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📜 History of Rome & The Third Century Crisis - The Third Century Crisis becomes manageable under Diocletian, but the emperor still faces many problems, and not all of them as exciting as assassination. The rampant devaluing of currency and lack of formal tax system makes it very difficult for the state to accumulate wealth. So Diolcletian will overhaul the tax system and that will become his most long-lasting achievement. But his more famous invention is the tetrarcy, Rome's imperial boy band who will work to stabilize the massive empire.
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@a.h.tvideomapping4293
@a.h.tvideomapping4293 4 жыл бұрын
“Emperor of the east realizes his new system of governing is falling apart, resigns and becomes the cabbage merchant from Avatar: The Last Airbender”
@Loremastrful
@Loremastrful 4 жыл бұрын
Shhh! spoilers. :D
@nikhiljoshiPi
@nikhiljoshiPi 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my cabbages!
@Mitaka.Kotsuka
@Mitaka.Kotsuka 4 жыл бұрын
"If you couls see how good are the cabagged im growing, you too would resing the vanity of terrestrial power."
@vaughnjohnson8767
@vaughnjohnson8767 4 жыл бұрын
MY CABBAGES!!!
@rodguidry2223
@rodguidry2223 4 жыл бұрын
Timestamp??
@robertagoddard872
@robertagoddard872 4 жыл бұрын
Based on what I can gather the third century crisis can be summed up as "but wait, there's more!"
@Jackson-tt8uh
@Jackson-tt8uh 4 жыл бұрын
2020 in a nutshell
@timlamiam
@timlamiam 4 жыл бұрын
Yup.
@bmobmo6438
@bmobmo6438 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah pretty much
@KingofAwesomness14
@KingofAwesomness14 4 жыл бұрын
@@Jackson-tt8uh with the actor who played black panther dying as if yesterday, rip Chadwick Boseman, i can totally believe that. First kobe, now this guy. This year sucks!
@Newbmann
@Newbmann 4 жыл бұрын
2020 but only in europe
@NathanLucas5
@NathanLucas5 4 жыл бұрын
The reforms of diocletian are also in a way the foundation of feudalism. The establishment of a formal hierarchy can really be traced from Diocletian all the way to the 18th and 19th century revolutions
@oam6626
@oam6626 4 жыл бұрын
Ascolano Irl literally the most cringe thing I’ve ever read
@charlesramirez587
@charlesramirez587 4 жыл бұрын
@ Idk the increased productivity on professional classes is really hard to resist in the west especially with it's cultural influence even on the nobility, the French revolutions just sucks though.
@jonnunn4196
@jonnunn4196 4 жыл бұрын
@ For 95%+ of the population, it would be horrible, they'd be the surfs.
@ProjectEkerTest33
@ProjectEkerTest33 4 жыл бұрын
@ Shouldn't have given up feudalism or shouldn't have given up formal hierarchys? Cause either way it's awesome to be high up but it sucks major ass if you're on the bottom
@davidegaruti2582
@davidegaruti2582 4 жыл бұрын
@ yeah , we shouldn't have given up on having no civic rights , on having no humans right , on being forced to stay in the territory in which we were born , on being considered expendible ...
@bluecup1129
@bluecup1129 4 жыл бұрын
Rome: “Panic and Collapsing” China: “Ha nothing like that is ever gonna happen to us!”
@delarkaBCN
@delarkaBCN 4 жыл бұрын
U.S.A: amateurs
@delarkaBCN
@delarkaBCN 4 жыл бұрын
(gotta say, Chinese Empires had risen and fallen many times, but i thought the joke was funny coz China is actually taking the role of mega-power while USA is in decline.)
@wolf2965
@wolf2965 4 жыл бұрын
"The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide. Thus it has ever been." China might have some clue on the matter.
@eumemo4814
@eumemo4814 4 жыл бұрын
By that time the corpse of the han dinasty was already cold
@johnyricco1220
@johnyricco1220 4 жыл бұрын
China: “When five thousand years you are, look as good you will not”
@napoleonibonaparte7198
@napoleonibonaparte7198 4 жыл бұрын
Did the Tetrarchy work? Yesn’t.
@blueberry1vom1t
@blueberry1vom1t 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't studied this part of history yet, but all I know it. Splitting the empire into four roughly equally powerful sections is prime for civil war.
@dashiellgillingham4579
@dashiellgillingham4579 4 жыл бұрын
It fixed the problems it was meant to, then created a whole new one almost immediately.
