Exposing Discovery Institute Part 6: Jonathan McLatchie

It's time to expose another Discovery Institute charlatan! This time we turn to bottom-tier errand boy Jonathan McLatchie, a pointless tool who would normally be ignored, but he wrote a series of rubbish Evolution News blog posts as damage control for my debunk of Michael Behe, so let's humiliate him. The best part is at the end, where he fabricated a twitter interaction with me, called it a "debate", and published it as content. You've seen some pathetic losers in this series so far, but this guy really is the bottom of the barrel. Enjoy!
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[@devinsethna1287]

I liked the part where Professor Dave said “It’s Davin’ time” and proceeded to Dave all over the Discovery Institute

[@TomJacobW]

eeeww

[@SSB1216]

Unapologetically stupid

[@LDrosophila]

It was a Davkake

[@Z4r4sz]

Thats hilarious :D

[@isidoreaerys8745]

It was definitely a steamy one.

[@Mulavi]

"So why don't you start responding to the evidence rather than just dismissing it." I almost spit out my coffee.

[@emmanuel1337]

"Why don't you start responding to this thing I never actually presented instead of pointing out where the problem in my brain dead reasoning is?!"

[@SextusHempiryk]

@@emmanuel1337 You mean Tour and his scribbling on the Black Board obviously...

[@nikolasgonzalez8709]

@@SextusHempirykprobably... hopefully

[@emmanuel1337]

@@SextusHempiryk I meant McLatchie in his "debate" against Matt Dillahunty, but I suppose the same applies to Tour.

[@ynotlearn4190]

But did he respond to his claims?

[@aditya_a]

Wanting to learn science for furthering human knowledge: ❌ Wanting to learn science to understand Prof. Dave debunking videos ✅

[@rivianexcel763]

why not both

[@revmsj]

Wanting to learn science to more effectively misrepresent it and flat out lie about it to cement others belief in a bearded cloud magician dude that’s all about forced incest and tons of murder! 👈🏾Everyone @ the DI…🤷🏾‍♂️

[@zacharyberridge7239]

His absolute destruction at the hands of Dillahunty was glorious. Dude literally rage quit a debate when held to task on his claim that claims are evidence. "If I claim claims aren't evidence, you'd have to accept that claim, right?"

[@Hitchpster]

Oh I'm gonna watch that next.

[@bazingaburg8264]

Dude limbos under the lowest of bars. There are muslim apologists who'd laugh Johnny out the door and they're subpar at best.

[@isaacw8503]

It’s the overwhelming opinion of academia that claims are evidence. Dillahunty has been taken to task over this multiple times. The claim that claims aren’t evidence, is evidence against claims. However, we shouldn’t accept the truth of Dillahunty’s claim as we have far better competing evidence for the proposition that claims are evidence.

[@zacharyberridge7239]

@@isaacw8503 cool. I claim you're a moron. Now, we have evidence that you're a moron.

[@bazingaburg8264]

@@isaacw8503 No, you're not gonna equate claims and evidence and get to think yourself a rational human, who proportions their confidence in a claim to the evidence in support thereof, ok? Just no. It doesn't matter how many people believe, or how fervently they believe, that Santa is real, a mountain of claims does not morph into a body of evidence. "Most in academia agree" is the lazy way to forego pulling statistics from your butt. You mash an ad populum fallacy and an appeal to authority together in "defense of science", which works through rejection of both of them. Claims are datapoints, sure, but unless you can demonstrate a causal connection between correlating points of data, there is No Reason to connect them beyond "but I wanna". Until any god can be demonstrated to interact with our reality, there is no reason to assume any exist or care enough to intervene. Neither ignorance nor incredulity are good reasons to stuff our wishful thinking anywhere we'd be more comfortable with having an answer, any answer, rather than facing the discomfort of having none that satisfies yet or ever.

[@DoctorOnkelap]

Oh, this will be good. Every time I saw a debate between an atheist and McLatchie, I felt inclined to literally do an internet search for the words "McLatchie idiot"

[@ApocryphalDude]

It is probably in the autocomplete by now

[@spyderxx6309]

He's probably idiots among idiots, isn't he?@@ApocryphalDude

[@averagejoe112]

He rage quitted against Dillahunty

[@Doofster]

He has a great argument for Christianity being true though, it's a very complicated way of saying "I believe it"

[@DoctorOnkelap]

@@Doofster faith is not a good reason to believe anything

[@InformationIsTheEdge]

Dr. Ken Miller utterly DESTROYED irreducible complexity in Federal Court back in 2005. Miller took apart every facet of the idea, demonstrated exactly how each part of the claim is wrong and used examples found in living organisms that exist now. I guess Johnny didn't get the memo about that. Good work Prof. Dave smashing this guppy.

[@aralornwolf3140]

Dr. Behe still ignores what happened there... as such he's a liar.

[@utubepunk]

​@@aralornwolf3140Well yeah, that's the core of the grift.

[@Julian0101]

@@aralornwolf3140 Oh, but have you considered A?

