In today's video we build a much-needed angle plate for the K&T mill.
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@aaronfritz72342 ай бұрын
At least I’m not the only one who learns by failure. Beautiful angle plate! I have never regretted buying or making a tool.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@RalfyCustoms2 ай бұрын
Absolutely 👍
@jacqueso84242 ай бұрын
Good job, good video this is where creativity combined with experience is priceless. Once a while a mistake comes up and one learn from it. I would love to have a slightly smaller version of that article which i would prefer to make myself🙂
@gaiustacitus424226 күн бұрын
Oh, yeah. We learn very little if all we ever experience is success. It is those precious setbacks which allow us to develop new knowledge and skills.
@bdove793916 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the great video. Another commenter mentioned vibration stress relief. I had not heard of that before. It sounds interesting. I really enjoy your channel.
@haroldchoate74972 ай бұрын
Thank you for another interesting project. Your customers are fortunate to have a source like you. Your competence and considerate attitude are not a common thing. I agree that angle plate is impressive and will be a real asset for future jobs.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@kelleycoon2070Ай бұрын
I work for two, different places that had that band saw. Very good machine.
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
They are great machines
@jeanphilippepoirier61302 ай бұрын
Stress relieve after welding, before machining would be the cherry on the sundae. For a small shop, you should look into vibration stress relieving. Awesome fixture!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah, that’s a great point. I have an oven now that I didn’t at the time. I think it would fit in the oven but yeah, that is the best way to do it.
@robguyatt96022 ай бұрын
My first thoughts too. I've seen the results of welded structures going straight to machining and it is not pretty. Glad he recognised this issue.
@branchandfoundry5602 ай бұрын
I've also made tooling for a job, yet didn't end up making money on the job. But the tooling makes me money going forward. I consider that a win. Example: my 50" wide 40 ton press brake, which I never would have made otherwise, but now use regularly. Sometimes the road is straight, sometimes curvy--take it as it comes🙂✌
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Great advice
@fredhoyt6900Ай бұрын
Kyle, You learned a valuable lesson. When you remove material from one side of a plate it will pull. The only way to keep it flat is to machine both sides evenly and sometimes repeatedly. With what you had, good luck on doing that.
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@fredhoyt6900Ай бұрын
I ran a K&T like that when I started out. I really appreciate the finish you got with your fly cutter. 😅
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
You and me both!
@labenezra57292 ай бұрын
As a welder, you should not weld downhill if you want a nice penetration. Gravity pulls your puddle in front of the arc and inhibits a good penetration. Horizontal welding or flat is the best for a nice looking weld. Nice video!
@bobweiram63212 ай бұрын
But those welds are super smooth as the puddle flows downward.
@MikeBaxterABC2 ай бұрын
@@bobweiram6321 And less penetrating welds, means less warping too! :)
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks yeah I get that. I’m sure I could’ve welded this about a third as much as I did and been completely fine in terms of strength. I am most comfortable in the downhill position, but I still have a lot to learn when it comes to Welding.
@labenezra57292 ай бұрын
@@bobweiram6321 When penetration is not crucial downhill welds are the nicest looking indeed. And don't get me wrong, downhill welds are still very strong welds. You would just never use this technique for something that needs to be absolutely strong. An active part on a piece of machinery for instance.
@labenezra57292 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Your angle plate is absolutely gorgeous man.
@robertmceuen36302 ай бұрын
Your only mistake was taking the job. Warpage was built into the part and I don't think anyone could repair that. You angle plate turned out excellent. You'll use it alot. Thanks.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
You're right
@joselrodriguez5999Ай бұрын
Not all loss. Got me to subscribe! Great machining with those old irreplaceable American machines. No will start watching your older posts!
