Roger Hallam - Why International Rebellion? - Extinction Rebellion

Roger Hallam from Extinction Rebellion explains the concept behind the forthcoming International Rebellion starting from April 15, 2019. (recorded April 6th 2019)
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[@waynemorris6907]

Heard about XR literally 48 hours ago... went to my first meeting this morning and going to legal observation training tomorrow in preparation for Monday 15th. Never felt such purpose and determination. X

[@RobinBoardmanUK]

Good man! This is it

[@IckyTzatziki]

You're ready!

[@davidhey7017]

It's time!

[@100swalks]

@@davehamand9831 it's inconvenient for sure, but how do you propose to reverse global warming within 30 years? This is all we have before the world is uninhabitable. It needs fundamental change; are you confident in our government's will and power to do this? Food shortages are predicted within 10 years; what is your solution?

[@SamKGrove]

@@100swalks, you can't, but nature will.

[@carolynkimbrey1423]

I was just saying the other day that this sort of protest no longer happened...apathy had set in..yet here you are!!!! Thumbs up. If you don;t like the disruption now...you're going to HATE the disruption caused by us all going over the climate tipping point...

[@J.P_INC.]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[@user-dy9sn1vo6n]

I wish to be in London or somewhere else where there is some action... :( YOU'RE SO WONDERFUL

[@user-hw9vl3qo6l]

Where do you live? XR ist active in many Countrys, they need to grow! So if you live in a small city in Germany or something, than you can plan some XR actions!

[@susijenkins8264]

Roger what an impressive position. I had no idea that you are pivotal in the Extinction Rebellion until I was wondering why I can't speak to you about my veg bag for tomorrow . You are amazing.

[@shadowofmyfutureself]

Marvellous. Exciting. And successful

[@robertpoen5383]

Been waiting 40 years for this. Glad I lived long enough to see it take off... abrazos a todos!

[@RayT70]

This is the type of stuff that needed to happen 50 years ago. I wish you guys all the best. Left a 👍 and subscribed.

[@roselawson277]

Great presentation! Thank you Sir

[@100swalks]

I am new to 'the truth'; it's overwhelming and really helpful to understand the philosophy underpinning XR. Popular People Power! Fun is key to maintaining the growth and energy of the movement...

[@EnvironmentalCoffeehouse]

Thanks Roger!

[@ladyfaye8248]

This civil disobedience plan is DEFINITELY A GREAT PLAN. I hope, maybe in some small way I have managed to raise awareness of this world emergency, through my 'standing local activism' out here in the sticks of UK, and thus helped grow the numbers of people who will join you in London, which I wish I could do. Supporting you from a distance anyway.

[@mutely7152]

Thankyou x😀😀😀😀

[@beehippie]

Hi Roger, thank you so much for this video. I would like to offer the idea that there IS a fourth option. That of individual choice. If everyone went vegetarian, there would be no demand for meat. Cows would stop being raised for meat thus cutting methane production. Similarly, if every individual decided to stop burning fossil fuel, they could give up plastic, get rid of their car, use bicycle and wood fire to heat. Leave te city and go to the countryside and plant vegetables. I can see that this is idealistic and obviously is not as easy as it sounds, but I do believe that this fourth option needs to be talked about as it gives people real, personal options to make a change within their en life which impacts the wider world immediately. I still agree that the XR project is important and the civil disobedience protest is a very good option, which yes, as many people should come to as possible. But it is not the only option to make change. Thank you

[@christinahespe2907]

Yes, but veganism not vegetarianism.

[@MatthewMcVeagh]

If everyone went vegetarian that's not individual choice. That's systemic change.

[@Kaliashdevi]

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.' Martin Luthar King Jr. Go for it! I'm too old now and out of the UK but was protesting in Trafalgar Square in the sixties! LOVE! X

[@ajmacconville1]

This is amazing, he sets it out so well. I like him saying to sceptics, that yeah, it might not work but its still a good bet and there is reason to think that it could work. Its not like continuing what we are doing is getting us very far

[@thomasr7129]

It is better than the alternative. By far.

[@fluffymushy9]

Thank you for all your hard work and for this clear and eloquent explanation video, I've shared it with many. It's educational, easy to understand, and accessible for those who may be in two minds about participating.

