Exploring Clean and Free Energy

[@psionicbrotha8903]

I feel like I 've been living under a rock after watching these videos.

[@susanaquezada7671]

Siiii. Yo tambien!😊

[@zanewalsh1812]

Almost all of us have been living under the veil of industry, capital, oil and religiosity 🌎🌍🌏🕊️ For us all ✨🌈

[@KristinGasser]

Same! 🙈

[@jessicabosco3009]

Same

[@estebancorral5151]

@@susanaquezada7671si sabes de permacultura entonces ya te distes cuenta que no es mala idea. Con la piedras se hace micro climas para la supervivencia

[@SeekingBeautifulDesign]

Sometimes a concrete example helps when looking at something we're not familiar with. Compressed air tools are everywhere in industry and Geoff mentions compressed air cars. These generally rely on electricity to compress the air unlike the trompe. There's a video on KZbin featuring an Amish (group of people in USA who choose not to use much of the technology available today) store. Their store is powered by compressed air without using electricity at all in the overall process. The video shows the store interior ceiling fans, sewing machine and various woodshop machines powered by compressed air. The compressed air also provides air conditioning. After use, the air expands and is released into the store. Expanding air drops in temperature and so cools the store. The video comes as the only result of searching for the title "AMISH air POWER ~ OFF GRID" (I'm not sure if KZbin allows promotion of other videos/channels in the comments, nor if Geoff would approve). This example is powered by a windmill, but like electricity, compressed generally doesn't mind how you generate it, so a trompe, windmill, gas compressor or electrical compressor could all be choices. Technical section ahead: You can search for "ideal gas law". It is a rule we've developed to understand gas. Generally, temperature and pressure move in opposite directions. Compressed air expanding at the bottom of the trompe becomes cold to make slushy ice. Expanding air out of the shop machines is cool. Strictly speaking, compressed air isn't quite as source agnostic as electricity. Compressed air can carry moisture, and when released you'll get water where you may not want it. A trompe will generally provide a higher moisture level than a mechanical system like a windmill. But as you see in the Amish video, even the windmill produced compressed air needs filters to remove moisture. Compressed air tools (pneumatic) are generally simpler, more powerful, lighter (although a hose is required) than electrical tools, don't overheat, aren't damaged by overloading and don't produce sparks. As well, compressed air can be used for dehydration, bubbling, cleaning and spraying. Comparing round trip efficiency (power in vs power out), compressed air is much less efficient than electricity. However, low cost, simplicity and reliability of the source may be reasons to choose compressed air.

[@miroirdusonge]

Thank you for this explanation. Will definitely Check for the amish Video!

[@davidb9059]

Excellent. Thank you. 😊

[@TheWeedyGarden]

Always interesting joining in on a GL talk 💜👍🙏🏻 Thanks for sharing.

[@exponentialagroforestryini4381]

Fascinating right?

[@andrewandrew5245]

These videos are opening my eyes to what my life could be. Hope to meet you in person one day. Thank you.

[@KhanAndMrPointyEars]

5:29 You get about 12 to 14 psi for every 25 feet of water drop using a trompe. So 30 meters would give about a 55 psi. How much you'd need to freeze water would depend on things like ambient temperature and time exposure.

[@floob247]

Robert Murray-Smith has an excellent video on how to create one of these! Video 1501 Edit: look up hydraulic ram pump!

[@JumpingSpider37]

Just watched this video! He made a great point about it being a fairly simply addition to a rainwater collection system. I imagine you couldn’t get a crazy amount of pressure (probably not enough to power a car like Geoff was saying) but enough for small applications!

[@floob247]

@@JumpingSpider37 Look up hydraulic ram pump! You can build one for $150-200 and they're used to send water uphill. From the videos I saw, 40 psi is about average which is fantastic considered it doesn't use electricity. I assume with a trompe, (which creates air pressure instead of water pressure), it's about the same psi but I could be wrong, but 40 psi is enough to fill up mountain bike and car tires, maybe not a road bike, but hey I'm sure you could find better uses that a simple bike pump can't do.

[@CharlesGann1]

Bill Mollison mentioned this in years gone by. Mennonite cabinet builders in Canada ran their whole shop on compressed air. In the 1990's

[@estebancorral5151]

The second part to that story was that the Mennonites were using windmills to compress air in the tanks. This is less efficient than using a trompe.

[@susanaquezada7671]

Fantastico Geoff😊❤

[@genevievegrondin2378]

Nice ice trick!!! If you want to imagine an other way to make energy by reparing the land, imagine mixing steerling engine with a "Jean Pain" hill. Hope one day it's gona be my turn to show how...

