Bernie wasn't tested on a national level? He went on Fox News multiple times for town halls and had the crowd, again on Fox News, agreeing with him over the hosts. He would have been fine in a general election.
@ViljoVihannesАй бұрын
Ah yes! Who needs polls when you have anecdotal evidence! Genius! A candidate who wasn't popular wasn't chosen to run to in the presidential election. I know dealing with facts is difficult for Bernie populists, but living in a fantasy world helps no one.
@dw7647Ай бұрын
A far left candidate has never flipped a red seat, they only win in deep blue states. Sanders never got over 50% in any primary and didn’t beat out Biden nor Clinton 1 on 1. Bernie’s fanatics are no where near the number of MAGA, not to mention a lot of Sanders’ Lieutenants have crossed over to MAGA .
@harukrentz435Ай бұрын
Kinda hillarious considering they nominated kamalalala dingdong
@MichaelJones-ek3vxАй бұрын
As a retired medical professional, my profession gained about 20% in real purchasing power over the last twenty years. I did not realize fully, how bad it was for wage increases in non technical jobs. I was busy! 😮 I think most Democrats were busy.
@ragpudАй бұрын
Not to mention Joe Rogan.
@tomrenjieАй бұрын
These conversations are SO critical they should have been happened 10-years ago.
@illuvatar5923Ай бұрын
They did happen 10 years ago. But the nyt and most corporate media choose instead to bury their head in the sand about russia gate
@tcorourke2007Ай бұрын
They did happen 10 years ago. "Bernie can beat Trump" is no less false now as it was then.
@mustbtroubleАй бұрын
They did just not with anyone Ezra Klein talks to.
@j0hnicideАй бұрын
he had WORKERS donating to him and rallying for him, and today's democrats are crying about losing working class voters to trump. @@tcorourke2007
@JayceeGenocideАй бұрын
@@tcorourke2007 Yet RIGHT WING DemoCRAP Campaigns have NOT Won since Bill Clinton. Liberals are known Diet RepubLIEcan LOSERs!
@michaelandrew964Ай бұрын
Gee Ezra, I came back into this podcast at 47 minutes and you’re still perplexed about why people didn’t vote for Joe Biden’s policies and Kamala. Embracing traditional liberalism or neoliberalism, or any other form of that, is not going to work. We need a fundamental change and at least steps in that direction, clearly delineated by political candidates. You don’t need to defend the New York Times.
@worldadventuretravelАй бұрын
If he wasn't selling this propagand he wouldn't have a job.
@shouryarathore7434Ай бұрын
Biden clearly had policies that broke away from the past 40 years of neoliberalism and neoconservatism that started with Reagan. He embraced many progressive ideas in his policies and adminstration. Just look at the work done by the FTC,NLRB and the several bills bringing back manufacturing and working class jobs back to America. I think it was a matter of marketing not policy, combined with the fact that this was an anti incumbent election where every ruling party across the globe lost some of their voter share. Also if the progressive message is so popular then how come they dont win all their local races? Why is it that they only have a minority of democratic party in the House and Senate? I know people bring up corporate donors giving a money advantage to moderate Dems but I don't think the money excuse works. Kamala outspent trump by like 400-500 million dollars and still ended up losing. Clearly money doesn't matter as much as actual appeal to the public. Why is the house and senate democratic seats not dominated by progressives?
@roland97008Ай бұрын
Ezra is a policy wonk. The fact that he thinks policy is super important is what gets me. You have to establish that there is a problem. Providing complex policies doesn't communicate that well.
@ZachTheMakerАй бұрын
Fiaz is correct. I like Ezra but he just doesn't seem in touch with actual middle class Americans. It's Bernie's messages of make the rich and corporations contribute their fair share that works.
@FG-yx6egАй бұрын
Strong agreement. Ezra has many blindspots.
@DowntownsUptownАй бұрын
Does this mean I have to watch the whole damned thing now? They blocked him. They are detestable.
@ariangulick9249Ай бұрын
The problem with Ezra and a majority of the left leaning pundit/consultant class is that they only care about the "minds" half of the "winning hearts and minds" equation. People want someone they can relate to or aspire to be- they wanna hear Bill Clinton say "I feel your pain," they want the abstract "cool" factor of Obama, and yes, they wanna be a billionaire celebrity like Trump. All of these West Wing pilled dorks are incapable of realizing that and they are killing the party and the country because of it. The other thing they can't realize is that you have to have an enemy, you have to have someone you promise to punch and make pay for the fact that the country is screwed up. And if you're the party of "institutionalism" and you had the chance after 2008 to punish the banks and you let millions of people get foreclosed on while you bailed out the banksters and none of them went to jail... well, it becomes very, very hard for anyone to believe you when you say you're going to take on the system.
@crghyzАй бұрын
Ezra has the perspective of your typical liberal, elitist Democrat. He's a very sharp guy, but has near zero understanding of the typical middle America, working class or lower middle class voter. It is this disconnect that explains why Democrats just lost, will continue to lose, and will, time to time eke out a narrow victory.
@henrythegreatamerican8136Ай бұрын
Exactly. The first 15 minutes of this video were spent by Ezra trying to blame Bernie policies as the reason for the Democrat party election failures. Shakir did a great job of debunking all of Era's views in that short time frame. It's so obvious Ezra is for the establishment. I'm not even sure why I bother with his podcasts anymore. I couldn't make it past the first 15 minutes.
@TheDAT573Ай бұрын
I would have voted for Bernie Sanders over any other candidate.
@mor4652Ай бұрын
Good Lord, Ezra. Your Manchin argument does not counter the "Democratics have a brand problem" it PROVES it. The Democratic candidates who win, do so by running away from the Democratic Brand.
@ballroomdruАй бұрын
Also, Bernie gets the working class, the entire media does not.
@galluncielloАй бұрын
What a shocker 😵Ezra here can't believe it, he thinks it's only about 'The Democratic Brand" marketing, facade, and also in regards to that, the Biden pardon must have really helped the brand, no 💩 Clowns like this excuse of a journalist is also why people have dropped the democrap party. Then they act all shocked when Trump gets elected. What could have been?! 🤔
@bentrinker1937Ай бұрын
Half of the working class would be calling Bernie Sanders a socialist.
@commodusleitdorf2726Ай бұрын
@@bentrinker1937 I dont think people are hung up on cold war terminology as much as you think, especially given the cold war has been over for 30 years.
@Plokijuh1229Ай бұрын
@@bentrinker1937The working class cares about who is better for their money. Taxes, jobs, pay, costs.
@bentrinker1937Ай бұрын
@@commodusleitdorf2726 man, I really wish we could rerun history where we had an entire Fox News and republican media apparatus going after the guy who openly calls himself a socialist. I wish we could see that. You don’t know how wrong you are.
@varnishyourboardАй бұрын
I caucused for Bernie in 2016 in a somewhat affluent suburb of Minneapolis. As we crowded into that middle school classroom, we debated why we supported either candidate and the energy for a real economic populist for president was very apparent (among almost exclusively 40+ white men and women). It wasn't a complete runaway for Bernie over Hillary, but it was an easy majority among 30+ constituents. When I saw the undemocratic super delegate system play out (and basically give the nomination away to Hillary), I decided I'll never support an establishment Democrat again.
@Luke43168Ай бұрын
Actually over 40 years ago.
@onomatopoeia162003Ай бұрын
o/ coming from the southern part of the state.
@mustbtroubleАй бұрын
And they wonder where all the voters went.
@JayceeGenocideАй бұрын
I will NEVER Vote For Right Wing DemoCRAPs. DemoCRAPs keep moving further Right Wing.
@chrisdiver6224Ай бұрын
The Dem establishment in D.C. wants to be GOP lite, wants to be in the bucks, classy, is allergic to its parent’s working class roots, and will sandbag populist Dems to maintain their control. They actively help the GOP lock out a real working people’s party, enabling Trump’s phony populism to be persuasive. Their betrayal will be the key reason why the climate crisis isn’t solved and therefore why the planet as we know it is done for.
@almondjoy112Ай бұрын
All I hear from Ezra is cope and denial of Faiz Shakir's correct comments.
@compediumАй бұрын
Well, he made the argument that the housing prices were caused by private equity and then Ezra correctly pointed out that they are caused by not allowing housing construction especially in Democrats heavy states.
