Exploring the Unique Xbox 360 Port of Duke Nukem 3D

[@AnthonyAdrianAcker]

Yoooo that leaderboard feature with the clips is really freaking cool! More games need that!

[@ThatNukemGuy]

I forgot about it until I was recording footage and I was quietly blown away by it

[@GermanPeter]

Considering how demos work (i.e. recording all inputs and object locations each frame), using them to load back into a game at a specific point should be more widely accessible, in all games that utilize them. It seems like such an easy thing to implement, all things considered.

[@luzroja29AKApeyo]

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[@StanislawNiemyjski]

Terve, Peter!

[@LinoshTheHaloGamer]

It primarily depends on the RNG complexity of the game as well. DOOM and Duke Nukem 3D are primitive in it's RNG, I mean DOOM literally only records your inputs in a demo lump because the RNG table is fixed. Other games (I know of) record demos like this is Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, Halo Reach and Halo 4 and it's ports in Halo the Master Chief Collection (the theatre system). And based on the interviews and developer commentaries from Bungie devs who made Halo, they said that they had to simplify AI to be more predictable so that theatre system can record AI movements as well, that's why theatre system couldn't be implemented for Halo 1 and Halo 2. That's why is easy to record multiplayer session as a demo because they only need to record all player inputs and simpler RNG like damage variation, spread, etc. Also there is that issue where devs don't want to spend efforts to code such a system in, especially now that it's easy to send High resolution recordings via internet.

[@prezidenttrump5171]

All things considered, shut up.

[@ThatNukemGuy]

It feels like a feature that should more widely available. It's great for teaching people how to speedrun!

[@Treeburner25]

This is how I first experienced doom and duke3d back at the end of middle school - I would probably be a very different person had these ports not been made! Thank you so much for sharing ❤

[@cthulhuchan9587]

I had this version back in the day as a young me just checking out classic FPS games (I also had Marathon and the DOOM ports on Xbox 360 too) I remember my friends at the time finding it odd that I’d play old games like that rather than playing CoD day in and day out But overall my love for classic FPS games has never died and this port was a blast 😌 good times

[@KingSigy]

There’s a glitch with the multiplayer achievements on this port. You can load up a game by yourself and suicide 500 times to get the kills achievement.

[@ThatNukemGuy]

I know what I'll be doing tonight....

[@terryjpendragon]

I remember Joe Siegler having some interesting anecdotes about working with Microsoft- including having a submission rejected due to not spelling "Live" in Xbox LIVE Arcade in all caps, and the requirement that the game be able to start with *any* type of controller- including the Guitar Hero guitar!

[@KillThad]

Joe Siegler has a ton of really interesting anecdotes from working at 3DR/Apogee.

[@Manquant]

I was always interested in playing both Doom and Duke Nukem 3D as a teen in 2008, but I didn't have a working computer at the time and probably wouldn't have known how to set up either games. When these ports were finally made available for the 360, I must've clocked in countless hours playing both games. Previous home releases felt a bit compromised, but this felt right to play for the first time back in 2008.

[@ArnieMcStranglehold]

I actually loved the ports of Doom and Doom 2. It was the first time I was ever able to play Doom co-op with my sisters. This version of Duke3D was also fantastic. I grew up with all 3 aforementioned games, and when I moved onto Windows 7, on the first PC I ever built in late 2010, I sort of lost the ability to effectively play a lot of old games. Duke3D never worked properly. But having a console port? Outstanding. I had put tons of time into the DOS version and it's a little different but it still felt super good.

[@hank9267]

I remember there was a time, I was placed number #1 in Hollywood Holocaust for speed run in Duke3D leaderboards on XBLA. Honestly, this version of Duke will always be my favorite.

[@Anonymous-jh9el]

My dad loved this version, he played it all the time. (yes he's still alive)

[@ThommyofThenn]

Lucky to have a gamer dad!

[@Born...]

Just got this on my modded rgh 360 and I am enjoying it now! Thanks for the video!

