"GET OFF THE FENCE!"| Did Max go too far? Is Lewis in decline? | Jordan and Coulthard DEBATE

Who was in the right, Max or Lando? Was George Russell lucky to pick up his second Grand Prix victory in Austria? And why is Flavio Briatore back in F1?
David Coulthard and Eddie Jordan weigh in on all the big stories from a dramatic period in the F1 season. Plus they look ahead to Silverstone and reflect on tributes this week to the great Gil de Ferran.
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[@CJ-gp9yh]

Glad to hear you’re healthy Eddie!

[@markcrorrigan]

Was he unwell? He doesn't sound too well, hope he's okay!

[@DonStevo82]

Hope he was't too bad. Was this concerning his surgery before Monaco or something else?

[@livinginthisgalaxy7961]

I want Mika as a guest

[@fintonmainz7845]

Or Kimi Räikkonen

[@markcrorrigan]

​@@fintonmainz7845 I would love to see Kimi on a podcast like this

[@fintonmainz7845]

@@markcrorrigan especially after a few beers

[@Satyr1971]

Me too!!!

[@all-rounder8401]

Yes yes yes please 🙏🏻

[@Ryan-uj8kk]

all of the british media is blowing the Max-Lando fiasco out of proportion, infact just a while back at the FIA drivers press conference Lando very clearly said that Max should not apologise to him and he did not expect him to apologise as well. He also mentioned that what he said after the race was something he said at the heat of the moment and once thngs cooled down he realized he did not mean it hence he did not want Max to apologise and that he and Max spoke after the race. He also said he enjoyed racing with Max at Austria.. So all of the british media can go watch the FIA drivers press conference and sulk.

[@Redlingstein]

Yet he already made sure all press heard his Max hate and ran that narrative. And then Stella did it on top refering to 2021… And hear Lando’s full radio of the race… Lando was full of anger and hate towards Max. Threatening to break the friendship and stuff. The radio messages yelling that Max should get penalties for moving under braking as well… Only now, 1 week on, he PLAYS THE NICE GUY cos they race at SILVERSTONE…… The damage in the press, on ALL SOCIAL MEDIA, incl d@aththr@ats, the hate fueling has been done…. You will hear the crowd boo Max even louder this weekend COS OF LANDO’s ATTITUDE AND STELLA’s….. This nice guy act is only to play nice to British crowd and to influence the stewards for this weekend…

[@ThmsDouglas]

@@Redlingstein Look I'm a Max fan first but I do love Lando as well but after that race he dropped a few places on my like meter for being a crybaby but at the same time emotions run high after something like that and you tend to say things without thinking them through. I have said things I wish I wouldn't have in crazy situations and said things I truly do not mean so I can give Lando a pass on that one. Lando hasn't been in that situation in a very long time and it showed he still has a lot to learn.

[@drifter402]

It was such a small racing incident. Obviously it ruined both their races but neither of them were doing anything particularly bad. It just didn't work out for them.

[@Ryan-uj8kk]

@@Redlingstein truth be told even if the max lando incident did not take place the british fans always boo Max and i just love it when max comes to the UK and conquers. Max came, Max saw and Max conquered. Max doesnt care for the booing. he knows he has a job to do and gets on with it.

[@lukedaniels7750]

@@drifter402 The actual racing contact was very minor and unlucky for the both of them. However, some of the moves a few laps earlier were beyond the pale. Reactive defensive moves, overtaking while off the track, etc.

[@TheRealAdamSampson]

"why you looking at me like that?" - 😂 I'm dead

[@quigglyz]

Checo will be P7 in the standings after Silverstone. Red Bull would be nothing without Max.

[@ThmsDouglas]

Max is carrying that team on his shoulders isn't he.

[@sebparent3501]

@@ThmsDouglas FIA and Max want this... It's not a coincidence

[@CAPTDILLIGAF]

Max is a ruthless competitor like Senna, Schumacher and Alonso in their day. Good for him! BTW, the popularity and success of F1 depends on hard racing and fierce rivalries.

[@AmericasChoice]

And that is a truism.

[@gotanycash]

If it bleeds it leads.

[@AmericasChoice]

@@gotanycash Well, not like the old days when we saw actual blood...

[@conors4430]

True, but Eddie literally also said that Max had right away and that should’ve been respected, so which is it? They are racing, or the guy in front has right of way, meaning, not much racing. Can’t be both.

[@CAPTDILLIGAF]

@@conors4430 I didn’t mention any of Eddie’s comments. I was only stating what I believe is true about F1

[@audreyperrin320]

Eddie is right carlos should not have been let go

[@degeautd40]

Peter Windsor thinks the same

[@MarkSiosal]

RIP Gil de Ferran. Very underrated driver......by Europeans at least. And he came across as a really nice guy too.

[@TheMissiIe]

The idea that Max is a track bully and overtly aggressive is just plain stupid. You can't name a single F1 champion that hasn't done those exact same defensive moves. Lewis, Senna, Lauda, Prost, Schumacher, Vettel, Alonso, Rosberg, Fangio, Brabham. All of them race just as hard as Max. But the moment Max does it it's evil?

[@AmericasChoice]

Look at video of Alan Jones blocking people....ha ha. "Try and pass me you M'fer"

[@florisbackx1744]

Well, he is but any ultimate winner is.

