Linux in terms of performance and simplicity.

[@zygmushurlecki7040]

I'm really happy that You present Haiku which appeared among alternative systems. It is very good that there is continuation of BeOS idea.

[@ericartman0]

TYVM you are making my retirement a lot more interesting.

[@100PercentTHCfilmsX420X]

XD

[@Damaniel3]

I played around with BeOS a very long time ago (as in, back in the R3 days when it first got ported to x86) and I still have a copy of R5 laying around somewhere. Some day I'd still like to find and restore a BeBox (but I doubt I'll ever see one). I'm glad to see that people are keeping the BeOS dream alive even now.

[@NOTLeavingLV]

You could run BeOS off a CD which was novel at the time. BeOS was nearly chosen as the successor for the old Mac operating system until Jobs came back and they went with Unix based OS X.

[@pplfthftr7526]

They low balled the offer.

[@glootfrootswoot]

Imagine what the world would look like now is Jean Louis got this chosen

[@Anton-dl7me]

15 years ago when installed new OS there was a tonn of desktop apps to install (took up to half a day long). Now you can count them on one hand. Everything else went into the phone or to the web. Thus OSs like Haiku being lightweight and easy to use have a very good chance to find their spot.

[@llothar68]

Don't know what you say, i only saw Haiku/BeOS in the title and had to press like.

[@jjbailey01]

I saw your comment and had to like it. Your attitude is awesome.

[@williamjames9466]

Interesting and compulsive viewing; inspires me to download and try Haiku. It is good to see there is an alternative being developed that provides an alternative to the well known systems, as Linux did in the early days. Thanks for covering it.

[@ThatFellowOnline]

That was a beautiful story.

[@dreammfyre]

OMG. I remember using BeOS from a demo disc in the 90s. Was very impressed at the time.

[@kquote03]

Actually, haiku got its name because BeOS had little haikus on some error messages, most notable one is 404 on BeOS' native browser

[@resrussia]

Thank you for an excellent overview of Haiku operating and continued coverage of alternative operating systems. The Be0S has an interesting connection to Apple Computer. The company that developed was founded by Apple executive Jean-Louis Gassée in the early 1990's (along with new computer to compete with Apple). If I remember correctly Haiku was a code name for one of Apple Operating Systems as well. Please keep up the excellent presentations you provide the computer enthusiast community.

[@rager-69]

I believe Apple was thinking of buying BeOS to replace MacOS, but instead they bought Steve Jobs' NeXT as part of the deal to bring him back.

[@resrussia]

Thank you for taking time to respond to my comments. I think you are correct. However, I remember at the time Gassée was forced to resign from Apple and he was going to develop a computer to compete with Macintosh, but there was evolution in Apple thinking about next generation of operating system and BeOS was contender with NextStep. I am thankful your willingness to share your knowledge.

[@lobitome]

I dl'd this and hoping to try it this weekend on a desktop. Thanks always for all the great info.

[@mickelodiansurname9578]

Loaded this an hour or so after Chris up loaded, then after a night up coding my way out of a nightmare I embarrassingly fell asleep listening to Chris's dulcet tones. Clearly Chris's Morpheus voice would make a great babysitter. (I'd consider that a compliment Chris, on your innate capacity for soothing and not that you are in any way boring...) But I'm back now, refreshed and eager to find out about alternate OS's.

[@OutbacksurveyPerth]

Hi, Love the range of micro/mini computers you have covered. Enjoyed this one on using a different OS. Because of MS & Apples treatment of users, I’m sure many people will be looking for an alternative OS. Personally, I would like to see a Mac OSX alternative. Competition is needed to shake these companies up. Like what Louis Rossmann is doing with the Apple repair shake up. Hope you have seen his KZbin rants. Cheers Trevor in West Australia

[@SavageArms357]

Elementary OS is a fairly good Mac OSX alternative. :)

[@Abdulla79]

Glad to see Haiku in this channel, and it is amazing how fast it boots up even from USB key, i have to try it, it is so close to being good enough for serious use.

[@hermanshire]

Loved using BeOs. I had it to start up instead of Windows. A cool thing you could do, was that you could make it look like Windows, MacOS or AmigaOS.

[@c0ri]

You should demonstrate more softwares which would appeal to the people likely to try this kinda thing.. the same reasons that got me into Linux years ago also led me to try BeOS. Demonstrate how to Hack with BeOS or demonstrate IRC or other chat clients, etc. Great video mate. You always make well spoken vids that cover the gamut of computers!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks.