@leandersmainchannel4493
@leandersmainchannel4493 4 жыл бұрын
*non'tn'tn't
@rickyyacine4818
@rickyyacine4818 3 жыл бұрын
Bad real bad idea worked for 10 years
@AbsolXGuardian
@AbsolXGuardian 4 жыл бұрын
Hearing an extra history narrative intro for 2020 gave me chills.
@joyannhua2620
@joyannhua2620 4 жыл бұрын
It's pandemic season!
@lmaochicken
@lmaochicken Жыл бұрын
been 3 uyears'@@joyannhua2620
@Т1000-м1и
@Т1000-м1и 11 ай бұрын
Actually, great idea
@Rdasboss
@Rdasboss 4 жыл бұрын
It’s so sad that the place that started all is just tossed aside to slowly become a backwater. A Roman Empire where Rome was just a city.
@Blazo_Djurovic
@Blazo_Djurovic 4 жыл бұрын
Well, it was inevitable. What made Rome Rome was senate and people of Rome who were important factors in governance. Now everyone is Roman, and capitols are where Emperors are. And they have mostly been on fronteers and in cities rich from trade, for more than a century by now. Neither of these two described Rome. Constantinople and even Diocletian's capitol which was nearby, were sitting on major trade hubs and were close to both Danube and Eastern fronteers. MUCH more relevant than Rome. And this is beside the fact that the East was always richer and more populous and will remain so till late renesance and early Industrial period.
@keraatkins7833
@keraatkins7833 4 жыл бұрын
That’s what happens when you make a large empire and try to keep the elites in power.
@TathD
@TathD 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't go well with the annoying modern military history buff's fetish for Rome, yes. : D
@jmadmaxx7295
@jmadmaxx7295 4 жыл бұрын
TathD spitting straight facts
@CallMeRito
@CallMeRito 4 жыл бұрын
Diocletian be like: There is gonna be a tax for that.
@sohumchatterjee9
@sohumchatterjee9 4 жыл бұрын
Nice reference
@CallMeRito
@CallMeRito 4 жыл бұрын
@ Dont Talk to me about Socialism, I live in Colombia, we have lots of Venezuelans here.
@CallMeRito
@CallMeRito 4 жыл бұрын
@ I'm referring to the fact that Venezuela is a shadow of its former self thanks to Socialism.
@Mitaka.Kotsuka
@Mitaka.Kotsuka 4 жыл бұрын
@ venezuela is starving to death and you ask why?
@HTP724
@HTP724 4 жыл бұрын
But then his father punished him severely
@Supadubya
@Supadubya 3 жыл бұрын
Diocletian's reforms seemed mostly well-founded, except for the Tetrarchy. Dividing the empire always inevitably resulted in Civil War- doing more damage in the long run than any transient administrative gains. The expansion of the Bureaucracy and tax reforms were especially needed. Rome had large-scale unemployment in its urban centers, so it's not like there wasn't surplus labor to hire more bureaucrats. But there were a lot of civil and economic needs going unmet- and an expanded Bureaucracy could help see to those...
@tonysladky8925
@tonysladky8925 4 жыл бұрын
We need more Extra History on money and taxes and related economic concepts. I know there've been a few already, but we need more, more, MORE! Or maybe just Extra Economics. Anyone else want to watch the hell out of a series like that? I don't even know what all I'd want to see covered in such a series.
@cmarley314
@cmarley314 4 жыл бұрын
History is tame. Every economic video would have a nasty comment fight.
@10gamer64
@10gamer64 4 жыл бұрын
Will be good for anyone making a nation/story
@Blazo_Djurovic
@Blazo_Djurovic 4 жыл бұрын
Constantine: Needing Four to rule, how cute. I'm about to ruin all of their careers.
@DragoniteSpam
@DragoniteSpam 4 жыл бұрын
Okay everyone, let's do a little vocal exercise. Ahem... ♫ The pretty decent kingdom split the crown between some heirs, ♪♫ Down went his head and they started throwing chairs...
@zawsrdtygbhjimokpl6998
@zawsrdtygbhjimokpl6998 4 жыл бұрын
the bar for being assassinated or betrayed as a king is very low so it being a tetriarchy may not be the root cause
@Kagekatsu1
@Kagekatsu1 4 жыл бұрын
♪ Succession crises lead to civil war ♫ ♫ And the pretty decent kingdom was doomed to be no more! ♪
@bobthepervyuncle
@bobthepervyuncle 4 жыл бұрын
🎵Tetrarchy is now in the bin And here comes Constantine He was known as the Great Adopting the Cross was his fate🎵
@sarah3796
@sarah3796 4 жыл бұрын
Hehehe is this a horrible history song?
