Exploring the Quintaglio Ascension Trilogy

[@DinoDiego16]

Edit: Yo, a subreddit about the Quintaglio Ascension Trilogy was made. If you're interested in it, check it out here: www.reddit.com/r/Quintaglioascension/ Thank you all for your patience. This was something that's been in the works for a while now and I'm really excited to finally show it to you guys! If you want to check out the books for yourselves, links to them are all in the description. And as always, thank you all for your continuous support and for getting me to 36K subscribers!

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

I'd love to see your thoughts on the Destroyermen series.

[@Beedo_Sookcool]

Have you read another of Sawyer's dinosaur-themed books, "End of an Era"? Fun one-off that involves time travellers going back to the Late Cretaceous.

[@DinoDiego16]

I haven't read it yet, but I did run into it multiple times while researching for this video and after reading the synopsis on it, I'm hooked! I definitely need to check it out one of these days.

[@Eidolon1andOnly]

@@DinoDiego16 Edit: Guess you were talking to the other person, not me. All the Destroyermen books are a fun read, and mostly self contained. Without spoiling for others, there's some pretty interesting descriptions of how dinosaurs or similar creatures (and not so similar creatures) might have evolve if the asteroid which caused their extinction never hit Earth, as well as what Earth itself may look like if that even never happened but other factors such as continental drift still did. The naval/nautical/military jargon can be a bit tedious or confusing, and my biggest complaint is in a *fifteen* book series, especially if you binge it like I did, there's literall paragraphs from earlier books lazily copied and pasted in later books. Like straight up word for word paragraphs inserted into scenes just to pad out the page/chapter/word count I guess. For the most part however, things are a bit more easier to understand plotwise, and the world building is amazing. To be fair, regardless of minimal but albeit copied and pasted paragraphs, there's a lot (such as any enemy perspective) that you could easily skip, and still keep up with the plot and story, which can save a lot of time. Author's Notes sections at the back of the book also help understanding some things since the entire story is told through a lens of people from the late1930s/early 1940s, so what seems like outdated info regarding paleontology is actually deliberate since it's not as if people from that era would have the most up to date info. Side Note: You could easily devote a series with reviews of each individual book just based off flaura and fauna descriptions alone to each book. They'd be shorter videos, but with each book a little more gets learned about the greater world these characters inhabit, and most times it's not even plot relevant, just interesting. Happy reading.

[@jeremysmith4620]

This is me letting you know how much I loved the longer format!

[@MintySweetea]

The adult culling event is so weird when you think about it. Like, imagine eight near-naked humans being chased around a coliseum by a particularly large and very angry chimpanzee in order for one of them to claim the throne. This book is incredibly interesting and I definitely need to read it one day. Thank you Diego for introducing it to me! :D

[@DinoDiego16]

That's an interesting and terrifying comparison XD. Reminds me of King Kong. I'm glad you enjoyed the video!

[@yusufferguson3138]

Sounds like something the Greeks/ Romans would have tried

[@stoyanb.1668]

They were essentially practicing a crude form of eugenics. To their detriment

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Regarding your confusion of Dagamant moment in the third book. The priest chases the babies around the room till there's only one, this determines the "strength" of the baby, a very scary experience. Turoka was quick and painless so to speak so the remaining hatchling didn't personally go through a traumatic experience.

[@vultar9999]

There's a biological component going on too. Quintaglios are accidentally selecting for aggressiveness through the use of the bloodpriests since only the fastest and strongest strongest survives. It seems the Others don't practice culling (or at least not active culling). Dagamant is both a response brought on by trauma (culling) and something Quintaglios are naturally prone to because of the types of traits the culling selects for. Taksan doesn't respond in the same way because, although, he went through a culling, he doesn't have the genetics driving an overreaction.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

@@vultar9999 That is also very likely.

[@krthecarguy5150]

I just started this video what kind of drug trip is this

[@rafibausk7071]

On top of that the "Other" hatchlings didn't actually see the culling. It specifies that their eyes were not yet open at the time. Quintoglio eyes open after about a day. The "Others" we're only a couple of day tents old. So their eyes weren't open yet. In a sense because they were so young they were actually spared the effects. The timestamp in the audiobook is chapter 18 time 03:43

[@keegan112099]

​@@vultar9999would you say in a way the blood preists are regressing their species back to their primitive dinosaur roots?

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I actually have this trilogy autographed on my shelf! My mother ordered them for me for my birthday and Robert J. Sawyer autographed them personally with a short birthday message in each one! I am so appreciative of him taking the time to add that personal touch to what are some of my favorite books!

[@f.u.m.o.5669]

Great guy

[@Alanas125]

Looks like you have a cool mom

[@johnchao2422]

WOW WHAT A FLEX

[@dodoxasaurus6904]

whats the message say?

