“ F-4 PHANTOM II FLIGHT CHARACTERISTICS ” 1960 MCDONNELL DOUGLAS JET FIGHTER PROMO FILM 23354

[@compwiz101]

This is the most meta training film I've ever seen. I feel like whoever made this went on to make things that did well at film festivals.

[@MongooseTacticool]

It's an effective format of discussing making the video, whilst actually teaching the subject.

[@simontist]

It's written like a Socratic Dialogue.

[@garyc6183]

I know its an Air Force training film, but, it would have been better if after they showed the gate opening they would have cut to a carrier launch.

[@cortnymccracken]

My father did the flat spin program in the F-4 and got out of multiple flat spins, he won the Iven C Kincheloe award in 1962 against John Glenn. Don McCracken, recipient

[@PeriscopeFilm]

Wow!

[@homefront3162]

cortnyhieu Dang... how did the engines keep from flameout? Props

[@pantaglieze]

Really impressive,your dad.Pilots loved the F-4,but had to know a helluva lot about flying and a helluva lot about the F-4. Just watching them go afterburner on take-off was a pounding,wide-eyed rush.

[@estebahngman4152]

Wow ! Incredible ! Glen must have learned this from your dad because he used it in space when his space capsule started spinning out of control .

[@ChiekoGamers]

Cool story

[@CapitalRoach]

Drawing Dave is my hero.

[@alangeddes268]

f-4 1. Go fast 2.make a lot of noise 3. Leave an oil slick in the sky. Love these old birds.

[@robertlassiter907]

I joined the Air Force in 76 and watched a lot of these old films in training/BS sessions. I was an aircraft electrician on F15’s , F-16’s and A-10’s. Never worked on F-4’s but did have to do hot pit refueling training at McDill on them even though I was in an F-16 squadron. Sitting under them while they were running refueling with a headset on. You wouldn’t believe what the pilot and back seater would gossip about. The seventies and early eighties were a great time to be in the Air Force. The memories get better the older I get.

[@jamestorrence9340]

I was in USAF 1981 - 1987. I saw what routine can do in "peacetime" airlift squadrons in the states, from the base communications viewpoint. I was stationed at a MAC base in Southern California. One C-141 squadron would ignore Immediate messages (which they were required to pick up ASAP) until it was convenient for them to collect messages. One night a message came in instructing them to send an aircraft on a mission as soon as they could get it in the air. They ignored my call about the high priority message, as usual. Turned out to be a real-world mission that did not get done. Heads rolled. No one in the air wing ignored an immediate message again while I was there.

[@robertlassiter907]

@@jamestorrence9340 What base were you at? I miss MAC, TAC and SAC. A good friend of mine at Langley was in a Com Squadron. When I first got to Langley I had to live in a Com squadron barracks and it was quiet as a church mouse. When I was finally moved to an aircraft maintenance barracks it was more like animal house. Take care James.

[@lancelot1953]

HI Periscope FIlms - thank you again for the memories. I did my training in the late seventies (Navy), just like this training movie - many instructional films had humor and jokes, not necessarily "politically correct" but essential to "get the point across" especially when one had to watch several of these films and many of our military were made of very young men. As the years went by, lectures got purged, "corrected', and on and on - at the expense of interest. Thank you for preserving these little gems of a "lighter" America, Ciao, L (Veteran)

[@PeriscopeFilm]

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[@modeljetjuggernaut4864]

this is so friggin cool! the vintage equipment, the 70s attire, mutton chops, and aerodynamic philosophical banter!! AWESOME!

[@prestonburton8504]

and - the drawing of a 'plane women' - very special! (about 2 or 3 mins in!)

[@julianneale6128]

Not 70s attire. This was filmed in 1960!

[@timothyjburton]

Heatblur's F-4 can't come soon enough.

[@FOXHUNTEREDITS]

Just preordered it, so excited

[@michaelh2899]

Preordered and patiently waiting impatiently.

[@Ophois47]

Today!

[@PapiDoesIt]

The F-4 does what it wants, and it was up to the pilot to figure that out.

[@TheLeadSled]

The McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II an American icon and still my all time favorite jet.