[@TheSwiftFX]

This was how I started playing Duke! I remember the demo only had the first level (I think)

[@alantaylorfc]

This particular version is the first game I ever bought on any platform's digital store. 800 Microsoft points. So revolutionary, man...

[@wolfgangfrost8043]

I remember at the time being like "WOT?! Apogee / 3D Realms still exists? They do things?"

[@moominpapa1980]

You're my new favourite youtube channel. Its true there's content for every niche.

[@ArnieMcStranglehold]

I enjoyed this version. When I built my first PC circa 2010, it ran Windows 7, and it impacted my ability to successfully play old DOS games. Prior to that, I did have an old, used, first-gen white xbox 360 before buying my own new one in 2012 after mine died to a Reach-related permanent red-ring cycle. It was really cool having that leaderboard feature. It allowed me to see what crazy shit people did to finish levels quickly. I did play the ports of Doom and Doom 2 more, as they had splitscreen so I could do co-op with my sisters. That was a ton of fun. You haven't experienced Doom until you've done three player splitscreen with siblings.

[@688Shadow]

I played this when it started as a demo on the 360. I love that they chose the Atomic Edition cos I actually own the Plutonium Pack disc on PC back when it was new

[@Witchling86]

This was one of the best ports of Duke Nukem 3D, second place is the Steam version based on this port. :P

[@Chris-cf1hs]

Are you talking about megaton or was there a port on steam before that port?

[@dangr3957]

I am glad I bought this before the store closed. It’s literally the 1996 pc version running on solid 60fps. Looks amazing on a crt tv. My only problem is that I always get stuck on levels. I don’t like the level design, I want to finish it one day.

[@substandardeagle4738]

I have fond memories of playing this on my 360 when I was getting into old school shooters. DOOM, DOOM II (although the first DOOM wasn't available for quite some time), Duke Nukem 3D and Serious Sam.

[@hatsuneelissu5924]

i wonder if that thing still works for the 500 kills achievement! u know, play on freeway and get yourself squized by that underwater gate at player 1 begin point, doing that could count as a kill.

[@DukeNukem2020]

Yeah I loved this version back in the day and spent lots of time playing this. I bought it the day it was released on XBLA. I wish that it had the expansion packs though.

[@CrestlineIceberg]

Interesting. I definitely remember Megaton Edition and playing through it years ago. It's something I wish I could play again because of the add-ons and I wish it was added in for the 20th Anniversary World Tour. Still good stuff.

[@Phredreeke]

If you want the addons they're available if you buy the game on Zoom platform (not to be confused with the video conferencing service). It doesn't include the Megaton port itself but you're better off running something like Rednukem nowadays anyway

[@NikoNoxious]

I used to play this version ... it's the best ... the rewinding feature worked so much better and co op was sick over Xbox live

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

The was how I first got to play Duke Nukem 3D, I started with Duke Nukem 64 around 2000-2001ish around 4 years old but never got around to playing the original game until the 360... Duke 64 is still the best version, fight me... This was the first thing I've ever payed for on xbox live and I still use the same randomly generated account name StrayHALO MAN... I would have been 11 years old at the time and I'm 27 now. I used to make a new account every month for the free month of XBL Gold but Duke Nukem made me keep this one and now I am StrayHALO MAN for life. Thanks Duke!

[@michaelwhitacre8499]

The only feature missing from this version was split screen multiplayer 😢

[@Phredreeke]

I suspect the Megaton Edition not making it to X360 was due to it using OpenGL rendering (the X360 version uses software rendering, which may be preferable depending on your point of view)

[@wadmodderschalton5763]

That's DirectX, which has always been the only de facto standard of Graphics APIs exclusive to Xbox consoles.

[@Phredreeke]

@@wadmodderschalton5763 and the Megaton edition uses OpenGL, hence why it's not on Xbox 360.

[@humanice2]

I always wanted this version of the game since it released in 2008, but it was unavailable in my country and I felt really upset about it. The original Doom port was also unavailable, until I bought Doom 3 BFG Edition and could finally install it to my 360.

