F. Chopin - Waltz A-minor - Newly Discovered in 2024 - Analysis - Greg Niemczuk

[@matthewwilliams7158]

A Chopin piece can’t be official till this guy gives an analysis

[@mvanbaarsen]

Quite so! I sometimes wonder if Greg might be a descendant from him.

[@FirstGentleman1]

First Mozart, now Chopin. What a time to be alive.

[@ptyminski]

🤖🤖🤖

[@Pogouldangeliwitz]

​@@ptyminskiWait for Trumps military donaldonaise, soon to be dropped! All our favorite undead are back!

[@LiliVG]

This is a beautiful, sensitive interpretation by an artist who has Chopin in his very soul. I find it mysterious and replayed it several times. Each time it evoked a new emotion and whether one day Chopin scholars will add their stamp of authenticity this short piece is stunning in the emotion that it evokes. Thank you as always Grzegorz .

[@RhodesyYT]

I KNEW THERE WAS MORE OUT THERE!! I thought all of the hidden waltzes were in private collections

[@karolakkolo123]

I will never understand why some people have pieces that they hold in private collection, like literally depriving the general public of a musical genius's music. It's a little bit selfish to be honest

[@nehuge]

@@karolakkolo123ya they can at least keep the paper and give us a screenshot

[@annaairahala9462]

@@karolakkolo123 It is literally the selfishness of wanting to feel special. It's common in every community, people keeping information from others in hopes to prevent it becoming popular and leaving their sphere. I struggle to understand these people, but you see them everywhere

[@Mazurking]

Thank you Greg. There are many news sources covering this but I have no doubt that I will learn the most from you.

[@gregniemczuk]

Thank you so much!

[@georgestefanou5240]

I was moved from the first time I heard this exquisite miniature. Your analysis further increased my emotion and admiration. Thank you so much!

[@fishwhosmokesopium6645]

Wow i was just reading an article about this piece and was looking for more info! Great video!

[@mickizurcher]

Can you post the link where you read the article? Thank you.

[@oxoelfoxo]

@@mickizurcher it's in the New York Times originally but subscriber only. maybe other news outlets have reports by now

[@carlhopkinson]

If that is not Chopin, I will eat my piano. It IS Chopin's work.

[@anhducduong0105]

Imo this waltz's opening sounds MUCH like a dark and fiery scherzo but then it suddenly turns into inherent soothing waltz melodies. What a sharp contrast!

[@kangoorookoala1847]

So nice listening to your analysis Greg! Thank you Maestro ❤

[@ml4119]

Great analysis as always!

[@謝琦琦-y3l]

I heard of this news and piece yesterday from a KZbinr named nice chord.Therefore I was wondering about your points of view. Your analysis is just fantastic .I appreciate you point out many things for whoever loves classical music to think and question.As you study Chopin most your analysis is so reliable and precious to me.Thank you so much for your work 💕💕

[@thewordbtrue2461]

I'm so excited!! Thank you Greg!! I'm all ears🎉

[@akamasho7898]

This was extremely informative, thank you so much for your analysis! You really helped us get into the structure of how the piece works. Thank you!

[@jithanthvainatheya2733]

Always a day to celebrate when you upload Sir, incredible analysis!

[@michelangelovaccaro8191]

30 seconds long fragment and Greg can still show how rich it is. Maybe this was just 20 years old Chopin experimenting over some Liszt pieces he heard in Paris? The Times says that this is from that period but to me it sounds very much like the experimenting late Chopin

[@yucatron76]

It sounds like 1840’s Chopin. How strange.

[@michelangelovaccaro8191]

@ Chopin was already ahead of his times

[@GuntherWolfen]

Amazing discovery! Thank you Greg for bring this to us and thank you for the analysis 😄

[@barbarafletcher121]

I learned about this via an online New York Times piece. I wondered then if you had heard about it! I'm not surprised that YOU are not surprised about the discovery. What makes me happiest, though, is that it has returned you to your analyses of musical pieces!! They're unique and wonderful, and I hope you will continue to do this more often!