[@Redlingstein]

Well said

[@Thebatsign]

Goes well with the crazy world we live in now. If you even look at someone they could be offended 😂

[@Ryzard]

Senna's quote was literally used by Hamilton after crashing iirc... When Senna used it to justify purposefully crashing into Prost to win. Drivers like Shumacher were also dirty like Senna. Hell, fighting elbows out is generally what everyone worships and goes "waah cars too wide, they can't fight like this anymore" - but the second anyone does it, the crying and penalties begin. Y'know how commentary calls DR "the last of the late brakers" and shows clips of him dive bombing in highlights while showing corners? Highlights of the guy locking his tyres while screaming up the inside, forcing BOTH CARS off the track, sometimes with contact, and then taking the lead? Wild to me. Imagine if Max, Piastri, George, etc. pulled that bs? It would be calamity.

[@stagger87]

This'll be a good one! Love Eddie and DC, such an interesting and constantly entertaining pairing. Keep up the amazing work gents!

[@PeterPost-w8m]

This whole thing is a pure British obsession, it’s getting pathetic. The rest of the world enjoyed the race, probably the best race of this year.

[@crispy9489]

Comment sections full of non brits complaining about the brits - who's really obsessed?

[@Thebatsign]

The media fight Max in hopes Max wont supass Lewis's 7 titles.

[@peteracain]

100% and it's driven in part by the headline commentators being British. I would pay anything to watch another stream in OZ if available without the British bias, but no cigar

[@billB101]

@@crispy9489 Exactly, the hypocrisy here is ridiculous. It's almost laughable.

[@P1zzaGuy]

​@@crispy9489Is it an obsession? More like annoyed.

[@ljeskaa]

"Why are you looking at me like that" hahaha, how did I miss these two legends until now

[@obscuraapit]

I wish Eddiie would just tell Martin Brundle to shut up!!! McLaren were blaming Max when Lando dive bombed him twice during the race, this is how ridiculous & toxic F1 has become. Do they really think the driver behind controls the racing line?? Martin Brundle is acting like he's Lando's PR guy not sky commentator, perhaps too much travel & age has got to him. Ted Kravitz is an Ass!! And Will Buxton, "Lewis is a clean racer". Three people none with a single F1 race win is now trying to teach Max how to race!!!

[@driesvanoosten4417]

I expected nothing else from those three. When Max or Fernando defend, they are dangerous, cunning, aggressive, bullies, etc. When it's Lewis, Lando or George, it's hard but fair, daring, brilliant or bold. The bias is extreme with those guys and they use the fact that they are native speakers of English to also bias the narrative of other channels. Palmer is usually more reasonable, but he also used quite a biased rhetoric in his analyses of the incidents. I was dissappointed by that. Good to hear that DC, EJ and Peter Windsor are more reasonable.

[@degeautd40]

​@@driesvanoosten4417love martin always fair his honest opinion martin likes max a lot.

[@Redlingstein]

Hear hear!!!!

[@Redlingstein]

@@driesvanoosten4417yup Palmer was outrageous on the live stream Sunday!

[@someoneunseen5168]

​@@degeautd40brundle is fair and usually a great commentator ..... until someone comes head to head with a british driver.

[@hdg0pc70]

Max was giving Lando a lesson in how to be a World champion. For free.

[@MarkSiosal]

Or how to drive like a pr!ck and get a penalty.

[@mjkou]

indeed!

[@simonpearce9076]

Giving a lesson on how to be a complete prick and not race fair yes.

[@MrBeerlove]

And that lesson is: cheat, they won’t punish you for it

[@mari-us6rh]

@@MrBeerlove Ask your gf/wife!!

[@mjkou]

DC,pls invite Max to this podcast....you should be able, you're close to him

[@GloomGaiGar]

but Max is only ever open and candid on Dutch media. Guess why

[@AnthW1970]

Look what Max did to Sainz 2023 when Sainz went wide same turn last year! Max went wide off track to not make contact and then undercut Sainz and made the pass and did not cry about what Sainz did BUT all these rules and crying is getting annoying! Max defended Lando made the mistake by making contact refusing to move left and make another move

[@andrewmelton2686]

So moving under breaking is legal and max did nothing wrong ?😂

[@Pillshere31]

@@andrewmelton2686 max didnt get a penalty for moving under braking.

[@andrewmelton2686]

@Pillshere31 but he did move under braking so are you suggesting he should've been penalised further?

[@GloomGaiGar]

@@Pillshere31 but he should have. Your blind absolute faith in the human stewards is extremely naive.

[@f1simracingdenyvps230]

@@andrewmelton2686 So dive bombing is legal and lando did nothing wrong? 😂

[@vercingetorix5708]

I totally get sky sports being biased towards English drivers. But F1TV really needs to expand their talent pool. They have DC and that one Canadian Indycar driver. Literally everyone else is English.

[@Redlingstein]

Totally agree. And Palmer was outrageous bias in Austria on the livestream, unacceptable. He is the INTERNATIONAL FEED!

[@pimverboon]

I am from Holland and F1TV is available here but not in the UK. When I called to F1 to complain about the all English crew the first said that they have a lot of fans in the UK. When Instated that F1Pro is not available in the UK on the internet she agreed and would pass the message. So far not much changed. The English journalist think that they play the best football and that Formula 1 is English. Chauvinism is the word here. It’s a pity.