[@aralornwolf3140]

@@ZebecZT, "He addressed this in a book which he's free to writes anything he wants in it instead of a peer review paper". Irreducible Complexity is BS. The only Biologists who disagree with that statement of mine are Creationists... I mean Intelligent Design Proponents.

[@harithshah45]

@@aralornwolf3140 It's possible to believe irreducible complexity is BS while pointing out that Behe did address it.

[@vdub2014]

These never get old. Someone needs to burn this whole series on DVD and start handing it out at church services.

[@johnbennett6773]

Vhs maybe...

[@steveg1961]

I have another suggestion - with media interviewers (people like Joe Rogan, for example) who invite these clowns on for interviews, we should distribute the DVDs to them so that they can be better equipped to ask more intelligent questions. In regard to the churches, creationism critics on the World Wide Web in general for the last thirty years, and in video presentations on KZbin (and elsewhere) in more recent years, such as Dave Farina, but many many others, have been dismantling the religious pseudoscience so well that the younger generations are leaving the fundamentalist/evangelical churches their parents raised them in in droves, as soon as they're old enough to leave home, like never before in U.S. history. I just watched an interview with a Christian apologist yesterday in which he was arguing that "New Atheism" was a failure - and all I kept thinking was, "Seriously, man, you should take a look at the polls over the last twenty years that show how participation in churches, and belief in a god, has been steadily declining for over twenty years, and the rate of decline is growing." So if that's failure, then failure is a great thing. But, of course, typical Christian apologetics rhetoric, it's mostly just smoke and mirrors and playing word games such that the words as they use them don't mean what the words actually mean.

[@ancientflames]

@@steveg1961can’t wait until religious people are no longer the majority in America.

[@simongiles9749]

@@steveg1961 It's a tricky wordplay. "New Atheism" was some nonsense artificial construct on the web, which tried and failed to include things like LGBT issues under the same banner. But this generation of KZbin atheist channels, although you'll find the majority of them supportive incidentally in LGBT issues, don't make it some kind of centralised dogma. So atheism in general is on the rise, even if a particular grouping of it about 10 years ago didn't work.

[@steveg1961]

@@simongiles9749Actually, I'm pretty sure you're mixing up two different things. The term "New Atheism" was coined by a journalist - while the atheists he was talking about never knew anything about the term. And then later on as more and more people (mostly Christian apologists) started using the term, atheists themselves pointed out that there was no such thing as "New Atheism" since they were doing nothing more than discussing the same kinds of critiques of religious belief that atheists having been pointing out since at least Bertrand Russell. The other term - the one you're referring to - is "A+" or "Atheism+". That's when people who are atheists and who are also political leftists tried to pretend that to be a good atheist you also had to be a leftist. They're still around. Of course, I've been criticizing their attempts to squash the two together ever since. I know about these things, because I've lived through them. I was born in 1961 and was raised with fundamentalist Christian beliefs (which I believed in wholeheartedly) by fundamentalist Christian parents. (My father was a minister in a fundamentalist Christian denomination. And I do mean fundamentalist - I was a young earth creationist at the time.) From 1979 to 1984 was the time of my "deconversion" through a great deal of personal research and study. It was in 1984 that I realized I had become an atheist. By that time, I'd already read "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, and I read his book "The Extended Phenotype" a few years after that. During all of this, in regard to my political perspective, which had developed in a much more natural way, I'm libertarian, and my perspective was libertarian before I even knew that there was an explicit political perspective called "libertarianism" in the first place. Anyway, I only wrote that previous paragraph to give context for this: When "A+" came along, I was acutely aware of what leftist atheists were trying to do, and I pushed back immediately, and have been pushing back on that ever since, since (1) philosophically, atheism in no way, shape, or form implies leftist politics, and (2) in pragmatic terms, atheists are across the board, since atheists are libertarian, or politically conservative, or politically left. I have gone to various public group meetings on topics of interest to atheists over the years, from when I lived in California in the 1980s up until sometime in the middle 2010s when I went to an atheist group meeting in Lansing, Michigan which was infected with the whole "Atheism+" mentality, after which I have not attended any atheism-related group meeting since then. But in terms of the references, "A+" is definitely distinct from "New Atheism." In regard to "New Atheism," there was another term coined: "Four Horsemen," which was used to refer specifically to Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, and Daniel Dennett. I had known about Dawkins and Dennett before (Dawkins in particular especially, since I've been reading Dawkins since the early 1980s, and then I'd read Dennett later on when he published his book about biological evolution and the philosophy of science related to it) the whole "New Atheism" thing, but I only learned about Hitchens and Harris in discussions with Christian apologists talking about the so-called "New Atheism." I still remember saying back then - bear in mind that for me this was many years ago - "What are you talking about?" There's nothing "new" here. These atheists are only saying what atheists have always been saying. (Including me, as an atheist.) Incidentally, the Christian apologist I was referring to in my previous post, in the KZbin video I saw a couple of days ago, was Frank Turek, who was interviewed by Dave Rubin (who is an atheist). Rubin is a great interviewer, because he knows how to have a guest open up and discuss things freely and say exactly what he thinks - despite the fact that Rubin actually disagrees with most of what Turek is saying. Also, just so you know, Rubin is libertarian, making him a libertarian atheist, which is how he got onto my radar years ago in the first place. Turek was going on and on about the "failure" of "New Atheism." Of course, under that video, I posted comments about a number of matters in regard to his portrayal being completely wrong, including the fact that the "movement" he's referring to is a major factor that has lead to the substantial growth of atheists in the U.S. and the steady decline in church participation (the growth of the "nonreligious") and the steady decline in belief in a god in the U.S. Which is why, I wrote, if that's failure, then failure is a good thing.