@DragoniteSpam
@DragoniteSpam 4 жыл бұрын
@@sarah3796 I forget where it first appeared, but "never split the crown" is kind of one of the recurring lessons that nobody learns in Extra History (along with "don't invade russia during the winter): kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZCanaJsZqmeeK8
@WarpedEye
@WarpedEye 4 жыл бұрын
No joke episodes like this about civics and policies are a thousand times more interesting than yet another episode about a historic battle and army leader. Thanks for this episode!
@robertfisher8359
@robertfisher8359 4 жыл бұрын
Diocletian also created the military office called "comes," where we get the word "count." The reformed (Late) Roman Army ultimately replaced the Praetorian Guard with the palatini (who basically did the same job of protecting emperors, imperial palaces, etc). Palatini, meaning "palace troops," is also where we get the word "paladin," used in so many video and rp games.
@jopaljopal4256
@jopaljopal4256 4 жыл бұрын
"Everything was going to be okay!" So tune in next week, as the tetarchy falls apart before his eyes.
@robertm.8653
@robertm.8653 4 жыл бұрын
Prepare yourselves: " My cabbages " memes are coming
@cometmoon4485
@cometmoon4485 4 жыл бұрын
NO! NOT MY TETRARCHY!!!
@vaughnjohnson8767
@vaughnjohnson8767 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same. Also, WHERE ARE MY CABBAGES!?!?
@Pikazilla
@Pikazilla 4 жыл бұрын
9:18 Falls apart? (looks at the upcoming title) No, my cabbages!
@falloutfallout2594
@falloutfallout2594 4 жыл бұрын
cabbages seller: I fell you
@vaughnjohnson8767
@vaughnjohnson8767 4 жыл бұрын
NOT MY CABBAGES!!!
@a.h.tvideomapping4293
@a.h.tvideomapping4293 4 жыл бұрын
Plot Twist: Diocletian uses those cabbages to launch them at his enemies before dying
@vaughnjohnson8767
@vaughnjohnson8767 4 жыл бұрын
@@a.h.tvideomapping4293 twisting the plot even further: Diocletian is the second Avatar after Korra.
@a.h.tvideomapping4293
@a.h.tvideomapping4293 4 жыл бұрын
Vaughn Johnson and Diocletian was originally gonna be the main character in “SVPER ROMAN BROS” until Nintendo decided to replace him with some plumber named “Mario”
@francescofontana9707
@francescofontana9707 4 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing this statue in San Marco and thinking "WTF is this doing here?!"
@francescofontana9707
@francescofontana9707 4 жыл бұрын
Then I remembered 1204
@followthelucario4388
@followthelucario4388 4 жыл бұрын
@@francescofontana9707 never forget the fourth crusade
@azumarzi6305
@azumarzi6305 4 жыл бұрын
Those goddamn Crusaders and the f-ing dandolo.
@drts13
@drts13 4 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, Diocletian was still not assasinating his rivals
@florians9949
@florians9949 4 жыл бұрын
The Anonymous Redditor It was Walpole.
@a.h.tvideomapping4293
@a.h.tvideomapping4293 4 жыл бұрын
Are you dumb? It was clearly Not Diocletian and Diocletian avenged the emperor he totes didn’t kill by killing Not Diocletian
@DanieltransP
@DanieltransP 4 жыл бұрын
Redditor is latin for (the one who will) restore or (you who will) restore. Just thought I'd drop that here. - source: wikipedia
@eazy8579
@eazy8579 3 жыл бұрын
When the hell was that? As far as I know, he never killed anyone
@benchehebar2833
@benchehebar2833 4 жыл бұрын
Rome: *Collapses* China: First time?
@marseldagistani1989
@marseldagistani1989 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the Chinese Civil wars seem more like Wars of Succession
@BlueflameKing1
@BlueflameKing1 4 жыл бұрын
As the Collapse of the Carolingian Empire showed, seperating an empire amoungs many people never ends well, escpecially a system of political chess, cloak and dagger, and straight up murder that rome became. Also as seen from Charles the first, forced loans never work out.
