F1'S FIRST FLAPPY PADDLE CAR! The Story of the Ferrari 640 (1989)

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Aidan Millward

Aidan Millward

Күн бұрын

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@icememevan
@icememevan Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Roberto Moreno has one of the first flappy paddle steering wheels from his time as a Ferrari test driver as a gift
@MPal24
@MPal24 Жыл бұрын
It really is pretty amazing how quickly paddle-shift became standard. It went from not finishing a race distance in testing in 1988, to winning its first race in 1989, winning the championship with Williams in 1992 and being used by every team from 1996.
@palm92
@palm92 Жыл бұрын
An interesting anorak fact too - one of my favourite Arcade games ever (and favourite game generally) is 1989’s Super Monaco GP by Sega. This game features a 4 or 7 speed manual…with wheel mountedpaddles. It came out in May of 1989 in Japan, so it was developed over the course of 1988 - meaning that someone on the dev team at Sega was paying very close attention to Ferrari and F1 in general because it was released concurrently with the 1989 season and the 640.
@SaltyChip
@SaltyChip Жыл бұрын
Cool catch.
@djberryhardkore
@djberryhardkore Жыл бұрын
The mega drive port is my favorite game of all time! Spent many many a hour playing it and the awesome sequel which is licenced by senna.
@palm92
@palm92 Жыл бұрын
@@djberryhardkore It’s great! (and very different too.)
@djberryhardkore
@djberryhardkore Жыл бұрын
yeah the sequel keeps the core of what made the game great and improves on it by increasing the difficulty, its not pretty hard to win in one of the midfield cars@@palm92
@zinddy
@zinddy Жыл бұрын
I always wondered how would f1 cars looked like with sequential stick, like rally cars and late 90s carts had, here is an idea for another video😉
@craigcalladine851
@craigcalladine851 Жыл бұрын
I believe Jordan had stick sequential in at least one of there early-mid 90s cars. Specifically remember hearing Garry Anderson (Jordan's then technical director) discussing this on a podcast.
@darth_autie_117
@darth_autie_117 Жыл бұрын
this got me thinking about the pull/push paddle in 2000s rally cars
@nilshartl883
@nilshartl883 Жыл бұрын
Didnˋt Champcar have that in the 90s aswell
@palm92
@palm92 Жыл бұрын
@@craigcalladine851 Was it the 1992 192? I think that was a 7-Speed Sequential Manual with a lever.
@palm92
@palm92 Жыл бұрын
@@nilshartl883 They had it from 1994-1995 all the way until 2006, as did Japanese F3000 from the late 90s until 2006. They still had foot clutches too.
@mattwhorlow9900
@mattwhorlow9900 Жыл бұрын
There are a couple of stories from that '89 Brazilian GP worth remembering. The Ferrari (gearbox) had been so unreliable in testing (barley able to do more than a couple of laps without breaking down) and Mansell had booked an early flight home - (and spent most of the race annoyed the car was still running and he was going to miss his flight). Also, during the race, there was indeed a problem with the gearbox - which was solved by changing the steering wheel during a pit stops (first stop to change 5 wheels?).
@patrickparisienne1917
@patrickparisienne1917 Жыл бұрын
Truth is that the gearbox was working fine in testing, it’s that that the engine kept throwing the alternator belt, and the first thing that died was the gearbox electronics, hence it was said the the gearbox was why the car stopped….
@Will_M600
@Will_M600 Жыл бұрын
​@@patrickparisienne1917lmao that's the most Ferrari thing I've ever read
@MrSaywutnow
@MrSaywutnow 8 ай бұрын
@@Will_M600 It's also the truth. John Barnard talked about it in his interview with Motor Sport magazine three years ago. The interview is also where I'm guessing Aidan got the bit about Barnard pointing out that people working on the cars probably shouldn't be drinking wine at lunch.
@robmortimer4150
@robmortimer4150 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of my first time seeing Super Monaco GP with the flappy paddles in the arcades and being super excited!
@harmkuijpers6642
@harmkuijpers6642 Жыл бұрын
I feel your pain of having the shifter on the 'wrong' side. When I went to England on holiday in 2018, I took my own car, which is a left hand drive automatic, meaning I'd only have to deal with driving on the left side of the road. Earlier this year I went to Aberdeen and my company had rented a car for me, which naturally was a right hand drive car, manual gearbox. Probably some of the most dangerous driving I did! Anyway, great video once more. You deserve more subscribers. Your videos are always very informative.
@Benz2112
@Benz2112 Жыл бұрын
Talking about racing, while having a wrestling t shirt on, and guitar gear in the background. You somehow cover all of my favorite hobbyist/fan obsessions in one shot. A man of discerning taste.
