ExpressLRS AIO In Action // 35mm Props // Meteor 65 Pro

[@BengalCatChilli]

ELRS is taking over. Goodbye FRSKY 😅 The vtx looks really solid.

[@Sully365]

No doubt, especially for whoops

[@nicefpv8436]

I still love frsky

[@Adam_Carbone]

The 0802 motors are a great fit for this configuration with those props. It is awesome that these smaller quads are starting to include VTXs capable of 350mW, probably great for penetration especially indoors at 200mW compared to 25mW. The tune looks amazing from the DVR flight footage, and as you mentioned the wide angle view has its advantages and disadvantages on a tiny quad like this. The quad has a decent amount of Power and nice speed too, awesome flying! Flight time is pretty good for the racing type of flight that you demonstrated too. I think that the 22g weight is definitely acceptable for the conponents used on this build, penetration is also great for the size and lower mW setting than usual. ELRS is definitely the future of protocols especially for long range and Whoop applications. Thanks for the review!

[@slackerinmotion]

To help secure the ceramic antenna on ELRS receivers, I usually put some Welder type glue on the base of the square antenna so it'll hold onto the board better during crashes. Go ELRS! Go HDZero!

[@OrtexVideos]

Just got mine and its great! Heads up to make sure to snug up the motor screws or loctite them because one of my motors vibrated loose and I lost all 3 screws.

[@RoyceWilliamscustomurl]

This has happened on both of my BetaFPV drones. Hx115s... An HD and a LR

[@tonymorgan328]

Yeah, same here, checking them constantly.

[@xMikeDx]

I really appreciate this video, I'm waiting on this to get here and its my first drone and the elrs 2.4 module from betafpv, so I'm super stoked. Been practicing with my tx16s on a sim and having a blast and with winter coming to boot.

[@Shauny_D]

Whoop whoop! for IGOW3!

[@valden]

definitely will have to pick up a couple of these frames to toy with. thanks nick!

[@Kettenhund75]

10:46 SWEET! Ultra fancy flying there, NB.

[@beratsbuilds]

That was a nice flowy line 👌

[@MCsCreations]

Awesome little whoop, Nick! Fantastic flying and review!!! 😃 I agree about the lens, too much fisheye... But the camera itself isn't bad! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@rustumlaattoe]

I started thinking about one of these for about an hour today after I landed my mobula6 in the sink. Luckily after it dried out completely it flies again without any issues. So i'm thinking about a flywoo baby nano for outdoors instead 😄

[@z506fpv5]

Orca’s DVR looks so good, great review made me want to fly whoops again.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yea, that 60fps is nice.

[@artifixprime]

Thanks for the VTX test. It would be a pain to check out, but I'd be curious to know how much of the reception is purely down to the VTX power and how much is the Rapidfire module? e.g. if you used older (or cheaper!) goggles/receiver, how much worse would it be?

[@cedricgrandseigne]

The quality of vidéo feedback won't drastcally change from a 20$ eachine receiver to a 150$ one, what changes is the availabity of the picture. With picture fusion from the top receiver, you don't loose picture while moving from Rx1 to Rx2 and vice versa, as both module are always in use. Good antennas are more important.

[@ooOoo.....]

Your flying skills are insane! I tried flying my Moblite7 indoors a few days ago and it didn’t go well 🤣 Thanks for another great review!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

It all takes time and crashes 🤣

[@imothy]

I know you like to fly these quads on stock settings to demo what other people may experience, but I think this guy would benefit from a little PID tune in betaflight. Just nudge the master multiplier up a couple notches and I bet that outdoor bobble and any dive washouts will clear right up!

[@johncarold]

Hi Nick Great video and review of the meteor 65 ELRS. I have been flying crossfire for years and I have been finding issues with it and I have been thinking about switching over to ELRS. I just have to try something. Thanks again for the video and information

[@Fr3ud]

Wouldn’t going too lightweight be an issue for handling ?

[@t0tobi]

Got mine this week, man the cam is really bad. Don't understand why they would put a 16:9 cam into a "pro" Model. All "Pros" that I know fly a 4:3 Goggle.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I only fly 16:9 on vista based quads and then only about 50% of the time

[@FireN2k9]

I like 16:9 more, because a humans fov is more like 16:9 than 4:3 and I'm used to it too.