[@J.P_INC.]

He's a nut job seeking fame and attention.

[@spannabird7789]

Thanks Roger....See you there!!

[@wildandbarefoot]

I became an activist 30 years ago. Arrested a lot of Times. Totally agree mass Arrest is the Best most Logical option at this point. Nothing Left but to put bodies where Mouths is at. It will work. Came to same conclusion as RH back in the 90s. Nothing chances without Activism and Commitment.

[@kw2142]

what a legend

[@jayarava]

I'm not well enough to join in the fun, but I support XR as best I can and I look forward to watching the news that week.

[@jessenoell2154]

Heroes of the ultimate challenge!

[@BudahOfBirmingham]

I aim to find like minded people and do an XR action in Birmingham. XR are brilliant and our best chance of change. Budah of Birmingham

[@DennisMoore664]

Don't think I'll be quitting my job, but see ya'll on the 20th here in the states.

[@Andronicus88]

"sometimes things are the most important thing in the world and.. This is!"

[@Nissearne12]

Like your explanation.

[@patersjy]

Bloody brilliant.

[@grannyjudi1]

I am here in western ny very rural...but I support this all the way. I agree...I was at first earth day....and what has happened since? what are we leaving our children and grandchildren? Today I read...a mural appeared on climate extinction i London... yes yes yes...what else can we do?

[@robertcircleone]

The problem that has to be overcome is public apathy.

[@ellaeastburn6210]

Amazing giving us all hope of survival

[@constructioneerful]

I had thought we should negotiate for an all powerful ministry of climate change, modelled on something like a ministry of war that likely existed in WW1 and 2. But it turns out things depend actually on the Prime Minister being totally committed to the problem, so much so that you don’t need a specific ministry.. see this quote about Churchill.. “When Winston Churchill became Prime Minister during 1940, he bypassed the War Office (much reduced in importance since WW1) altogether and appointed himself Minister of Defence (though there was, curiously, no ministry of defence until 1947).”

[@everyc.6539]

i believe in this. we need radical change and action, NOW

[@invisible1898]

Well done by the way!

[@constructioneerful]

Mini seminars please ..podium in the street....I’d like one explaining maybe the enormous and seemingly improbable amounts of carbon capture that paris targets depend on.

[@toma1783]

I have suggestion which I would be very keen to share and explore when I arrive in London on the 17th with the team....a little late but I'll be there! I'm listening to what you're saying and it's resonating. Douglas Rushkoff has also got lots of amazing ideas and insights in helping me understand the way of the world and where things need to change. In conjunction, I'm reading a book "thank you for being late"- Thomas L. Friedman. I feel like the blueprints for huge global change are being set out for us. The solution for global change is in technology. Dear Mr. Hallam, I am greatly encouraged by your involvement and your words and look forward to standing beside you and learning from you in the weeks that follow. Humbly, I believe that Extinction Rebellion are missing a trick, based upon what I'm learning in Freidman's book. What we have available to us now, with technology, our connectivity around the world...almost everyone has a mobile phone with internet. We didn't have this tool to our disposal even 10-15 years ago. We don't have to wait for France or the US or the rest of the western world to see us on the news. This is a global issue. If we recruited some smart tech people to create an Ap we could implement a global movement, empowering anyone who wants to participate in this movement the chance to create their own time and location for their own act of mass civil disobedience. Rather than shutting down parliament square, what if we shut down every major airport in the world...for example. I just returned to the UK from living in Chiang Mai, Thailand for 18 months. It's Armageddon there, the air quality is horrendous. I imagine a technology which allows all of the people that can see what has happened to the world in our own short lifetimes, we can see the scientific evidence and see that a catastrophic end is quickly approaching. WE CAN ALL SEE IT! Technology can connect and mobilise the world. My idea... A mobile phone Ap that has a value system of togetherness, collaboration, and other spiritual values that our species we can build upon to create our new future. The main function- to cause mass civil disruption as quickly and effectively and peacefully as possible. Across the world. The ap uses google maps like software co-ordinated mass disruption, across major cities across the world. Thailand cares, China cares, Australia, Fiji, Bali, India....everyone cares! We know this. We can use technology to make this possible. We need to try a more global disruptive approach. Time is of the essence. People all over the world, need to given the chance to save the future of our species and the future of the planet. Protesting in the streets has been ineffective. Shutting down the economies countries using the technology that we already have might just make enough disruption to make change. Thank you to Extinction Rebellion. See you in London!

