Exploring Reactivity: Fine-Grained Derivation & Incremental Computation

In this stream I'm going to talk about my latest thinking on the nature of Reactivity by exploring one of the most challenging topics, Derivations and Incremental Computation
[0:00] Starting Soon...
[2:00] Preamble
[5:45] Discussion of Twitter Hack
[22:00] Twitter Stream Suggestions: JS Framework Fanfic
[31:00] TSS: Toy Solid & Nitro on Various Hosts
[36:45] TSS: Finding Fine-Grained Reactive Programming
[41:45] TSS: Minko Gechev - Converging Web Frameworks
[56:00] TSS: MG - Event Replay & Fine-Grained Code Loading
[1:11:30] TSS: Comparing Frameworks by NPM Trends
[1:18:15] TSS: Solid Real World Demo
[1:22:15] TSS: Neo.js's New DOM Diffing Algorithm
[1:28:00] TSS: Automatic vs. Manual Subscriptions
[1:36:00] TSS: Svelte's DSL, Remix's Routing, & Compilers
[1:47:00] TSS: Effects, createRoot, & Memory Leaks
[1:53:45] Run-Once Suspense: Concept & Proposal
[2:05:30] ROS: Examples - Two Modes on Initial Render
[2:09:15] ROS: Examples - Two Modes on Update
[2:22:30] ROS: Examples - Simple Routing
[2:28:45] ROS: Examples - Advanced Routing & Conclusion
[2:35:30] Q&A: async vs. memo? Lazy? Intro Material?
[2:40:30] Q&A: Optimistic? .state? Render Nothing?
[2:54:00] Q&A: createResource? Solid 2.0? Router Cache?
[3:06:30] Living in a Derived World: Introduction
[3:15:45] LiaDW: Deriving Stores
[3:30:15] LiaDW: The Nature of Reference Based Derivation
[3:37:45] Lazy + Derived Fine Grained is Hard
[3:50:00] L+DFGiH: Local Diffing
[3:56:45] L+DFGiH: Broadcast Diffing (Signia)
[4:11:00] L+DFGiH: Single Primitive?
[4:19:15] L+DFGiH: Conclusion
[4:29:15] Consistency Revisited
[4:39:45] This Week in JavaScript: Brenelz's Suspense Post
[4:42:00] TWiJ: Theo's Framework Happiness Video
[4:43:15] TWiJ: Solid News
[4:47:15] TWiJ: New Front-End Frameworks
[4:53:45] TWiJ: Tanner Linsley's Explorations
[4:56:15] TWiJ: Matthew Phillips - Component Composition
[4:59:00] TWiJ: Tracy Lee - DOM Observables
Thanks to @zombiefacesupreme for the timestamps.

[@zombiefacesupreme]

[0:00] Starting Soon... [2:00] Preamble [5:45] Discussion of Twitter Hack [22:00] Twitter Stream Suggestions: JS Framework Fanfic [31:00] TSS: Toy Solid & Nitro on Various Hosts [36:45] TSS: Finding Fine-Grained Reactive Programming [41:45] TSS: Minko Gechev - Converging Web Frameworks [56:00] TSS: MG - Event Replay & Fine-Grained Code Loading [1:11:30] TSS: Comparing Frameworks by NPM Trends [1:18:15] TSS: Solid Real World Demo [1:22:15] TSS: Neo.js's New DOM Diffing Algorithm [1:28:00] TSS: Automatic vs. Manual Subscriptions [1:36:00] TSS: Svelte's DSL, Remix's Routing, & Compilers [1:47:00] TSS: Effects, createRoot, & Memory Leaks [1:53:45] Run-Once Suspense: Concept & Proposal [2:05:30] ROS: Examples - Two Modes on Initial Render [2:09:15] ROS: Examples - Two Modes on Update [2:22:30] ROS: Examples - Simple Routing [2:28:45] ROS: Examples - Advanced Routing & Conclusion [2:35:30] Q&A: async vs. memo? Lazy? Intro Material? [2:40:30] Q&A: Optimistic? .state? Render Nothing? [2:54:00] Q&A: createResource? Solid 2.0? Router Cache? [3:06:30] Living in a Derived World: Introduction [3:15:45] LiaDW: Deriving Stores [3:30:15] LiaDW: The Nature of Reference Based Derivation [3:37:45] Lazy + Derived Fine Grained is Hard [3:50:00] L+DFGiH: Local Diffing [3:56:45] L+DFGiH: Broadcast Diffing (Signia) [4:11:00] L+DFGiH: Single Primitive? [4:19:15] L+DFGiH: Conclusion [4:29:15] Consistency Revisited [4:39:45] This Week in JavaScript: Brenelz's Suspense Post [4:42:00] TWiJ: Theo's Framework Happiness Video [4:43:15] TWiJ: Solid News [4:47:15] TWiJ: New Front-End Frameworks [4:53:45] TWiJ: Tanner Linsley's Explorations [4:56:15] TWiJ: Matthew Phillips - Component Composition [4:59:00] TWiJ: Tracy Lee - DOM Observables

[@RyanTipps]

THANK YOU

[@antonmak1]

Interesting stream. I didn't think you were broadcasting.

[@zomakaja]

When you were describing "living in a derived world" it started to rhyme with "Operation Based CRDTs"

[@madaxen86]

What would be really helpful for stores would be a deepDiff helper. I had once the use case to connect to a cms via a websocket to create a live preview of the content which was changed in an editor. They have a lib with a helper function which provides the updated data which is a deeply nested array. As I didn’t want to create a diff function myself I just opted out of granular updates and used a signal instead of a store. I'd really wished there was a helper to say like "hey store, here's the new data, diff it and update…"

[@ryansolid]

@@madaxen86 We have one. It's called `reconcile`

[@devagr]

43:13 literally calling me out across space and time wtf