@redornament3248
@redornament3248 4 жыл бұрын
I remember when they did an episode on that
@justindie7543
@justindie7543 4 жыл бұрын
George Washington payed his army in iou's to win the American Revolution
@xxxdumbwordstupidnumberxxx4844
@xxxdumbwordstupidnumberxxx4844 4 жыл бұрын
@@justindie7543 Well, Congress did. Washington was actually annoyed by the IOUs, and gave Congress shit for it. There's actually a series from this channel about the early history of revolutionary US, including the financial woes during this time period. kzbin.info/aero/PLjLK2cYtt-VDhehVBOUiBAZGNkA5nrdR0
@sciencefliestothemoon2305
@sciencefliestothemoon2305 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was a stupid tradition. A continuation of the Carolingian Empire could have been a renaissance of the Western Roman Empire with more Germany in it
@JollyOldCanuck
@JollyOldCanuck 4 жыл бұрын
BlueflameKing1 Arguably the Tetrarchy was necessary, the empire grew too large for a single emperor to effectively govern and fight on four fronts. Four emperors with four courts and four armies were better capable of ending the crisis in the North, East, West, and South of the empire.
@Efithor
@Efithor 4 жыл бұрын
hey man, I love stories of taxation reform and other monetary history stories. The South Seas Bubble episodes are my absolute favorite episodes from EH.
@theimperiumofman3714
@theimperiumofman3714 4 жыл бұрын
They had a sequel of this not too long later Except without plot - armour .
@pmalone4
@pmalone4 Жыл бұрын
I gotta say, the writing for that teaser in the beginning, GENIUS. I wish I could write that good.
@plackt
@plackt 4 жыл бұрын
7:48 you... misspelled Caesar? How?
@kimarous
@kimarous 4 жыл бұрын
By putting the E before the A.
@KasumiRINA
@KasumiRINA 3 жыл бұрын
Who cares how they spell the salad, it's not a cookbook!
@roypiltdown5083
@roypiltdown5083 4 ай бұрын
spelled it wrong AND pronounced it wrong.
@Rev3rberations
@Rev3rberations 4 жыл бұрын
7:20 ゴゴゴ (Menacing) STAND NAME: 「EMPIRE OF THE SUN」 STAND USER: Diocletian
@obibabobi9065
@obibabobi9065 4 жыл бұрын
Wait, there's a comment about JJBA and it's not about the 4 stone men!?!?!
@LangThoughts
@LangThoughts 4 жыл бұрын
@@obibabobi9065 Or SHIIIIIZAAAAAAAAAAAA!??
@jamiemcintosh3030
@jamiemcintosh3030 4 жыл бұрын
You know...I read of a story on those statues of the Tetrarchy - before they were looted in the 4th Crusade. The market square where the Tetrarchy statues were, Byzantines slowly forgot the story behind the statues and thought the embracing men were brothers, and the people named the square the "Philidelphion": the Place of Brotherly Love.
@AnarchHive
@AnarchHive 4 жыл бұрын
Coming up: Martyrs and cabbages "MY CABBAGES!" screamed the martyr
@maddiewettach4954
@maddiewettach4954 4 жыл бұрын
Am I a giant nerd because I want an “Exciting Problems Require Dull Solutions” t-shirt?
@10Tabris01
@10Tabris01 3 жыл бұрын
I want one too
@rifahtashfia442
@rifahtashfia442 4 жыл бұрын
My cabbages! I mean My empire! -Diocletian a.k.a the cabbage merchant
@flaviusclaudius7510
@flaviusclaudius7510 4 жыл бұрын
I use Diocletian's edict on maximum prices as a guide for prices in my D&D games
@bluespaceman7937
@bluespaceman7937 2 жыл бұрын
Cool idea.
@paulallen579
@paulallen579 4 жыл бұрын
It's spelt "Caesar" with "a" before "e" not "Ceasar".
@gid2465
@gid2465 4 жыл бұрын
For anyone wondering, it's at 7:40
@asdic888
@asdic888 4 жыл бұрын
Except after 'C'?
@KasumiRINA
@KasumiRINA 3 жыл бұрын
Who cares, you English people always mispronounce is a See-sar, not Kaiser as it's supposed to be read.
@KaiserAfini
@KaiserAfini 4 жыл бұрын
The tetrarchy did solve the administrative problem by essentially dividing the empire into independent administrative branches. That is very efficient when you have too much to solve in parallel. However, if each major player has a different vision or if major reforms are needed across the board, then each one's agenda or approach could make deciding on a solution remarkably inefficient. Which means this decentralization of power solved their initial challenges while possibly setting up a civil war in the future.