[@mackydog99]

Me too. Stationed aboard the Kitty Hawk from '71 to '73 I was privy to many flight ops and during the "Linebacker campaign of '72 I would stand smoke watch in which I was approx 50 to 60 ft above the flight deck and an awesome view of operations. My favorite aircraft was the F-4, the afterburners, the afterburners, and did I mention the afterburners?

[@Flyboy207]

Absolutely. Mine as well.

[@331SVTCobra]

The Phantom and the Bf-109 are the two most wicked looking aircraft of all time

[@justforever96]

I didn't really believe in declaring favorites but the F-4 is definitely one that appeals to me the most. Some aircraft just have character, and this is one of them.

[@jae0204]

Very informative and nice video, This is Why KZbin exists !!

[@stephenwalsh1332triumph]

Robin Olds best F4 pilot ever👍

[@TheStowAway594]

I love how the instructions are so clear in these videos, also that draftsmen is awesome.

[@gssmith1986]

way cool...I really liked the pre-anime character in the flight helmet! Plus the Aerodynamics discussion was spot on. Well done old school stuff.

[@imapaine-diaz4451]

I liked it too. 3:13 I wonder what it had to do with "angle of attack"😁😁

[@TheGeorgiaRover]

I like Dave’s work.

[@Defender78]

Wow the red head guy's narration is amazing, he doesn't hesitate, or say um or like, and uh

[@cloudstreets1396]

If maverick had watched this goose would still be alive today.

[@Stubbies2003]

Sigh. The F-14 doesn't have the same characteristics as a F-4 for flat spins. The mere fact that the engines on the F-14 aren't sitting right next to each other like they do on the F-4 thus can create adverse yaw simply by the distance apart from centerline changes how it will behave so no watching a F-4 training piece doesn't mean that Maverick would have saved it. From a R/L F-14 RIO (Ward Carroll) a fully developed flat spin in a F-14 A/B is also unrecoverable. As a post script Goose did the ejection sequence wrong in the movie thus why he hit his head on the canopy. That did happen in real life and the emergency checklists were changed to accommodate this fact. Which Goose didn't follow properly.

[@nicholasmaude6906]

@@Stubbies2003 What was changed about the F-14's ejection seat sequence?

[@julianneale6128]

Haha that actually made me laugh!

[@pasixty6510]

Lovely! Those were the days when pilots had to know what they were doing. Nowadays the plane must know what the pilot wants.

[@williammurray1341]

The Dave's graphic for A o A gets the attention.

[@BrokenFistX]

Dave the real hero here

[@lIII0IIIl]

I LOVE seeing the TAC badge on the pilot’s chest…

[@colocopper8464]

The patch on his left shoulder of a hand holding a dagger is from the 35th Tactical Fighter Wing which was located at George AFB in Victorville, California. I spent 3 1/2 years with them. The base closed down around 1990/1. It was also home to the F-105G Wild Weasel's before they were replaced with the F-4G WW. Not sure how to post it here but I have a nice photo I took of one of the Thuds strafing with it's 20mm cannon at the old gunnery range near Cuddeback Dry Lake about 60 north of George AFB.

[@SimonAmazingClarke]

Very interesting from a F4 training perspective. But also a fun look back at the technology of the day.

[@clearingbaffles]

bad ass plane; engines smoked a LITTLE; got the pleasure of a ferry ride from Hawaii to Guam

[@mystinger72]

Lucky!!!

[@clearingbaffles]

Google "Sageburner" 1959ish F-4 cross country LOW LEVEL over Mach 1 between tankers I believe the aircraft is either at Smithsonian or Wright Patterson Museum

[@mystinger72]

Wilco!! Thanks!

[@AvengerII]

It's at Smithsonian. In storage and needing restoration like most of their collection. It's one of a very few number of F-4As that still exist and definitely one of the more noteworthy ones. (6-7 of the 47 F-4 A-models built may still exist; they were never used operationally; strictly test and evaluation vehicles; most retired by the early 1970s I think; very different from the operational vehicles of F-4B mark and higher. An outfit in California is trying to get a retired A-model flightworthy again. It would be only the second operational civilian Phantom if they managed that after it was retired 53 years ago!) "Sageburner" was actually the second Phantom used in the record attempt to set the low altitude speed record. The previous Phantom suffered a control failure (oscillation) and broke up killing the pilot.