[@ArnieMcStranglehold]

There was a period where even here in the US, I remember the original Doom vanishing for quite a while. I had already bought it, and I thought it was because it had a bug where if you used the "exit" option from the menu to go back to your dashboard, instead of just using the Xbox button, it would crash the game. 🤣

[@DethMetalDurgn]

For a long time, I made it to the top 10 for beating the whole game 100% on Damn, I'm Good. 😭 Was my proudest moment in my time gaming.

[@ThatNukemGuy]

The leaderboards need to make a comeback

[@DethMetalDurgn]

@@ThatNukemGuy these type of leaderboards, I agree, and hopefully, not hacked ones.

[@eraerror5054]

I remember being disappointed for the lack of widescreen at the time. Also, there were two brand new pictures of Duke Nukem Forever included as unlockables.

[@pseudonym3690]

This save state feature is very impressive. While it's a standard in emulators, I haven't seen it in other games. Really cool that they went out of their way to implement that. IMO, this should be a standard for most games. Alas, recording game movies stopped being a thing at around the millennium.

[@chummy_lectern]

The "enhancing" reminds me of the GZDoom default stats

[@mrman2557]

true

[@15-Peter-20]

This channel is excellent. If you haven't already its well worth a sub.

[@Dark_Jaguar]

Damnit Randy!

[@MrClawt]

This version was really fun when Multiplayer was in full swing. Trip mines in the goofiest places.

[@JudgementDay666HEX]

Whenever I go offline it says the game turns into a trial. Even though it was the first game I ever bought its saying I don't have the license for the game.

[@JoLiKMC]

You mentioned system links. The PlayStation 1 has a system link capability for some games like _Command & Conquer._ Not sure about the Saturn, much less later generation consoles. Anyway, this game feels like it inspired special features of later ports. Pretty nifty.

[@kazama2133]

The reason this version doesn't have the expansions is they discovered the rights of the expansion was owned by another company. They would have to buy the rights and chose not to.

[@ThatNukemGuy]

Plus this isn't the Megaton version; which had them.

[@thelegendofdevon]

​@@ThatNukemGuythe expansions being included were a bit of a contention with some of their respective developers, if I recall. At least, I remember it being brought up from some SillySoft guys when they did the Shadow Warrior SourcePort and we were looking at including the Deadly Kiss expansion with it.

[@reduced1383]

It was on the 360? That would've been nice to know when I had one years ago lol

[@ThatNukemGuy]

Thats the sad thing, it didn't get that much publicity

[@noyes.]

I didn’t know either brother😢

[@Osh_93]

now I'm wondering if that lowest time record used the demo feature or did it in one run.. Great video!

[@ThommyofThenn]

Low key depressing to see great features removed for really no reason

[@Leny1777]

I remember playing this when it came out. By any chance can you still play online?

[@BluntStop]

This was the best version to play.

[@halfhumanhalfzombie]

Easy Achievements for the time, great game.

[@Caolan114]

I would download a ton of trials on the 360 before this the only Duke game I played was time to kill This was before I could buy my own games but I loved the demo

[@thatradiogeek]

I have this port. I like it.

[@roflBeck]

I've only played the Megaton edition that I got from Steam. Haven't played it a ton but it's good.

[@someguy872]

125000 Kills on Duke3d xbox 360 version? i call bs. But those speedruns are awesome! wonder if some still play on Xbox.

[@EddyG2023]

Have you tried duke nukem 3d legacy edition?

[@HBKjeffrey]

glad i got this game before the store went down

[@kellymountain]

isn't this port also the basis for megaton edition on PS3? it has userclips, achievements, etc, but also high-res hud graphics and a proper version of the blue message font

[@Phredreeke]

Kind of. It's based on JFDuke3D, but with rewind features ported in from the XBLA version (they were not available on the PC megaton edition)

[@death5431]

If anyone wants to farm the Multiplayer Achievements I'm always looking for people :)

[@ThatNukemGuy]

I am lowkey considering doing streams where I try to make that happen.

[@SneakyGreninja]

@@ThatNukemGuy I'm down to farm the achievements with y'all

[@death5431]

​@@ThatNukemGuyI would absolutely join in!