[@pghagen]

Thank you for your analyzing!

[@PierreLM]

Greg, the number one expert on classical music actuality ! Merci pour la vidéo !

[@finnianreilly1831]

Great analysis Greg ! Love your interpretation.❣

[@gregniemczuk]

Thank you!

[@popqueen77]

Unbelievable!❤ Thank you so much for introducing this unknown piece to us! And what a ways to be introduced with your analysis🥲. I am moved ✨🙏🏻❤️

[@sholemgimpel6050]

Yes! Clearly, a middle part in a "smiling" key is expected, but missing! Thank you!

[@Timothy-c4p]

Greg, if it’s Chopin, I would say the introduction is a little unusual. Since the bass is like a drone while the right hand melody repeats itself before making two quick chord changes. That reaches a climax on a higher register diminished 7th chord. So the introduction is bit harsh with those repeated diminished 7th chords. But those two quick chord changes sound odd. And rather abrupt for Chopin. However, when the main melody does begin, it’s the sound of Chopin. Where the music flows naturally before going to a gentle C major chord that offsets the darker sound of the minor tonality. So overall, I find the A minor drone of the introduction with it’s two quick chord changes to be uncharacteristic of Chopin. But, if I remember something about one of Chopin’s Mazurkas in Eb minor, with its unusual tonality, its very fast tempo, and unusual melodic rhythms, he can write music that can surprise you.

[@gregniemczuk]

Maybe that was some sort of an experiment.... I agree with you!

[@d_rivadeneyra]

He has a lot of music that sounds harsh like that. His prelude (also in a minor) wich has really harsh dissonances reminds me a lot of that opening. The intro also sounds a lot like the first theme of his fourth ballade. The last movement of his 2nd sonata, also really harsh. Etc, etc, etc.

[@ocmolina83]

The beginning, while it doesn't sounds the same and it is in a different key, reminds me of the waltz in e minor posthumous, as it also has this repeated pattern on the right hand and the left hand as this strong repeated chords. I can't wait to give it a try and practice it.

[@jamesmcbee2660]

@@d_rivadeneyra It put me in mind of the fourth ballade as well.

[@Timothy-c4p]

@@gregniemczukGreg, I wanted to say that I feel somewhat “out of sorts” for having made some critical comments about Chopin’s music. It’s just that in my first reaction to this new Waltz in A minor, I was surprised. Since I’ve become so accustomed to the beauty and elegance of his waltzes, that I’ve forgotten how he can surprise you. Also, I wanted to say how much I enjoy your Chopin videos. And how beautifully you play his music. Please continue!

[@retrobill3094]

Fantastic breakdown of an interesting little gem.

[@ClassicalSoundIdeal]

It could be that the fff was necessary because the higher register of the Pleyel piano is weak. If the passage is to begin very strongly, it needs an exaggerated forte, which can loosen while moving down to the middle registers of the piano. And a small remark, I think that Chopin wouldn't miss the opportunity for a neapolitan chord instead of all those seconds, at least once!

[@argon07ful]

In my opinion, your performance is the most honest one I've listened to during these days while I'm studying different points of view about this piece of music. Each pianist has personal arguments to play it according to their own way, but the way you played and thought about it results in a very "glued" performance to the score. Also, I've been trying to play it using other styles, for example like Liszt or Grieg, but in the end, my conclusion is undoubtedly it is closer to early aged Chopin's composition style. Thank you, Greg.

[@gregniemczuk]

Thank you so much!

[@wedemeyerr]

Unbelievable!!!! ❤❤❤❤

[@RiverBanks-m6d]

the introduction to this waltz gives me the same vibe as the posthumous e minor waltz, that being a quite unusual one

[@brozors]

I thought it was really hard to tell how good this waltz is with Lang Lang playing it not like a waltz.