[@SkepticalCaveman]

Beta 3 is available now. At this speed there will for sure be a stable release avaivable in just a couple of years. If you want to speed up development, please consider to donate. Haiku don't have much resources unlike other bigger open source projects, so every little bit counts. Keep in mind that Haiku runs professional quality software like: Blender (3D creation software), Libreoffice (open source office suit), Krita (open source painting program), Godot (open source game engine); so Haiku has great potential.

[@extremelydave]

Nice to see someone coming up with alternatives to the big boys!!! I hope it gets traction and moves into the big time..... it's fast for sure, but will need more diversity in program selection. DONATE people!!! Make it live!!!

[@5argetech56]

Thanks sir! Haiku is on Distrowatch- I will be trying it out in 2019.

[@tinkmarshino]

egad chris.. I forgot to press the bell icon and this one snuck up on me.. I am gonna stick this in vb and play with it a bit looks interesting.. i am almost through all of your old videos now just a few more to go.. even though I had to watch a few of them twice because I found them so interesting.. thank you for all of your hard work over the years Chris.. it is a real help and enjoyment for me ..

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks for watching my back catalogue! :)

[@billfusionenterprise]

The OS which be the best (If not for shortage of aps) is back. If it got backing back when Linux was taking off who know where it would have been. I liked the fact that it worked where linux was just a pain to get FULLY running.

[@dafoex]

I've played with Haiku before and I really loved the way you could tab two programmes together in one window. Replicants (basically Widgets/Screenlets/Gadgets from other systems) are also cool.

[@parrotraiser6541]

Looks rather competent, and it's another defence against monoculture. Exactly how different from others is hard to tell from this, but it appears to use Unix filesystem concepts, including directory separators the right way round. There seems to be an adequate supply of application software, which is the weakness of any "new" OS. Users want applications, which won't be written unless there are users.

[@SavageArms357]

Haiku is a direct continuation of the BeOS operating system, which many feel didn't get a fair shake back in the late 90's/early 2000's.

[@jjbailey01]

Haiku, like BeOS, is a mostly POSIX compliant, original scratch made from the ground up OS.

[@tobytobacco1733]

Great OS. Been following it for a few years now and am glad the beta is finally out. Not quite usable as an every day system yet but its getting there for sure.

[@PearComputingDevices]

I used to be a BeOS programmer, I had written on many projects within the OS itself. I even created BeMachines, an X86 version of the BeBox. IT was extremely fast for the time.

[@goofypotatoe]

Thank You . Downloading Haiku right now . Will be following their progress as they grow .

[@ahuman9860]

You should review templeOS dude

[@thearchiveable]

Yes, as a tribute to Terry. RIP.

[@kquote03]

RIP Terry

[@thearchiveable]

@McTurbo1300 Terry has died.

[@Inaflap]

I like elephants and God likes elephants. That's why he gave them a trunk. If God likes you then he gave you a trunk too. Boop boop bedo.

[@thearchiveable]

@McTurbo1300 yes, i did not read carefully enough..

[@vtx24alpha]

Thank you for posting this. I remember when the Be Machine was launched I was a college student and didn't had the money for one but the OS looked great. I'll give this a run on my virtualbox.

[@AmyraCarter]

Looks like an OS that I'd have an interest in trying out.

[@jjbailey01]

I had much fun working with and exploring BeOS. Once you get past it's quirks, it's an amazing system to use. Haiku has come along way since the early days.

[@stealthbanana]

I had forgotten about Haiku, last tried it many years ago, used to love playing in BeOS. Good to see a lot of KDE apps there.

[@thumbwarriordx]

The nifty thing about Haiku is that it's somehow still a single-user operating system in the modern day. And for most personal computing tasks there's actually nothing wrong with that.

[@jjbailey01]

Exactly.

[@ExplainingComputers]

I totally agree.

[@waddlesplash]

Well, there is already POSIX multiuser, so you can "useradd", "chown", "su", etc. But the GUI is still single-user, yes.

[@jjbailey01]

@@waddlesplash I'm a fan of OpenBSD's 'doas' as an alternative to sudo. It might be worth discussion on Glass Elevator.

[@SkepticalCaveman]

Beta 4 of Haiku has been available for a while now. It seems to be very close to stable release. GTK apps runs on it now too.