[@GarryDKing]

it's incredibly amusing to me to learn that this sentient species of space tyrannosaurs, who live in a renaissance era, only recently discovered punching each other in the 2nd book; I imagine they'd consider boxing the same way many people see karate and kung fu: very exotic fighting styles.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Now just wait until they figure out how to kick, maybe like kangaroos by balancing with their tails lol

[@primrosevale1995]

The only real change that I would personally make is to have the Quintaglios as three-fingered creatures instead of five-fingered. Tyrannosaurus itself has been found with a vestigial third metacarpal bone so it wouldn't be too much of a change for the Jijaki to re-engineer a third finger. That way they become more dinosaur-like while not being too human in their anatomy.

[@loroleibusser5993]

especially since it is much less likely for a feature to reevolve that has previously been lost

[@Kenichi2002]

@@loroleibusser5993 The Quintaglios where geneticly engineerd. so the 5 fingers are ok i think ^^

[@adamkaris]

Wouldn't the "quint" in the name be kind of weird then without the "5" fingers?

[@AnnoyingNewslettersPage6]

@@adamkaris but the five original hunters and their five original mates. That, or if the number of original hunters is based on the number of fingers, they could have a different numerical name. 🙂

[@jaerod1987]

Iirc it was explained that the Jijaki specifically gave them 5 fingers because that was as close to 6 that they could engineer, being that 6 digits to them (because they had 6) was the best number to have

[@thenerdbeast7375]

Taksan doesn't have territoriality because he was not yet cognizant, his eyes not yet properly able to focus and witness his siblings' deaths. There is a big difference between quietly eating two of the hatchlings before they can even properly be aware of their environment and what the Blood Priests do of dramatically chasing the fully aware young around the nesting room to pick off the weakest. Also it is possible the Others don't have as strong territoriality instincts naturally, as though Toroca doesn't have any territoriality, it is implied one of his siblings, the one that was a murderer did have a Dagamant instinct.

[@Overlord99762]

Holy shit, I encourage you to continue covering dinosaur related novels please, this long form content is what I consume a lot, and your way of presenting is great

[@thegreatbaitster]

Read the trilogy in middle school and have loved it ever since. Surprising no one else has covered this yet, but glad it was you who ended up taking the reins.

[@LaikaLycanthrope]

Glad you liked it! I figured you'd like it as much as I did. IIRC, they don't just spread out, but their streets and corridors are also curved; they don't build in straight lines. This keeps people out of sight for the most part.

[@hagfish4998]

A critically underrated trilogy. I knew about this trilogy for quite a while and I'm happy that you're giving it some spotlight.

[@deviltown13]

I don't know why but the idea of the Quintaglio's attacking the Others instantly drives some kind of fear in me. Meeting a new species, and having that uncontrollable response to attack and kill and maim instantly? Dagamant in general already set some kind of fear in me, but that specific instance of it is just so blood-chilling.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Guys like me would definitely be in the Quintaglios shoes if the first aliens we meet look exactly like giant spiders.

[@keenumman1]

​@@dalekrenegade2596 Yeah im with you on that one. Big bug gotta go squish.

[@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653]

@@keenumman1 Imagine a big spider going "We came in peace and-BLERH!" And got stabbed, shooted and killed on sigth lol.

[@keenumman1]

@@eldarhighelfhealermiriella7653 Bring out...... the BIG boot

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

common thing that seems to happen in sci fi based around these sorts of things

[@axeluchiha5831]

At first I was like "this is going to probably be one of those videos I shut off after 10 mins." WELL 2 more repeats of listening to it and I can safely say I'm happy I gave it the full chance. Sounds awesome.

[@PaleoAnalysis]

Holy crap! After a long hiatus you drop an hour and 41 minute video! And of course I'm at work and my headphones just died... I'll have to watch later.

[@DinoDiego16]

My brain tired😂

[@Appleboxman]

Supposedly Don Bluth was going to make an animated adaptation of these books, but it was cancelled when Titan AE flopped.

[@DinoDiego16]

Damn, thats crazy that I didn't run into that! Honestly, animation wouldn't be a bad route to take this series in terms of a film adaptation. It definitely would be interesting.

[@hagfish4998]

That would've be freaking amazing

[@dalekrenegade2596]

You have a legitimate source for this claim?

[@Appleboxman]

@@dalekrenegade2596 Nothing outside of wikis and tvtropes, which is why I said "supposedly"

[@DinoDiego16]

Yeah, this is definitely a weird piece of info. Did a little digging and nothing seems to be completely confirmed. Someone on reddit claimed that they asked Sawyer himself about the animated film adaptation and apparently Sawyer knew nothing about it. Might have to ask him myself to confirm.

[@FaeFemboi]

So much about this series was absolutely MINDBLOWING and I commend Mr Sawyer for his extreme talent in writing. Amazing and inspiring story. Thank you for making it extremely accessible for us, Dino Diego!

[@DinoDiego16]

Gotta give the lesser known things some love too! And I agree, Sawyer is a great writer.