[@Pogouldangeliwitz]

Bang Bang plays it like an Andante asthmatico rubatissimo e tackyssimo 🙈

[@Graph1159]

@@Pogouldangeliwitzhaha Google offered to translate this comment!

[@vault587]

Was really looking forward to your video on this. I knew it was coming!

[@dinobucz]

Thank you for the awesome analysis of this intriguing discovery! I will definitely suffer so much if I attempt to play this. But one day…….one day!

[@BettyjaneSurabian]

Much appreciated Maestro. I would easily put your opinion as "expert" so your views hold alot of weight for me. Thanks again.

[@ebiouc7184]

I miss your analysis sooo much Grieg❤❤❤

[@RoccoOnPiano]

Thank you for taking the time to make this brilliant video and sharing it with all of us! Given that this piece depicts much pain and suffering, when do you think it would have been composed? Perhaps during the late 1840s?

[@jarosawyarand5984]

Genialnie przedstawiona analiza. Nawet osobie tak nie wyrobionej muzycznie jak ja pokazuje istotę i piękno muzyki Chopina. Lubię słuchać czasami muzyki klasycznej, Chopina również ale na zasadzie; albo mi się podoba albo nie.Pan pokazał mi jak widzieć i rozpoznawać Chopina. Dziękuję.

[@gregniemczuk]

Cudownie!!! Zapraszam do oglądania innych moich analiz - jest ich bardzo dużo!

[@bigmac9636]

Yes! Glad you were quick to do an analysis on the new fantastic waltz :) Edit: Interesting how you say its kind of an introduction to perhaps another waltz, because apparently (on wiki at least) Chopin did compose a waltz featuring a prelude at the beginning, which has not been found yet, so this could potentially be it?

[@thewordbtrue2461]

We are privileged to hear your analysis and again, Thank you!!! 🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@T-J-S]

I should have watched this before learning it lol. I'm so happy to see this piece and your analysis here! I loved listening to this analysis

[@mvanbaarsen]

Thank you very much, Greg, for your stunning analysis of this fairly odd waltz. To me, it sounds like an Unvollendete avant la lettre 😏

[@wcsxwcsx]

A haunting piece.

[@Chopin-Etudes-Cosplay]

The beginning reminds me of Chopin's prelude No. 14 in e-flat minor.

[@mickizurcher]

In what regard?

[@Seleuce]

@@mickizurcher Maybe just listen! :D

[@bongaz3547]

Not a relevant find but still so exiting !! A little blessing for the day

[@PhilHarrison762]

Thank you for bringing authentic and expert comment so soon... I hope NIFC has the good sense to take your views. (I agree I'd have preferred exposition before analysis, though.) You never let us down, Greg😃😃😃

[@RenataBłażejewska-p9b]

Dzięki stokrotne😊😊

[@piano_gil]

Thank you so much for this video ❤. I think I have got answers on my questions regarding this piece

[@edoardofranchini7884]

You are an amazing teacher, thank you so much!! Can you make a video where you explain the difference between the Viennese waltz and the Polish one, explaining how to play the 2 cases? Thank you!!

[@gregniemczuk]

Hi! I made it already quite long time ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5naepmtZ9aWrqcsi=FEQcVeNdiPpiSmEw

[@joaquinoliveraz11]

This is so cool! Thanks for bringing this up so fast! Btw, the Waltz kinda reminds me of some Mazurkas, i guess.... but who knows! Thanks for the content!

[@matecerdan]

espectacular

[@josac7602]

Hi Greg, will you still make an analysis of Chopin's op. 46 Allegro de Concert? 😊

[@ClassicalSoundIdeal]

Could be a mazurka. And it sounds so much Clara Schumann, especially the introduction. Thank you for the analysis.

[@eduardo-v5b2t]

As always very interesting ......

[@takjezdzimy7381]

Cześć Grzegorzu :) analiza zapowiada się mega ciekawie

[@gregniemczuk]

Po polsku też będzie! Jeszcze dzisiaj!