[@yourneighbourr]

guy claims to be a trained scientist, and yet can't tell an evidence from a claim.. so sad, and such people rarely change for good

[@user-ee7bz3ip2b]

His special Jesus school told him he was a scientist

[@aidanmaslow]

I was friends with Jonathan on Facebook for a while (might have been 7 or 8 years since our last interaction) and had numerous actual debates with him about ID, IC, etc. While I do not believe him to be a fraud, his tactics for debating have not changed. He is so invested in his assumptions about the existence of God and his role in creation that he regularly ignored major points I made and focused only points he thought he could win. His biological knowledge does not seem to have advanced much. He never got close to winning any of our debates and they typically ended when he would insist that the Bible be treated as strong historical evidence. I would reject that because it is clearly a political document created by the Catholic Church. That would create an insurmountable impasse. He once sent me a very lengthy document he wrote arguing for a historical Jesus. I very boring, heavily biased work that I could make a quarter of the way through.

[@JudasMaccabeus1]

To be fair, the “Bible” as a collection of documents, many documents existing long prior to Catholicism, should be examined separately. Religuous propaganda underlies much of its canonization process, but Septuagint and, for example, the Qumran scrolls, emphasize clearly that scripture was around and used as a basis for Judaism long before Roman Catholicism existed.

[@Antis14CZ]

-"While I do not believe him to be a fraud,..." It's good to think well of people, but the DI creationists really leave little room for good will. This guy, like others of his ilk, has been repeatedly corrected, his arguments range from ignorant to downright misrepresenting science. There are only two options here: either he knows he's bulshitting people, which means he's a fraud, flat out. The alternative is that he's a severely delusional lunatic. There's no option C.

[@sthed6832]

Much of it is a political document created by priests in Jerusalem trying to centralize their power and eliminate regional centers of worship. Especially the parts relevant to creation debates.

[@mjjoe76]

If they are spending all their time and energy attacking you, that’s less time and energy spent advancing their dangerous political agenda. Thanks Dave!

[@mikotagayuna8494]

Yes, and more DI attacks equals more content for us. Win-win for science!

[@cobalt4045]

And here, I thought telemarketing scambaiters got all the fun at wasting the time of the dishonest.

[@solacedagony1234]

They have to keep what's left of their decreasing flock somehow.

[@cobalt4045]

@@solacedagony1234 Perhaps if their flock wasn't built on lies and falsehoods in the first place, then they wouldn't be in this mess right now with science-minded people regardless of religious affiliation or lack thereof calling them out on their nonsense. Yes, even Christians think that the DI are full of it. I just learned that the folks at Biologos have been sharing Professor Dave's videos on their forums. I just found a thread with the Casey Luskin video in it.

[@bazingaburg8264]

PragerU videos play in Floridian history classrooms, the war on education is in full swing.

[@JJPMaster]

IDiocy is the worst kind of idiocy, because it can actually sound kinda like real science sometimes.

[@CookiesRiot]

Three children stacked on each other's shoulders in a lab coat cosplaying a scientist.

[@DarkZerol]

With a forehead and scalp like that. I wouldn't even trust this McLathie guy if he told me the sky is blue.

[@TheMissiIe]

​@@CookiesRiotstill more intelligent than a creationist

[@bodan1196]

"My watch is always correct. It is just that the universe manage to catch up with it twice a day." /s

[@Malthusia]

IDiocy is new. And I fuckin love it!

[@aagereinertjakobsen4832]

The science community needs more people like Pro Dave that are willing to openly humiliate these scumbags for lowering the collective science literacy of the world.

[@rianmacdonald9454]

DAM RIGHT. Wish I has the money, as Pro. Dave would be funded 100k a year, so never need to worry over bills/rent etc, no need to be chained to adverts or beg for donations. Can simply at ease go through all their videos, and respond in a way most people are unable to do so, you know basically exactly what the guy does, and he other videos, pretty much are university lectures on such a huge range of subjects - he is by far my favourite channel. Just want to see him hit 5 mill subs, more than deserve it for all the work/effort he has put into it.

[@damonm3]

I don’t think they effect things much. I think it’s the people that can’t overcome their pacifying wants that end up on their side. I guess they can do damage with the youth tho. And that’s really unforgivable. Getting kids to go to some ID school instead of somewhere they’d learn science should be an outright serious crime. Like a class 3 felony. At min seriously delaying and wasting years of someone’s life..

[@thepapschmearmd]

I have thought about doing this with my channel for medicine/women’s health but I don’t have a ton of time and don’t really know how to get videos out there.

[@damonm3]

@@thepapschmearmd sounds like it’s not happening then 😂

[@LGpi314]

@@ww2buff352 "We just also believe that there is a God." And where is the evidence of your god? Which god is it?

