Explicit Content Debate: The Unseen Dangers Of Nofap & The Adult Industry Is Exploiting Our Brains!

[@TheDiaryOfACEO]

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[@oxymonster1337]

Put your sources! I want the statistics of the pornography consumption on workplaces etc

[@living_water1]

Most toxic men are known to project their toxic behaviors and use it as a coping mechanism to feel better. These men are highly gripped in explicit content that utterly brainwashes their mind, I believe we can learn better from "Thick thighs, more friends, waist to hip ratio to level attractiveness" we are living in a society where men are completly obsessed with female features. Hence, this leads to the escalating numbers of sexual abuse and violence. Men should also accept the fact that, they can't always have their way.

[@homeyworkey]

I love this format, would love to see Dr. K with other well educated people, e.g Dr Mike. They've had a podcast recently where they talked about medicine practice which was great Or other popular controversial people like Andrew Tate or Jordon Peterson, as you know dr.k will keep it respectable, and will bridge a discussion between two viewpoints which is really missing these days, with everyone living in algorithms adhering to their own echo chamber.

[@pulse3412]

This format forces me to critically think about both sides of the argument which is very engaging. However, it lacks the structure and tight narrative progression of the standard format which is a winning formula. While this is a superior format for critical thinking and is more nutritious for our minds, it will most likely get fewer views and engagement. Perhaps a middle ground can be found by prepping guests with stricter guidelines so tangential arguments can occur but don't stray too far from the main theme. Grouping themes in the timestamps may help too.

[@TheXeeman]

I love this format. Get Dr K on every episode, because it's fun watching him in a more challenging setting , i love that guy

[@HealthyGamerGG]

Thanks for having us on for this debate, it was great hearing Rena & Erika's perspectives. Hope it's insightful for ya'll watching!

[@SubrosaJoe]

👑

[@shaxpx]

Dr K you are the GOAT

[@MrZERK7]

Thank you dr. K for shedding light in a world of darkness and corruption

[@thescentsofme]

listening to them initially was blood boiling. ridiculous bs. but you stayed calm and delivered the truth. you are amazing!

[@AaronSsekitoleko-ou7bm]

I finally know why Harvard graduates are respected. Big up man 🎉

[@patpoirier3059]

Dr. K has a super-balanced perspective that all should listen to. Please have him on again in the future.

[@phillippeforster241]

Not sure if you've seen them but Stephen has had him on twice already!

[@UchihaYoshinori]

That is my guy. Chatting sense

[@VioletEmerald]

He's had Dr. K on repeatedly already! Hope you saw Phillippe's comment too ;)

[@nancymcmonarch]

Really? He lost me with the detailed description of putting on a glove and doing a breast exam, comparing it to sex. Yeesh, glad he's not my doctor. And unrelated to that, it sounds as though he's never heard of the G spot. (－‸ლ)

[@saskwatch8580]

@@nancymcmonarch 🤡

[@julianpischler9378]

This is like having an ‘is sugar bad for you?’ debate and the panel is 2 doctors plus the CEO for Krispy Creme.

[@RJRFAM]

Haha so true 😂

[@msa4334]

😂😂😂😂

[@goaskalley2507]

😂

[@mayowa60]

lmao. true

[@Skinny4406]

lol

[@thehomegirlmonie]

As a woman who struggled with porn addiction in my early 20s, these women seem to be willfully naive about porn. No one's watching porn to get to know themselves more. Give me my hit so I can take the edge off my life. 😂

[@sofoclesmefisto]

PREACH HOMEGIRL ! 👹

[@BETTYBOOPSTAT]

Bingo!

[@hman2912]

100 percent

[@birdstwin1186]

yeah i try to stay away from explicit content as much as possible after finally getting away from it. Very hard with it being throwing in your face in modern media.

[@mostazezo]

I did lol many people do

[@NewelOfKnowledge]

Porn is all fun and no responsibility. I've never met one person who has felt empowered after watching it. Why can't people just accept it is a net negative to our lives? Also Dr. Malik saying she rarely hears reports of men struggling with porn fails to realise that most men don't talk about their issues with porn because they're too ashamed to talk about it; especially to a woman. If you do something and it makes you feel ashamed or guilty after, then you ought to stop doing it. Shouts out to Dr. K & Steven. Regarding Erika, it’s impossible to get her to understand something (that porn is bad) when her salary is dependent on her not understanding it.

[@ohnoohnono]

Someone with a brain finally arrives 💯

[@Gbhbbgvsbnjhhdchhb]

Their not they’re… bad spelling undermines your entire comment sorry

[@natassjamyers5999]

​@@Gbhbbgvsbnjhhdchhbdon't be like that. Take away what you take away and leave what you disagree with. Being an unpaid autocorrector isn't necessary. P.s I'm an English teacher and I still found what he said valid.

[@GogosUTube]

I love your videos man!

[@luxceleste]

I knew it you're familiar, I am a subscriber!!!

[@Sonia-zq9ek]

Dr. K makes rational and emotional sense to me. As a female, I cannot personally relate to what these ladies are advocating for 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Hassan-t4s]

They advocating for women empowerment madness even if it something bad that's all what it is anything that involves a woman gives her control on society even if it's bad and evil we should not criticize ...Not only that Dr. Rena contradicts herself many times if you pay attention end up giving typical female stand on a subject that "corn" can be bad and can be good at the same time which is a ridiculous this is how women deal with problems in generals they normalize them instead find a solution ... any human beings with brain cells can see "corn" is harmful

[@exoticindiaa]

Females hate other females, reason why Buddha said he won’t allow women as his disciples 😂

[@taibabajar]

Same

[@RaVeJB]

PORN ISN'T ONLY FEMALES SAME AS DOMESTIC ABUSE!

[@gmailazerty]

Its cool and trendy for a woman to advocate for porn in 2024, you might miss out on clout or social status points with other women

[@MegaMia1000]

As a woman, I can say I have struggled with porn and being stimulated enough visually and physically with a real life partner. Just wanted to throw that out there in saying its not just an issue for men.

[@TomNook.]

Yes, porn and "death grip" applies to both men and women - over stimulating of the mind and genitals (with hands, toys) means sex with a partner will nowhere near be as stimulating. You have to go cold turkey for a few months, then start having sex with real people again, train your brain to be be turned on and orgasm to real physical touch from another person only.

[@nikitamarynich1794]

The point is that it's most prevalent in men and the reason why Onlyfans is so popular and booming is because desperate, sexless men are paying to get their sexual needs met in an artificial way, which is extremely sad.

[@Iamam313]

I think the bigger issue is that real men (and most men in porn) don't actually finish their partners, nor do they actually care about their partner's pleasure. If they did, the fact that there's no six pack or huge dong would be less relevant (like by 99%)

[@ohnoohnono]

The problem is that you watching porn you support an industry that is based on trafficking and abuse, not that you don't get off with real men 😂

[@firstescobar6863]

Definitely a bot there's no such thing as a female orgasm they all fake it anyway 😂

[@jiji_arra]

I respect Dr. K so much. This is wild that it’s even a debate whether this is an issue and causes problems in people’s lives.

[@nightmareTomek]

Of course it's a debate because people have realized that other people just point fingers and blame stuff, including p0rn. They don't see the real issues.

[@saevvyth]

That's because Dr. K is responding to EVERY QUESTION as if someone is addicted to porn. The overwhelming majority of people are NOT addicted to porn. You need the other perspectives to make this discussion have any value. Ya'll thinking porn is bad is like a doctor who exclusively treats patients with anorexia saying eating less food is bad. Yeah, for very SPECIFIC people. Not most people. You're all brainwashing yourselves if you try to tune out the other two people in this discussion.

[@its-tinyavocado]

As a woman I already don't like both women starting points. Adult films helping to explore ourselves might be true for their generation, but mine (now in their 20s) feels completely different in our experiences. We already know women can orgasm, masturbate etc., we are exposed to both male/female attention from very young age and overall figuring out our sexuality isn't that big of a deal - you're not gonna shock anyone by being gay or being into rough play. What really concerns me is men of my age having unrealistic expectations in sex from women and from themselves too. So much stuff from porn is giving this anxiety in building relationships, it'd be too long to describe everything. My first bf told me he liked me because I resembled his favourite porn actress! I felt so uncomfortable and it ruined all the feelings I had... Something about porn that messes up people.

