f1 team orders but they get increasingly ignored

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Speed Lab

Күн бұрын

From miscommunications to dramatic fails. In this video, we explore F1 history where team orders went spectacularly wrong

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@ignatiusng1843
@ignatiusng1843 2 ай бұрын
I think there are two types of Team Orders, Ferrari team order in 2002 didn’t make sense because they were so far ahead, but the one in 2010 made sense as Alonso needed those 7pts a lot
@CHARALAMBOS1990
@CHARALAMBOS1990 Ай бұрын
NOT 2002.. 2001…. MAYBE 2004 WAS THE SAME IN A GAME AND IT WAS MEAR OF WINNING FOR MICHAEL!! IF RUBEN WOULDNT LOSE THE 1ST PLACE HE WOULDNT HAVE TO GIVE HIS POSITION!!! RUBEN WAS GREAT AND ALSO FERRARI BACK THEN HELPED HIM TOO WHEN HE NEEDED BUT NO ONE IS SAYING SOMETHING..
@st3fyz
@st3fyz 3 ай бұрын
fernando is faster than you🚫 seb is capable of going quicker✅️
@nathanstroud2223
@nathanstroud2223 Ай бұрын
Well you've also got to understand that they weren't dealing with the same blanket ban on team orders in 2018 that they were subject to back in 2010. Not sure exactly what year the rule changed (I looked it up, it was immediately following the 2010 season), but 2018 was the year Valtteri got team-ordered to death by Mercedes, costing him potentially two wins in what turned out to be a winless season for him.
@gordon_ramsay2060
@gordon_ramsay2060 22 күн бұрын
Kimi trying to get heads at Ferrari to roll
@sdstewart87
@sdstewart87 2 ай бұрын
Hakkinen and Coulthard wasn't team orders. It was an agreement made between the drivers, independent of the team. Jerez 97 was team orders that David had to let Mika by
@JAMES-qp8tz
@JAMES-qp8tz 3 ай бұрын
01:10 *RIP MURRAY WALKER* 😢
@tommcglone2867
@tommcglone2867 3 ай бұрын
Ah the Multi 21 Fiasco. Seb was definitely a bit naughty
@KaiserM3
@KaiserM3 2 ай бұрын
Seb hater?
@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist
@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist 2 ай бұрын
I like Seb. He's a 21st century great. But he did sound a bit pathetic on the team radio, saying he was "scared" of Mark's driving.
@LoudSiren-123
@LoudSiren-123 2 ай бұрын
​@Jesus_H._Tap-DancingChrist not really a great. Could only compete in a good car really. Definitely a good driver but definitely not one of the greats
@MikeCobweb
@MikeCobweb 2 ай бұрын
Seb was unlikable during his early years at RedBull.
@KaiserM3
@KaiserM3 2 ай бұрын
@@MikeCobweb for losers lke yo u maybe hahahaha. Haters are so funny
@Windows7Lover1
@Windows7Lover1 3 ай бұрын
8:13 that audio clip is from the 2021 austrian grand prix (i know its satire, i think)
@KaiserM3
@KaiserM3 2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂 Fernando in delusional mode denying what everyone saw 😂
@Don-Royall
@Don-Royall 2 ай бұрын
What's waas funny is he wasn't actually faster, they were doing close laps team Massa was faster in ome sector, Alonso faster in another.
@KaiserM3
@KaiserM3 2 ай бұрын
@@Don-Royall Are you Alonso's fanboys? why all woke people are like this, unbelievable.... Massa let him pass, Alonso dirty as always, he has been a slow driver his entire career, there was a team order for Massa to give him his poition, thats the question the journalist was doing and Alonso saying... no no.. XD
@live4life767
@live4life767 Ай бұрын
8:11 brilliant tactic👍🏼😎
@thesfdoctor3603
@thesfdoctor3603 2 ай бұрын
What a lot of people don't understand is that about what Schumi said in 2010 is that he would've done the same even if he was in Felipe's footsteps
@timomomomo969
@timomomomo969 12 күн бұрын
yes
@timomomomo969
@timomomomo969 12 күн бұрын
Is it a team sport? Is it an individual sport? Yes!
@Domi984
@Domi984 3 ай бұрын
The tean order to Ralf was probably the smartest choice, especially in a wet race
@josiewallace7968
@josiewallace7968 3 ай бұрын
It really wasn't, Ralf was pissed off
@Domi984
@Domi984 3 ай бұрын
@josiewallace7968 yh sure he might've been pissed, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the best choice in that scenario, you fight your teammate and waste big points for your team, or you don't and get those points
@KaiserM3
@KaiserM3 2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 of course not. Being 3 seconds slower it just shows how bad driver you are, Hill was not even a driver, still remember Spain 96, embarrassing
@sdstewart87
@sdstewart87 2 ай бұрын
​@@KaiserM3Idiotic comment
@thesfdoctor3603
@thesfdoctor3603 2 ай бұрын
The smartest choice would've been to let Ralf through without any fight, since Ralf was 3-5 seconds faster and deserved the victory
@fayyadguissida
@fayyadguissida 3 ай бұрын
I really hate team orders, if i was a racing driver i wouldn't listen team orders, fighting or not for the both championships.
@Hamilton8timeChampion
@Hamilton8timeChampion 3 ай бұрын
then you would be sacked very quickly
@14aivis
@14aivis 3 ай бұрын
​@@Hamilton8timeChampionunless you are max verstapen
@Hamilton8timeChampion
@Hamilton8timeChampion 3 ай бұрын
@@14aivis got a point
@benjithomas112
@benjithomas112 3 ай бұрын
@@Hamilton8timeChampion Depends on the racing series since in some its Illegal for the team to do that
@Hamilton8timeChampion
@Hamilton8timeChampion 3 ай бұрын
@@benjithomas112 yeah that dumb though
@toweliethetowel8280
@toweliethetowel8280 Ай бұрын