[@ewapiano1222]

thank you!

[@vk7898]

You are wonderful to know Chopin's music / so much information you giv). Thank you for your explanation/ meaning and YOURS exceptional journey through the music. I am wondering about If Chopin's works would be played with the passion, as you do . I believe that he would say "I just tried to teach them, but you did it" Wonderful video and wonderful presentation. I follow you on your turné in Scandinavia and Praga. Thank you for your music 🎵 🎶 🎵

[@gregniemczuk]

Thank you very much!

[@Tbilii]

i remember following your youtube channel since you had 2k subscribers. i always enjoy watching your videos i love chopin, i love his pieces. Can you soon begin analyzing another composer pieces maybe? or its just for chopin ?

[@gregniemczuk]

You really remember that? Wow! I think I will! I was thinking about Mozart's Sonatas first. We will see. I also have many concerts so it's not like it used to be in the pandemic.....

[@ritorenello]

Hello Greg, Thanks for this analysis, always good to listen to your views on Chopin. It is a curious piece which sounds like a mix of his works, i can hear a bit of a mazurka, waltz and a spirit similiar to his earlier works like rondos or first sonata. Actually, the 4th movement of the first sonata opens up with repetitive octaves on the left hand right? The opening also reminded me of the mid section of preambule of Schumann's carnaval... (would be good to check the dates and see if there is some overlap between the two)...but after the opening with the melody it does start to feel like chopin and when its over it leaves you with this strange longing feeling, you dont want it to finish...lets see and wait what the experts say...Best wishes from London

[@leftovers7168]

Best analysis I've found, bravo. Whoever wrote this piece, for me it feels like the waltz came first and the opening was added. Maybe as an experiment. If it was Chopin, and the piece was never intended to see the light of day, I'd expect to find some of that experimentation influencing what was to come. There are two other pieces that come to mind at various points - one is the F-minor Prelude Opus 28 No 18, with its discordant sounds and repeated chords of anguish (as you demonstrated); the other I've not yet put my finger on but it comes towards the end, in the final few bars and the sound of the way the melody falls. That was used somewhere else by Chopin. Just need to work out where! My flight of fancy is that this is Chopin and Liszt together at the piano. Chopin has made a start to a waltz. Liszt suggest embellishments, demonstrates, then adds a wild introduction...Chopin notates...well, who knows?! A lovely thought.

[@SwahaChris]

Interesting 😊

[@carlhopkinson]

Stop thinking so much. It IS Chopin. The emotional power tells all.

[@maksimivanov5417]

Thanks, that's really well explained for an average listener like me. My unqualified opinion - it does sound very chopinesque, but so do, at least for my ear, mazurkas from Scriabin!..

[@richardarcher3435]

I've recently learned that Chopin's elder sister Ludwiker was a composer. I don't know how accomplished she was but apparently she helped teach Frederic and was good at mazurkas. Are there any surviving manuscripts of hers? It would be fascinating to hear her music. Could this actually be a piece by her?

[@Seleuce]

She was only 3 years older than Frederic, she helped to teach him when the 2 of them were around 5/6 and 8/9. :D Frederic outgrew Ludwikas pianistic skills very likely by the age of 7. And if she had been as genius a composer as he was, we definitely would know about it. We know about lesser talented female composers of their time. He did write his "Lento Con Grande Espressione" Nocturne in C-Sharp minor for her, which is the reason why it was never published during his lifetime, despite being a well-rounded composition.

[@richardarcher3435]

@@Seleuce Thank you. Oh no I didn't think she was as genius as her brother. It would still be very interesting to hear some of her music as I understand she was talented and helped inspire her brother's interest in the mazurka.