[@MrNetWraith]

It's been over 20 years since I read Fossil Hunter, so take it with a grain of salt, but as I remember it, Dagamant and the Culling are connected indirectly, not directly. It's not that the Cull itself causes the Dagamant, but rather that an unintentional side-effect of this eugenics program has been to indirectly select for susceptibility to Dagamant as a positive trait; as the most antisocial hatchling clutch tends to be the only one to survive, subsequent generations have grown increasingly antisocial, to the current point where Dagamant is such a major issue. This is touched upon in Dybo's story in Fossil Hunter, where the Bloodpriest who oversaw his hatching admits that they placed the least aggressive hatchling on the Imperial Throne, because the last couple of Emperors, especially Dybo's mother, were aggressive to the point of being insane.

[@DinoDiego16]

This is an interesting way of looking at it and it could be possible that maybe I misinterpreted the connection between the culling and dagamant. Appreciate the comment!

[@jelly434]

. . . That would be direct.

[@6KIWIDino5]

Which is why Daibo was succeful

[@gutza1782]

This series has a vaguely similar premise to one of my own story projects, Paravian, which explores a world where a race of sapient dromaeosaurs evolved on Earth 66 million years ago and developed their own civilization. I came up with this idea independently but stumbled upon the Quintaglio Ascension Trilogy when trying to do research on existing works about sapient dinosaurs. Thanks for this video.

[@piglin469]

So what is the plot

[@furiouskaiser9914]

Read these books as a kid. Always loved me some books with dinosaurs and dragons and whatnot. Thanks for this video, brought back some good memories.

[@DinoDiego16]

My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it

[@plucas1]

Sounds similar to John Brunner's CRUCIBLE OF TIME from 1983, another novel about an alien race spending centuries climbing the tech tree trying to escape the coming destruction of their homeworld, in this case from their star system passing through a vast cloud of interstellar debris.

[@Pharren88]

Really happy to see this trilogy covered. I read this trilogy a long time ago and always remember it fondly. Sawyer is a great author with a wonderful interest in dinosaurs.

[@chubibi06]

That trilogy seems kinda cool tbh, i might check it out Too bad there's no movie adaptation in the making, tho. Thanks for the video and the discovery, Diego ! The time and effort you spend on the content you share with us is quite appreciated

[@charlottemarsh2202]

Hollyweird would some how make it all about the alphabet community, race and woke nonsense anyway so, don't hope to hard. Bet they'd even find an excuse for some drag queen dinos... Oh yeah. 🤮🤮

[@lucasnofsinger7608]

Fell asleep and woke up to this video at like 7:30 and I was fully believing that there were dinosaurs called Quintaglios that could use tools, speak, and establish societies for like a solid five minutes, that was crazy

[@frilliflove2424]

THIS IS LITERALLY MY FAVOURITE BOOK TRILOGY EVER I REALLY wish more people checked them out and ignored the questionable book covers

[@trustypatches4042]

Tbh those covers look great imo. There's just something about 80s-90s cover art. The cover for that short story compilation, however, is aggressively Canadian.

[@echoecho3155]

The philosopher John Michael Greer suggested that we today have an almost universally-accepted religion that worships a god known as Progress. One of his many lines of evidence for this was the presence of "ritual dramas" in modern culture that, with the right eye, are almost as predictable as a Christmas pageant in terms of characters, events, and themes. They can be historical or entirely fictional. A typical ritual drama in the veneration of Progress has these typical elements: the rationalist, scientific, and inquisitive hero who discovers the way the world truly is or invents some new and great device (and typically shares the author's own moral, scientific, and religious or nonreligious values), the stubborn, regressive, and often religious establishment that persecutes the hero, the conflict from that, and the hero finally emerging triumphant (sometimes posthumously) over the establishment. I'd suggest keeping this in mind while listening to this story. It raises an interestinf question: can even rationalists have religious fiction? If so, I think this is a prime example.

[@YOOTOOBjase]

I like this idea. I do feel like one point you made is a little off, about the drama of the scientist being oppressed by religion before success; I think this is a drama because it happened so often, and we value what we have now, so we celebrate the push towards scientific inquiry. We also do recognise there must be danger, which is why we have media where technology ruins everything, even though that hasn't happened.

[@echoecho3155]

@@YOOTOOBjase You may be on to something, though I think the reason we see the idea of the scientist (particularly the lone scientist) vs. religion as "true" is precisely because the ritual drama reinforces it. People often forget that Isaac Newton was an extremely devout alchemist who was far more interested in spiritual pursuits than physical. Kopernicus made a living casting horoscopes. Even Darwin's seminal discovery was founded on the work of religious forebears, with Mendel's discovery of heritability being a major contribution to proving evolution. Their conflicts with the institutions of the day weren't really a hard religious position against a new scientific one, but rather an established position believed to be proven against a new, unproven one - often seen as equally religious by religious discoverers. The established knowledge, in this case religion, was far from the ignorant caricature often put forth in the dramas. It worked with the best knowledge available, and only persisted because it worked. Geocentrism was popular not because "God said so" (that was often a justification but never the only one), but because most observations lined up with that and they had formulas and models that explained the behavior of the universe in a predictable manner. Sometimes this gets handwaved, but it shows that the ritual drama is highly inaccurate in its depictions of these conflicts. A similar warping can be seen in stories such as the acceptance of plate tectonics, the nature of evolution, or whether the universe is a "steady state" or had a beginning. It's almost always the one correct person versus a bunch of ignorant fools who are too stubborn to see the light. The truth is far more complicated, and far less indicative of a linear progression of knowledge. As for the dangers of technology, Greer believes it's more of an anti-religion to Progress. Since Progress believes we're on an unending and inevitable march to the stars and technology will save us, its anti-religion believes we're minutes from extinction and technology will doom us. Curiously, both believe in mankind's supremacy over nature, with Progress showing us as powerful enough to dominate the stars themselves, and its anti-religion believing us as powerful enough to completely destroy everything we hold dear.