[@isabelw.5666]

This. Of course having access to this outlet can be stress reducing and taps into a natural urge of people. But with being so ever present and accepted and available and extreme, a lot of men who overconsume it then need and ask similar acts from their real life partners. And no, a lot of stuff in porn is not acceptable to women or done willingly. In fact a lot is plain violence, is painful, demeaning and the opposite of erotic to women. But consuming such extreme content of course cannot be left in that sphere and bleeds into real life. Where women are not paid for doing uncomfortable things with their partners, but are now pressured to believe they should want to do this anyway. This is the main point. Not empowerement or body image or comparison. Expecting women to accept or even want to be subjected to acts of demeaning violence. And it thus makes men lonelier in the long run. Because with such expectations and needs: good luck finding a hurt soul who wants to be hurt even further.

[@WalburgisLuppus]

I'm an older female and I appreciate your comments. I think they should be seen for the depth and potential they contain.

[@joojotin]

Who says that to their girlfriend lmao

[@Iamam313]

I was only ever used for sex as a blow up doll essentially. Men don't give 2 shits about women's pleasure, they just take, it doesn't matter how much you discuss the fact that you have needs too and you deserve pleasure too. If your fat or ugly and have no options in real life what do you do? I feel like they (both the experts on this podcast and society by and large) are talking about this from one single point of view and pretty much disregard most people out there. Not everyone can be in a "healthy" relationship, there's aren't that many healthy people out there so of course most relationships are shit.

[@SimplyTiffany2009]

👌👌👌❤❤❤

[@JusticeLeanne717]

Dr. Kanojia-YES. You could not have picked a better person to represent the dangers of porn but also to interact with these women. He was firmly dedicated to (a) science, (b) truth, and (c) openness (and awareness of) different opinions. He fostered a conversation that was respectful but did not allow dissenters to convince away from the truth, the science, and the REALITY of the toxicity of Porn on *most* people.

[@butterflywind999]

Well said!

[@4651adri]

Not to mention its exploitative aspect

[@nightmareTomek]

I don't think there's anything open about his opinion. Haven't even watched a minute and I already know this. He knows about the pathological side and that's all.

[@snkenjoyer4989]

⁠@@nightmareTomekwhich side of porn did you feel he shouldve represented or known about more

[@nightmareTomek]

​@@snkenjoyer4989 Not sure. I left it running while doing something else, but the conversation sounded more like what normal people talk in a bar with a beer and not highly educated people with backed up studies. Dr K also showed forthcoming agreeableness towards the women. There are many aspects about this topic that people simply don't know about or don't even attempt to think through. Like for example how societies view on it changes handling of it. Basically the message is that you should be ashamed, and what does it do to people who watch the stuff? Another aspect is that I can't even write that I heard about a study that this stuff strenghtens the immune system without the platform becoming displeased.

[@chrisbentsen1]

DR K is the best!

[@luxceleste]

YES!!!!

[@QWERTY_20717]

Indeed

[@_-KK-_]

He is an a'hole

[@tab8294]

I love him ❤

[@nancymcmonarch]

Is his whole family commenting here, or does he have his own personal bot farm?

[@Miriam-pb7wq]

The view of the two women is based in the 20 years ago scenario. We are in another place and it is so important to speak loud and clear. Thanks Dr K.

[@mr.sheepwood]

I love how skilfully Dr K navigated this (sometimes difficult to watch due to obvious conflicts of interest) discussion, on many levels, as he clearly has the best eye for how things are connected. Also, I was surprised that Louise Perry's work wasn't mentioned by Steve.

[@Darknight526]

Can you shed some light about Lousie Perry's work?

[@mr.sheepwood]

@@Darknight526 In her book "The Case Against the Sexual Revolution" she discusses the (long term) effects of porn on women - especially on the producing side. She has also appeared on several podcasts, including Diary of a CEO.

[@nightmareTomek]

Haven't even watched the video yet, and I don't know whether I will. But Dr K generally looks at c0rn from the pathological point of view and never from the general. Sounds like bias to me.

[@cory8080]

McDonald’s CEO says, “McDonald’s isn’t bad for you. It’s just food.”

[@Rassman19]

@@cory8080 in fact, a Big Mac every day keeps the doctor away!

[@abram730]

Panera Bread CEO says fast food isn't bad for you. McDonald’s CEO (smiles)

[@ross9956]

obviously porn is a weapon to reduce population´s reproduction in mass scale

[@petsonair]

exactly!!

[@Michael-bj2wd]

The way Dr Alok validates the women on the panel and then comes to a total different conclusions needs to be studied, this could have easily turn into gender debate on pornograph but he stirred it away by simply not engaging.

[@JossueND]

Facts don't care about feelings or gender

[@miabarnett2452]

@@Michael-bj2wd weird right. What happened?

[@Thisisausername556]

Psychiatry, therapy, and life coaching teaches people how to do this. Listening, confirming what you heard by reiterating in your own words, and then responding is a great way to have a real conversation with anyone, especially people with a disagreement. It makes them know you understand them, and it keeps the point at hand front and center. It also makes sure you’re listening actively and are really trying to understand them.

[@stendaalcartography3436]

He's a psyche bender

[@Rassman19]

There was some obvious tip toeing going on in during this episode. Instead of honestly speaking about the topic and the incredible destructive and harmful effects of pornography, the guests had to keep validating one another to make sure that no one was offended.

[@SierraVA]

I greatly appreciated this discussion. It's amazing to see a level headed conversation between 4 adults who know how to respect each other's perspectives and engage with each other's ideas. I was most in line with Dr. K's rhetoric; he sees the dilemma in real time as it affects children and young people. The other two guests primarily work with adults, and do not have the present insight on what will become an adult problem when these kids reach maturity. Thank you again to this channel for facilitating calm and engaging, intelligent conversations. First time commenter, long time viewer ❤

[@JmanAnimates]

i don't even have to watch the full video to know Dr.K is the one men should listen to on this podcast.

[@Theeverydaymistic]

He’s the one everyone should be listening to when it comes to porn because porn has nothing to do with physical health which is the only thing the female dr has training on.

[@charlesbrooks1357]

Musogunie!

[@JmanAnimates]

@@Theeverydaymistic exactly. It’s not healthy for anyone because at the end of the day it’s a slippery slope.

[@gimemy2bucksback911]

When he said “teaching men how to be erotic”… wow holy shit. It’s been something I’ve done different but haven’t had the words for yet.

[@homeyworkey]

@@JmanAnimates havent watched yet but dr.k literally has a video to not 'stop' porn if you are watching it and to go against stuff like nofap, its often times a bandaid to a wound and ripping a bandaid of doesnt actually help but rather the opposite. its okay to do unhealthy stuff as long as you are working to heal the wound, whatever that is. obv most people dont do that and its nuanced anyways thats what i got out of that video

[@mitzitakes522]

Dr K only one approaching this with sense.

[@cacisomasuku4471]

In all honesty, Dr. K seems to be the most informed person about this issue .From the 2 ladies there, we getting more of their opinions, and of course, the producer's passion for solving a problem that's apparently a result of the industry that she's been in for so long. The emphasis that she doesn't post stuff that exposes her body😅, sounds more like a druglord selling products they wouldn't dare touch.

[@pera.j.andersson]

It seems you only see one side of the picture, with one person working with troubled/affected people. It's like dietists or alcolholism care personnel trying to use the personal experience to get to grip with society.

[@ailojeenoch6513]

You absolutely right

[@isabellamacpherson787]

Dr Malik cited a bunch of studies throughout the podcast. Trying to change an industry while in it isn't really an insult to the producer either.

[@DishantKothia]

she's a drug dealer, arguing benefits of fentanyl for kids. This debate is laughable, should have had on more credible people.

[@NomadicLogic]

@@pera.j.anderssonwhy do you comment so frequently in defense of this insipid media.

[@animegelo]

Thank you for this eye-opening debate! While i was only familiar with Dr. Kanojia before this, everyone's perspectives felt incredibly insightful, especially as someone who was mostly self-taught in sex ed using the internet. I was expecting this to be a one-sided conversation, but Erika's passion for the industry and her hopes for its future really struck a chord with me. Thank you for bringing these different, yet like-minded individuals together for this fascinsting discussion!

[@atalyahjames3313]

I really appreciate Dr. K’s patience throughout this interview because the two women are speaking of the topics in very subjective ways meanwhile the conversation is meant to be about the overall effects on the population and interpretation on factual data

[@milaycastillo5723]

Data is not important here. How you relate to this reality is. What do I care what others watch?