[@karlos1060]

@@Redlingstein I held Palmer pretty high before. But that day he showed his true colour. No Brit can be that good. They simply look for all excuses. Despite it being dominated with British drivers there are plenty of other drivers that win. His attack on Max was just the biggest BS i have ever seen and imo he should not be on TV. The sport is for the world, not only for the UK! The way most of the English media reacts is just unheard of. Like that sad Damon Hill. Back in the days when Schumacher did that thing and won the WC is was gutted for him. Now i say karma! He is nothing then a soar loser!

[@jahblessin3996]

Preach !! I agree 100%

[@_Ben4810]

Are you so cognitively stunted that you are unable to filter-out any supposed 'bias' of a presenter & just watch & enjoy the sport for what it is...? Raymond Baxter was biased, Murray Walker was biased, Jackie Stewart in his commentary days was biased (he disliked Senna & rightly spoke out about him...) most definitely James Hunt was biased...it didn't detract frim the sport whatsoever. This crybaby nonsense for wanting seemingly unbiased presenters is so ridiculous...

[@sz5876]

The British writers and commentators are making WAY too big a deal of an incident that would be barely even remembered in a typical Indycar race, much less the subject of 100+ hours of discussion and countless articles and videos. Get a grip Brits! 🇺🇸

[@SaabJitsu]

When LH was crowding others it was never Hamilton fault. Hell, he still does it but now it's out of frustration.

[@mavadelo]

Lando during the FIA Press Conference: Max has nothing to apologise for, I made statements right after the race and in the week I actually don't believe in, we talked, we are ready to race against each other again"

[@kilotangosierra]

brit bias is a real and ugly problem. honestly

[@fintonmainz7845]

Indycar is just a national spec series.

[@vanbalzup6481]

It’s not really Brits, more English. But you are asking them to break their brainwashing which is impossible 😂

[@brandonmansell]

1000% from Eddie... there was no penalty from Max, it was 100% a racing incident of two leaders fighting for a GP! Max is a driver of a different cloth, cut from the same as Lewis and Alonso.. Like Michael, Senna, Mansell.. These guys will run you ragged... When Max won his first WDC, he had to fight one of the juggernauts of the sport to the final breath for it, Lando got a small taste of it Sunday...

[@maartennijland8429]

You're "SPOT ON", drivers can't just win a race or championship, you have to take it because their 19 other who also wants it!!

[@SuperTimeStretch]

You have 81 starts in iracing sports cars and a single win, 26 top 5s. Please continue to tell us how much you know about racing. You've never even raced a formula car in the sim.

[@Evarakeus]

@@SuperTimeStretch You're really so mad at his opinion that you looked him up on iR? That's fucking sad bro

[@brandonmansell]

@@SuperTimeStretch Lmao i have 52 career poles and 34 wins.. you're super triggered

[@SuperTimeStretch]

@@brandonmansell Hey bud we can actually look up your stats.

[@15schola]

Well said gentlemen. This will teach everyone to take a moment and look at things before they make comments and assumptions. These 2 know what racing was and still is and are amazing to listen to.

[@Er32k]

Just saw the PC with Lando...all is well between Max and Lando and Lando was very mature about it.Silverstone..let's go!!

[@degeautd40]

Exactly let's go

[@svenhurdurburdursson8765]

So true!! Eddie is a legend

[@mohammedArif-z2f]

Senna is idolised for taking people out deliberately, yet verstappen is just ultra aggressive but the agenda against him is incredible. Has he taken anyone out in a premeditated way? Don't get the hate, he actually defends his position with his life. As if its his first win. Amazing to see the hunger is still there. This is his dna

[@jerome8670]

Yes Hamilton all of 21 Ocon for unlapping himself The list goes on? He’s had a hand full of Stella races for me that’s it? That rb car as been decades above every one

[@mohammedArif-z2f]

@@jerome8670 😂😂😂 this ground effect red bull has nowhere near the delta advantage the mercs did in the hybrid era Good thing you're not the judge, max is considered one of the best by experts for a reason

[@Haarlemmer81]

Senna and Schumacher where lucky social media wasn't on the level it is now. They also would have goten massieve hate online because there not from England.

[@someoneunseen5168]

​@@Haarlemmer81they already both got hate in the british press and from their reporters which was the media of the day.

[@jerome8670]

@@mohammedArif-z2f​​⁠that’s not factual! RB have been turning down for two seasons they’ve shown their hand a few times and it’s been over a second a lap easy? Their drs legality phase when they was ultra more efficient with it was a joke I don’t get how no one sees it look at the stats the last two seasons … you just think that’s all on maxs shoulders? When your cars that much quicker he never took chances at all and that’s why it’s alllll coming back again the same old Mardy max . Just keep watching Lewis always had dominant car for sure but Ferrari was there and always his team mate and even some tracks red bull was quicker!

[@geronimoprojectengineering6609]

Eddie Jordan 💯💯💯

[@johnnytampocao7671]

I agree with EJ, that move by Max slightly to the left hand side is a normal move when you’re approaching the corner to keep your carstable and you’re leading the race you have every right to take the racing lane. No penalty should be given to anyone it’s a pure racing incident.

[@markwilliams3562]

EJ forgets to say what he thought about the pass Lando made on the inside and Max just drove round the outside and didn't give the place back (unlike how Lando did)

[@hdg0pc70]

Max is a racing driver.

[@Fac3bon3s]

I don't know man, think he is a elephant driver. Debatable.

[@taykitrleevitt4314]

If everyone followed his example, there wouldn't be many finishers... just look at how one or two championships finished between Senna and Prost.

[@robainscough]

That lost the race? Yeah ok ... that makes ZERO sense.