[@WizzRacing]

We know Dave has his Priorities right. Starting with the first drawing...

[@chipwillis]

All my DCS dudes taking notes and waiting on the Heatblur Phantom haha

[@TOMCATnbr]

And still manage to flat spin it 😅

[@COVID-cm4rn]

Hahaha. I was thinking the same

[@chipwillis]

@@TOMCATnbr gonna try!

[@rael5469]

"Recovery from a flat spin is impossible." Then what happened to that poor test pilot at 28:12 ???

[@F22raptor46]

Conveniently after the Heatblur F-4 trailer this video pops up on my feed lol

[@vincentvoncarnap]

same! this aircraft will we very interesting to fly.

[@jamesbrewer-lk8te]

Worked in the wheel and tire shop at SJ AFB F4E model. Awesome aircraft !! Lot of work but I enjoyed it. Back in the 80's

[@tsangarisjohn]

Fun to watch and educational. Not to mention so cheesy 😏. Love the tech!!!

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

"I'm a COWboy. On a steel horse I RIDE."

[@Max-xl9qv]

After watching the movie, that cowboy on a wild horse allegory at the beginning makes a lot of sense. Looks like that stallion required quite a learning curve.

[@tsangarisjohn]

Im ready now for DCS 👍🏻🤣

[@PappyGunn]

They can use a brick as a scale model of the F-4.

[@Stllno]

Luv periscope films! Keep up the fantastic work! So informative and preserves history! 😎👍

[@PeriscopeFilm]

Thank you! Will do! Thanks for being a sub! Come take a deep dive on our submarine of filmic preservation at Patreon.com/PeriscopeFilm

[@OrangPasien]

Let me first thank Periscope for post this for us to see. Re the film; It seems to me that jumping around the various phases of flight as well as speed ranges causes more confusion than necessary. A good example of this is at 21:15 where they’ve been talking about stick pressure in super/trans sonic flight then bam, with no transition at all they go to landing configurations. Now I don’t see how these are related unless you can land at Mach 1. Also, there were many topics that they mentioned as though it was new information to be introduced. For example PIO. by the time you’re in an F-4 you BETTER know what PIO is, its cause and remedy. Why they’d be introducing it here makes no sense. In any case it was a interesting video and I’m thankful to get to see it!

[@rags417]

Nice sketch, Dave !

[@johnnolen8338]

Office Space, the pre-quel.

[@COVID-cm4rn]

Dave over there drawing nose art with that chick.

[@richardpark3054]

I found the part about 'stick stiffening' (around 18:10) especially exciting!

[@jasminespencer3992]

you know Dave is smoking a joint every day at lunch

[@JohnMartin-cd1qm]

Great video! But his naked girl sketch and the flute music as he is burning though 😂

[@Thunder_6278]

This is from the early to mid 70's.

[@deanmeyer3932]

3:00...Dave, Dave, Dave - you're fired

[@NikovK]

Some hippie got drafted into the Air Force and this elaborate screenplay was his revenge.

[@justforever96]

Hippies don't make films, that takes work. Being creative doesn't automatically make you a "hippy". They wanted their films to have some appeal, they did the same thing during WWII, and it was a valuable part of the war effort. You don't have to be a combat veteran to do work with value.

[@NikovK]

@@justforever96 Its a joke.

[@garyjohnson1970]

The "Smoking Rhino", is more dangerous than twenty bulls in the ring with a blind bullfighter wearing all red!

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

This was an amazing instructional video! I learned quite a bit regarding AOA. If I ever find myself piloting an F-4 against an adversary, I’m confident i’ll be able to pull off a dogfight with over 15 AOA 👍

[@TunaDad]

many of us are eagerly anticipating! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jICcnneMbL-ejM0si=zH0tnAbttrv3Gw38

[@digital11337]

16:05 LOL !!! Great video ! edit: those drawing skills tho .... o.O

[@willharmatuk4723]

After that comedic bit of film, with the homemade flying machines: “That must be an early prototype of the swing-wing”. Haha.

[@ybrik5937]

Classic!

[@chrismartin1956]

Wow! Gwynne Dyer made a cameo appearance in the back ground 😂

[@oldpanamacitybeach]

Dave is a fast sketcher...probably aided by his innate skill on the bongo drums.