[@freddan6fly]

Thank you Professor Dave for exposing these stupid liars of Discovery Institute

[@hyrulehollowtitan9657]

Thank you for supporting science!

[@lmoral222]

👍

[@Raz.C]

You mean "Thank you for _discovering_ these liars..."

[@hyrulehollowtitan9657]

@@Raz.C "Thsnk you for -instituting- and -discovering"

[@al4nmcintyre]

Wow, I bailed out of my PhD program and I still accidentally published more than this guy? Shocking! Now if only I had Jonathan's lack of ethics I could make a fortune in creationism cash!🤣

[@sideways5153]

No no no, you’d “empower” hundreds of people to “take a stand” against “illegitimate science” by abandoning “materialist” resources like money or time. Remember, it’s neeeeeeveer about the money lmao

[@falsevacuum4667]

May I ask why you withdrew from your PhD program? I am a prospective PhD student and can't see why I wouldn't want to complete it. Was it just the amount of time? Did you get a good job offer or something?

[@al4nmcintyre]

@falsevacuum4667 Basically I couldn't afford to not be working any more--one of the disadvantages of not getting around to grad school until after one has bills and family commitments. 😜

[@falsevacuum4667]

@@al4nmcintyre Ah, thanks for the insight. I have a spouse but no kids yet, so there's that haha

[@phillyphakename1255]

​@@falsevacuum4667I had issues with mental health. Depression and anxiety and bad self image made it hard or even impossible to get out of bed. I went in pretty okay mentally, not 100%, but functional. Over time, I put off getting help for it, and it just kept spiralling until it was debilitating, eventually dropping out when I had a full on crisis. I highly recommend getting that side of life sorted before starting, and having a good support network and safety net to right the ship when the seas are starting to look rough. I wanna go back eventually, but I know I still am not at that point so I can know I'll be successful.

[@BlueBarrier782]

Thank you so much, Professor Dave, for covering this guy. He uses similiar disingenuous tactics regarding ancient Near East and Greco-Roman history too. He repeatedly makes false claims about what most NT scholars and historians (at accredited universities) say about the Gospels and the historical context surrounding these NT works. It is very frustrating to see this kind of misinformation spread.

[@isidoreaerys8745]

Then he cites fringe crackpots like Lydia McGrew who has a very tenuous connection to reality. Like. Bro.

[@UrMomsFavSnack]

⁠@@isidoreaerys8745It’s pretty remarkable to see these apologists flounder about knowing that the serious scholarship has long since recognized that the NT is largely a type of Greco Roman Apotheosis literature. Making a historical figure into a legendary Demi-God.

[@bradfordjr9905]

You nailed it! Johnny pathologically lies for Jesus. He is a desperate guy!

[@jeremywillis7139]

I find it hiliarious that he didn't train as a historian or textual critic but for some reason feels he has meaningful content to add to the conversation. Read his critiques of Bart Ehrman sometime - it's truly pathetic.

[@bradfordjr9905]

@@jeremywillis7139 Yes, it's pathetic!

[@corringhamdepot4434]

In my personal experience arguing with liars, they often don't seem able to remember what lies they have actually told in the past. Then get really annoyed when you remind them.

[@SextusHempiryk]

If it's a flatearther you argued with, it's called "flerf reset" XD

[@sundeutsch]

Exactly.

[@timothymoore8549]

I watch a ton of debunk content and I cannot believe how much you make these guys squirm.

[@silviu-georgepantelimon1423]

Let's congratulate Dave for inventing 4th degree burns, I wouldn't want to be in the skin of the losers from the Discovery Institute, must hurt a ton.

[@juhanipolvi4729]

If treating 3rd degree burns requires full skin transplant I wonder if treating 4th degree burns would require skin AND muscle transplant...

[@Toothless_dance]

I watched the entire video. Im not a science guy, im in year 8. Yet, I love watching this man.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Hopefully you are in a situation where you can afford university. I don’t mean about grades, just cost/access. When I see young people interested in Dave’s stuff, I always hope they will be able to get access to the education & opportunities they deserve. Eg you; I hope you have access to education you want.

[@thepuffinman1055]

You’re gonna go far kid

[@Toothless_dance]

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Thanks man 👍

[@DarthVaderfr]

I was like you at your age, now I'm studying physics at the university, good luck boy

[@shassett79]

Every time I see McLatchie speak, I'm struck by what a deeply unserious and incurious person he is. That's not to say he's dumb- he isn't- but just that he simply refuses any critical evaluation of things when he'd prefer that they were true.

[@vestafreyja]

I'm more of a person who thinks Dr. Jonathon McLatchie would have difficulty emptying a pair of boots full of water even when the instructions are clearly labeled on the heel of each boot.

[@shassett79]

@@vestafreyja That could be, too, but my impression of him is that he willfully deludes himself in spite of being smart enough to know better.

[@Z4r4sz]

Today McLoser linked to another biologist in his latest blog and sold him as an evolutionary biologist. It literally takes seconds to look that guy up to learn he studies plants. Thats a pretty dumb lie I say. Thats the kind of person McLoser is.