[@kadirgold]

@@milaycastillo5723 The data is not important? the data is CRUCIAL, as the main query here is to see how p*rn affects society as a whole lol. The data is what points us towards the right answers and solutions. You (personally) don't have to care what others watch, but caring about what others watch is a big part of this particular conversation, and all the members of the panel certainly care, otherwise you wouldn't have this video to watch and comment on in the first place.

[@Astro2024]

What data has Dr. K cited here? Saying "studies say this" is not supporting your argument. Dr. K may be a good public speaker, but making former arguments appealing to "the moral degrade of society" raises eyebrows

[@kadirgold]

⁠@@Astro2024all studies are well known and easily accessible online. I implore you to disprove any of the data/studies/conclusions he drew. All experts in this field have the same disposition and empirical evidence which is verifiable. Anna Lembke’s Dopamine Nation is an easy read which strongly supports everything Dr K said.

[@dhoygyot]

​@@Astro2024You might not be a fan of Dr.K so you don't probably know this, but he reads research and studies almost everyday! He consumes so much research datas as much as we doom scroll on youtube shorts or tiktok, so when he says studies he probably remember reading about it but cant pinpoint which one of the studies was it at the moment. Its not like we remember each and every account that we watched YT shorts or tiktok from but we do remember the content

[@diannetaplin]

He's right about the dopamine relation to satisfaction. It's not just sexual. Sugar does the same thing. Hence so much obesity.

[@randomramyeon4209]

and people still think that asexuality is a disorder. for the record, not everyone likes to shag

[@gsomethingsomething2658]

@@randomramyeon4209 I wonder if asexual men are more likely to have abnormally low T, and if so, isn't that essentially a disorder?

[@Vindicador01]

Everybody here are wrong, we incels are right women have it or easy its infuriating, women control dating and sex and are the judges of a man's worth.

[@pera.j.andersson]

Correct. Good luck in trying to outlaw sugar. Or anything that creates dopamine effects in the body. Supernormal stimuli exist in many forms.

[@cube22111]

@@randomramyeon4209it is because not wanting to reproduce is abnormal

[@jodyrappin]

Currently a week free from porn and counting. There is no doubt in my mind its been a major contributor to all my life struggles. Dr K hits the nail on the head as always!

[@crystalpalace-yy54]

I’ve watched it every day for 50 years and never had any problems in life. Not sure what your deal is!

[@user-ig-gg26j]

@@crystalpalace-yy54 is porn available in 1980ish??

[@waterkingdavid]

​@@crystalpalace-yy54In my book porn in relation to sex is like religion in relation to spiritual experience. The exception would be in the case of those who for some reason simply cannot get the real thing. If that is the case with you it's understandable. But if not there is no way you don't have any problems in life. I'd say believe that if you choose. But that would be unkind. Because believing in that which is untrue serves no purpose unless you are truly aware that such a belief is temporary.

[@sophine7189]

​@crystalpalace-yy54 what an incentive comment. But it's not a surprise coming from someone who uses porn on a daily basis for the past 50yrs. So when did you start? Obviously very young. So how would you know your love life, if you have one at all, or your whole life in general would be better if you DID NOT use porn on a daily basis. So far, not 1 person have ever stated their life have went downward for the worst bc they slowed down or stopped porn. Must be some truth in quitting it but unfortunately it seems to be a truth you're in denial about and it's probably way too late for you to understand the benefits it might bring. Attempting to make someone else feel ashamed for their honesty says alot about you! And you're way too old not to know better.

[@Masonication]

@@crystalpalace-yy54 This is such nonsense, a laughably trolling comment. Which suggests this is not actually someone that could be that old, but a younger or middle aged person who doesn't see any problems with their over-consumption of porn. "Never had any problems in life" does not mean you've had no problems, it means you are so down the rabbit hole of your own arrogance you've become blind to what everyone else can see.

[@michellechristina8770]

Going off some of the comments I think many have missed the message of this discussion… I appreciate all sides of this conversation and found it interesting and valuable. Sex is definitely not going anywhere it’s something that is innate. How we interact with it is important, porn or otherwise. As far as porn, I’m a big believer in less exposure is best, as what’s readily available taints our ability to imagine and fantasise. Lots more to say, but will leave it there. Thanks for being bold enough to have this conversation.

[@theljbrotherhood3553]

Thank you Dr K for actually caring about us.

[@sacredpaw]

Love Dr K. , bring on that neuroscience.☺👌❤ Can I request having Dr K back to talk about trauma/Complex PTSD and all the things it does to our brains and lives, so many are impacted by it.

[@dominateme.msriot]

Check out his channel, he has an excellent 3 hour video on Cptsd ✨

[@crystalpalace-yy54]

He’s not a neuroscientist

[@chrisduly]

​@@crystalpalace-yy54yes bt psychiatry is all about psychology and neuroscience

[@Mayushisgate]

Many hours of vids on his channel to recommend but he created an entire guide on trauma. some would agree it costs as much as a horse armor DLC.

[@robertmcilwain]

I love the idea of a round table discussion, especially on subjects like this, however, the guests need to be on the same level so that everyone’s input is beneficial to the conversation. It feels like Dr K is having to downplay some of his opinions to plicate the other guests, which doesn’t allow for the subject to be discussed to its full potential.

[@kotrynabord9290]

Yes!👏👏👏

[@Ash-dj5ph]

In my opinion Dr. Malik is qualified. But Erica is just annoying af. Corn producer isn't gonna talk about negatives of corn.

[@fs5775]

Plus, where was the PornHub exec that should have been there to represent?? Glaring absence.

[@jarenfromvenus]

I want to see a nuanced discussion from different perspectives not an echo chamber. That’s all y’all want is to hear your thoughts said back to you.

[@jarenfromvenus]

@@Ash-dj5phWhy does she have to speak about it negatively? You just want an echo chamber.

[@IslaHarris.]

As a woman, porn has been extremely damaging to my life and my relationships. Thank you Dr. K for telling the truth on how damaging porn is.

[@CreatingAffluence]

Dr. K is way too educated in this specific field in comparison to the other two participants. His points are based in fact and literature so can’t be argued with from a anecdotal standpoint which both the other participants seem to be drawing from as they are further away from the actual effects.

[@nikitamarynich1794]

Not to mention 2 women can never truly understand what it's like to have a male sex drive and be addicted to porn, just like men can never truly speak on difficulties of pregnancies.

[@iizay537]

​@@nikitamarynich1794 men are addicted to porn, women are addicted to sex. You would be surprised how many women are addicted to sex.

[@Iamam313]

@@nikitamarynich1794 this is relative, there's women with higher sex drives then men, even if they are a minority.

[@TheShepdawg9]

​@@Iamam313tiny minority

[@onlineplatforms6422]

Female drives can higher than men, but physiologically there is the fucker and the fucked. The basic physical action, the male fucks it is a dominant position. High or low drive, the male psyche is usually position of dominance over a female partner. Some men will trade that physical dominance, to get off but it is STILL mentally an act they control.

[@Blondie20252]

I was so excited to see Dr. K back on here again, but this is too frustrating to finish, that lady won't let Dr. K even finish what he's saying. It's a good thing he's so damn patient because I've already yelled at my phone telling her to let him finish talking multiple times now! I will have to finish this one piece at a time later to hear what Dr. K has to say.

[@Melania815]

Why are women so often defending porn, even though they are treated like shit in 90% of porn content. It boggles the mind...

[@RenatasSam]

Money 💰💰💰

[@Hassan-t4s]

Not only that the female doctor contradicts herself if you pay attention end up giving typical female stand on a subject that corn can be bad and can be good at the same tine which is a ridiculous this is how women deal with problems in generals they normalize them instead find a solution ... any human beings with brain cells can see "corn" is harmful

[@eey8909]

@@RenatasSam Exactly....

[@bloodstripeleatherneck1941]

They like it.

[@warmaxxx]

women are irrational in their nature

[@lloydmo9409]

Shoutout to Dr K for being respectful and patient towards these ladies opinions on this subject matter because I know it was not easy. Especially because he works with people where he sees the worst possible outcomes of what occurs to men from the same thing the other two were trying to shed a positive light on.

[@zahraabdullahi1601]

If she started taking a better history from her patients and asked women if their husbands were addicted to porn, the Urologist would have a better idea of what is happening in society.

[@radiochickpro]

👏👏👏

[@slkonnaris8477]

A lot of people have absolutely no idea that their partner/spouse is seriously into porn, let alone the type of porn they are watching. In my experience from my employment area, a high percentage of people only find out their partner/spouse is addicted to porn at the point they are breaking up or getting divorced

[@jacksonrelaxin3425]

Yeah and she’s a urologist too not a therapist. Men wouldn’t be comfortable talking about their addiction problem even with a designated therapist.