[@6milesup]

LOL

[@RicArmstrong]

I think he preformed at Woodstock with Santana.

[@dkoz8321]

Is that the girl from old Dagwood comics? I did not know that she was a qualified F-4 flight crew.

[@stevenbryant4718]

On the bike/plane they found the heaviest guy to pilot it!

[@peregrine3845]

fantastic!

[@PeriscopeFilm]

Thank you! Cheers! Thanks for being a sub!

[@CountryFenderBass]

I was an avionics tech on A4M Skyhawks in the 80s we used the exact same AoA indicator

[@shannonnezul4903]

The Heatblur views are here =] who else doing some classroom before sticktime training?

[@jyy9624]

No fly by wire for the thrust to weight champion

[@royhsieh4307]

and so i have become an authorized personnel. thanks youtube.

[@davidefland1985]

Lol l remember those slide projectors he’s using

[@leadsolo2751]

Brilliant !!! ❤😅

[@MrLeewsee]

I love these great old training films. When discussing spins in the F-4, I don't recall hearing anything about yaw rates prior to entering the spin. Was the aircraft in uncoordinated flight prior to entry? Conventional wisdom would say yes, but I don't recall hearing anything about yaw rate prior to spin entry and whether it was a factor. Again, conventionally speaking, AOA is not the only determining factor for spin entry.

[@eddievhfan1984]

Yaw rates would definitely play a factor, but considering the sweepback of the wing, even stalls without initial yaw rate could turn into spins, as the swept wing would amplify even the slightest slip angle.

[@72151]

Departure into a flat spin is rather sudden and you'll have a 50/50 chance. The manual says if out of control below 10,000', eject. 10,000' goes by pretty fast, so there's not a lot of "trying to figure something out" time. Thankfully there's a drag chute, but sometimes that's not even enough.

[@jspriver]

The pin-up fighter girl…

[@patstevens2959]

Built like a tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jerrybyers2172]

In my experience, a "stiff stick" has been a desirable thing, at least for the ladies.

[@chrisgardiner6771]

At 8:26 the pilot mentions a movie called 'Energy Maneuverability'. Does anyone know if that's anywhere on KZbin. I've looked, but can't seem to find it. Thanks

[@estebahngman4152]

Chinese copied it.

[@LtDavidB312]

Wouldn’t mind seeing it found and uploaded.

[@MiG-17]

I don't think it is real movie or film for training. I think they are talking about Energy Maneuverability theory by john boyd

[@BigJoeEspo]

Nowadays Dave would have a meeting with HR beccause of that 'bawdy' sketch.

[@skiinginmt]

OMG THEY DID A VIDEO ABOUT MAKING THE VIDEO *boom*

[@h.h.6171]

Ahh, the Phantom II. 10K pieces of saftetywire flying in close formation.

[@skeptical2649]

Why would Military Airlift Command have had any interest in F-4 flight characteristics? Having worked on Stab Aug and Autopilot systems on F-4D's nearly 50 years ago I found this video to be interesting.

[@SPAD58]

Hey I worked on Autopilot systems (32550A) on the F-4 as well. 1968 - 1972. Where were you stationed?

[@skeptical2649]

Nellis 1966-67, Hahn/Ramstein 1967-69

[@SPAD58]

Thats great, my brother was at Nellis in the hydraulics shop 1971. I was at Chanute 68, Shaw 69, DaNang 70, Davis Monthan 71-72. You are the first autopilot guy I've run into, I'm Michael Macek glad to meet you..

[@AvengerII]

There was a general shortage of pilots during Vietnam (gosh, I wonder why?) and there were people who came into fighter-bombers from transports believe it or not. Yeah, they had C-130 and other guys like that flying F-4s on attack and MiGCap missions during Vietnam. I'm not saying they were bad pilots but their training as FIGHTER pilots probably wasn't the best if they got cycled into F-4s within a few months. (Contrary to popular belief, there really wasn't THAT much dogfighting over Vietnam. There were far more losses due to AAA and SAMs than shootdowns by MiGs. It's still irresponsible to send people in a different aircraft type with a completely different mission with minimal training, IMHO.) We don't do that today... A fighter pilot gets probably at least 2-3 years before they let him sit in a cockpit and solo in a fighter jet. Not to bash transport pilots, mind you. There were also transport guys who qualified to land and take off from aircraft carriers in that time frame, too! They don't let that happen today, generally. One of these guys tried to re-qualify for carriers years later but they wouldn't let him do it even though he made over 100 landings and take-offs from a carrier safely! It just goes to show how desperate they were back then... For a while, at least, some of the inter-service rivaly was relaxed.