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@theodoreshasta78462 ай бұрын
It may be a failure, but you get A+ for a robust approach and excellent execution. Nice work!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@downundermike88892 ай бұрын
Awesome angle plate. Well done
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@ReubenUrrea2 ай бұрын
You know what that angle plate needs is a brass or copper plate with the maker, and when it was made.. That's cool that you were able to make that tool.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah you are right. One day when I become a little more wealthy I’ll pay Von industrial to create a bunch of tags for me so each thing that I make, I can put on it, but we’re not there yet.
@stewkingjr2 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair What about machining yourself a stamp and using that in a press to make your tags?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
@@stewkingjr yeah good idea
@daveb73972 ай бұрын
Kinda like a blacksmiths touch mark.
@MachiningiscoolАй бұрын
I'd recommend checking out anchor lube for cutting fluid. I started using it recently and it's great. The nice part about it is it stays right where you out it. Doesn't run away. I'm switching over from smart cut
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
Yes it’s good I have some I should use it more
@gexas382 ай бұрын
...want to reiterate again how i love to hear the speeds and feeds...would love a post on how u got your radial arm drill...now u have me wanting one.....lol
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah I love the radial drill they are great. I am trying to balance talking with machining I am getting where I want to be but still figuring it out.
@gexas382 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair watched the rest of the video and lovived all the horizontal boring and drilling...k and t's rule
@homemadetools2 ай бұрын
A good vid and lesson as usual. We shared this video on our homemade tool forum last week 😎
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@Jimbo-t2hАй бұрын
Nice work. Enjoyable to watch.
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
Thank you very much!
@enriquemendoza86502 ай бұрын
Failures are lessons learned. Absolutely a great angle plate.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Very true!
@RRINTHESHOP2 ай бұрын
Well done Kyle. Looks great.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks Randy
@davidtyndall88802 ай бұрын
I remember when Curtis tried to machine a huge shaft from a piece of round stock, supplied by his customer, and the more he took off of it the more it warped. I think you did a great job.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks I appreciate it
@themetalfusionologistАй бұрын
You were definitely set up on this one. Always someone out there trying to get something for free. The shops that previously turning the work down probably had met the same fate with that company
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
Yes indeed
@ramtinnazeryan2 ай бұрын
That mill is trimmed perfectly. look at those tool marks!!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
There is no tram on it it’s fixed
@ramtinnazeryan2 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Yes I know. I was pointing out the perpendicularity of the spindle to the feed of the x axis. maybe I expressed it incorrectly.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
@@ramtinnazeryan no worries
@troy111442 ай бұрын
Hey Kyle, just found your channel, enjoyed the video & subscribed. Wonder if those parts could be run thru a time saver a few times. Basically taking a very small grind off of them each pass. Maybe a local cabinet shop would have one to test it out.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard. Those a great machines but my woodworking friends who have them would probably be against sending metal through their wood sander, but I like where your heads at. Seems like it could work
@RalfyCustoms2 ай бұрын
Cheers buddy, thoroughly enjoyed this one, thank you for sharing
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@roysnider34562 ай бұрын
That is one big boss of angle plate’s, I’m jealous even though I have no use for it whatsoever, I guess I could use it as a paper weight lol. Well done.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
lol true. Thanks
@DudleyToolwright2 ай бұрын
A bit of an observation: If you are always doing projects that are out of the norm, then they are the norm, don't you think? Nice content and explanations.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah true
@jorgemercatali93192 ай бұрын
Beautifull mate !