[@vforwombat9915]

@@vestafreyja " would have difficulty emptying a pair of boots full of water " unless the university is a sham, it does take SOME smarts to get a phd.

[@christianhayter]

McLatchie has sold his "soul" to the Discovery Institute, and now lies blatantly in exchange for a salary

[@submit2darkseid]

Jonathan McLatchie rage quitting VS Matt Dillahunty was both hilarious and pathetic.

[@SextusHempiryk]

Oh, I gotta see that one!

[@dickmcwienersonIII]

He did call god stupid I think that made him mad

[@kaliban4758]

It shows the creationist does not have a leg to stand on when it comes to science

[@FakingANerve]

​@@SextusHempirykLike almost all other "debates" on that channel, it's infuriatingly dumb. The rage quit was maybe the only positive point, because you know it's coming to a conclusion. I can't watch that shitshow of a platform anymore.

[@user-ee7bz3ip2b]

He did return after a bit, after he calmed down. Still pretty sad he doesn't understand what evidence is

[@iammrbeat]

The Twitter back and forth with himself was...something else. 😳

[@DumbJockQuaterback]

STOP SEEKING ATTENTION! NARCISSISM! One hundred thousand + subs makes people vain and supercilious.

[@angusyang5917]

Thank you for being a beacon of truth in a sea of lies and bullshit in a post-truth world, Professor Dave. When's Douglas Axe or David Berlinsky going to get smited in this series?

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Axe for sure, possibly next, Berlinski probably too at some point.

[@ryansergas2776]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains SMITE THEM FOR SCIENCE DAVE

[@Marques2000]

​@@ProfessorDaveExplainshow about Dembski

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

@@Marques2000 yes definitely, possibly next

[@Marques2000]

fuck yes @@ProfessorDaveExplains

[@robindude8187]

This is _easily_ my favorite series on this channel, and gets close to the top for all of KZbin. Watching the DI get roasted so badly, having their lying a--ses exposed for the lying liars they are is just so wonderful!

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Tied with the Screamin’ Jimbo Tour Debunk Miniseries. Or Maxiseries; depending on J-bo Tour...

[@IanMcGarrett]

Do we really need professor Dave to expose this guy? He gives me the vibe of someone who exposes himself.

[@marknieuweboer8099]

In the end all creacrappers do. People need to learn to recognize their nasty tricks.

[@Lucciii32]

@@marknieuweboer8099”Repent you fool, Santa is coming to town”

[@jrojala]

I’m embarrassed for how much I’m living for these debunks, but I’m not embarrassed enough not to devour every single one

[@fofoagressive]

"... that you have to fabricate an entire conversation by stiching tweets from a dozen different threads completely out of order just to convince your loser followers that you´re winning something..." Wasn´t the Bible wrote that way? You can say things about the guy, but he is consistent.

[@stevewebber707]

Kinda sort of. Except the bible doesn't even resemble a coherent conversation. Or a coherent anything through the books. The picking and choosing and cherry picking, in order to compose something coherent from the bible is the same. So he is consistent with the tactics. There certainly was picking and choosing in assembling the bible, and perhaps in writing some of the books, Clearly not enough to make a coherent consistent story though.

[@DanDan-eh7ul]

At least Genesis through 2 Kings has a sort of chronological order to the stories. But yea, every book of the Bible after 2 Kings, old or new testament, don't seem to follow any particular order. And it's certainly not ordered by authorship date

[@torreysauter8954]

I'm recovering from surgery and is been a rough morning. Thank you Dave, hearing creationists get disgustingly wrecked is just what I need today. So awesome, gives me life. Johnny is deserves every moment of it and I'm here for it

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Heal swiftly & feel better soon, I hope! Also hope yr stitches aren’t in areas affected by belly laughs at DI twits!

[@bghiggy]

I'm so happy you're making a video about this guy. He's such a weasel

[@zerofaith]

I absolutely love how mean you are. These people don't deserve respect. Have you thought about going after praiger u? They need to be knocked down, especially since they've made their way into the classroom.

[@SextusHempiryk]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Too political for me, but maybe on day since they are such epic pieces of shit.

[@zerofaith]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains completely understandable but terribly disappointing. Unfortunately we live in a world where being scientifically literate is a political position.

[@hanifarroisimukhlis5989]

​@@ProfessorDaveExplainsAtlease do one about Patrick Moore, or more commonly known as glyphosate chugger.

[@Stiffybeaver]

Disagree, I'm sure you have good reasons other then "being a piece of shit". Would love to see what facts you have to debunk on PragerU (anything religious idc, I'm not religious). Love your videos! Probably watched those Flat Earth videos about 600 times lol

[@BluStarGalaxy]

When the people at the Discovery Institute dream at night they have nightmares about Professor Dave.

[@XraynPR]

Ah yes, the true cinematic experience we've been waiting for. Dave dunks on Dumbness Institute, Season 2

[@tzvikrasner6073]

Dude literally pulled the "there's no evidence if you ignore all the evidence" card *in plain sight* You said the quiet part out loud, bro

[@Sableagle]

Can I used _The Fionavar Tapestry_ and _The Silmarillion_ as evidence?