[@fluffymushy9]

Please bring this idea to a people's assembly during the rebellion. I would contact XR directly (look on our website). I'm using 'our' not 'their' in reference to XR, because it is ours.

[@hend1n1]

"A mobile phone Ap" that's tracked by MI6 NSA etc... targetting people when they're not in big groups, picking you off 1 by 1?

[@dalenorman9052]

The blind faith in "technology" is old order thinking. It's like a religion. If it is possible to stop Global Warming in time to save the human race and the biosphere from the Venus Syndrome, it will not be by doing something new. The evidence can have no other sensible interpretation: human industry is the main source of atmospheric carbon dioxide which is the main cause of Global Warming. The evidence says one thing clearly, STOP DOING the things that are killing us. But the addict can't stop. The "do something" crew will be the death of us all. If there is a solution to the Global Warming problem, it cannot be by creating more industry, that is "old order thinking." When you have dug yourself into a hole you can't get out of, the first thing to do is stop digging. Technology is a shovel. How to you use a shovel to stop digging. Unfortunately, Mr. Askew is in denial and has little notion of the severity of the problem. He seems to think, like most people, that Global Warming is like other problems humans have had to solve in the past. He seems to think that it is now as it has always been, that we can solve this problem too with the usual can do spirit and white-man genius and technology, when this is what has caused the problem in the first place. That's old order thinking; that's denial. Hardship is coming and we are not going to migrate to Mars. It's time wake up. Global Warming is a problem of proscription and LEADERSHIP, which is why we are doomed.

[@LukeFlegg]

Interesting. Also agree Douglas Rushkoff / Team Human is great (I'll check out Thank you for being late) but tech is always seen as the magic cure-all and every app idea has been had by 1000 people, the challenge is to actually build it, get people to know about it, use it and keep using it, fund it, fix it, maintain it, improve it. Also, no app alone has ever transformed the world for the better, without there also being a cultural/ offline shift too.

[@ALEXANDERSEGHERS]

Res Non Verba ! Thank You !

[@constructioneerful]

Also, will the negotiations be.. or should they be... behind closed doors? A live KZbin video stream feed would be good but I realise this could be a bit alarming to various vested interests..

[@forestdweller5581]

Sounds like a well thought out plan to me Roger. Is there any correlation with the schoolkids for climate justice? It would be good to have them on board, i would send them an invitation. Hopefully they are already planning to attend on the 15th and benefiting from your experience on effective system change..

[@fluffymushy9]

Sorry I'm not Roger answering, hopefully he can give you a better answer. This is set for the whole of the Easter holidays, so it is perfect for children and teachers (like myself) to go. I am expecting to see a lot of families and school children there. This is for the whole community. Strictly non violent, no alcohol, no drugs. It's perfect timing, because if our demands are not met in two weeks, school term will begin, and children will be striking to continue the momentum.

[@Roger_Hallam]

yep its on the go.

[@GeoffReidNZ]

Full power to all who are joining the rebellion!

[@comeuphither5302]

yea....a call to arms!....yes....soldiers stand up...voice.shout let's take back our future

[@mutely7152]

I'm with you my fellow man😀 let's do this bro.ive just got on board last couple of days😀

[@TheRelaxingRide]

#participate ✌

[@WakingUpToday213]

This is a crazy good video.

[@nadiasorg2919]

thank you Roger. it makes me happy that you mention the fun and happiness. i think, like charles eisenstein writes, it is part of the revolution

[@shoelessjoe428]

Love you guys. The fact you're promoting PEACEFUL protest and RESPECT to the brilliant emergency services increases your appeal to people like me. Thank you.

[@deeplearningpartnership]

Good.

[@andrewhall2850]

Just turn up!

[@IndiaAniya25]

I am in the US and I am african american so I could end up dead. How else can I fight against the system?

[@henryholt1359]

Did you look at science on Global Dimming?