[@NodDisciple1]

@@echoecho3155 *Cue Farnsworth doing occult "Science" Rituals in Futurama or the Tech-Priests of Warhammer 40K or Comstar/Word of Blake in Battletech.* Because science can't be questioned. Even though the things we know now were based on questioning prior beliefs. Including Scientific Ones (Ex: Einstein toppling the supremacy of Newtonian Physics with the Theory of Relativity).

[@YOOTOOBjase]

@@echoecho3155 that was a far more insightful reply than I deserved, thank you. You've really made me consider the idea of old science v religion, where it could have been new ideas v established ideas, and those in power didn't like it. Makes me wonder what ideas were floating around being correct and weren't considered so until much much later

[@echoecho3155]

@@YOOTOOBjase It is pretty enlightening when you look at the history of ideas and realize how things are much less revolutionary and much more gradual. Again, Darwin's one of the best examples. A lot of people have this vision of his famous Origin of the Species being a singular work published after a flash of insight. In reality, it was not only the result of his own studies, but also the works of Richard Owen (who established the relationship between ancient species and extant ones), John Gould (who linked species as being adapted to specific environments - in the Galapogos Islands, no less!), and even Goethe (who established homeology in modern science - something known since Aristotle) and Malthus (whose theories on competition influenced the idea of Darwinism). It's really interesting as well when you find out that much of the initial push against Origin of the Species was as scientific as it was religious. At the time, the best geologic estimates of the Earth's age were around 100 million years, and people seriously doubted the capacity of adaptation to result in the necessary changes. Even after evolution became accepted, it was not the theory we have today - most scientists saw it as progressive, goal-oriented, and occurred in radical jumps. Heck, we're still figuring out the full mechanics of evolution even today. Hence why it's a theory - the best model we have. Not only does this view make me wonder how many correct ideas simply didn't get accepted until recently, but also how many ideas we accept as proven without a doubt are wrong.

[@Sauron_the_Alien]

Awesome video! Robert Sawyer is truely underrated writer and i wish his books get more antetion.

[@gyrrakavian]

Interestingly enough, it's recently been hypothesized that _Tyrannosaurus rex_ may have in fact had intelligence on par with baboons.

[@dreamincolor6758]

never thought i'd be watching a almost two hour long vid abt sentient dinosaurs yet here i am. loved it.

[@Sue_Me_Too]

I read Far-Seer as a kid, didn't know it was a trilogy.

[@ohlawdy6855]

damn this is fascinating, I sorely wish I could put this sort of attention to something relevant to making a living instead of a 30 year old renaissance dinosaurs book I never heard of until an hour ago

[@SirGrimLockSmithVIII]

It seems like the murder mystery part of Fossil Hunter did highlight a rather depressing aspect of Quintaglios culture, if anything. Even though Abzan is portrayed as a more conflicted and humanitarian Quintaglios, even he is cold and unfeeling towards his own children due to the simple fact that he never raised them or bonded with them. That conversation he has with the sibling murderer is particularly chilling and is something I wouldn't expect from this type of story.

[@samanthaspino]

Afsan did raise his kids tho? Toroka mentions that all of them were tutored and taken care of by Afsan

[@athena2158]

please do more long form content like this, i love listening to them while im drawing

[@Jiggy...]

So few dino fans know of these books. They're great!

[@ralex1907]

Sometimes I am amazed by KZbin's recommendations, because the fact that I even started the video involved me in the process, and then I decided to read all three books. At first I thought that I would not like it and I would drop it very soon, but I did not drop it, I liked it) I am writing this comment right after reading the third book, and I want to say. Thanks man! It was a very interesting story, sometimes interesting, sometimes funny, sometimes boring, and sometimes shocking!!... Yeah ... But I am very grateful for this experience. Thank you again for making my whole last month a little more interesting!)

[@justdamon25]

You should do a video on Dino Synth. Its a musical sub genre of Dungeon Synth. My three favorite artists are Diplodocus, Synthosaurus, and Archosaur, but there are more XD.

[@viraltang]

Never before have needed something I something I didn't know existed. Thank you!

[@justdamon25]

@@viraltang your welcome!