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@MikeBaxterABC2 ай бұрын
25:32 .. The finish almost looks Blanchard ground!! .. very nice!!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Indeed thanks turned out goid
@arkansas13362 ай бұрын
Great machining. I subscribed!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thank you
@StormbringerMM2 ай бұрын
Hell yeah Kyle! You’re kicking ass!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Really appreciate it man
@hilltopmachineworks21312 ай бұрын
You are making me want a radial arm drill now. 😀
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
It’s a need. You need one. They are cheap too
@hilltopmachineworks21312 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair They never pop up for sale around here. You can get me one for Christmas if you like. 😄
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
@@hilltopmachineworks2131 lol if I buy it you have to go get it lol
@hilltopmachineworks21312 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Maybe Santa would deliver it. 🎅
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
@@hilltopmachineworks2131 lol
@mxcollin952 ай бұрын
Nice work! 👍
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@stephenmeeks6842 ай бұрын
Beautiful.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@ypaulbrown2 ай бұрын
always wonderful Kyle.......best wishes from Orlando , Paul
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
I’m ever down there I’ll have to stop by so I can learn some techniques from you. I’ve spent a lot of time welding over the past 20 years but most of it has been pretty homogeneous. Most of the time it’s been less than 200 amp with the 7525 gas mixture on short circuit MiG. I’ve done some stick with very little success and more success with TIG, but still a load more to learn on TIG.
@davidbaker3082 ай бұрын
Beautiful angle plate. It’s definitely a monster.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
It really is!
@TangentJim2 ай бұрын
Kyle - Nice Angle Plate . I have a suggestion - after welding the Angle Plate it needed to be stress relieved or it will not be stable. The aluminum you attempted to machine flat could have also be stress relieved - they call it Solution Heat Treating . How do I know ? I've screwed up enough parts to learn . -- Jim
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@y0taman2 ай бұрын
Great looking angle plate, thanks for sharing.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@davidstowell34542 ай бұрын
Kyle: I think you may have been set up. I don't know what the aluminum was but it is often extruded. This builds stress in the skin of the aluminum which when machined goes wonky. It would be different if the aluminum came ground flat. Probably checking into the condition of the aluminum before machining will save you a lot of grief. Please don't be afraid to charge for your time on an iffy job. The laborer is worthy of his hire. You are a great guy!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks I appreciate it
@rascalwind2 ай бұрын
Real men of genius. I never thought of using the bandsaw like that.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
lol yeah
@jobkneppers2 ай бұрын
Kyle, nice work! I understand your love for the horizontal mill. It's a beast and with big angle plates is becomes quite universal. Thank you for sharing all your hard and satisfying work! Best from the Netherlands! Job Unfortunately the intended job didn't work out as expected. I had several of these too. As long you can keep the middle line between earning and loosing money your good. The upside is that you learn a lot in the meantime and are preparing for the next job to accept or to wisely reject (and own a nice angle plate for the next job on the K&T). Sandwiched constructions are balanced with the two outer layers which provide the desired stiffness for the overall part. As you change one a new equilibrium will set as you experienced in warping. The only way to get it more or less right (depending on the desired tolerances) is to machine both sides a little at a time or just skim the surface and reverse. The magnets seem to do their job though. Bur that's probably not the final mounting of the part I guess....
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips!
@MyLilMule2 ай бұрын
Need to hand scrape that thing so it's REALLY flat! 😉 Nice work, Kyle. Too bad about the job, but lessons learned on all fronts. But you have one kickass angle plate out of the deal!
@MikeBaxterABC2 ай бұрын
That would LOOK awesome too!! :)
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yes indeed thanks Greg
@ypaulbrown2 ай бұрын
sad to hear of the warping issue......but useful information....... how hard was it to remove the sandwiched plate from the angle plate with all those magnets ? cheers, Paul
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Hard lol. I knew if I stuck it on there raw I may never get it off so I experimented by putting sheets of paper under it and got it to a place where I was hard to remove, but I knew it would stay.
@EmptyPocketProductions2 ай бұрын
One begs the question of why downhand. To pump less heat into it and aid in warping ? Why not lay it flat and push / pull. In the end, it works. But food for thought on Struggle vs. Working smarter. Great video and project.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@DanelonNicolas2 ай бұрын
love your job man!! that angle looks awesome 😎👍🏼
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@argee552 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Many thanks!
@MrAndrew990Ай бұрын
just a heads up. fast forward your grinding and compress the noise by 50% you will get beter retention.