[@brayheart-b1n]

Steven, I appreciate The Diary of A CEO exploring panel discussions, but this one highlighted some issues. Dr. K was clearly the standout with his expertise and evidence-based insights. Unfortunately, the other panelists, while successful in their fields, didn't seem to have the same depth of knowledge on the neurological and psychological impacts of pornography. This created an imbalance that sometimes hindered rather than enhanced the discussion. For future panels, it would be fantastic to see you pair Dr. K with other highly qualified experts to really dive deep into these complex topics. Some suggestions that could complement Dr. K well: Dr. Gabor Maté on trauma and addiction Dr. Andrew Huberman on neuroscience and behavior Dr. Bessel van der Kolk on trauma and the body Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett on emotions and the brain Having a panel of true experts like this would lead to incredibly rich discussions and help your audience gain even more valuable knowledge. Looking forward to seeing how you evolve this format!

[@thisisntallowed9560]

While I agree that there should have been different guests I'm not sure about the ones you named.

[@DrYouMrTube]

Agree. This was a cluster fuck of nonsense where too porn addicts with no knowledge were using only personal opinions to respond to science m.

[@crystalpalace-yy54]

Huberman and van der Kolk are extremely problematic so you mentioning them invalidates everything you said.

[@rabiariaz2112]

The problem is those panelists will not likely provide a different perspective on the topic of porn than Dr. K.

[@POLYLIVING]

Esther Parell!

[@razia6046]

I am here for Dr. K.

[@EpicPlayer954]

This has to be the most substantial KZbin channel and resource ever created. So much valuable info supplied by credible voices.

[@jrrthompson1996]

The two women on this episode are prime examples of Rob Henderson's concept of "luxury beliefs". I think they both mean well, and they're both smart, successful women who are viewing the topic through the lens of their experiences. But those experiences are not representative of what the reality is for the majority of people, men and women alike. There's so much societal and moral decay downstream from the widespread circulation of porn that only Dr. K seems to give a shit about, because he's the only one of the panelists who has actually worked with some of the people who suffer from it. One last thing to consider: porn addiction and abuse is much more insipid and concealable than most other addictions. You don't get hungover from porn addiction. You don't (have to) spend thousands of dollars on porn addiction. You don't get injection marks, or bloodshot eyes from porn addiction. Most people can be functional addicts in terms of their work life, while their social life completely collapses.

[@r.walker7986]

God forbid women would advocate for female sexual satisfaction. That's the basics, it's not a luxury.

[@pera.j.andersson]

Interesting. So you equal Dr. K:s experience with most men's experiences? Any source on that?

[@miabarnett2452]

@@jrrthompson1996 can’t two things exist at once? If I like to drink on occasion but alcohol has been banned bc a group of people became addicted, why am I the one who has to make the lifestyle change?

[@Tuberoth]

they also have qualifications that give them no ability to speak on the subject matter compared to Dr. K

[@evadebruijn]

This has a bit of an Theodore Dalrymple flavor to it with the "moral decay". .I bet it goes the same as it did with violent video games. Even after studies showing it does not correlate to higher prevalence of violent behavior, people still parrot the idea the violent videogames are to blame for stuff like school shootings. Just because it goes against your own value system doesn't make it truth or fact for everybody else

[@alext4663]

I feel like Dr k is the only one really qualified to talk about this lol

[@ij4674]

Exactly, Erica is like a drg dealer preaching the benefits of drgs.

[@twainalex996]

😂😂😂 because he is a man? Bro 😎 grow up women are people too

[@nxrj5632]

@@twainalex996​​⁠no he just gives more nuanced takes on the matter irrespective of gender and his experience speaks more to men watching than the women on the podcast. Don’t assume everything has to do with sexism. I don’t agree with the original comment speaking about qualified but i lean towards more with agreeing to dr k still.

[@nikitamarynich1794]

Women barely watch porn in comparison and the entire porn industry is funded by men who pay for OnlyFans in order to satisfy their insane lust. No woman will ever understand the male sex drive and how it feels, no matter how much research they do on the topic.

[@m00se40]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@nxrj5632As a registered MD in psychiatry Dr K. certainly is more qualified to speak on matters relating to neuroscience and the brain. It has nothing to do with sexism Lol.

[@justinetorres670]

Boo to both these women. I have personally experienced abuse as a result of my ex having “death grip syndrome “, watched several friends have relationship issues as a result of their partners having porn addictions. I’m not saying porn is the devil, but for these two women to act like porn is completely innocuous is just ridiculous. And to poo poo it as “the bad is mostly affecting men” like that doesn’t ripple effect to women is even more ridiculous

[@chanineyordy639]

I completely agree with you!! I am apart of a group of women where porn has literally destroyed their life

[@Vindicador01]

We incels are right women have it or easy its infuriating, women control dating and sex and are the judges of a man's worth

[@ailojeenoch6513]

True words have never been spoken

[@angelafletcher8444]

I had my life completely destroyed by a partner who was addicted to pornography, it was a shame that the impact on partners wasn't explored deeper

[@mrsks5399]

It's horrible and I'm terrified for my sons 😔

[@Ziggle-ky9kv]

The fact that nobody talks about the book NoFap Rebirth Project, speaks volumes about how people are stuck in life.

[@nancymcmonarch]

Chances are, nobody's ever heard of it. And it sounds like a sketchy life goal, really.

[@TremendousSax]

You nofap cultists are delusional and obsessive

[@jinkazama2555]

scammer

[@mikeb7195]

Is it that nobody talks about it, or is it that this is just another e-book promoting bot that frequents all of this channel's (and others) videos?

[@nickandrews2255]

No we Do not really have to go zero fap to survive however it’s like yeah if we withhold we will have a desire to seek it through real life experiences I feel or desire to be true

[@kelvinchege1554]

As a 25 year old man Dr k is making sense here, Porn brings fantasies which are not real, affects effective communication, self confidence , and many more.

[@josepharmstrong6429]

I am glad Dr. K was on this podcast, personally I suspect that the other experts have a disconnect on the topic and underestimate how bad it is in society. They say some very valid and fair points and the logic is quite sensible. They just don’t have firsthand experience with the issue

[@TheStarrySky-sb9df]

They definitely underestimate

[@justacoginthefkery]

They do have firsthand experience, but they work with it from a healthy place of using it to help others improve intimacy. Dr. K's experience is more about looking at research & working with addicts who aren't using it in a healthy way.

[@ennaaizpuru663]

@@justacoginthefkery You can't built healthy intimacy with the use of porn.

[@onlineplatforms6422]

Apples and oranges. The women are not arguing the same point, they care about how it makes them feel about themselves and the control/confidence it gives them. Dr K, is explaining how it can f@ck up your mind as it’s not a natural interaction, stimulation process, even when sharing it with someone else. The medium in which it’s shared leads to overstimulation which damaging. If it wasn’t there would be no warning for kids at the start.

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

Where do feelings and confidence comes from?? The mind.

[@pera.j.andersson]

"overstimulation which damaging"? Then moderation is key. Re. sugar, gaming, social media or anything that can be over-consumed.

[@butterflywind999]

@@pera.j.andersson Yes!

[@MustbeTheBassest]

​@@pera.j.anderssonyeah, for sure. Except, I wonder if for some substances or products, we're kidding ourselves expecting enough people to have that capacity. It's a societal balancing act between the people who can and can't. Regardless if it's genetic predispositions or whatever. By allowing it, we are either being delusional with the effects or willingly saying some people's life's being ruined is acceptable.

[@justacoginthefkery]

The whole point of a roundtable discussion is to not have an echo chamber where everyone repeats the same thing while the rest nod in agreement. That would be boring & imbalanced.

[@finlaywhiskard3965]

As Dr. K continued to speak, Erika Lust felt her porn empire crumbling around her.

[@DiabolicalAngel]

nah lol

[@VSM101]

@@DiabolicalAngel yeah it is

[@si5385]

He endorsed her porn specifically

[@LucasLinder]

I saw Dr. K, I click! I’m a simple man! 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@G2020-]

2020 called they want their comment back.

[@LucasLinder]

@@G2020- You literally have 2020 in your name bro.

[@CRAZYJO24]

​@@LucasLinder man didnt consider that 💀

[@anwarraja7941]

I hope you to sleep with him !

[@gimemy2bucksback911]

Fr, I trust his word like gospel

[@karma-queenofflames376]

Dr. K makes a lot of sense. He definitely understands the subject. What these women are saying is a slippery slope.