[@RabidicusNollis]

Awh man I'd completely forgotten about this series, I remember owning all three on kindle. While watching this I decided to do some quick math with kilodays and eostrus cycles of females(with four being the average and one happening once every quintaglios year), and if my math is even in the ballpark? A quintaglios on average lives roughly 2 to 300 years, earth time. Damn. I also distinctly remember at one point in the third book, in the monitor broadcast room one of the screens briefly showcases a being that resembles a "terrorclaw" re: raptor in a field of grass, holding a spear, which I remember at the time thinking was a planet perhaps where troodon were seeded by the Watcher. Was a very fun series I'd love to see continuations of!

[@dalekrenegade2596]

You did an awesome job going over this series and bringing it out to a new generation. It makes me more excited for other series for you to over in the future. Speaking of which I mentioned before about the Stephan Baxter's Mammoth series. I found there are copies of reasonable prices on Amazon and Thrift books, thought I let you know.

[@DinoDiego16]

I'm glad you enjoyed the video and I did look into the Mammoth series you suggested a little while back ago. Looks very interesting! I'll definitely keep it in mind.

[@skinkhunt6525]

I see very little attention given to this underrated trilogy. I'm glad to see that is changing.

[@cdndragontamer7162]

I love this series, reading it as a kid! It is a favourite of mine. Thank you for this video! Hopefully it will help spread the word of this series.

[@KrazyKaiser]

"Dasheder" is a really good name for a ship, seafaring or space faring.

[@thisisbetterthanmyprevious6674]

Why did my brain immediately interpret ‘ship’ as a romantic ship between two characters 💀

[@joshuahebert7972]

Barry B Longyear wrote a couple short stories that actually strongly remind me of this series, back in the 80s. I forget the titles of the stories, but they appear in the short story compilation "It came from Schenectady."

[@Rosabel_Believe]

Thanks for making this. I would never read these books but I really enjoyed absorbing the story second hand. Great work

[@Beedo_Sookcool]

Excellent video! Thank you! I LOVE this trilogy. Seeing a dinosaur with a telescope on a book cover in Walden Books back in the early 1990s was my intro to Sawyer's writing, and I've been a huge fan, ever since! Corresponded with him quite a bit via e-mail an on Facebook, since then. Really nice guy. Hope to meet him, someday. When the World Wide Web was still young, I had a GeoCities page with a section dedicated to my fan art of Sawyer's characters, beasts, and artefacts, as well as a "casting call" for the QA Trilogy. (I swear I'm not the one who fudged the wiki pages.) One of my favourite extrapolations was evolving the fangjaw from Baryonyx, since at the time, it was considered to be a Theropod that could go quarupedal at will, and had crocodilian jaws anyway (and crocodiles have upward-jutting "tusks" in their bottom jaw). Attracted a couple other fans who asked me to post their art (with credits of course), as well. Fun times.

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Nowadays, the fangjaw would likely be related to kaprosuchus.

[@ssshaihulud]

Holy crap, Beedo! I found your fan page as a young lad looking for QAT fanart, and it inadvertently served as my gateway to the Star Wars expanded universe! It's crazy to see you here! If you ever wonder if your creative output has ever made any lasting impact, just know that it absolutely has! Damn, man, this is just so cool to stumble on you here!

[@Beedo_Sookcool]

@ssshaihulud Holy salted crap on a stick, mate, I can't tell you how much your comment cheered me up! I really, REALLY needed that! Haven't done much on my own since GeoCities shut down its free hosting (and therefore my website). Mostly just kicking about the collector sites, forums and social media, being snarky under my real name. Been posting some custom action figures and such over on the Rebelscum forums, occasionally. Also did some stuff for creaturecantina, notably the Action Figures & Their Beers series and voicing some cartoons on YT for TresobYr. But cripes, mate, thank you so VERY much for your kind words. Really needed to hear those. Thank you.

[@ssshaihulud]

@Beedo_Sookcool hey, glad to provide a boost when needed! Trust me, my friend, the feeling is mutual - it made my day to see one of my boyhood guides to the wide world of geekdom out in the wild on KZbin. Dude, I still remember so much of your site. Not only was it hugely special to me to find somebody creating images from a series that was so important to me (and that even then I knew was relatively obscure), but for a kid obsessed with imaginary creatures of all kinds, your Star Wars content was captivating. I grew up reading my dad's first edition AD&D manuals, so learning that Star Wars had tabletop content blew my mind as a kid. I forget - either you had linked to some material for one of the Star Wars pen and paper RPGs, or I found it through searching some of species of the characters from your campaigns (still remember your Amanamani bounty hunter, the verpine character, and of course Beedo himself - hell, it was YOUR site where I learned what a Rodian was!), but it was through your site that I found a compendium of playable sentient species for the Star Wars tabletop rpg, and that was literally my introduction to the Star Wars Expanded universe. It is truly an honour to get the chance to let you know how much your creativity has meant to me and influenced my interest and appreciation for fantasy and sci-fi. Much love from Ontario, Canada!