[@KristinGasser]

This is awesome! We defenately will continue learning about this… 🙏🏻

[@Reyajh]

Soo interesting!! Thank you!!!

[@richermorin]

really interesting we could make permaculture fridge

[@TreDogOfficial]

Wow! Always mind blowing listening to this guy! I'm inspired to explore making ice from compressed air from falling water. What did the ancient Romans call this technology?

[@mojavebohemian814]

Thank you

[@MtsHumming]

Part of how i envisioned Nepal choosing small catchments networked along both valley slopes of the river gorge. Over the dangerous massive dams that also flood so much already farmed areas, or have chance of breaking, part electric and other micro hydro doing air pumps with tool shops. Industry. Where hills are you have daily breeze for vertical wind with rising or fall air with temperature. Root cellar cooled extra for chilled storage? Gravity rope ways turned into lifts with machanical drive wheels.

[@ytzbn]

I'd like to know more about those calculations mentioned at the end. Given some amount of water to be made into ice, from some starting temperature, what is the height needed?

[@B30pt87]

Look it up!

[@estebancorral5151]

Charles Taylor the Canadian engineer 0:03 published his tables for compressing air in a trompe. Start there.

[@barnabyvonrudal1]

Any permaculture designs using trompes?

[@estebancorral5151]

Permaculture Design Handbook by Bill Mollison. It was was used to oxigenating water for fish farming.

[@freezkeer]

the possibilities with compressed air. for cooling as well as energy for propultion, etc. i can`t believe this hasn`t been researched, shared and applied more. makes me wonder how it works in nature and inside ourselves. we have secret answers hidden inside ourselves. fascinating.

[@alwayslearning7672]

Because nobody would money out of it. Our capitalist systems hate anything with the word "free" or "clean free energy".

[@freezkeer]

@@alwayslearning7672 that needs to be changed.

[@astonesthrow]

The great pyramid harnessed the Nile this way. It's a giant negative pressure generator

[@Iulian1970]

Really wow!

[@NickThunnda]

Wow!

[@redbarn8481]

30 meters? Can it be done from 20 meters? What about 10 meters?

[@joejoepeace1136]

💚💚💚

[@cedriccbass-jp8ky]

I vote for president Trompe

[@cherrytreepermaculture756]

Anyone have an example of a trompe that's been built in the last 50 years?

[@DJ-uk5mm]

Trompe ….nice idea. So please show a practical example of a working model

[@estebancorral5151]

You tube videos on the Ragged Chutes trompe of Cobalt, Ontario mine. Charles Taylor was the engineer.

[@joebobjenkins7837]

I can think of about 100 reasons I wouldnt do this, and none of them because I dont want to. This sounds awesome but it dont I need a river? How do I get 30m down? What about maitenance? If I have a low water table how does that work? Im 100% on board but Im clueless as to how to get one and how it would work from a practical stance.

[@ottoflouer1750]

Start looking it up? You're full of negativity for absolutely no reason this isn't some new technology that Geoff is theorizing on, educate yourself instead of insisting there's 100 things wrong with something you can't even understand.

[@joebobjenkins7837]

@@ottoflouer1750 not negative, I want one. But if you think I can just google a 30m trompe system you are sorely mistaken. Its obviously not easy or even practical. If youll notice, Geoff aint running his cars off trompe powered air. Its all, we could,we could. Okay, Im on board, how do I get started? Just build an aqueduct, super easy, right? Wrong, if it were super easy these would be everywhere. Im ok with the idea that we could start heading in that direction but its pie in the sky right now.

[@KhanAndMrPointyEars]

They are built underground. The water flows down and then comes back up in a return pipe. The air is collected in a dome underground which has a pipe to the surface in the CAES. Don't need a river, could have a swale or other water catchment as a water source.

[@dungeonmaster6292]

no...the trompe pipe dream is just that. At best what the overwhelming majority of landowners could accomplish is enough compressed air to run an air-lift pump for one of those organic pools, which would be nice anyway. But cars and such? Not for the typical landowner.

[@juliancasandre2286]

Europe quality talk, not rubish about how to save planet and raised beds.

[@ottoflouer1750]

???

[@AllSectorsHearThis]

I was told you get 11 psi for each 100ft. The compressed air car uses over 4000psi. Wouldn't it take thousands if feet or can the tromp build up the pressure? Would you be cryogenic frozen if you got in an accident in a compressed air vehicle? Could you drill trombs deep in the earth to create head in flat delta areas?