[@bentoguerra352]

Good explanation .Let us call "waltz Chopin way"

[@michelcamachomusic]

Update to the comment i made before. 4 hours ago I was playing the waltz over and over and i composed the missing section B and concluded the waltz, I'll upload a version very soon, was studying it a lot cause it's pretty challenging with the composed section and development. Indeed I can confirm 90% it is by Chopin. I said 90% cause I feel 1 bar is missing between bar 23-24 it feels like something is missing but it could be omitted with tricky performance. I later read the NY times article which it's very complete, and many of my theories were similar to what they talked about. I assume this was written by Chopin as a gift postcard, so he maybe was in a rush or something before writing it. The way it was played by Lang Lang is not correct in my opinion. This Waltz should be played kinda like Op. Posthumous in E minor. Of course without more context it could be performed differently but after concluding it I'm pretty sure this should be fast.

[@gregniemczuk]

I don't dare to compose the B section.... I could but I simply don't dare.... Also, probably there would also be a C section at least, and the coda. Who knows ... We'll never know

[@michelcamachomusic]

@@gregniemczuk Fortunately or unfortunately I finished the work. The video is on my channel since yesterday, with a long explanation in the description and a in-deep compositin and analysis process on my website.

[@kakhigiorgadze8487]

I think it could be a VERY early sketch. the musical characteristics are there. in a way I feel like these motives are seen in his other music but more refined. I only suspect the form and structure of the piece which is definitely not Chopin, but again this could be because it's a sketch. before coming to any conclusions we have to wait what the experts say, where did the sources come from and cet.

[@Seleuce]

It was discovered months ago already, but went through immense analyse by experts (paper, ink, script) before making it public, it IS written by his hand.

[@SwahaChris]

​@@Seleuceany references you can share? I have read so many articles.. all more or less parroting each other..

[@KrystofDreamJourney]

@@SeleuceYes, but still a sketch! Perhaps a quick gift to somebody ? A student, or a sponsor ? Perhaps this is just a page one, and the rest is lost ?(repetition sign at the end, with no continuation afterwards… Chopin never finished his pieces with a repetition sign and no word “Fine”). Also could be an idea, one of hundreds, later forgotten and never developed (continued). We may never know…

[@nikocuneo2589]

YESSS

[@MacDouhui]

Most likely Chopin. A very sophisticated harmonic fragment of an unrealized masterpiece. We can hope that maybe there’s some more bits and pieces laying around somewhere. It’s a waltz…a fantastic waltz.

[@steveballzack1409]

Reminds me of Wiosna. It's short with the same sort of minor - major - minor/sad - happy - sad thing going on.

[@mickizurcher]

I agree, it is very sophisticated, the modulations, etc. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was Chopin, who can get so wonderfully intense? What can you tell us about the origins of this manuscript? Thanks so much. This was great to hear.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

You say it as if the authenticity is in question. I read the articles about it and it is clearly an original.

[@Pogouldangeliwitz]

It's really not sophisticated.

[@mickizurcher]

@@Pogouldangeliwitzyes it is but not everyone can see it

[@Pogouldangeliwitz]

@@mickizurcher People who think this is sophisticated probably marvel at the "complexity" of Philip Glass and Hans Zimmer too...

[@ronaldbirkelbach4360]

I'm skeptical about this piece. I don't think it's stylistically Chopin in any stage of his composition evolution. How could this be in the collection of an "autograph collector" and he not bring this to someone's attention? Love your channel, btw! I play a lot of Chopin, and you always give me another perspective which is very value to me.

[@gregniemczuk]

Thanks a lot! I was skeptical just like you! But after playing it through 30-40 times I started to believe....

[@theodorek.4563]

I am also skeptical. In the age of AI, how coincidental would it be to find a Mozart and a Chopin piece in the same year? Can newly discovered posthumous works ever be trusted again?! I want to believe though and I will trust the experts on this one.