[@milaycastillo5723]

They have valid points. Don't just assume they are wrong. Pause for a moment.

[@shamallama8663]

@@milaycastillo5723 they don’t understand the male experience

[@Yoshiecatattck]

@@shamallama8663 but why is the male experience more important than the woman’s ? I agree with doctor k on majority of things but they made a good point. This discussion is about porns affect on both men and women and doctor k expresses his perspective from the male experience and women tend to have an entirely different relationship to porn than men.

[@shamallama8663]

@@Yoshiecatattck it’s more important because it’s a negative effect in men

[@milaycastillo5723]

@@shamallama8663 men don't understand the female experience either. That's why everybody needs to hear both sides and consider both sides. The world just can't run on male's perspective any more. Women exist too and what can benefit them must be considered as well.

[@angelafletcher8444]

As a woman who was married to a man addicted to pornography, I would have liked to have seen some discussion about the impact that porn addiction had on female partners

[@Stuffinathor]

Dr. K is getting a lot of praise, rightfully so. But I feel like Steven did a phenomenal job moderating. Not only does he cleverly intercept when Erika seems to get stuck on the same narrative and tries to stear the conversation away from porn, but he also recognizes when one of the guests didn't say anything for a while and addresses them directly, to get them back into the conversation. He also notices stale arguments and intercepts by stating some statistics, survey data or by simply moving the conversation along with other questions. I really enjoyed that, great job.

[@Eliza-z6s]

I can’t believe these women can’t see that if porn is bad for men, it’s bad for women too! Most women love and want to be in relationships with men-and if our lovely men are struggling, that worries and upsets us. We do actually CARE about men, amazingly enough!! Regardless though, porn is objectively desensitising and addictive for women too, even if (arguably) to a lesser extent.

[@Iamam313]

your seriously saying men and women are the same? :))) for real? how delulu are you? depending on the individual, watching porn can be great. Just because it's not great for men doesn't mean most women don't benefit from porn. Let's face it, men by and large don't give a shit about their women's pleasure and they never or rarely pleasure their women partners. I am a single celibate woman who is done with selfish men. I've wasted too much time already on giving men chances only to always get the same stupid selfish behavior. I still deserve, want and need to feel physical pleasure, porn helps with that, along with masturbation and romantic books. Not everyone has access to being in a decent relationship, why should those people not feel pleasure? That's selfish and bullshit we deserve pleasure too

[@AulisVaara]

It's good to hear there are still women out there who care about men. If you listen to the internet and the media, we're everything that's wrong with the world. Men need to hear women still care about men, so let your voice fly whenever you can! Thank you.

[@Iamam313]

@@AulisVaara men who deserve to be cared for will always be cared for. Unfortunately there's too many women caring for men who deserve nothing

[@Morpheus_neo_trinity]

Absolutely spot on. Women end up facing untoward consequences from men due to porn usage. It's true because I have experienced its adverse effects first hand. Makes you angry, depressed, anxious, socially awkward,aimless,hopeless. Misandry is at an all time high these days, blaming men for everything wrong in society so thank you for showing your love and concern for men. It's such a rare thing these days to see a woman do that ❤

[@gmailazerty]

It's not cool to say that in 2024. You will be shamed by other women for saying that.

[@johnrapp8779]

I see two people in denial and two showing a valid concern. It's odd that the females are in support of porn. My how the tables have turned from 20 years ago.

[@ZiliaVing]

Yeah, it's crazy. As a woman I can't understand how they are thinking. They seem out of touch from reality, almost brainwashed.

[@Halcyon1997]

You mean 50 years ago? The sexual revolution, which is focused particularly on women and their empowerment, happened in the 70s

[@RCGWho]

It's feminism or a pay off or both.

[@magnavshdj]

@@ZiliaVing Copium. So many women give up about setting boundaries around porn, and seeing it's negative affects that I think a lot give in and try to see the positive (which there really isn't). If people have time to watch porn, they have time to improve intimacy with their partners that are real and in front of them. I think many women tolerate, give up and excuse the behavior because they can't stand on boundaries or have been fed and conditioned to excuses of "men will be men, they are like that, they can't be helped, it's what they are." which is funny because Dr.K's perspective and experience tells another story, that men need help with it more than they could admit because of shame or other reasons and that it's a real problem.

[@kingdoms.a.a.r2985]

One of them making do you think she gonna complain 😂

[@ONLYFEJMZZZ]

I cant believe that one MAN has to "fight" with 2 females over clinical evidence, and research about dopamin, i mean hes on all of our sides for god sake hahahhaha

[@RJRFAM]

Haha yeah, facts 😂

[@thepiccards2105]

Eve hasn’t changed…. Bite the apple.

[@leza4453]

It is not a fight where someone is 'right' at the end. It is a discussion where all the partcipants learn from each other. Everybody has something to add.

[@thepiccards2105]

@@leza4453 nope… the porn chic has nothing to add…

[@kingsnorkie]

Because their feelings don't match statistics 😂

[@jessemontgomery6470]

I was 8 years old when I found my first pornographic magazine. I have battled with pornography and lust for nearly 40 years now; ten of which I've been a Christian man. I've had periods of time up to a couple of years where I was able to stave off the consumption. However, this addiction is one I feel I will never claim to have victory over no matter how much time will pass without consumption. My willpower is not a question. I have quite so many other bad habits with much less effort or even relapse. Name it smoking, alcohol, marijuana, lying, theft, and even meth! In fairness to the two women the understanding of impact is relatively new from the perspective to impact on the female population. Really the only impact that has enough information about the impact on a woman is mostly the impact to the adult actresses themselves. Dr. K is absolutely correct that for a male there is almost zero positive in comparison to the amassing negative impact that pornography has on the overall male population. Lastly, the exploitation of individuals participating voluntarily/involuntarily has tailspinned out of control! My belief is that as interest or demand grows for "taboos" so goes the exploitation of participants. In many cases the voluntary will become engaged in the involuntary and the innocent involuntary numbers will grow. I relate it too a candybar company. Said candybar company has a single product a chocolate bar. The sales only grow as the reach or consumer base grows. Said company introduces a variety to stimulate more growth to counter the result of single product limitations. That said the original chocolate bar was the base product that funded the development of every product introduced there after! This is what I remind myself when falling back or refraining from falling back into the trap of this addiction. What you consider basic and harmless funds, and even could evolve into within certain individuals, all of those that are beyond what you would consider harmless. In closing think or remember next time you choose to engage in pornography you may be promoting the exploitation of a child whether they be the viewer or the physically exploited. This was the one aspect that actually changed my perspective on pornography outside of the religious condemnation of such sin. Amazing how the thought of the impact of exploiting children was greater than my own condemnation! I would declare that epiphany as a supernatural act of God! Try finding a partner that you can build a connection with and grow together through intimate erotic connection. This will be net positive with very limited negative consequences with consenting adults willing to commit to an exclusive relationship based in open dialog and communication! #pornisnegative

[@yahussainmazloom1]

Absolutely true

[@khaleeqkusi3113]

I’m glad I hit check newer comments on this, great message.

[@machinist12388]

Dr K was great, the most informed and stayed on topic the most.

[@crystalpalace-yy54]

And wrong most of the time

[@yq3908]

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it”. Erika is not even qualified to discuss against two doctors.

[@dawiser1]

I don’t blame her, Steven should’ve known that having two professional doctors and a layperson is not a good match

[@batzmaru2010]

And you are qualified to make this comment?

[@maxdragneel6]

@@batzmaru2010yes because this is an objective fact that the person is stating , this is a debate based on evidence and various studies , she has not studied for years to be a doctor or have experience in human psychology or physiology while the other two do. You don’t need to be speciliased in a field to point this out lol .

[@theljbrotherhood3553]

I believe it was more so done to add counter points. Maybe he did it on purpose to open her eyes to the destruction to men and women she partakes in.

[@ailojeenoch6513]

She is Absolutely not qualified

[@itsgeraldine8837]

Thank you Dr K for everything! Saving lives saving love ❤

[@TheSkyCries1]

Erika Lust was so difficult to listen to. A lot of the things she says does not seem to be based on reality, or facts. The vibe she gives me is of one of those people who will say anything, regardless of whether they themselves belive it or not, as long as it benefits them in some form.

[@radioactivecrayon7194]

I couldn't disagree more, but can see how you came to that conclusion. There's a very clear discrepancy in the guests' speaking/educating abilities, and Erika seems to be the least experienced with articulating and holding her own in a debate. She brought up some really good points though, and her counterpoints stirred up some really good discussion and insight.