@JudahDavisАй бұрын
@compedium Exactly, it's. It's not just about messaging
@NinjaforrverАй бұрын
@@compedium right and that’s when Faiz explains you emphasize the going after the corporate landlords on the campaign trail (who are still part of the problem here) and then once you win, also go after the affluent democrats that are preventing affordable housing from being built in suburbia.
@compediumАй бұрын
Reversed Trump's Muslim ban • Historic Stimulus Bill passed • Ended the war in Afghanistan (Set in place by Trump*) • Reduction of poverty levels by 45% along with reduction of child poverty levels by 61% by the first 6 months • 5 Rounds of cancellation of student loan debt totaling almost $10 billion • Passed largest infrastructure bill in history • The unemployment rate dropped from 6.2% when Biden took office to 3.9%, the biggest single year drop in American history. (This was also affected by COVID quarantine ending.) Year Two Highlights from Year Two • The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 • 3 Additional rounds of student loan debt cancellation (8 rounds so far), totaling up $35 billion for 20-40 million Americans • First major gun legislation in 30 years • CHIPS Act to protect American supply of semi-conductor chips • $62 billion worth of health care subsidies under the ACA (Obamacare), capping insulin at $35 • Allows Medicare to negotiate 100 drugs over the next decade, and requires drug companies to rebate price increases higher than inflation • Unemployment at 50 year low Year Three Highlights from Year Three • Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table by tricking them during the State of the Union • 6 More rounds of student loan debt cancellation (14 rounds so far), totaling up to $127 billion • As of October 2023, 34 straight months of job growth, longest stretch of unemployment below 4% since the 1960s • Child poverty rates fall from 12.6% to 5.8% due to Biden's Expanded Child Tax Credits, 2.9 million kids escape poverty • World's best post-pandemic recovery, doubles all nations except Japan • Created 14 million jobs since he took office - More than any president in history did in four years (and its only been 3 years) • Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16% • Diversity in justice: Majority of Biden’s appointed judges are women, racial or ethnic minorities - a first for any president • Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions. Most people will only remember that he forced rail workers to go back to work in December 2022, even now that will be the top answer if you google "Biden Railworker Deal". But most people do not know that the Biden administration continued to pressure the rail corporations and work with the unions so that in June 2023, the corporations capitulated and gave the rail workers what they wanted. Biden knows how to work politics and knows that the real work isn't done with the cameras on you for a soundbite, but in the background where people can debate without a fickle public watching every move. Year Four (so far) Highlights from Year Four • Another round of student loan cancellation, $1.2 billion this time, 15 rounds so far, totaling more than $128 billion • Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession • Post-pandemic recover still leading the world by far • Plan to modernize American ports • Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief • Violent crime drop significantly since 2020 • $5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
@frydegzАй бұрын
Faiz had good points. Ezra had talking points.
@supersupersomethingАй бұрын
I listened to all of this. Yes, I think Bernie would have won.
@GymMusic-xq4nuАй бұрын
I am a 61 year old diabetic who just came home from the hospital with insurance wondering if my high deductible coverage is going to drop on me. Yes, Bernie cared. Everyone else not so much.
@compediumАй бұрын
Reversed Trump's Muslim ban • Historic Stimulus Bill passed • Ended the war in Afghanistan (Set in place by Trump*) • Reduction of poverty levels by 45% along with reduction of child poverty levels by 61% by the first 6 months • 5 Rounds of cancellation of student loan debt totaling almost $10 billion • Passed largest infrastructure bill in history • The unemployment rate dropped from 6.2% when Biden took office to 3.9%, the biggest single year drop in American history. (This was also affected by COVID quarantine ending.) Year Two Highlights from Year Two • The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 • 3 Additional rounds of student loan debt cancellation (8 rounds so far), totaling up $35 billion for 20-40 million Americans • First major gun legislation in 30 years • CHIPS Act to protect American supply of semi-conductor chips • $62 billion worth of health care subsidies under the ACA (Obamacare), capping insulin at $35 • Allows Medicare to negotiate 100 drugs over the next decade, and requires drug companies to rebate price increases higher than inflation • Unemployment at 50 year low Year Three Highlights from Year Three • Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table by tricking them during the State of the Union • 6 More rounds of student loan debt cancellation (14 rounds so far), totaling up to $127 billion • As of October 2023, 34 straight months of job growth, longest stretch of unemployment below 4% since the 1960s • Child poverty rates fall from 12.6% to 5.8% due to Biden's Expanded Child Tax Credits, 2.9 million kids escape poverty • World's best post-pandemic recovery, doubles all nations except Japan • Created 14 million jobs since he took office - More than any president in history did in four years (and its only been 3 years) • Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16% • Diversity in justice: Majority of Biden’s appointed judges are women, racial or ethnic minorities - a first for any president • Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions. Most people will only remember that he forced rail workers to go back to work in December 2022, even now that will be the top answer if you google "Biden Railworker Deal". But most people do not know that the Biden administration continued to pressure the rail corporations and work with the unions so that in June 2023, the corporations capitulated and gave the rail workers what they wanted. Biden knows how to work politics and knows that the real work isn't done with the cameras on you for a soundbite, but in the background where people can debate without a fickle public watching every move. Year Four (so far) Highlights from Year Four • Another round of student loan cancellation, $1.2 billion this time, 15 rounds so far, totaling more than $128 billion • Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession • Post-pandemic recover still leading the world by far • Plan to modernize American ports • Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief • Violent crime drop significantly since 2020 • $5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
@francolerudАй бұрын
No one likes the health care they have. They just fear that whatever it changes to will be worse. Which is a justified fear since it has done nothing but get worse for as long as I have been alive. I did annual enrollment the other day and Cigna has the balls to say that a high deductible health plan is a benefit to me because it encourages me to shop around for a good deal. When I am being rushed to the emergency room, my priority is not calling up the different hospitals to get quotes. Our healthcare system is completely broken in this country. When a global pandemic broke out the first politician to be pushed out of the race was the only one supporting universal healthcare.
@zuzanazuscinova5209Ай бұрын
How many times in your life are you rushed into an emergency room? Socialized medicine does encourage wastefulness. There's no perfect answer.
@jacobsykes3707Ай бұрын
@@zuzanazuscinova5209so we should accept the one where people go into bankruptcy because of medical bills? In a country where they check credit history on a warehouse worker? You’re laughable.
@FG-yx6egАй бұрын
@@zuzanazuscinova5209have you lived abroad and experienced a different system?
@JSO_394Ай бұрын
Health care is wasteful anyway, to fill up quotas and rack up bills to charge folks. What would be less wasteful is that people would be able to rely on health care to treat their ailments, so they would trust hospitals and utilize them. Instead of having to choose between health and food. @zuzanazuscinova5209
@paulpierantozziАй бұрын
@@zuzanazuscinova5209 who the hell goes to the ER for fun? People only go if they need to, but in our current system people who need to go sometimes don't because of the cost. When I was in college a man was stabbed outside my dorm and instead of paying for an ambulance he walked to the hospital, leaving a trail of blood on the sidewalk. Is that the society we want to live in? I certainly don't.
@christopherchilton-smith6482Ай бұрын
He was very popular with all the people we needed to win over in the exact places we needed them to vote for Harris.
@KathrynHauganАй бұрын
And why wasn't he part of the campaign? Was that Bernie or the Harris team?
@harshamahtani5554Ай бұрын
Harris campaigned with fucking Liz Cheney. What does that tell you? They HATE Bernie!!
@jimmccall-yo7esАй бұрын
In my opinion it's because he was largely ignored by the Harris team.@@KathrynHaugan
@alicetimmons2938Ай бұрын
He, his base and issues were off the table… also consider her advisors many ex Obama folks who seem to hate sanders just like their ex boss who would do anything to not have Bernie as a dnc candidate…. They shun him.
@mmusya793Ай бұрын
Maybe she should have had Bernie campaigning for her and not Liz Cheney!!! OMFG 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
@adamfrank4192Ай бұрын
Ezra sounds pretty much like a corporate stooge frankly
@dr.coolguyjones9776Ай бұрын
It's almost like he works for the NYT.
@JayceeGenocideАй бұрын
That's because he is a Right Wing Liberal DNC Stooge.
@paragonexperienceАй бұрын
don't worry is podcast is dying lol, he soon won't be relevant
@SeanMintus26 күн бұрын
That’s because he is.
@mooxieartАй бұрын
Cmon Ezra... I like your level of intellectualism but you gotta get out of your bubble and into the real world where the energy is. There's plenty of evidence showing corporatism has degraded our society and is highly unpopular. Let it continue onward and what will be left?