[@ArnoldvanKampen]

I am pretty worried for sure. Global food security, fresh water issues.

[@troyturton8197]

Saw him last week on Chris Hedges: On Contact. A 2 part, hour long episode.

[@gourabshow3993]

💙

[@stokepusher5481]

good explanation my man, by the way ..have you been told you look like Billy Connolly, no joker reference intended, Billy has an admiral side, loves art, music and life etc

[@ArnoldvanKampen]

Kind a cool though. The world needs people like you. Hold on.

[@LukeFlegg]

I like this but strongly disagree with those being the only 3 options (e-activism, violent protest and nonviolent protest) what about social enterprise? Social Innovation and democratic innovation - high impact, system change projects? People en masse creating solutions with the skills and resources they have in the place they are.

[@fitpact]

i agree but have they made a difference ? To grow these things need a 'fertile' environment, which is not the case at present...

[@stuartwadlow1650]

@@fitpact exactly

[@veganvocalist4782]

Agree , everyone can play a part , where ever their strength is

[@mdawe3742]

We need to act nooooow!!

[@malcolmmarzo2461]

Something I have not seen on Extinction Rebellion is a discussion of the McPherson Paradox. It is the concept of ending industrial emissions actually speeding up extinction. The ending of the global masking or global dimming effect would toast us in weeks. Guy McPherson says it is a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't dilemma. I don't necessarily support this position. Have the Extinction Rebellion people addressed this question in a deliberate manner , not simply dismissing McPherson with the usual insults?

[@singingway]

in the years it will take to transition to sustainable energy system, I'm sure human ingenuity can find other sources for temporary solar dimming over necessary areas -- it doesn't have to be industrial CO2 emissions. There are already plans for floating solar powered units which emit water vapor over the poles, for example.

[@333Harpo]

Yes. When Roger talks about global dimming, he's talking about the McPherson Paradox. Same thing.

[@achenarmyst2156]

Suppose it is true, the only solution is to terminate emissions as quickly as possible as every warming due to GG will add up to the end of dimming effect. It‘s a bit like refusing to stop taking drugs because you fear the withdrawal effects.

[@bluenosebaboon8701]

How can I help..I'm in Madeira. ...?!

[@MatthewMcVeagh]

Start a local group.

[@jeanturcot728]

All of the suggestions regarding civil disobedience seem more than adequate, but what is the bottom line a to what is acceptable with respect to the prospects of stopping climate changes? As Mr. Hallam relayed, the Occupy movement stalled because it did not address the problems with viable solutions. It's one thing to protest, but if there are no foreseeable changes down the tunnel, it will fail, and Occupy did not offer such changes. While replacing elected politicians with committees may be a better way to achieve results, what are the changes that can be proposed to change the status quo of civil societies? What are they, and are they sufficient to reverse, or at the very least permanently stall further greenhouse gas emissions? What caused the problems that we have created as a species in the first place ???

[@neilmartin4315]

Did anyone mention Ghandi ,Rosa Parks ...yet?

[@shazzy3141]

Wow I met this guy at work didn’t even know who he was lol

[@curtisbattig6172]

In Canada Alberta we have the tarsands I want to start a slow moving convoy on the highway from Edmonton to Fort Mac. Renewable energy cars should be used to drive as slow as the law allows. Get arrested with out breaking any laws.

[@rungus24]

Is there any way you could target the worst polluters, and I guess I mean oil companies, specifically? Or would you not need to if you can get the governments to act?

[@matthewthomas7824]

Did you do a paper in your community college.

[@ArmageddonAfterparty]

Much like the Egyptian revolution, it will be met with counterinsurgency measures by secret services, what is the contingency plan for their contra-revolutionary actions?

[@ArmageddonAfterparty]

Then there is the problem of MSM being mouthpieces for the elites you are taking on. But enough of what sounds like nay-saying, anything that kicks off the global revolution.

[@ladyslipperland]

I'm Ready ! (Canadian)

[@fenderbender1296]

Finally a British Al Gore!

[@gems4u411]

"Roger". Roger.