[@simongiles9749]

@@Sableagle One can observe the morning star, so clearly that is the Silmaril on the prow of Earendil's ship.

[@CJ-6993]

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. --- Upton Sinclair

[@Kim_Lund]

DI: OMG It's a category FIVE DAVE FARINA! Me: *makes popcorn*

[@adriannabcustomfurniture]

I homeschool but I'm not religious. Every single year I talk to the teachers I know to make my own curriculum because ALL OF THE ONES ALREADY MADE ARE RELIGION BASED 🤬 It's so frustrating. My daughter is 10 and she's on the autism spectrum. Public school was not working for her, so now I homeschool and she does private therapy. She's come so far in the last 3 years. Not all homeschool is bad....but these religious homeschoolers give all of us a bad name.

[@AstaraelDarkrahBlack]

I was homeschooled growing up for similar reasons. My Mom started three homeschooling groups and we got driven out for not being Christian each time.

[@knyghtryder3599]

Religion is a disease 🦟

[@TroyLeavitt]

Only 73 students?! How exclusive! I legit Lol'ed three times in this video. Not only are these episodes rich with information, they're entertaining and fun too!

[@Garvity69420]

Good. Keep these con men out of good public standing.

[@user-ee7bz3ip2b]

Steven Meyers managed to slime his way onto Joe Rogan. He got legitimate exposure to millions

[@Garvity69420]

@@user-ee7bz3ip2b damn

[@DrBear-rk4qb]

These propagandists deserve nothing but scorn and mockery. You'd think that if "Intelligent Design" were valid, these lowlifes wouldn't feel the need to lie and slander. That's not how real scientists (or any intellectually honest adults) behave. Great work, Dave! 👍🌻

[@louisjov]

Nice job Dave, you're doing the Lord's work

[@agustinfranco0]

Lord Kelvin, of course.

[@misterfister6096]

lmao 😂😂

[@jameshall1300]

​@@adamwalker3560that makes it harder to justify hating gay people and trans people, because evolution would mean they are products of a natural process that sometimes produces outliers, instead of perfect copies "made in God's image". It's also easier to grift people if they are already used to being spoon fed what they should think and do.

[@jameshall1300]

@@adamwalker3560 young earth creationists are, unfortunately. Many might not be if they weren't indoctrinated from childhood to be that way, but I've yet to find a young earth creationist that doesn't also hate anyone LGBTQ, despite how much they profess to love everyone. I know most Christians aren't that way, but they tend to be much less vocal and dangerous than the YEC variety of Christian.

[@vforwombat9915]

@@adamwalker3560 " according to them, God is an illogical being that goes back " you create a universe. i gotta figure even for advanced hyperintelligent multidimensional beings, that's not a usual thing. maybe you're fiddling around with blackholes or zero point energy, and you decide, 'hey, what if i reverse the stream?' and out pops a universe on the multiversal spacetime bubble. now, you're a multidimensional hyperintelligent being powerful enough to create an entire universe. even if time does not exist in the same way for you that it does for us talking apes, you are still light years ahead of us. my question to YOU, dear reader, is if you did experiments on ants, would you bother to lay down a set of moral laws for the ants? would your regard them with anything other than mild curiosity? would you insert yourself into their lives by, idk, creating a massive worldwide flood to wipe out all but 10 or so of them? we would be nothing but ants to a real God. what is illogical is thinking that he loves us and 'died' for us.

[@grimcity]

Love it! This is my favorite series running right now. The intro truly had me laughing.

[@Zukkoyaki]

Dave went out of his way for the least flattering thumbnail lmao. Not even god can save that hairline.

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

God and evolution combined can't save that hairline

[@gurigura4457]

The thing that gets me is that it's his "official" portrait. It's the one used on the Discovery Institute website. Who could have that taken, and send it off thinking "Yeah, I look great in this"!?

[@jrojala]

@@gurigura4457​​⁠presumably the photos they didn’t use were worse, so we can only conclude that the unflattering photo used is the best he cares to offer. I wonder how many he took before selecting that? Maybe it was just a one and done thing- like maybe he’s *super humble* and doesn’t worry about aesthetics? Lol

[@Z4r4sz]

McLoser started his tirades and rants on twitter, posting screenshots of you and said "you cannot concede the presence of any weaknesses in, or evidence against, your own position". He even owns himself because he is so incredibly oblivious.

[@Z4r4sz]

The end is so epic. McLoser controls both sides of the conversation (on twitter, with himself) but still loses the argument :D

[@mattgyrich1531]

Okay. 'Fan fiction revenge porn' had me hyperventilating.

[@matthewhuston1188]

Goddamn, inject all of these videos directly into my veins. As always, well done Dave!

[@joeye7518]

I always love to see classic PZ dunk on apologists. I'm glad Dave does it these days. PZ is an OG in the field of demolishing creationist.

[@jameshall1300]

Yeah, I recently discovered him too. He seems so soft spoken, but absolutely destroys them and gives zero shits about openy calling them on their BS.