[@isaacm2374]

1+1 =2

[@robainscough]

@@taykitrleevitt4314 It doesn't take talent to crash out another driver. Vercrappen has the best car, the fastest pit stop crew (in 99% of the races), most reliable car, well funded to the point of cheating spending limits rules, and yet when being passed he resorts to crashing out other drivers (Lando is one of many Vercrappen has taken out).

[@conseated3616]

F1 a sport that penalises drivers for racing, Max did nothing wrong ,you'd thing that he just tried to drive Lando into the pitwall or T boned straight into him at the first turn Senna like.

[@degeautd40]

Or prost like turning in on him in 89

[@harryheckels7232]

Agreed but a few incidents where others did get penalised for same actions as Max

[@conseated3616]

@@degeautd40 People only focus on that one incident at Suzuka when Prost turned in on Senna to denigrate Prost, but watch that entire season and Prost had to take avoiding action multiple times to avoid an accident with Senna that season.

[@GloomGaiGar]

Making contact in open wheel racing isn't "racing". Of course Max isn't dumb enough to try something as moronic as "drive Lando into the pitwall". He knows how to play the stewards and bend the rules not outright violate them like a clown.

[@tomphillips2334]

There's a difference between fair and unfair racing though. There's no talent in moving your infront of your competitors to stop passes every which way.

[@markt6743]

100% agree with you Eddie! I was on my own defending true racing. Max might have had elbows out but he was first into the corner. Left room on the outside and Lando had the chance to ease off. Honestly, if the stewards were quicker with the lando peno, it could have been avoided. Shumi, Hamilton, Prost, Senna- no way would that have conceded that corner. Lando is too nice. He needs to develop sharp elbows. HOWEVER both drivers were so diplomatic and spoke brilliantly directly after and Lando genuinely seems like a lovely lad. He just needs to take a leaf from max and develop a mean streak.

[@Redlingstein]

Lando was full of hate in the interview after the race in Austria! He was making a big deal of it. And Andrea Stella did some on top…. Lando was not calm or diplomatic. Max WAS.

[@Redlingstein]

Lando is no lovely guy. You should hear his full race radio from the race AND listen to all his interviews after the race…..

[@ThmsDouglas]

Exactly yet another reason the stewards need to be on top of everything and if it's a penalty give it right then and there.

[@51bikerboy]

A football referee can kill a game by strictly whistle by the rules instead in the spirit of the game! Stewards can do the same with a F1 race!

[@Thebatsign]

Great comparison and good point also 🔥

[@reddwarf666]

Now apply this common sense to Abu Dhabi 2021 and watch your inbox explode with righteous angry LH fans going apeshit over dots and commas in the regulations 🙂

[@user-kh7zf]

@@reddwarf666 The one unfortunate part about AD was that it involved safety procedures, and F1 should rightfully be very careful with those. But indeed, the spirit of racing is very important, and I really wonder what kind of racing we'll see in 2026 if we combine no DRS and anti-battle stewardship

[@Matt231985uk]

I thought Lando’s dive on lap 63 was a legit overtake, kept it within track limits and ahead at the apex, and Max took to the run off and kept the position. That was worth a time penalty. The incident itself that resulted in the punctures was just hard racing

[@buca512boxer]

Anyone who didn't see it coming understands nothing about racing and about max. Taking the hypocritical english side on this one is just being ignorant. In the end both were equally at fault. And to be honest #LandoNorris showed his inexperience as he could have kept pressuring #MaxVerstappen into a mistake instead of being all banzai, since being all banzai on max gets you what lando got. Now max extended his lead further by 12 points to 81 points over lando, meaning that lando lost and max won. In hindsight, the dotardic stewards should have timely informed the teams that Lando had a 5 second penalty. That would have made both @LandoNorris and @MaxVerstappen relax a bit since Lando would've known that 1st place was out of reach and max would've known that 1st place was his. Thus, no unnecessary clashes.

[@karlgolles8202]

D C and Eddie, cheers from 🇦🇹 , great show .

[@AmericasChoice]

they are great. so is Peter Windsor. So much F1 knowledge

[@gerardweerts7195]

I love you guys, F1 Liberty Media should pay you lots of dough, you are the best knowledgeable promoter of F One, Full stop and congrats! PS: Mr. Newey, I am a sailor like you and >r. Jordan: discover and enjoy but be always careful.

[@CarlGelin-b6r]

Journalists, fans and drivers complain over the lack of racing for years. Once the racing finally gets going, they all complain about the way the racing is done. Journalists, fans and drivers all complained for years about the rules being too strict for racing. Once the racing finally gets going - they complain about the enforcement of the rules not being strict enough.😅

[@lumberguy7000]

Max is the the best thing to happen to F1 since Senna and Schumacher

[@MrBritishComedy]

Very true

[@SaabJitsu]

What he and RB are doing in a cost cap era is truly incredible. Not sure we've ever seen anything like it and I'm a Bottas fan! Lol

[@mrorangepeel659]

Then why is he disliked so much? Lewis remains the Superstar with the biggest fandom by far. You talk such crap.😊

[@AlmeloNoordOost1994]

​@@mrorangepeel659 mostly by salty british fans🤣🤣🤣

[@therealBocaStudios]

He was mediocre before the last two season and will be mediocre again once Honda engines leave RB in 26

[@greyhorse1211]

The stupid thing is a light touch of these horrible carbon fibre wheel centres causes them to shatter which is what happened here (Verstappen/Norris).