[@NoobCR98]

​@@radioactivecrayon7194 facts

[@Mary-ps8ll]

@@radioactivecrayon7194couldn’t disagree more, Erika is obnoxious and she doesn’t listen, she interrupted several times without making any sense. I understand her stance and on some points she was right, but overall she is just loud.

[@Anonymous-nz5kr]

I listened to this whole interview and didn’t hear any good takeaways from Erika. Dr. K was excellent; I loved listening to his opinions. He’s why I watched the full episode.

[@NoobCR98]

@@Anonymous-nz5kr Dr. K would disagree

[@callformotivation]

You want to know if porn messes with your brain? Listen to Dr K. He's psychologist. It's not that hard decision. You want a biased opinion? Listen to the porn director. You want to listen to a urologist, who specialises in nothing to do with psychological impacts and if so much less than the studies undergone by a psychologist, then listen to her. For me the answer is simple. It's a yes. Dr Renas typical answer 'hard to say', 'we don't know yet'. Whilst Dr K is telling you logical and clinical based experiences to back his points.

[@yplwfzyui5]

Precisely! & nobody is condemning those who are addicted to porn. All we trying to do is to raise awareness about the detrimental effect of porn on the brain. Scientists say that watching porn is tantamount to snorting coke. I have had several males friends who've shared with me their struggles with porn & how they've unsuccessfully tried to come out that pit. People hardly address this issue yet the addiction is qt rampant even amongst teenagers. Porn sadly turns you into a deviant & breaks your marriage. Can one break free from this prison? Of course you can. & we are sharing this with a lot of love, & not condemnation.

[@Dudesidabe]

That was the wildest part to me. you will see Dr Renas say that, we don't know yet, and you can see Dr K perk up. He knows lol

[@CZTachyonsVN]

Just to be that person… Dr.K is a psychiatrist. Not psychologist. What’s more, he specialises in addiction. That’s why he’s an authority in this topic.

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

Why don't you see that this set up is completely skewed? So easy to manipulate.

[@alic1977]

Dr k ❤ really happy he is apart of this discussion one of the my favourite guest you have on your show I always tune in when he is on his theories are very relatable Erika is there to defend porn simple but her presence was necessary she is the proof of the problem Dr Malik approach 50/50 informative from a devil advocate perspective

[@shardieb]

What a necessary discussion that has raised questions, possible the beginning of solutions before the problem aspect devolves beyond repair, en masse. Kudos to Steven and team for getting this nuanced panel together.

[@doraalbino490]

HealthyGamerGG wins the debate! Been following this guy for a long time, and I'm glad to see that he's growing in popularity and being invited to these bigger podcasts. 💯👌

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

Biased

[@juste.une.mouche]

*Based

[@luxceleste]

I remembered he has a stream that only has 45 viewers and he just kept on showing up

[@radioactivecrayon7194]

I'm not sure it was about "winning" 😂 They were there to share perspective, learn from each other, and hopefully teach us listeners something in the process. Dr. K thrives at the teaching aspect, and is far more articulate with his talking points, which unfortunately left the other two guests lacking by comparison.

[@kwakufrimpong___]

We needed a Dr K equivalent on the other side to make this make sense.

[@ProjetSoma]

Because there is not!!!

[@omeirai]

There cannot be, because the truth is kinda objective there tbh

[@vusanichirwa1348]

Steven, your fearless approach to experimentation is what truly sets you apart in the podcast industry. From introducing new formats like debates to constantly evolving how you engage with your audience, you’re always pushing the boundaries of what a podcast can be!

[@impostorsyndrome1350]

This is not a debate. This is feminist women yapping how they hate men.

[@Clzbear]

I love Dr. K! Thank you for having him included.😊

[@Whippet4Life]

This is as if Albert Einstein and two Kardashians would talk about quantum mechanics (ofcourse dr.K being Albert). This women are terrible! And I'm a woman. Dear men, these two DO NOT represent the view of women population. Dr. K is awesome, like always. Thank you dr.K and Steven ❤

[@celesteceleste6401]

@@Whippet4Life absolutely agree with you. We can exonerate the video maker, cause obviously she got her own agenda, but the doctor woman is wtf.

[@natlions]

Best comment!

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

I don't know, I think you are just brainwashed by society to feel shame for exploring your sexuality with porn 😮

[@gemelwalters2942]

They are a bit out of touch on the make side butt is it that surprising? Women can only relate so much to an extent and no more, same vice versa. The producer is the one I found most problematic because she clearly has a vested interest in the industry and she seems disillusioned with the harm not just to men but the women as well. Most of the women who go into porn are poor and desperate women.

[@pera.j.andersson]

So you know how women think on these subjects? He could have invited Monique Mulholland, Heather Berg, Susanna Paasonen, Nancy Bauer, Amia Srinivasan, Emily Nagoski, Esther Perel, Richa Kaul Padte, Celine Parreñas Shimizu, Eva Illouz and some more, and the result would not have been wildly different. Are those women also wrong?

[@Garypazyamor]

Pornography is the most accessible and lethal mental drug available

[@batzmaru2010]

Not really, it is sugar and Americans are now sugarcans....

[@Iamam313]

not for women

[@tobi-ing]

@@batzmaru2010Nope, the whole world is a sugar can.

[@andi8489]

no, its sugar.

[@crazyman2188]

First thing I though was sugar is way worse over all but right below that would probably be caffeine and porn.

[@SilentS2]

Can we have an episode where drug dealers are trying explain how good cocaine can be for you? ”But just a little bit of nice pure cocaine now and then makes you feel good. Weak men who get addicted are the problem. I produce some nice high quality and ethical powder so I’m a good person.”

[@liisad9192]

😂

[@JW0121]

Heroin too

[@cosmiccutie6687]

"Well ackshuallllly, it's not the cocaine that's the problem, it's natural to drink tea made from coca leaves, it's all because of those people concentrating it, it's a race to the bottom" /s

[@jarenfromvenus]

You’re trying to be smart. But people should be able to do cocaine in moderation.

[@AwkwardlyChill19]

​@@jarenfromvenus Should be able to do Blow in moderation? 😂 Whattttt 😭

[@revivalquest]

Massive cudos to Diary of a CEO!!! Talk about something that benefits society at large and having an outsized impact on the world at large, this is a genius move. Keep this guest/discussion "template" ready for future editions. I GUARANTEE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH using this podcast format and structure.

[@Malik_Sarmad]

Great job by Dr K confronting disgust .

[@Heidi123]

The urology woman just seems to be saying things for the sake of it. She doesn't seem like an expert on this issue. The "director" is justifying her own industry. The male interviewee seems the most informed.

[@gmailazerty]

She's a coward who speaks for the sake of appearances not the truth of what is being discussed

[@jennithepooh4u]

Thank you for saying what I was trying to say!

[@DavidBaudin]

He is supposed to be informed about "porn addiction" its literally his job and all he makes content about. The other 2 are there to provide a different perspective. Not everyone is a porn addict. The urologist draws from the experiences of her patients as well as a mother who speaks to her children. The director draws from her experience and views from being in the industry. The conversation is not meant to be one sided. Dr. K's perspective is somewhat skewed because he researches porn addiction all the time. But there a lot of people he doesn't interact with that do not identify with having a porn addiction.

[@adammartin1507]

​@@DavidBaudin It's a very small proportion of his content, he's made a couple videos, but most of his stuff is more broadly mental health or gaming-focused. He tends to draw from commonalities across all types of addictions. I think he did fine acknowledging the people who have a healthy relationship with it, while focusing on the concerns and providing balance to the conversation.

[@ViDeTool]

​@@DavidBaudinhe makes general mental health content. Corn addiction it's just one smaller subset of his content.

[@IrohsTeaShop]

I would love this format with dr k, dr gabor mate and dr jordan peterson

[@SehYoga]

100 %

[@jadejago7664]

Yes!

[@keddy5627]

Absolutely!!!

[@faizansheikh6010]

yess!

[@YM-qb6gh]

Yes, I agree. These two women bring nothing but irrationality to this debate. They’re clearly leading with emotion.

[@emmanuellengmang949]

Just noticed the timer feature that lets you know when the conversation is going to start so you can skip ahead. It may have been a feature for some time now but these continual little improvements are a testament to the teams attention to detail and dedication to improvement. I love to see it! 👏🏽

[@shakir4969]

Erika is that one friend that we all just... tolerate

[@dawiser1]

I like her, but I don’t think it was fair/wise to include her in a discussion with two professional doctors.