@ethancoster1324
@ethancoster1324 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, and then you throw in a little primogeniture dispute and wham. Constantine arises.
@Librarian356
@Librarian356 4 жыл бұрын
So how did Justinian II’s tax reforms impact the reforms Diocletian made?
@alexbooth6518
@alexbooth6518 4 жыл бұрын
f in the chat for the dog
@arnaldosantoro6812
@arnaldosantoro6812 4 жыл бұрын
6:28 "The Duck" should be more "the dooks" with the "oo" as in "poor" and an "x" as in "exam"
@arnaldosantoro6812
@arnaldosantoro6812 4 жыл бұрын
Or simply like "duke" but with a trailing s
@dorkfish1275
@dorkfish1275 4 жыл бұрын
1:52 This sums up the third century crisis so well.
@DavidsDives
@DavidsDives 4 жыл бұрын
You guys should do a series on the recent Irish war for independence
@Mitaka.Kotsuka
@Mitaka.Kotsuka 4 жыл бұрын
sensible subjet... probably better wait another 30 years
@JacobFosterNeoCon
@JacobFosterNeoCon 4 жыл бұрын
"Possibly even doubling the number of bureaucrats" *number of bureaucrats on screen triples*
@LeafseasonMagbag
@LeafseasonMagbag 4 жыл бұрын
It’s always really shocking to me how long it took for us to understand even basic principles of economics.
@912silver
@912silver 4 жыл бұрын
What's always shocking to me is how some people may be convinced that our current society shows any understanding of economics... (Spoiler alert : the orthodox economic theories backing up most politics nowadays have been repeatedly shown to be highly biased... and "surprisingly" allways in ways that enable and justify politics that favour the rich...)
@Overhazard
@Overhazard 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of economics is really psychology. When you get right down to it, there is nothing natural about money and wealth. They're all entirely human-created concepts, which means human behavior is a huge part of it. Human behavior, in turn, is one of the hardest, most complex things to understand, so economics by association becomes hard to understand. Behind every economic crash is a small number of people with a lot of power (whether they know it or not) who take actions based on incorrect assumptions on what people would do. Hyperinflation in Zimbabwe, for instance, occurred because those in charge assumed the people would simply trust in the Zimbabwe Dollar and treat it like the United States Dollar, when in fact they had no trust in the Zimbabwe Dollar at all. Note that it's easy to assume people were dumb in hindsight, and the problems of the past and their solutions would look obvious to our eyes in the present, but that's only because we know what happened afterwards. A modern example is the cryptocurrency trade, with economists of 2022 divided over whether it's a bubble or will become a stable system. This will all come down to what people involved in the cryptocurrency trade will do, which can't be easily predicted.
@AidestheKiwi
@AidestheKiwi 4 жыл бұрын
I found a small mistake for the Lies episode: it's Caesar, not Ceasar. That aside, I love your guys work, keep it up!
@wamsang7818
@wamsang7818 4 жыл бұрын
Rome: collapses through internal conflict China: *ameturs*
@MerkhVision
@MerkhVision 4 жыл бұрын
Samuel Wang: “ameturs” Me: “amateurs” Lmfao
@wamsang7818
@wamsang7818 4 жыл бұрын
@@MerkhVision imagine being a pro at spelling lmao
@shaggythewriter8185
@shaggythewriter8185 4 жыл бұрын
I have a hard time imaging Galerius as a real person. He'll always be a spurdo bear to me...
@lucasbeck1391
@lucasbeck1391 4 жыл бұрын
Hearing maximian described as trusted just feels wierd after dovahhatty
@jtillett
@jtillett 4 жыл бұрын
Having been in Venice for Carnivale (and Europe) for the first time this February, I had to do a double take when I saw the dates you opened the episode with. It's insane how packed it was until it wasn't, honestly. And that was in the slow season.
@Luthies
@Luthies 4 жыл бұрын
1:40 someone forgot this is the community that voted to have a series made about the South Sea Bubble over Caesar...
@thiagoparadela4011
@thiagoparadela4011 4 жыл бұрын
Me enjoying the episode as always 6:33 Me: :(
@joyannhua2620
@joyannhua2620 4 жыл бұрын
0:15 is missing something... Maybe a thermometer or face shield?