[@rga1605]

This was an interesting video, never heard of this book series, but I feel it was an ancestor of seeding planets speculative biology. The part on psychoanalysis, there's a theory called psychohistory that combines psychoanalysis with history, I wonder Sawyer drew on that (also I say this because it's not considered a good theory of history, according to a friend who's a historian, plus Freudian psychoanalysis is considered outdated from what I know).

[@douggaudiosi14]

Can u explain what the theory of psychohistory entails? Like what does the theory involve? Becuz just saying combines psychology and history doesn't make sense

[@zeldareid248]

I initially wasn't terribly interested, in the discussion on the books. But I found an alternative reason to appreciate this video, and the effort behind it. Diego's voice. It's soothing, consistent, and has that certain meandering quality that reminds me of my dear Petra. I was almost surprised, when the end of the video hit, it's just that soothing.

[@Jacobis90]

This is now the greatest dinosaur channel of all time

[@Terestrasz]

While I'm not quite as violent, but Dagamant was basically me. Apparently I have ALWAYS hated touch - my sister used to wind me up by constantly standing near me and touching me so that I'd be all grouchy when mom and dad decided "Time for a hug!" to babby me and of course, I'd scream or kick because I've had enough contact for one week. I still remember being taken to a child psychologist over how much I /hated/ being touched and mom thought the first one was a quack because "He just has a developed sense of personal space and gets annoyed that others aren't respecting his boundaries".

[@adammarrow5980]

Oh my goodness! This is one of my favorite book series ever! I still have all three on my shelf and have read them many times.

[@camii2u]

This isn't the type of book that I would normally think to pick up so I appreciate you sharing this series with us! Are there other books in a similar vein that you would recommend?

[@Tallacus]

this trilogy was AMAZING, I read them back in 2007 I think, oh I love the world Sawyer created, I had no idea how old this trilogy was, it deserves more love

[@Aerostarm]

I really like this style of video. I found this one really interesting and watched all the way through

[@Poliostasis]

It's funny that we know now that Nanotyrannus was just a juvenile Tyrannosaurus lol

[@Poliostasis]

@Nick Devalous It's more than just that, as in there's more lines of evidence than just it looking similar. Like: "Turns out that in the last 15 years scientists have figured that out. By cutting a slice out of the limb bone of a dinosaur and grinding it down until it is so thin that light can pass through it, amazing details of the bone’s structure can be observed, including tell-tail signs of growth. Very much like a tree-ring, rings of growth observed in the bone are laid down in an annual cycle, so you can count the rings to see how old the animal was when it died. The results just published show that one of the specimens of “Nanotyrannus” died at about 13 years of age, and the other at 15, and both were only half the size of an adult. From studying the “big guys,” it is known that T. rex reaches full size after about 20 years. This and other lines of evidence have convinced most paleontologists that “Nanotyrannus” specimens are actually juvenile T. rex specimens." - www.blm.gov/blog/2020-03-20/it%E2%80%99s-settled-jane-was-juvenile-not-another-species We're not making just assumptions lol.

[@Poliostasis]

​@Nick Devalous "but you're just wrong and don't know what you're talking about." It was at this moment I knew, you were not worth arguing to.

[@frakismaximus3052]

I don't find it even remotely funny.

[@Poliostasis]

@@frakismaximus3052 cool

[@CapeFilms]

It’s actually it’s own species lol

[@Saltius999]

I feel like this universe would be a fantastic setting for cosmic horror.

[@ChrisIndellicati]

I love that you made this video this was a really great series. Thank you Dino Diego for the upload!

[@DinoDiego16]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ChrisIndellicati]

@@DinoDiego16 do you read Robert Sawyers other book End of An Era? That would be a cool one to review too!

[@DinoDiego16]

@@ChrisIndellicati i haven't read it yet, but i did run into it while doing research for this video. And I'm definitely going to check it out at some point!

[@ChrisIndellicati]

@@DinoDiego16 dope I’m looking forward to it as I do many many of your videos! Keep up the great work!

[@VictorianTimeTraveler]

I wonder what these "Quintogleo" would think if they knew that another species from an alternate universe had come up with a much much much better name for them..

[@AnnoyingNewslettersPage6]

Well, if I remember correctly, the first book does kind of end on a cliffhanger with what's going to happen to their people next, now that they know the truth of their situation. But he's right, these books are best experienced for themselves that first book really does feel like a standalone and now I need to finally find it read it and read the other one so I will be checking out your links below. I think I'm just going to watch the video through the first novel and then take your advice and experience the other ones for myself before coming back

[@6KIWIDino5]

Listened to the entire series because I saw this video come out. THEN I watched this video. I adore this series

[@Vienna3080]

I hope we get some Fan Made Movies of the Books some day at the very least

[@rafibausk7071]

Regarding the "Other" hatchlings and Dagumant. They didn't actually see the culling. It specifies that their eyes were not yet open at the time. Quintoglio eyes open after about a day. The "Others" we're only a couple of day tents old. So their eyes weren't open yet. In a sense because they were so young they were actually spared the effects. The timestamp in the audiobook is chapter 18 time 03:43

[@6KIWIDino5]

This video simply showing up in my feed made me listen to the trilogy over the 3 months since it's release. A favorite. Hardest lines were Afsan telling his son to kill himself

[@dount566]

Thanks for the video, put off watching for a little over a year but I finished all three books and had a great time. Glad to have them on my bookshelf.