@johnjones928
@johnjones928 Жыл бұрын
From what I remembered another reason for Ferrari going to paddle shifting was their V12 had a narrow rev band and Barnhard knew his system could allow a 7th ratio in the gearbox without having to find room in the cockpit for another position in the H pattern shift gate.
@adamwilliams192
@adamwilliams192 Жыл бұрын
I would love to know if it was Clarkson who first use the phrase “Flappy Paddle Gearbox”…… It might not have been but I certainly associate it with him…
@anthonyw5261
@anthonyw5261 Жыл бұрын
Decades ago I remember see a racing clip of a driver using the stickshift cause paddle shift mechanism broke. Wish I could find it. Outstanding video. Glad to know more about this devices history 👏👏👏👏🏁
@tosehoed123
@tosehoed123 Жыл бұрын
Probably not. You wouldnt build 2 different transmissions on a single car
@AntoniusTyas
@AntoniusTyas 11 ай бұрын
@@tosehoed123 you can do it on a sequential gearbox or more modern automatic. In Porsche 911 GT3 you can shift either by paddles or using the automatic gearlever. Same with Pagani Huayra, you can use either the paddleshift or the gearbox lever.
@alexjenner1108
@alexjenner1108 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps I'm just old, but to me those Ferrari 640 - 643 series of cars were the best looking Ferrari F1 cars and perhaps some of the best looking F1 cars of all time. They sounded great with the V12 and the semi-auto gear changes too.
@1pfuller
@1pfuller Жыл бұрын
100% agree
@brianferus9292
@brianferus9292 Жыл бұрын
I remember watching the race's when Jim Hall's car with the wing ran. The pit reporters said the transmission was derived from a transit bus, so the flappy paddles made sense. Also remember the linkage with the wing breaking and he came in the pit and the mechanics ran out with hacksaws and cut off the wing.
@tomnewham1269
@tomnewham1269 Жыл бұрын
For the Gen 3 V8 Supercars here in Australia, there was a strong push for them to have the flappy paddle shifting for the gearbox. However there was a strong backlash from the fans as they want to see the drivers doing stuff in the cabin. So the sport relented and now the series still use the semi sequential gear lever to change gears. The only reason V8 Supercars went to a sequential gear from using the old H pattern is due to drivers in the past would often miss a gear which caused the engines to over rev therefore costing the teams money. Fun Fact #1. When the sequential gear lever was introduced, Brad Jones Racing still used the H pattern for a while as he thought it was a faster system even though he was the only team to do so. Fun Fact #2. When Greg Murphy did the Lap of the Gods at Mt Panorama he actually missed a gear during that lap as the old H pattern was still in use.
@Colin_Pole
@Colin_Pole Жыл бұрын
At around the time of the Canadian Grand Prix, someone at Ferrari used a high speed film camera and filmed a V12 on the dyno. The engine only had 3 main bearings and was bending the crankshaft, causing too much stress on the clutch and gearbox and the gearbox broke. The following year, 1990, the engine now had 5 main bearings and the clutch and gearbox was much happier. Turns out that John's Flappy Paddle design was alright all along. You need to do a video about John Barnard and his innovations to F1 and motorsport.
@ibex485
@ibex485 Жыл бұрын
The story goes that nobody at Ferrari expected to finish the first race of '89 at Rio, as the gearbox had never managed anywhere near a full race distance in testing. Everyone expected it to fail before long. Then midway through the race a strange noise came over the radio... it was Nigel Mansell merrily singing Mary Had a Little Lamb without a care in the world while leading the race. xD
@hugoagogo9435
@hugoagogo9435 Жыл бұрын
I think there was a story that Nigel had booked a early flight as he didn’t expect to be there by the end of the race. I’m sure I heard that somewhere
@ibex485
@ibex485 Жыл бұрын
That sounds familiar, I think you're right. 😀
@Holden308
@Holden308 Жыл бұрын
John Barnard was kinda lucky in a way with the semi-automatic transmission at Ferrari. A lot of their engineers hated the concept as being too complicated, though it coming from Barnard probably had something to do with its unpopularity at Maranello. But one person thought it was a great idea and thus Barnard was given what he needed to get it done. The old man loved it and could see the advantages. Without that behind the scenes support from Enzo himself, Barnard had little hope of getting it done, at Ferrari at least.
@terminateshere
@terminateshere Жыл бұрын
Brazil 1989. The first F1 race I remember watching - due to Mansell's Ferrari debut and a local boy (to me) Johnny Herbert having his first F1 race. I do remember learning what pit stops were really for at this race, but I was confused as Murray Walker was as to why they changed 5 wheels at one of them. Only years later did I find out it was all rooted in bleeding-edge technology.