@ephesians_2_8Ай бұрын
He has no “intellectualism.” He is an Israeli propagandist working for this most Goebbels of a newspaper.
@gaspare567Ай бұрын
He's part of the consultant world that benefits directly from corporatism
@ephesians_2_8Ай бұрын
@ He is also a genocide apologist.
@scarletsletter4466Ай бұрын
@@ephesians_2_8 IDF is a top 5 military in the world. If they wanted to eliminate Gaza, they would’ve done it in
@ephesians_2_8Ай бұрын
@ Hasbara.
@geronimo8159Ай бұрын
The word "populist" referring to Sanders just seems a bit odd from a non-US perspective... His points seems so common sense to me.
@ChrisMissalАй бұрын
what do you think the root word of populism is?
@ryanjosephlockАй бұрын
Populism refers to policies that are popular amongst the people. An issue arises though because historically "giving the people what they want" has been used to smuggle some devious BS either explicitly or under the radar - see Hitler as exhibit A. The really borked issue however is that populism can also just refer to popular policies that the majority of the constituency wants as a result of systems that are incompatible with sufficient quality of life - See Sanders. Populism is a bad describing word, it isn't a value judgement. The judgement needs to be made on a case by case scenario and, if it's bad, then call it fascist populism.
@MrInuhanyou123Ай бұрын
Right wing populism vs left wing populism. Bernie champions populism that works for the people and society as a whole. Trump champions irrational hate which is easy to fall prey to
@eemoogee160Ай бұрын
Lol
@eemoogee160Ай бұрын
What is populism if not the Common’s sense?
@uog293Ай бұрын
A man cannot understand something if his salary depends on not understanding it - Ezras plight
@kindwordsfromafriendАй бұрын
Americans visiting Europe are amazed at the quality of life that its citizens enjoy: 35 hour work week, paid family leave, free university, efficient public transit, single-payer healthcare, subsidized childcare, on and on. One important reason is that they haven't made "socialism" a boogey man, in fact socialist parties are part of governing coalitions and are continuously advocating for these positions.
@zuzanazuscinova5209Ай бұрын
Untrue. I'm a European who moved to the US to escape what you have just described. Using public transport is a pain if that's all you can afford. The preference for me is to have a car and good highway system like the US. The free healthcare is many times inefficient and wait times are outrageous. For example , try getting a dentist in Britain. Free education is nice but then again there aren't very many high paying jobs in Europe that education will get you. Sales tax and energy costs are very high. Overall a competent person has a better quality of life in the US. Not to mention WFH is much more acceptable in the US now than in Europe which means you can have a nice house in the suburbs instead of being crammed in a city apartment. There's also very limited availability of subsidized childcare so many people gave to use private anyway.
@FG-yx6egАй бұрын
@@zuzanazuscinova5209the flow goes both ways.
@thinktankdonahueАй бұрын
Lower salaries and median purchasing power
@kindwordsfromafriendАй бұрын
@@zuzanazuscinova5209 Which country are you talking about exactly?
@TWE_2000Ай бұрын
Sure if you're visiting Western or Nordic Europe and your income is in the bottom 30-40th percentile. The median American home is twice the size of the European one and the US median income income is higher than practically every country in Europe. Even when you adjust for cost of living, welfare programs, and taxes, every country in Europe has a larger percent of their population under the American poverty line than the US itself, with the exception of Luxembourg, Switzerland, and Norway. If you're poor it's usually better to live in parts of western and Northern Europe. If you're middle class and above, life is usually better in the US. Which is why there is net migration TOWARDS the US from the EU, and its the case for every single country in Europe. Skilled and educated Europeans know they make much more in the US than in their own country. Also pretty much all the welfare programs you listed exist in the US, they're just at the state level. Some states decide to have expensive public subsidized programs and some states don't. Outside of India the largest public education university system in the world is California's UC/CSU system. Everything has tradeoffs. European countries tend to favor tradeoffs that favor the poorest part of their population at the cost of those who don't need to depend on government assistance. Meanwhile the US tradeoffs are generally more favorable for those who don't require public subsidized aid, and less favorable to those who do.
@rnangel69Ай бұрын
Bernie always has my vote
@TonyWikrentАй бұрын
Klein refuses to engage on the most important issue Shakir presents: the need to confront the powerful. Americans have been acculturated to view contests monochromatically : good versus evil. And the hero has to really HURT the bad guy. For the political situation now, that means not just a full-throated attack on the rich and powerful, but actual perp-walks and convictions of people like Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan Chase, which has five felony convictions since the 2007-8 financial crash. Go after the executives, the people, behind the crimes. Or when private equity executives impose cost cutting on hospitals and nursing homes that result in increased death rates, they should be charged with MURDER. A large part of what liberals hate about Trump -- and that appeals to his base looking for a real fight between good and evil -- is that he is willing to use rhetoric that threatens this type of violent retribution against his opponents.
@developmentalistАй бұрын
You are 100% correct. I was about to write a similar response. I believe Obama did tremendous damage to the Democratic brand when he refused to go after Wall Street and didn't bailout homeowners directly (due to moral hazard, cause the little might learn to rely on their government). Also the rotating villains (Manchin, Cinema, Liberman, etc) of the party that it deploys when it wants to kill a populist policy minium wage increase or public option healthcare must be expelled and replaced. The Republicans did this during the Tea Party era, when they when after the Rinos. Democrats now though are a party of institutionalists and rule followers, in a time when the people hate the institutions and the rules. The future I see is bleak.
@paragonexperienceАй бұрын
no bro voters will totally vote for Kamala, she offers them 30k on a 500k house, I am sure they can find the other 470k lol
@gabrielamora6265Ай бұрын
Why would they go against the people funding their campaigns?
@angelus_luciferoАй бұрын
Yeah, Ezra's just as out of touch as he's ever been. It's really quite incredible to bear witness to the density of one human. What's infuriating is he's definitely not stupid, so it is starting to feel willful.
@yeahright3901Ай бұрын
absolutely? a LOT of trump supporters actually said they'd consider or even vote for bernie because he actually gave a damn about the economy and the working class which a lot of trump supporters are a big part of. A lot of trump supporters legit just care about making money for their families yet dems keep spouting bs after bs.
@RigelOrionBetaАй бұрын
I remember in 2016 hearing this a lot too. And I can't tell you how many times people said it's a reason not to vote for Bernie - because he attracts Trump voters. Imagine NOT wanting people to vote for you in an election. This is a big reason why the Dems lose. Too many Democrats don't care so much about winning as they care about winning OR LOSING with the people they personally feel comfortable being around. Does anyone think for a moment Trump likes being around the vast majority of people who vote for him? Of fucking course not.
@emiiiiАй бұрын
Give the Joe Manchin voters to the GOP in exchange for the Bernie to Trump voters. Then we win.
@Yrneh6 күн бұрын
as a guy who voted for trump all three times this is true, i wouldve voted for bernie in a heartbeat
@kipuvi9181Ай бұрын
Fiaz's analysis is refreshig and this interveiw is just an hour of me yelling at the screen "YOURE NOT GETTING IT EZZRA- UR SO CLOSE PLEASE PLEASE AGHHHH"
@FG-yx6egАй бұрын
💯
@JayceeGenocideАй бұрын
Ezra is PAID to "Not get it".
@paragonexperienceАй бұрын
@@JayceeGenocide this
@DelanManzoАй бұрын
Klein “I know the housing market. The main problem is NIMBYism.” Klein, who is as detached from economic hardship and the people on the ground as anyone, in his gleaming modern spaceship office, dutifully fights hard for the things that his upbringing and class have embedded so deeply in his heart and soul, that they appear as another appendage, or as a reflection of himself: Capitalism, Zionism, Credentialism, DNC bubble brain, and his belief that his own complete and thorough mastery via research of things like the housing market reflect nothing less than absolute reality. Kamala Harris lost because she did the Ezra Klein, not because she and Biden did the Bernie Sanders. And Klein’s insistence otherwise reflects blinkered thought and his own hivemind attachment to others of his ilk and class.
@ricksflicks-Ай бұрын
Spot on.
@norman_5623Ай бұрын
Now that's a claim that can be compared to the facts. In a rare moment of progressivism, the NYT magazine had a story on the socialist housing market in Vienna, where housing is considered a social need and service rather than an investment vehicle for billionaires. The rents are adjusted at 6% of income. (I didn't believe that, so I asked some Austrian tourists. It's true.) The main problem is not NIMBYism. When you demonstrate to people that we will all benefit together from collective action, they'll go along with these rational social programs.