[@Giblet535]

Haiku worked from YUMI when last I tried. YUMI provides a GUI that allows you to build a multiboot USB drive. That drive can then be used to boot many different OSes and utilities from that one USB drive (instead of installing just one live image on one USB drive). Check pendrivelinux.com as a good place to grab YUMI builds for linux and windows, or the source code.

[@call_me_stan5887]

Great video as always! You are filling a virtually unoccupied niche there with these reviews/highlights and thank you for that!

[@ExplainingComputers]

Thanks.

[@RetroBerner]

Interesting OS. You could probably have resized the flash drive partition with gparted, unless it was using a proprietary file system. Thank you for the overview.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Sadly the file system is their own. I did investigate trying to expand with other tools in another OS.

[@RetroBerner]

@@ExplainingComputers I should have known better 😀 Cheers mate

[@tonifasth]

I used to love using BeOS. It was a very promising OS and I got a bit sad when it suddenly disappeared. Awesome that Haiku is trying to keep that old history alive in an open sourced package.

[@majorextrasun8880]

I Like this operating system.

[@RockstarBruski]

Wow this looks like a fun OS to try out. I have an older 5 year old testing laptop that runs windows 10 super slow so i think I'll try installing and running the Haiku OS on it! Thank you very much for making your great instructional video and the tip on the USB boot drive software as I'll try that out as well. Cheers! 😎

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

the description is wrong because HaikuOS isnt inspired by BeOS but is compatible with BeOS and was only made when Palm Technologies purchased Be Inc. and discontinued BeOS

[@ExplainingComputers]

The wording I used in the video was taken from the Haiku website.

[@sbrazenor2]

Having run both, I can tell you it is very much inspired by BeOS. The visual and functional aspects of the two are identical.

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

ok

[@jjbailey01]

@@wclifton968gameplaystutorials I was running R5.03/BONE the day Palm bought Be. I was also in the room at WalterCon 1 when Michael Phipps announced the Haiku name. Inspired is very accurate. If Haiku wasn't inspired, we'd be lacking source and binary compatibility. Good job, Haiku!

[@wclifton968gameplaystutorials]

@@jjbailey01 ok.

[@sadiekaye352]

I am old enough to remember the introduction of BeOS and the fact that I thought it was a really interesting development, fresh and new and much better than the main alternatives.... and also old enough to have forgotten what it was I particularly liked about it in the early 1990s... So a little bit more background history and "what is different" (not the windows manager but the OS itself please) would be lovely for a future video. (Despite one serious misgiving - in the singular - I gave this a thumbs up.)

[@qallincha]

It was advertised as a multimedia/gaming platform, expecting that people would reboot on it for leisure... And then DirectX appeared.

[@jameslewis2635]

From what I understand BeOS, as a program, was a pretty user friendly alternative to Windows in its day. If I am correct, it was really the business model that the company who owned it tried to impliment that lead to its downfall. While I never used it myself, it strikes me as the alternative to Windows 95/98 that should have won out but didn't because of a lack of 3rd party support and customer awareness. A lot of peolple, myself included, didn't even know BeOS existed until long after Be Inc. went bust. Haiku is one system that I would like to see come into being as a true Windows/Mac alternative. Unfortunately I see that as unlikely, at least in the short to mid term. Linux is too complex and difficult to maintain for most people, Microsoft keep farming our data and Apple is just form over function with sky high prices and limited choice for out of date hardware. Right now, we could use a viable alternative that is actually user friendly. The only other OS that could be like that is Android but Google is not interested in porting that to the desktop.

[@jbatic8094]

If this could run games I'd probably switch, I also have an old linux machine I should try this on, I can't get much to work on it

[@rvndmnmt1]

Used this back in the late 90's after I found out there were other OS's other than Windows and Mac. Was impressed with it but was primarily using computers for gaming and such. Got into Linux shortly after the Xwindow system was implemented. Paid for SUSE and Mandrake, now Mandriva. Hey, it was the late 90's and we were still blessed with 56k dial up internet. That may sound bad but my first computer, a TRS-80, had something like a 400 baud modem that used the receiver on a dial phone back when the interwebz were about a dozen servers on college campuses and you had to pay long distance rates on your phone bill to use it. I was a kid then and god am I getting old. That put Haiku on the back burner. Happy to see it's still around but probably going to stick with Linux.