@nololol
@nololol Жыл бұрын
i basically sit around waiting for you to do your version of these because you approach them with such a clinical strain of racing autism no other youtuber can match.....cant wait to see you hit a million being real!
@mgers75
@mgers75 Жыл бұрын
I remember reading about paddle shifters in popular mechanics magazine before I actually started watching F1. Now the system has been in Honda Accords for 10 years!
@rolux4853
@rolux4853 Жыл бұрын
But in the civic it’s just an electronic actuation for the automatic transmission, not a pedal shifted manual sequential transmission. There are similar systems out there, BMWs SMG comes to mind which is a manual transmission with a regular dry clutch but you shift it with pedals.
@JohnSmithShields
@JohnSmithShields Жыл бұрын
The timing for the comment about coming back down the gears as you crashed over the cliff edge. A Roberto Moreno sized chef's kiss.
@Holden308
@Holden308 Жыл бұрын
That 1989 Brazilian GP was a story in itself and the one I truly felt for that day was Derek Warwick. The Briton finished 5th, 18 seconds behind Mansell in the Ferrari. The problem for Warwick was that Arrows stuffed up one of his two pit stops and in his 2nd stop he was stationary for 25 seconds instead of the usual 6-9 that F1 tyre stops were back in the day. Do the math. Had Arrows mechanics not stuffed that stop Warwick wins by about 7 seconds. Instead, he finished 5th.
@henkormel5610
@henkormel5610 Жыл бұрын
Walter Rohrl's foot work in the Opel Manta 400 is filmed and is availible on You Tube.
@joefratianni8693
@joefratianni8693 Жыл бұрын
Damn those cars are just beautiful. The simplicity, the elegance of the lines....the v12 song....Barnard penned some beauties.
@caincha
@caincha Жыл бұрын
I remember in 1989 Ferrari wouldn't finish any race cause the gears would break (of course from memory but as said on video they did finished a couple) There is a free video on KZbin with Senna testing the Honda NSX in Suzuka with a camera showing his feet doing the 'punta-taco' (not sure if Spanish or Italian but it was the 'norm' for a long time) And I was smiling to myself from the very beginning of the video just waiting to hear about Roberto Moreno cause I knew he was part of the developing team 😂😂
@aoife1122
@aoife1122 Жыл бұрын
The vid can be found here under "Ayrton Senna's Heel-and-toe"
@mikesummers-smith4091
@mikesummers-smith4091 Жыл бұрын
I can just about remember prewar vehicles without synchromesh which had accelerator pedals 3-4" longer than the other two, so that you could blip them with your right heel when braking. Because if you didn't, you got an expensive-sounding crunch from the gearbox when changing down.
@F-Man
@F-Man Жыл бұрын
Or a Toyota Tacoma 😂
@slowerthinker
@slowerthinker Жыл бұрын
I was a young teenager with a little experience driving dad's car around empty car parks on Sunday evenings when the flappy paddle semi-automatic ferrari was introduced. It seemed like the most futuristic sci fi piece of magic technology ever when at the start of the F1 season we heard it explained (I guess by Murray Walker??), and it totally blew our minds.
@ianwynne764
@ianwynne764 Жыл бұрын
Hello Aidan: Thank you for this. It's my understanding that the Hewland gearboxes used in the Lotus 49 and many other cars, only need to clutch to get rolling. Once the car was moving, the clutch wasn't needed. I wanted to check the spelling of "Hewland" so I did a search for them. It's very pleasing to see that they are still in business. Have a good day.
@mark4lev
@mark4lev Жыл бұрын
I think you ride the clutch on old manual f1 cars to stop them stalling when pulling away, then once moving, pretty sure you need the clutch on the way up and down the gearbox. It’s still only a straight cut manual box after all.
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 Жыл бұрын
He mentions it in the video but didn't really explain. Most any manual CAN be shifted up and down without a clutch. It's really not that hard. Problem is it can be very hard on synchros or dog rings (usually dog rings for a racing tranny but synchros have the same problem) and remember, this is an age famous for bad reliability. So you would see a mix of styles. Some drivers not using the clutch at all, some using it only for downshifts and some using it on all shifts. Of course could also vary depending on what tranny it is. Some are better at putting up with it than others
@mark4lev
@mark4lev Жыл бұрын
@@wingracer1614 most used a hewland or hewland derived box back when the whole field was manual. Plenty of styles like you say, Alberto used to not use the clutch and bang it in second and blow his dfv up a lot, lots of drivers block shifted on downshifts as well, Berger, boutson, Prost.
@minibus9
@minibus9 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@leandroboado8430
@leandroboado8430 Жыл бұрын
Remember that Ferrari tried for a semi automatic (flappy paddle like, think it was buttons) semi automatic gearbox in the Ferrari 312 T5 or T4 in 1980
@F-Man
@F-Man Жыл бұрын
Yup, Forghieri and Villeneuve tried it once upon a time. Villeneuve didn’t like it, so it never went beyond just a testing oddity.