[@Zarty-Music]

Thanks for the masterclass! The abrupt ending on A minor after movig to C seems strange to me. As far as I know the Op. 70 no. 2 is the only Chopin's waltz that presents a modulating first theme that moves from a minor mode to its relative major like here, but in that case it simply moves away from the initial key. Since this looks like a sketch, I wonder if those last two bars were a temporary solution by Chopin or whoever wrote the manuscript, to end the piece "for now", instead of proceeding to the second theme, presumably in C major or another contrasting key. Another thing that bugs me is the repeat sign, as Introductions are usually not repeated. But then again, as this is a ketch not meant for performance, I can imagine some details were overlooked by the writter. Anyways, great work here, you earned a new subscriber!

[@gregniemczuk]

Exactly. I agree with you and your hesitations. It's just a sketch. That's all.

[@michelcamachomusic]

I still believe this is not by Chopin at all, after listening to other versions and play it myself. And if it is, is an unfinished work, it is obvious is unfinished in my opinion. He could really surprise you composing something unusual like Prelude op.28 no.14 or the mazurka in eb minor among other works that could sound different to his more well known music. Chopin would vary the second presentation of the theme i.e, (instead of repeating the whole thing) even is not too much but he would do, before going to a second part or B section. There are other reasons why I don't consider this is a work by Chopin at all. It was created by someone very skilled without doubt and it's nothing surprising since romanticism were fulled of great unknown or forgotten composers. The first bars sounds more of the middle part of Rachmaninoff's C# sharp prelude to me than a Chopin's scherzo (I'm not saying this was composed by Rachmaninoff of course not) anyways, i appreciate the effort you put in your video and analysis, which it's good and valuable. I have some theories behind this work: 1. It was written by a fan of chopin, a student or a person who wanted to get money from it. 2. It was written by other composer who wanted to play a joke, or just composed in his style or a similar approach to chopin and somebody replaced the name to Chopin's name 3. It was written by Chopin himself but he regretted on publishing and preferred to keep it away from public eye. It is known he could even cry if he felt that a composition was not good enough and it could spend days Locked up in his room (as reported by Georges Sand in his staying at Mallorca island)

[@Seleuce]

I very much believe it is by Chopin, it has his voice all over it. No-one that, at least I ever heard, got that right, no matter how well they copied his patterns. 1. Paper, ink and his handwriting are authentic. 2. There must have been countless such sketches (yes, I think it's a sketch), small gifts and sudden ideas, quickly written on paper or into albums, but most have gone lost in the turmoil of history. There were many reasons to not publish certain pieces. Because they weren't worth it, because they weren't finished, because they were gifts or had some personal attachment to them. We know that he worked on many of his pieces step by step, over years. Most of the posthumously published pieces are such works, and he wanted them destroyed after his death (which didn't happen, obviously). This Valse could simply be such a piece.

[@michelcamachomusic]

@Seleuce i wrote a comment in this same video changing my mind after i played this waltz for hours and then I finished myself and composed the rest of the waltz

[@nehuge]

They've also said and showed that he signed his autograph on the manuscript and that analysis was done of the ink and paper and shows authentic.

[@Coffebucks]

Chopin nice ❤

[@wonder5823]

New Polish tongue twister: "Brzęczyszczykiewicz słuchał Chopina w Tczewie w wykonaniu Grzegorza". Impressive analysis. Thanks 👍

[@gregniemczuk]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bigos_regnum]

imagine prompt: waltz in style of chopin

[@dancohenhemsi163]

Hello Greg the king!!!! Great to see an other video by you, after I saw all of them! I looked at the score. Chopin's wrote FFF, at the begining, not even after FF. That is not typical to Chopin's, I think there in not even 1 piace by him with 3f before 2f. What do you think about that? Liszt and Tschaikowsky can write 3f without any logic, but Chopin, in my opinion, not

[@mickizurcher]

I disagree. I do not think Chopin is predictable. Fff sounds good to me.

[@Seleuce]

It has too much of Chopins voice in it to be mistaken for another composer. While an imposter wouldn't have dared a few things in this piece, trying to fake Chopin, that includes putting FFF, BECAUSE it is not all that typical for Chopin. I agree with @mickizurcher, Chopin is pretty unpredictable, he broke rules and his own patterns all the time.