@stuartbeattie6162Ай бұрын
Couldn't have possibly put this better. Nicely done.
@presence5426Ай бұрын
I could not have said it better. Sure, NIMBYism can be a problem. But why does Klein's mind go there? And why does he heap the blame on Progressive & Liberal voters?
@MispeledStalionАй бұрын
NIMBYs are a problem but Ezra's response demonstrates how disconnected he is from the issue tbh. Corporate homebuyers' effects are so obvious if you're even just browsing your neighborhood for For Sale signs.
@pamhall1434Ай бұрын
Great point, Bernie was never acknowledged by Harris.
@DowntownsUptownАй бұрын
He’s a threat.
@dr.coolguyjones9776Ай бұрын
Because she's racist.
@jacoba5048Ай бұрын
@@DowntownsUptown LOL! And what we are doing now is working great! right!
@jcharles8801Ай бұрын
They'd rather align with the right (Liz Cheney) than the left. They think insulting and actively working against the Bernie Sanders left and embracing the moderate right is not going to cost them anything. They f'd around and found out.
@jcharles8801Ай бұрын
They'd rather align with the right (Liz Cheney) than the left. They think insulting and actively working against the Bernie Sanders left and embracing the moderate right is not going to cost them anything. They * around and found out.
@Luke43168Ай бұрын
Hey Ezra, why don't you also just have Bernie on so you can discuss these things with him directly?
@KiDCRuDi_Ай бұрын
56:35 "are w really so different" YES, YOU ARE THE OPPOSITIONAL FORCE THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED 😂
@galluncielloАй бұрын
Ezra just cannot get his bosses's boot out of his own mouth, not even for a second. Embarrassing!
@xclampazzoАй бұрын
"Why the boot may be tastier than you think"
@compediumАй бұрын
Reversed Trump's Muslim ban • Historic Stimulus Bill passed • Ended the war in Afghanistan (Set in place by Trump*) • Reduction of poverty levels by 45% along with reduction of child poverty levels by 61% by the first 6 months • 5 Rounds of cancellation of student loan debt totaling almost $10 billion • Passed largest infrastructure bill in history • The unemployment rate dropped from 6.2% when Biden took office to 3.9%, the biggest single year drop in American history. (This was also affected by COVID quarantine ending.) Year Two Highlights from Year Two • The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 • 3 Additional rounds of student loan debt cancellation (8 rounds so far), totaling up $35 billion for 20-40 million Americans • First major gun legislation in 30 years • CHIPS Act to protect American supply of semi-conductor chips • $62 billion worth of health care subsidies under the ACA (Obamacare), capping insulin at $35 • Allows Medicare to negotiate 100 drugs over the next decade, and requires drug companies to rebate price increases higher than inflation • Unemployment at 50 year low Year Three Highlights from Year Three • Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table by tricking them during the State of the Union • 6 More rounds of student loan debt cancellation (14 rounds so far), totaling up to $127 billion • As of October 2023, 34 straight months of job growth, longest stretch of unemployment below 4% since the 1960s • Child poverty rates fall from 12.6% to 5.8% due to Biden's Expanded Child Tax Credits, 2.9 million kids escape poverty • World's best post-pandemic recovery, doubles all nations except Japan • Created 14 million jobs since he took office - More than any president in history did in four years (and its only been 3 years) • Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16% • Diversity in justice: Majority of Biden’s appointed judges are women, racial or ethnic minorities - a first for any president • Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions. Most people will only remember that he forced rail workers to go back to work in December 2022, even now that will be the top answer if you google "Biden Railworker Deal". But most people do not know that the Biden administration continued to pressure the rail corporations and work with the unions so that in June 2023, the corporations capitulated and gave the rail workers what they wanted. Biden knows how to work politics and knows that the real work isn't done with the cameras on you for a soundbite, but in the background where people can debate without a fickle public watching every move. Year Four (so far) Highlights from Year Four • Another round of student loan cancellation, $1.2 billion this time, 15 rounds so far, totaling more than $128 billion • Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession • Post-pandemic recover still leading the world by far • Plan to modernize American ports • Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief • Violent crime drop significantly since 2020 • $5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
@eemoogee160Ай бұрын
We get cake while he gets the boot
@oledyl4892Ай бұрын
Anecdotally, most people I talk to are anti-corporation; both staunch Reps and Dems. The fact that Dem politicians are not using that disdain is at the very least malpractice and at worst corruption. This can be utilized to propel policies that make the least of our lives better or it can be used to propel us towards authoritarianism. Unfortunately, we are allowing the latter.
@BenMelman-x9rАй бұрын
What’s your gender if I may ask?
@MrRossGodwinАй бұрын
Because of Citizens United, the only way to participate in politics is to run in elections that can maximize donations and people who aren't corporations can't give candidates tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time.
@ThreePuttBogeys88Ай бұрын
I voted for Trump twice and wrote in Bernie in 2016. Bernie would have easily had my vote in 20 and 24.
@moksound19Ай бұрын
I'm interested in hearing more of your perspective. Can you give more detail of why?
@elcadejo44Ай бұрын
Same here. The 2016 primary caused the scales to fall from my eyes in many ways. Only difference is that Bernie also lost my support after he refused to call out the DNC and Clinton campaign for their perversion of justice during that primary. The whole system needs to be dismantled - and it looks like Trump is the man for the job
@HaloX999Ай бұрын
You are irrelevant
@grumpyoldcat8302Ай бұрын
@@elcadejo44that’s a pretty braindead take, Trump has made it clear he isn’t interested in dismantling the system. He’s only interested in distorting it to better fit him. I understand your reasonings for voting for him, but, given where we currently are, you cannot honestly believe he’s going to dismantle anything for the better And where is your horror for all the vile things Trump did? You’re soooooo upset with Bernie for not calling out Hillary, but you support Trump after Jan 6th? That doesn’t add up sweetie
@tylerclark5086Ай бұрын
Same. I’ve voted Trump 3 times and would’ve voted for him over Trump all 3 times given the choice.
@jk_lol9266Ай бұрын
Ezra unironically advocating for more conservatism in the democratic party, as if kamala didn't just lose doing exactly that.
@kevinwoolley7960Ай бұрын
She lost for 99 reasons (inability to answer even basic questions, open southern border, massive inflation, wildly leftist positions in 2019, weird inappropriate laughter), but "too conservative" ain't one...
@analogboiАй бұрын
@@kevinwoolley7960 its the #1 reason imho.
@hitchikerspieАй бұрын
The strongest stated complaint of Harris was that she was too progressive, far more than voters said Trump was too conservative.
@analogboiАй бұрын
@@hitchikerspie maybe in the corporate media, but the actual people felt the opposite.
@hitchikerspieАй бұрын
@@analogboi this is literally surveys of voters. I’m not a Yankee Doodle, my view doesn’t matter here, but it’s just a fact that Kamala was seen as more extreme than Trump by more voters 🤷♀️
@protonmail1970Ай бұрын
Ezra Klein finding a way to swallow the whole boot in this interview. What a corporate stooge.
@Luke43168Ай бұрын
Klein and his paper feigning after all this time the pretension of "neutrality" is something beyond a parody.
@dewberry3043Ай бұрын
I'm a Trump voter. But I'm good if Bernie was the Dem candidate and won.