[@nitsud77]

Man u lost a alot of lbs u look great was watching some of ur older videos (im a new subscriber) and u look great and seem happier an even more upbeat in ur videos keep up with the great content!! Also just bought a mobula6 because of ur insight for a winter ripper

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you. I have spent about 8months working on my weight. Whoops are really fun something I enjoy most days 😁

[@boostinjdm]

Good to hear the weight loss is on purpose. I wanted to say something, but you didn't seem to mention it in your videos and I didn't want to bring it up if you were sick or something.

[@nitsud77]

@@NickBurnsFPV keep it up man u only have 1 body. Yeah im new to fpv i have a few dji. But fpv is entirely different. Got some hd3 and learning slowly. Cant get enough tbh. Love the content. Keep er going!

[@klent336]

Beatiful report. Really helpes me

[@D18racer51]

I want to know about the specs on the nick burns edition build you showed there at the end🤔😂 daily driver whoop? Great video as always!

[@bixlix]

Seems like newbeedrone motors and propps mobula 7 frame and crux canopy, ant lite camera and the same betafpv fc, just guessing!

[@weBLEEDfpv]

Thanks! Nick! 🔥 much appreciated ✊

[@NickBurnsFPV]

More to come 😁

[@johndextersantos9541]

The lens distortion is due to the fact that the camera is 16:9. . when used with the appropriate screen/goggles it does not look as bad.

[@pksteffen]

Great review as always. Good BNF for most if you have ELRS. Too heavy for my liking, but just swap out canopy, camera and solder as you say. Love their frames for weight/durability. Never keen on their cameras but that fish eye is too much.

[@danfarley5863]

I really want to get into elrs for my yard rippers. Is it as easy as getting the module for the back of my tx and just binding up ? I can see me getting this whoop and making it into a 40mm yard dart lol

[@NickBurnsFPV]

We do have to set a model file to use the external radio as well as the protocol of crossfire. Of course we have to setup the other model file setting just like we would for any quad. But yea that’s about it. If we want to manipulate the mw or hz of the module we can do that via the lua script we put in the tools directory or if we have a module with a screen or button we can use that

[@tonymorgan328]

It's really nice to not have antenna wires sticking out of the kwad. Makes for a real clean setup.

[@Cre8ionz.]

13:36 min - lol I have exactly the same max deg/s for Roll & Pitch 😂

[@ddmt111]

Do you how to fix the "used mah" counter? Mine has the wrong counter too

[@dubzsquaredfpv7171]

I appreciate how you show us under the hood in your videos. This one looks interesting. I wonder if the UZ65 FC would also work on this frame.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The uz65 fc should mount up just fine. Also the others that are in the cross shape.

[@FpvBudgetBuilds]

What - No Stickers? 😃. I have two of the BetaFpv 65mm whoops and am not really a fan of the cameras so far. That VTX is cool for a whoop. I just got my first ELRS quad (Flywoo Firefly Nano Baby) so I'm sure ELRS conversions on all my others will be happening soon. Great Review Nick.

[@Pozzix65]

Very good...have u used BJ fw for the esc's or this is stock fw?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Product reviews are nearly stock except for my rates and osd elements/locations

[@bbsheppo]

Great review as always 👍

[@Pilot_X_indonesia]

Is it 16:9 video? I think it stretch up dan down

[@Kettenhund75]

Doesn't running props reversed reduce prop washout?

[@valden]

Hey there Nick, so I got this quad, but I am having the props rubbing on the frame out of the box. Any tips for getting it fixed? Should I just try a new frame? I was thinking about trying to file down the ducts a bit. Thanks!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

If I recall correctly mine did the same. I flew it a few packs and the props wore down naturally. If yours won't fly due to the rubbing we might be able to recenter the motor in its mount, but otherwise it should clear itself

[@MickRatanapanyo]

hey Nick, Mick here.. just saw this vid! RE: "yaw washout" mentioned in this video.. I've managed the weed out my Flywoo Baby HD from freaking out down mid-dives (I think it's the same as yaw washout) by using the Gemfan 40mm bi-blade props. PID tuning helped, but created problems elsewhere. Lemme know if a bi-blade fixes yours

[@dronefilmsgermany]

Does it bind via betaflight to the radiomaster boxeer? I have ordered a meteor 65 Pro ELRS version and a Radiomaster Boxeer inbuilt ELRS Version

[@NickBurnsFPV]

any elrs based receiver can bind to any elrs radio or module as long as they are one the same major version of elrs.