[@91722854]

yea, she is just there to promote her business and career, always starting with "I.......", rather than viewing and discussing the issue from a more sat back view, of the grander subject, sure making something with certain intention, but it's not that *orn is all about her own work, but the phenomenon of people watching their fellow species copulating remotely and alone, similar to the situation of enabling people to kill people in game which may desensitise the seriousness of harming or killing of others in real life, it's the potential yet she seems to be so focused on her own work and her ideals

[@Iamam313]

cuz she's hot, which is super ironic, don't you think?

[@batzmaru2010]

Because you "know"her? She is a really nice person and I really know her, so maybe you should not have/give a igonorant opion

[@gemelwalters2942]

@@dawiser1 I disagree. It's important to see what the other side's perspective is. How else do you make an informed argument against it? She's clearly out of touch and has a clear bias because she benefits from the industry and that's good to know. That tells us that the ppl in the industry will never fix it themselves.

[@Bibars-s1u]

One woman is a porn producer, and the other is a urologist specialising in kidney stones and hydroceles. So, how are they in a position to give advice or opinions on the risks and addictive behaviours of porn? Isn't there a clear conflict of interest here, especially for the producer? Meanwhile, the man is talking from his own personal truth and experience, which seems a lot more credible

[@cjw6659]

100

[@Angela-fq4bk]

If you listen carefully to both women, you’ll find that there is no conflict of interests. Just think. To make a saleable product you need to understand consumer’s needs, right? Who can understand those needs if not a producer?

[@purple66666]

0:18 isn't this a debate from different stand points? It's even portrayed as a match see 0:18 . They are not supposed to "give advice" but counter each other's arguments.

[@aleksandrac9335]

And the Man is an incel daddy youtuber

[@JohannahArrington1908]

The urologist treats ED secondary to porn usage. So, the treats the aftermath of excessive porn use.

[@jacolisedebeer7358]

Being the partner of a man with a secret compulsion/addiction, I can't be objective about this topic. The fallout of his 32 year use has been so devastating on so many levels that I can't see anything good in porn.

[@Sara-x6t3s]

Same, 23 year's and I hate it with a desperate passion.

[@jacolisedebeer7358]

Also someone want to comment on the stat that a relationship that incorporates porn has a 300x risk of infidelity in the relationship?

[@glory70x]

Exactly 😢

[@Dr.Beetlejuice110]

This is just a weird take to me because it's like you are faulting people for not having the precognition or the faith that they will find someone to have sex and fulfill a desire when plenty of people are struggling to find anyone to be with today at all. You are an unpredictable factor in your partners life. They didn't see you coming. You didn't see them coming. Meaning y'all didnt know when y'all would meet each other let alone be with each other. So you want people to live according to what might happen instead of living authentically.

[@anthill1510]

"As a partner of an alcoholic I really can`t see anything good in alcohol." That`s exactly how you sound. Even though most people in society use alcohol responsibly and it has benefits in peoples social lives. It can be addictive to people, but the problem is the addiction, not the alcohol or the porn.

[@Bouffdaddynz]

@heathygamerGG Dr. K is a G. Kept it a buck all the way. Bro didn't self-censor out of fear of confrontation or cancellation, nor did he pander to the female opinions BUT... was so genuine and respectful when pushing back. I'm 29 years old and going to Med school thanks to many people but mostly Dr. K for helping me realize I have a deep passion for understanding and helping humans in a similar way. Big up DOC

[@lesath7883]

Hope you become a great doctor.

[@JmanAnimates]

I’m watching the podcast now and 21:20 it pretty much proves my comment right. She says I can’t help but feel you are talking about a masculine experience now. Men don’t listen to these women in regards to their view on porn. They don’t know what it’s like to be a man and guess what I don’t know what it’s like to be a women. We are different. Listen to Dr.K and realize that your ideal lifestyle probably didn’t involve you jerking off to pixels on a screen. It’s tough but reducing/cutting porn out of your life will always be a positive.

[@IvalinYordanov]

It's not a matter of is porn good or bad, it's knowing it's bad and how we prevent it from taking over our lives from an individual level. We need solutions because porn will never go away, and it's getting more dangerous and toxic as it progresses. Telling people it's bad doesn't help, telling people just stop doing it doesn't help. We need solutions not statements

[@CZTachyonsVN]

The problem with them is that they don’t see the damage that both men and women experience. You could replace Dr.K with any other female psychiatrist that specialises in addiction and get similar conclusions. Likewise, both women and men should listen to Dr.K thanks to his expertise. Women experience porn addiction too or are affected by their partner’s addiction.

[@JmanAnimates]

@@CZTachyonsVN exactly!!!!!!!

[@sven1265]

Dr. K is the only real one

[@InwardSilence]

This is without doubt, a very complicated and difficult subject. Thank you very much for bringing this subject to light and presenting this subject objectively. Much appreciated!

[@newbeginnings-r5b]

This episode has been really educative for me, so thank you as always! I'm definitely not a specialist (or a fan) in this topic area to be honest, but I appreciate the different perspectives discussed on this episode. I think that having these conversations helps to educate us all and allows us to hear different views, without people being afraid of judgement. I've definately learnt a lot from this episode. I agree with most of what Dr K said on this episode. I think that there are a lot of long term negative impacts of watching porn, which people may not be aware of. We are made human for a reason and I think that real human connection is really important, especially to strengthen our bonding. On a deeper note, I think that some people may not know that there is a big difference, between love and lust. If they have not seen real (unconditional) love, then they may easily think that they are the same thing. I feel very blessed to have seen real love from my grandparent's marriage. I've learnt from them that real love is unconditional and it lasts. There is no perfect relationship, but it is real and it lasts. Lust is definately no substitute for real love. The saddest part for me is that young people (or even children) are being exposed to porn and they may try to re create or strive to become the image that they see in these videos. They forget that real love is not scripted and does not have a director. They also may not have seen or know what real love is, so they may think that it is ok to settle for less than real love in their relationships when they become adults. Another sad reality is that children may grow up thinking that the version of "love" that they see in the porn films is what real love looks like. This is where I think education can really help too. Parents and schools can help children and young people to know the difference between real love and lust. Unfortunately, many people in life end up having to find out the difference for themselves, the hard way. Ultimately, I think we should do our best to maintain and protect our loving relationships. There is no substitute for real, lasting love and connection ❤

[@priscillasanyu]

This ✔️ 10/10

[@terrimartel6558]

Just educating people re: healthy food, communication, sexual behavior, etc., is simply not enough. The warnings on cigarette packages did not stop people from smoking, but an extreme increase in price had more of an affect. So many people don't fight impulses. This subject is extremely broad. Sex is just part of it. I see universal greed being a big player here. Media, food, and so on, is created regardless of how healthy it is for us as humans. I'm so glad that the conversation expanded beyond porn. Having technology take the place of human connection is a HUGE part of the disfunction in society. On an intimate level, that includes porn. I felt Dr. K's closing remarks were spot on.

[@juniperk912]

We need more of these roundtable conversations on Dairy! Loved listening very much!

[@NewTruths]

Well done- While this is longer than I am comfortably able to listen to, I think it was good to hear some variety of opinions on this subject. Great work everyone. Let’s do another! Andrew

[@tommyhundersmarck7018]

Just watched the intro, and whoever does the editing deserves some recognition! Dr. K's comment and Steven's look just gave me a big laugh-thank you for that!

[@tenlivesmedia]

When I saw the thumbnail I thought, “oh great, they just made an edit compilation” 👎🏼 Then I scrolled to see the photo of all three of them at the roundtable and it immediately made me watch. Bravo to Steven and team for not defaulting to the “compilation content” out there. It comes across apathetic and this just raised the bar. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@BS-zt4xp]

Could u explain ur post please? I m not able to understand it. Would love to.

[@MsMak03]

⁠@@BS-zt4xpsame. Compilation content?

[@tenlivesmedia]

@@BS-zt4xp sometimes other channels take clips from multiple podcasts and just edit a “compilation” around a subject. The guests aren’t talking to each other, it’s just them talking about the subject from different podcast clips over time.

[@BS-zt4xp]

@@tenlivesmedia I see. Thanks for the reply, sweetie.

[@Theeverydaymistic]

1 in 5 internet searches are for pornography is shocking to me… this is really sad. I think young children being exposed to pornography is a form of abuse.

[@infiniteworfare5089]

please go to a factory farm and look at the abuse you have done by creating kids. and you still want to keep creating more. its immoral to domesticate animals. period.