@Andy_ATB
@Andy_ATB Жыл бұрын
I remember this - it seemed to continually break throughout pre season testing. Then it won the first GP in Rio, Brazil...... And from memory, Benetton in 1993 had an automatic downshifter, operated on the steering wheel. The only major series nowadays that doesn't use 'flappy paddles' is the WRC.....using a sequential shifter.
@Gabbu_Plays
@Gabbu_Plays Жыл бұрын
...which is essentially a flappy paddle that isn't on the steering wheel!
@bmstylee
@bmstylee Жыл бұрын
Well until recent history NASCAR used 4 speed H pattern boxes with a clutch. I've always found it interesting WRC not using paddles but im guessing the need to grab the handbrake probably has something to do with it.
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 Жыл бұрын
@@bmstylee I haven't watched WRC in a few years so I have no idea what they are doing now but years ago, many teams were using a flappy paddle except it was a ring behind the wheel you pulled for upshifts, pushed forward with your fingers for downshifts. One team (I think it was Subaru but could be wrong) put an H pattern shifter in the car but you could still shift it sequentially from the wheel. The H pattern was to allow the driver to quickly grab any gear regardless of what gear the car was in before. Really useful if you went off the road in 5th and needed to quickly grab reverse or 1st to get back on the road.
@mickeynismocat
@mickeynismocat Жыл бұрын
Wow of all people I can't believe you left this story this late!! In a good way I mean!! And what great story!!
@karacop78
@karacop78 Жыл бұрын
One of the few things that still sound good in F1, is the consecutive downshifts because they're so inhumanly fast. And the same goes for road cars that I've driven with the single clutch system. Brutal yes, but sounds and feels great.
@barrycheesemore2928
@barrycheesemore2928 Жыл бұрын
That was really interesting, excellent stuff!!
@arthurbretas2003
@arthurbretas2003 Жыл бұрын
We have to give a lot of credit to you favourite driver, my compatriot Roberto Moreno for all the development testing he did
@paulvanderwoude4336
@paulvanderwoude4336 Жыл бұрын
Again, another awesome video!!!!!
@AvenEngineer
@AvenEngineer Жыл бұрын
The last gen V8 Supercar was my ideal driver control setup. I miss watching SVG manipulate ARB's, Brake Bias, 3 pedals and the wheel. Removing, or confining all those driver inputs to buttons and knobs I can't watch as a fan sucks. I was amazed at the amount of changes V8 drivers were making to bars and bias per corner, and it was instructive to actually see it.
@griffinfaulkner3514
@griffinfaulkner3514 10 ай бұрын
Indycar drivers do something similar at a few of the ovals, Pocono in particular was absolute mayhem before they took it off the calendar for safety reasons. You had drivers attacking the front and rear anti-roll bars, the weight jacker, and the brake bias, plus two gear changes between every corner.
@LaCorvette
@LaCorvette Жыл бұрын
On the topic of cool heel and toe videos: There's also one on YT of Senna doing it in a Honda NSX around Suzuka, wearing Mocassins.
@SteveDull
@SteveDull Жыл бұрын
Back in the day of the H patten gearshift, the drivers used to wear holes in their RH glove with all the gearchanges necessary at Monaco.
@beagle7622
@beagle7622 Жыл бұрын
When Chaparall put a wing on the car it was a huge wing. Hall also used a 2 speed GM auto Transmission developed from the Powerglide Transmission. Ford we’re developing through KarKraft I believe a similar transmission for the J Car version of the Ford GT. Unfortunately after the rule change in Endurance racing in 1968, development was stopped. Mansell at Hockelheim in the Ferrari with the paddle shift was something to watch.
@y_fam_goeglyd
@y_fam_goeglyd Жыл бұрын
Definitely do the video on the Canadian GP. I think it'll surprise some people! Really interesting video on the flappy paddle. I've often wondered what the drivers thought about them. Cheers!
@MrSaywutnow
@MrSaywutnow 8 ай бұрын
Another thing about H-patterns is that accommodating one in a F1 car (or any single seater for that matter) does create a slight asymmetry in the car's bodywork, and this would affect aero. This was another reason why Barnard introduced the system.
@Surestick88
@Surestick88 Жыл бұрын
Speaking of shifters being on the right side of the car... it's impressive how well you can use your non-dominant hand once you learn. I'm solidly right handed but flying most airplanes is done with the left hand on the yoke/stick and right hand for throttle/mixture/prop. You'd think that having your non-dominant on the control that needs the most finesse would be an issue but it just isn't.