[@AmericasChoice]

I was totally shocked to see 2 punctures out of that incidental contact.

[@driesvanoosten4417]

I don't think this was a rim problem. In both cases, the carcas of the tyre actually stayed on the rim, unlike in many other incidents we have seen recently.

[@greyhorse1211]

@@driesvanoosten4417 not sure, but i thought I’d seen a shot of Norris rear wheel showing the rim smashed up. I’m guessing they are pretty brittle.

[@scottmeredith3359]

You guys just sitting here proving why you’re absolute legends. Thanks for having the balls to give an honest take and prioritize fierce racing over petty, semantic arguments about the rules

[@Jaden2977]

I believe Raikonen had the fairest racing almost all the time, even when fighting for the championship. Drivers echo this opinion throughout the paddock.

[@mrkic23]

True, he was probably the only champion that was ultra agressive on attacking and defending but never beyond the limits of rules.

[@gilmer3718]

If you watch from both on board cameras, Max's tire gets puncture first by Lando making contact with him. Then I honestly think Max loses the car because his left rear was non-existent.

[@hishers251]

Because Max ran into Lando!

[@randar1969]

Some people still feel robbed because Max in Abu Dhabi 2021 got very lucky when Latiffi in a Williams crashed and caused a safety car. Yes Hamilton was almost half a minute in front of Max but also because they didn't pit. Thus Max got behind him on fresher tires. Normally you let all the lapped cars unlap themselves but that would cause an safety car finish. Let me remind people that earlier that year in Belgium due to heavy rain the race was finished after the safety car where Max got half points. In the following drivers meeting all teams and that includes Mercedes asked Masi to do whatever possible to not have races finish, while there was a safety car present. You can think what you want what Masi decided (only to unlap cars between Lewis and Max and have the safety car immidiatly go away. But to blame/dislike Max for that is just unfair.

[@adrian3355w]

Max will forever be blamed for this as if he was the president of the FIA in 2021... If people want to see unfair driving they need to watch the 2016 Abu Dhabi race...

[@ThmsDouglas]

Exactly they act as though Max planned it all himself it's insane these people.

[@JPEaglesandKatz]

Oh do I miss seeing you around the track mr Jordan. I think you guys nailed with the Max situation.. Finally 2 men who know what they are talking about and at least being fair. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to you guys. I so hope F1 doesn't turn into a clinical sport where all these expensive cars with in them very expensive drivers, drive around in a big line all following each other delivering one boring race after the other... The races Max has been involved in where there was a fierce battle all had a 10 as far as entertainment value. I think it is exactly what the sport needs. He will drive at the Max every lap in every single race he is part of. That is what sets him apart from probably anyone on the grid at the moment. There is a reason why we regard Senna, Schumacher as legends.. They gave everything they had every single race, every single minute they were driving. I think Max is the same... If you want to pass max on track better make sure you have at least some room left or buffer because he will defend his position. As he should. I am so disguisted by most of the commentators and a lot of the english press after last weeks race dragging max' legacy through the mud as if he is the worst things that ever happened to the sport. Au contraire.. It is great to hear a breath of fresh air again from two amazing guys. Not because they agree with me.. But because they are right.

[@As-qz5lr]

Great pod but can we have timestamps please? I can't afford tickets to Silverstone because I am not a millionaire so don't care about Kings of Leon or Texas performing there.

[@fintonmainz7845]

That bit was bloody tedious

[@johanfeenstra8778]

I love the common sense here. It is racing. Max by the way getting more support by the day. Drivers speak out etc. Only Damon Hell wants Max get more penalties hahaha

[@Raptor0750]

Damon who?

[@quigglyz]

@@Raptor0750 Hell

[@gabyvandinterenpmp956]

When Damon speaks, I turbo click a button. Either Fast-Forward, Back or Mute.

[@jasonjansen9831]

Hill is such a knob

[@PeterPost-w8m]

Isn’t it Demon?

[@wofffefe6342]

The other drivers, Lando included, need to just start moving under breaking considering the precedent that its no longer against the rules.

[@JeroenKransen]

It is not literally in the rules any more since 2017, also because it it too ambiguous. Many drivers change direction somewhat during braking.

[@robsterling9903]

Lando just needs to figure it out or be an also ran.

[@robainscough]

Figure what out exactly? How to keep Vercrappen from turning the steering wheel into him and taking him out, not once, but again after first contact.

[@robsterling9903]

@@robainscough like how Prost dealt with Senna.. Like how Webber dealt with Vettel ..

[@robainscough]

@@robsterling9903 Senna crashed into Prost so Senna won the Championship… you trying to rewrite history?

[@javiergutierrez1031]

I love me some Eddie Jordan

[@speedster2464]

Lando is a whinging child, he has spent too much time watching that other English F1 world champion whinge! It’s racing Lando get on with it and stop the crying!

[@degeautd40]

Johnny herbert a Steward clearly has issues With max.

[@PeterPost-w8m]

True. He profoundly hates Max and Alonso. It’s just unbelievable that he can be a steward.