[@thomasgallipoli8376]

Thanks, Dave, once again for exposing them. Much appreciated

[@MythVisionPodcast]

Wow, I find his NT stuff just outright wrong, but it's interesting to see a debunk of the science side of things.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

Yo look who joined the party

[@celestialsatheist1535]

So myth vision you are going to address carriers responses right?

[@MythVisionPodcast]

@celestialsatheist1535 What responses and to who?

[@celestialsatheist1535]

@@MythVisionPodcast carrier to Kipp Davis of course. You sure did platformed Davis's material

[@MythVisionPodcast]

@celestialsatheist1535 I've platformed both guys on my channel and I haven't platformed either guy during this back and forth.

[@OGBIGREYRAY]

Keep them coming! Awesome work! Bravo!

[@magepunk2376]

When I was a Christian, I never watched Dave. Frankly, he scared me. Now that I’m free from religion, I’m eating this stuff up.

[@photonaut_8875]

What on earth would you even be scared about?

[@farkasmactavish]

​​@@photonaut_8875Christian dogmatists use fear of the outgroup to manipulate their following. They bellow about how even listening to non-Christians will send you to Hell (the place that God, who loves you, created to punish you forever if you break even one of his unreasonable rules).

[@martinnyberg6553]

It is so supremely entertaining that those clowns are working so hard to drive massive traffic of their followers to Dave's KZbin channel. Thanks, I guess? 😂

[@emmakelley5371]

I'm not sure who pissed Dave the hell off with these folks but managing to distract an entire creation mill is impressive and genuinely important work

[@wjpjr7854]

Pros for Working at Discovery Institute: Unparalleled job security, minimal workload Cons: Being irredeemably greedy and deceitful This deal is only worth taking if you don't believe you have a soul that will be judged when you die.

[@pureflix8086]

...does it pay well?

[@mattwhite7287]

​@@pureflix8086these asshats probably make 100-500x more than the most accomplished scientists

[@davidfitnesstech]

*Keep it up Professor.* I love how you're *living rent-free* in their so-called "institute" ;-)

[@moon-soon]

I'll have you know that the big boy science kit with the food colouring and plastic test tubes is for adults, my Mummy said so.

[@heyheyhey1481]

No! You must not dabble in that witchcraft! It will corrupt you!

[@darrena2625]

How to completely wipe the floor with someone. Dave does it again.

[@ThomasO2]

I was appalled when I saw his debate with Matt. There are only a few people I find more annoying in a debate than Jonathan.

[@ericpierce3660]

For the number 1 most annoying debater on the planet, I nominate Ben Shapiro.

[@jonfromtheuk467]

it was a car crash....

[@agustinfranco0]

i wonder what newcastle university has to say about his PhD, or at least the director of whichever lab he made a thesis in

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

I would love to talk to whoever was in charge of him.

[@agustinfranco0]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains i hope you can track them down, btw i sent you a mail yesterday about a corporation promoting antivax

[@Certifiedhellfire]

Always have time for a Professor Dave video🎉🎉

[@PhDTony_original]

I always learn something from your content. Thank you.

[@ScottBub]

Clicked as soon as I saw this! Thanks for the next installment!

[@DoctorOnkelap]

Yeah, McUnLatched needs to be criticized more.

[@emekonen]

My lord these are incredible. I live for this Dave

[@NothingPicksLocks]

Great job as always Dave, keep up the good work!

[@MortyCJ]

Dude, you are a saint! And deserve way, way more exposure and larger audience! Keep up to great work!! 👍

[@vejeke]

🤣 This guy literally rage quit in the middle of a debate with an atheist because the atheist was making points too good for him.

[@tiagorosolen]

I listen to Dave's debunks while working because it's both informing and absolutely entertaining.

[@weston8400]

3:37 couldn’t help but crack a big smile at the science kit bit. Had to set my drink down for a second. Great stuff.

[@corys9521]

I feel secondhand burns when you shit talk homeschoolers with their food coloring science kits and Bible colleges. But because of people like you, I’m not an idiot any more!

[@midlander4]

Dave you are getting better and better and better

[@sticks1990]

Hey Dave! Looking great and sounding even better! Keep up the phenomenal work, I look forward to your takedown videos more than anything. Thanks for helping my blood pressure down.

[@banquorebuechett9914]

Thank you Dave. You explain stuff brilliantly. You are totally needed!

[@emeraldspark101]

Fun fact: the DI's full name is the Discovery Institute for Creationist Knowledge and Science

[@analternatemultiverse2063]

So my school is falling into the DI propganda now too. They showed us a video from Meyer on intelligent design.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

Holy shit you need to complain to anyone who will listen. That’s child abuse. Or demand that they show my debunks of them too. That’s totally insane.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

Which school?

[@analternatemultiverse2063]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains Unfortunately I was born and have been raised in a highly alt-right christian household and area. My school hasn't usually fallen into christian propaganda until now. I don't think anyone will actually listen or care and call me some evil materialist satan lover. It's fucked up, but I'm graduating this year anyway and moving a few states away for college. Nobody in my family or school is even aware that I'm an atheist and in this area it's like coming out as gay or trans in a conservative KKK area or something.