[@CharlesGann1]

Think you. Need to do more research....the truth is out there but you have to dig a bit more for it

[@AllSectorsHearThis]

@@CharlesGann1 If you know the truth, please enlighten me.

[@estebancorral5151]

No, you would not. Look up the purpose of a converging nozzle.

[@AllSectorsHearThis]

​@estebancorral5151 You mean this nozzle prevents freezing?

[@estebancorral5151]

@@AllSectorsHearThis a nozzle regulates pressure which may indirectly regulate freezing. Normally, it is the release of high pressure gas with the surrounding moisture that cause freezing. Fluid Dynamics is the science which were are engaging. It is a subset of Physics. You have misconstrued much and know enough to be dangerous. For your own personal edification you should familiarize yourself with two giants in their field. Giovanni Batista Venturi and Daniel Bernoulli. If people told you everything you want to know that would deny you the pleasure of discovering things on your own.

[@anniegaddis5240]

Just like under the pyramids!

[@tms1624]

3bar isn't going to get that car out the driveway.

[@stmartin17773]

Think of the waste of all the idiotic cabinet/ministries and common treasure expended for overclass/rulingclass hobbies/self-preservation - think of what that capital would do for the common good safeguarded with Geoff et al in charge of national inherited natural wealth.

[@WarrenRCG]

I thought compressing anything created heat.

[@quiksilver1j]

Think about puncturing a hole in can of compressed air ...yes compressing air creates heat but once that heat dissipates.. Its the basics of how the ac works in your home or car.look up vapor compression heat cycle

[@christophergruenwald5054]

Yes compressing air creates heat, releasing the gas cools it back down. Energy can not be created or destroyed, just converted.

[@Gaalendel]

Probably only during the fall, but then it would mean the water get hot, then the air is trap and when it's released the cooling happen? I am not sure how it works, it's interesting, I will have a look at the details. The best stuff is on this channel.

[@bryanbradford2742]

Compressed air bubbles in a tromp system are isothermicly cooled in the water system, rise up to the top of the storage tank area and are stored for later use. When the compressed air is decompressed, it is cooled. Same thing happens when you drain an air compressor tank.

[@madmonkeybiking]

pump up bike tyres and pump gets hot!

[@gav6251]

😑 Promo`SM

[@dominic6055]

I don't see any logic, all this requires big startups costs in $ and in fossil fuels and I don't see it as giving much net energy back

[@davidprocter3578]

London used to be run on compressed water, of course I should say pressurised water as water cannot be compressed.The Devon and Cornwall coastal railway was powered by vacuum. And the gas light company developed gas powered radios, smoothing irons and no end of useful household appliances. But all these things had flaws,practicality and cost often being the greatest, cumbersome, smelly, ugly you name the reason but they all fell by the wayside. Sorry to say it Geoff but your idea more than a little fanciful far too much of the earths surface does not receive sufficient precipitation to even begin to make this viable, those areas that do would need to convert their entire surface to generation to supply those areas that don't then there is the cost of installing and maintaining infrastructure on a global scale, Stick to the gardening Geoff you are really good at it. I love following your endeavors in Jordan and Aus they are most worthy, sorry to be so patronizing mate but really you do come out with some guff.

[@estebancorral5151]

Are you just parrot repeating what you heard? How was the vacuum created? How were leaks prevented?

[@davidprocter3578]

@@estebancorral5151 Don't be daft man you can check all this out for yourself. I assume you are referring to the vacuum powered train. This was done with a pipe centrally fixed below and between the tracks the top of the pipe was slotted and two flaps provided the seal, as the seal was not that good steam powered vacuum pumps were positioned at regular intervals along the track, I am informed that this system worked better than one might imagine but was prone to wear and in need of regular repair. If memory serves a section of track was washed away by giant waves in a storm and was rebuilt as standard track and railstock. Take a search and you will find better info than I can provide. My point being that running the world on compressed air not without serious issues, like communism it can work on the small scale but once scaled up the flaws start to appear.

[@estebancorral5151]

You have confirmed that you were parrot repeating what you heard. You flunked in your explanation, and exposed the foible of your inner nature.

[@davidprocter3578]

@@estebancorral5151 you are a robot programed to find fault where there is none, the only inner nature exposed is your own rather pathetic and cretinous soul,go.take a long walk off a short pier/ That is if you are capable of putting one foot in front of the other. I have seen the remnants of the oddities I speak of with my own eyes if you doubt them you have but to investigate yourself, but of course you are quite unable to do this due to being lost in your own sad little prejudice, now do as your mummy tells you and get off to bed.

[@auroraaustralis5470]

😎💞🙏recovering grateful teacher 🧞‍♂️🖖