[@aipaloovik]

If you don't invert Y in *ANY* FPS/first-person game, you're a masochist.

[@Cuckie1996]

The PS3 did eventually get this version so did the PS Vita

[@ThatNukemGuy]

The PS3 and Vita got the Megaton Edition, which included the expansions

[@templerioinmortal]

Can I buy this version for series X? I can't find it.

[@BadassSon]

Nope, the only version on one/series x is the 20th anniversary edition

[@JudgementDay666HEX]

I bought it as one of the first games that got released for the Xbox 360. I think it was on the blades dashboard. Iwant to get all the multi-player and co op acievments before they shut down the Xbox 360 marketplace.

[@Gator159]

This is where I put in most of my Duke Nukem 3D gameplay. It's a shame no one cares anymore

[@marscaleb]

Well I wish someone told me about this before they closed the store...

[@GazettiSF]

I remember sending a message to the top guys asking how tf they did it. They never answered me.

[@thegamegrump2825]

Couple of things 1. You can still get Duke Nukem 3D 360 port though emulators........ but it kind of hard to find 2. Duke Nukem 3D Megaton Edition Ps3/Vita took the Demo recordings from the 360 3. This is the final rerelease from 3DRealms and it is a shame to such amazing port Single player and Online run amazing runs alot better then that world tour port

[@bobbynick5358]

Yeah Sony on Ps3 and all console gens, around Ps4 and Xbone era only got the Megaton Edition edition, but it's very similar to this version, but with the addons. but buggier.

[@Phredreeke]

PS4 and Xbone didn't get Megaton, they got the World Tour edition

[@bobbynick5358]

@@Phredreeke ah ok my bad, but yeah, the ps3 Megaton Edition is very similar or the same engine and base features? to the 360 port, If i remember. They just added in the expansion packs, and i remember the game was buggy and glitchy even they patched/fixed it a few times, it's still abit glitchy.

[@zombrotato981]

Kinda reminds me of how different the doom ps1 was

[@purebaldness]

8:42 - heaven forbid the achievements are themed around the spirit of the game

[@ThatNukemGuy]

I've made that joke numerous times playing this level on this channel hehe

[@purebaldness]

@@ThatNukemGuy Hats off to you for not ruining a joke by making it too obvious for dullards like me! This is one of the handful of reasons why I'm tempted to get a 360 again, these old XBLA purchases locked away in my account!

[@Yeenuwu]

Hey I recognise that gamertag :p

[@ThatNukemGuy]

Which one? I'm curious now...

[@Yeenuwu]

@@ThatNukemGuy YoshiChief

[@ThatNukemGuy]

@@Yeenuwu That's really cool, small world haha

[@Greenchrysopsaro]

I gues checked the Megaton Edition on my Vita It has the Clips for the leader boards also Ive 100% this game and had no idea I did see that a lot of the people at the top seem to be cheaters I assume as they are just standing there and then the game ends

[@ThatNukemGuy]

Overall Megaton is the better package so Vita got it good.

[@Greenchrysopsaro]

@ThatNukemGuy I'm glad the Vita got it The aiming is not tuned great but I was able to beat it Really used that playback feature You can also jump into the leaderboards gameplay you just won't qualify for trophies or leaderboards Games is well cool

[@silveracid1344]

Sadist 🤔

[@Chris-cf1hs]

I didnt even know there was an xbox 360 port until i was combing over the marketplace before it shut down. I wish i knew about it back in the day, i could have been exposed to duke nukem a lot earlier

[@DescipleOfDJK]

Worse version of Megaton Edition, RIP

[@AnnoyingCrow-nw4ln]

CAW

[@sealboy1211]

Ah yes. My default axis brothers. Their world is a lie, they are not pushing a cursor around on screen. They forget that when they look up, they PULL their heads BACK.

[@ArnieMcStranglehold]

"oh but controllers don't work like that" they say to me sometimes, "it's not realistic". The first controllers **were literally designed to work that way** because they were plane joysticks.

[@mrretrogamesguy]

worse than psvita one