@dansaunders8649
@dansaunders8649 2 жыл бұрын
I would love it if you guys covered the napoleonic wars, especially Wellington & Nelson personal stories…..any chances?
@Ethan-cz8xq
@Ethan-cz8xq 4 жыл бұрын
1:46 Yes, thank goodness we don't have Not Diocletian anymore
@MrTomtomtest
@MrTomtomtest 4 жыл бұрын
Just came back from Venise this week... And yeah this is the moment to go there, especially if you are into photography.... Don't wanna imagine it with loads of tourists....
@ShawnHCorey
@ShawnHCorey 4 жыл бұрын
@9:50 Oops. In Latin "dux" would be pronounced "duke", not "duck".
@essaboselin5252
@essaboselin5252 4 жыл бұрын
They can't even spell Caesar correctly. You really expect them to pronounce things properly?
@ShawnHCorey
@ShawnHCorey 4 жыл бұрын
@@essaboselin5252 I don't. But every time someone says "duck" instead of "duke" it bugs me.
@akd070
@akd070 4 жыл бұрын
last part was simply best " so tune in next week as the tetrarchy falls apart before his eyes " 😂😂😂
@joshuawells835
@joshuawells835 4 жыл бұрын
"Martyrs and Cabbages" - will the Cabbage Merchant appear?
@MagaracDebeluhar
@MagaracDebeluhar 4 жыл бұрын
fool. Diocletian is the cabbage merchant
@logankrohn1472
@logankrohn1472 4 жыл бұрын
izidor zupan Spoilers
@JayFLopez
@JayFLopez 4 жыл бұрын
that Duke love moment was too cute
@laureneras9523
@laureneras9523 2 жыл бұрын
Awww my childhood dog was named Duke too!!! But he was named after John Wayne...he was such a good boy! I hope they're friends in doggy heaven!
@TheCreepypro
@TheCreepypro 4 жыл бұрын
a very fun episode full of terms I knew but never knew the origins of till now
@marcosbuslon5271
@marcosbuslon5271 4 жыл бұрын
If you need a culture credit, I recommend looking into a course about Rome. I took one this past semester and am happy I did, besides the lecture being at 8am. It’s great to see covered material in these videos :D
@Gorboduc
@Gorboduc 4 жыл бұрын
Never knew Stanley Kubrick was a Roman emperor. What a guy!
@crazydinosaur8945
@crazydinosaur8945 4 жыл бұрын
01:55 my life in one picture
@ElGringoCastellano
@ElGringoCastellano 4 жыл бұрын
*Caesar
@djtechzz
@djtechzz 4 жыл бұрын
Man, That Diocleatian face gets me every time.
@alanmonteros6432
@alanmonteros6432 2 жыл бұрын
It's amazing watching this and realizing how more and more these reforms are starting to resemble feudalism and being like "So that's how we ended up there ! "
@NACBEAST
@NACBEAST 4 жыл бұрын
Alright so last week I said I'd step in to comment on Diocletian's failings and, here, EC had given me plenty of room to do so. So first things first, EC glossed over it but those economic reforms of Diocletian's basically crippled the Empire. The more savvy among you might be aware that the 'maximum price' concept is something we in the modern day call price control. Because Diocletian didn't understand supply and demand he thought the high price of bread was because merchants were gouging. In truth that was just the natural price of bread due to how low the supply was from the Crisis. His Price controls were either ignored or inflicted huge economic harm. Something that EC does here that I am wholly against is that they didn't mention Diocletian's chief reform in this regard; his institution of Pre-Serfdom. Diocletian made it illegal for you to move away from the land you were born on and made your job hereditary, ending centuries of Roman Social Mobility. This meant that peasants born into poor soil couldn't move to more valuable land where their work would be put to better use and that successful, intelligent peoples couldn't move up the social ladder and could languish. This institution of serfdom ended up basically cutting the legs out from the Empire long-term as the landlords it created would do their best to cheat the Empire out of its best civilians when the recruiters came and would become de-facto Medieval Lords, ushering in early Feudalism. Maximian was a boob and a moron; him being 'bogged down' as him constantly fucking things up and Diocletian (and later Constantius) needing to rescue him. The Tetrarchy was a failure only stitched together by the force of the personality of Diocletian and was doomed to end in more Civil Wars.
@ComradeArthur
@ComradeArthur 4 жыл бұрын
Essentially, Diocletian enacted directive 10-289. And the Roman Empire STUCK WITH IT.