@compediumАй бұрын
Reversed Trump's Muslim ban • Historic Stimulus Bill passed • Ended the war in Afghanistan (Set in place by Trump*) • Reduction of poverty levels by 45% along with reduction of child poverty levels by 61% by the first 6 months • 5 Rounds of cancellation of student loan debt totaling almost $10 billion • Passed largest infrastructure bill in history • The unemployment rate dropped from 6.2% when Biden took office to 3.9%, the biggest single year drop in American history. (This was also affected by COVID quarantine ending.) Year Two Highlights from Year Two • The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 • 3 Additional rounds of student loan debt cancellation (8 rounds so far), totaling up $35 billion for 20-40 million Americans • First major gun legislation in 30 years • CHIPS Act to protect American supply of semi-conductor chips • $62 billion worth of health care subsidies under the ACA (Obamacare), capping insulin at $35 • Allows Medicare to negotiate 100 drugs over the next decade, and requires drug companies to rebate price increases higher than inflation • Unemployment at 50 year low Year Three Highlights from Year Three • Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table by tricking them during the State of the Union • 6 More rounds of student loan debt cancellation (14 rounds so far), totaling up to $127 billion • As of October 2023, 34 straight months of job growth, longest stretch of unemployment below 4% since the 1960s • Child poverty rates fall from 12.6% to 5.8% due to Biden's Expanded Child Tax Credits, 2.9 million kids escape poverty • World's best post-pandemic recovery, doubles all nations except Japan • Created 14 million jobs since he took office - More than any president in history did in four years (and its only been 3 years) • Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16% • Diversity in justice: Majority of Biden’s appointed judges are women, racial or ethnic minorities - a first for any president • Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions. Most people will only remember that he forced rail workers to go back to work in December 2022, even now that will be the top answer if you google "Biden Railworker Deal". But most people do not know that the Biden administration continued to pressure the rail corporations and work with the unions so that in June 2023, the corporations capitulated and gave the rail workers what they wanted. Biden knows how to work politics and knows that the real work isn't done with the cameras on you for a soundbite, but in the background where people can debate without a fickle public watching every move. Year Four (so far) Highlights from Year Four • Another round of student loan cancellation, $1.2 billion this time, 15 rounds so far, totaling more than $128 billion • Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession • Post-pandemic recover still leading the world by far • Plan to modernize American ports • Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief • Violent crime drop significantly since 2020 • $5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
@KataquanАй бұрын
No you guys dont understand *real* centerism hasn't been tried yet, we swear it'll work next time. One more chance, bro please, I swear it'll work /s
@PhilsmahsmchjsbАй бұрын
You’re not on Reddit no need for the s
@jimmccall-yo7esАй бұрын
If by centrism you're referring to neoliberalism which Bill Clinton brought into the Democratic party, you're correct.
@smz5302Ай бұрын
^^Bingo.
@KataquanАй бұрын
@@PhilsmahsmchjsbI don't have enough faith in the youtube comment section to pick up on sarcasm lol
@wesleycanada3675Ай бұрын
@jimmccall-yo7es the 1990s were 30 years ago. And a large part of his success was from ross perot. The last 3 elections the democrats ran centralist and it only worked when there was a global pandemic and when Biden said he supported things like a public option
@PhantomShock421Ай бұрын
Yes. End of video.
@mor4652Ай бұрын
Ezra is just willfully ignorant. He just cannot fathom any perspective outside of his worldview.
@xclampazzoАй бұрын
Dude grew up in Irvine, Ca. He has never worked a real job in his life.
@scottblunt5897Ай бұрын
Erza is begining to really frustrate me lately.
@kindwordsfromafriendАй бұрын
He's being willfully obtuse around any question related to economic populism.
@jonathanpuigvert7468Ай бұрын
@@kindwordsfromafriend and has always been.
@TheWhitePennyАй бұрын
@@kindwordsfromafriend water is wet.
@compediumАй бұрын
I thought he did a good job. Ezra challenged the idea that Bernie Sanders' style of economic populism is the answer to Democrats' problems.... he kept bringing up some key problems: Biden is already quite populist but isn't very popular; even great populist politicians like Sherrod Brown are losing working-class areas; and Joe Manchin actually won by being moderate (shooting ad..), not populist. Ezra Klein's main point seemed to be that while talking about economic fairness sounds great in theory, the real world is messier - you might lose suburban voters if you go too hard against the wealthy, cultural issues like immigration can't just be swept aside, and similar left-wing movements in other countries haven't done very well. Throughout the interview, he kept asking for real evidence that this approach would work for anyone besides Bernie himself. Democrats' challenges can't be solved just by changing how they talk about the economy.
@LeftistatthepartyАй бұрын
@@compedium People don't really just the brand of the democratic party because tey haven't felt geniuine for a long time. Also Biden hasn't been nearly as bold in his economic populism as he could be.
@TheDiamondSeaАй бұрын
I’m not 100% sure that Bernie would’ve won, but I also can’t think of any viable alternative for the Democrats going forward.
@zuzanazuscinova5209Ай бұрын
There isn't anyone.
@TheDiamondSeaАй бұрын
@ I mean his messaging, not necessarily the man himself.
@xclampazzoАй бұрын
I'm sure they will prop up some corporate goon, lose, and then scold the base for not doing their job and voting for who they were told to vote for.
@901WesАй бұрын
Well messaging is important of course . As long as he didn’t fall into the they/ them trap and constantly pushed for more fairness he would’ve won. Conservatives don’t care about cultural issues (nearly as much) as long as they can buy more stuff and have basic needs be affordable , and feel that their children have better futures ahead , not sliding backwards . He doesn’t have that corporate stink on him like Harris did. The age issue would’ve been big in 24, but prior to that hell yeah, as long as the party didn’t try to sabotage him.
@eemoogee160Ай бұрын
It should be clear the 2 party system is untenable
@chadjohnson2338Ай бұрын
Bernie won the majority of districts in Wisconsin, but yet, who did the super delegates vote for?
@eemoogee160Ай бұрын
Even Joe Scarborough was shocked at how blatantly rigged that primary was.
@julkiewitzАй бұрын
It's not "who's on the side of the worker" as much as "who's going to disrupt this system that we all agree we don't like". What we disrupt it with for many voters is a secondary question. They want things smashed. They want change, not the change in name only but actual disruptive change. It sometimes leads them to authoritarian right, but it can equally well lead them to the progressive left. What you can't do is to endlessly moderate it because very few people actually like the way things are.
@eemoogee160Ай бұрын
Who could possibly defy the donors?
@susanlippy100926 күн бұрын
Exactly. The masses want change. They voted for Trump because they believe he will break things. He's started out doing a bang up job catering to Musk and his insanity. Trump was and is the candidate most likely to break America and cause revolution. Harris promised the status quo. Let's see if Trump lives up to his reputation or if it is just more of what we have. I think Trump duped voters. I don't see any real change. Money wins yet again.
@dreypageАй бұрын
Ezra’s inability or refusal to acknowledge the experiences and narratives Faiz spoke to represents what happens when you seldom leave the ivory tower.
@SCA440Ай бұрын
Ezra is an elitist snob. Thats why his side didn't win. Until he comes back down to Earth, he will continue to lose.
@zuzanazuscinova5209Ай бұрын
It's who he is
@xclampazzoАй бұрын
People like Ezra need to find new careers.
@FG-yx6egАй бұрын
@@xclampazzo lol. Ezra is not loved in this comments section. It's curious
@xclampazzoАй бұрын
Dude grew up in Irvine, Ca. He has never lived on planet earth , or worked a real job in his life.
@imalloutagum6083Ай бұрын
Before even listening to this, the answer to the question posed in the title is, yes. It was yes in 2020 too.
@RigelOrionBetaАй бұрын
And 2016
@terrymckenzie857Ай бұрын
There is PLENTY of building going on in Chicago, and has been non-stop since the early aughts, with a brief break during the financial crisis. The problem is that it's ALL LUXURY HOUSING. Tens of thousands of affordable housing units have been razed or gut-rehabbed, changing and gentrifying the entire north side and parts of the South Side, driving out lower income people. That fact explains how we in the middle and working class neighborhoods of the far N side rebelled and tossed out Rahm Emmanuel, Lori Lightfoot, and trounced Paul Vallas in favor of a city council majority that no longer heels to the real estate lobby that has forced moderate income people out of neighborhoods like Bronzeville, Pilsen, Bridgeport, Uptown, Edgwater, Rogers Park, Logan Square, Wicker Park, Bucktown, Lakeview, Albany Park, Ravenswood, Lincoln Square, West Town, Ukrainian Village, Near West Side, Humboldt Park, etc. The Working Families Party and DSA candidates won in many of those neighborhoods, as many of us tossed out the developer funded candidates and demanded more AFFORDABLE housing units be built.
@Millipede666Ай бұрын
The real issue is for Bernie style politics is that guys like Ezra won't vote for it and prefer Trump.
@searedpandaАй бұрын
That’s the thing, though. Bernie style politics would work because it’s way easier to bully Democratic Party loyalists and MSNBC-type liberals to vote for a Bernie than it is to bully the working class to vote for a corporate neoliberal. The only hurdle is overcoming the corruption of the DNC by moneyed interests, which Bernie nearly achieved.
@Christmas12Ай бұрын
What Ezra is looking to understand about Bernie is that Bernie is a 'statesman', which a higher quality of politician beyond what exists in congress today - moral compass, a bedrock of principles, the ability to build consensus these qualities are rare to non existent in most of congress - and if you put it all together in one person you get a statesman
@angelus_luciferoАй бұрын
"Sanders is just genuinely appalled," Ezra Klein exclaimed as he pondered the discomforts and inconveniences of living in his ivory tower. His exasperation remained a mystery to all those who lacked his superior intellect.