[@degeautd40]

But he was teammate of Michael so probably has that back of mind

[@someoneunseen5168]

​@@degeautd40yeah before being team mate to michael, he thought he could be a world champion. Michael CRUSHED him. Quali 16-1. Races were 14-3 i believe. (Schu had 3 dnfs)

[@jenniferdoldersum559]

It is clear that the commentators and analysts of SKY SPORTS, together with Andrea Stella and Zack Brown, are responsible for this, then I also think that something is happening to Max Verstappen because of you British people, then YOU WANT THERE!!! Also the responsibility for Damon Hill, David Croft and Ted Kravitz, keep going, but not too far because there is a limit and that is the limit point of no return and you are pretty close to that

[@ariebroek2404]

You both are, with Peter Windsor, by far the best people to be informed by about F1

[@peterhaslund]

Max was always driving like a man obsessed, from the moment he entered the sport he was a wrecking ball. So were Schumi, Ayrton, Alonso, and Vettel. The spectacle of sports that is F1 does not need more deaths and car wrecks. Get it right.

[@SaDTV]

With endless asphalt run offs, we've forgotten what racing is. It was a racing incident. We keep re-adding gravel/grass, this discussion ends.

[@Ryzard]

I used to play F1 2002 on the GameCube, experienced the grass myself at places like the glen. All the comments about how drivers were going past track limits, for YEARS, had me saying "ADD GRASS!!" Glad they finally did.

[@stuartsmith5308]

Alonso has now overtaken Schumacher as the dirtiest driver in Formula One history. I don't see Max in the top 5 dirtiest drivers of all time - Yet.

[@mattred1200]

Its racing! Unfortunately the pansies of today cant fight their corner! Rubbing is racing

[@taykitrleevitt4314]

'Rubbing is Racing'?... what is the prize for coming first?😂😂

[@mfrid1989]

The truth is Hamilton and Rosberg carryed f1 and max has carryed the batton onwards as many have done before. Hopefully now it will be Orlando and mclanren

[@AmericasChoice]

True. Thankfully we have Max, the rest are vanilla.

[@rsjamie9423]

Eddie says people don't go from last on the grid to first. Brawn GP would disagree 🙋🏼‍♀️

[@quigglyz]

WOW ONE WHOLE EXAMPLE!!!!!!!

[@rsjamie9423]

@@quigglyz you don't need anymore....

[@GrahamTomlinson]

Brawn gp, 1 season,won championship. Amazing.

[@someoneunseen5168]

Honda werent last in 08? They finished 9th out of 11 teams.

[@AmericasChoice]

I just have to laugh a bit at today's F1. Take a look at Alan Jones in his WDC year. "Try and pass me you MFer". ha ha

[@fifteens6337]

The rules on moving under braking aren't clear at all. You can't move "erratically". So it's again at the discretion of the stewards. One will rule different than another.

[@Anitadump232]

Max had to limp back with 3 wheels for half a lap,10 seconds penalty and pit for new tyres and still beats checo by 10 seconds 😂 but its the car apparently 😅

[@exeuropean]

Interestingly enough Lando said that he reacted very emotionally and said things he should not have said. He aslo said it was a very very minor incident and very unfortunately. Of cours ethe Brits blew it all out of proportion as did Andrea Stella. We all remember waht Hammy did to Max in Silverstone in 2021 where he almost killed Max ( he would have been dead if no Halo) and he won and was loudly celebrating while Max was in the hospital. In that case 10 seconds was grossly unfair, he should have been disqualified

[@robainscough]

Fanboy ... Hamilton was on the inside and had the corner, Vercrappen does what he always does, if I can't win I will take out the competition ... Monza when he drove on top of Hamilton? How you forget all the BS drama Vercrappen has created ... a truly talented driver wouldn't be generating this kinda of drama. Max turned into Lando, not once, but twice ... it was I'm going to take you out rather than lose ... in the end Vercrappen lost.

[@sportysp]

Funny part, that incident was much more severe. However it was much less debate from the pundits

[@Don-Royall]

This is absolute lies, I remembered vividly how the incident was overblown and everybody calling Lewiz murderer even though it was obvious. The nonsense talk of 50G, what a joke.

[@exeuropean]

@@robainscough Thats why Hammy was found guilty? I am no fanboy of anyone but you clearly are. Like all the brits and 99% of british media you have a bias against all non british drivers. Even Lando agreed that it was a racing incident and way overblown

[@robainscough]

@@exeuropean Lando back pedaled from his first comments about the incident which were accurate ...why do you think that is ... nothing changed. Doesn't really matter Vercrappen got a penalty albeit a meaningless penalty. This has nothing to do with British drivers, I'm a US citizen. It has everything to do with talent and racing of which Vercrappen clearly demonstrated he doesn't have. If everyone drove like Vercrappen there would be no race, just a demolition derby ... Vercrappen is a boy in a sandbox that want's it all to himself because he thinks he's the best. When it turns out he's not the best, he has hissy fit and goes on a crash rampage ... that's a talents turd.

[@alidalgleish3901]

best f1 podcast by far.....

[@Wolffview]

Thanks Eddy, all racers agree with you.

[@jaymirjanga2358]

And then Lewis Hamilton won at Silverstone 🐐

[@toolavish]

This is the unpopular opinion others are unwilling to say. Its a racing incident. Max was up front. The guy behind needs to do what it takes to pass.

[@PaulHigham-p5q]

A thoroughly entertaining and enjoyable episode from start to finish. Thank you so much Gents. 👏🏻👏🏻

[@schabur365]

Even Lando has now said Max didn’t do anything wrong nor needed to apologise. The sensationalism is stupid

[@frdml01]

When you look at Ayrton Senna's races, he was an animal on track as well, full of tricks. A number of times he went too far too. You don't become world champion by being a nice gentleman on track.