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
👍
@EvilmaleDrowАй бұрын
When you weld something like this and you can flip it with the crane. Always flip it over and weld it in the flat position it will make your life a lot easier.
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
Thank you
@jimhunt52592 ай бұрын
absolutely awsome! Nice work. thanks for shareing
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@mvpmachine2 ай бұрын
Kyle nice work on the angle plate! That is awesome and will be useful till long after we are all gone. I can't believe there are some negative comments and wonder what reality these people live in, but I have to deal with that too. Great job!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah people are crazy. I am using your cutter. If this isn’t good results i don’t know what is. At least on old machinery!
@mvpmachine2 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair I have had to include an indicator pass in most of my videos to show the "experts" what you get. And the welding comments you got I am like really? I am not a welder but that looks like an angle plate I would not mind having, and a better weld job than I could dream of doing. Regarding normalizing we do a ton of work for GM and their version of normalizing is to drop the weldments on the floor before cutting and I am serious, we never have tolerance issues.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
@@mvpmachine yeah crazy. I have not had issues with stuff moving myself. and even still I can reaching the face if its that critical
@ypaulbrown2 ай бұрын
Kyle, I noticed on the 2 center gussets, you mitered the corners at the 90 degree ..... but not the outside gussets..... You create a stress riser by welding those outside gussets all the way...... much better to miter/notch the 90 degree corner and not weld completely..... Just saying....Paul
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
That’s good to know. I actually didn’t notch the center ones. I just ran out of material so those were made of a less wide plate so they don’t reach all the way to the center.
@branchandfoundry5602 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair #HappyAccident 👍
@dwjr51292 ай бұрын
Have you inquired with the utility company about the cost to upgrade your existing service to 3 phase?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
It’s 3 phase
@kentuckytrapper7802 ай бұрын
Anytime I've ever delt with magnets and plates it's a headache, they worp regardless of setup, great video, keep'um coming.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah I know that now moving forward
@werewolf000002 ай бұрын
First time here, not last! Nice work buddy! God bless
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks for coming
@werewolf000002 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Thanks for the welcoming man!! My father is heavy duty machinist and welder (working on trucks, dozers, excavators etc.) I am in to coach building (sheet metal forming/building cars and 3D modeling for body kits) I know how hard is that work you do, I have very huge respect for you! God bless!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
@@werewolf00000 thanks I appreciate it!
@mattholden52 ай бұрын
@Vanover Customs I'm surprised I can't see any entry/exit swirl marks on the angle plate. What kind of insert did you use on that flycutter?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Honestly, nothing special it was some cheap triangular Insert they sent with the suburban to Fly Cutter. I think I honned it up a little bit on a stone, but I’m not sure that made too much of a difference to be honest. Really the rigidity and the lack of movement in the set up is what makes that big of a difference. I use the same set up in the Bridgeport with a much smaller bar and I still get good results but the best results come from the KT with pretty much no other changes in tooling.
@johnlee82312 ай бұрын
Shame that didn't work. I too would of thought that the magnets in that job would of held it flat and parallel enough for what it was intended. Did it call out for flatness while not installed?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
I think it did I don’t remember I want to say .005 and it was .030 out if I remember correctly. Bad design really
@robertmceuen36302 ай бұрын
Was your weld process dual shield or MIG?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
MiG dual shield
@MikeBaxterABC2 ай бұрын
27:16 ... I guess it's pretty obvious, but the design is the problem not the machining, this is typical of engineers on paper it looks good, but IRL it'll never come out flat. They need to be at least 1/4" with the aluminum AND steel, and have that phenolic resin layer (or whatever it is), where the magnets are magnets embedded, to be an inch thick, with rows of 1/8" or 1/4" think aluminum flat bar ribbing in between the magnet rows, the resin could hold it all together lie it is now. BUT??? Who knows what the heck it's for!! .. Maybe the current thickness is the maximum it can be to work?? Props for trying Kyle!!, at least they know now it needs to be redesigned, and it's not a manufacturing problem :) On the bright side? That angle plate is SUPER!! .. Well worth it just to prompt you to make that up!! ... It will be profitable on the next job!! :)
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yes thanks Mike
@lukafilm2 ай бұрын
Why do you always say 'we' and you're the only one in the videos? 😂 Love the vids ❤
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Habit it’s only me
@samrodian9192 ай бұрын
Virtually every KZbinr machinist does exactly the same😂
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
@@samrodian919 lol
@Z-Ack2 ай бұрын
You related to a gregory vanover? Older fella, served overseas..worked with him. Hell of a dude.. somebody youd be proud to be related to.. when hes got his head on straight…. Loud noises didnt play too nice with him after his third term..