@SallyRobertsWilsonАй бұрын
People want a party that will serve them - that will deliver the goods, bring home the bacon, and create and sustain a system that makes their lives liveable.
@xclampazzoАй бұрын
Democrats are too smart to understand this.
@brendantoungate8287Ай бұрын
Ezra seems obsessed with what others think: Faiz is stressing standing by what *you* think is good. That's what connects Bernie, Trump, Joe Manchin, AOC, etc.
@davidbrady1825Ай бұрын
Bernie wins Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Nevada. So YES Bernie would've won
@bradenhazle4378Ай бұрын
In 2016 he freaking won Oklahoma, Alaska, Nebraska, Idaho, etc the vast majority of the deep red midwest. It's a no-brainer,
@LoriTianSailiataАй бұрын
Ezra, I love your content, but I do think you’re too close to the housing crisis (wife’s reporting) to be nuanced in this. Most problems are multivalent, but you are not seeing that the NIMBYs are being ginned up by folks that profit from their policies (bankers & builders) We have plenty of housing. We lack housing that we need. Much in the same way that US made trucks have become “muscle-bound” rather than functional, housing is not giving us what we want or need, but what makes a profit at our expense. We are given false choice options like toddlers asked if they want to wear the striped or polka dot socks. As long as empty buildings are a business write off, we will not get proper housing options.
@chanteuse27Ай бұрын
UGHHH Ezra politics 101a most people vote based on how a candidate makes them feel not on perfect policy. For instance a very small thing - when did dems start saying middle class and stop saying working class? Look at bill and jfk speeches, it cuts across: Dems don’t make workers feel like they hear and feel your pain, the answer is status quo, democracy is slow and takes time, being moral police but then playing hypocrites, making everything the anti-Trump party, and not responding to the urgency of the existential crises we’re all terrified of. You’re playing defense on trumps turf and playing right into his hand and your yelling is not even being heard anymore- it means nothing and we’re all sick of it. You need to create a whole new turf.
@compediumАй бұрын
I thought he did a good job. Ezra challenged the idea that Bernie Sanders' style of economic populism is the answer to Democrats' problems.... he kept bringing up some key problems: Biden is already quite populist but isn't very popular; even great populist politicians like Sherrod Brown are losing working-class areas; and Joe Manchin actually won by being moderate (shooting ad..), not populist. Ezra Klein's main point seemed to be that while talking about economic fairness sounds great in theory, the real world is messier - you might lose suburban voters if you go too hard against the wealthy, cultural issues like immigration can't just be swept aside, and similar left-wing movements in other countries haven't done very well. Throughout the interview, he kept asking for real evidence that this approach would work for anyone besides Bernie himself. Democrats' challenges can't be solved just by changing how they talk about the economy.
@chanteuse27Ай бұрын
@ this is debunked info that pelosi and the institutional dems shove down our throats so keep padding her pockets and bring about real democracy for the people in favor of true progressive policies. Look at 2016 DNC corruption in pulling forward Hilary, Bernie’s polls, interviews on Rogan and Fox News. He’s for the people by the people and REAL so he connects. Biden and the DNC preach moral imperatives and chastise and polarize the right with their woke BS that doesn’t speak to vast majority of voters or their needs meanwhile they’re involved in various scandals, billionaires, superPACs, etc. that have them appear they’re just as bad as Trump and simply different shades of Republican. This dem woke cancel culture excludes and shuts down any sort of discussion of coalition building beyond their own echo chambers and then you wonder why it was a clear cut election? It’s about the emotional not policies - do you connect and are you authentic do I feel like you’re working for me and not the establishment. This was an anti-establishment election where people need transformational change and at the end of the day they ran on the status quo and didn’t speak to majority of Americans at all nor meet them where they’re at (hence the elitist judgment from many former dems)
@chanteuse27Ай бұрын
@ also re: Joe Manchins popularity it goes back to him being anti-establishment and pushing back on dems when not in service of the people. Indisputable fact- president with a 30% approval rating is certainly NOT a populist. This hyperfocus on policies and identity politics you’re espousing is what the dems totally missed and will continue to lose elections until they get it.
@neutral_narrАй бұрын
@compedium it's the populist message not policy
@eemoogee160Ай бұрын
I think the 2 party system is a dead end
@r8chllettersАй бұрын
Duh! You people screwed our one and only chance.
@picklethepirateАй бұрын
Aww you actually believe Bernie was honest? Adorable!!!
@xclampazzoАй бұрын
Actually, they had 3 chances. In the single race they won, it was an all-time squeaker while the country was melting down. But you see, the DNC are smart.
@xclampazzoАй бұрын
@@picklethepirate Bernie has been saying the same things for DECADES. Unlike Kamala who changed all her policies when she was coronated. I think I know how is the honest one.
@storey13Ай бұрын
The guy hosting this podcast comes off as annoying, smug, and acts like a know it all. Needs to move out of the city and live in a working class environment for a couple of years and see the United States that so many of us are suffering in.
@scotthunt4206Ай бұрын
Annoying and smug describes pretty much every member of the Democratic Establishment and Liberal Media.
@Parallax982Ай бұрын
What a breath of fresh air Mr. Shakir is. The Harris campaign was so brain dead. So obviously empty, afraid to say anything, aligned with corporations. She sent Marc Cuban out to tell rich people she wasn't going to tax them and expected that we on the left would turn out for her because we had nowhere else to go. She campaigned with Liz Cheney but wouldn't meet with those who care about the people of Gaza. Despite how nauseatingly empty I found her campaign, I nevertheless campaigned for her. But there was no energy because people like me were turned off. We need real Democrats. Candidates who believe in something and are willing to stand for it. If someone ran on adding a public option to the ACA, I think they'd win going away. Try arguing against a public option. Doesn't require anyone to give anything up. "Private companies will be driven out!" they'll say. To which we'll respond, "Oh cry me a river. What's wrong? The super efficiency of the capitalists can't compete with the inefficiencies of big government?" That's just one issue among many. So many possibilities to fire up a constituency and get them out there, knocking on doors, working hard. Please, Democrats, no more empty suits like Harris. No more hypocrites like Biden. Find a young Bernie and don't sabotage the campaign. Get behind a real economic populist. FDR ran on economic populism and won overwhelmingly, four times in a row. At the height of his power, he had 80% majorities in Congress.
@MrMikey1981Ай бұрын
I like you, Ezra, but the introduction to this podcast was frustrating and I think it is the reason why people didn't get behind Harris. The media telling us that it is obvious that Biden was the most working-class friendly administration since FDR is not the answer. Being told how to think about something that should seem obvious to me, actually should be obvious. The Democrats will continue to fail if the media doesn't listen then report instead of pushing an agenda that satisfies the left-wing establishment (the Clintons, Harris, etc.) and doesn't grow the coalition across the political spectrum.
@FG-yx6egАй бұрын
💯
@LeftistatthepartyАй бұрын
Clinton and Harris and the rest of that side aren't left-wing.
@901WesАй бұрын
The idea that Biden was the most working class friendly administration since FDR is…. Not even true I don’t think. But let’s say it was….. the bar is under the dang Mariana Trench. People needed price controls and housing price controls , atleast till prices and wages stabilized more in the favor of the average American. Or atleast attempts to do so. Then you could blame the republicans when it fails . As for the media I have no hope . Too greedy, too out of touch, too willing to lie and push a pro rich agenda , and since the media is lost it’s just going to continue spiraling .
@eemoogee160Ай бұрын
@@FG-yx6eg yes except those Democrats you mentioned aren’t leftist at all! 😮
@lizzy-wx4rxАй бұрын
As someone who is actually listening to the podcast and not just responding to the (frankly clickbait) title, I just wanted to say that this is an excellent discussion. I've been a Bernie partisan since 2016, and I thought all of Ezra's questions and responses were fair, thoughtful, and yielded an enriching exchange that is rare in our current media landscape. Well done!
@cactusimonАй бұрын
I’m frankly surprised that Klein still has a show. So little real care. So little courage.