[@AmericasChoice]

Only two. Fangio and Clark. All the rest were bastards.

[@richardzlobinski8962]

@@AmericasChoice i would add Mika Häkkinen to

[@kidShibuya]

It makes for super boring racing when the driver in front is just allowed to weave all over the track to defend making it literally impossible to pass.

[@marksibley4546]

100%

[@Stantube1000]

I like first, watch after! Great job gents!

[@realitycheck908]

Lando will be a WDC prob someday but dive bombing Max 2 times and clipping him on the 3rd is not the way

[@robainscough]

Suggest you get glasses ... Vercrappen got the penalty not Lando.

[@degeautd40]

​@@robainscoughracing incident grow up

[@degeautd40]

Conspiracy theory crowd 🥱🥱

[@robainscough]

@@degeautd40 Penalty, fact up

[@angel_one1259]

In short, what DC and EJ is saying that F1 has gone soft. Max can race in the era of Hunt, Senna or Schumi and can go toe to toe with them and not cry, Lando and Russel against those guys will cry and will need counseling.

[@hmika215]

One of the racing Stuart's was Jhonny Herbert and he wanted actually a harder punishment for Max but they had only 10second aviable! 🤯

[@miker7920]

Verstappen is just way better than anyone else on the grid, Lando is very quick, but he is lacking experience and racecraft, still too much a kid inside to control the emotions. He will definitely improve throughout this year and next year there will definitely be a close battle.

[@mustvid]

Britt’s make up the vast majority of the F1 employees and track stewards. The bias is embarrassing for the sport. Glad to hear these two Britt’s can be objective. Love the Britt’s but the F1 media has vilified Max unnecessarily because he’s dominating the British sport. It’s not a British sport any longer it’s a global sport with a global audience. It’s not golf! It’s open wheel racing. Every driver defends aggressively. Every driver will shoot a gap if give. The fact that a track steward is is British and a GP driver leveled the penalty smacks of bias.

[@Redlingstein]

Hear hear

[@FindingMeaning]

So happy I just found this channel, I think after this weekend there will easily be 50k new subs. Keep up the great work guys!

[@FindingMeaning]

and yes get Mika, JB, Seb and Newy on!!!

[@fintonmainz7845]

Perhaps they should fit railway tracks to the circuits and have the stewards move the points to allow overtaking? This would stop all the trouble with these unruly racing drivers.

[@taykitrleevitt4314]

Max's off-road overtaking that went unpunished has set up unfortunate repercussions.

[@robainscough]

Weaving around blocking was banned a long long long time ago from just about all racing, not just F1. Vercrappen doesn't seem to understand that rather basic rule and instead of using talent to win, he resorts to crashing. Vercrappen should be banned ... his 10 second penalty was meaningless.

[@pandabear2cute4u]

EJ said it was front to rear wheels? Wasn't it rear to rear wheels?

[@johntimmer9353]

I'm a fan for Max (sorry I'm Dutch) but for the sake of F1 I hope Lando challenge him every race.

[@robainscough]

I hope Lando takes Vercrappen out every race ... best way to ensure we have a different championship winner rather than RB who have the best car and a baby for driver.

[@Haarlemmer81]

​​@@robainscough toxic fans like you are the reason for online hate. You know nothing about F1. Go watch Monaco every year so you can see formations lap. You will not be missed go cry in a corner.

[@pimjcb9964]

​@@robainscoughNot going to happen. Norris ain't that good. Silverstone will be ending with the dutch national anthem

[@outlawf1272]

🤡​@@robainscough

[@ThmsDouglas]

@@robainscough WTF?! First off RB do not have the best car you must not watch races and you're sitting here advocating crashing into Max on purpose!? You're a real sicko and calling Max a baby when the crying was coming from the other car lol another moronic comment from a Max RB hater which normally means you're a Merc/LH fan hmmmmmm.

[@Andash75]

Eddie and Flavio in the 90’s right hahaha love ya Eddie you legend. 🤣🤔🤐🥰

[@justme7446]

Lando still needs to mature in fighting for the lead. And after the incident just get on with it and not moan and being childish about it. Max is like Senna and Schumi, rough and agressive that's how you win.

[@SaabJitsu]

Agreed. Lando still slips into sim racer mode in the real car. The stuff he was trying is very sim lobby like. Unfortunately, think Lando is gonna be a DC, Riccardo, Bottas..he'll win alot of races,lots of podiums, but the WDC will be just out of reach

[@justme7446]

@@SaabJitsu I think Lando has got the natural talent but not (yet) the like "extra" that you need to be at the very top. But also if McLaren got the best car next year, he might as well be WC so... Although if Oscar gains more experience, like saving his tyres and stuff, he can be up there. We see already in quali he is on Lando his level just on pure speed.

[@SaabJitsu]

​@@justme7446Agreed, that last 1% that can't be taught. You either have it or you don't like a musician or actor. Make no mistake, Lando is VERY good just not sure if he has that 1%. His body language and eyes are very telling in the post race interviews, especially Monaco last year when Oscar won the sprint, he knew he had an inner team battle coming his way the next few years and the methodical way Oscar approaches driving it may be sooner than later.

[@Andash75]

I’d have Carlos not Ocon I’d pick Hadjar or Bortoletto over Ocon👀🧐🤔🤫🤐

[@marcpaola1371]

I'd also pick Hadjar and Bortoletto over Bearman as well.