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Hmm I don’t think so.
@ypaulbrown2 ай бұрын
good old Sunrise Red, Rust-Oleum, I painted my Ellis 1800 saw that color.......good choice
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Such a nice red
@BeekersSqueakersАй бұрын
I can't believe that face mill spits the chips toward the operator.
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
Yeah
@ypaulbrown2 ай бұрын
that is not an Angle Plate, it is a Piece of Art which belongs in an Art Gallery.....
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks Paul
@user-fy2tm2jg6c2 ай бұрын
It’s not a failure if you learned from it. It’s a failure if you didn’t learn anything.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Exactly
@carlbyington51852 ай бұрын
I see a drilled hole next to the crossover, You must have done some "Testing balancing" ?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yep
@rafasobek97662 ай бұрын
Wow, great work.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@benpeterson98352 ай бұрын
Nice plate. But for spray transfer you will need a a gas with less co2 percentage and keep it flat .
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
👍
@ThePottingShedWorkshop2 ай бұрын
Nice job on the angle plate. Shame the job you made it for went sh!t shaped, but having tried to surface grind some gibs really flat, I'm not surprised. In my case, the mag chuck sucked it down, and just like your job, it sprang back when the chuck was released. I guess the job could be done, but it sounds expensive!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah indeed
@kailuagarage2 ай бұрын
I have heard that vertical up welding is stronger for thicker material.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Maybe
@sjbechet11112 ай бұрын
What's with the liquid all over the material? That weld will be like cinder toffee inside. Unless you do stress relief heat treatment before machining it won't stay square.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Anti spatter
@RutherfordRyan12 ай бұрын
Well done Kyle You have every right to be proud of it. Maybe some aligned through-holes in gussets for weight saving and stress relief and fixturing… ?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah maybe
@PeteBrubaker2 ай бұрын
Did you check it for square on a surface plate?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
No I checked it for square off the mill
@abdullabud91332 ай бұрын
🎉What about the deformation and stress due to welding, which will inevitably appear after the cutting operations are completed, after six months or more of aging?🎉
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
It’s been 9 months no movement
@diode302 ай бұрын
You were in globular transfer mode. You need c10 or 98% argon/ 2% o2 gas if you want to achieve spray transfer. Great work though.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks, yeah I seen that and Pauls comments. I was using the C10 initially but I was actually getting some better results with the 7525 but I think I wasn’t running fast or hot enough to be in the actual spray transfer.
@bernardwill71962 ай бұрын
That building were your Workshop is, what was in before ? So I may ask.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
It’s kind of a long story, but a short story is they did job training for different trades before I came here and kind of sat vacant for the last 10 years
@bernardwill71962 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Thanks a lot for that answer. I hope your business prosper. I will explain why i have ask. I looked up in Google Earth at your adress , not sure if it has a result ( W 3501 Fillmore ). But i see a bulding marked with Vanover customs . And say whooha such a big building , looks from inner not so big .
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
@@bernardwill7196 appreciate it
@ildefonsogiron40342 ай бұрын
Not into machining but just curious. What is an angle plate for? Thanks.