[@DinoDiego16]

These are my favorite type of comments. When people put off my vids to actually experience the media I'm covering. Glad you enjoyed the books and the video!

[@conlybasher7783]

Being a torch-bearer to the memory of the Ssi-Ruuk from the Star Wars EU, I will definitely go check these books out. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, KZbin Algorithm! (and Dino Diego)

[@TmsFin]

1:39:46 Appriciate the brutal honesty. Take your time, looking forward for it and any other content you may have coming.

[@AnnoyingNewslettersPage6]

At a glance, the eight eggs mythos seems much more compelling than some real life religious cosmological beginning stories.

[@Error_4x5]

27:38 It's obvious the author was playing Shadow Of The Colossus when he wrote hunting scene.

[@lacien5624]

Clicked the video Watched the start Read the entire trilogy Watched the rest Worth it

[@kutkuknight]

Can’t believe how good this sounds

[@plushtraptheadorable6754]

I don't read a lot- if at all any, novels tbh, but after seeing this series or trilogy (which I've never heard of), makes me want to buy the books and read them for myself, because good lord is the story good, and I like how the author sort of varies it for each novel

[@WgB5]

Read it and loved the series. Another series that has stood the test of time was Robert Forwards' heavy gravity Star Quake stories.

[@ho-hyongyoo3251]

T rex with buff arms! Truly a masterpiece

[@cryoshotgaming3640]

In my language, if you translate the word for binoculars into english directly, it does literally mean "far-seer" so I couldn't stop imagining these guys with binoculars whenever yhe word came up

[@DinoRicky]

What’s your language

[@АрвигБадмаев-и1э]

Amazing video, thank you for letting me know about these books!

[@AnnoyingNewslettersPage6]

*THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!* 🙂 I've been trying to remember the name of this series for years. I only read the first book.

[@joejoelesh1197]

This series was my introduction to adult fiction!!!! I totally forgot the name of it thank you so much

[@TheArberter]

I'm going to read these books now due to this video. Thanks dude.

[@Johnny_Three-hats]

On hearing the initial concept and overview of the lore, I was pretty convinced that the Quintaglios' evolution would have something to do with increasing degrees of neoteny separating them from their more primitive tyrannosaurus cousins. Then aliens happened, and I wasn't disappointed honestly. It's interesting to me that touch seemed to be a major trigger for the dagamant. It strikes me as a state that could be caused by extreme fear as much as territoriality (though, a truly solitary, territorial sapient species is an interesting idea to its own), and if you're born into a world where your first and only experience with touch is your siblings being caught and eaten, understandable to fly into a frenzy to prevent that from being your own fate. That scene with Abzan and his insane murderer kid though. Jesus. Curious about the details around that though, why his kid seemed to be going off the deep end so drastically. It feels like something that needs more context to be made sense of. Gotta check this series out properly for myself, thanks so much for covering it.

[@anotherrandomtexan25]

I'm so glad I saw this video I had to stop like 1/3 of the way through and read the the whole series lol it was great and I thank you SO MUCH for introducing me to this series and the author!

[@DinoDiego16]

I'm happy you decided to do that! This series really is a treat to experience for yourself. Glad you enjoyed it.

[@dndsl3436]

Great video. I've only read the first book in the series, so I should try and find the others. IIRC, the fact that Dybo and his siblings were spared the blood priest ritual was relatively common knowledge, at least among more educated Quintaglios. I had also thought the manipulation by the Larsk priests to have been going on for several generations by the point of Farseer. On his website, Sawyer mentions that the Larsk church in Farseer is very much an allegory of the medieval Catholic Church. You can see that with their suppression of the Lubalites and well as how religious Dybo's character comes across as. At the start of the novel, Afsan has no knowledge of the Lubalites and the first time he encounters imagery of them, they a framed as demons or enemies of Larsk.

[@nigelcraft6002]

Cool, I read far seer as a kid, and always intended to read the others if I ever found them...but forgot all about it over the years. Neat video!

[@BodhiSatfa-co2zz]

This was freaking outstanding, Dino! Thank you 16k% Would watch every entry you publish. CHEERS👏🥃🍺🤘🤙🔥😂

[@JBAIMARK3]

It's an interesting premise, I can understand why the author maybe wanted to limit it to one book, and humanized his "alien" species, I could imagine they'd be a lot stronger with something to contrast their behavior with. I maybe would have been more interested if the space-age was present in book 2 and not a footnote in 3. I agree with the design issues people raise, limiting the number of digits to 3 would have worked well, and it's disappointing they're psychology isn't more baked into their DNA. IMO having characters be from the "foreign" sub-species might have been more interesting (a different way of thinking in spite of being raised as a Quintaglio), and maybe bringing in castes of dinosaurs like raptors or allosauroid or even sentient prey-animals that have different mentalities would have been a little more playful. (i.e. they hunt an illusive prey that they don't know is intelligent, and can help them, but scriptures state herbivores are to be eaten, the raptors are being made to hunt for the trex until technology makes them able to fight back etc.) Can't knock the foundation of it though, its a cool idea.