@thestarlightalchemist7333
@thestarlightalchemist7333 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, my favourite type of gearbox. I had one of those generic Ferrari 458 wheels for my Xbox a while back, and while most of it was shit, the flappy paddles were fantastic. I really wish more "regular" road cars had the option for them, they're really satisfying to use compared to pushbuttons on the side of the shifter on most modern automatics.
@sandalogaming6766
@sandalogaming6766 Жыл бұрын
I still have one of those Ferrari 458 Thrustmaster wheels. It has no FFB and has been carrying me throughout sim racing through years and the flappys feel AMAZING
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Жыл бұрын
I had that wheel. Still have it actually. Saying that just been playing the new WRC game and one of them fell off on a wheel that’s worth three times as much.
@sugarnads
@sugarnads Жыл бұрын
Lots of cars have them. Theyre irritating.
@aaronaaronsen3360
@aaronaaronsen3360 Жыл бұрын
I drove an automatic Citroen C3 with paddles, it was horrible. I was driving in the Alps and put back the gearbox in full auto mode since it was so bad. On the other hand, I drove an Alfa Romeo Giulia and even though it was a diesel, I absolutely loved it.
@OtterlyInsane
@OtterlyInsane Жыл бұрын
Not a paddle shift, but the Porsche 962 had push button shift on the wheel around 85?
@rogerking7258
@rogerking7258 Жыл бұрын
The best reason for going back to an H pattern shift is that it would place a premium on driver skill and mechanical sympathy. The ability to change gear used to be one of the things that separated the wheat from the chaff.
@alaeriia01
@alaeriia01 Жыл бұрын
Why stop there? Let's go back to the cigar-style cars. No aero, no safety. If you die, you die. Oh, and bring back refueling and V12s.
@n8pls543
@n8pls543 Жыл бұрын
The best reason for going back to manually-adjusted valve timing and having just one big lever to brake is that it would place a premium on driver skill and mechanical sympathy. The ability to crank-start your own car used to be one of the things that separated the wheat from the chaff.
@simonolsen9995
@simonolsen9995 Жыл бұрын
@@n8pls543 Personally, I mourn the loss of skill when they stopped the chariots at the Constantinople Hippodrome. But also, as an OG who can heel/toe faster than a millennial can swipe left, it pains me some when I'm iRacing a stick shift car just like a real one, and I'm a second down to youngsters using flappy paddles.
@AntoniusTyas
@AntoniusTyas 11 ай бұрын
@@simonolsen9995 I miss the days when we need to use our legs to run away from angry _Mammuthus primigenius_
@thatguyfromcetialphaV
@thatguyfromcetialphaV Жыл бұрын
The Ferrari gearbox used a normal box with a potentiometer to measure engine revs but the battery wasnt powerful enough to power the unit... hence it kept breaking down. The Williams FW14 used a barrel gearbox like a motorbike with hydraulic valves to measure engine revs.
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 Жыл бұрын
Ah the 640. Nigel Mansell is my favourite racing driver ever. When he won his first Grand Prix in the Ferrari at Brazil, I thought that it would be the season when he finally won the World Championship. Which he probably would have done, but for the reliability of the car. Mainly the gearbox if i remember correctly. His other victory in 1989 at the Hungarian Grand Prix showed that it would have been possible if his car had the reliability of the McClaren for example........
@T_Mo271
@T_Mo271 Жыл бұрын
Just checked a video on Mansell's DQ at Canada. Wild stuff.
@the80hdgaming
@the80hdgaming Жыл бұрын
I'm able to shift with either hand, but I grew up on a farm... I learned on farm tractors with non-standard shift patterns, a second and sometimes 3rd gear range shifters, and not to mention that those tractors have hand throttles... But I also play racing games with paddles... Put me in it, I can shift it... 🤣🤣🤣
@konekillerking
@konekillerking Жыл бұрын
I've read/heard that although these systems are extremely expensive, they are considered to be cheaper over the season because they are harder for the drivers to break.
@d00dEEE
@d00dEEE Жыл бұрын
I believe the Chaparral 2F has the moving wing. First pic on wikipedia article, see the actuator rods on the back of the struts. If I remember right, wing angle of attack was increased via the brake pedal: hit the brakes, lots more drag+rear downforce. Not sure what flattened it on the straights, I should dig out my old books.
@KMRobertson
@KMRobertson Жыл бұрын
Since the 2F had an automatic transmission and needed no clutch pedal, Jim Hall put in a left pedal to flatten the wings on the straights when the pedal was applied.
@frankshaffer7645
@frankshaffer7645 Жыл бұрын
The Mass Damper was awesome and practical.
@MotherShipMedia
@MotherShipMedia 5 ай бұрын
I have to think drivers ultimately also appreciate that, when heavy braking from 200kph to 60kph and downshifting three gears while negotiating a hairpin, they can now keep both hands on the wheel while they do it lol.