Damn I miss Raikonnen so much
@timomomomo969
@timomomomo969 12 күн бұрын
that was great…he was just trolling the team like “say it for all of the fans who are listening”
@beautifulcatastrophe
@beautifulcatastrophe 2 ай бұрын
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
@vanlalhriatiralte7262
@vanlalhriatiralte7262 2 ай бұрын
max going non-verbal when he doesn’t agree with the team order lol love that man
@live4life767
@live4life767 Ай бұрын
4:58 😂😂😂
@TeeToTheBee
@TeeToTheBee 3 ай бұрын
What's with the team asking the faster one on the team to let the slower one though? You don't get points as a team, the points earned are individual.
@IDICEDOUT
@IDICEDOUT Ай бұрын
And thats how lando lost the championship.
@BrendanP
@BrendanP 2 ай бұрын
Letting Piastri through didn't help Lando at all 🙄
@T0FFII
@T0FFII Ай бұрын
What this video highlights is Ferrari have in the past handled team orders in a dreadful way. If Felipe was slower, pass him on track then without any help if you're that much faster. As for 2002 Austria well.. less said about that disgrace the better.
@xonilatifi7955
@xonilatifi7955 3 ай бұрын
Rubens thats the Last lap Let Michael pass for the Championship Let Michael pass for the Championship 😂
@benjithomas112
@benjithomas112 3 ай бұрын
Any other driver today would have told him to F*ck off as that was radio harassments
@kokorecciamca4705
@kokorecciamca4705 2 ай бұрын
11:33 my reaction is just the same as Seb lol
@sergeantnet
@sergeantnet 2 ай бұрын
8:12 Accurate even with 14 year difference 😂
@monochameleongaming5317
@monochameleongaming5317 3 ай бұрын
I'm torn on team orders because, on the one hand, they make the competitive element of the sport a bit of a joke. On the other hand, championships are won over a whole season and you have to look at the bigger picture. Barichello and Massa got screwed and they knew it, but they would have known going in that was the Ferrari strategy. I think the really ridiculous ones are people like Vertsappen and Vettel who know that this is something the team needs, who know the strategy and refuse to go along with it. Yeah, it sucks. But you knew that going in. You might show that you're a superior driver, but you also show that you're unable to put the team before yourself.
@benjithomas112
@benjithomas112 3 ай бұрын
It shouldn't be allowed since it messes up driver performance evaluation. Some orders can work without spoiling the racing so how about a tactical point system. where if the team wants to give an order they must subtract tactical points form the drives total per year and once they run out the team is not allowed to give any more orders to that driver. This way team orders can still be somewhat allowed but there will be a limit to stop "let driver A pass driver B for the championship" since by that point they will be out of TP
@BigLouJo_XVI
@BigLouJo_XVI 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, it’s really no secret that listening to team orders are clearly the most corrupt thing existing in any form of motorsport alive today, especially Formula 1. I think the FIA should make a very strict rule in that sport which forbids teams to tell their drivers how to handle their business on every track that’s on its schedule…I mean, think about it. If team orders never existed in F1 at all, then maybe Michael Schumacher would’ve won at least 2, 3, or even 4 less driver’s championships in his career than what he has under his resume in real life. If team orders never existed in F1 at all, then Red Bull Racing’s “reign of dominance” would’ve probably looked less dominant than ppl would like to believe. Can you imagine how much more exciting and competitive F1 would be if their teams were forbidden by the FIA from bossing their drivers around the way they do every single year?
@cockatoo010
@cockatoo010 2 ай бұрын
These things should be discussed during the briefing, not on the radio
@Dakkyun
@Dakkyun 19 күн бұрын
Cry about it, it's a part of the tactics. It's the team in charge of the driver and the final call is on the driver.
@BigLouJo_XVI
@BigLouJo_XVI 19 күн бұрын
@@Dakkyun I’m not crying about anything, you jackarse. Am I allowed to voice my opinion here, or what?
@axemanracing6222
@axemanracing6222 3 ай бұрын
Should be forbidden under any circumstances. No code talking.
@josiewallace7968
@josiewallace7968 2 ай бұрын
Hamilton did the right thing in Abu Dhabi 2016 imo. Mercedes had already won the constructors championship so surely they could have let Hamilton and Rosberg settle it on the track (without hitting each other of course). Anyone who says they wouldn't have done the same is a liar.
@beautifulcatastrophe
@beautifulcatastrophe 2 ай бұрын
WTF
@Mark-in4fr
@Mark-in4fr 2 ай бұрын
Dumb team no offence lando should have been able to take first. If he did, that gap before Brazil would have been even less, making lando hungrier to fight, and apply more pressure on max. Whether max would have been affected who knows, but lando and McLaren would have been even hungrier than they were
@MikeCobweb
@MikeCobweb 2 ай бұрын
Pfft, no. Lando and McLaren bottled a lot more than simply the Hungarian Grand Prix which is a result of them bottling it as well. One thing I agree with Lando about during that is when he said “You should have pitted him first.”
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