[@theodethomasa6358]

I retired in 1983 on the F111 ,I hated this plane!! But my years before that were Thailand and the Philippines with the F4, and several TDY duties to South Korea.

[@hardy998FE]

Miss it heavily, all of it I can confirm,… but flat spin!

[@R_Alexander029]

18:00 the Aerodynamic Centre referred here is not that of the wing alone but the entire aircraft's (otherwise know as the Neutral Point).

[@DoggyPilot]

No. Study more. Be sure you completely understand the subject before thinking you are an expert and start confusing other people with your missunderstandings…

[@R_Alexander029]

@@DoggyPilot I had just read one of John D. Anderson's textbook on static stability where he states that when considering static stability, one must take into account the reaction forces of the entire aircraft body, not just that of the wing. A combined Aerodynamic Centre (one which includes wings, fuselage and tail etc) is commonly shown on diagrams like the one depicted at 18:00. Now, I have seen explanations online where people seem to think that the AC shown on said diagrams represents that of the wing only, which I believe is wrong.

[@justforever96]

You can tell they had issues with the trainees not paying attention in class. Imagine keeping track of all this in a night carrier landing when low on fuel.

[@markward6076]

From steed to speed.

[@havinganap]

Dave's a government man to the core 😂

[@Robin.Tussin]

Good grief, imagine any of those, "departures", happening at night, in the rain ...

[@hossahunter22]

Why are Cal Naughton Jr. And Dick Winters making a training film about the F-4?

[@rostamr4096]

What year this movie made? look like late 60's...???

[@andreikravchenko8250]

Made in St. Louis, a legend in aviation history.

[@homefront3162]

Holy Crap did you see both engines flameout on the flat spin?

[@estebahngman4152]

No I only see the injection handle .

[@ceannscriteach81]

The bottom left screw on the guage is missing at 26.01 , wonder what other bits are missing around that aircraft 😮

[@dwhip49]

Depends on how lazy the crew chief in the next spot was...

[@RedTail1-1]

Thought I might learn something new but they are basically reading what is written in the flight manual :(

[@jimsmith7829]

This film would never “fly” these days due to the “visual aid” at 3:05 😂

[@vermin1970]

I wanted to watch this, but I don't think I am authorized personnel 😂

[@LtDavidB312]

I’ve missed having this video available since the takedown of Jeff Quitney’s channel. Glad you guys uploaded it! Think you could find the instructional video for the P-38 at some point?

[@PeriscopeFilm]

If we find it ... we will definitely post. Thanks for being a subscriber. BTW, you may not realize it but the problem with the channel you mention was, all the films Jeff placed on it were poached from other sources. For example, he stole dozens and dozens of films from our channel, blew them up to hide our identifying marks, and then re-posted them claiming they were "restored" and "enhanced" when in reality they were badly damaged, distorted, and re-positioned by what he did. He was doing this with videos from dozens of museums, libraries, and the government. Whereas we spend enormous time and energy to preserve motion picture history, all he did was take things that he felt were up for grabs (some might call it stealing but we're not going to go there). This is probably the reason his channel isn't around any longer.

[@14598175]

High hot porch? What did he say at the end?

[@cowboybob7093]

29:05 - Listened to it a half dozen times and I can't tell. "that guy has a high horse whupped?"

[@willard73]

All their kids started punk bands

[@DeickFranfan]

Super fantastic

[@benhudman7911]

I was wondering why the USAF stopped making engineering films about flight test. This may have been the film that killed the media division.

[@dkoz8321]

The artist should really work for House'O'Mouse.

[@gregorydahl]

iTs liKə tHeY are ACting

[@ms-lo6ek]

10/10

[@matfflagon]

интересно

[@shadovanish7435]

If the aircraft's airspeed is low enough, the aircraft will stall, even at a low A.O.A.. The confident, upstart pilot states that it's impossible to stall the aircraft at low to medium A.O.A., apparently regardless of airspeed.