[@Shauny_D]

Can you see if those props fit in a mob6 frame? Or just other 65mm frames? 4mm doesn't sound like much opposed to 31mm but I think it would be significant.

[@atzod]

they dont fit

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I can confirm they don't :(

[@ProjectMockingbird]

So, it must be a new frame to swing those 35mm props. I did notice in your video it seemed to handle putting the power on in the corners a bit better than 31mm and it's good to see another company try to do 35mm. I would personally put on TW 22k or HM 22k motors as they don't eat batteries as much and use a 260 to race. At 22g, it's not horrible, but 20g is about right...and honestly I don't think I've ever lost a race because I was 22g vs an 18g whoop, but yeah, if you are all equally matched in skill and never crash, maybe a lighter whoop helps...I just think we get too hung up on it. ;) I've been taking a break so not up on things, but I thought I heard you can't put Emu on this FC yet? That would be sad as this could be a great setup for Emu just like the NBD one, but no Emu makes it hard to keep it around. And to be totally honest, I think they should ditch that heavy and big VTX and make a super light 25mw one for racers...but I get it. Oh, and terrible antenna placement :P

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yes, my understanding EMU doesn't support ELRS aio yet. Also we can't update the elrs rx on the board until betaflight is updated, this seeminly put EMU behind being able to support elrs for a time, but that time could be short as development can happen at any time. :)

[@MrPrr0]

I was ready to buy a mobula6 ELRS base on Nicks review and now Nick post another amazing review, need help, Mobula6 ELRS or BetaFPV 65 ELRS?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

If you can I suggest waiting about 2 weeks. :) There is a new whoop on the way, I don't know the specs or have it yet, but I would think it would be better than the mobula 6 elrs, at least longer flight times.

[@RoyceWilliamscustomurl]

@@NickBurnsFPV 🎉💯💥⚡👃

[@RCRitterFPV]

careful they also have ELRS 915 or 2.4 whoops. almost bought a 915 that was on crazy sale...

[@Cre8ionz.]

No current sensor I guess ? Killing packs more often then..

[@transitionfpv6707]

to use outside is elrs and 350mw

[@Kettenhund75]

Have you ever had to do the walk of shame into your neighbors yard? ;)

[@Fr3ud]

Too many times on my end 😅

[@redbeastfool]

Thinking about getting this or the acrobee65 what should I get?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Its a bit of a rough choice, based on flight performance in 65mm, the meteor65 pro is better. Support if the product were to arrive faulty, likely acrobee.

[@redbeastfool]

Awesome thank you!

[@gdrummer3929]

Any idea why this drone would take off on its own? Like the idle is too high. It’s set at 5.5%. The throttle low is 1000 in the receivers tab

[@gdrummer3929]

Also, lowering the idle % does nothing. Running betaflight 4.3.0 rc3

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Does it truely take off or Bounce around on the ground? Maybe damaged props causing vibration and the “take off”?

[@gdrummer3929]

It takes off. I sent a video to beta fpv and they said it was a bad fc. they said they would send me a new one but never heard back from them. I would share the video with you but not sure how.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@gdrummer3929 keep after them and document. They committed we have to hold them to their commitment.

[@gdrummer3929]

Oh I will. I’ve had some problems with a few of their products and they are usually on the ball and helpful. I’ve had to rebuild the 85x pusher before the first flight. I usually repair them myself but firmware doesn’t seem to fix this one. I can’t wait to fly it someday! Lol

[@junglistfpv8553]

Still trying to figure out if a whoop is for me. Tried it in the sim but I could not get the hang of it sadly. Really missing the momentum. Are whoops just not for me? Looking for a winter flyer but my house also isn't that big!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Whoops are very different…especially outside. Much more generally accepted in confined spaces or indoor where larger propped quads are less viable

[@slackerinmotion]

Do not get discouraged. I practiced indoor whoop flying on angle mode; got comfortable. When I switched to acro mode, I was all over the place and broke the frame multiple places multiple times. One day, I flew straight without crashing; I made a turn without crashing. Finally, I flew one lap inside my house without crashing. That's how I started. Plus, the "walk of shame" is much shorter. Do not get discouraged.😉

[@junglistfpv8553]

@@NickBurnsFPV No doubt! They certainly have advantages I just dont seem to be able to fly them well!