@JMFuller
@JMFuller Жыл бұрын
Aidan "We're taking a break from safety stuff." Me "Another plus for paddle shifters, they're safer. The driver can keep both hands on the wheel."
@oldmanV17
@oldmanV17 Жыл бұрын
I remember when this happened. By that time I was a raging open wheel fanatic, F1, Indycar and the lower levels. Another thing the flappy paddle and sequential in Indycar revolution took away from the H box pattern cars were shifts to incorrect gears and the resulting destruction of gearboxes and engines.
@Troy-McLore
@Troy-McLore Жыл бұрын
Crazy that today even a Diesel Mercedes estate has flappy paddles
@Hesitatedeye
@Hesitatedeye Жыл бұрын
Somewhere in New Jersey a social worker just got super excited and doesn’t know why.
@djbadlt
@djbadlt Жыл бұрын
NJ resident here .... eh???
@Hesitatedeye
@Hesitatedeye Жыл бұрын
@@djbadlt you a social worker?
@djbadlt
@djbadlt Жыл бұрын
@@Hesitatedeye nah, just a resident .... I'm just confused lol
@LJW1912
@LJW1912 Жыл бұрын
U wot
@Hesitatedeye
@Hesitatedeye Жыл бұрын
@@djbadlt a mutual friend of mine and aidans is from NJ and has a unhealthy obsession with the 640.
@Leahi84
@Leahi84 Жыл бұрын
Wonder what i would be like if they decided to go back to H pattern today. How different would the cars drive/how much slower, and how long would it take modern drivers to adapt. Would be really interesting. Also would be interesting if they removed power steering.
@DerGeraet205
@DerGeraet205 Жыл бұрын
H-Pattern with 8 gears and a reverse seems like a nightmare honestly, but the power steering I think could be too dangerous on fast corners. The old Group C cars were already hard to drive, and their downforce is simple compared to F1. In WRC, occasionally someone knocks out their power steering from an impact and instantly loses all chance of a decent result and just tries to get through it at around 50-80kph
@DerGeraet205
@DerGeraet205 Жыл бұрын
H-Pattern with 8 gears and a reverse seems like a nightmare honestly, but the power steering I think could be too dangerous on fast corners. The old Group C cars were already hard to drive, and their downforce is simple compared to F1. In WRC, occasionally someone knocks out their power steering from an impact and instantly loses all chance of a decent result and just tries to get through it at around 50-80kph
@brokeafengineerwannabe2071
@brokeafengineerwannabe2071 Жыл бұрын
I believe the main thinking behind most manual race cars had their shifter on the right is that most circuits are clockwise, and a weight bias slightly to the right would result in a faster lap time(similar thinking in nascar). For example Le mans is clockwise so most endurance cars have their shifters on the right.
@comeausautomotiveradioshow
@comeausautomotiveradioshow Жыл бұрын
Notice you have a Boston bruins hat on,big fan of the Bruins here in Boston Massachusetts,also big fan of the channel
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Жыл бұрын
Grew up near Boston England. 😅
@comeausautomotiveradioshow
@comeausautomotiveradioshow Жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward Funny you grew up near Boston in England and I grew up here in Boston in New England
@AntoniusTyas
@AntoniusTyas Жыл бұрын
There is this fun fact about John Barnard's move to Ferrari. Back at McLaren, people seemed to notice that John copied a lot of his stuffs into his folder. Then they found out that John is moving to Ferrari. Steve Nichols said that when a conversation occurred on the upper floor, where John was stationed, it was just a mumble when heard from his office. This time round, when Ron Dennis entered John's room, Steve can hear every single words loud and clear. I don't think Ron was particularly enthused with John moving to Ferrari. ALSO FUN FACT: In older flappy-paddled cars like 430 Scuderia, Lexus LFA, Aston V12 Vantage S and e-gear-equipped Lamborghinis (Murcielago and Gallardo) plus Aventador, you do need to do heel-and-toe to downshift. And below, say, 4000rpm, do lift-off while doing upshifts. However, beyond 4000 or 5000rpm just keep your foot down the throttle for that maximum whipcrack upshifts. By doing all that, you will actually smooths out the gearchange during downshifts (and upshifts below 4k rpm) and help with clutch engagement and disengagement, meaning you can prolong your clutch wear, keeping it as minimum as possible. Also, it is a lot more involving that way. In the past I am in that dichotomy of either ultrasmooth double clutches or slick manuals. But nowadays I found these type of robotised manual having their own charms. Especially in the likes of 430 Scuderia and GranTurismo MC Stradale (same gearbox and software, by the way).