[@batzmaru2010]

I think it is shocking and really sad so many parents are keeping young childeren affraid or making them affraid of everything what is sexual

[@martham6]

@@batzmaru2010 it’s not about being afraid. it’s about protecting your children’s vulnerable brains from harmful content.

[@hetterrum6130]

@@batzmaru2010dude are you kidding me Id rather my parents were that way before I got my hands on some porn which lead to long time addiction to it bro

[@eggman6605]

​@@batzmaru2010 if I wanted to teach my child about self-defence and the value of controlled violence I wouldn't show them slasher films. Same goes for sex and porn.

[@markuskoch1736]

I’ve never seen such a harmonious discussion. Great to watch!

[@musicandcuddles]

Bravo! this topic is very relevant to our society most specially for the younger generation. We need more of this specially Dr. K. Everytime he speaks there is a certain magnet that draws us within.

[@fixienglish]

21:14 When Erika states that the problematic use of pornography is mainly "a guy thing"... Is she really forgetting that for decades the porn industry has focused its entire business on hypersexualising men's 'a la carte' view of sex... at the expense of women (and children)?? Do we really need to see how that pans out the other way round, to know what the outcome is going to be?

[@aleksandrac9335]

Porn didn't broke men. They were already broken

[@punz7777]

Not to mention it came after Dr. K is talking how porn can deplete your dopamine and make you dopamine-resistant (WHICH IS A UNIVERSAL THING FOR EVERY HUMAN BEING). It's just willful misinterpretation to maintain her cognitive dissonance up (and her guilt away).

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

​@@aleksandrac9335Since when? Porn's been around a lot longer than you think.

[@morganstubie]

Wow, I’m not addicted to porn at all. However, I had a career in advertising and marketing and I’m fascinated by modes of obtaining dopamine hits, why, how, how companies are manipulating humans (I used to be part of this problem, though not to the digital disaster that this New Age has manifested. I’m taken aback by the deleterious ways companies have learned to hijack our brains and essentially flick the addiction switch on. Wow!!!! The internet is such a fake reality, inducing false ideology, real over consumption (which spills over into real life, ie shopping, over-eating, sugar addiction, coffee, in-person gambling, alcohol and drugs, maybe gym addiction and body dysmorphia, and the lovely side effects: loneliness, social anxiety, depression, physical pain, and hermit-like tendencies. Wow, what a great interview. 🤓

[@Monkaii]

It's great to see Dr K. back on the show again. Amazing value in these episodes.

[@joniatoms9798]

There is bliss in developing abstinence, celibacy and purity prior to any relationship. Social media, iPhones, videos are all addictive. They make the platforms to be addictive. It’s very destructive.😢

[@jarenfromvenus]

Or get some self control of your addictive personality and learn moderation.

[@youtubing9762]

​​@@jarenfromvenusright, force "be disciplined and punish yourself" down ppl's throats. That's a smart move that leads to behavioural change 😒🥴🥱😑 You seem low on IQ and empathy

[@youcallmejr4683]

​@@jarenfromvenus the self control to be celibate. Fuck porn.

[@TomNook.]

This is truly the battle of modern ages

[@jonathanevans5453]

I'm guessing most people want to get their 'fix' from real people, and quality relationships but it's so hard to find now. In my opinion, so many things are driving us away from this - finding partners on apps, remote working, phone addiction, prn addiction, social media, skewed beauty standards etc etc.. There's a 'loneliness' epidemic for a reason, technology is taking the place of real life. The less I use my phone the better i feel, the more I turn off the computer, go out for walks, read books, spend time learning guitar, exercise, get to know people and participate in group sports the better I feel.

[@alegna208]

Loving the panel for debate! Much more balanced 👍🏼

[@aitan6593]

These comments are brutal. Dr. K is a great communicator, so I’m unsurprised people resonate with him. But everyone added to the conversation. The different perspectives introduced new ideas to the conversation and it seems clear in watching that the discussion was stronger for it. There are a lot more things they seem to agree on than disagree in the end.

[@AllyMoonSea]

I got the same feeling. Watched through the whole thing and honestly all the participants had a valuable perspective to offer. I didn't see anyone not "pulling their weight" in this conversation. It's pretty obvious people seek dopamine-inducing activities for different reasons, and will engage with sex and sexual content from different perspectives and backgrounds. The value is in having open conversations about it and taking what is beneficial to your life and your well-being, while being able to listen to and engage with other people's experiences. I really enjoyed it.

[@DADP90]

Agreed. It feels like the reactions from the comments comes from the introduction of the video being framed as more confrontational. But the conversation as a whole was very insightful. I had a similar bias against Erika to everyone else going into this, but she was very knowledgeable and critical of her own industry, despite the obvious profit motive. The problems with how technology has impacted porn definitely has reached a deeply personal level for many, which I empathize with. But both women offered great points throughout the conversation and shouldn’t warrant this level of hate.

[@nancymcmonarch]

These comments are sus! 🤣 You'd think the guy had his own church. Not impressive, either, that his fanbots are intent on trashing the two women on the panel.

[@Hemlocker]

I agree, the conversation was way more productive and insightful than a lot of these comments suggest. Maybe it's because this topic is naturally going to draw in a lot of frustrated young men.

[@LauraAmanda8888]

I'd love to see Dr K come back to talk about complex PTSD and how it affects lives

[@kikijoyy]

If he has videos about complex PCG on his channel.

[@ninasiwulska8044]

Dr K makes me click on a video as fast as possible

[@uchechi_anyanele]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Amazing conversation! Steven, you did a great job moderating (you're truly skill stacking - having mastered being the attentive host, now becoming a moderator). Well done! And you have to commend all 3 guests for being courageous enough to take the risk of showing up for this convo on a sensitive subject - with zero weirdness to boot. 👏🏽 I see the comments here. You have to admire Dr. K's analysis, lively personality, and use of commendation & agreement to douse or prevent any tension before expressing his views. But the ladies also shared their views from their perspective, and that's okay. It's not about who's right or wrong. It's about realizing there's a fight over being in charge of our impulses, and being willing to talk is a great step in the right direction. Well done Steven & DOAC Team for initiating a healthy debate at a time in society when people find it hard to listen to contrary opinions. That said, I don't believe porn can truly be a force for good - in the long run. Even when you try to trick your brain by saying you view it for so and so "healthy" reason, the negative impact involuntarily creeps in eventually. And no, banning is not the solution either. You know why? Human history shows that banning anything makes people more curious and eager to try it out & figure out ways to beat the system. Remember that convo Steven had with the ex Mafia boss about how government prohibition of alcohol back in the day created fertile ground for the Mafia to become powerful in business. Steven, you made a great point at 1:55:20. Individual self regulation is a primary key. It's an individual choice about standards and a personal "why" for working to live by those standards. Regardless of all the education. Refocus one's thoughts when they pop in. Abstaining from porn as Andrew Huberman recommended on a previous DOAC ep is key. It'll interrupt the entrenching of old neural pathways until the individual no longer feels the desire or need for it. Finally, I agree with Dr. K on the need for emotional and social skills training for kids. But my view is that it's not just needed for kids. We all need ongoing training and reminders as adults. That's why I listen to the recently launched "We Need to Talk" pod with Paul Brunson. ❤

[@alias_Leni]

Wow 🫡 Best comment here ! Well balanced, appreciative of what has been given, respectful to every one involved and mindful of the intentions behind. I agree with everything you said in such an eloquent way. We are constantly learning how to deal with the everchanging world out there. All of us. Let’s appreciate the good intention, the willingness to communicate and to grow each day side by side 🫶🏻

[@uchechi_anyanele]

@@alias_Leni Thank you.🙏🏽

[@kevindanielpg]

Genuine question : If porn is the search for sexual stimulation via video format of another person or people having sex, isn't fair to say that the individual looking for that pornographic content is looking for other self-gratification through other people? I ask the question because although I agree with you that it is partially an individual problem, we run the risk to adjudicate all the responsability to the individual and not take into consideration the environment in which this individual develops, meaning porn or soft porn is not only available but openly accepted and encouraged in the mainstream and non traditional media, aka the internet. Just asking to get your thoughts

[@ahwanpandey]

That was a great interaction! Now we need a round table of some younger people discussing the same topic! Probably would give an insight from their perspective currently growing up in this crazy time.

[@marianne9496]

That’s actually a lovely idea! Get those on the other side of it, who consume it (recreationally), who don’t and who don’t want to anymore to talk about it from their perspective! Young and older!

[@adtc]

They are gonna say "Skibidi" and "yeet"