[@isabelferreiraalves6732]

Peacefully, right? Or it will be like everything else :)

[@ArnoldvanKampen]

Don't be late to the rebellion(Parliament Square 11 am London April 15th -2 weeks-). Sounds weird, but I hope a lot of people will show up nonetheless. Please double check the date and time..

[@RH-ie2tx]

Wat Tyler found to his cost how the elite can manipulate popular protest. Agree to a few demands, disable the leadership, and send the 'masses' home.

[@fitpact]

you would rather trust the elites ....?

[@MatthewMcVeagh]

There's not really any leadership with XR, it's flat and decentralised.

[@ALEXANDERSEGHERS]

Be Hydrogen my friend !

[@robertcircleone]

If the XR strategy doesn't work. I am waiting in the wings with plan B.

[@johntao6822]

What's plan B?

[@devlindarkside6120]

If people give up their jobs to join what do they do for income? Don't get me wrong I am with you but just thinking practically.

[@mutely7152]

I believe he meant to give up employment etc to get involved with the organisation of XR ! But that's not what is expected of every body the rest of us get involved on the days of the protests by turning up and taking part in the direct action! That's my interpretation of what he said and is what I will be doing 😀 please join us 😀

[@achenarmyst2156]

Isa 1971 You are right. So if you don‘t organize it you at least should lift your butt and take part in any action within reach 😁

[@troyturton8197]

Painting on a building is considered destruction, destruction is considered violence. They then have a right, because of the purposely vague way they write laws today. To turn their violence on you!

[@robertcircleone]

I have my own plan if anyone is interested, right here in the UK. Otherwise, join the rebellion. I will carry on with my plan as plan B.

[@invisible1898]

Why are people saying to me that all of this is going to affect the poor and vulnerable?

[@ledexpert3850]

By the way, please ask all your supporter to be vegetarian, thanks. I am practising vegetarion.

[@devonseamoor]

The conclusion "We're all going to die" is the worst argument to plant the roots of ER. For it may show up as a fulfilling prophecy. In order to make a positive change, you and me need a vision that is based on creation, not extinction. This is the flaw in ER as I perceive it. There's a law of nature, you see? Where attention goes, energy flows. Choose wisely, bet your life on it.

[@mannatuu]

Roger has go to be admired , he reflects how so many of us feel. However he is not really making sense of what must logically be done. Yes ! cheques to Greenpeace , NGO's, marches a complete waste of time ! Why? because they either reflect the corporate mentality as does GreenPeace or on the other hand that of the state bureaucracy in NGO's and the well intended middle class who will go on a march but do bugger all else. What Roger has to grasp is that it is the capitalist system that must be replaced, and to do that the working class must be educated as to its historical role to end. Only a greater critical mass can do so. You are not threatening the State in any shape or form. It can handle you with ease. Sorry Roger , but when push comes to shove you are playing at it . You are just exercising your stress . You are not changing anything in any fundamental and permanent way.

[@CraigPaardekooper13]

But Roger, you need very specific demands and outcomes. Otherwise the government will not be able to respond with any positive action.

[@ledexpert3850]

XR had stated they demand Zero emission before 2025.

[@MatthewMcVeagh]

And the creation of an empowered and independent Citizens' Assembly, that is its specific goal.

[@brendaaspey3522]

Why aren’t the environmentalist talking about the negative impact of animal agriculture. We can all make a difference with the food choices we make everyday. Animal agriculture is the largest contributor to greenhouse gases and going vegan is one of the easiest ways we can all make a difference 🌱🌱🌱

[@achenarmyst2156]

That‘s true but it is far from being sufficient.

[@constructioneerful]

Also, I bet you will be seeing a lot of mounted police. Good if you arranged for a network of horse owners to be ‘in the ranks ‘ for those encounters ? It would protect the horses from silly behaviour ...

[@emmalineyoga2050]

The Poll Tax riots were not 1968 Roger! 1988...

[@MatthewMcVeagh]

I think he was listing two different things.

[@J.P_INC.]

If you read your bible,these things were said to happen. You won't stop whats coming. Im relaxed and waiting for that day

[@sirierieott5882]

I’m UP4IT !

[@quantumbiologist6824]

I have resigned. I want to make a difference. I know how we can get more from less. It's quantum biology. 100+ more energy from glucose than normal biochemistry.