@janvanruth34852 ай бұрын
to hold a workpiece perpendicular to the bed of the machine
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Holding work at an angle
@ildefonsogiron40342 ай бұрын
@@VanoverMachineAndRepair Thanks!
@ildefonsogiron40342 ай бұрын
@@janvanruth3485 Thanks!
@jamesriordan34942 ай бұрын
Will you cold blue the angle plate or leave raw ?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Raw probably
@PIRPIROUNA2 ай бұрын
Nice
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@zoltannagy18132 ай бұрын
What a great result.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thank you
@gexas382 ай бұрын
love'n it
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@FireGodSpeed2 ай бұрын
So when you have something very thin and big and you grind/mill it on a magnet chuck (which this basically was..) you release the part and it springs back to the original warp again, you have to shim the plate, idk if its cupped or dished but self explanatory which way to shim. The biggest problem here is that you cannot machine the backside (i assume), the shimming takes the warp out but only on 1 side, which therefor is then flat and warp free but the other side still has the warp in it which you have to machine aswell after.
@MikeBaxterABC2 ай бұрын
I wish we knew exactly what it was for? .. My first thought was make it an inch thick. But maybe it won't work that big?? Whatever it's for :)
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah agreed. Since the part was magnetic it was like the chuck 🤣
@derekbryant61372 ай бұрын
I used to operate a CP 302 Miller welder and there was several at this particular company I found that the ones that had the 22 a wire feeder had that problem going horizontal but the ones with the 24a wire feeder excellent because it's a four-drive roll system and it has a better feed ability to it my personal opinion is the 22A Miller wire feeder is junk
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
I believe it 4 roller is def better no doubt
@jackpledger81182 ай бұрын
What is the fly cutter you are using?
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Suburban tool
@raulrubio28622 ай бұрын
I am convinced Just subscribed
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks welcome aboard
@harkbelial2 ай бұрын
Spiral taps are awesome💪💪💪💪
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yes they are!
@garyjonah222 ай бұрын
How much do you have to pay for that slab of steel over there? I'd like to see whether we're being cheated as usual here in the UK....
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Gosh idk maybe 200-300
@ÁREAJ272 ай бұрын
Olá amigo que maravilha este projeto!!!Estou pensando em fazer um com uma cantoneira,já que não tenho muitos recursos no momento!!! Lhe desejo saúde e cada vez mais sucesso!!!
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thank you
@liamobrien94512 ай бұрын
I'm sure you know this already but downhill mig is not optimal at all for penetration. Also you mentioned using 75/25 for spray transfer, which is all I've ever used as well, and to the best of my knowledge you cant really get an actual spray transfer going with it, you're basically stuck in globular. From all I've read you need a gas with higher argon percentage for true spray transfer
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Yeah true
@ypaulbrown2 ай бұрын
Kyle, with a fillet weld, you do not need to bevel for a 100% penetration, beveling allows the use of less weld material on a fillet,[faster weld] but no bevel fillet is allowable with AWS D1:1 specs..... normally a fillet of 3/4 the thickness of the material is what is required.... I hope this may help, Paul
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
OK, great thanks for the info Paul. I guess it just depends on what you’re using it for 99% of whatever I do it probably doesn’t matter but it’s always good to know Technical stuff because sometimes it does make a difference.
@DK-vx1zc2 ай бұрын
Great job!! Enjoyed the video, and learned. too bad about the customer parts.. poorly engineered, or mfg'd, or....
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@carlbyington51852 ай бұрын
Could not find the Lisli tap socket "Adjustable" bought one, but just came 1/2", Uhg.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
It came right up when I googled lisle tap socket
@KSMechanicalEngineering2 ай бұрын
Nice project😊
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@stephengibbs43722 ай бұрын
Because it was already warped what would of happened if you packed the warp onto the plate then faced the outside then flipped it over and faced the other side( besides losing more material of course )
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
It warped even more that previous during machining
@IsZomg2 ай бұрын
The customer should have been ok with the slightly warped part because it's obviously going to get stuck to some metal anyway, removing the warp? That's what the magnets are for right?