@kaisarkhan3691Ай бұрын
The host of the show repeatedly refused to "buy" any argument, which can be a point of reflection for the donkey party. This delusional ignorance will cost democrats a lot of elections in the coming future 😢
@alexandersohm7501Ай бұрын
I would like to make the observation that of the last 3 Democratic candidates, two at the least ignored Bernie and at the worst attacked him. Only one brought Bernie to the table and made him part of the discussion. I am not saying that because Biden actually brought Bernie to the table, that is why he won in 2020, but it is a question that should be asked. Also you can replace Bernie in that question with the progressive movement. I am almost 50 now and the first time I ever voted was in 2016. There are 2 reasons for that and one is that I grew up in NY until 1996 and had heard plenty about Donald Trump as I was growing up so I did not like the idea of him becoming President. The other reason is that in Bernie, for the first time in my life, I saw a candidate for President who had a sincerity that had been lacking in any candidate I had ever seen in my lifetime. I could tell he actually cared about the struggles of the working class. Unfortunately there are people on the right who feel the same way about Trump but everything I had ever seen and heard from Trump in my lifetime showed me that all he really cared about was himself.
@dreypageАй бұрын
Faiz served up the template to win in ‘26 and ‘28.
@eemoogee160Ай бұрын
What Democrat will defy their party’s donators?
@audreymuzingo933Ай бұрын
Is Ezra is just playing Devil's Advocate in this discussion? I've never heard him sound so corporate-apologist, in fact I could swear I've heard him advocate for things like what the guest is saying.
@xclampazzoАй бұрын
He was given his script.
@heatherdaley1650Ай бұрын
Is Ezra deliberately dense?
@audreymuzingo933Ай бұрын
I just remember in 2016 feeling so dismayed and ashamed that the minimum wage had not risen since 2009. -If you told me then that in another 8 years ... after further financial disruptions brought on by a global pandemic, and massive inflation of everyday living costs like food and shelter ..... the minimum wage would _still_ be seven dollars and twenty-five cents ....... I just wouldn't believe you. I wouldn't. How could I believe something that sick and un-American?
@andresjf0608Ай бұрын
More than ever, this is the exact reason why this country needs to move towards Ranked-Choice Voting. If we had Ranked-Choice voting in 2016, every Clinton voter would've put Bernie as their 2nd choice, and every Trump voter would've put Bernie as their 2nd choice. Would that have changed the results?? We will never know, and I am not suggesting that. But the post-election conversation would've shifted to this: "Why are Americans so vehemently divided on their 1st choice? But why are they in unanimous agreement on their 2nd choice?"
@grumpyoldcat8302Ай бұрын
I cannot begin to fathom why ranked-choice voting ballot measures failed so tremendously this year
@hohuho420Ай бұрын
Anecdotal, but every republican I have a substantive conversation with has respect for Bernie, and Bernie alone on the "left." Consistency, plain messaging, and a working-class-forward platform go a long way for people.
@NewEnglander15Ай бұрын
I have had the same experience
@ben-fe3zyАй бұрын
I suppose the question then is.... Will the college educated,"centrists", vote for him (or now, someone like him). If so, the problem is the party
@hohuho420Ай бұрын
@@ben-fe3zy I don't consider them a constituency worth wasting too much energy on, as we learned this year you can dump $1bil into them and get served a loss
@jonathanpuigvert7468Ай бұрын
@hohuho420 exactly, it is not worth sacrificing 2/3's of the electorate for a few thousand suburban votes.
@ben-fe3zyАй бұрын
@@jonathanpuigvert7468 agreed
@amiracl0Ай бұрын
Honestly I clicked to hate listen (because NY Times lol) but my god Fiaz is speaking to my soul. Great episode.
@mayaturnnow9110Ай бұрын
Elites talking about the working class is always such a laugh
@TheWhitePennyАй бұрын
They have all the answers... Thats what I've always been told. 😂
@AnonymousFriend-i7lАй бұрын
Yeah! It's like they want to talk about the working class so they can win the vote. Got no soul in it. Bernie has soul.
@oledyl4892Ай бұрын
A charismatic populist of any stripes could win in this environment. Good policy helps but the key is charisma. Almost every democrat is the opposite of that. They can have some success because we are in a two party system but they lack all charisma. There, I solved it, you’re welcome. Dems run a charismatic populist that wants to fight for the working class without blaming other working class people.
@BenMelman-x9rАй бұрын
Ro Khanna is my bet.
@zuzanazuscinova5209Ай бұрын
That's absolutely right. Charisma is the key.
@compediumАй бұрын
Reversed Trump's Muslim ban • Historic Stimulus Bill passed • Ended the war in Afghanistan (Set in place by Trump*) • Reduction of poverty levels by 45% along with reduction of child poverty levels by 61% by the first 6 months • 5 Rounds of cancellation of student loan debt totaling almost $10 billion • Passed largest infrastructure bill in history • The unemployment rate dropped from 6.2% when Biden took office to 3.9%, the biggest single year drop in American history. (This was also affected by COVID quarantine ending.) Year Two Highlights from Year Two • The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 • 3 Additional rounds of student loan debt cancellation (8 rounds so far), totaling up $35 billion for 20-40 million Americans • First major gun legislation in 30 years • CHIPS Act to protect American supply of semi-conductor chips • $62 billion worth of health care subsidies under the ACA (Obamacare), capping insulin at $35 • Allows Medicare to negotiate 100 drugs over the next decade, and requires drug companies to rebate price increases higher than inflation • Unemployment at 50 year low Year Three Highlights from Year Three • Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table by tricking them during the State of the Union • 6 More rounds of student loan debt cancellation (14 rounds so far), totaling up to $127 billion • As of October 2023, 34 straight months of job growth, longest stretch of unemployment below 4% since the 1960s • Child poverty rates fall from 12.6% to 5.8% due to Biden's Expanded Child Tax Credits, 2.9 million kids escape poverty • World's best post-pandemic recovery, doubles all nations except Japan • Created 14 million jobs since he took office - More than any president in history did in four years (and its only been 3 years) • Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16% • Diversity in justice: Majority of Biden’s appointed judges are women, racial or ethnic minorities - a first for any president • Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions. Most people will only remember that he forced rail workers to go back to work in December 2022, even now that will be the top answer if you google "Biden Railworker Deal". But most people do not know that the Biden administration continued to pressure the rail corporations and work with the unions so that in June 2023, the corporations capitulated and gave the rail workers what they wanted. Biden knows how to work politics and knows that the real work isn't done with the cameras on you for a soundbite, but in the background where people can debate without a fickle public watching every move. Year Four (so far) Highlights from Year Four • Another round of student loan cancellation, $1.2 billion this time, 15 rounds so far, totaling more than $128 billion • Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession • Post-pandemic recover still leading the world by far • Plan to modernize American ports • Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief • Violent crime drop significantly since 2020 • $5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
@masacioАй бұрын
Ezra, you kept bringing up people wouldn't like having their taxes raised to pay for Medicare For All (single payer healthcare), but you left out that their current health care costs would disappear, netting them more money, not less. Just like the normal main stream press does.
@ryanfitzgerald9833Ай бұрын
With good management. Yeah definitely. His messages are popular. He is too consistent to really attack him the same way some other politicians could be attacked and it's dangerous to go after him in the way one would Biden or a Harris. And he does very much have that populist air of. I'm tired of this BS and I want to help you people. I actually care about your problems. So yes, if he were properly managed and about 15 years younger definitely.
@jennysteves29 күн бұрын
What unnerves me about this interview is that it’s all about the selling of the DNC to party ‘consumers’ - how to tweak perception of the DNC and amplify woo . Not one compassionate statement about human beings themselves.
@Alexandra-qr1nxАй бұрын
This conversation was amazing. We need to be talking to people who don’t agree with ! Ezra and this guy don’t agree on everything, but this conversation is civil, intelligent, and informative. We must broaden our horizons and not assume we have to agree with people in the left camp about everything. The litmus test of wokness has actually become quite dividing among different branches of the left. We must grow beyond wokness to build COALITIONS with people of varying left-leaning opinions. We must find our COMMON GROUND with each other and hold fast to that ground ~ because otherwise they will be successful splintering us more than we already have splintered OURSELVES. Thank you, Ezra and New York Times for airing vibrant conversations where people don’t all agree.
@Eldrad235Ай бұрын
Short answer YES
@FlamingSwordOfWisdom108Ай бұрын
Yes
@mooxieartАй бұрын
Yes to Bernie & yes to Faiz.
@paulrouth5997Ай бұрын
One of the things that people forget, I think, is that it isn't just blue-collar workers the Democratic establishment doesn't get, it's white-collar workers as well that feel disenfranchised to a certain extent. Telling people you have no choice just disconnects people from the process. First to Post has created these problems by creating a system that only allows two parties to effectively compete.