[@Andash75]

@@marcpaola1371 statement man 👍🏼 Ollie was class in Jeddah hardest track on calendar 👀🧐🤔 let’s hope they all get in 6 gotta go. My opinion. Yours how many go 👀🧐🤔

[@marcpaola1371]

@Andash75 perez needs to, Ricciardo, magnuseen, and maybe controversial to others but not to me, the biggest one is Hamilton needs to go also. He is finished, just filling that 2nd merc seat, everybody was shit canning Vettle in his later years and also Ricciardo this year but since 2022 really, Hamilton has been average at best. That's 3 seats that could be filled. Well 4 because on Bearmans results he shouldn't get a seat either

[@ecossearthur]

Its called Racing for a reason! End of story....... Opnions of why the Lando Track Limits was not called during the actual Race!

[@shu6037]

and they say british have bias 😂 look at this ahhahahahaah

[@ThmsDouglas]

Oh because they have a different opinion that the stupid British media all of a sudden they're bias!? 😂😂 that makes no sense whatsoever these are two guys not the whole damn British media!

[@hunter_t18]

The only problem I have with everyone jumping on max is that yeah by the letter of the law he moved twice and should be penalized, fair enough. However I see all the drivers doing that exact same thing. Defending and then widening the corner almost like a dance with the driver on the outside. Look at silverstone 21 before the contact. Lewis goes to the inside and then what? Both simultaneously open the corner back up together. I could give other examples of other drivers as well so I just don’t see how what he did was different other than lando didn’t dance with him.

[@connor7162]

You had to go back 3 years to find an example to compare to max. There’s your problem. And Lewis got a penalty for silverstone so that example doesn’t even make sense 😂

[@robainscough]

Blocking was banned from racing decades ago, this isn't "new" ... and Vercrappen moved into and caused a collision hence the penalty. A driver with real talent and not the "Best car" wouldn't have resorted to such immature driving.

[@hunter_t18]

I said that was merely one example and Hamilton got a penalty for pushing max wide at the apex not moving to widen the corner. Also who exactly drove into who? Landos front wheel hit maxs rear. Go watch the drivers press conference today and see how many of them said yeah that wasn’t bad at all compared to others I’ve seen that go unpunished but sure go on

[@connor7162]

@@hunter_t18 go and see a shrink 😂

[@thegridgab]

The best F1 podcast out there!

[@Dutchindovinare]

George did not deserve the win. He celebrated as if he fought the fight. Typical British idiocracy

[@garethmcguire632]

To win you have to first be in the right place even if he did get “lucky”…. You make your own luck and did deserve to win.

[@ThmsDouglas]

Oh come on who in their right mind wouldn't have celebrated that win?! I'm a Max fan but come on

[@schabur365]

Hope,you feel better soon Eddie! Best wishes from a fellow Capetonian. 😊

[@mgqfashion]

Poor little Norris 😢

[@AmericasChoice]

He will never be Champion. Not man enough.

[@Goodnewsglobal]

Glad your on the mend EJ.. Irish hero. 😊

[@SaabJitsu]

Senna, Schumacher, Prost. This has been what happens on the pointy end for decades. Welcome to the front row Lando who is the 2nd best driver at McLaren. Watch his eyes and body language, he knows he is. Lewis has been done since Mercedes had to stop outspending the field, exposing his averageness, which is still good for 3 championships. Another great show boys!

[@deanagar4062]

David Coulthard "You've got to follow the rules." Under the rules, Lando had every right to expect a car width to be left, as there was a car width when Max began braking, so he went into that gap. Max didn't follow the rules. He moved left under braking, leaving less than a car width, causing contact, so he got a penalty. End of story.

[@MrRobin61]

I liked the comment of Peter Windsor ..... he looked at all the details and from his ( and mine ! ) Norris needs to say sorry of his poor and uncontrolled driving

[@billB101]

🤣

[@MrRobin61]

@@billB101 Thanks for agreeing with me

[@billB101]

​@@MrRobin61Dream on.

[@waltermun]

Peter was spot on. Max is the definition of greatness. He is superb, a king, a Sungod. Flawless in all his moves with perfect positioning. Gentle for his tires but ruthless for the competition. No one can touch him. All should bow deep for his excellence. 😗

[@MrRobin61]

@@billB101 You don't have the eye for detail ..... if you did you would have known to give a better answer

[@Andash75]

Flavio will give f1 a shake 🤯💥👀🤫

[@cf5914]

Max slightly squeezed Lando but left a generous cars width. Lando then proceeded to turn into Max not once but twice. I don't understand how this isn't completely obvious. This was after two prior dive bombs.

[@sz5876]

🇬🇧 Blindness

[@limitedmark]

I do really like the channel with your contrasting personas. thanks guys 😎

[@wimfranken384]

You're absolutely right: Max did nothing wrong, except from not beeing a British racer it seems...🤮

[@ppmoscadebar]

Ha David!. So many memories from my childhood watching F1 have you as protagonist. So fucking amazing that you became in this awesome communicator that you are, a pleasure to listen. Cheers from Argentina.

[@CaptainSteve777]

Love both of your takes on the "incident." Respect to Lando. Neither he nor Max has much experience racing for the lead in equal machinery. They both need to learn the right risk-reward balance and they will.

[@PAULSWorld131]

This is a very wise statement

[@51bikerboy]

This is just bloody nonsense!

[@KaddourAbdelmajid]

🤔

[@AadZwaan]

Max had at least a entire season racing in equal potential machinerie.. are you ok?