[@mihailpopa6051]

Man dropped some new heat for us today

[@DinoDiego16]

I always got the heat coming

[@KenikoB]

Definitely gonna have to pick this series up

[@robrice7246]

I'm wondering, was this also meant to capitalize (of sorts) and act as some promotion off of Jurassic Park since the first book came out two years after Michael Crichton's novel. Along with the usage of scientific themes and the fact that both of these books (and the fascination and awe of dinosaurs) were being developed around the same time as each other.

[@DinoDiego16]

Its an interesting thought. Its hard to say, since there was really no mention or discussion of that idea brought up anywhere, at least from what I could find. If this was the case, I'm at least glad it offers a much different experience than something thats more obviously trying to capitalize off of Jurassic Park.

[@walt776]

Dinosaurs were big in the early 1990s. There had been an explosion in interest in dinosaurs and a lot of media properties capitalized on that. Jurassic Park is the most famous example. But you also get shows like Power Rangers, which featured dinosaur robots. There was a lot of fiction about dinosaurs either published or republished at that time.

[@foxbox8994]

It could be seen that their quick advancement could also be that they were working towards a common goal and that would push forward scientific advancement

[@dalekrenegade2596]

Wish our society could take some notes regarding our own disasters.

[@oriontheraptor8119]

Would Be awesome if a fan series showed how Quantaglios and humans would interact on earth once they arrive to earth would humans accept them and then we end up with quantagilos human social groups or would they both attempt to destroy one another it’d be an interesting fan series

[@nikkisalerii89]

Thank you, I haven't seen these books in years.

[@scoutravenson3641]

36:26 damn man, that sudden increase in your volume startled the daylights out of me! Lol I’m listening to this with my earbuds on and only just barely kept from shouting and waking up the rest of my family. As it was I jumped out of my chair lmao!

[@syrenking]

Not gonna lie when i first saw what the video was about i thought it would be too weird for me to enjoy (but i watched anyways bc that's what i do when i see dinosaurs) And i was pleasantly surprised by how much i enjoyed this and i am definitively interested in reading the trilogy myself Amazing work! You proved me* wrong, In my face✨

[@DinoDiego16]

Thanks for giving the video a chance! I know how you feel, though. Sometimes, I'm like that with other videos, but nothing wrong with giving things a chance. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

33:14 I imagine the dakamant thing makes it so every conversation is had over a 10 foot gap

[@cmbaz1140]

wow...first time i have heard about this series...im loving it...

[@ninjadolphin01]

I've always thought it was weird when you see these like big rationalist types who are completely allergic to the idea of having the supernatural in their story but then create a natural force it's basically just supernatural. Like the washer is for all intents and purposes God even if it's not a a man with a beard sitting on a cloud

[@DinoDiego16]

To be fair, I don't think Sawyer was trying to avoid the idea of supernatural forces. To me, it felt like he was trying to depict it in a different way, while keeping some of those supernatural elements, to better fit the science fiction tone of the story.

[@arlibrarian]

Hope you don’t mind me replying a year old comment, but yeah, I’ve noticed this too. Not a huge reader of Sawyer but in his other works he seems to indicate he is a deist as opposed to an atheist.

[@ninjadolphin01]

@@arlibrarian nah it's fine, I'm not familiar with his other work so it's interesting to hear that perspective

[@blazethesteamdragon6202]

_Man I was really hoping they'd find a recovering old Jijaki's planet so they wouldn't come run into potential conflict with any native sapient species._

[@Popebug]

That's a really annoying gimmick you got there.

[@blazethesteamdragon6202]

@@Popebug ?

[@starclone4]

Oh thank you..... I will check this out very soon !!!!

[@yenguyandfriends]

I hope someone makes something good from these books, I can almost see a mini series or a movie

[@confusedlu8637]

One of my favorite series. I really love the Watcher. I see them being an almost motherly figure for the species of the universe. She is a “god” but she is not all powerful. I honestly feel bad for her. She lost her beloved Jijaki and with them, her “hands” as said in the second book. She must be so lonely I just want to hug her 😭

[@madmachanicest9955]

It like that dagomand is a mix of pray responces and diffice stress response. The going postal and trying to kill something is ganadic but the closeness trigger is physical.

[@ronniec8218]

Listening to this, I would love to see this book trilogy animated with no deviations from The source material

[@ryan.1990]

Same 💯

[@jasperfox6821]

This was interesting, I was genuinely disgusted at the culling thing, but glad they found a better way at the end. It's about a race that seems familiar to us, but yet so alien too.

[@SuperKingGhidorah]

Oh my time to dive in!