[@josesouza9820]

Informative video, thank you! Could the work be a mazurka?

[@gregniemczuk]

No, it's too elegant for a Mazurka. And also there is a title Valse written by Chopin's hand in the autograph

[@josesouza9820]

@@gregniemczuk thank you for your reply. If the title Valse exists and is in Chopin's hand writing, then the work could quite possibly be a waltz and is by Chopin!

[@alessandropelizzoli6613]

When is It supposed to have been composed? Which year?

[@gregniemczuk]

Between 1830-1835

[@alessandropelizzoli6613]

​@@gregniemczukok, thanks a lot.

[@KrystofDreamJourney]

@@gregniemczukCzyli w okresie pierwszej ballady…

[@jenskluge7188]

It might be a sketch from the time when he also wrote the f# minor polonaise and was experimenting with new forms (he tried out a Mazurka within a polonaise there). Definitely it would not be an early piece. Also, he did write unconventional and striking introductions at times. So it is quite possible that this piece begins differently than the other valses.

[@Pogouldangeliwitz]

There are (brief) introductions in several waltzes. Also I disagree about this being a work of Chopin's maturity. Sounds immature to me. If that sounds too harsh: not very idiomatic. Could be a work by (almost) anyone.

[@krzysztof2146]

Panie Grzegorzu, jeśli można proszę o analizę utwory F.Chopina Waltz Op.69 No.1,i pytanie dlaczego w publikacjach w tytule nie zaznacza się tonacji utworu?

[@mickizurcher]

Maestro any chance you c’could post a screenshot of the score so we could all touch the heavens for a moment?!

[@gregniemczuk]

You can find it on the internet. Google it!

[@num3willie]

Greg, do you think it's possible that this is a completed work meant to represent the arc of life, with each of the 72 beats equating with one year? There is the buildup to the fury of the mid-20's (triple forte), we hit our stride in middle age, there is a brief period for hope (C major), but as the end approaches, sadness and finally resignation.

[@gregniemczuk]

You have fantastic imagination and I congratulate you on that, but I don't think so.... It's just a sketch of a theme which was never taken up and finished later......

[@num3willie]

@@gregniemczuk Thank you for your considered response

[@hstanekovic]

It also sounds like a possible mazurka?

[@jordidewaard2937]

Interesting! I agree it could very well be Chopin. I hope at the very least that it was written by a human composer, though from hearing other A.I. pieces, I doubt A.I. could produce such a piece at this point.

[@marikhutsishvili2243]

It brings Mazurka vibes to me, it probably is unfinished, usually chopin changes tonality and goes to major to introduce second theme and then back to minor. Indeed it is unfinished. Is not is Mazurka?

[@monuum]

This waltz sounds like Mazurka à Émile Gaillard

[@Pogouldangeliwitz]

Thought the same. The mazurka is incomparably better though. And not only because it's a complete, developed piece.

[@musimedmusi8736]

Wonderful analysis, but it would have been much more satisfying if he had simply played the whole piece before analyzing it. Analyzing it without first playing it only really works when it’s a piece everybody already knows.

[@gregniemczuk]

Ahhh thank you so much for this comment. I agree with you!! I thought about that after I finished analyses ("oh, I'm talking too much at the beginning instead of playing".....)But now it's too late.... I recorded it in a separate video...

[@back-seat-driver1355]

exactly! I do not want an analysis of something i have never heard or seen or tasted before. So i stopped the video! In general, i hate endless talking videos...

[@7omZ]

Is there an analysis madera by you on th Polonaise in Dminor and Sonata no1 in Cminor?

[@gregniemczuk]

Not yet, I'm sorry

[@7omZ]

@gregniemczuk no worries, im not done watching the others 😂

[@nojohns1748]

Amazing. Many Thanks for the quick video! The piece feels a little unfinished, what kind of embellishment would you recommend if i want to play a "proper" ending?

[@gregniemczuk]

It's hard to write it here. I think you have freedom to chose what seems best to you.