@powerist209
@powerist209 4 жыл бұрын
Plus that serfdom would contribute to chronic manpower shortages (Not enough hereditary soldiers and Landlord would actively stop conscriptions) that led to reliance on Foedarati compounded with broken promises and tensions that led to the fall of Western Empire. By contrast, East somehow managed to stand.
@ComradeArthur
@ComradeArthur 4 жыл бұрын
@@powerist209 Those walls gave the Byzantines a margin of error.
@mankytoes
@mankytoes 4 жыл бұрын
@@powerist209 The East was significantly more rich so took in a lot more tax, even with inefficient systems, and was more worth defending.
@seanmcloughlin5983
@seanmcloughlin5983 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair on Diocletian, when society is in constant civil wars, stability is more important than outright productivity. Tokugawa Ieyasu instituted the same policy of disallowing social mobility and for peasants to move, while it hurt in the long term, it meant farmers were stuck in one place and couldn’t go around starting revolts.
@fakjbf3129
@fakjbf3129 4 жыл бұрын
How to solve the succession crisis? Quadruple the number of failure points of course!
@quentindeberdt9657
@quentindeberdt9657 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this incredible series.
@mkosmala1309
@mkosmala1309 4 жыл бұрын
Given that it covers persecutions, I hope the next episode touches on Catherine of Alexandria, who defied Maximian to his face and out-argued the massive team of scholars and lawyers he sent against her, despite being only about 17-19 (additionally, at a time when women were treated as second-class citizens, the fact that she beat them all is doubly impressive because it meant that all her arguments had to be doubly persuasive to overcome the bias). Andrew Stratelates, the Christian general that Diocletian had slaughtered along with about 2000 soldiers just for being Christians (despite their glorious and loyal service to Rome) would also be a fascinating figure to cover, at least in passing.
@Aceshot-uu7yx
@Aceshot-uu7yx 2 жыл бұрын
The Christian soldiers who fought for Rome were some of the best
@vaughnjohnson8767
@vaughnjohnson8767 4 жыл бұрын
4:10 all I got from that was: “There’s a Tax for that,”
@daborinkid7279
@daborinkid7279 4 жыл бұрын
make a series on the fall of rome
@andyjay729
@andyjay729 4 жыл бұрын
So wait, are you trying to say that COVID is God's long-delayed vengeance for Venice sacking Constantinople?
@fernandomendez69
@fernandomendez69 4 жыл бұрын
Or that they can no longer catch COVID, and that is why they are not socially distancing.
@Tacticslion
@Tacticslion 3 жыл бұрын
Him: "Taxation and administration isn't as... sexy as assassination-" Me: "Taxcollector's Creed *WHEN*" (I... I've never played an AC game.)
@kaelanirevyruun1676
@kaelanirevyruun1676 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: “Caesar” apparently was pronounced more like “Kaiser” xD
@KasumiRINA
@KasumiRINA 3 жыл бұрын
I dunno what's up with English people not being able to read ANY foreign name, thinking C is a "see" and stuff.
@Overhazard
@Overhazard 2 жыл бұрын
@@KasumiRINA Not just English. The word "Czar" (as in a Russian king) came from "Caesar" too.
@SpartanJoe193
@SpartanJoe193 2 жыл бұрын
More like "Kaisar" to me.
@bluey_fan968
@bluey_fan968 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos I have been watching your videos since the punic wars
@KonohasEdge
@KonohasEdge 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, I am thrusting for content! Thanks :)
@laq2
@laq2 4 жыл бұрын
7:40ish Caesar was misspelled.
@adultadulturson7142
@adultadulturson7142 4 жыл бұрын
We’re not even in the crisis anymore. It’s considered to have ended with Diocletian’s ascension to emperor which would be before all the reforms you mentioned in this episode.
@Mitaka.Kotsuka
@Mitaka.Kotsuka 4 жыл бұрын
what? no... its considered to end with Constantinian
@adultadulturson7142
@adultadulturson7142 4 жыл бұрын
Keledran Von Sebottendorff No. It ended when Diocletian rose to power and reformed the empire. Constantine wasn’t even emperor during the third century. He became Caesar in the early fourth century.
@VaradMahashabde
@VaradMahashabde 4 жыл бұрын
Ceaser : Junior Emperor Augustus : Senior Emperor Augustus Ceaser : *confusion noises*
@bellehogel8665
@bellehogel8665 4 жыл бұрын
Speaking of episode 1. What was the melody in the song from. It sounded so familiar.