@dylangamble4810Ай бұрын
The irony of the New York Times putting this out. They were putting out anti-Bernie ads everyday of the 2016 campaign. It was a disgrace.
@davidmahoney1248Ай бұрын
Fiaz for the WIN!
@loftybasta7087Ай бұрын
Since Reagan we have elected to give the founders & stock holders ALL the increase in profits resulting from working productive labor. Women had to join the workforce in order to pay for the university, doctors, loans and other expenses to raise their children. Leaders as Trump managed to direct their anger away from the abuse of rich people. We are sacrificing future generations
@tucobenedicto936Ай бұрын
Klein wants to frame everything as a scarce resource problematic, as if the question is only how to divide X amount of a good.
@AdamCarbone1Ай бұрын
We are entering an era of class warfare and people don't want to admit it, start talking class based issues, and you will get those people back...
@momo8200Ай бұрын
Bernie would have had an uphill climb like no other democratic candidate. It would have been similar to McGovern 1972. Most Democratic politicians across the country would do everything to undermine his potential general election campaign, some would even endorse Trump. Virtually all of the media would run against him. Many older Democratic voters still listen to, and/or put trust in the mainstream media. All the big voices would be telling voters that Bernie can’t be trusted one way or another.
@RigelOrionBetaАй бұрын
Trump has been hated by the media for the last 10 years at least. He has won 2 election. When will y'all realize the media is not seen as reliable anymore? And frankly, those people are right - not because they spread fake news, but because they are very selective about what they air and what they don't.
@amosbatto3051Ай бұрын
Sounds like what the media think about Trump. Most Americans are dissatisfied with the system, so when the media attacks a politician, it actually helps him with many voters. All the polls showing Bernie winning in a general election.
@EricVoegelinАй бұрын
The NY Times should be left to go out of business.
@adamgarcia7192Ай бұрын
A Democratic primary does not a general election make. Bernie would have won: 2016, 2020, 2024
@julietfontaine4707Ай бұрын
This is why I don't like Ezra
@grumpyoldcat8302Ай бұрын
It’s 2024. The democratic establishment doomed us to this in 2016 and again in 2020. Bernie is too old to run again, so, as much as we love the “I told you so”, it’s not constructive. It’s time to look toward what our future can be, to who the new leaders of America will be
@nickmcgookin247Ай бұрын
We need to get rid of people that went with her, He got 2nd place in the last primary. We need change not the same failure.
@GrandtheatrixАй бұрын
Nah, I told you so is helpful, because we need to be clear about which direction we need to go, and it's Toward Bernie style social democracy , not more Hillary style neoliberalism.
@KayAnn2121Ай бұрын
I’m wondering if a politician with name recognition like Beto O’Rourke could begin working with Bernie on the same issues. Maybe he could become his heir apparent. By the time the next presidential election rolls around he could become a legitimate contender.
@compediumАй бұрын
Reversed Trump's Muslim ban • Historic Stimulus Bill passed • Ended the war in Afghanistan (Set in place by Trump*) • Reduction of poverty levels by 45% along with reduction of child poverty levels by 61% by the first 6 months • 5 Rounds of cancellation of student loan debt totaling almost $10 billion • Passed largest infrastructure bill in history • The unemployment rate dropped from 6.2% when Biden took office to 3.9%, the biggest single year drop in American history. (This was also affected by COVID quarantine ending.) Year Two Highlights from Year Two • The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 • 3 Additional rounds of student loan debt cancellation (8 rounds so far), totaling up $35 billion for 20-40 million Americans • First major gun legislation in 30 years • CHIPS Act to protect American supply of semi-conductor chips • $62 billion worth of health care subsidies under the ACA (Obamacare), capping insulin at $35 • Allows Medicare to negotiate 100 drugs over the next decade, and requires drug companies to rebate price increases higher than inflation • Unemployment at 50 year low Year Three Highlights from Year Three • Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table by tricking them during the State of the Union • 6 More rounds of student loan debt cancellation (14 rounds so far), totaling up to $127 billion • As of October 2023, 34 straight months of job growth, longest stretch of unemployment below 4% since the 1960s • Child poverty rates fall from 12.6% to 5.8% due to Biden's Expanded Child Tax Credits, 2.9 million kids escape poverty • World's best post-pandemic recovery, doubles all nations except Japan • Created 14 million jobs since he took office - More than any president in history did in four years (and its only been 3 years) • Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16% • Diversity in justice: Majority of Biden’s appointed judges are women, racial or ethnic minorities - a first for any president • Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions. Most people will only remember that he forced rail workers to go back to work in December 2022, even now that will be the top answer if you google "Biden Railworker Deal". But most people do not know that the Biden administration continued to pressure the rail corporations and work with the unions so that in June 2023, the corporations capitulated and gave the rail workers what they wanted. Biden knows how to work politics and knows that the real work isn't done with the cameras on you for a soundbite, but in the background where people can debate without a fickle public watching every move. Year Four (so far) Highlights from Year Four • Another round of student loan cancellation, $1.2 billion this time, 15 rounds so far, totaling more than $128 billion • Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession • Post-pandemic recover still leading the world by far • Plan to modernize American ports • Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief • Violent crime drop significantly since 2020 • $5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure
@User53857Ай бұрын
NO FAMILIES LIKE PAYING 500-1000$ a month for their PRIVATE INSURANCE. They HATE COPAYS and deductibles!!! They hate surprise bills, they hate out of network fees!
@dominicaaaaa5547Ай бұрын
As a British person i think bernie is fantastic and would love him to lead the labour party over here. I guess we have a joe Biden type leader only 20 years younger and with more capacity.
@_PaintedАй бұрын
He would have won if he could get on the ballots as the Democratic candidate, but there were several hurdles within the Democratic Party that made that impossible. He’s too old now though and deserves to be allowed to retire in dignity rather than being pressured to run in 2028. He should choose a successor for 2028 and work outside of the Democratic Party if necessary.
@tcorourke2007Ай бұрын
Jesus H. Christ, not this again.
@justincrimin7120Ай бұрын
I couldn't finish it 🗑
@philiphorrocks6107Ай бұрын
interview Thomas franks
@paulsturgul5829Ай бұрын
I liked Fiaz's comment that when many people think of the Democratic Party, they think of a party that keeps contacting them to ask for money. I also think that Fiaz is on the right track when he mentions re-forming the way the Democratic Party operates. One way is to begin at the local level. The Democrats should have permanent offices in small town America. The Democrats should organize focus groups, town hall meetings, book clubs, educational programs, local government committees etc. The Democratic Party needs to rebuild, staring at the ground level. Right now the Democratic party appears [and is] too distant from where working class people are. No wonder it has alienated itself from the working class, from rural Americans, and from others who feel that they have been left behind, that they are not listened to by the party leadership. The Democrats need to go into the working class and learn what it is like to be in the working class, to listen to workers so that they can respond to workers' needs. This approach is a bit like the Worker-Priest Movement in France, where some churchmen realized that the working class had become so alienated from the Church that in order to win back the workers, the priests themselves had to become part of the workering class. Let's try it. The present way of doing business is not working.
@Michael-zr4kgАй бұрын
34:00 good of ezra to correct himself and say “democratic coalition.” I immediately thought, since when were NIMBYs supporting bernie!?
@RyanrobiАй бұрын
The environmentals do and they are behind most laws that make building illegal.
@drseventrys1119Ай бұрын
24:00 interjecting here before I go on, if Joe manchin had delivered on those things then the Democratic brand wouldn't have been as broken and he could have still won. Joe manchin's local redness is tribal, but a rising Democratic brand would have resulted in the opposite New York times map.
@drseventrys1119Ай бұрын
Embracing Bernie ism is about rejecting democratic hypocrisy
@Pigeon6666Ай бұрын
Joe Manchin is corrupt af and hated by many. Those who support him are basically voters who support Republican ideals. He is a politician due to cronieism, wealth and pandering to the rich.
@jukestapositionАй бұрын
Ezra is so out of touch. Next
@liarcheckmate701Ай бұрын
There's a certain healthcare CEO who probably wishes the Democrats had let Bernie win the nomination.
@TheReddaredevil223Ай бұрын
He's not wishing anything bro
@sirripsalot42015 күн бұрын
16, 20, and 24... yes.
@justincrimin7120Ай бұрын
Uhh…Faiz Shakir ran a faild campaign. Why are we supposed to take his advice again? I could see if this was Jeff Weaver in 2016….