[@rudolfpianos]

This is late Chopin for sure

[@KrystofDreamJourney]

Rather a “middle Chopin”.

[@chopinfanclub6672]

❤🎉🎉

[@mickizurcher]

You should play this as an opener in your concerts! Why not?!🎹🎹🎹

[@foljamb]

unconvincing doubt, mastro greg--as for extreme dynamic markings that may or may not indicate authorship, maybe a copyist actually wrote the middle section of op 9 #1..then, you know, slipped it in... for me there is no doubt that this piece is a fragment or incipit of late chopin when he was experimenting with the waltz as he was with the polonaise

[@SharonChenMusic]

Does not sound like early Chopin ? Thanks ..

[@RModillo]

Is there a clear photo or reliable transcription of the manuscript?

[@gregniemczuk]

It's a reliable transcript of the manuscript

[@RModillo]

@@gregniemczuk I meant, that the rest of us can see. Is there a clean photo of the postcard out there?

[@gregniemczuk]

@RModillo yes

[@stefanocerato6931]

💕🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🤝

[@culturehorse]

Could it not just as easily be a mazurka?

[@microspylimited2526]

Is it a Waltz or is it a Mazurka or is it AI?

[@jaekn]

Which could be? Whoever it was? They did handwriting and paper/ink analysis and concluded that they had "no doubt" as to its veracity as a Chopin piece. Even down to the particular way in which Chopin penned his clefs. As a Chopin pianist, it sounds like him to me.. plus they are saying he wrote it in his 20s, so you can't claim to know everything he would or wouldn't have done throughout his lifetime. Waltz or not, playing it like that, so robotically also kills the magic of this piece for me. Lang x2's interpretation retains more of the beauty of Chopin.

[@gregniemczuk]

Lang Lang makes very peculiar rubatos, artificial and not natural. But we don't discuss the taste. I didn't like his performance because he is showing himself and his strange ideas rather than simply showing Chopin

[@Heroicpolonaise]

What does this piece differ from Chopin mazurkas? The first idea that came to my mind was this is one of those...

[@gregniemczuk]

His handwritten title: Valse - 😀😀😀😀

[@Heroicpolonaise]

@@gregniemczuk :D that's the point I'm aware of, but besides that? It really sounds to me a bit like mazurka in F sharp :)

[@Seleuce]

@@Heroicpolonaise Frederic, very clearly, often had a hard time naming the category of his pieces. :D I mean... listen to Mazurka op.17/4 (Mazurka? Eh?), or Nocturne op.27/1, op.48/1... more like Ballades. He wrote "Valse", he meant "Valse", obviously, he didn't intend it to be played at Mazurka rhythm. (Although I do agree, it does have a strong resemblance to his Mazurkas).

[@Heroicpolonaise]

@@Seleuce thank you for your opinion

[@neilyates1102]

Chopin's final mazurka is clearly a work written by him although possibly not completed; however, composers have written some very short compositions especially in times of emotional stress. To me, this "valse" is not a completed composition but just a fragment of a valse that might have been. It looks like Chopin's handwriting and may be by him but it is nothing more than a sketch or fragment and cannot stand as a piece on its own. So, while it is interesting it is probably something that Chopin would have thrown away if he was not inspired to do more with it! We are looking at music that should have been in Chopin's waste basket and it was things like this that he had in mind when he asked that some of his fellow composers go over his remaining unpublished works after his death and to destroy anything not worthy of him.

[@Pogouldangeliwitz]

At someone stating the obvious! Thank you!

[@fionauys4958]

Greg where can I get the sheets?

[@gregniemczuk]

Google it!

[@fionauys4958]

@@gregniemczuk I can't find proper sheets 😭

[@hanksimon1023]

@@fionauys4958 Seriously, type "Chopin - New Waltz in A Minor" in Google, or in KZbin, and there are 3 or 4 nice one page sheets, as well as a few photos of the handwritten sheet music.