@Ultegra10SPD
@Ultegra10SPD Жыл бұрын
Glossed over the fact that originally they weren’t even flappy paddles but buttons. -U10
@briankearn6991
@briankearn6991 10 ай бұрын
Barnard explained himself in many interviews that his main reason was to not have the gear linkage interfere with the aerodynamics he wanted underneath the car.
@benjaminbenson8714
@benjaminbenson8714 Жыл бұрын
If you rev match on down shifts you don't need to use a clutch and going up the box just lift and slot it into gear. Don't do it with your own car but I always drive curtesy cars without using the clutch. It's amazing how quickly you get it bang on every time. It's very rewarding and easier to do when you are pushing on a bit.
@moosemaimer
@moosemaimer Жыл бұрын
And in the face of this, Toyota develops an electronic third pedal / gearshift lever for electric cars, complete with software that can simulate stalling. See the Ars Technica article from a few days ago.
@metarotta
@metarotta Жыл бұрын
somehow robert moreno found his involvement in here too
@stephendrake8145
@stephendrake8145 Жыл бұрын
Motorcycles have had sequential shifters for ages, both hand shift & foot shift…
@KR1736
@KR1736 Жыл бұрын
I really do wonder if someone other then Ferrari got it working in a F1 car would they work to get it banned like the brake pedal stuff
@jonnyspa27
@jonnyspa27 Жыл бұрын
Another shifting “twinkle-toes” cam to check out is Ricky Rudd at Sonoma from the mid-90s. Like ballet 🩰 🙌😎🏁
@boxy2k8
@boxy2k8 Жыл бұрын
We need a Roberto Moreno feature length special for 100k
@nelson408.
@nelson408. 7 ай бұрын
1:54 Ferrari hadn't won a race since 1985.... except the 1988 Italian GP when they were 1st and 2nd after Senna spun off....
@edoardorenzi5802
@edoardorenzi5802 19 күн бұрын
Won also 2 races in 1987 with berger
@morganmurphy38
@morganmurphy38 Жыл бұрын
5:21 RIP in peace
@DBerwick
@DBerwick Жыл бұрын
Not to be pedantic, but Jim Hall wrote about the Chaparral 2E and how they achieve what they did. It didn't have a semiautomatic gearbox. What it did have was a 2-speed, later 3-speed, dog box with a hydramatic torque converter in place of a clutch.
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 Жыл бұрын
Yep. Anyone that watches Cleetus McFarland's youtube channel may be familiar with the concept thanks to McFlurry being a 5 speed Lynco transmission with a torque converter instead of a clutch.
@seancassidy795
@seancassidy795 Жыл бұрын
Roberto Moreno ushering in the future
@seancassidy795
@seancassidy795 Жыл бұрын
I promise I’ll stop talking about him once we hit 100k
@spicyturbocans5848
@spicyturbocans5848 Жыл бұрын
RE; heel and toe - NASCAR was amazed at SVG’s footwork earlier this year too
@WombatXBT
@WombatXBT Жыл бұрын
Ahhh the good ol’ flappy paddles 😂
@Krocodillian
@Krocodillian Жыл бұрын
Would be cool to do a video on the now everyday tech on normal cars that was developed in F1.
@joela6542
@joela6542 Жыл бұрын
The Ferrari 640 was such a beautiful car
@juliochavez4828
@juliochavez4828 Жыл бұрын
At this point we need a video about Roberto Moreno’s F1 career.
@AGB_HDV
@AGB_HDV Жыл бұрын
Game changer... Another quality production...
@cosmostrek2001
@cosmostrek2001 Жыл бұрын
Ferrari should have patented this and licensed it to companies and f1 teams
@captaintoyota3171
@captaintoyota3171 Жыл бұрын
Nah im sure it was designed long b4 ferrari. Most engineer like that was, it was just the tech made it actually possible eventually
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Жыл бұрын
That's a fast track way of getting it banned. Renault tried that stunt with the mass dampers and lo and behold the other teams said fuck you.
@stephendrake8145
@stephendrake8145 Жыл бұрын
Actually many of the race cars on the 1940’s & 1950’s had preselector gearboxes, you would put the transmission in the gear then press the clutch & bingo proper gear!!!😊
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 Жыл бұрын
They were somewhat rare which baffles me. It's what I would want in a 30s-early 50s grand prix car.
@docslappy8946
@docslappy8946 Жыл бұрын
Another reason teams wanted to stick with them was cost. Fewer mis-shifts equals fewer damaged engines and gear boxes. Unfortunately, that also robbed drivers of a means of overtaking - pressuring a driver into making a mistake and missing a gear shift. Ron Dennis also thought it was a big deal that cars could now be completely symmetrical. But I don't know how big a deal that really was...