@JarheadCrayonEater2 ай бұрын
The magnets probably pull the part parallel with the machined surface. However it has memory and returns to the warped state after removal from the tooling.
@IsZomg2 ай бұрын
@@JarheadCrayonEater Yup so whatever the part is used for, it will work fine, just as when it's stuck to the fixture
@bobweiram63212 ай бұрын
What about good ole heat?
@IsZomg2 ай бұрын
@@bobweiram6321 I thought about that too but you'd have to remove the magnets first. They'll die in the process
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
You would think but what I think it was being used for was to hold a bunch of parts individually like with a space in between them or something. So I think in that case the parts that were attached to it would’ve been out of flat but I don’t really know for sure they didn’t give me all the details.
@CatNolara2 ай бұрын
It seems to me that just trying to get the workpiece off of the angle plate would warp it, the magnets must have an immense strength to them. For a job like that an entirely different type of angle plate would be necessary, I'm thinking of something made from aluminium with grooves for a vacuum clamping system. Or have an aluminium plate with pockets where you can drop chunks of steel in that the magnets can hold on to, but when trying to get it off you can just remove those chunks (maybe even with threads) and the plate would come loose. Anyway, those specialized angle plates would have a more limited usage afterwards, so you'll propably be glad to have this nice piece of work you made in this video now.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Indeed
@ypaulbrown2 ай бұрын
Kyle, at about 13:00 you mention Spray Transfer, normally you need at least an 80% argon mix to go to spray transfer.... you should hear a wooshing sound and no crackling [bacon frying] the arc will look like a hose shooting molten metal as it is not short circuiting... a 95-5 % ar-co2 or even a 95-5 % ar-o2 [which gives a hotter weld] is recommended..... but a 92-8 % ar-co2 will work and also allow you to short circuit with the same gas mix. you do not want to use a drag method with Axial Spray Transfer, as the puddle is way too fluid to control.....welding in the flat or horizontal position is a better way to control the puddle with a push method.....at least in my experience ..... you bead will look like it was laid down with a tube of toothpaste......... and you will be really moving fast, like 3 to 4 times a normal short circuit weld.... you were most likely in a globular transfer mode..... you should have no spatter at all with Axial Spray Transfer, and be running 28 to 30 volts, and about 200 to 300 ipm wire speed with .045 solid wire..... I hope this may help, best regards, Paul 'Paulie' Brown from weld . com
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Thanks I appreciate the help. I do have a lot to learn on spray transfer and that welder. I did a bunch of research on spray transfer for gases. Some people were saying what you mentioned (98/2) then other people were saying that you could run 100% CO2 and others were saying that 7525 works as well. I wanted to get the 98 two but I couldn’t source it at my gas supplier. I did purchase 100% CO2 and was working with that initially but was definitely getting a couple more worm tracks than I would like. If I remember correctly, it flowed a little better but was a little bit more likely to have porosity. I think I experimented with 100% CO2 and got better results the 7525 but I’m sure you’re right. I probably needed to run a lot hotter.
@ypaulbrown2 ай бұрын
2:45, nice set up to cut that miter.......
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
lol thanks.
@crone1500Ай бұрын
Using the magnets to hold down the part might of been the problem, if you want to achieve a flatness on warped part you may want to start at a free stage as possible, keeping heat away from the surface should be considered.
@VanoverMachineAndRepairАй бұрын
Yep agreed
@JBLewis2 ай бұрын
Hopefully the customer learned something from the experience, too. It sounds like their designer created something that looked good on paper, but but was next to impossible to successfully manufacture.
@VanoverMachineAndRepair2 ай бұрын
Agreed
@bone09442 ай бұрын
You should of welded in the horizontal position. If you weld in the vertical you should weld up from bottom to top. Downward runs look great but have poor penetration.