[@analternatemultiverse2063]

@@celestialsatheist1535 Obviously I can't give away that as it's personal info, but as I've said in my latest reply it's a highly alt-right christian extremist area. My school usually wasn't like this until now. Probably something to do with a new mandate or whatever.

[@analternatemultiverse2063]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains I've also recently discovered that a certain shouting, lying origin of life hating fraud happens to live not too far away from me, which is not too shocking to say the least.

[@TecTitan]

Youve got the most casual kaiba voice going and its perfect for this. Also Matt ripped that guy's manhood right off as politely as possible. That was so amazing.

[@bootskanchelsis3337]

McLatchie is really creepy.... his demeanor has creeped me out ever since the first time I saw him.

[@Stevarious]

"It doesn't matter how often it happens, it only ever had to happen once!" Destroys like 80% of their arguments.

[@Schizniit]

Lol I love how you promised that you would be the first one to pop up when searching "discovery institute" and now you can't even type that without "prof dave explains" coming up to autocomplete. Keep up the good work of exposing these raving theocrats, it's becoming increasingly important to stop them in any possible way.

[@CharlesHuckelbery]

Great video. Thanks for your efforts and energy

[@Jrez]

this series really is the gift that keeps on giving. It's like Christmas year round!

[@huskymcfluff]

I thought I'd seen this guy before. Alex O'Connor debated him at one point and asked a hypothetical question that McLatchie sheepishly refused to answer. You could see it on his face, and you could hear it in his voice -- he knew he'd been cornered, and his response was to tuck tail and flee. I almost felt bad for the guy, but this video reminds me of why I just can't.

[@isidoreaerys8745]

This guy and Lawrence Krauss eviscerating Stephen Meyer are great examples of a Human being just absolutely shutting down from coming too close to confronting their completely delusional worldview.

[@huskymcfluff]

@@isidoreaerys8745 I'll have to look for that. I haven't seen it.

[@user-vm5yk2js6w]

Christians like this Dr. Jonathan McLatchie here became lately "experts" in evolution, in homosexuality, in archaeology, in anything, to save their Gospels and willing to destroy everything around them for reaching their delusional target.

[@inappropriatejohnson]

Thanks again, Dave. Keep up the good fight.

[@disgracetologic]

Another amazing responds. Thank you for this.

[@moojoos4496]

God obviously put Dave on this Earth to torture these muppets.

[@tgrogan6049]

One of my biggest problems with Christian apologists and pseudoscientists is their willingness to out right lie by omission or commission. Thanks for pointing this out.

[@johndaybreak1317]

When i first found your channel (flat earth debate and the vids) since english is my second language i didnt really understand anything, but since then learning the words and researching them, helped me understand these videos so much more. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work.

[@DeAlpineBro]

It's great learning something new from your videos, Dave. Thanks again for making this interesting.

[@nitsujism]

That photo of McLatchie looks like an AI generated take on a Simpson's character. If I hadn't already seen the debate where Dillahunty panned him into the ground like a tent peg, I'd have sworn he wasn't real.

[@pureflix8086]

Moe Syzlak

[@devinsethna1287]

Bro in the thumbnail looks like an offbrand Bill Oakley from Better Call Saul 💀

[@jcuhtred3569]

I really enjoy listening to your takedowns, keep up the good work 👏

[@PHDinADHD]

Been waiting for this one.

[@simonjorge9850]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah nice, something to watch over my morning coffee. What a great way to start the day, thanks Dave

[@o84naturalista]

These videos are amazing!

[@TheBakedPotato10]

Ha came back to this channel after an year like last week (wanted more quality content) so happy to see a new episode of my favorite series right after I’m back

[@plantbasedstrength8590]

The content here is just so much fun! Thanks, Dave 🤙❤

[@robertlafleche3584]

I love the 4 part series Stephen Meyer did with James Tour , responding to the debate . It was literally just a long drawn out therapy Session for James. I guess Meyer was trying to help him get his Colon back to normal size. 😂

[@TwoToneWalt]

Discovery Institute, the gift that keeps on giving. 😆

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

I'm ripping that off!

[@SextusHempiryk]

the grift rather XD

[@rosuobs3972]

Another excellent episode Dave thanks, really enjoyed that, three cheers to you

[@AleisterCrowleyMagus]

Professor Dave you are SO mean! And…we are so here for it!! Please don’t change a thing! Thank you for exposing the maniac James Tour - that was the worst behavior I’ve ever seen from a tenured faculty member at a school like Rice. That was just stunning, and Rice should be humiliated. Smdh. Also as a Ph D. myself there should be an abstract for this dude McLatchie’s degree available online as it’s de rigueur even for degrees from the “analog” days - even abstracts from the analog days are placed online by accredited universities - his alma mater should have an abstract available somewhere or else there is something very odd w/his “degree”..)Thank you sir for fighting the good fight, and it’s been lovely to see your channel expand!! Bravo sir!!

[@roberthiers3460]

From Newcastle University "However, full text Newcastle University theses are gradually being made available online. Where the full text is available, there will be a link to it from the Library Search record." Will be fun to monitor to see when this one is available.