[@CraigPaardekooper13]

As much as i sympathise with XR, their proposed solutions have not been thought through. The suggestion that planes and motorised vehicles should be banned in favour of bicycles is naive. Transport of goods and food and people would become impossible - resulting in IMMEDIATE breakdown of industry - mass unemployment and mass starvation. It seems incredible to me that XR have not thought this through at all. As for the idea of a people's assembly - the idea described by XR is that a jury of randomly chosen representative members of society will make decisions. However, I can see a fatal flaw in this approach. Let us take XR's idea of banning all vehicles. Such a ban would affect every family in the UK - parents could not take their children to school, could not go on holiday more than a few miles from their homes, and could not shop at any distance either. Considering the immense impact of such decisions on every person in the UK, I believe that placing those decisions in the hands of a small random jury (peoples assembly) is wrong. Such decisions should only be made by ALL the people, because such decisions affect ALL the people. So such decisions should be made by referendum - they should never be allocated to a tiny random jury. Consequently I believe that there should be an open and public debate to discuss the solutions proposed by XR - a public and critical analysis. Laying bare the practicality of their solutions should be the main focus right now, rather than trivial details such as how many bridges they can block, or how emotional it all is. It is oddly comical that pilots now have to check the roof of their planes for blind people before they can take-off, or that police have to defend Parliament from a line of red-robbed witches. And I never thought in my lifetime to see a road blockade consisting of nursing mothers. It is all very Monty Python.

[@achenarmyst2156]

Holidays in your own country, kids using bikes or public transport to get to school, shopping locally, THAT IS FAR FROM CATASTROPHY. Your level of reasoning shows that you have not understood the problem AT ALL.

[@everready2903]

Petrodollar > Extinctionrebellion

[@MatthewMcVeagh]

It's not greater than nature, and the more nature responds to the depradations of big oil the more the public might as well join XR.

[@CoolBreezeAnthony]

We need to break the glass ceiling. I am voting for a woman, a Democrat in 2020. That is one thing I absolutely can do.

[@petegoestubular]

Bernie supports the Green New Deal. Why not him?

[@CraigPaardekooper13]

Dear Roger Hallam, I agree that Civil Disobedience is the most effective way of bringing about change. The weakness in the XR approach is whether the proposed solutions will work in practice or not. If you could convince the public that your solutions would work in practice, then that would speed up the effectiveness of civil disobedience 10 fold. As it stands, the government may find it impossible to comply with your requests if they regard them as too damaging to the infrastructure of our society - resulting in a stalemate - and ultimately in either eco-fascism or the demise of XR

[@joshlucas4052]

What are you going to do about the magnetosphere?

[@twasbrilligandthesli]

Sorry, but you lost me when you said "It has to be fun".Such gatherings must be sober, serious, and lacking all fun connotations! We're not talking about some "hippie" revolution, we're talking about actual death!

[@maggieadams8600]

It's serious and sober people that got us into this mess and consistently stick to that mode in spite of the perpetual lousy outcomes. Since the action is about the preservation and value of nature, life, it should reflect the true nature of our world as a beautiful, diverse and joyous celebration.

[@fluffymushy9]

The seriousness is the fact that we're having to break the law for what should already be in place. Everyone attending has a certain level of compassion before they would commit to law breaking for our future and the natural world. I sense that the fun element, love, kindness will help me last longer at the event, which is the end game - to be there as long as it takes. Fun also helps shields violence from entering. We have all been grieving so much, and this strategy is the best one we've got, so let's happily take non violent direct action together. Hope to see you and your friends there.

[@WakingUpToday213]

and actual life!

[@Xandrosi]

Was your video speaking to why peaceful disruptive protest was necessary, in your view, just nuked by KZbin?

[@veganvocalist4782]

So how comes you have not been arrested yourself yet you are encouraging others to be as part of this campaign ? They know where you are and I am sure you are also doing all the things you are asking of others so why no arrest yet ?

[@achenarmyst2156]

He has been.

[@judet3026]

Some of the message is fine but it loses the plot when you think it will all be sorted by some baker from Glasgow ….