@TotalTirpitz
@TotalTirpitz 3 жыл бұрын
Take a drink every-time they mention the Economic Reform and then side track.
@eliasstenman3710
@eliasstenman3710 4 жыл бұрын
2:46 The level of detail on the Baltic is pretty low there.
@Alien1375
@Alien1375 4 жыл бұрын
I liked how they forgot to draw Denmark and then just scribbled something at the last moment.
@MerkhVision
@MerkhVision 4 жыл бұрын
Alien1375 that’s because Denmark doesn’t exist ;)
@tomwanks9123
@tomwanks9123 4 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for Aurelian.
@AhmedMahmoud-tv9vw
@AhmedMahmoud-tv9vw 4 жыл бұрын
Nobody is gonna talk about the awesome intro? OK then.
@NemeNoms
@NemeNoms 4 жыл бұрын
I miss my oreo cookie(cat) and woofwoof(wolf/husky mix) as you miss your doggo duke ;3; who is an absolute cutie by the way, looks like a good boi protector
@erichayes8445
@erichayes8445 4 жыл бұрын
6:35 that's a good boy.
@napolien1310
@napolien1310 4 жыл бұрын
The title of Augustus in the third century crises. "Ah shit, here we go again"
@shawnheatherly
@shawnheatherly 4 жыл бұрын
On paper, the Tetrarchy is a solid plan for government for such an enormous empire. In reality... well, history begs to differ.
@josephc9958
@josephc9958 4 жыл бұрын
Omg hi could you guys do a video about austria? Please
@drunkenpandahead2047
@drunkenpandahead2047 4 жыл бұрын
Learning about this in uni
@TheDakkaman
@TheDakkaman 3 жыл бұрын
Pharaonic Egyptians: “Our rulers are divine embodiments on Earth, like unto gods themselves, and thus a part of our pantheon made flesh!” Diocletian: “Write that down, write that down!”
@ramvenkatesh4232
@ramvenkatesh4232 4 жыл бұрын
Do a series of Marcus Aurelius !!!!
@Unknownfrencghost
@Unknownfrencghost 4 жыл бұрын
That opening paragraph though
@jovanweismiller7114
@jovanweismiller7114 4 жыл бұрын
The Church, however, flipped Diocletian's system. Dioceses are organised into Provinces, rather than provinces into dioceses.
@pegmay7209
@pegmay7209 3 жыл бұрын
Duke looks like he was a good dog. ❤️
@Pikazilla
@Pikazilla 4 жыл бұрын
Zoey is just Duke reincarnated
@xiahoupaul19
@xiahoupaul19 4 жыл бұрын
Zoey is Augustus, thank you very much.
@briangoodell9804
@briangoodell9804 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine spelling Caesar wrong
@BoxStudioExecutive
@BoxStudioExecutive 4 жыл бұрын
once you start spelling it right at least you'll be a ceaser at spelling it wrong
@Carewolf
@Carewolf 4 жыл бұрын
Well, they are pronouncing it wrong too (c is always pronounced as k in ancient latin, only as an s in medieval clerical latin).
@AidestheKiwi
@AidestheKiwi 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, I didn't scroll far enough down to see this. *sigh* I honestly thought I was the first to mention it. But you beat me fair and square.
@galanopouloc
@galanopouloc 4 жыл бұрын
Oh it goes way long than that. Many of Diocletian's reforms survived long after 1453. For example, Diocletian instituted laws that prevented people from switching from one job to another, a proto-feudalistic law one can say. This specific law survived in Europe until probably the abolition of serfdom in Russia in the 1800s.
@adriannemaquiras1375
@adriannemaquiras1375 4 жыл бұрын
I just realised he never made episodes about the napoleonic wars
@delarkaBCN
@delarkaBCN 4 жыл бұрын
6:36 all hail Sir Duke.
@delarkaBCN
@delarkaBCN 4 жыл бұрын
@Ghost Yuki *jazz shouts*
@totalynotcatherine
@totalynotcatherine 4 жыл бұрын
This is why my mom always taught me that if you there's a situation where 911 should be called, call it. "It's better for the police to get two reports of a robbery then just assuming, someone else will do it and no one actually calling."
@bthsr7113
@bthsr7113 4 жыл бұрын
At this point in my life, it feels weird hearing about Venice on youtube without Blue.
@سلمانقتل
@سلمانقتل 4 жыл бұрын
👍 good video
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