[@clearskiesandcontrails]

The aircraft will stall at the same AOA regardless of airspeed

[@brrrtbacheniraq873]

@@clearskiesandcontrails Correct. Anyone who says a stall is a function of airspeed…doesn’t understand flying at other than 1-g.

[@mystinger72]

Didn't one of the original Top gun instructors put a Phantom into a flat spin and recover it?

[@AvengerII]

You said the magic words "Top Gun." That means he was an exceptional pilot. The problem is not everybody is an exceptional pilot and you'll make everybody's life more interesting if you put into service a plane with adverse handling characteristics and poor recoverability. The Phantom was a plane that had quirkly handling characteristics that made it ill-suited for flight under certain conditions and made it far less recoverable than desired. The services and the contractor were aware of some of these issues but put the plane into service anyway because they never thought it would be used as a dogfighter! That's why they tested the hell out of later fighter generations to make they did NOT repeat the mistakes made with the Phantom. That's why don't design them like the F-4! There are design details that seem to be avoided in most modern fighters -- T-tails and anhedral tail planes. The planes that used these tail designs (F-104 and F-4 respectively) tended to have "very interesting" handling issues under certain flight regimes that pilots very often came up against and there were quite a few accidents linked to control issues.

[@renesarmiento130]

You can use aileron at above 19 units AOA. you must stay refrence to your entry point into During Dyheidral effect Induced Roll Only for Pilots who want to control a flat spin to avoid an SAM.

[@rhobeewahn3566]

I infer your entire F-4 flying experience is limited to F-4 models with Leading Edge Slats (LES). This video was made in the early 70s, probably 1972 when RTUs (in this video an IP from the 35th TFW at George AFB) were primarily Cs, Ds, and hard wing (non-LES) Es. That's a hard wing E seen at the beginning and end of the video. In a hard wing F-4, using ailerons above 19 units AOA was just dumb. The LES modification didn't show up until 1972 under the name Rivet Haste, and indeed the problem of adverse yaw was dramatically reduced (provided your slats were not locked UP) for jets equipped with LES. And for the record, I've never heard of any F-4 operators planning on using a flat spin to defend against a SAM.

[@jcheck6]

@@rhobeewahn3566 Hard wing F-4's are a completely different animal than an F-4E with leading edge slats. I agree, no one intentionally went into a spin to defeat a SAM.

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

Tea cosy , cabbage , toaster. Makes about as much sense to me.

[@RobertPaskulovich-fz1th]

I am not authorized to watch this classified video.

[@user-yk4gd1fl4z]

I want them to make one on how women work next. I will surely be a Jedi of the poon.

[@fortyfour6626]

Little did they know, decades later, one of the most famous pilots ever…. One with no regard for safety…. and a need for speed… would lose his rio to a non aoa induced flat spin. The pilot would be lucky that he wasn’t forced to fly novelty pet excrement from Asian locations (yet to most, that would be an absolute dream job)

[@kevinballenger1211]

Phantoms Had The Worst Gliding Ratio Of All Navy Jets!

[@diamond_tango]

Yep, it’s a brick with engines on it. Proof you can make anything fly with enough thrust. Gotta love it

[@kevinballenger1211]

@@diamond_tango Absolutely! I Was An ABH3 Aboard The USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69), In Air Dept/V-1 Div, As An ABH3 From 1980 - 1984. When I First Got Aboard Her, We Were Still Using Phantoms, But They Were Well Past Their Primes! Each Time They'd Hit The Deck, Nuts & Bolts Would Fly Off Them, And Hydraulic Fluid Would Be Everywhere! It Was Sad To See Them Go Out That Way! When The Navy Finally Retired Them In 1981, The F-14 Tomcats Took Their Place! ⚓

[@NikovK]

Two kinds of men watched this video. Those who clicked for 3:00, and those who clicked for 24:00.

[@diamond_tango]

Why not both?

[@NikovK]

@@diamond_tango I mean knowing how to handle the dig in with mach tuck, keeping neutral with pole snatchers, and an appreciation for a clean fuselage... yeah, both is good.