[@a099258]

He sounds so thick

[@jimsigrist5506]

Have your party. Precedence for rebellion and civil disobedience may have worked historically for problems of human control of local scale. And, I realize this is all that can be done. This however assumes that there is a possible solution for runaway "global" climate disruption. There is no evidence of a solution whatever the action taken. Where are the facts that rebellion can possibly affect outcome? There is neither a scientific nor technological solution. State governments and the "elites" can't fix this either. I'm sorry, but encouraging rebellion seems to me to be irresponsible misplaced energy, and will only serve to disrupt the lives of those who participate. If carbon capture and storage technology existed and just was for some reason not being used and rebellion could fix this problem I would be all in whatever the cost to me personally. There are too many positive feedbacks accelerating exponentially to halt this "runaway" train. The science tells us that if global industrialization would collapse "it is too late" to have a positive impact. Extinction rebellion needs to look around study and see the evidence. I have been arrested before for an act of civil disobedience protesting nuclear weapons. This is much different. That was a problem with a political solution and a potential positive outcome. The world still has "nukes". The human brain is with all due respect not quite up to this challenge. No disrespect to we humans.

[@WakingUpToday213]

+Jim Sigrist I like Jem Bendell's take: Collapse is inevitable, catastrophe probably, extinction possible. There's a great deal we can do to mobilize for human care in this situation, increasing survival chances, lessening impact, for living NOW with love and care for each other. To know with absolute certainty is a kind of hubris too. Sing while there's voice left.

[@elliottblaauw4575]

thanks for that injection of pointless negativity.... perhaps you are not ready for this which is fine but only fine for you , some of us have been arrested in the past too but that dosnt mean just curl up and moan about it

[@jimsigrist5506]

@@WakingUpToday213 I too would like to be positive. Jem Bendell is one voice. Hopeful to a degree, but ignoring the science. Extinction is happening all around at a rate 1000 times ever experienced. Human extinction is probable. The human charge is to care for one another. Thanks for your response.

[@jimsigrist5506]

@@elliottblaauw4575 Thanks for your comment. I felt my comment was a fair rendering. I merely encourage logic and reason.

[@achenarmyst2156]

I don‘t see the difference between a nuked planet and a roast planet. Of course there are political solutions to either problem. Considering deep adaptation just clarifies the urgency of global action.

[@ArnoldvanKampen]

I would pobably not do it: quite a weasel.

[@justincase4076]

YOU NEED TO CONTACT "EARTH UNITED" AND STOP FIGHTING YOUR OWN SHADOWS FYI: Protest is your agreement to their rules - Breaking the Law is an idiots way of expressing frustration because YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO ACT IN HONOR OR KNOW WHAT TO DO TO MAKE POSITIVE CHANGE.... EARTH UNITED! WILL TEACH YOU!!

[@bokvansurfer5052]

Charles Manson looks and sounds saner.

[@PHZadeW]

This is the most profoundly naive discussion I have heard. I have a lot of respect for Roger and his work. I have a lot of respect for all the people working to change the corruption within government and industry to limit global warming. However, this is literally just a discussion living in fantasy land and denial, because it is ignoring the basic knowledge of psychoanalytical studies and consumer science techniques that will be employed to prevent there from being thousands among thousands of people. The basic theory is fine. However it relies upon the general public and even the activism volunteers all turning up to these events and then also committing to staying at the events, despite all of their priorities toward work, food, bills, and "business as usual", and the consumerism conditioning within society has seen that prevent the majority of people from turning out in the thousands, so the only options that work are not violence but rather occupation of key areas of political and mining companies as well as financial and infrastructural sabotage to cause such a financial strain toward the fossil fuel industry that it becomes too costly and too inefficient for them to continue this work instead of transitioning to alternative energies! :)

[@MatthewMcVeagh]

How will psychoanalytical studies and consumer science techniques prevent there from being thousands upon thousands of people?

[@achenarmyst2156]

PHZadeW Forget about „ don‘t do it that way, do it my way“. We are at a point where we need every single action you can imagine to prevent a global catastrophe, an „Uninhabitable Planet“ as David Wallace-Wells termed it in his recent book.

[@neilmartin4315]

He looks a bit like Jeremy Corbyn on speed!