[@junglistfpv8553]

@@slackerinmotion I will try not to get discouraged! :)

[@Cre8ionz.]

18:06 min - removing the motors plugs saves about 1 gram..

[@dropfile]

I'm sorry is the question is silly but what do you do to see your battery voltage recovery after a flight? I see only post-flight stats on my OSD. thank you.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

move the right stick full up and release. It will go back to the normal screen

[@dropfile]

@@NickBurnsFPV Thank you!

[@BabaSlap]

Hey Nick, is this "prop scratching" going to stop anytime ? I kind of have a feeling that mine is scratching the frame too hard, even while im just on the ground and only armed. When I fly it you can kind of feel the resistance of the props

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Mine stopped or at the very least it became much less audible. If your feeling motor response issues check the motors for hairs or “debris”. That can have an impact

[@BabaSlap]

​@@NickBurnsFPV Okay, thanks will do that later :)

[@SergioLopez-vu5lv]

Hello mr burns I gust my mete 65 pro after watching ur video did u have to update the firmware on the fc board to get it fly myne won’t arm it’s says bad rx when I arm on

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I didn't have to flash mine, at the time expresslrs was all on the same version. Is yours the expresslrs version? If so we likely have to flash either the quad or the radio/module to ensure they are both on the same major version of expresslrs. Major versions being the first number 1.x or 2.x. generally in the same major version they are all compatible.

[@SergioLopez-vu5lv]

@@NickBurnsFPV thank you my module is 2.4 the pro firmware 4.3 .0

[@SergioLopez-vu5lv]

Ho do I find out what version of express elrs the pro has

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@SergioLopez-vu5lv To my knowledge the only way to know is to flash elrs on the device. In the case of a micro quad with and all in one flight controller we have to flash the betaflight version. Before flashing our micro quad we need to save a backup file to restore the settings after flashing, we often call this a diff. We use the betaflight app with the quad usb connection, go to the cli page and type "diff", then click the button to save the output to a file. We use this file after flashing to return our settings, but we still need to bind again, unless we are using passphrase binding which is automatic with both the quad and the radio powered on.

[@SergioLopez-vu5lv]

@@NickBurnsFPV thank I will do all this

[@mr.slater4577]

Maybe someone can explain me this in a few sentences as I was "away" from the hobby for a few years: I need the ELRS module which fits into the back of my Taranis x9d --> update it --> and bind it with a whoop like the given one in the video using the ELRS protocol? After that I should be ready to go? Thanks alot in advance

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yea, that is the general premise. We might not have to update the module, but its likely a good idea.

[@Switch180fpv]

The vtx is great 👍

[@leonardovallecillo5303]

How to bind I have radio master zorro elrs v2.0 but is imposible to bind this quad whit my radio I believe the quad spi reciver is version 1.0

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Is there a step in the instructions that don't match up to your experience or where they just don't work? How to bind is question with many questions inside

[@Barks_Bridge_Dog_Training]

If you didnt sort it.. Update to betaflight 4.3 then it definitely runs on 2.0.

[@thom_kite]

Does the beta fpv controler works with this drone ?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The one with expresslrs yes.

[@slackerinmotion]

I learned to fly whoops indoors on angle mode. After dozen packs and a few repairs on the whoop frame, I can confidently fly acro mode indoors...but nowhere near Nick's skill level 👍 Go ELRS! Go HDZero!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

As is this hobby keep going and you will surpass me in no time 💯

[@junekevinornido]

do you have any upgarde on that?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

No, its flown as it comes from the manufacturer

[@thfpv4974]

Nice review nick 👍🏼

[@scottmilano2940]

Just got a new betafpv aio with elrs, and the elrs wouldn’t show up on Wifi for me to update, so I did just use the bind button in betaflight. Can it be flashed?