@dylanzrim3635
@dylanzrim3635 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s not outside the team of possibility for the FIA to regulate shifting to be on a stick seperate from the wheel. Teams will then effectively use simrig shifters. Lewis Hamilton is keen for there to be off wheel shifting too
@hugoagogo9435
@hugoagogo9435 Жыл бұрын
Brazil 89 was the first gp I ever watched and had already declared myself a Ferrari fan way before watching or knowing anything about the sport at all. When Mansell won I thought wasn’t I the clever one choosing the best team. Eh yeah it went a bit downhill after that. Then the Schumacher era arrived. My wait for glory was over. However I’m back to waiting again. I heard a rumour that next year will be our year and I can only assume that’s true. But I assume that every year. That being clever and picking the right team thing hasn’t really happened.
@thesunnynationg
@thesunnynationg Жыл бұрын
❤ it thank you Aiden
@chrispraz877
@chrispraz877 Жыл бұрын
I see a badass Marshall...Aidan knows! 🤟🏻🇬🇧🇺🇸
@elithornton6276
@elithornton6276 Жыл бұрын
There's a video of senna driving the honda n s x
@stuartanderws5705
@stuartanderws5705 Жыл бұрын
I don't know why more cars don't have the paddle shift. The H gearbox only has to leavers connected to the end of the gear lever. so replace that with two solenoids, instead of hydraulic pressure regulated by electric valves. It doesn't have to be quick to beat the hand. Or do solenoids just don't last that long for a family car? I really want to know if there are any car technical engineers out there.
@wingracer1614
@wingracer1614 Жыл бұрын
There are lots of cars with paddle shifters on the road. Unfortunately most of them are really just slushboxes that can be manually shifted via the paddles. There are some truly F1 style flappy paddles out there but they kind of suck for daily driving. Great on a track but suck in a parking lot. The middle ground that seems to work for daily driving is the dual clutch transmission, some of which have flappy paddles.
@stuartanderws5705
@stuartanderws5705 Жыл бұрын
@@wingracer1614 I guess the Engineering is harder than it sounds.
@mark4lev
@mark4lev 8 ай бұрын
The Ferrari 355/360, m3, lambos, some I’ve forgotten, used an ‘automated manual ‘ gearbox, which is exactly what you are alluding to. They didn’t work well. Had to wait till dsg before a truely useable flappy paddle gearbox arrived.
@leoa4c
@leoa4c Жыл бұрын
The main reason for the gearbox was largely aerodynamic, not the ease and quickness of changing gears. Indeed, the earlier versions of the gearbox were only marginally faster than their manual counterpart.
@ScottFoster482002
@ScottFoster482002 Жыл бұрын
My favorite time of day. Coffee ☕ with Aidan.
@Tom_Hadler
@Tom_Hadler Жыл бұрын
The Chaparral 2C didn't have an adjustable rear wing, that was the 2E
@LadyAnuB
@LadyAnuB Жыл бұрын
Aidan, Why isn't your sim racing setup favored over to your left hand? Unless you're stuck with the shifter on the right, I figure you should be able to put it on the left. (Point to a video if you've talked about this already. Thank You.)
@AidanMillward
@AidanMillward Жыл бұрын
My handbrake/h shifter is on the left hand side, where it is in my road cars. While there is the whole “that’s how it is in reality” thing, I can only get in to the rig from the right any way so it’s a necessity at the same time 😅
@LadyAnuB
@LadyAnuB Жыл бұрын
@@AidanMillward I didn't know the bias went down to the seat setup
@Themonkeyman918
@Themonkeyman918 Жыл бұрын
Two videos in a day?😮
@AlonsoRules
@AlonsoRules Жыл бұрын
Ferrari with innovation, there's something new!
@aalhard
@aalhard Жыл бұрын
Do a series on every driver's DQ'S
@rossrreyes
@rossrreyes Жыл бұрын
Ferrari 639/640 for me the best looking F1 car in history
@patrickparisienne1917
@patrickparisienne1917 Жыл бұрын
Lift and slam isn’t quite right. Racing gearboxes don’t have synchromesh, hence a simple lift and the gear will easily slip into the next gear. Rev matching on the downshift allows the same. You can drive a manual road car the same way, quite safely. I learnt in my late teens to do this.
@stuartanderws5705
@stuartanderws5705 Жыл бұрын
I remember watching Nigel Mansell driving the Ferrari, after the first win it all seemed up hill, a winning car than failed most races, only getting reliable by the end of Prost first year. Mansell then left for Williams where he then had another hard time getting active everything to work. Wins the championship then Prost get the car, then Sener got the car. We all know that sad story. Some time when Mansell was driving the Ferrari he got squeezed by Berger along the strait and got two wheels on the grass which dragged the other two on till the car spun 180, then another 180. Mansel accelerated to have another go at Berger.
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