[@kbhasi]

3:17 WHAT THE FUR IS "Firefox ETF"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Also, I kinda like how the Haiku icons are basically modernised (but not too modern!) BeOS icons, with a little maple leaf in place of the Be logo. 10:11 I just noticed Haiku has A LOT of KDE Applications stuff available for it, because, as far as I know, Qt 5 had already been ported to Haiku, and doing a little bit of research right now, it seems that it was actually an official port! Great to see Haiku has some recognition.

[@ExplainingComputers]

I have a lot of Google accounts and KZbin channels -- "Firefox ETF" is a copy of Firefox where the default login is to my ExplainingTheFuture (ETF) channel/account. :)

[@jeeptrail08]

Great video Chris. I'm really surprised how much of BeOS 5 was left intact in the new release. I still us BeOS on my power Mac and been waiting for an official new PC release.

[@CasperLabuschagne]

WIth Microsoft about to hijack Linux (by encouraging Linux developers to use Microsoft software patents, Microsoft will eventually own most of the Linux system due to Linux consisting of Microsoft patents), I am paying particular attention to BEOS. Hopefully enough apps will be developed for this platform that will enable one to use BEOS as the primary OS.

[@qallincha]

@@StrawberryKitten They won't use licences but certificates, preventing "unauthorized" softwares to run.

[@betsybarnicle8016]

@@qallincha I've seen that done before. Lots of small print licensing agreements to run software.

[@qallincha]

@@StrawberryKitten I was talking about Microsoft (and associates). About the "why", look at what is a Tivoization. This would restrict the user to a limited list of softwares, the hidden goal being no Free (freedom) software at all. Moreover, this has a cost. As many Linux distributions don't get high revenues, they cannot afford it.

[@nathanlewis42]

MS may well hijack several prominent Linux distributions but as long as there are distributions dedicated to pure free and patent unencumbered software Linux will be ok.

[@skaruts]

I'm not that worried. My prediction is if MS ever takes over, many devs will fork linux into it's own thing elsewhere, and continue the work as normal, and in the end MS-Linux will only end up being a branch in linux history.

Thanks Teatcher, for many years making great and importants videos!

[@erikengheim1106]

This gets me nostalgic. I used BeOS back in the day. I kind of miss the day when they kept operating systems simple, before the crazy with flat design, combining touch interface with mouse and keyboard interfaces etc. Windows IMHO is the worst mess now. But Linux is also getting rather cluttered. I think the fundamental style established by macOS used by AmigaOS, Windows95, BeOS and earlier Ubuntu worked well. It was refined over many years.

[@kimnach]

While I was primarily an amiga user through the 90s (still use my A4k/Toaster/Flyer and my 2k/Blizz060 occassionally), on the x86 I really liked OS/2.

[@chriholt]

Thanks for keeping up on these alternative OSes Chris, I’m always interested to know what else is out there!

[@annoloki]

You missed maximising two windows at the same time, which is the point of the tabs instead of full window title bars, as then you get a tabbed interface for window switching as the tabs move to share the top line :-)

[@ExplainingComputers]

This I must try. Sorry I missed it.

[@ExplainingComputers]

Tried it -- really cool!

[@edwardelliott5756]

Pretty interesting. If I’m not mistaken there was a long period where not much seemed to be happening with Haiku. That seems to be over and work is going on at a good clip. Always thought it was one of the most beautiful desktops around and I will try it. As far as it being unique or maybe odd, therefore incompatible with any thing else who cares what some people say. Looks good.

[@4.0.4]

WebPositive sounds like the OS gets a medical condition of the internets, transmitted via packet exchanges when your ports are wide open.

[@yannisgk]

lol

[@delmonti]

Another great video, and another OS I was unaware of . Cheers Christopher

[@leenshelly]

its cross platform compatibility that will end up being the make or break or a system now days

[@sbrazenor2]

Currently you can import and compile Linux and BSD applications that will work with Haiku. They may actually be faster too, since the threading architecture is more efficient.

[@WarrenGarabrandt]

I remember in the late 90's I ran BeOS as a dual boot with Windows 98 SE as my main OS. I remember it running very well on my K6-2 CPU with 256 MB of Ram. Back then, it created a large file on your HDD, and I used a floppy disk to book up into BeOS. I would reboot the computer, pop the floppy in, and the floppy would boot into that BeOS image file. BeOS ran just fine inside there. I really enjoyed using it, and was enamored with how easy it was to get dual booting working.