[@schugabe]

To update elrs on a aio you need to update betaflight

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yes we don’t flash elrs on aio with elrs configurator, we have to flash all of betaflight. At this time I don’t think there is more to flash with betaflight being on 4.3 for these AIO elrs boards

[@scottmilano2940]

@@NickBurnsFPV Next question if you have time, did you get bidirectional d-shot working on this quad? If I enable it, the motor count goes to 0. I loaded up bluejay 0.14, and still no bidirectional d-shot.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@scottmilano2940 I have not worked on getting bidirectional d-shot working. I am not certain, but I wonder if the esc on this aio isn't supported yet.

[@stelic9515]

Thanks for sharing

[@PoodlehawkFPV]

I like the fishbowl effect

[@RCRitterFPV]

as soon as an elrs module gets to me... I'll be ordering one of those... bangood being bangod...

[@MrBinFPV]

i just bought new glasses and turns out they look almost exactly like yours lol

[@FrequentFlyerRC]

I'm guessing CCD cams in these small whoops are not gonna happen. Cool review Nick 👍🏾

[@cedricgrandseigne]

Such a shame they didn't follow the uz65 path, we could have had new electronics choices. I love this size so much, that I made a 2 bladed version with 22000kv motors, and a 2s version with 14000kv motors (UZ65 electronics takes 2s)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

do you mean they didn't make it 1s and 2s, or that it has 35mm props and a smaller center body to be a 65mm with those larger props.

[@cedricgrandseigne]

@@NickBurnsFPV they made it bigger than a 65mm to fit normal electronics. So Eachine is still the only manufacturer to offer a slim board.

[@cedricgrandseigne]

@@NickBurnsFPV but I think I will order some frame to make a 2s HDzero whoop, hopefully the new hdzero whoop board will fit, and the extra lift provided by 35mm prop could make the extra weight seemless :-)

[@jermadjesty]

Mine had prop strike right out of the box :-/

[@jermadjesty]

front right mostly - looks like yours also has some wear lines where it was touching originally (inside towards the FC)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yep. I think I wore it down. When I spun them by hand I could tell which prop was striking.

[@pirateradioFPV]

I’ve only flown stabilized in the simulator. Never IRL 👀😂

[@trajanfpv]

Vtx looks good but the camera distortion is alarming. That would be the first thing that went.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yep it will be an issue for some for sure

[@Pilot_X_indonesia]

Wait.... 4.46 volt???

[@xfOL.]

shaving connectors from the board and motors will save you 0.7-0.8 gramms

[@codyessay2240]

Been wondering on other builds what weight savings that would be thanks man!

[@jakestyles002]

That locked in camera angle is a huge bummer, otherwise, this bird looks pretty sweet.

[@puntenpol]

he might have lost a few pounds, but he certainly didnt loose his skills !

[@Cre8ionz.]

15:47 min - The VTX is gonna overheat real easy 🔥 / or cook the AIO FC 😂

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I can't be certain as I have only flown quads with two of them and not in the summer heat. If they are similar to the eachine nano vtx I have had good luck with them.

[@samuelepaganoni9741]

I prefer 4:3 camera viewed in 16:9 goggles than 16:9 camera in 16:9 goggles 😀 the picture is stretched but I don't loose vertical fov

[@Dealindustries]

👍

[@djs134]

Seems like they picked the worst possible place for the express antenna.

[@Translucentism]

Damn, when did you get so lean?

[@snrgevosmith6663]

lol $1/minute flight with all the lights in the house on.

[@abruptlyblunt]

your piloting ability is amazing, your videos are almost making me want to start flying again, if i hadn't given all my quad stuff away i would probably go for it but i can't afford to buy more and there is still the reason out there that i quit over, the government and faa scam bs. it reminds me about all the lies they were spewing that drones being flown by hobbyist were colliding with aircraft as their excuses to over reach into our hobby when the truth is in the only drone aircraft collision on record the drone was flown by law enforcement, sorry it's still a sore subject with me. can you tell....lol

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you. I still hold out hope all this faa/regs will pass without "passing" and we can get back to not worrying about it.

[@michaelmatthews6421]

🤔

[@in_novikov]

you have a niciest neighbors)

[@sunshowlu]

You're Not flying in acro Mode....delete the airmode in betaflight..

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yes I am flying in acro mode. Air mode is a function keeping the props spinning at zero throttle. Without airmode at zero throttle we lose control of the quad.

[@carlhall2563]

First

[@MatveyTsivinyuk]

battery == crap