[@4clive]

You didn't show its window snapping/tiling function. It's a nice OS to tinker with, but hardware support is severely lacking at the moment.

[@ExplainingComputers]

I had not found the snapping thing when I made the video -- from comments here I have now, and it is great! :)

[@GamesGamesGames]

I remember running BeOS on my old 486 (running at a whopping 66 Mhz) back when I was looking in to alternative OSes for the first time. I remember loving the interface a lot, and being impressed with it being able to run all included software and the GL gears demo very smoothly. I've been keeping an eye on Haiku, but for the time being - am very happy with Linux.

[@Tall_Order]

I love this OS. It just doesn't work on my asus laptop. Stalls on startup. Has to be ran in VM.

[@tigurr]

thanks for the tip about Etcher, looks like great software!

[@25hztolife86]

Suggesting....an alternative launcher program for smartphones instead of Android that protects the user.

[@blackdogsheep5631]

Have you looked into Ubuntu Touch by UBPorts??

[@dustinm2717]

My personal fave alternative phone system is purisms librem5 phone which is going to run pure gnu-linux and it nice because it puts privacy and security first even going to the point of putting hardware switches to disable the camera and wireless ( the only problem though is that librem 5 is still in development and hasn't been released yet, ) There is also KaiOS which is based off of firefoxOS though i haven't looked into their policys and practices yet so you'd have to look into that yourself

[@fahadus]

@@dustinm2717 KaiOS forked an opensource project and turned it closed source. That irked the community. Kind of a step backwards in this day, when even Ms is now a huge proponent of open source.

[@webosm6494]

KaiOS works great though. Why should everything be open source? It is not that it will be magically good if it is.

[@paulwalker427]

Love these videos reminds me of the OU vids on BBC2 back in the 80's

[@ExplainingComputers]

A golden age!

[@savirien4266]

Seems unix-like considering that it has a bash terminal.

[@allan.n.7227]

Another great video. Haiku is very similar to how I remember BEOS was (the dynamic length titlebars look excactly as I remember them) .. what trip down memory lane.. ...BTW: Follow you on soduko :)

[@evefavretto]

The titlebars are not for show, btw. They work like browser tabs, you can join multiple applications in one window, similar to what Microsoft did recently with Sets.

[@allan.n.7227]

Everton Favretto didn’t know that. Cool stuff! Did it work like that in BEOS as well?

[@MicrobyteAlan]

I’m here again. This is the only channel I actually wait for the drop. Did the UK do a time change?

[@ExplainingComputers]

Hi Alan. And yes, our clocks went back last night from British Summer Time to GMT.

[@grandmastergyorogyoro532]

Is this about daylight saving time??

[@SuperiorModel]

@@grandmastergyorogyoro532 Yes

[@grandmastergyorogyoro532]

@@SuperiorModel Wow thank you!

[@komkwam]

@Alan Eiserman The summer/wintertime might be at its end, the EU is thinking about to end this whole foolishness about changing time every half year. It seems a lot of people have health issues due to the timechanging each year. I think it is a good idea to let go of it and keep only the original time, which is the wintertime, i am all for it.

[@70humdinger94]

I remember using BeOS on a Power Computing Macintosh clone (when Apple had authorized clone machines to be sold) that had a G3 (PowerPC 603 processor) in it. The MacOS was the Mac Classic System 7 at that time. I had BeOS installed on an Iomega Jaz drive (the zip drive's big brother) that had a whopping (at the time) 1GB storage. I could boot from it if the cartridge was in the machine at boot time. I had to admit how amazed I was at the speed of BeOS. Compared to MacOS, BeOS ran like an Indy race car vs Mac Classic that was more in line with maybe a Model T (or maybe a model A). Unfortunately, it was very much beta at the time I had it and there were not many apps available to try on it. Even the web browser (same NetPositive used in Haiku) was very rudimentary in its operations. There were many people who wanted BeOS to become the next Mac OS (post Mac Classic) but Steve Jobs would have none of it and went with the NextStep system he brought over from Next. I've seen occasional references to Haiku, which went out into the world pretty much in an orphaned state because the company that backed it went away, AFAIK. Its unusual desktop took a bit of trial and error to understand, but it was always blazingly fast.